How old is Wonder Woman?

[show name]

Does anyone know around what year the current continuity Diana was sculpted from clay and given life? Obviously her mother and sisters have been around for quite some time but I was wondering if Diana is also one of the much-older-than-she-looks Amazons.

So, was she "born" 25, 30, 100...1,000 years ago?

[BatmanX]

I think WW is n her thousands....

[knowwonder]

This is still up for debate, and I do believe it's intricately tied to the question of whether or not Diana was the Golden Age Wonder Woman in this skewed continuity.

As she is an immortal, I'd prefer if she were at least a few hundred years old.....

[MinaRho1]

This is still up for debate, and I do believe it's intricately tied to the question of whether or not Diana was the Golden Age Wonder Woman in this skewed continuity.

As she is an immortal, I'd prefer if she were at least a few hundred years old.....

She spent about 1000 years in valhalla. I say she's at least 1050.

[PabloD]

I was always under the impression that she became Wonder Woman when she was 18 (which would probably mean she's in her early to mid thirties now?), although in retrospect, I'm not entirely sure where I got that from.

[RealWonderman]

Does anyone know around what year the current continuity Diana was sculpted from clay and given life? Obviously her mother and sisters have been around for quite some time but I was wondering if Diana is also one of the much-older-than-she-looks Amazons.

So, was she "born" 25, 30, 100...1,000 years ago?

Time doesn't work the same on PI, does it? So her 100's or 1000's of years there really only aged her to 18 or so...so she's probably somewhere in her late 20's, early 30's by our standards...maybe...

[Bound4olympus]

I know i'm going to sound like a crazy person, but I would put Diana at like 26 maybe even 25. Bear with me here. I'm not exactly sure where I heard this but I think we're opperating under the idea the the JLA began "10 years ago" with everyone remaining thier current age as time goes on. If this is the case, then who's to say Diana left when she was 18? That age only holds significance here in the US. On Themiscira, one would most likely be considered a woman at a much younger age.It would make sense at that age for Diana to be defiant of her mother and want to prove how grown up she was by entering the contest. Can't you just hear her saying "MOM im not a kid anymore, I'm 15!" lol kids.

Diana of course being raised by 3000 year old women would probably be much more mature than the average teen making it pretty easy for her to fit in with older men like supes and bats. Looking back at Perez's Wonder Woman, it's easy to believe a teen would be that bright eyed and joyful, and looking to todays Wonder Woman it would makes so much sense (at least to me) for her to be going through an identity crisis, as many people do in thier mid/late 20's. 25 was a hard year for me :frown: So to me it would make perfect sense that she would be going through some of the things that she is dealing with right now.

[Spiffy]

I was always under the impression that she became Wonder Woman when she was 18 (which would probably mean she's in her early to mid thirties now?), although in retrospect, I'm not entirely sure where I got that from.
I'm not sure there's all that much to support it, OTHER than that questionable "Hippolyta as WWII Wonder Woman" stuff.

We know the other Amazons are VERY old. Diana came along some time later compared to their origins, and yet there's really no reason at all to think she isn't just as immortal as them (possibly more, given her magical god-enhanced birth) . So even if the others are thousands of years old and she isn't... she could still be ALMOST as old, and other than the Hippy as WW part, it would all "still work".

I forget (its been eons since I read any of the material). If Hippolyta was WWII Wonder Woman, was it explicitly stated/shown that Diana wasn't already around, simply running around Themyscira at that same time?

[lariatofhestia]

Time for immortals usually does not go by as it does for mortals. I think Diana is young in terms of the Patriarch's world. Between 25 and 30. If she was thousands of years old there is no way she would be naive or even considering Tom...lol...gal might have some notches on her belt already or a girlfriend.

That's why to me Perez reboot made sense with the contest and Diana's youth and optimism.

[Mars Getsoian]

Perez gives her birth as the 30th centennial of Paradise Island (40th would have worked a lot better, but c'est la vie), and she was named after a WWII pilot, so the other amazons are all about 3000 years old, and Diana can't have been older than 40 when she left the island. As Perez renders her she's more like 20, plus or minus a couple years, which would be fitting given Clark and Bruce started in their early 20s as well. Which, really, should make her roughly mid-forties, now, with standard timeline compression and the pushback of her origin, but DC just lopped about ten to twenty years off everybody again (I still can't believe Kreisberg's trying to sell me a Canary who listened to Nirvana in her youth) so probably she's more like thirty officially. Plus 1000 years in Valhalla, so 1030.

She's got that Wisdom of Athena and Beauty of Aphrodite and Immortal Race of Amazons stuff going, though, so it should matter for her a lot less than most heroes - she really ought to just be timeless, at this point.

[PabloD]

I went back and read the first issue of Pérez's run, and I notice that the Amazons were apparently created in 1200 BC. It is true that they say Diana was born on the 30th centennial of their creation, but the math would mean that that was at some point during the 18th century, and that doesn't jive with the idea of Diana being named after Steve Trevor's mom (as was revealed later on). So I...don't know. Looks like there is some discrepancy within the comics themselves.

[Phil Jimenez]

If memory serves, Diana wa 18 or 19 when she left for Patriarch's World during the Perez run; John Byrne later upped that age to 22. I'm not sure, post-Infinite Crisis, if that's any different, but it's probably not far off (if she's been in Man's World 12 years now, per JLA continuity, she's probably pushing 30, if not passed it).

[Flâneur]

I always lean toward the idea of Diana being hundreds of years old even before the 1000 years in Valhalla. She's an immortal from a culture of immortals so trying to pin an age on her on a par with us is a bit silly.

She'd still be able to be naivete about man's world as well, and sex. If you've ever seen an eighty year old react with horror about facebook or realising they spoke to a queer person then you can realise that you can have been around the block and still be shocked by something new. Plus, if we're going with the idea that everyone on the island considered her a daughter then she's not going to have hooked up there (though the gods she worships do have funny ideas about sex in the family so who knows?).

[ClaudioPozas]

Phil's right. She was about 18-22 when she won the contest and went to Patriarch's World, and she grew up normally during that time. That would put her at about 30-34, still younger than Clark and Bruce, but nowhere near a youngster.

In fact, I prefer if her "immortality" is based on staying in Paradise Island, not inherent to her. Sure, she can age more slowly (like, say, Elle McPherson :grin: ), but I prefer her not to be a true immortal.

[Wonder Watcher]

Yep, Phil is correct, I think she was 19 when she left Themyscira the first time. So, allowing for DC years she's about 30.

BTW, the 'Valhalla' story wasn't real time.

[DeltaBadhand]

Comic book time so confusing. Let's say for the sake of arguement Diana's chronologically 30 --actually born/sculpted and given life 30 years ago. And assuming when she was born she was immortal (whether she is or not now) and that that effects the aging process from birth to when she left the island, then how old does she seem to someone (visually) compared to a normal 30 year old? Like a 20 year old?

So how the heck old are Donna and Cassie?

Wasn't Donna already at least 20 when Diana came on the scene? So she's also 30? But she she look like a real world 30?

And Cassie was was 15, when she first started wearing the wig and all. So if that was when Diana had been here for 4 years, then Cassie is 21 or so now.

So Diana and Cassie are only 9 or so years apart in age?

All of the DC books introduce these younger characters in the hero families and they let them age for story purposes where they HAVE to be close to the age of the oldest hero. Then to re-mine the hero-coming-of-age story, they introduce another young teen. Yet the first young character is still supposed to be you and the oldest character is supposed to be relatively young too.

I don't even want to try to figure out how old the Robins, Nightwing and Dick Grayson are!

[ClaudioPozas]

Batman: Year One placed Batman's starting age at about 23. Add in 14 years as Batman and you're looking at a 37-year-old Bruce Wayne. If we assume Bruce is the oldest of the Trinity (just feels right), Diana should about 35.

Robin debuted in Year Three, so he's had 11 years as a superhero. If we place his starting age at about 10-12, Dick would be 21-23 by now. This should be Donna's age, as well.

Cassie is about the same age as Tim Drake and Conner Kent, putting her in the 17-year-old camp.

So, approximatedly:
Wonder Woman: 35
Donna Troy: 22
Wonder Girl: 17

[DeltaBadhand]

But Claudio, Donna can't be 22 now. If Wonder Woman has been in man's world 10 years since the Perez relaunch, then Donna would have had to have been 12 when Diana got here. There's no way Donna was less than 18-20 years old (let alone 12) at that point!

Not saying I'm right and you're not. I guess I am saying there's no way at all to make all the math work out all the way around.

[DeltaBadhand]

and wow Claudio, peaked at your gallery on your site. Your work is so beautiful!

[ClaudioPozas]

But Claudio, Donna can't be 22 now. If Wonder Woman has been in man's world 10 years since the Perez relaunch, then Donna would have had to have been 12 when Diana got here. There's no way Donna was less than 18-20 years old (let alone 12) at that point!

Not saying I'm right and you're not. I guess I am saying there's no way at all to make all the math work out all the way around.
But the current continuity restablished Diana as a founder of the Justice League, with Donna as a sidekick back then. Yes, this makes the whole Titans of Myth/Troia angle superfluous, since it allows for the original origin of Diana rescuing Donna from a fire.

And thanks! :smile:

[Personamanx]

Cut her Arm off, and count the Rings.

[PabloD]

I think DC usually plays their sliding timescale as closer to 15-20 years since the inception of the modern superhero age (whereas Marvel does it about 10-15), especially in this era where they make so much emphasis on heroes' histories and legacies and the places they've occupied in the DC Universe. It's kind of weird to think some of these guys have been putting on tights to punch people in the face for (almost) 20 years now.

[ClaudioPozas]

Unless the law in the DCU is different from the real-world, Pete Ross was at least 35 when he served as Vice-President of the USA under Luthor. Even if Luthor was removed after 3 years and Pete resigned soon after, this would put him at least in the 39-year-old category. Which leads to Clark Kent being 39-40.

[Kyle Sing]

This is still up for debate, and I do believe it's intricately tied to the question of whether or not Diana was the Golden Age Wonder Woman in this skewed continuity.

As she is an immortal, I'd prefer if she were at least a few hundred years old.....

Just my opinion, but Diana should be a couple thousand years old. Of course, she also should be the Wonder Woman who fought in WWII to defeat the Nazis in Man's World and then returned again to Man's World in the "modern era". But I won;t get on my high-horse on that one.

I suppose it is possible for Diana to still be that old considering I think it was either Byrne or Jimenez that established that Themyscira exists outside of time.

I always felt it was right that Diana existed throughout history leaving the island now and then to battle evil in Man's World.

Peace,

Kyle