Will Spider-Woman debut in the top 10?

[Winghead]

This is really an interest to me. It will be the first time in years that Bendis has been writing a smaller character solo outside of Powers. I am looking forward to the book, and Maleev's art looks incredible. Do you think this will suffer a similar fate to smaller female character centred books like She Hulk and Ms Marvel, or do you think this could actually be a top seller?

[XPac]

I wonder if the sales won't be lower simply because there's a motion comic version of the book out there though.

I imagine a lot of people who are interested in the character might opt to get that instead of the printed version.

[Global Honored]

I think the first issue at least has the potential for good sales. Bendis and Maleev will bring in customers. Can they keep them? That we'll have to find out. Jessica Drew is not so obscure that casual readers are unaware of who she is or her story. Top Ten may be a little high, but not impossible. This book has been delayed so long though that some of the original buzz has died out. That may hurt it a bit. Secret Invasion was soooo 2008

[janthonyh]

I will be getting this. I hope it's awesome. I'm not sure if it will be in the top 10. did Power Girl, Batgirl, or Batwoman's Detective Comics break the top 10? I know they are not Marvel books, but they are female lead books. It would be interesting to find out.

[nightwing45]

Maybe top 20, not sure about top 10.

[bebopeva88]

Ultimate Comics Spider-Man #1 didn't even make the top 10 (it came in at #11), so I don't see Spider-Woman breaking the top 10. Top 25 for the first issue is a good possibility, but I expect it to settle into a sales area where Bendis/Maleev's Daredevil was, if not a bit lower since Spider-Woman is a lesser known character than DD, and the earlier Spider-Woman hype, circa 1st year of NA has died down some.

It'll be interesting to see if the motion comic cannibalizes sales of the print version at all; the motion comic only has 5 episodes, and will wrap up on Oct. 14. If Spider-Woman gets any kind of a bump after the first few issues, it could be attributed to the motion comic being done with.

[YouthofToday]

I think it will do a big number, but there's so many other things going on right now that it will be tough to crack the top 10. You've got Reborn, Blackest Night and tie-ins, Utopia Exodus, The List issues, plus the regulars top 10ers- B&R, DA, NA, etc.
I'm guessing it will around 80-83K, which honestly isn't bad for a Spider-woman book. After a few issues, I wouldn't be surprised if it levels off in the low 70s.

[paulski]

I posted on another thread here that I expect #1 to debut in the Top 10 but that it will be down around the bottom of the Top 20 by #6 or so. As popular as Bendis is, I don't see Jessica maintaining enough of a popularity base to keep the book selling for an extended period of time.

[zebop]

Lord, I hope not. I can't stand the character of Spider-Woman and I don't get whey Bendis has such a crush on her.:confused:

[WorstThingUS]

Lord, I hope not. I can't stand the character of Spider-Woman and I don't get whey Bendis has such a crush on her.:confused:

She ended when Chris Claremont stopped writing her. Nothing Bendis has done changes this. For a character he claims to love, he's made her horrible.

[Brock]

I'm glad they're sticking to the plan to drop to $2.99 per issue as of #2. This should help boost the sales, even if the motion comic is cheaper and comes out first.

[Greg Anderson]

Not interested in the character but in a way sorta hoping it does. We need more female lead books in the top. Detective Comics has been a great read, yet it doesn't sell AT ALL at my shop. :confused:

[marvelprince]

I reeeally hope it debuts in the top 10. It probably wont stay there, but for its first issue I certainly hope so. The motion comic has been great, the comic looks to be awesome. I can see this being the top selling title for a female lead. Actually screw that, I want this to be a top selling title period.

[XPac]

I'm glad they're sticking to the plan to drop to $2.99 per issue as of #2. This should help boost the sales, even if the motion comic is cheaper and comes out first.

The first motion comic was only a buck, so I'm pretty sure that cut into the comic sales a bit.

[OBrianTallent]

I fully expect the first issue to at least make the top ten, but Spider Woman just isn't that popular a character to maintain that kind of numbers. Over the long haul, top thirty.

[Triforce]

Top 10 is too optimistic IMO.

[paulski]

By christ, I got that one wrong, didn't I? :eek:

If I read the list right, #1 debuted at 45. Marvel simply cannot be happy with that...

(Sorry, here's the link: http://icv2.com/articles/news/16022.html )

[Monty_Cristo]

By christ, I got that one wrong, didn't I? :eek:

If I read the list right, #1 debuted at 45. Marvel simply cannot be happy with that...

(Sorry, here's the link: http://icv2.com/articles/news/16022.html )

it's because of those cruddy motion comics. getting the series away from skrulls might help as well. they're about as topical as Bush jokes.

[Doc Goblin]

I don't know. I have trouble believing that Marvel honestly expected a top ten debut for Spider-Woman.

Coming in at 47k isn't bad by any stretch. I'm sure Marvel hoped for a little better. Probably something in the 60k range. But this far from a disappointing debut. Selling somewhere in the 20k range? That would've been a crushing disappointment.

[paulski]

From other creators... perhaps. But the much hyped SW title from Bendis & Maleev? I am really, really shocked and that doesn't happen very often anymore.

[XPac]

By christ, I got that one wrong, didn't I? :eek:

If I read the list right, #1 debuted at 45. Marvel simply cannot be happy with that...

(Sorry, here's the link: http://icv2.com/articles/news/16022.html )

I'm sure the sales were much lower because of the motion comics. The first issue of the motion comic was only like a buck when it first came out.

[nosferUATU]

From other creators... perhaps. But the much hyped SW title from Bendis & Maleev? I am really, really shocked and that doesn't happen very often anymore.
What shocks me is that anyone expected SW to debut in the top ten. She had a motion comic that was sold for 99 cents, and shortly after was shown for free at Marvel.com.

Marvel really dropped the ball with this,and for all the alleged success they had with the motion comic, all people will remember is that their much-hyped, highly anticipated SW book from their Eisner-award winning, fan favorite team of creators, couldn't even muster a top 25 debut...

[Doc Goblin]

I don't think Bendis and Maleev's critically acclaimed Daredevil sold any better than this. I mean I'm not saying sales couldn't have been higher. Like I said, a little higher than this was probably the hoped for target. But I don't believe this was ever really a top ten contender.

I'd actually be surprised if any regular series by Maleev was in the top ten. I like his art, but I don't think his style has wide enough appeal to hit that mark.

[Will.S]

The sales for this being so low can certainly be attributed to a degree to the motion comics eating away at their potential sales for their printed one although I have to wonder if they count that as some portion of those book's sales.

There's also the fact that Marvel in that month was facing stiff competition so that might have also factored in. If it was a lighter month without Blackest Night it might have have debuted as far down as it has.

[Prodigy55]

The first issue of the motion comic was free on marvel.com a week after it came out on itunes, that might be why more people didn't buy the issue.

[Iron Maiden]

I'd like to see a female character to succeed but she just never really appealed to me. What exactly is all that memorable about her, personality-wise? Let's not get into anatomy since almost all female superheroes are *healthy* looking.

[paulski]

There's also the fact that Marvel in that month was facing stiff competition so that might have also factored in. If it was a lighter month without Blackest Night it might have have debuted as far down as it has.

Maybe, maybe not. I thought about that for a second, but then realised that, even allowing for all the 'event books' above it, #45 is still a friggin' long way down the list. Which means it may not even have made the Top 30 under normal circumstances. Now that is scary!

[YouthofToday]

I was way off. I didn't predict top 10, but I thought it could do 80K. The motion comic did hurt sales of the physical book, but I'm sure when Marvel adds both together they'll be pleased.
Again, it is a solo Spider-woman book. We shouldn't be that shocked by these numbers.

I'd be curious to see what Daredevil's numbers would be if Bendis/Maleev took over that book again. I think it would get a bump, but not something that would end up in the top 20 every month. Some characters aren't going to sell that well no matter who writing them.

[Soundrave]

It just goes to show you that big-name talent isn't what's selling comics. Rather, it's big-name characters and the perception that a comic will be integral to the larger tapestry of the shared universe.

[Sighphi]

Lets not forget that this thing was delayed for a long time.
This thing was supposed to come out after SI and ride that wave..... needless to say that to have this Skrull stuff right when DR is going to end might have some effect.

[rogerio]

Top 20, probably.:biggrin:

[marvelprince]

Damn. I was optimistic this was going to do better, but as everyone here pointed out with all the factors involved it wasn't meant to happen. I just hope that the book can at least maintain these numbers and not dip too low.

[scouse mouse]

Wow! I am really surprised at how low the comic has entered on the charts. I never expected a top 10 because of the motion comic but for a Bendis title to debut that low is quite a shock!

[Monty_Cristo]

I'd like to see a female character to succeed but she just never really appealed to me. What exactly is all that memorable about her, personality-wise? Let's not get into anatomy since almost all female superheroes are *healthy* looking.

she's not "healthy" any more. Maleev actually draws her as kind of gaunt. it might have sold better if it had been marketed to boob hounds.

[paulski]

It just goes to show you that big-name talent isn't what's selling comics. Rather, it's big-name characters and the perception that a comic will be integral to the larger tapestry of the shared universe.

Fair comment.

[paulski]

Lets not forget that this thing was delayed for a long time.
This thing was supposed to come out after SI and ride that wave..... needless to say that to have this Skrull stuff right when DR is going to end might have some effect.

Actually... if memory serves, this title was supposed to come out (counts back on fingers...) over 3 years ago, around the time that Cho was doing his New Avengers fill-in issues. Actually, probably even further back that that.

But yeah, the delays certainly hurt it. There was a lot of buzz about the character back when she joined the NA. You just can't delay a book 3 years and not expect some kind of impact. :frown:

[jackolover]

I'm thinking it's become very clear that because Norman is pushing going forward with his LIST, that Vicky is very aware that this is the beginning of the end for Norman her boss. Now is the time that she positions herself in the most complimentary way to cover herself. There is also the opportunity to manipulate the situation and give herself a life raft, for when it goes bad. Collect information on the Dark Reign and perform a coup de grace on Osborn to show herself to be the hero in all this. But she is so vulnerable around Osborn. She needs to find an ally. She needs to find James Barnes, and the New Avengers before this goes on too much longer, and get some back up muscle. Something like that.

[Monty_Cristo]

I'm thinking it's become very clear that because Norman is pushing going forward with his LIST, that Vicky is very aware that this is the beginning of the end for Norman her boss. Now is the time that she positions herself in the most complimentary way to cover herself. There is also the opportunity to manipulate the situation and give herself a life raft, for when it goes bad. Collect information on the Dark Reign and perform a coup de grace on Osborn to show herself to be the hero in all this. But she is so vulnerable around Osborn. She needs to find an ally.


or she could become Red She-Hulk and not be so vulnerable. :biggrin:

[Iron Theurge]

I'm thinking it's become very clear that because Norman is pushing going forward with his LIST, that Vicky is very aware that this is the beginning of the end for Norman her boss. Now is the time that she positions herself in the most complimentary way to cover herself. There is also the opportunity to manipulate the situation and give herself a life raft, for when it goes bad. Collect information on the Dark Reign and perform a coup de grace on Osborn to show herself to be the hero in all this. But she is so vulnerable around Osborn. She needs to find an ally. She needs to find James Barnes, and the New Avengers before this goes on too much longer, and get some back up muscle. Something like that.

hand would be a welcome replacement and would probably be a palatable leader of a govt-run team if she were able to take down more than just Osborne. If she were to betray the reviled Bullseye along with somehow keeping Venom underwraps or drugged up, she could well become the leader of a T-bolts/Dark Avengers like entity ..... hammer?

Incidentally, its probably been said before .... but doesn't hammer have vaguely Communist imagery? That's something you'd think the MU's American citizenry would want changed when change comes due. MU's President Obama would be doing himself a favor by changing back to Shield or some other moniker ..... how about BROAD SWORD?

Broad Renditional Operations, Anti-Terrorism, and De-proliferation and Sentient World Obersavtion and Response Department.

Combine Shield and Sword into one, given the public's memory of the recent alien Skrull invasion.

IT

[jackolover]

or she could become Red She-Hulk and not be so vulnerable. :biggrin:

What do you? Is it Hand?

[jackolover]

hand would be a welcome replacement and would probably be a palatable leader of a govt-run team if she were able to take down more than just Osborne. If she were to betray the reviled Bullseye along with somehow keeping Venom underwraps or drugged up, she could well become the leader of a T-bolts/Dark Avengers like entity ..... hammer?

IT

Seriously, I think the woman is screwed. Vicky is so attached at the hip to Norman she'd need a 12 hour operation to dissociate herself from what Norman has done.

I want her survive, just like I wanted Caeira to survive, but sometimes characters are expendable and it's up to Bendis to paint her into a 3 dimensional character. Right now, Bendis just uses Hand as a prop. Do this, do that, so that she doesn't really have any role other than a yes man.

[rawhidekid]

I just watched the videos on hulu. I enjoyed them but I wont buy the comics.

[jackolover]

You know what? I think I posted my Victoria Hand posts in the wrong thread. Sorry folks.