Donna Troy Fans Rejoice!

[Gail Simone]

Cool stuff IS coming. I've been talking with James Robinson, and man, Donna is going to get a fantastic spotlight and LOTS of questions will be answered, INCLUDING the origin of a certain silver lasso... ;)

[Free-Man]

Cool stuff IS coming. I've been talking with James Robinson, and man, Donna is going to get a fantastic spotlight and LOTS of questions will be answered, INCLUDING the origin of a certain silver lasso... ;)

A year ago that would've been greatnews to me....but after looking at CRJ....I dunno...:frown:

[FeminineMystique]

Really? I'm guessing this'll be happening in JLA where she's going to be part of the team?

[4PointOh]

A year ago that would've been greatnews to me....but after looking at CRJ....I dunno...:frown:

CRJ is a horribly written, beautifully drawn book, but STARMAN was genius. So I say JLA has a 50/50 shot at being a great book.

[ScottyQuick]

CRJ is a horribly written, beautifully drawn book, but STARMAN was genius. So I say JLA has a 50/50 shot at being a great book.

The man's written like 100 good comics and 7 bad ones, so I say it's higher!

[dshipp17]

I had some ideas. I hope I can still email you. I only sent you four emails regarding the upcoming Wonder Woman issues (starting about 04/23/2009). Can I still email you here at this forum? Am I being blocked from emailing you? Would it be a way to tell that you messages are being blocked in this forum by the intended recipient of your message? I last email you on 08/24/2009.

[4PointOh]

The man's written like 100 good comics and 7 bad ones, so I say it's higher!

Oh! Sorry, those are the only two with which I'm familiar. :redface:

[Free-Man]

The man's written like 100 good comics and 7 bad ones, so I say it's higher!

That could certainly be the case, but it seems like all of his crappy work his been his most recent. He seems like he's slipping....and if CFJ is any indication of what to expect from his normal JLA run, I'm not sure if I'll be reading it.

[Ravencraft75]

Well, I personally can't wait! I LOVE Donna troy! and I want her to have her lasso back...be it gold or silver. Although, I have been intigued over the possibility of a silver lasso for years now! I dressed as a male version of Donna for Halloween years ago(my ex was Wonder Boy!)and I had a silver lasso at my side. The costume just wouldn't have been complete without it.

I just hope the story is written well. I admit...I wish anything Donna related was written by Phil Jiminez(or George Perez of course!)because I know he loves the character and KNOWS the character.

I'm waiting with baited breath and crossed fingers...

[rab082154]

His "Golden Age" was pure genious. But CFJ sucks its so boring, nothing is happening at all, and everybody is not acting like themselves....

[LittleMissVixen]

I am happy that Donna is getting the spotlight, after she was cheated by the 52 and One Year Later. I can't wait to see her costume.

I just hope they avoid revisiting her origins....ever...again.

[dnatroy_aka_darman]

Well, I personally can't wait! I LOVE Donna troy! and I want her to have her lasso back...be it gold or silver. Although, I have been intrigued over the possibility of a silver lasso for years now! I dressed as a male version of Donna for Halloween years ago(my ex was Wonder Boy!)and I had a silver lasso at my side. The costume just wouldn't have been complete without it.

I just hope the story is written well. I admit...I wish anything Donna related was written by Phil Jiminez(or George Perez of course!)because I know he loves the character and KNOWS the character.

I'm waiting with baited breath and crossed fingers...

Love it. hehe.

Ya PJ and GP always did good on her.
IC and 52 really didn't do anything on her.
Origin, a new costume and more, very cool. I hope it doesn't take too long for it to come to light. Though I am worried about what the costume will look like.

[DHacker615]

CRJ is a horribly written, beautifully drawn book, but STARMAN was genius. So I say JLA has a 50/50 shot at being a great book.

I would put the odds much higher.

Very few writers can overcome being paired with the wrong artist. While Mauro Cascioli draws pretty pictures, they are a horrible fit for a dialog-driven writer. I can think of very few writers who are more dialog-driven than James Robinson.

Comics are similar to movies in that way. Most actors and, in particular, comedic actors will tell you that what sells a clever bit of dialog is less the delivery of the line than the reaction. When Robinson is working with an artist who draws great reactions, he looks like a genius. Paul Smith is master of facial expression, so is Tony Harris. An artist like Cascioli is almost too detailed to work well with Robinson. The critical facial reaction gets lost amid all the other detail. They are better off working with less character focused writers and drawing big action scenes that need a ton of detail.

Pair Robinson with anyone who has pulled off a dialog-heavy book in the past and I would say it is probably going to be great. Artists like Kevin Maguire or Gary Frank would be great fits with Robinson. JUSTICE LEAGUE is being drawn by Mark Bagley, who did 100 of SPIDER-MAN with Brian Michael Bendis. Bendis is exactly the same type of writer as Robinson. So, I would say the title is going to be a pretty good read.

[Free-Man]

I would put the odds much higher.

Very few writers can overcome being paired with the wrong artist. While Mauro Cascioli draws pretty pictures, they are a horrible fit for a dialog-driven writer. I can think of very few writers who are more dialog-driven than James Robinson.

Comics are similar to movies in that way. Most actors and, in particular, comedic actors will tell you that what sells a clever bit of dialog is less the delivery of the line than the reaction. When Robinson is working with an artist who draws great reactions, he looks like a genius. Paul Smith is master of facial expression, so is Tony Harris. An artist like Cascioli is almost too detailed to work well with Robinson. The critical facial reaction gets lost amid all the other detail. They are better off working with less character focused writers and drawing big action scenes that need a ton of detail.

Pair Robinson with anyone who has pulled off a dialog-heavy book in the past and I would say it is probably going to be great. Artists like Kevin Maguire or Gary Frank would be great fits with Robinson. JUSTICE LEAGUE is being drawn by Mark Bagley, who did 100 of SPIDER-MAN with Brian Michael Bendis. Bendis is exactly the same type of writer as Robinson. So, I would say the title is going to be a pretty good read.

Uhhhmm....maybe I misunderstood you, but did you just imply that it's Marco's fault that CFJ is a terrible book?

[MinaRho1]

Well, I personally can't wait! I LOVE Donna troy! and I want her to have her lasso back...be it gold or silver. Although, I have been intigued over the possibility of a silver lasso for years now! I dressed as a male version of Donna for Halloween years ago(my ex was Wonder Boy!)and I had a silver lasso at my side. The costume just wouldn't have been complete without it.

I just hope the story is written well. I admit...I wish anything Donna related was written by Phil Jiminez(or George Perez of course!)because I know he loves the character and KNOWS the character.

I'm waiting with baited breath and crossed fingers...

that is probably the most awesome thing I've read today. I dressed as Wonder Woman for holloween once but every year I promise myself to dress as Donna. I don't know how I'd handle all the "who are you dressed as?" comments.

And yes, Perez and Himenez do the *best* Donna. Their love for her shines through. I get the same sense when Gail writes Etta and Dinah, actually.

I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm always grateful when Donna gets any sort of recognition or spotlight but that seems to lead to disappointment a lot. Fingers crossed.

[VDCNI]

I haven't been enjoying CFJ but there are too many of my favourite characters in the new JLA for me not to read the book.

It will be interesting to see how Donna is handled - I hope Robinson makes good use of her relationship with Dick. I can see there being tension between Hal and Dick/Donna.

[VDCNI]

I would put the odds much higher.

Very few writers can overcome being paired with the wrong artist. While Mauro Cascioli draws pretty pictures, they are a horrible fit for a dialog-driven writer. I can think of very few writers who are more dialog-driven than James Robinson.

Comics are similar to movies in that way. Most actors and, in particular, comedic actors will tell you that what sells a clever bit of dialog is less the delivery of the line than the reaction. When Robinson is working with an artist who draws great reactions, he looks like a genius. Paul Smith is master of facial expression, so is Tony Harris. An artist like Cascioli is almost too detailed to work well with Robinson. The critical facial reaction gets lost amid all the other detail. They are better off working with less character focused writers and drawing big action scenes that need a ton of detail.

Pair Robinson with anyone who has pulled off a dialog-heavy book in the past and I would say it is probably going to be great. Artists like Kevin Maguire or Gary Frank would be great fits with Robinson. JUSTICE LEAGUE is being drawn by Mark Bagley, who did 100 of SPIDER-MAN with Brian Michael Bendis. Bendis is exactly the same type of writer as Robinson. So, I would say the title is going to be a pretty good read.

There may be something in that I suppose, the art does look somewhat static in the non action scenes.

However I think the main problem is just how bad the dialog is! Hopefully a one off - normally I really like his work.

[cockrumfan]

Uhhhmm....maybe I misunderstood you, but did you just imply that it's Marco's fault that CFJ is a terrible book?

I don't think it's a terrible book at all. Personally, it's one of the books I really look forward to every month. That being said, I may be biased towards Robinson, so take that for what it's worth. It has been slow, but he's building toward something, and he's bringing in characters who have been abandoned by the JLA (some, rightfully so like Congorilla, others not at all, like Hal or Ollie) and others that have just plain been abandoned by the DCU (Ray Palmer, being the main one.) I also think its important that he's writing this while not ignoring other writers stories: Ryan Choi could have been a tool, but he made him almost as cool as Gail did, Prometheus could have been a hack, but he's made him into as cool a villain as Morrison did, and the golden age references are great (to me, at least.) If Donna's going to get used, Robinson is one of the few I would want jumping on that landmine.

[WorstThingUS]

A year ago that would've been greatnews to me....but after looking at CRJ....I dunno...:frown:

Seriously. There was a time when I would have welcomed Robinson on anything, but post Superman, where Lois gets jealous because Zatanna wears fishnets (as opposed the rest of the women in the DCU who are also all half-naked) and post Cry For Justice where Huntress and Lady Blackhawk are reduced to dirty jokes (not to mention the most craptastic dialogue in recent memory), I don't think I trust James Robinson near any female character in the DCU.


Uhhhmm....maybe I misunderstood you, but did you just imply that it's Marco's fault that CFJ is a terrible book?

Which is ridiculous. Marco didn't write that crappy dialogue. No amount of "facial distinction" can save that dreck.

"Are you here as a hero, Supergirl, or villain?" A single tear then runs down her cheek...

And everything about it shows he's ignoring the work of other writers, starting with Gail's with that Huntress joke at the very beginning. Not to mention the man who was once Parallax---who murdered countless people---questioning anyone's heroism. It's an awful book made all the worse in comparison to work like The Golden Age, which is right up there with Kingdom Come and The New Frontier as one of the best mini-series ever. You might be able to pass it off as an amateur's first gig, but for a seasoned professional like Robinson there's just no excuse for this.

To further the movie analogy, Sofia Coppola was blamed for the horridness of Godfather III after Winona Ryder dropped out, but no actress alive could have saved lines like "I love you too, cuz." And no artist working could redeem CFJ and indeed, Marco's work is the only reason to buy it.

[Charybdis4]

Perez drew THE best Donna Troy in New Teen Titans - ever!! He made me adore her. Jimenez was also great with her.

She seriously deserves to shine & I would love Gail to write a full on Diana/Donna story (no Cassie please.) A good 3 parter which not only explores their relationship but also lets them kick some major super villain butt!

[Personamanx]

Im enjoying CFJ (Don't Shoot me down for enjoying a book) so I'll be picking up Robinson's JLA (Which I still Buy Anyway).

[galactica]

I don't know when CFJ was written but it reads a lot like Robinson's first arc on Superman; The Coming of Atlas. Since then I think he has gotten a much much better, the Jimmy Olsen Specials have been great. WONK and Captain Atom are very good too but he works on them with Greg Rucka so........

If this was a year and a half ago when he was just getting started on Superman, I'd be worried but now, not so much.

[Free-Man]

I don't know when CFJ was written but it reads a lot like Robinson's first arc on Superman; The Coming of Atlas. Since then I think he has gotten a much much better, the Jimmy Olsen Specials have been great. WONK and Captain Atom are very good too but he works on them with Greg Rucka so........

If this was a year and a half ago when he was just getting started on Superman, I'd be worried but now, not so much.

But CFJ is only a mini series. It took him a while to rise above mediocrity on Superman, and we're almost halfway thorugh his JLA mini and it still has crappy pacing and HORRIFIC dialogue.

[galactica]

But CFJ is only a mini series. It took him a while to rise above mediocrity on Superman, and we're almost halfway thorugh his JLA mini and it still has crappy pacing and HORRIFIC dialogue.

That's kind of my point. I don't expect CFJ to get much better, it was probably one of the first things he wrote when he came back(remember the book was delayed because the art took a while and they wanted all the issues in the basket). I'm saying CFJ can be like the first arc on Superman and the actual JLA title can be like everything that came after his first arc on Superman.

[Fake Shemp]

Cool stuff IS coming. I've been talking with James Robinson, and man, Donna is going to get a fantastic spotlight and LOTS of questions will be answered, INCLUDING the origin of a certain silver lasso... ;)

I hope he does Donna JUSTIIIIIIICE!!!!111!!!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist...

[WorstThingUS]

I hope he does Donna JUSTIIIIIIICE!!!!111!!!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist...

Heh. I love it.

[Ravencraft75]

Love it. hehe.

Ya PJ and GP always did good on her.
IC and 52 really didn't do anything on her.
Origin, a new costume and more, very cool. I hope it doesn't take too long for it to come to light. Though I am worried about what the costume will look like.
I'm a little worried about her new(again)costume, myself...but...I am always excited to see new costumes. So my feelings of excitment and worry are 50/50!

[Ravencraft75]

that is probably the most awesome thing I've read today. I dressed as Wonder Woman for holloween once but every year I promise myself to dress as Donna. I don't know how I'd handle all the "who are you dressed as?" comments.

And yes, Perez and Himenez do the *best* Donna. Their love for her shines through. I get the same sense when Gail writes Etta and Dinah, actually.

I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm always grateful when Donna gets any sort of recognition or spotlight but that seems to lead to disappointment a lot. Fingers crossed.
It was really fun! One of my favorite memories with my ex. The costumes weren't spectacular or anything...but I had a blast making them! If I can get my scanner working, I will post a picture of it. After all...it's almost time for Halloween anyway!

Cautiously optimistic is a good way to be. I've redesigned Donna's costume a million times. I always have fun doing that. I think there are a lot of simple possibilities that would make her look great AND tie her look into the Wonder Woman mythos again.

[heavyduty1]

I just hope it is not by the same guy that drew her outfit in Titans 17. I mean, I love Donna and think she is as sexy as hell, but really? The thong showing over her jeans? Didn't that style go out in 2006?

There is a difference between sexy and slutty. I hope the new costume designer makes the right choice.

[MinaRho1]

I just hope it is not by the same guy that drew her outfit in Titans 17. I mean, I love Donna and think she is as sexy as hell, but really? The thong showing over her jeans? Didn't that style go out in 2006?

There is a difference between sexy and slutty. I hope the new costume designer makes the right choice.

*cough* I know I might get some backlash for this, but many people in the comicbook industry are men. Not I'd expect that a woman artist to keep up with trends, but things as they are, the depiction of fashion in comicbooks tends to be a few years behind in general.

I wish overt trends would be ignored. I would hate to pick up a comicbook I loved ten years from now and have the first thing I think be "wow, Donna's wearing the 2009 fall line."

[heavyduty1]

*cough* I know I might get some backlash for this, but many people in the comicbook industry are men. Not I'd expect that a woman artist to keep up with trends, but things as they are, the depiction of fashion in comicbooks tends to be a few years behind in general.

I wish overt trends would be ignored. I would hate to pick up a comicbook I loved ten years from now and have the first thing I think be "wow, Donna's wearing the 2009 fall line."


HAHA! I know what you are saying, but come on. The look is so far out. Donna deserves better is all I am saying.

[MinaRho1]

HAHA! I know what you are saying, but come on. The look is so far out. Donna deserves better is all I am saying.

Agreed!
I loved her goofy cute pajamas that Phil drew her in when Diana was having bad dreams over Poly. Those pjs were before the 2 piece baggy pjs came in style again, btw. A good example that goes against my theory.

Or maybe Phil is just the guy that should draw Donna all the time.

[cockrumfan]

Donna's apparently going to be in the starfield costume, with Bagley drawing, so I don't think she'll appear as...loose as she did recently. http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2009/07/jlapinup_sol_jpeg_rev.jpg

[MinaRho1]

Donna's apparently going to be in the starfield costume, with Bagley drawing, so I don't think she'll appear as...loose as she did recently.]

Yay! Mon-el is still alive! So far?

[cockrumfan]

Yay! Mon-el is still alive! So far?

He's carrying Superman's book for him right now. I don't think they're going to kill him off either. I think he'll wind up being where he is in Legion (the first one, but without 5 years later...man, the Legion was screwed up...) as well, so I doubt he'll die in these books.

[Alatheus]

Im enjoying CFJ (Don't Shoot me down for enjoying a book) so I'll be picking up Robinson's JLA (Which I still Buy Anyway).

I've actually heard good things about Cry for Justice (I'm not cool enough to acronymize it).

I'm going to give it a go I think.

[shanejayell]

I do wonder how long CFJ was sitting in a drawer waiting to be published. If he wrote it around the time the 'Atlas' story was in the Supes books, it might explain how rusty it sounds.

I loved his JSA, Starman and Firearm back in the day, so I'm hopeful JLA won't suck

[Kyle Sing]

Cool stuff IS coming. I've been talking with James Robinson, and man, Donna is going to get a fantastic spotlight and LOTS of questions will be answered, INCLUDING the origin of a certain silver lasso... ;)

Sweet! I hope we'll be seeing more of her in the pages of JLA and Wonder Woman!

Peace,

Kyle

[Mr Prince]

That's awesome... Silver lassos for everyone!

Looking forward to learning about it's "power". Adding Zeus' thunderbolt to Cassie's was awesome and evoked her heritage–very brilliant. She can take you out and wreck your perm. Take that evildoers.

[WorstThingUS]

Donna's apparently going to be in the starfield costume, with Bagley drawing, so I don't think she'll appear as...loose as she did recently.

Yeah, that neckline sure takes care of that.

[dnatroy_aka_darman]

Yeah, that neckline sure takes care of that.

Some artists and their interpretation of the costume sure make it hard to swallow to wanna read. :evilangry:
We all know Donna wouldn't show that much cleavage.
In battle something may just fall out. :eek:

[RealWonderman]

*cough* I know I might get some backlash for this, but many people in the comicbook industry are men. Not I'd expect that a woman artist to keep up with trends, but things as they are, the depiction of fashion in comicbooks tends to be a few years behind in general.

I wish overt trends would be ignored. I would hate to pick up a comicbook I loved ten years from now and have the first thing I think be "wow, Donna's wearing the 2009 fall line."

But ten years from now you'd be seeing the 2004 line, right? :tongue:

[Donna M.]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bf/DonnaTroy.jpg/250px-DonnaTroy.jpg

This is what the costume Phil designed should look like. No diving neckline, not starfield past the hips, eagle choker and New Chronus belt buckle.
Seeing professionals get costumes wrong has been a pet peeve of mine for YEARS! Is it that hard to get this stuff right?

[dnatroy_aka_darman]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bf/DonnaTroy.jpg/250px-DonnaTroy.jpg

This is what the costume Phil designed should look like. No diving neckline, not starfield past the hips, eagle choker and New Chronus belt buckle.
Seeing professionals get costumes wrong has been a pet peeve of mine for YEARS! Is it that hard to get this stuff right?

I hear ya. I'm the same way.
Phil's last design was a take on the red jumper suit and then after the mess up w/ the red star/black suit the next artist combined the first phil design w/ his 2nd
I really get ticked off when they don't get the Chronus pendant correct. I had the same issue when she had the eagle necklace.

I hope we get something equally good in the new costume.

I wish she had Nightwing's idea on her bracelets, when NW's had hidden compartments for weaponry etc. in his first NW costume. Now that'd be cool. :cool:

[ScottyQuick]

I thought we established that the Wonder family wasn't allowed to have nice outfits?

[Mr Prince]

Phil's redesign is the best–either the straps or halter style. Very Halston-esque. She should keep it.

[scary harpy]

Cool stuff IS coming. I've been talking with James Robinson, and man, Donna is going to get a fantastic spotlight and LOTS of questions will be answered, INCLUDING the origin of a certain silver lasso... ;)

YES!

This is great news.

[Firebaton]

I can't wait to read it. I also hope Donna shows up in Wonder Woman again soon!

[Dream Boy]

Good news for Donna and, from that image, Kori too!

[meek?]

Cool stuff IS coming. I've been talking with James Robinson, and man, Donna is going to get a fantastic spotlight and LOTS of questions will be answered, INCLUDING the origin of a certain silver lasso... ;)

Very much welcomed news! Thank you, Gail!

Peace.

[Shurato2099]

Cool stuff IS coming. I've been talking with James Robinson, and man, Donna is going to get a fantastic spotlight and LOTS of questions will be answered, INCLUDING the origin of a certain silver lasso... ;)

That's wonderful news, Gail! Donna's needed some serious use for a long time now and since she's going to be stepping up in Robinson's JLA its time for it. Robinson traditionally does excellent work, although with CFJ I'm a bit concerned. I was always hoping that Donna would get brushed up and back to her usual level of awesomeness in the pages of either Wonder Woman or The Titans, but if you think Robinson's going to do right by her in JLA I will happily take that.

[Raven Of Rhiannon]

I love the idea of Donna in the JLA book. She shines most anytime she is in Wonder Woman, but Titans is so....meh. I am really glad that she has an opportunity in another book. I just hope it doesn't turn into another Countdown debacle.

[IvCNuB4]

I dressed as a male version of Donna for Halloween years ago(my ex was Wonder Boy!)and I had a silver lasso at my side. The costume just wouldn't have been complete without it....

Did you wear the halter-top version or the tank-top version ?
We need pictures ! ! :biggrin:

[Raven Of Rhiannon]

Did you wear the halter-top version or the tank-top version ?
We need pictures ! ! :biggrin:

Can't wait to see the pics.

[Ravencraft75]

Did you wear the halter-top version or the tank-top version ?
We need pictures ! ! :biggrin:
Neither, really...they were more inspired by than actually being made like the costumes. They looked pretty cute, though.