Blackest Night : Superman 2 Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[ryerye17]

Just read it. Thought it was okay, it had its good moments it had flat moments.

My only thing is that Robinson seems to love to chuck as many emotions as he can in every page.

[Dick/babs]

Just read it. Thought it was okay, it had its good moments it had flat moments.

My only thing is that Robinson seems to love to chuck as many emotions as he can in every page.

Martha tells Lois that she is “a Kansas farmer’s wife – take more than you to scare me.”

Martha lights a torch and declares, as she emerges from the corn, “It’s on:cool:
GO Ma GO :biggrin:GO Ma GO:biggrin:

[Karl O'Neill]

I wonder how they will collect all these 3 issue mini series?

I can't see them putting out trades with 3 issues worth of material in them.

They should double collect them.

Batman:Blackest Night and Superman:Blackest Night mini's in one hardcover.

Do the same with Wonder woman, Flash, JLA and JSA.

[JurassicParkIsAnAwesomeMovie]

I wonder how they will collect all these 3 issue mini series?

I can't see them putting out trades with 3 issues worth of material in them.

They should double collect them.

Batman:Blackest Night and Superman:Blackest Night mini's in one hardcover.

Do the same with Wonder woman, Flash, JLA and JSA.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

But, I'm wondering how they will collect Blackest Night in general...Will they do it in chronological order (Starts off with Green Lantern #43, then BN #0, BN #1, BN #2, GL #44, etc...or just BN 1-8 in the trade??

Back on topic, great artwork, and a fun read!!

[Bevbos]

Fun stuff. But I just don't buy bad-ass Ma Kent taking on a Black Lantern. I dunno, obviously the next issue can change my mind about that. Also: why is Psycho Pirate being wasted in Smallville instead of a major metropolitan area? Wouldn't he get a lot more "heart juice" in a big town? I hope Psycho Pirate makes his way in the main BN book for sure.

[Laminator_X]

Fun stuff. But I just don't buy bad-ass Ma Kent taking on a Black Lantern. I dunno, obviously the next issue can change my mind about that. Also: why is Psycho Pirate being wasted in Smallville instead of a major metropolitan area? Wouldn't he get a lot more "heart juice" in a big town? I hope Psycho Pirate makes his way in the main BN book for sure.

PP is rolling with Kal-L since they're both leftovers from Pre-Crisis Earth-2. The real question is why BL Kal-L wasn't sent after Power Girl.

[galactica]

This mini has been making me very very happy. Not because it's anything great but because the dialogue is so much better than Robinson's---------dialogue..... from his earlier issues-----which is to say from his first arc........ on...... Superman --- the Coming of Atlas or his CFJ, which is to say Cry For Justice, work. :smile:

I'm glad his dialogue is better because I really want to enjoy JLA.

[bongoes]

Kara punched Zor-Els eyeballs out!!

The real question is why BL Kal-L wasn't sent after Power Girl.

BN: JSA my friend.

[gwydion]

PP is rolling with Kal-L since they're both leftovers from Pre-Crisis Earth-2. The real question is why BL Kal-L wasn't sent after Power Girl.

Yes, that's the big white elephant in the room in this mini. Kal-L, Lois, and PP all have vastly greater emotional connections to Power Girl than they do to Superman, Connor, or Ma Kent.

And that's supposed to be the goal of the Black Lanterns---to get as big an emotional reaction as possible from their victims.

They'd have gotten a far bigger reaction from PG than from Superman, so why didn't they head straight for her? :confused: :confused:

[Tra-EL]

This is becoming more and more apparent that the Superman books today are the best as they've ever been since The Death of Superman books back in '93!

BL:Superman #2 is well thought out and brings more scenario's to the story. The way these Black Lanterns manipulate is disgusting and they are the true meaning of death and hell. When it comes across that way to the reader, then this story is living up to every expectation.

Anyone else get a creeped out feeling when Lois of Earth-2 was stalking and looking for Ma in the cornfields? It gave you a Halloween, suspense feel and was just creepy all together.

With the conclusion of #2, maybe Ma's actions will bring about something, and maybe the fire that she lit will be some kind of caution for the BL's, even though Conner heat visioned Lois-2's arm off, and it re-established itself.

These Black Lanterns seem to have NO weakness, so something needs to give in that department. Pa's grave was dug out in the last issue, wonder if a BL PA will make an appearance since Kal-L mentioned it, and now since Ma has taken action. Conner is under PP's mind control, so Superman is caught up with that as well as Kal-L. If anything happened to Ma, considering what happened to Pa, then Superman will never be the same and will completely shut down emotionally and second guess himself to the extreme.

As for Power Girl, the writers have something up their sleeves for this.. this little stint here is to let Kal-El know who's boss between both Earths since they will always be connected in some way. They will make their way to PG sooner or later.

[DarkKnghtJared]

Martha tells Lois that she is “a Kansas farmer’s wife – take more than you to scare me.”

Martha lights a torch and declares, as she emerges from the corn, “It’s on:cool:
GO Ma GO :biggrin:GO Ma GO:biggrin:

Yeah, I saw that on S_D and went, "...Well now I'll definately have to get the trade for this.

Yes, that's the big white elephant in the room in this mini. Kal-L, Lois, and PP all have vastly greater emotional connections to Power Girl than they do to Superman, Connor, or Ma Kent.

And that's supposed to be the goal of the Black Lanterns---to get as big an emotional reaction as possible from their victims.

They'd have gotten a far bigger reaction from PG than from Superman, so why didn't they head straight for her? :confused:

There's still one more issue, man.

[Will.S]

Just read it. Thought it was okay, it had its good moments it had flat moments.

My only thing is that Robinson seems to love to chuck as many emotions as he can in every page.I felt pretty much the same.

The comic was merely okay, sadly it didn't have the benefit of the cool "horror movie haunting" that was done in the first issue with Black Lantern Superman. Most of the issue was purely action with some by the numbers story and dialogue so it didn't feel very important. Granted, I usually don't mind action or anything but it seemed as if the plot barely moved at all outside of Psycho Pirate coming in and taking control of the Smallville population.

The art by Eddy Barrows was decent although the smiles and grins on some of the Smallville folk are downright creepy. If I knew this mini series was going to turn into this type of issue then I would have easily avoided it but unfortunately it kind of dropped the ball after a promising 1st issue. At this point we're only one more issue away so I might as well just finish it off but I hope it ends on a good note.

5/10

Yes, that's the big white elephant in the room in this mini. Kal-L, Lois, and PP all have vastly greater emotional connections to Power Girl than they do to Superman, Connor, or Ma Kent.

And that's supposed to be the goal of the Black Lanterns---to get as big an emotional reaction as possible from their victims.

They'd have gotten a far bigger reaction from PG than from Superman, so why didn't they head straight for her? :confused: :confused:
I was okay with Kal-L and Earth-2 Lois because of their appearances in Infinite Crisis but I was mostly wondering why Psycho Pirate was there. Is he really THAT associated with the Superman books? He was basically just a plot device needed to up the stakes but outside of that I didn't think his appearance had any impact on any of the characters.

I did like Zor-El showing up in front of Supergirl and Alura but the Black Lantern reveals at this point have worn out some of their welcome since I'd like to see the focus shift somewhere else. But since this is only a 3 issue mini I suppose it's supposed to just do it's thing and then somehow tie back into the main mini series again so we'll have to look for that book to see anything significant with the Black Lanterns happen.

[superchick]

Speculation: BL Lois gets destroyed and BL Superman runs into the JSA mini

[gwydion]

Yeah, I saw that on S_D and went, "...Well now I'll definately have to get the trade for this.



There's still one more issue, man.

Better get to it then, the cover to that issue, while awesome, doesn't show her at all, just Superman and Connor fighting generic zombies. Did I mention the cover is awesome?!

[superchick]

I prefer the standard covers.Both the BL Superman outside Smallville and the Zor-El/Kara covers are beautiful. The others don't compare. PG won't show up, she'll be in JSA as PG fans keep being told by Dan D, she's a JSA character for now.

[TheCrisisKid]

It felt like cheating for BL Psycho Pirate to be able to force people to display emotions when BL feed on them.

Loving every second of Blackest Night.

[CMBMOOL]

Why do I gets this weird feeling that Power girl is going to be given a cameo or isn't going to be involved within this mini ? :frown:

[Scott Taylor]

Would love to see the last panel of the last issue of this mini have PG come on the scene with fists flying, and a "TBC in BN: JSA" teaser.

Good issue, BTW, I'm thinking Ma Kent will be a match for Undead Lois. She's a farmer on a farm, dammit! Homefield advantage.

[Rev. Calibos]

It felt like cheating for BL Psycho Pirate to be able to force people to display emotions when BL feed on them.

Loving every second of Blackest Night.

It is cheating, isn't it but it's also insanely effective.

The Pirate is like an Emotion enzyme making it easier for the BL's to get the most out of the people they hit up for energy.

[SeritoNiN]

I thought it was a good issue.

[dupersuper]

Yes, that's the big white elephant in the room in this mini. Kal-L, Lois, and PP all have vastly greater emotional connections to Power Girl than they do to Superman, Connor, or Ma Kent.

And that's supposed to be the goal of the Black Lanterns---to get as big an emotional reaction as possible from their victims.

They'd have gotten a far bigger reaction from PG than from Superman, so why didn't they head straight for her? :confused: :confused:

Zombies work in mysterious ways...

[IvCNuB4]

Fun stuff. But I just don't buy bad-ass Ma Kent taking on a Black Lantern. I dunno, obviously the next issue can change my mind about that..

Lois-2 is a Black Lantern with no super-powers. Although she somehow kicked Krypto's ass last issue. I'm guessing the ring must have some kind of blasting power to it .

Otherwise I liked this issue. The chaos Psycho Pirate caused on the ground (while Kal-L kept Kal and Conner busy in the air) was hysterical and creepy.

[Karl O'Neill]

Very good issue. I think this was as good as the first one.

Loved all the fight scenes between all the supermen! and BoY!

Eddie barrows is not one of my favourite artists but his art here is decent. Sometimes I feel all his characters are very lanky and out of shape.

Totally loved that ma kent *it's on* Line and moment at the end. I have been harsh on robinson's work the last few months but i feel he is doing a good job with this 3 issue mini series.

The Psycho pirate was always an underused and underappreciated villain IMHO. Good to see hom causing havoc here!

Good issue.

[Infinity Man]

The Psycho pirate was always an underused and underappreciated villain IMHO. Good to see hom causing havoc here!

Good issue.

Yes, totally agree. It's good to see Psycho Pirate again. This was a fun issue. I'm looking forward to December when the next tie-ins begin.

[Doc Goblin]

So far, I'd say this is one of the better Blackest Night tie-ins. Definitely better than the Batman one, which has read pretty shallow and empty so far.

One thing I'm curious about is why Jonathan Kent isn't a Black Lantern already. A black ring could have reanimated him right off the bat just like Kal-L and Lois, but that isn't what happened. I wonder if that's some story point that's going to be addressed next issue.

My only problem with this is the presence of Psycho Pirate. He's unwelcome. He hurts the story too. Why all this trouble when you have this guy who can just make anyone feel a pure emotion? It makes all of the Black Lanterns' manipulations seem pointless.

[Tra-EL]

Another thing that stood out to me in this issue, was Superman using his Super Breath to bundle up Kal-L for a lousy second. Off the top of my head, that's the first time I've seen Supes use his SB in awhile.

[Mat001]

Arctic breath was last seen in Action Comics #870. Clark froze Brainiac to the wall of his ship before kicking him out of it. Though, I think it's been used since then by him. It was used by Superboy-Prime in "Legion Of 3 Worlds".

[Mr. Kent]

I'm all for old ladies kicking ass - Hell, evertime Aunt May gets snarky it's a guaranteed buy for me. But that thing with Ma Kent....er, no. I just didn't care for it.

The skull-punching thing was cool though - eyeballs everywhere, haha!

[superchick]

Why do I gets this weird feeling that Power girl is going to be given a cameo or isn't going to be involved within this mini ? :frown:

Because she's a JSA character, how many times do we have to say that? Robinson is writing BN:JSA so you'll probably get your Kal-L/PG stuff there.

[gwydion]

Because she's a JSA character, how many times do we have to say that? Robinson is writing BN:JSA so you'll probably get your Kal-L/PG stuff there.

The point being though, that from the internal logic of the Blackest Night thing, (the Black Lanterns needing to elicit the maximum emotional response in their victims), it doesn't make any sense having Kal-L--her cousin, Lois---her surrogate mom, and PP---more her enemy than anyone else currently living, go straight for people they've barely met rather than her.

And yes, Power Girl is NOT appearing in Superman: Blackest Night according to Dan Didio, but IS appearing in JSA: Blackest Night.

Though none of the solicits for the latter series mention Kal-L, Lois, or PP, while they do mention a number of other Black Lanterns.

So it pretty much looks like the entire rationale for the Black Lanterns was ignored simply for a marquee match-up, making this a comic book event with no real internal logic at all.

[IvCNuB4]

Would you like some cheese with that "whine" ? Seriously. You're discounting the entire event just because of Power Girl's absence from it so far ?

[superchick]

The point being though, that from the internal logic of the Blackest Night thing, (the Black Lanterns needing to elicit the maximum emotional response in their victims), it doesn't make any sense having Kal-L--her cousin, Lois---her surrogate mom, and PP---more her enemy than anyone else currently living, go straight for people they've barely met rather than her.

And yes, Power Girl is NOT appearing in Superman: Blackest Night according to Dan Didio, but IS appearing in JSA: Blackest Night.

Though none of the solicits for the latter series mention Kal-L, Lois, or PP, while they do mention a number of other Black Lanterns.

So it pretty much looks like the entire rationale for the Black Lanterns was ignored simply for a marquee match-up, making this a comic book event with no real internal logic at all.

Both Superman and Superboy have evaded death that was a big part of the rationale. Superman is looking at himself dead, something he has been which is sure to elicit an emotional response. Remember that the Kara/Zor El stuff was not solicited. PG's storyline most likely provides spoilers for how BN:Superman ends.

[gwydion]

Would you like some cheese with that "whine" ? Seriously. You're discounting the entire event just because of Power Girl's absence from it so far ?


Me? No, I'm not. Read my posts, I also mentioned it was nicely written and the art was good. It does however invalidate the entire premise of the series, which is a bit of a problem. Personally, if she hadn't belonged in the story, I would have been happy for her to remain out of it. But by the premise of the story, when they introduced these particular characters, she should have been in it.

[gwydion]

Both Superman and Superboy have evaded death that was a big part of the rationale. Superman is looking at himself dead, something he has been which is sure to elicit an emotional response. Remember that the Kara/Zor El stuff was not solicited. PG's storyline most likely provides spoilers for how BN:Superman ends.

Sorry, but that really doesn't wash for me. Superman didn't seem to be thinking along those lines, and most of the other Black Lanterns went straight for people with whom they had an emotional connection. Maybe the only thing that works for me with that in mind is the formerly dead deal...but the ones who actually were formerly dead didn't seem to be all that distressed by that fact being brought up. And it certainly didn't hold for a lot of the other Black Lantern encounters---which seemed to be based on who they would upset the most.

[Mat001]

Clark is being targeted by Kal-L based on their similarities, but also because of the last time they saw each other, Clark had been fighting with him over his previous inactions. Conner is being taunted by his death and recent resurrection as shown during the fight. Clark is also being taunted with his inability to save people. Not to mention that the Black Lanterns will continue to be a presence even after this story finishes. So by issues six and seven of the main series, we could see Karen fighting Kal.