Has Dark Reign set record for most comic tie-ins?

[DamonO]

A couple of questions I'd like some feedback on.

1. Has Dark Reign set the record as the storyline with the most number of titles tieing in?

As you know, whenever Marvel does a big crossover or universe-wide storyline, there are a number of titles that tie-in and carry the tie-in banner on the cover. Secret Wars I and II, Maximum Security, Skrull Invasion, Civil War and so on all had their share. But has Dark Reign set the record?

2. Has Norman Osborn set the record as the villain who has appeared in more different Marvel titles than any other?

Pretty self-explanatory, as he seems to be everywhere these days.

[Aziz Abbasi]

Bigger than "Secret Invasion"?

[AllisterH]

I think Secret Wars II might actually hold that title...

And does this count the years when Marvel put out Annuals and every annual had to be tied to the same storyline (Atlantis Attacks fro example)

[Sighphi]

Bigger than "Secret Invasion"?

Yeah i think it beat it.
I mean the fact that they even had Mister Negative, Lethal Legion, and Zodiac Minis while pretty much being included in most books out there really throws some weight on DR.

Let's start a list to see what we get.

We also got a Venom one, Hood, Ares coming up, the List tie-ins

[Alan2099]

1. Has Dark Reign set the record as the storyline with the most number of titles tieing in?
I still think Secret Wars II holds that title.

2. Has Norman Osborn set the record as the villain who has appeared in more different Marvel titles than any other?
Nope. Dr. Doom. You're NOBODY if you haven't fought Dr. Doom yet.
I'm pretty sure that's on the check list you're given when you want to start being a new superhero. Right after "have origin" and "team-up with Spider-man".

[Sighphi]

I think Secret Wars II might actually hold that title...

And does this count the years when Marvel put out Annuals and every annual had to be tied to the same storyline (Atlantis Attacks fro example)

Lets just count tie-ins that came out while the event was happening because if we are going to include everything that was eventually tied....... i think we still got House of M stuff coming out. And those things are happening way too far outside the main storyline.

[Rev. Calibos]

I think Secret Wars II might actually hold that title...

And does this count the years when Marvel put out Annuals and every annual had to be tied to the same storyline (Atlantis Attacks fro example)

Atlantis Attacks, Evolutionary War, etc., those annuals were 11, 14 issue crossovers, tops.

I think even stories like Secret Wars II pale in comparison to the sheer mass of books one can buy to get the whole of Dark Reign.

[Alan2099]

Yeah, I just went to wiki and looked. Secret Wars II (not counting the main series) only had about 30 issues ttied in. Reign's got that beat.

[coconutphone]

Nope. Dr. Doom. You're NOBODY if you haven't fought Dr. Doom yet.
I'm pretty sure that's on the check list you're given when you want to start being a new superhero. Right after "have origin" and "team-up with Spider-man".

LOL Nice. Don't forget fight/team-up with Wolverine.

What about Onslaught? That seemed pretty wide-spread. But again those were more traditional crossovers. This is a branding like the Initiative which was on PLENTY of books.

[Sean Walsh]

Nope. Dr. Doom. You're NOBODY if you haven't fought Dr. Doom yet.

Might wanna check out a certain story on Newsarama's main page from today. :wink:

[Iron Theurge]

Naw .... its gotta be the Onslaught stuff. You'd also need to include the initial Heroes Reborn stuff, but that whole saga was very very status quo breaking (at least for awhile).

IT

[Expletive Deleted]

No idea. But the lists are all out there, so someone could just, y'know, count them.

Secret Invasion (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=198258)
Onslaught (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/time/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=64)
Civil War (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=132152)
Secret Wars II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars_II)
Dark Reign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Reign_%28comics%29)

[Alan2099]

Might wanna check out a certain story on Newsarama's main page from today. :wink:

Are you talking about the Dark Avengers vs Doom, or is there something else I'm missing?

[AllisterH]

But what do we consider a tie-in?

Take the recent Daredevil -The List tie-in. Forget Osborn, and it pretty much is a classic Daredevil/tHe Hand/Fisk/Bullseye chapter.

Osborn is only tangentially connected (the courts are corrupt are nothing new in Daredevil...see the Fisk years when he dominated the NYC underworld)

[invisiblefive]

212 titles with the dark reign banner on it,plus 33 titles directly linked to dark reign, bur no banner on it. that's 245 titles.

52 episodes for onslaught.not including heoes reborn. heroes reborn was 48 episodes. so if you decide to combine the two, that's a 100.


36 titles for secret wars 2.

115 titles for secret invasion.

so yeah, more titles for dark reign that for onslaught, secret wars 2 and secret invasion COMBINED!!!!!!:eek:

[RolandJP]

If you count the youtube song "Chocolate Reign" as a crossover. Perhaps.

[joemagnum611]

Dark Reign isn't really a crossover. It's just the state of the Marvel U after a huge crossover. Even if a book doesn't have the DR banner it's still reflected somehow in the storytelling.

[froinlaven]

A couple of questions I'd like some feedback on.

1. Has Dark Reign set the record as the storyline with the most number of titles tieing in?

As you know, whenever Marvel does a big crossover or universe-wide storyline, there are a number of titles that tie-in and carry the tie-in banner on the cover. Secret Wars I and II, Maximum Security, Skrull Invasion, Civil War and so on all had their share. But has Dark Reign set the record?

2. Has Norman Osborn set the record as the villain who has appeared in more different Marvel titles than any other?

Pretty self-explanatory, as he seems to be everywhere these days.

You obviously didn't read the $hit fest that wasFinal Crisis.

I counted 52 and Coundown as tie-in filler crap.

[paulski]

But just remember... it's supposedly "not an event"... :rolleyes:

[matthewaos]

First of all, is Dark Reign an event? Cause I don't think of it as an "event". I consider it as a general story that is the subject on many titles, though someone would argue that an event is exactly this. In any I think of it like the Initiative: The star of the book is going to deal with the registration, if there was a banner on the cover.

[coconutphone]

Exactly. I've said it a 1000 times (though not literally). It's not a crossover. It's a brand. It just shows that the title will at least tangetically deal with the aftermath of SI (usually Osborn).

[artiepants]

Dark Reign isn't really a crossover. It's just the state of the Marvel U after a huge crossover. Even if a book doesn't have the DR banner it's still reflected somehow in the storytelling.

Exactly, it's a marketing banner, not an event ~ the only thing "extra" is the various mini-series: the content of all the ongoing is just reflective of the state of the Marvel U. with Osborne as the Top cop (like how Tony Stark was after Civil War ~ even after The Initiative Banners came off the books, they still were reflective of that status quo)

[jarvSthe1]

212 titles with the dark reign banner on it,plus 33 titles directly linked to dark reign, bur no banner on it. that's 245 titles.

52 episodes for onslaught.not including heoes reborn. heroes reborn was 48 episodes. so if you decide to combine the two, that's a 100.


36 titles for secret wars 2.

115 titles for secret invasion.

so yeah, more titles for dark reign that for onslaught, secret wars 2 and secret invasion COMBINED!!!!!!:eek:
Damn. I guess Dark Reign is the event that has more tie-ins than any other.

Officially its not an even because JoeyQ has said its not. Unofficially it has the makings of an event so yes its an event.

[Iron Theurge]

Exactly. I've said it a 1000 times (though not literally). It's not a crossover. It's a brand. It just shows that the title will at least tangetically deal with the aftermath of SI (usually Osborn).

This is actually a good point. Its more just a man vs. the state/environment type story. And unfortunately for our heroes, Osborn and his hangers-on represent the state.

Venom and Bullseye are government agents. I love it and its one of the reasons I loved Thunderbolts post-Civil War.. :redface:

IT

[strathcona]

Damn. I guess Dark Reign is the event that has more tie-ins than any other.

Officially its not an even because JoeyQ has said its not. Unofficially it has the makings of an event so yes its an event.

Yeah, I love how people are still buying the line that it's not an event. Sorry, I don't care if it's a 'status quo' like everyone always says. We know it's a status quo with an expiration date. It will eventually end... so... once again, event. Plus, as shown in this thread, it has the largest, by far, number of crossover issues... People that are still saying it's not an event are completely blind.

[Jmacq1]

Every status quo has an expiration date, for the most part. But an "event" usually has a clear story running through all the books to some extent. That's not the case here. Osborn's actions in one title don't necessarily tie into events in another title or even in Dark Avengers (if you want to consider that the "main book" of the "event.") Likewise, the events in the "core book" of the event generally have little impact on Osborn's other appearances thus far.

So no, the people saying it's not really an "event" aren't blind. They just have a stricter definition of what qualifies as an "event."

[Sighphi]

So we dont go another five pages discussing this AGAIN.... lets call DR an new type of thing called... the "Status Event."

Because it shows signs of both a status quo and a event.

[strathcona]

So we dont go another five pages discussing this AGAIN.... lets call DR an new type of thing called... the "Status Event."

Because it shows signs of both a status quo and a event.

You're right. I have been in this argument about 5 times on here. The only point the non-eventers ever have going for them is 'Joe Q said it isn't an event'. Not going to waste my time again.

[jarvSthe1]

Every status quo has an expiration date, for the most part. But an "event" usually has a clear story running through all the books to some extent. That's not the case here. Osborn's actions in one title don't necessarily tie into events in another title or even in Dark Avengers (if you want to consider that the "main book" of the "event.") Likewise, the events in the "core book" of the event generally have little impact on Osborn's other appearances thus far.

So no, the people saying it's not really an "event" aren't blind. They just have a stricter definition of what qualifies as an "event."
Read any of the Infinity events, Avengers Dissassembled or Acts of Vengeance. The story on this event is that the bad guys are running the show.

[Blue Blazes]

So we dont go another five pages discussing this AGAIN.... lets call DR an new type of thing called... the "Status Event."

Because it shows signs of both a status quo and a event.

agreed, I think it is an amalgamation of a status quo and event. Especially now that some of the dark reign banners are coming off books, Iron Patriot and Osborn still appear in them. but it really doesnt matter in the long run, because its only temporary, only duration of "status event" is unknown.