World of Krypton #7

[edhopper]

It was good. Far better than Superman and Action have been of late. Good, solid art (as opposed to the mostly crap art in issues of the other two books). And a nice twist in the story vis a vis Zod and Kal El.

[Alex Smith]

I actually didn't really like it that much. I can understand Superman being angry, but when he yelled at Tyr to do as he was told and act like the good little labor guild person he was... it just didn't sit right with me.

[Jorriss]

I actually didn't really like it that much. I can understand Superman being angry, but when he yelled at Tyr to do as he was told and act like the good little labor guild person he was... it just didn't sit right with me.
Same impression I got. It didn't feel like Superman, but maybe that's the point they are trying to make with new Krypton?

[The ?]

Same impression I got. It didn't feel like Superman, but maybe that's the point they are trying to make with new Krypton?
I can kind of understand it, I know Meltzer's JLA run isn't exactly revered around here, but I think he raised a point in Lightening Saga that really rang true with me. "Clark's always been the hardest of us to rile. But when the Dagger is put in his chest by one of his dearest childhood friends? ...You don't want to be anywhere near him." I can see Superman as the type who can handle/forgive a lot but would absolutely despise being betrayed. And in a situation like New Krypton where he can only count his real friends on one hand, It makes sense that he'd take it badly.

[WorstThingUS]

I joked about it earlier when I saw a solicitation for an upcoming issue, but to see it here, it's just dumb. There is no fight between a Kryptonian and a Thanagarian. There's a just a lot of wrecked ships and body parts floating while the captain wonders what's taking the maintenance officer and the cook so long to get rid of all of them. And a ship filled with Kryptonians? It's a five second slaughter. I can't even call it a fight. It's more like what Orion did to them in Cosmic Odyssey. Exactly how does your average Thanagarian with a pistol target someone moving at super-speed? This is so stupid it just pulled me right out of the book. It would make more sense that the arrogance of the Kryptonians allowed them to destroy the pilot ship that set the moon free, but a straight up fight? Not a chance.

[Alex Smith]

Same impression I got. It didn't feel like Superman, but maybe that's the point they are trying to make with new Krypton?

I kind of felt that, up until this point, they were making the opposite argument. When Zod had ordered Superman to kill those creatures earlier in the series, Clark's taught his batallion a non-violent method, he didn't want to kill the labor guild "terrorists", etc. It seemed like they were saying, that even in this uncomfortable situation where he has to take orders from Zod, but he still he needs to keep an eye on thngs to make sure nothing gets out of hand, he still manages to be Superman. They just really lost me on that part with Tyr.

[Mat001]

I joked about it earlier when I saw a solicitation for an upcoming issue, but to see it here, it's just dumb. There is no fight between a Kryptonian and a Thanagarian. There's a just a lot of wrecked ships and body parts floating while the captain wonders what's taking the maintenance officer and the cook so long to get rid of all of them. And a ship filled with Kryptonians? It's a five second slaughter. I can't even call it a fight. It's more like what Orion did to them in Cosmic Odyssey. Exactly how does your average Thanagarian with a pistol target someone moving at super-speed? This is so stupid it just pulled me right out of the book. It would make more sense that the arrogance of the Kryptonians allowed them to destroy the pilot ship that set the moon free, but a straight up fight? Not a chance.

You try and predict where they will be, in order to try and hit them. Whether it succeeds or not, it's the idea.

[galactica]

I actually didn't really like it that much. I can understand Superman being angry, but when he yelled at Tyr to do as he was told and act like the good little labor guild person he was... it just didn't sit right with me.

I bought that exchange because Tyr tried to use Labour Guild status as a excuse and that's what made Superman angry.

[galactica]

I joked about it earlier when I saw a solicitation for an upcoming issue, but to see it here, it's just dumb. There is no fight between a Kryptonian and a Thanagarian. There's a just a lot of wrecked ships and body parts floating while the captain wonders what's taking the maintenance officer and the cook so long to get rid of all of them. And a ship filled with Kryptonians? It's a five second slaughter. I can't even call it a fight. It's more like what Orion did to them in Cosmic Odyssey. Exactly how does your average Thanagarian with a pistol target someone moving at super-speed? This is so stupid it just pulled me right out of the book. It would make more sense that the arrogance of the Kryptonians allowed them to destroy the pilot ship that set the moon free, but a straight up fight? Not a chance.

I agree but they made specific mention of their weapons(which I imagine will turn out to be red solar radiation weapons) and the Kryptonians didn't actually seem to be having much trouble with the Thanagarians when Kal arrived. It seems their ships were being damaged but only one or two Kryptonians seemed to be inactive.

Also, the Thanagarian military shouldn't be push-overs. They are an interstellar warrior empire. They are technologically advanced enough to put up a pretty good fight against even Kryptonians.


Having said all that, most Kryptonians seem to be way way below Superman and Supergirl. Seems they are using that Conservation of Kryptonians theory.

[NYGiants167]

WONK #7 was a good issue with alot of intrigue. It is is going to be interesting with Kal-El as the Commanding General of the Kryptonian Army. Looking forward to a Thanagarian-Kryptonian battle royal

[Alex Smith]

I bought that exchange because Tyr tried to use Labour Guild status as a excuse and that's what made Superman angry.

I understand he was angry, but he's Superman, I can even understand yelling, but not nearly calling someone a slave.

[patrick r]

I am relatively new to reading Superman / DC so I am not 100% sure about the following information. I understand that the Thanagarians use a special Nth metal in the construction of their armor and ships. Nth metal is supposed to have magical properties to which I believe Kryptonians have a weakness. This may provide some reasoning for the Thanagarians' ability to battle the Kryptonians.

[galactica]

I understand he was angry, but he's Superman, I can even understand yelling, but not nearly calling someone a slave.

He didn't call him a slave, at least that's not how I read it. He confronted about his betrayal and Tyr said he is Labor Guild so he has to do as he is told. Superman's reaction was basically, Are you serious? I confront you about betraying our friendship and that's your excuse? Fine then stick with that excuse and get out of my sight.

He was hurt and angry.

[babybro]

He didn't call him a slave, at least that's not how I read it. He confronted about his betrayal and Tyr said he is Labor Guild so he has to do as he is told. Superman's reaction was basically, Are you serious? I confront you about betraying our friendship and that's your excuse? Fine then stick with that excuse and get out of my sight.

He was hurt and angry.

yes, but at the same time, he was essentially calling Tyr a slave. I can see what the previous poster was talking about. I don't agree with it, either. Definitely doesn't feel like superman. If he would've just said, "get away from me." and yelled at him like that, it still would hold power. But the exact words he used was kinda OOC imo.

[Thok]

yes, but at the same time, he was essentially calling Tyr a slave. I can see what the previous poster was talking about. I don't agree with it, either. Definitely doesn't feel like superman. If he would've just said, "get away from me." and yelled at him like that, it still would hold power. But the exact words he used was kinda OOC imo.

I think the point of that exchange is that New Krypton and the stress of being general is starting to affect Kal-El.

[WorstThingUS]

yes, but at the same time, he was essentially calling Tyr a slave. I can see what the previous poster was talking about. I don't agree with it, either. Definitely doesn't feel like superman. If he would've just said, "get away from me." and yelled at him like that, it still would hold power. But the exact words he used was kinda OOC imo.

Well, James Robinson is involved...

[Slaughter]

Exactly how does your average Thanagarian with a pistol target someone moving at super-speed?

Lasers. That's probrably why the Human Defense Corps is using Kryptonite Lasers, not bullets. A Kryptonian can outrun a solid projectile and even melt it mid-flight. But they can't do jack against a focused beam of kryptonite radiation. Kryptonians have been show to reach near-light speeds, usually in space. Lasers reach light speed. Laser >>> Kryptonian. They can dodge the beam, though they would have to be ready for that. Same rules apply for those red sun rifles Luthor made and the gun that shot Zod.

It has been show in the past that the Kryptonian Empire fought a number of know DCU races, amongst them the Thanagarians, Khunds and Tamarians. They probrably still remember the expansionist Kryptonian Empire. The hints have been appearing since the fourth kryptonian: Nobody liked the Kryptonians.

Man, the Ks are going to be in for a shock when the Saturnians come knocking. It would't surprise me if General Lane made a alliance with them. Lane hates aliens, but Saturnians would't be much of a hassle compared to Kryptonians. Saturnians are vulnerable to fire, something much easier to find and use than Kryptonite.

[Mat001]

Not to mention that all alien races that know of Kryptonians know of their weaknesses as well. Superman has been the face of Krypton for quite a while now and it's no secret that Kryptonite and magic can hurt him.

It should also be noted that the reason Clark acted the way he has towards Tyr makes sense, because he's been around his people too much that he's starting to act like them. Even though he doesn't realize it. Zod's plan is to undo everything that Superman has ever stood for, in order to become that which Superman represents. It's a mind game and one which Clark is falling for, hence his attitude towards Tyr.

[WorstThingUS]

Lasers. That's probrably why the Human Defense Corps is using Kryptonite Lasers, not bullets. A Kryptonian can outrun a solid projectile and even melt it mid-flight. But they can't do jack against a focused beam of kryptonite radiation. Kryptonians have been show to reach near-light speeds, usually in space. Lasers reach light speed. Laser >>> Kryptonian. They can dodge the beam, though they would have to be ready for that. Same rules apply for those red sun rifles Luthor made and the gun that shot Zod.

I get that, but it's got nothing to do with targeting. After all, just because you have a laser, doesn't mean you can hit The Flash. But I think the Nth Metal idea is sound. It'd be interesting to see the Kryptonians wondering why these non-powered people have always given them so much trouble.

[Captain Jim]

Another solid issue.

It was good. Far better than Superman and Action have been of late. Good, solid art (as opposed to the mostly crap art in issues of the other two books). And a nice twist in the story vis a vis Zod and Kal El.

I think WONK is always the best of the bunch, followed by Supergirl.

He didn't call him a slave, at least that's not how I read it. He confronted about his betrayal and Tyr said he is Labor Guild so he has to do as he is told. Superman's reaction was basically, Are you serious? I confront you about betraying our friendship and that's your excuse? Fine then stick with that excuse and get out of my sight.

He was hurt and angry.

I agree. I don't see any problem here at all.

[paulski]

I didn't get that much out this issue for a change. A little too much waffle and then a great big space battle in the last 1/3 of the book where nothing of real interest happened.

Probably my least enjoyable issue of the series thus far.

[Sanlear]

I enjoyed it for the most part, aside from a few minor nitpicks (why are the kryptonians wearing air masks in space again? I thought they didn't need those).

[galactica]

I enjoyed it for the most part, aside from a few minor nitpicks (why are the kryptonians wearing air masks in space again? I thought they didn't need those).

For communication. They don't need it to breath but they need it to talk to each other in the vacuum of space.

[Karl O'Neill]

I didn't get that much out this issue for a change. A little too much waffle and then a great big space battle in the last 1/3 of the book where nothing of real interest happened.

Probably my least enjoyable issue of the series thus far.

Just a bit suprize. I thought this was one of the strongest issues of the bunch so far.

Also. I agree with captain JIM. This title is the best of all the current superman books.

I don't read supergirl at the moment, Getting sick of Action comics and supermon is okay.

[Sanlear]

For communication. They don't need it to breath but they need it to talk to each other in the vacuum of space. Ah, that makes sense. Thank you!

[Captain Jim]

Just a bit suprize. I thought this was one of the strongest issues of the bunch so far.

Also. I agree with captain JIM. This title is the best of all the current superman books.

I don't read supergirl at the moment, Getting sick of Action comics and supermon is okay.

You should read Supergirl. :wink:

[dupersuper]

For communication. They don't need it to breath but they need it to talk to each other in the vacuum of space.

Also, Superman needed a mask until he got a krptonite x power up, the training from Mongul, it may take a while before these newly powered Kryptonians have the power AND training to go for more than a few hours. But still, yeah, mostly communication.

I joked about it earlier when I saw a solicitation for an upcoming issue, but to see it here, it's just dumb. There is no fight between a Kryptonian and a Thanagarian. There's a just a lot of wrecked ships and body parts floating while the captain wonders what's taking the maintenance officer and the cook so long to get rid of all of them. And a ship filled with Kryptonians? It's a five second slaughter. I can't even call it a fight. It's more like what Orion did to them in Cosmic Odyssey. Exactly how does your average Thanagarian with a pistol target someone moving at super-speed? This is so stupid it just pulled me right out of the book. It would make more sense that the arrogance of the Kryptonians allowed them to destroy the pilot ship that set the moon free, but a straight up fight? Not a chance.

Yeah, nth metal or no nth metal, that was odd. I assumed when the trouble started they had run into the Saturnians. That would have made more sense... (what are the Thanagarians even doing in our solar system?).

[jeangreydp]

I actually didn't really like it that much. I can understand Superman being angry, but when he yelled at Tyr to do as he was told and act like the good little labor guild person he was... it just didn't sit right with me.

To be honest I'm not liking Superman's attitude much lately. That scene really sealed it for me and when I flipped back to the cover I saw that James Robinson's name was billed first just as I had suspected.

I've liked some of his other work, but I don't think he's quite 'gotten' Superman. He seems too angry.

[CBikle]

To be honest I'm not liking Superman's attitude much lately. That scene really sealed it for me and when I flipped back to the cover I saw that James Robinson's name was billed first just as I had suspected.

I've liked some of his other work, but I don't think he's quite 'gotten' Superman. He seems too angry.

The guy was a spy for Zod, why wouldn't he be angry ?

[Karl O'Neill]

You should read Supergirl. :wink:

Not a big fan of the character.

[Mat001]

Having gotten this issue Saturday, I stand by Clark's comments. Tyr used his defense that he's Labor Guild and thus does what he is told. Clark says that is his excuse, which upsets him because he thought he had gotten it through Tyr's head that he didn't have to do something that he disagreed with, simply because he was in the Labor Guild. And that he could've come to him. He's insulted that his friend didn't come to him and then has the balls to lie to his face. This is why he says what he says.

Kal-El: "I don't want to see you anymore."

Tyr-Van: "But--"

Kal-El: "Labor Guild, right? That's your excuse? Then do as you're told and go!"

That's Clark's way of saying that if he wants to hide behind his excuses, then he better do so. If he would rather be Labor Guild instead of moving up and beyond that, then he shouldn't bother trying to be something that he's not.

[bongoes]

Having gotten this issue Saturday, I stand by Clark's comments. Tyr used his defense that he's Labor Guild and thus does what he is told. Clark says that is his excuse, which upsets him because he thought he had gotten it through Tyr's head that he didn't have to do something that he disagreed with, simply because he was in the Labor Guild. And that he could've come to him. He's insulted that his friend didn't come to him and then has the balls to lie to his face. This is why he says what he says.

Kal-El: "I don't want to see you anymore."

Tyr-Van: "But--"

Kal-El: "Labor Guild, right? That's your excuse? Then do as you're told and go!"

That's Clark's way of saying that if he wants to hide behind his excuses, then he better do so. If he would rather be Labor Guild instead of moving up and beyond that, then he shouldn't bother trying to be something that he's not.

I think you said it perfectly. It was perfectly in character to me.

[jeangreydp]

The guy was a spy for Zod, why wouldn't he be angry ?

I don't have an issue with him being angry- it was the outburst that I had a problem with.

Superman would, in my opinion, told Tyr that he was really disappointed in him and expressed that he was feeling angry.

He wouldn't be all 'Eff you then, slave labor!'

[Mat001]

I suggest you re-read their conversation. Clark did all that. He expressed his disappointment with Tyr after revealing that he knows the truth about what he's done. He then told Tyr to leave and when he didn't, Clark told him to do as he's told, since Tyr's using the Labor Guild as an excuse for his actions. He wants to act like Labor Guild, then that's how Clark will treat him.