2010 Rock Hall Nominees Announced

[DonC]

And the nominees are....


LL Cool J
Red Hot Chili Peppers
KISS
ABBA
Genesis
The Stooges
Jimmy Cliff
The Hollies
Donna Summer
Darlene Love
The Chantels
Laura Nyro

Five of them will be inducted.

I put KISS and Genesis as locks. The Stooges as probable. Either Donna Summer or the Chantels, but not both. And one more, I don't know who. I, admittedly, don't know who some of these people/groups are.

LL Cool J is, in my opinion, the only "No Chance" on the list. If he makes it in before Iron Maiden, Judas Priest or Rush, to name a few hard rock/ heavy metal bands, I'll be pissed.

[howyadoin]

LL Cool J is, in my opinion, the only "No Chance" on the list. If he makes it in before Iron Maiden, Judas Priest or Rush, to name a few hard rock/ heavy metal bands, I'll be pissed.I see what you're getting at, but at the same time LL Cool J is a hundred times more rock 'n' roll than ABBA could ever be.

[John Asperger]

...You know , I post on music-oriented boards where most/the dominant people are older than I .
Many of them tend to bitch about the HoF very much , frequently concentrating on " ______ doesn't belong there " and especially tending to bitch about the presence of any rappers .
This shows...That I post at diverse places ?????????
Well anyway .
Oh , and I see the Stooges are up ( Did Iggy Pop get in as a solo ? Would this Stooges be both the classic and the James Williamson line-ups ??????? ) .
I recall reading that both they , and Gram Parsons , have kept being nominated but not getting in . Can you direct me to the HoF's official list , please ?
Oh , and one more thing...Did the Mamas and Papas get in before ????????? If not...they AIN'T gettin' in now:biggrin: :evilsmile: :mad: :tongue: !!!!!!!!!!!

[bert]

And the nominees are....


LL Cool J
Red Hot Chili Peppers
KISS
ABBA
Genesis
The Stooges
Jimmy Cliff
The Hollies
Donna Summer
Darlene Love
The Chantels
Laura Nyro

Five of them will be inducted.

I put KISS and Genesis as locks. The Stooges as probable. Either Donna Summer or the Chantels, but not both. And one more, I don't know who. I, admittedly, don't know who some of these people/groups are.

LL Cool J is, in my opinion, the only "No Chance" on the list. If he makes it in before Iron Maiden, Judas Priest or Rush, to name a few hard rock/ heavy metal bands, I'll be pissed.


Critics HATE KISS.

always have and always will. . . although I believe they belong in the hall of fame (just for the Merchandising and impact on popular culture), I don't think they'll get inducted.

heck, this is the first time they've even made the short list, and they've been eligible for years now.

my take,

Locks:

Genesis
ABBA
the Hollies

Likely:

LL Cool J
The Stooges
Darlene Love

not likely:
Donna Summer (pretty much credited for "inventing" disco, tho if ABBA is in, they may skip her)
KISS (Critics hate them, but I'd love to be pleasantly surprised)
the Chantels (not relevent enough)
Chilli Peppers (still producing music, that's getting better. They certainly don't deserve to be in for some of thier earlier output).
Jimmy Cliff (not "hip enough"
Laura Nyro (Definately "hip enough", but simply no room left this year. But if Darlene Love doesn't get in, Nyro has a shot).

[DonC]

I see what you're getting at, but at the same time LL Cool J is a hundred times more rock 'n' roll than ABBA could ever be.


It's not against rap, it's that most of LL Cool J's career has been in acting. Yeah, he had a couple of hit records in the beginning, but has he really done enough to be in the Hall of Fame?

[Deathstroke]

No Iron Maiden?

No Judas Priest?

Why do people continue to care about a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that hasn't a clue about rock and roll?

[Catman_3]

I'm still waiting for Alice Cooper, Grand Funk Railroad & Deep Purple to be nominated & inducted.


If KISS isn't inducted it will be one boring ass cerermony.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

No Monkees still ? Maybe when Wenner dies his hatred of them won't stop them from being voted in. Crock of shit every 60's band nearly is in ...except the Monkees. Fuck him.

[howyadoin]

Critics HATE KISS.

always have and always will. . ..Mostly, yeah. But Destroyer got a 4-star rating in Rolling Stone, and they said "Rock & Roll All Night" was "one of rock's indisputably great anthems".

It's not against rap, it's that most of LL Cool J's career has been in acting. Yeah, he had a couple of hit records in the beginning, but has he really done enough to be in the Hall of Fame?That's a fair point.

[John Asperger]

And the nominees are....


LL Cool J
Red Hot Chili Peppers
KISS
ABBA
Genesis
The Stooges
Jimmy Cliff
The Hollies
Donna Summer
Darlene Love
The Chantels
Laura Nyro

Five of them will be inducted.

I put KISS and Genesis as locks. The Stooges as probable. Either Donna Summer or the Chantels, but not both. And one more, I don't know who. I, admittedly, don't know who some of these people/groups are.

LL Cool J is, in my opinion, the only "No Chance" on the list. If he makes it in before Iron Maiden, Judas Priest or Rush, to name a few hard rock/ heavy metal bands, I'll be pissed.


...Who are you not familiar with ? I'll assume Laura Nyro and the Chantels , especially since they're on the bottom!:eek: , tho' , since you cite one...

[jesse_custer]

It's not against rap, it's that most of LL Cool J's career has been in acting. Yeah, he had a couple of hit records in the beginning, but has he really done enough to be in the Hall of Fame?

His earlier work is considered some of the best rap of all time.

I hope he makes it, personally.

[Aubergine~!]

As long as the Stooges get in, I don't care.

[Jonathan Bogart]

Ladies Love Cool James invented the hip-hop ballad, for which anyone in the record industry who's made any money in the past fifteen years should be kissing his toes. The Chantels are shoo-ins for helping to establish the girl-group genre (I don't care if you think rock & roll means only guitars, there are more baby-boom nostalgists voting than metal fans), and KISS will continue to be shut out, because that way Simmons can pretend to still be edgy.

ABBA and Donna Summer don't need rock & roll's validation; they've already got all of post-1980 pop.

[christoph68]

i hope that KISS get in just so ACE and PETER get a chance to let the people know that both of them are still out and about!
i like Kiss, but i LOVE the ORIGINAL KISS [nothing Kiss has done even comes close to them]!

[DonC]

Ladies Love Cool James invented the hip-hop ballad, for which anyone in the record industry who's made any money in the past fifteen years should be kissing his toes.


It should be noted that, if my math is correct, LL Cool J is in his first year of eligibility. First-ballot hall of famers are your Springsteens and you Elvises. LL may deserve to be in the Hall of Fame eventually, but not as a first-ballot inductee.

[christoph68]

It should be noted that, if my math is correct, LL Cool J is in his first year of eligibility. First-ballot hall of famers are your Springsteens and you Elvises. LL may deserve to be in the Hall of Fame eventually, but not as a first-ballot inductee.

i don't really pay that much attention to the rock hall unless it's somebody[s] that i think should be in there.
i have to ask have ice-t, prince, nwa, public enemy, snoop dog or tu pac been inducted yet or run dmc for that matter?
i would think that those i mentioned above should all be in there way before ll cool j.
though he is good the founding hip/hop, rap people should be inducted first in my opinion. then again most people don't realize that bob dylan was the first to rap on an album [subterrainean homesick blues].:cool:

[DonC]

Prince is in. The others may not be eligible. It has to have been 25 years since your first record was released.

[howyadoin]

Prince is in. The others may not be eligible. It has to have been 25 years since your first record was released.How'd the others even get nominated, then? Did the people making the nominations forget the rules?

[Ullar]

I hope The Stooges get in. Even though I dislike KISS they should get in. I knew who they were before I knew who Bob Dylan or The Ramones were. ABBA and LL Cool J should not be inducted, and if they do start inducting rappers then Public Enemy should be first on the list.

[DonC]

How'd the others even get nominated, then? Did the people making the nominations forget the rules?

With the exception of Run DMC, who are in, I don't think any of the people or bands christoph68 mentioned have been nominated.

[howyadoin]

With the exception of Run DMC, who are in, I don't think any of the people or bands christoph68 mentioned have been nominated.Ah, sorry. I didn't realize that comment was in response to his post.

[bert]

And the list is out.


The performer inductees are:
ABBA
GENESIS
JIMMY CLIFF
THE HOLLIES
THE STOOGES


let's see how I did:

Not bad. . I KNEW KISS wouldn't get in, which is total and complete bullshit.

but I called all three locks, and nailed one of the "likely".

the only one I missed was Jimmy Cliff.

I honestly think Darlene Love has just as much to be pissed about as KISS does.

yeah right. . "Rock and Roll" hall of fame.

feh!
Critics HATE KISS.

always have and always will. . . although I believe they belong in the hall of fame (just for the Merchandising and impact on popular culture), I don't think they'll get inducted.

heck, this is the first time they've even made the short list, and they've been eligible for years now.

my take,

Locks:

Genesis
ABBA
the Hollies

Likely:

LL Cool J
The Stooges
Darlene Love

not likely:
Donna Summer (pretty much credited for "inventing" disco, tho if ABBA is in, they may skip her)
KISS (Critics hate them, but I'd love to be pleasantly surprised)
the Chantels (not relevent enough)
Chilli Peppers (still producing music, that's getting better. They certainly don't deserve to be in for some of thier earlier output).
Jimmy Cliff (not "hip enough"
Laura Nyro (Definately "hip enough", but simply no room left this year. But if Darlene Love doesn't get in, Nyro has a shot).

[Slackjaws_ate_my_brain]

Jimmy Cliff is agruably one of the best reggae artists ever to grace god's green earth (Desmond Dekker is the only reggae artist I'd place over him), so it's nice to see him getting in.

25 years....Let's see, that would be 1985.... Artists with solid debut albums from 85 include :

- Whitney Houston (a train wreck, certainly, but one of the most notable artists of the last 25 years, absolutely)
- Exodus (i love them, but no chance on getting a HOF nod, for any reason)
- Sting (Though he's already in with The Police, one could argue that he had a bigger career as a solo artist)
- Megadeth (Again, a band I dig but no chance, what-so-ever of getting in)
- Sade (a great singer, but not big enough for the HOF)
- SOD (see Megadeth and Exodus...)
- Love and Rockets (not my thing personally, but the band was a pretty big cult band decades)
- Metal Church (...I sense a pattern here...)
- Youth of Today (hugely influential to the 2nd wave of American HC.....no chance of getting into the HOF)

[bert]

Jimmy Cliff is agruably one of the best reggae artists ever to grace god's green earth (Desmond Dekker is the only reggae artist I'd place over him), so it's nice to see him getting in.


Reggae Hall of Fame? Sure

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? He has no place, he's not relevent enough.

(and ABBA nor Madonna shoudl be in there either, so it's not as if I'm picking on him).

[bert]

- Love and Rockets (not my thing personally, but the band was a pretty big cult band decades)


HUGE L&R fan, and one could make the argument that they went beyond a cult band w/ the breakthru hit "So Alive"

of course, the reason they are considered mainly a cult band is due to the Bauhaus connection. .but except for David J's solo stuff, all the post Bauhaus formations had "hits" (Peter Murphy's "Cuts You Up", Tones on Tail's "Go", and L&R's "So Alive").

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Wow thats just all kinds of crazy fucking ABBA gets in before KISS. This Hall of Fame needs to be pulled outta Wenner's hands sadly. Such a shame as yet another year passes and no Monkees go in.

[Ilash]

Ladies Love Cool James invented the hip-hop ballad, for which anyone in the record industry who's made any money in the past fifteen years should be kissing his toes. The Chantels are shoo-ins for helping to establish the girl-group genre (I don't care if you think rock & roll means only guitars, there are more baby-boom nostalgists voting than metal fans), and KISS will continue to be shut out, because that way Simmons can pretend to still be edgy.

ABBA and Donna Summer don't need rock & roll's validation; they've already got all of post-1980 pop.

Ah yes but ABBA have to deal with the fact that just about no post-1980 pop is even remotely as good as them.

Mind you, that isn't really a knock on all those that followed them. ABBA are just that good.

[Aubergine~!]

I'm just happy the Stooges got in.

[40footwolf]

I guess Kiss had to be inducted eventually, but still...ugh.

Genesis and the Stooges best be winning this one.

[Libaax]

LL Cool J might be young for this honor yet but he is a real rap legend, made great RnB songs,great ballads.

Red Hot Chilli Peppers is in comparison a generic modern rock band......

To not look like a joke you gotta give Abba their honor, Jimmy Cliff reggae legend.

In the future more rap,RnB artist like LL Cool J that deserve the credit.

[howyadoin]

- Sting (Though he's already in with The Police, one could argue that he had a bigger career as a solo artist)Bigger is not necessarily better.

[bert]

I guess Kiss had to be inducted eventually, but still...ugh.

Genesis and the Stooges best be winning this one.

oh good lord, at least read the thread before commenting.

(and even you admit KISS should be in there).

[40footwolf]

Yeah, I just read that they didn't get in, which is something I don't have a problem with.

And I didn't admit that they should be in there, it was an acknowledgement that they were such a "big" band that, good or not, they were probably going to be inducted eventually.

[christoph68]

LL Cool J might be young for this honor yet but he is a real rap legend, made great RnB songs,great ballads.

Red Hot Chilli Peppers is in comparison a generic modern rock band......

To not look like a joke you gotta give Abba their honor, Jimmy Cliff reggae legend.

In the future more rap,RnB artist like LL Cool J that deserve the credit.

The Chilli Peppers are generic modern rock?
have you ever sat down a listened to any of their albums?
they're about generic in their music style as Bob Dylan was to folk music or Robert Johnson was to early blues.
i don't think that Any other artist out there has the funk, blues, rock style that the chilli Peppers has or has had the main stream success that they have had.

[Danvh3]

That's the worst induction list I've ever seen.

Where's the rock n' roll?

[Slackjaws_ate_my_brain]

Reggae Hall of Fame? Sure

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? He has no place, he's not relevent enough.

(and ABBA nor Madonna shoudl be in there either, so it's not as if I'm picking on him).

Bob Marley is already in, has been for over a decade. The fact that Marley, though better known, isn't HALF the talent that Jimmy Cliff is (and the fact that marley was certainly influenced by Cliff), and is already in, serves as precedent for Cliff's inclusion.

[billyzoom666]

You can argue all day about what constitutes "rock" to the R&R Hall of Fame (or the silliness that a R&R HOF actually exists in the first place) , but ABBA wrote some of the best pure pop songs of the last 35 years. That gets them in. I love Jimmy Cliff also, and someone here mentioned Desmond Dekker (I think it was my musical twin Slackjaws) who really should be in. Again though, I think the whole existence of a HOF for art is sort of weird to begin with and the cynic in me just sees it as a way for the people behind it to make more cash.

[Libaax]

The Chilli Peppers are generic modern rock?
have you ever sat down a listened to any of their albums?
they're about generic in their music style as Bob Dylan was to folk music or Robert Johnson was to early blues.
i don't think that Any other artist out there has the funk, blues, rock style that the chilli Peppers has or has had the main stream success that they have had.


No no i think they are good and might deserve the honor in the future.

But now when there are legendary rock groups that hasnt got in and Chili Peppers are still active, young enough.


LL Cool J has retired in music unlike them.

[Adam C]

That's the worst induction list I've ever seen.

Where's the rock n' roll?

Wait. The Stooges don't count as rock'n'roll?

(Personally I think it's been pretty clear for awhile now that at this point "Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" means "Rockist Approved post-1950s Popular Music Hall of Fame".)

[christoph68]

i don't think just because somebody retires that they should be in; though LL
is very good there are others like NWA, Public enemy and Ice-T that should be in there before him [imo].
the same goes for other artists; how the hell did metallica get in before alice cooper or kiss or scorpions or iron maiden or judas priest? they were the bands that metallica was listening to when they were still nobodies!
hell the monsters of rock [in america] 1988 was kingdom come, metallica, dokken, scorpions and van halen in that order opening to closing the show!
the rock and roll hall of fame is what it tries to protray it's self as; what it is a exclusive club that picks people that they like and invites them in.

[Alex Smith]

About time the Stooges got their due. I'm hoping they finally make it in. As much as I love R.E.M. it's weird to me that they're in before the Stooges.

Have any of you guys ever been to teh Rock Hall? I stopped by there while I was passing through Cleveland and ended up making a day of it. It was surprisingly a lot more fun than I had expected.

Edit: I see now that the list is out. Happy to see the Stooges made it. That one is long over due.

[Alex Smith]

Wait. The Stooges don't count as rock'n'roll?

(Personally I think it's been pretty clear for awhile now that at this point "Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" means "Rockist Approved post-1950s Popular Music Hall of Fame".)

It's definitely not all post-50s. They've got tons of room in the place devoted to older musicians from the 30s. Robert Johnson has a shrine just to him (or at least he did last I was there).

[Adam C]

It's definitely not all post-50s. They've got tons of room in the place devoted to older musicians from the 30s. Robert Johnson has a shrine just to him (or at least he did last I was there).

Well they've long kept a "Early Influence" category for non-rock influences on rock'n'roll performers, and Robert Johnson was one of the first inductees in that category. And looking at the website (http://www.rockhall.com/exhibithighlights/) they specifically have an exhibit devoted to the early influences of rock'n'roll such as country and blues.

But I guess the point I'm getting at is that the name "Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" is problematic insofar that it's inductees are starting to stretch outside "Rock & Roll" category with the induction of Run DMC. (Though there's always been the debate of whether there's a distinction between "Rock & Roll" and "Rock".) Even before the inductees were finalized, Jon Bogart noted that ABBA and Donna Summer "are much bigger than rock" (he said the same thing about Chic too) in their influence on post-80s rock music, which includes electronic pop.

Personally I don't have a problem with that. Given it's origins, size, and prestige it was probably bound to become a "Popular Music Hall of Fame For People Who Think the Boomer Rock Canon Is The Most Important Music", as is anything of that sort that's ultimately defined by the tastes of the people running it. And even that will change as the induction committee changes if only through people aging.

[Adam C]

About time the Stooges got their due. I'm hoping they finally make it in. As much as I love R.E.M. it's weird to me that they're in before the Stooges.

Not really. R.E.M. are more widely accept to than the Stooges and probably more palatable to the induction committees' tastes.

[Trey]

Is there a reason why Rush is not in, as one poster mentioned?

[SlightlyMad]

As long as the Stooges get in, I don't care.

All 3 of them: Larry, Mo & Curly!

[Pinball]

Me, i'm surprised Genesis got in. I've come to accept that Jann will never let his pet hates metal, prog, and the Monkees in.

[elbobbo]

Reggae Hall of Fame? Sure

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? He has no place, he's not relevent enough.

(and ABBA nor Madonna shoudl be in there either, so it's not as if I'm picking on him).

Jimmy Cliff belongs in just for The Harder They Come never mind his influence on an entire generation of rock and punk bands (including the Clash, Wayne Kramer)

He and the Stooges are the only bands I care about of this year's inductees. I hate prog rock and disco so that probably explains a good part of it