Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 - 360 vs PS3 version

[Rollerblader]

Lens of Truth has released their comparison
http://www.lensoftruth.com/?p=14886

When the official rendering resolutions are figured out & screen tear percentages i'll add them too. Beyond3D usually gets to the bottom of that.

G R A P H I C S
Xbox 360 wins here, while the camera stays pretty far from all the superheroes so you can see them all fighting, you can see them slightly better on the Xbox 360.

P E R F O R M A N C E
Xbox 360 comes out on top sporting better performance, based on frame rate, screen tearing, and other general issues.

L O A D I N G
Tie. Most of the loading was masked in the cut scenes. It is worth mentioning that the PlayStation 3 had a mandatory install of right around 2 gigs.

O U T C O M E
Xbox 360 wins this Head2Head sporting better performance and slightly sharper textures. While Ultimate Alliance 2 looked and played like you would expect, Marvel really needs to step up their game plan because the gaming industry has found a new hero.

[Cloudman]

So, to put it shortly, Xbox 360 wins easily.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

More often than not, the 360 version of a game has slightly better performance than the PS3 version when it comes to multiplatform games.

[Tyr]

More often than not, the 360 version of a game has slightly better performance than the PS3 version when it comes to multiplatform games.

But it should be noted that PSN is free, unlike Xbox Live, and shame on you X-Fan for helping to propagate the belief that the Xbox 360 is a superior machine. And your a PS3 user. :eek:

[StoneGold]

But it should be noted that PSN is free, unlike Xbox Live, and shame on you X-Fan for helping to propagate the belief that the Xbox 360 is a superior machine. And your a PS3 user. :eek:

That's kind of a fallacy when making the comparison though. Because who doesn't already have a Live account? Has nothing to do with the game itself, though. Besides, this is one of those games that's better to play with other people in the room.

[Tyr]

That's kind of a fallacy when making the comparison though. Because who doesn't already have a Live account? Has nothing to do with the game itself, though. Besides, this is one of those games that's better to play with other people in the room.

Um...those that don't have an xbox...those that don't have a decent net connection to play games on...those that can't afford to have xbox live account and a net connection...etc.

[StoneGold]

Um...those that don't have an xbox...those that don't have a decent net connection to play games on...those that can't afford to have xbox live account and a net connection...etc.
Those that don't have an Xbox or a decent net connection wouldn't care, anyway. The game wouldn't be any better with free lousy internet connections than paid ones.

But beyond that, it's a known factor. It's like saying you like it better on the Xbox because it's a smaller system and it fits in your cabinet better. OK, but what does that have to do with the qualities of the game? Absolutely nothing. It's a non-sequitor when discussing which system the game performs better on.


Unless you can tell me how free internet play makes the game perform better.

And please keep in mind, I have both systems and a Wii. I bought the game on 360 because I have more 360 controllers, and know more people with a 360, hence more likely to be able to play it with them.

[nightw1ng]

while in general the PS3 is considered to be overall a better computer, oftentimes multiplatform games will look better on the xbox360 because they develop it for that system first and port it to the PS3. many software developers have stated they find it easier to code for the xbox360. as a PS3 owner, i do find that annoying at times since the PS3 potentially should look better but am glad for PS3 exclusive titles that look great. i'm sure games that are made for the PS3 first and then ported to the xbox360 would look much better on the PS3, like i'm sure next year's Final Fantasy XIII will be.

[Tyr]

Unless you can tell me how free internet play makes the game perform better.


It doesn't, its free, in other words you don't have to pay for it. I don't know how much better I can explain it.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Live is worth paying for, IMO.

But let's not turn this into console wars.

[Tyr]

Live is worth paying for, IMO.


Traitor :tongue:

while in general the PS3 is considered to be overall a better computer, oftentimes multiplatform games will look better on the xbox360 because they develop it for that system first and port it to the PS3. many software developers have stated they find it easier to code for the xbox360. as a PS3 owner, i do find that annoying at times since the PS3 potentially should look better but am glad for PS3 exclusive titles that look great. i'm sure games that are made for the PS3 first and then ported to the xbox360 would look much better on the PS3, like i'm sure next year's Final Fantasy XIII will be.

I'm not sure if I can buy that argument, if small companies and solo programmers can put together games using ps3's development tools, why is it so tough for the larger companies to do the same?

And just who exactly is Lens of Truth anyway?

[StoneGold]

It doesn't, its free, in other words you don't have to pay for it. I don't know how much better I can explain it.

And the Wii version is $10 cheaper. Does that make it better than the PS3 version?

[jessecuster3]

But it should be noted that PSN is free, unlike Xbox Live, and shame on you X-Fan for helping to propagate the belief that the Xbox 360 is a superior machine. And your a PS3 user. :eek:

Yes, and due to the pack in of a headset, people actually talk on LIVE, as opposed to the sheer silence on PSN.

[Rollerblader]

Traitor :tongue:



I'm not sure if I can buy that argument, if small companies and solo programmers can put together games using ps3's development tools, why is it so tough for the larger companies to do the same?

And just who exactly is Lens of Truth anyway?
what small companies are you referring to? I hope youre not referring to PSN games like the pixel junk series. games like that are a ton less demanding than 3D games.

the PS3's main hurdle is the fact that it uses stream processing. not traditional branch processing. plus the development tools are very minimal, so most stuff has to be written from the ground up. that's why you see most games on the PS3 sub-par, unless they're a studio tied directly to sony. in which case sony has a small army of dedicated cell programmers which travel around to the diff game houses & help overcome hurdles the teams encounter.

as for your second question
http://www.lensoftruth.com/?page_id=187

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Yes, and due to the pack in of a headset, people actually talk on LIVE, as opposed to the sheer silence on PSN.

Yeah, I gotta say, I don't really want to have to go buy a bluetooth headset, so I don't have a means to talk on PSN. But I got a headset for free for my 360, so I can talk.

[Tyr]

And the Wii version is $10 cheaper. Does that make it better than the PS3 version?

....I'm sorry, but I'm not sure that example works, you still have to pay for the Wii version, PSN is free.

I'm not saying that it's better, I'm sure that Xbox Live gives you good service, and considering they charge, they'd better.

But being able to play online for free isn't to shabby.

what small companies are you referring to? I hope youre not referring to PSN games like the pixel junk series. games like that are a ton less demanding than 3D games.

the PS3's main hurdle is the fact that it uses stream processing. not traditional branch processing. plus the development tools are very minimal, so most stuff has to be written from the ground up. that's why you see most games on the PS3 sub-par, unless they're a studio tied directly to sony. in which case sony has a small army of dedicated cell programmers which travel around to the diff game houses & help overcome hurdles the teams encounter.

as for your second question
http://www.lensoftruth.com/?page_id=187

Ok that makes sense, and I was thinking about the complexity of games myself, but on the other hand, wouldn't having a large development studio for those games compensate for the complexity of those games?

And I checked out the link, looks good, I think I'll bookmark this for future reference, thanks.

Yeah, I gotta say, I don't really want to have to go buy a bluetooth headset, so I don't have a means to talk on PSN. But I got a headset for free for my 360, so I can talk.

The thing about the headset for the PS3, is that most blue tooth headsets will work. So if you have one for your phone you can configure it for you PS3.

Just like with keyboards, you don't actually need anything official any standard usb keyboard will work. That's one of the things I love about the ps3.

Now as for the quality of the official one, I was able to pick an official bluetooth headset and Tom Clancy's Endwar for around $30 thanks to a fluke. The set works reasonably well. Yes sometimes you get garbled static, but that happens from time to time on any system.

[Donald M.]

But it should be noted that PSN is free, unlike Xbox Live, and shame on you X-Fan for helping to propagate the belief that the Xbox 360 is a superior machine. And your a PS3 user. :eek:

So, you're decrying fanboyism from a position of fanboyism. Interesting tack to take.

Here's the thing, 360 is not the superior machine, it's just the superior selling machine. (Though the numbers of sales may be skewed towards PS3 at the moment due to recent price drops and the fact that, well, everyone who wants a 360 pretty much has one at this point.)

It's been the winner (Not counting Wii, which mostly appeals to a different of the gaming audience anyway.) in spite of its notorious hardware problems and having to pay extra to play online.

Note that maintaining an online network costs money, money that Sony is losing by not charging for online play. That loss of revenue is reflected in the quality of Sony's online service.

Xbox Live may cost a bit extra (Though not that much really, especially if you shop around for a deal.) but it's also rock solid. PSN being free is only a factor if PSN's quality is equal to Xbox Live's which is most certainly isn't.

You get what you pay for. Or don't pay for, in this case.

I say this all as console-neutral gamer whose no fan of Microsoft and doesn't own a PS3 but eventually wants to. Facts are facts.

[Fatguy]

Yes, and due to the pack in of a headset, people actually talk on LIVE, as opposed to the sheer silence on PSN.

Yeah, I'm not sure if being able to hear all the retarded racist/homophobic bullshit on Live is a real good selling point :wink:

[Tyr]

So, you're decrying fanboyism from a position of fanboyism. Interesting tack to take.


Actually that was a joke, I was talking trash with X-fan, I talk trash on a regular basis in YABS. Apparently some of you folks thought I was being serious...sorry 'bout that.

Note that maintaining an online network costs money, money that Sony is losing by not charging for online play. That loss of revenue is reflected in the quality of Sony's online service.


I log on and play games online on a regular basis, works fine for me. Few hiccups but that can be expected from time to time.

Yeah, I'm not sure if being able to hear all the retarded racist/homophobic bullshit on Live is a real good selling point :wink:

Unfortunately I've heard the same crap on PSN as well.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Yeah, I'm not sure if being able to hear all the retarded racist/homophobic bullshit on Live is a real good selling point :wink:

I know this was said more in jest, but I do hear that as a real complaint all the time. All I can really say is that you can mute the jerks, and the mics really add a lot to online multiplayer when you're playing with good people. The best solution is to avoid random players, and to specifically play with friends or people you arrange games with on forums like this one.

Of course, you'll find these people on the internet no matter where you go.

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/215499488_8pSZr-L-2.jpg

And yeah, you guys are reading too much into Tyr's friendly trash talk.

[Tyr]

Ah but what if someone is a total f**kwad in real life, does that make them a normal person on the internet?

[StoneGold]

....I'm sorry, but I'm not sure that example works, you still have to pay for the Wii version, PSN is free.


You're saying that the PS3 is better because you don't pay for online. Well the Wii version is $10 less than the PS3 version. Does that make it $10 better?


The point being that price doesn't enter into whether something is better or not. Is a 1984 Toyota Camry better than a brand new Mercedes Benz S-Class because you can buy it for a lot less? No. Same thing.

[Tyr]

You're saying that the PS3 is better because you don't pay for online. Well the Wii version is $10 less than the PS3 version. Does that make it $10 better?


The point being that price doesn't enter into whether something is better or not. Is a 1984 Toyota Camry better than a brand new Mercedes Benz S-Class because you can buy it for a lot less? No. Same thing.

True, but then If I got a car that ran for free I wouldn't have much to complain about, if it runs and gets me where I need to go. Cause its a free car, and who wouldn't want to get a car for free? Also I don't think the PSN is as horrible as everyone makes it out to be. Apart from getting my Fallout 3 DLC late, I don't have much to complain about.

[Rollerblader]

Ok that makes sense, and I was thinking about the complexity of games myself, but on the other hand, wouldn't having a large development studio for those games compensate for the complexity of those games?

And I checked out the link, looks good, I think I'll bookmark this for future reference, thanks.


Just like with keyboards, you don't actually need anything official any standard usb keyboard will work. That's one of the things I love about the ps3.

Now as for the quality of the official one, I was able to pick an official bluetooth headset and Tom Clancy's Endwar for around $30 thanks to a fluke. The set works reasonably well. Yes sometimes you get garbled static, but that happens from time to time on any system.
Well, big publishers like Activision do make good cross platform games sometimes. Like CoD4 is identical on both platforms (technically it was Infinity Ward who did all the work, they actually criticized Activision for not giving them enough funding to do it, so they had to do it on their own time) I really hope they get out from under Activision.

EA has been notoriously cheap w/ regards to PS3 development though. i think every EA game ever made has been noticeably better on 360.

p.s. you can plug any USB keyboard into the 360 too.
I use a nokia bluetooth 2.0 headset w/ my PS3. it works. i even tried a friends Jawbone 2, sounds a little better but not much.
I just think the 360s headset (the wired one at least, wireless isn't that good) is better. the boom mic is more sensitive & the sound quality seems better.

i agree that paying for LIVE sucks. but it's not that expensive. you can find 13 month cards for 30-40 on sale pretty regularly. (check cheapassgamer.com) so that's less than $3-4 a month. not too bad. i do agree that i think the service should be free. or at least half the price it is now. but i do like it enough to pay for it. PSN just doesnt work as well. no party system, no cross game invites. those are my main 2 gripes.

Yeah, I'm not sure if being able to hear all the retarded racist/homophobic bullshit on Live is a real good selling point :wink:I dont really run into that very much. Maybe it's the kind of games i play. Like right now the game i play most is Magic The Gathering. Every1 ive met has been nice.

There is a feature though where you can rate a player down, report them & make it so you'll never be matched w/ them again. slowly but surely it filters the jerks out. i think most people are normal, it's just the jerks stand out more.

[StoneGold]

True, but then If I got a car that ran for free I wouldn't have much to complain about, if it runs and gets me where I need to go. Cause its a free car, and who wouldn't want to get a car for free? Also I don't think the PSN is as horrible as everyone makes it out to be. Apart from getting my Fallout 3 DLC late, I don't have much to complain about.

I'm not even talking about the merits of the system, just that going "You can play online for free!" isn't really a plus or minus when discussing the differences between cross platform games. You also generally have to pay more for the PS3 to begin with (or did, I haven't kept up on current prices), so it's really a non-starter.

[Tyr]

You also generally have to pay more for the PS3 to begin with (or did, I haven't kept up on current prices), so it's really a non-starter.

Yes and no, I was looking into a PS3 or an Xbox 360 for Christmas, so I did some shopping around in order to see which one was the better deal, so I could relay that to my old man.

What I found is sure the Xbox 360 was a hell of a lot cheaper, until you but a hard drive into it. The it was only slightly cheaper depending on which hard drive model you were going for. The Xbox 360 only seemed cheaper cause you were getting less, once you started adding stuff to it there really wasn't much of a price difference, especially if you were shooting for one of the later models, which I was, cause they were reported to break less.

I would have been happy with an Xbox 360, cause at the time I wasn't planning to play live that much anyway. But I'm happy I got a PS3.

[jessecuster3]

Yes and no, I was looking into a PS3 or an Xbox 360 for Christmas, so I did some shopping around in order to see which one was the better deal, so I could relay that to my old man.

What I found is sure the Xbox 360 was a hell of a lot cheaper, until you but a hard drive into it. The it was only slightly cheaper depending on which hard drive model you were going for. The Xbox 360 only seemed cheaper cause you were getting less, once you started adding stuff to it there really wasn't much of a price difference, especially if you were shooting for one of the later models, which I was, cause they were reported to break less.

I would have been happy with an Xbox 360, cause at the time I wasn't planning to play live that much anyway. But I'm happy I got a PS3.

I have both, I can honestly say, when it comes to cross platform games, I will play them on the 360 every time. I just prefer the controller, much more. As far as features, I use both of them to play games almost exclusively, but I use the 360 for Netflix. However, I will never spend the money for the wireless adapter, and I certainly will never ever spend the money to build up my hard drive, Microsoft really, severely screwed up on these two features. PS3 has both of these built in.

[Alex]

But it should be noted that PSN is free, unlike Xbox Live, and shame on you X-Fan for helping to propagate the belief that the Xbox 360 is a superior machine. And your a PS3 user. :eek:

Xbox live is also better than the PSN.
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