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Robo Ape
09-14-2009, 02:02 PM
When she was created WW looked far more like what might be considered the average body shape for a women of the time. She was drawn in what could be considered in some ways a far more realistic way.

These days she is portrayed with same huge breasts and 'shapely' ass that nearly every other super-heroic female figure seems to be equipped with. I know she is unbelievably strong but does that mean automatically she should be so well equipped in the breast department, because as with Power Girl that's what it seems to equal. The stronger you are the bigger your breasts.:confused:

To me it's slightly disappointing that such an iconic character is given such standard body shape, well I suppose we should be thankful for the fact that at least she has far more of the classical Greek look than when she started out.

Gail Simone
09-14-2009, 02:08 PM
Wait.

Are you talking about Aaron Lopresti?

'Cause man, I don't see it. He draws an extremely beautiful, but also humanly attainable, Wonder Woman.

MinaRho1
09-14-2009, 02:11 PM
Wait.

Are you talking about Aaron Lopresti?

'Cause man, I don't see it. He draws an extremely beautiful, but also humanly attainable, Wonder Woman.

I loves me some Aaron Lopresti mainly for the way he draws women. No thongs, no buttcracks or needless boobcracks and balanced proportions. Before I took notice of his name, I thought the artist was a woman. It may sound offensive, but I mean it in the best possible way!

I think we need more artists like Ming Doyle. http://www.mingdoyle.com/illust/index.html
Beautifully drawn women, but without exploiting them. They're gorgeous but they look like athletes not pornstars. I can stare at MD's stuff for hours.

Robo Ape
09-14-2009, 02:19 PM
Wait.

Are you talking about Aaron Lopresti?

'Cause man, I don't see it. He draws an extremely beautiful, but also humanly attainable, Wonder Woman.

His style isn't really too my taste. Anyway I wasn't trying to single out any one artist but more make a general point about how I feel she is drawn.

PabloD
09-14-2009, 02:23 PM
I really like the Lopresti Wonder Woman. I like the muscles and the tone. It's also very much appreciated that he doesn't draw the bottom of Diana's costume riding up her butt.

Robo Ape
09-14-2009, 02:30 PM
I really like the Lopresti Wonder Woman. I like the muscles and the tone. It's also very much appreciated that he doesn't draw the bottom of Diana's costume riding up her butt.

With a few exceptions I generally prefer a rougher more realistic look, the only kind of example I could give in this area off the top of my head is some of the art on the The Boys.

nightforce
09-14-2009, 02:48 PM
I like Aaron's wo work but I prefer Terry Dodson and Rachael Dodson over his

MinaRho1
09-14-2009, 02:51 PM
I like Aaron's wo work but I prefer Terry Dodson and Rachael Dodson over his

The Dodsons are indeed awesome, but I think Lopresti draws better faces and expressions.

Spiffy
09-14-2009, 03:00 PM
I don't mind the current version of her that much, but I DO think the reason some think she's occasionally a bit cheesecakey is clear.

I get shit tossed at me everytime I mention this, but it all comes down to people identifying TOO much with the Lynda Carter version and not able to let go even a little. That version was lovely fun, but not DESIGNED to be taken seriously. The good of it was that it was fun and campy. The bad of it is that if its your sole vision of the character, it invites lots of comparisons.

To be fair, unlike the Lynda Carter-i-est versions, to be fair, the current one DOES have very good muscle tone. That makes a BIG difference. So she's got boobs? Eh. Big deal. As long as she's CLEARLY an athlete, I can deal.

I actually liked this version a lot:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0811/18/wonderwoman27.jpg

I think its quite lovely, and not so "in your face" in the way a lot of comic book women are. Obviously she's still beautiful (beauty of Aphrodite, and all that...) but she's more althletic and less... bountiful.

Of course Quitely is very stylized, and can't do faces if his life depended on it, but... just as a general aesthetic "look" that slightly different but still very identifiably Wonder Woman, I think that's cool.

MinaRho1
09-14-2009, 03:13 PM
I don't mind the current version of her that much, but I DO think the reason some think she's occasionally a bit cheesecakey is clear.

I get shit tossed at me everytime I mention this, but it all comes down to people identifying TOO much with the Lynda Carter version and not able to let go even a little. That version was lovely fun, but not DESIGNED to be taken seriously. The good of it was that it was fun and campy. The bad of it is that if its your sole vision of the character, it invites lots of comparisons.

To be fair, unlike the Lynda Carter-i-est versions, to be fair, the current one DOES have very good muscle tone. That makes a BIG difference. So she's got boobs? Eh. Big deal. As long as she's CLEARLY an athlete, I can deal.

I actually liked this version a lot:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0811/18/wonderwoman27.jpg

I think its quite lovely, and not so "in your face" in the way a lot of comic book women are. Obviously she's still beautiful (beauty of Aphrodite, and all that...) but she's more althletic and less... bountiful.

Of course Quitely is very stylized, and can't do faces if his life depended on it, but... just as a general aesthetic "look" that slightly different but still very identifiably Wonder Woman, I think that's cool.

I love that picture. I can't judge the expression or the artist's ability to draw faces by that. I think the face looks fine. Its a pose that doesn't require much emoting, I guess?

I will take devil's advocate and say that its easy to fall into the trap of taking Wonder Woman too seriusly.
the campy fun of Wonder Woman is a nice break sometimes-- a little goes a long way. Some people want Wonder Woman to be a romantic comedy, or slapstick. I think others go too far into the 300 approach, which is JUST as campy, people just don't realize it. I would rather a more versatile approach to Wonder Woman. I like action dramedies.

If there's room in Superman for the angsty, thrilling and absurd, there's room in Diana's stories too.

Gaelforce
09-14-2009, 03:20 PM
I just want her to be drawn taller.

She's an Amazon. She should stand taller than most of the DCU women yet is almost always drawn at the same height. Hell, she should be taller than some of the guys!

I still remember a panel from an issue from the first run. If I remember correctly, it's when her bracelets were stolen and she went nuts. She was shown later sitting in the police station with this officer in front of her. When she stood up, he was suddenly staring at her chest. The look on his face was priceless.

Lopresti does a great job drawing her as a beautiful, sexy woman without objectifying her with huge breasts, tons of cleavage and a bare ass hangin' out. Well done :)

Kevenn
09-14-2009, 04:42 PM
Well, Wonder Woman's powers are MAGICAL. They're not a result of heavy exercize, so there's really no reason to draw her as a roided out athlete. I think it's much more "wondrous" to see a woman who looks beautiful but has a healthy figure accomplish great feats, than another Xena or Red Sonja or She-Hulk. We already have those characters for rough and tough "badass" women. Wonder Woman is supposed to be feminine. That's what's so amazing about her. She IS "girly." AND can kick your ass when diplomacy fails.

As much as you want to deride Lynda Carter for being silly and campy, she was feminine. THAT was the Wonder Woman that captured (and still does) the love of so many women and young girls. They saw themselves or a best friend in Wonder Woman who could do awesome things. I find it hard to believe that most women are going to identify as much with a Wonder Woman built like Corey Everson. That's what other characters are for.

Deus ex Chris
09-14-2009, 04:54 PM
Well, Wonder Woman's powers are MAGICAL. They're not a result of heavy exercize, so there's really no reason to draw her as a roided out athlete.
That's true, but she's also an Amazon. She's been intensively training and pushing herself since she was physically able. She should have an athletic body not one that's all round and soft.

MinaRho1
09-14-2009, 05:15 PM
Well, Wonder Woman's powers are MAGICAL. They're not a result of heavy exercize, so there's really no reason to draw her as a roided out athlete. I think it's much more "wondrous" to see a woman who looks beautiful but has a healthy figure accomplish great feats, than another Xena or Red Sonja or She-Hulk. We already have those characters for rough and tough "badass" women. Wonder Woman is supposed to be feminine. That's what's so amazing about her. She IS "girly." AND can kick your ass when diplomacy fails.

As much as you want to deride Lynda Carter for being silly and campy, she was feminine. THAT was the Wonder Woman that captured (and still does) the love of so many women and young girls. They saw themselves or a best friend in Wonder Woman who could do awesome things. I find it hard to believe that most women are going to identify as much with a Wonder Woman built like Corey Everson. That's what other characters are for.

I don't think anyone is implying that she be roided out. And its possible to be athletic and feminine at the same time. I agree with Christopher O. She fights superpowered beings on a regular basis, she's incredibly busy and active. In any incarnation of Wondy she's worked hard to hone her skills.

We're not talking about any extremes here.

And also, Lynda was very athletic and feminine. Do people actually remember what Lynda was like on the show?

CARTER: We did an episode where there was a bunch of football players, and I've forgotten exactly what happened, but they all sort of go crazy and Wonder Woman has to go in and flip them and do this and do that. I'd been working with these stunt people for a lot of years. And the director comes over, OK, now Lynda's is going to come over here, and she will just flip you right other here. But there will be a mattress.

He said, ain't no woman gonna flip me! He said, forget it. And I said -- he said, she couldn't do it if she tried. And so I just -- I kind of winked at the cameraman. And they started rolling. I said, let me just try. And they start rolling. He didn't know it was rolling. And it's just leverage, really.

KING: You threw him?

CARTER: I threw him. Whoop.

Spiffy
09-14-2009, 05:16 PM
Well, Wonder Woman's powers are MAGICAL. They're not a result of heavy exercize, so there's really no reason to draw her as a roided out athlete. I think it's much more "wondrous" to see a woman who looks beautiful but has a healthy figure accomplish great feats, than another Xena or Red Sonja or She-Hulk. We already have those characters for rough and tough "badass" women. Wonder Woman is supposed to be feminine. That's what's so amazing about her. She IS "girly." AND can kick your ass when diplomacy fails.

As much as you want to deride Lynda Carter for being silly and campy, she was feminine. THAT was the Wonder Woman that captured (and still does) the love of so many women and young girls. They saw themselves or a best friend in Wonder Woman who could do awesome things. I find it hard to believe that most women are going to identify as much with a Wonder Woman built like Corey Everson. That's what other characters are for.
See? As predicted I'm taking shit.

I'd not deriding Lynda Carter (I didn't use the word "silly"... YOU did), nor am I claiming Wonder Woman should look like the WWE's Chyna (or whoever her current equivalent is, I think she's gone). I'm simply stating an opinion that Wonder Woman existed LONG before Carter, and yet since that portrayal people have a lot of trouble putting that one vision of the character aside. Superman has the same problem to some extent with Chris Reeve, and casting a modern replacement because they could make him look like Chris, but even still Superman in the comics actually doesn't LOOK all that much like Chris, plus there are the older George Reeves and current Smallville versions for more variety. And Batman... well... people seem to have shaken any inclination to think he needs to look just like Adam West, right?

Okay, this is all getting sidetracked from the main topic here. I think the current version is just fine, although as some have pointed out I don't think she can occasionally look different if you include portrayals outside her own book. We can take the costume debate elsewhere (and its already there) but just her figure? Its fine. She doesn't look weak. That matters to me more than the size of her boobs--I've said that already in previous posts.

Ah. But now we get back to the insistence that saying she needs to look strong is equivalent to saying she needs to look like a wrestler. No. No it doesn't. Take whatshername from that Biggest Loser show (goes and Googles... okay, her name is Jillian Michaels). I saw her on the Today show and remember being struck by how short she is. And clearly she's no more than 120 pounds. So that's clearly NOT female wrestler territory. But the woman looks strong. Maybe its just attitude, I don't know. Diana being taller ("because she's an Amazon", as some argue) is a position I'm not against, although its not a dealbreaker I guess. But just because there's magic involved, it doesn't mean she's going to look soft. It's the same thing as with Superman and the "his powers come from the Sun" stuff. I don't completely buy it. Sure, the powers do. But he's still got a body that because its been made strong, he uses vigorously. Repetitive movement forms muscles, even if the core strength behind those movements originally came from some other source. Now in Wonder Woman's case, even if we argue that her muscles are more efficient, thus need to be less bulky, they're still going to be VISIBLE, and I doubt she'd have any cellulite either. She'd be lean, as an overall tendency at least, and not rounded. I just don't see what else makes sense.

nightforce
09-14-2009, 07:49 PM
The Dodsons are indeed awesome, but I think Lopresti draws better faces and expressions.


You are right about that.

:smile:

thawrecka
09-15-2009, 01:59 AM
I don't think her figure at her introduction was all that realistic, either, frankly.

3D Master
09-15-2009, 03:59 AM
I don't mind the current version of her that much, but I DO think the reason some think she's occasionally a bit cheesecakey is clear.

I get shit tossed at me everytime I mention this, but it all comes down to people identifying TOO much with the Lynda Carter version and not able to let go even a little. That version was lovely fun, but not DESIGNED to be taken seriously. The good of it was that it was fun and campy. The bad of it is that if its your sole vision of the character, it invites lots of comparisons.

To be fair, unlike the Lynda Carter-i-est versions, to be fair, the current one DOES have very good muscle tone. That makes a BIG difference. So she's got boobs? Eh. Big deal. As long as she's CLEARLY an athlete, I can deal.

I actually liked this version a lot:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0811/18/wonderwoman27.jpg

I think its quite lovely, and not so "in your face" in the way a lot of comic book women are. Obviously she's still beautiful (beauty of Aphrodite, and all that...) but she's more althletic and less... bountiful.

Of course Quitely is very stylized, and can't do faces if his life depended on it, but... just as a general aesthetic "look" that slightly different but still very identifiably Wonder Woman, I think that's cool.

???

She looks like an anorexic stick figure, a skeleton with skin wrapped around her... actually, she looks like a Grey who spent too much time in a tanning booth.

AllisterH
09-15-2009, 06:34 AM
How many different body types _ARE_ there among Women superheroes?

Hell, how many types are there among MALE superheroes?

The Mirrorball Man
09-15-2009, 06:49 AM
As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with a little cheesecake in comics here and there. It's a very innocent form of self-indulgence. I see no reason why Wonder Woman should be immune to that.

Wonder Watcher
09-15-2009, 07:42 AM
When she was created WW looked far more like what might be considered the average body shape for a women of the time. She was drawn in what could be considered in some ways a far more realistic way.

These days she is portrayed with same huge breasts and 'shapely' ass that nearly every other super-heroic female figure seems to be equipped with. I know she is unbelievably strong but does that mean automatically she should be so well equipped in the breast department, because as with Power Girl that's what it seems to equal. The stronger you are the bigger your breasts.:confused:

To me it's slightly disappointing that such an iconic character is given such standard body shape, well I suppose we should be thankful for the fact that at least she has far more of the classical Greek look than when she started out.Times change.

Today's Superheroine bodies are standardly exceptional and if Wonder Woman was portrayed now with an average woman's body, well aesthetically it just wouldn't work.

She's drawn the way she is because as well as everything else she's supposed to have the 'beauty of Aphrodite', which means she is going to be a physically 'perfect' beauty.

The medial tells us that today 'perfect' means slim with large breasts, long legs and a tight rear end. Wonder Woman is generally drawn like that but with a bit of athleticism thrown in to the mix.

The problem isn't Wonder Woman, who I believe should look how she does, but that all the other heroines are (more or less) physically perfect too so there's less differentiation.

And Aaron Lopresti is actually very conservative.

Xeres
09-15-2009, 08:14 AM
No it doesn't disappoint me. Part of the appeal of movies and comics and such is the escape from the "real". We're surrounded by "real" all the time and so a little sensationalism here and there is fine IMO.

MinaRho1
09-15-2009, 08:23 AM
Times change.

Today's Superheroine bodies are standardly exceptional and if Wonder Woman was portrayed now with an average woman's body, well aesthetically it just wouldn't work.

She's drawn the way she is because as well as everything else she's supposed to have the 'beauty of Aphrodite', which means she is going to be a physically 'perfect' beauty.

The medial tells us that today 'perfect' means slim with large breasts, long legs and a tight rear end. Wonder Woman is generally drawn like that but with a bit of athleticism thrown in to the mix.

The problem isn't Wonder Woman, who I believe should look how she does, but that all the other heroines are (more or less) physically perfect too so there's less differentiation.

And Aaron Lopresti is actually very conservative.

Don't forget one of the things the comic code authority banned aside from homoeroticism, political leanings, and darkness were exaggerated body proportions. Once the code was thrown out the window you were bound to get some artists that went crazy with the sudden freedom.

I *do* sometimes wish they'd come back and make a special ban against Rob Liefield but you can't have everything.

There are a few artists who are moving away from the thong and blowup doll days though. I love that Terry Dodson drew the panties low enough to cover Diana's butt. And the bustier was higher. That was a conscious choice on his part, according to an interview I read. Aaron took it even further, drawing a believable, beautiful and strong woman.

I'm not agains a *little* sexiness and cheesecake. But they shouldn't look like rejects from Rock of Love, either.

leagueofone
09-15-2009, 09:35 AM
Don't forget one of the things the comic code authority banned aside from homoeroticism, political leanings, and darkness were exaggerated body proportions. Once the code was thrown out the window you were bound to get some artists that went crazy with the sudden freedom.

I *do* sometimes wish they'd come back and make a special ban against Rob Liefield but you can't have everything.

There are a few artists who are moving away from the thong and blowup doll days though. I love that Terry Dodson drew the panties low enough to cover Diana's butt. And the bustier was higher. That was a conscious choice on his part, according to an interview I read. Aaron took it even further, drawing a believable, beautiful and strong woman.

I'm not agains a *little* sexiness and cheesecake. But they shouldn't look like rejects from Rock of Love, either.

You're attitude is admirable.

But I must say, speaking only for myself, that I enjoy the extra sex appeal. As long as they portray WW as being strong and smart, the eye candy is just a bonus:biggrin:

PabloD
09-15-2009, 10:23 AM
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0811/18/wonderwoman27.jpg

This is Quitely? Hmmmm. It actually looks pretty different from his Wonder Woman in JLA: Earth 2. There he drew her to look very musclebound and serious, more so than Lopresti, I think. He also gave her a bit of a square-jawed look, somewhat resembling the one he gives to his male characters.

Wonder Watcher
09-15-2009, 01:25 PM
You're attitude is admirable.

But I must say, speaking only for myself, that I enjoy the extra sex appeal. As long as they portray WW as being strong and smart, the eye candy is just a bonus:biggrin:
I agree, nothing wrong with sex appeal.

MinaRho1
09-15-2009, 01:46 PM
I agree, nothing wrong with sex appeal.

I think she already has sex appeal. What people see as the conservative pencilling is already pretty darn hot. Anything more is overkill.

Freakzeek
09-15-2009, 06:18 PM
No I actually like how she's drawn now even more

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww318/Freakzeek_2009/cowgirlwonderwoman.jpg

The Mirrorball Man
09-15-2009, 08:27 PM
I think she already has sex appeal. What people see as the conservative pencilling is already pretty darn hot. Anything more is overkill.

Surely there is more than one correct way to draw the character.

Tyr
09-15-2009, 09:17 PM
I agree, nothing wrong with sex appeal.

I third that, I think shes great nowadays, I like how Bruce Timm, Terry Dodson, and Aaron Lopresti has drawn her. If you really want to complain about Diana's look, then you should see some of the stuff they drew in the 90's....

Better yet let me show you....

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3646/3dd7wa1.jpg

NYGiants167
09-15-2009, 09:20 PM
I don't like the traditional Wonder Woman attire, my favorite Woman Woman costume was the Alex Ross Kingdom Come and Jim Lee one where she has that battle armor on. Now that is what a Amazon would wear

DHacker615
09-15-2009, 10:50 PM
When she was created WW looked far more like what might be considered the average body shape for a women of the time. She was drawn in what could be considered in some ways a far more realistic way.

These days she is portrayed with same huge breasts and 'shapely' ass that nearly every other super-heroic female figure seems to be equipped with. I know she is unbelievably strong but does that mean automatically she should be so well equipped in the breast department, because as with Power Girl that's what it seems to equal. The stronger you are the bigger your breasts.:confused:

To me it's slightly disappointing that such an iconic character is given such standard body shape, well I suppose we should be thankful for the fact that at least she has far more of the classical Greek look than when she started out.

I think H.G. Peter was trying to draw Wonder Woman as an attractive woman. Based on the drawings that I have seen, I would guess that he wanted her to look like a movie star with a Classical Greek look. So, the idea of Wonder Woman as a beauty has been there from the beginning.

Film actresses looked very different in the '30s than they do today. For one thing, they tended to have smaller breasts before implants surgeries. It feels a little odd to see Diana modeled on women who have altered their bodies surgically.

Darwyn Cooke had a nice character design for WW in NEW FRONTIER. She was busty, but she was also large all over. She had some commonality with Lucy Lawless, which seemed smart. The other direction would be to model her body on an Olympic athlete, like Amanda Beard.

That said, Aaron Lopresti is doing a pretty good job on the current series. I have seen much more absurd versions of WW. Moreover, Amanda Conner is knocking it out of the park on Power Girl every month. Her character design for PG makes total anatomical sense.

Wonder Watcher
09-16-2009, 02:55 AM
I think she already has sex appeal. What people see as the conservative pencilling is already pretty darn hot. Anything more is overkill.Obviously everyone's tastes are different. In my opinion there's room for different interpretations and yes, even Cheesecake now and again.

meek?
09-16-2009, 12:15 PM
Well, Wonder Woman's powers are MAGICAL. They're not a result of heavy exercize, so there's really no reason to draw her as a roided out athlete. I think it's much more "wondrous" to see a woman who looks beautiful but has a healthy figure accomplish great feats, than another Xena or Red Sonja or She-Hulk. We already have those characters for rough and tough "badass" women. Wonder Woman is supposed to be feminine. That's what's so amazing about her. She IS "girly." AND can kick your ass when diplomacy fails.

As much as you want to deride Lynda Carter for being silly and campy, she was feminine. THAT was the Wonder Woman that captured (and still does) the love of so many women and young girls. They saw themselves or a best friend in Wonder Woman who could do awesome things. I find it hard to believe that most women are going to identify as much with a Wonder Woman built like Corey Everson. That's what other characters are for.

Agree w/ the whole post.

What I don't like is when she's drawn w/ a body too close to that of a dude and w/ an average face.

She should look like a superhero AND a woman, toned but w/ curves and all. The most beautiful woman @ that. She should look like the ultimate and unattainable-looking female that other women aspire to be or wish they could be. And there's nothing wrong w/ that since she is "Wonder Woman" and not "Average Woman." That's something Lynda accomplished.

Peace.

meek?
09-16-2009, 12:20 PM
And also, Lynda was very athletic and feminine. Do people actually remember what Lynda was like on the show?

CARTER: We did an episode where there was a bunch of football players, and I've forgotten exactly what happened, but they all sort of go crazy and Wonder Woman has to go in and flip them and do this and do that. I'd been working with these stunt people for a lot of years. And the director comes over, OK, now Lynda's is going to come over here, and she will just flip you right other here. But there will be a mattress.

He said, ain't no woman gonna flip me! He said, forget it. And I said -- he said, she couldn't do it if she tried. And so I just -- I kind of winked at the cameraman. And they started rolling. I said, let me just try. And they start rolling. He didn't know it was rolling. And it's just leverage, really.

KING: You threw him?

CARTER: I threw him. Whoop.


Ha! Awesome.

Peace.

MinaRho1
09-16-2009, 12:45 PM
Ha! Awesome.

Peace.

I heart Lynda. Now and forever.

Robo Ape
09-16-2009, 01:49 PM
Times change.

Today's Superheroine bodies are standardly exceptional and if Wonder Woman was portrayed now with an average woman's body, well aesthetically it just wouldn't work.

She's drawn the way she is because as well as everything else she's supposed to have the 'beauty of Aphrodite', which means she is going to be a physically 'perfect' beauty.

The medial tells us that today 'perfect' means slim with large breasts, long legs and a tight rear end. Wonder Woman is generally drawn like that but with a bit of athleticism thrown in to the mix.

The problem isn't Wonder Woman, who I believe should look how she does, but that all the other heroines are (more or less) physically perfect too so there's less differentiation.

And Aaron Lopresti is actually very conservative.

That was an interesting issue of The Boys recently having a dig at this seeming body fascism of super-heroic characters. But then that's a whole of what this title is about, pointing out the many conventions & standardisations of the modern super-hero title.

Red Mask
09-19-2009, 12:38 AM
I always thought American superheroes were traditionally in athletic shape because it emphasizes their ideals of greatness. There is an overall trend of things growing bigger, in respect to them becoming better. This happens in athletics too.

I have no problem with Diana looking fit and toned because I'd expect that of an Amazonian culture that doesn't have men doing the labor. They also have no machines to aide in heavy work. They're also a warrior culture so all that training will show in their physique. Muscles will develop over that time. It's natural that way.

Red Mask
09-19-2009, 12:43 AM
The problem isn't Wonder Woman, who I believe should look how she does, but that all the other heroines are (more or less) physically perfect too so there's less differentiation.

And Aaron Lopresti is actually very conservative.

That's where I appreciate Perez' efforts to draw more variety in characters. Zatanna doesn't need to look athletic because she's a powerful magician. Heroes who can fly are expected to be slim because it helps with their aerodynamics. However, I do believe they need to be overall healthy. A healthy body does aide a healthy mind.

TheMuertoCorpse
09-19-2009, 08:15 AM
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I actually liked this version a lot:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0811/18/wonderwoman27.jpg

I think its quite lovely, and not so "in your face" in the way a lot of comic book women are. Obviously she's still beautiful (beauty of Aphrodite, and all that...) but she's more althletic and less... bountiful.

.



We truly have two different concepts of what beautiful is.
In my opinion, that is one very ugly WW.

Quitely should never ever draw Wondy.

C. Earl
09-19-2009, 08:47 AM
Everyone has their own opinions and preferences for how Wonder Woman should look. Personally, I prefer her to be very curvy, but also very tall and with noticeable muscle tone. She doesn't have to have boobs the size of watermelons, a twig-like waist, and some serious booty, but I don't want her to be flat as a board either, because that's just simply taking her to the other extreme.

I think Lopresti (and occasional fill-in artist Bernard Chang) do a great job finding that right balance, IMO...

Noah0z
09-19-2009, 09:15 PM
I don't really have a problem with the way she's drawn 90% of the time these days. I still shake my head when I come across a thonged WW issue in my collection.

AaronJ
09-19-2009, 09:27 PM
I think H.G. Peter was trying to draw Wonder Woman as an attractive woman. Based on the drawings that I have seen, I would guess that he wanted her to look like a movie star with a Classical Greek look. So, the idea of Wonder Woman as a beauty has been there from the beginning.

Well, IMO, he failed. And how did she look at all Greek?


Film actresses looked very different in the '30s than they do today. For one thing, they tended to have smaller breasts before implants surgeries. It feels a little odd to see Diana modeled on women who have altered their bodies surgically.

That's an odd comment.

If you think about the biggest actresses today, there really aren't any out there with porn-star measurements.

I'm not at all sure where this idea that mainstream actresses look like Jenna Jameson, circa 2000, comes from.


Anyhow, as to the original question, Diana should embody (literally, in this case) the ideal of female beauty. Now, how that's interpreted is going to be up to the artist individually. But that should always be the goal, given that she has the Beauty of Aphrodite.

Leto
09-20-2009, 08:34 AM
In regards to the Frank Quitely Wonder Woman cover, there was an interview he gave where he basically said he forgot about till the last minute and hammered it out in 10 hours. That's why it's so basic in composition and design and at a weird angle.

It's not Quitely at his best.

RealWonderman
09-20-2009, 08:45 AM
His style isn't really too my taste. Anyway I wasn't trying to single out any one artist but more make a general point about how I feel she is drawn.

Thanks the GODS the characters, expecially Wonder Woman, look different than they did in the 30's and 40's! They were cartoons!!!! The art has become more sophisticated, and it's beautiful! And Wonder Woman right now is the most beautifully drawn character out there!!!