Is there any Wonder woman story or arc you would like to rewrite?

[Major Comma]

Show your writing skills Wonder Fans!

[Free-Man]

I had thought of a one-shot story a while back where after being dazed and injured in a massive battle with a supervillain, Diana basically crashlands in a bad part of a city, and is taken hostage by a very bitter young woman who's brother was killed in a battle between some super powered characters.

So basically, I would do the whole story of the girl contemplating what to do with Wonder Woman. Should she simply kill her to vent her rage? Execute her online to start a supervillain career by showing how badass she is? Or maybe even sell her off to the highest bidder.

Whaddya ya'll think?

[americanwonder]

James - that's really creepy and messed-up - sounds like it could make for a good story.


Can someone rewrite AA and/or convince DC it never happened? :frown:

I still say it was a mix of Circe mind-control, a Dr. Pyshco illusion, and shoddy reporting by the biased US media.

[CarolStrick]

There are only a few stories that NEED to be rewritten at this point:

I'd rewrite the origin of Donna Troy into a very simple affair that tied in (mostly) to her established non-origin continuity.

I'd rewrite AA so that it made sense and treated everyone and the modified situation with respect and positive accomplishment.

I'd write the story of Diana's One Year Mope so she wasn't just sitting around moping in Nanda Parbat for no reason, but rather was involved in a heavy-duty only-she-could-do-it Mission that kept her out of the world spotlight.

I'd rewrite the killing of Max L. so that it was actually needed and the logical thing to do. (Or else I'd keep him alive but "disarmed.")

[Free-Man]

James - that's really creepy and messed-up - sounds like it could make for a good story.


Can someone rewrite AA and/or convince DC it never happened? :frown:

I still say it was a mix of Circe mind-control, a Dr. Pyshco illusion, and shoddy reporting by the biased US media.

Thanks. :smile:

Now this is another one I'd thought of, but the idea seems like it might be controversial:

So basically, after finding some shoddy evidence of the Amazons planning another "attack" on U.S. soil, Spy Smasher decides to put together a secret and grossly unconstitutional mission to inflitrate and spy on the people of Themescyra.

Through blackmail and other shadey means, she assembles as team of powerful female metahumans (I'm thinking Judomaster, Black Alice, Technique, Donner, Blitzen, Sparx, and Crimson Fox) and dubs them "The NEW Birds of Prey."

The BOP infiltrate the island and end up subduing several Amazons who they encounter on the way to the city. Things spiral out of control, and an enraged Alice accidently kills the captive Amazons. A patrol stumbles onto the corpses of their friends, and the sh*t hits the fan, eventually causing Diana to come to the island to recover the Birds of Prey, who are now being hunted.

I'm sure the idea of the island being attacked YET AGAIN and the Birds being reformed by Spy Smasher would be an idea that would piss off some people. But what do you all think of the idea.

[dnatroy_aka_darman]

There are only a few stories that NEED to be rewritten at this point:

I'd rewrite the origin of Donna Troy into a very simple affair that tied in (mostly) to her established non-origin continuity.

I'd rewrite AA so that it made sense and treated everyone and the modified situation with respect and positive accomplishment.

I'd write the story of Diana's One Year Mope so she wasn't just sitting around moping in Nanda Parbat for no reason, but rather was involved in a heavy-duty only-she-could-do-it Mission that kept her out of the world spotlight.

I'd rewrite the killing of Max L. so that it was actually needed and the logical thing to do. (Or else I'd keep him alive but "disarmed.")


INDEED
Donna needs an overhaul. Infinite Crisis coulda shoulda resolved that since new earth rewrote most of everyone's history.
AA ugh. Glad I didn't spend my money on that.

[ScottyQuick]

There are only a few stories that NEED to be rewritten at this point:

I'd rewrite the origin of Donna Troy into a very simple affair that tied in (mostly) to her established non-origin continuity.

I'd rewrite AA so that it made sense and treated everyone and the modified situation with respect and positive accomplishment.

I'd write the story of Diana's One Year Mope so she wasn't just sitting around moping in Nanda Parbat for no reason, but rather was involved in a heavy-duty only-she-could-do-it Mission that kept her out of the world spotlight.

I'd rewrite the killing of Max L. so that it was actually needed and the logical thing to do. (Or else I'd keep him alive but "disarmed.")

I agree with the first three, ESPECIALLY #3, but why do you think Max's death was unneeded?

[DHacker615]

There are only a few stories that NEED to be rewritten at this point:

I'd rewrite the origin of Donna Troy into a very simple affair that tied in (mostly) to her established non-origin continuity.

I'd say Donna Troy is the big one. She is a character with an extremely simple hook, namely that she is Wonder Woman's kid sister. Superheroes never have siblings, so it really does make her distinctive. However, the success of the Wolfman-Perez TEEN TITANS both made and spoiled her.

Her origin has been done and re-done to the point that it is pretty hard to even remember them all. So, her motivations are kind of murky. Unclear motives are pretty much the worst possible thing that could happen to a comic book character. Good comics come from characters who have an easy to understand motivation connected with their "hook" as a character.

Lois Lane was a great supporting character because her motivation (to beat Clark Kent to the story) conflicts with her "hook" (she is Superman's Girlfriend). Alfred is a great supporting character because his motivation (he is Batman's right-hand) contrasts with his hook (he is the nearest thing Bruce Wayne has to a family).

Like I said, Donna has a great "hook". The key to re-working her origin is figure out a motivation that plays off it.

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

I always thought the first Silver Swan story during the Perez years needed some reductive surgery done to it. I mean, I'm fine with the idea of some uber-powerful criminal buttwipe experimenting on an innocent young woman and twisting her into a weapon of mass destruction, but do we really need her bestest pen pal and the revenge-minded son of the guy she killed along for the ride, too? They just made the thing feel clanky and convoluted.

[Sijo]

I would change Perez' origin of the Amazons so that they're no longer the reincarnated spirits of women murdered by men. I never got the point of that. Was he trying to impress us with how the Amazons, DESPITE those tragic events, could still be messengers of peace rather than hate? If so it never came across that way... in fact it feels creepy. Heck, I'd do away with the whole "made of clay" thing. I've seen enough "Wonder Woman turns back to clay!" stories already, as if she were kept human by a spell instead of being permanently flesh-and-blood. Besides that wasn't part of her original concept, was it? It was something they came up with to explain how she was born in Paradise Island when the amazons, err, had no contact with men. Having Diana be the daughter of a Greek Hero (and Hyppolita a daughter of Ares, as in the myths) has more story potential in my opinion.

[JKCarrier]

Besides that wasn't part of her original concept, was it?

The molded from clay bit has been there since the beginning:

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u313/JKCarrier/Forum%20Stuff/wworigin.jpg

[korok]

Errr... Donna's origin was Taken Care Of during John Byrne's run. He gave her an origin that tied in to her previous origins.

Of course, the writer of Titans at that time just had to do another "Who Is Donna Troy" story... one that was NOT needed, and was a bad spot on an otherwise good run of Titans.

Leave Donna alone! Instead of looking back, move her forward!

[Mr Prince]

I'd rewrite and re-imagine Amazon Attacks in a more organic, complex way and more meaningful to the characters. Diana's few Wonder-centric crossovers never quite seem to do her justice. (I'm completely curious as to how Rucka would have handled that subplot he introduced.)

[Scott E. Hileman]

Beyond making a suggestion for how to bring back the Duke of Deception, I doubt I could do Wonder Woman justice. I am correct that the Duke of Deception hasn't been back since the pre-Perez days, right?

[Leto]

I'd get rid of all the flim-flam about Hippolyta being the Wonder Woman of WW2.

It's just obtuse. Totally creates havoc if you think about the timeline of who met who first.

While I like the golden age characters, their active history in the DC universe to me is one of those things that diminishes the more iconic heroes. Alan Scott was patrolling Gotham before Batman is one thing I already dislike, Hippolyta traveling through time to be Wonder Woman even more.

[Tyr]

I would like to see "The Contest" rewritten, take out all the stupid crap about cyborg mob hitmen, and give Diana an outfit that doesn't look like it belongs in the red light district.

But I like the idea of a new Wonder Woman being chosen.

[brettc1]

League of One

[ScottyQuick]

League of One

This is me WHATing to death over here.

[brettc1]

This is me WHATing to death over here.

Yeah, I knew that would happen as soon as I posted, but I just couldn't stop myself :rolleyes:

[ScottyQuick]

Yeah, I knew that would happen as soon as I posted, but I just couldn't stop myself :rolleyes:

Well, would you care to elaborate :rolleyes:

[brettc1]

I would, despite the fact that I know what will happen [Gail's right, I really do love to make trouble] - but Kathy is getting the kids ready to go out, and I should help. I will elaborate when I have more time, and can linger to be properly flamed LOL

[Mars Getsoian]

(I'm completely curious as to how Rucka would have handled that subplot he introduced.)

Been reading Rucka's half of World of New Krypton?

Sorting out Donna and doing something about Shamazons are fairly pressing, to be sure, but if we're just chewing the fat here (and what else could we be doing), I would rewrite WML's Contest arc. Specifically, in a way that makes Polly something other than insane and/or evil and complicit in her sister's rape, doesn't completely undercut her heroism against Herc in the backstory, and portrays the cultural conflict in less simplistic, aww-the-poor-put-upon-Bana terms. Wouldn't be too tricky - the easiest solution I see for fixing Polly supports fixing the cultural conflict, and vice versa - and, had it been done at the time instead of WML's story, might have prevented a lot of plots I've hated since.

[EmmettHULK]

The entirety of Jimenez' run, especially Gods Of Gotham and the death of Hyppolita.

[brettc1]

Well, would you care to elaborate :rolleyes:

Okay, here we go:

I would have to say that League of One is the worst written Wonder Woman story I have read in the last ten years - and that includeds Amazons Attack.

:eek:

Yes, shocking, I know.

I'm sorry, I know the vast majority of folks here think it is awesome to the power of ten, but I just can't get behind a story where Diana lets civilians be killed or injured while she saves members of the Justice League. And yes, it does happen, because by the time she is fighting Superman he can see fires burining out of control in Switzerland.

There is much that is good about the story, but the concept of Diana saving League lives while helpless victims burn or kill each other because of the dragon influence just does not agree with me on any level. It does not match her personality at all. IMO.

[tangentman]

Okay, here we go:

I would have to say that League of One is the worst written Wonder Woman story I have read in the last ten years - and that includeds Amazons Attack.

:eek:

Yes, shocking, I know.

I'm sorry, I know the vast majority of folks here think it is awesome to the power of ten, but I just can't get behind a story where Diana lets civilians be killed or injured while she saves members of the Justice League. And yes, it does happen, because by the time she is fighting Superman he can see fires burning out of control in Switzerland.

There is much that is good about the story, but the concept of Diana saving League lives while helpless victims burn or kill each other because of the dragon influence just does not agree with me on any level. It does not match her personality at all. IMO.

Perhaps that decision ties into Diana's overall dilemma in the story: making excruciatingly difficult choices for the greater good? One of the key points emphasized in the story was Diana's fallibility--she's far from perfect. The ritual with the Lasso emphasized that point, that Wonder Woman utilized the Magic Lasso as a tool to take her own "moral inventory". When Diana faced the dragon, the fire burned, but she came through whole because she ritually stripped lies from herself. Perhaps the fire burned at all because of the stain of the "sin" you mentioned?

[brettc1]

Perhaps that decision ties into Diana's overall dilemma in the story: making excruciatingly difficult choices for the greater good? One of the key points emphasized in the story was Diana's fallibility--she's far from perfect. The ritual with the Lasso emphasized that point, that Wonder Woman utilized the Magic Lasso as a tool to take her own "moral inventory". When Diana faced the dragon, the fire burned, but she came through whole because she ritually stripped lies from herself. Perhaps the fire burned at all because of the stain of the "sin" you mentioned?

It's an interesting theory, and actually one that no one has put to me before. Kudos. Mostly I just get told I'm crazy, and must really hate WW deep down :rolleyes:

But for me, this is not a hard choice for Diana, in as much as she would not make the choice she did. The Diana I have seen in every other story before and since, as far back as COIE and up to today, would not put innocent lives in jeopardy in that manner.

If you look at ROTO, she makes a point of evacuating the wounded JLA members from the battlefield last, and when faced with the choice of going to help Tom or a bus load of civilians she does not hesitate - she rescues the innocent people. It hurts her, but she does it, because that is who she is.

The clincher for me was the panel where the goblins are stealing a woman's baby. Diana is prevaricating, using time to take out the League one at a time, and a baby is being stolen by goblins to feed to a dragon. I just cant get past that. If I could, I would rewrite it to have Diana lead the League to Switzerland, rescue the bystanders, and then take out the others before facing the big bad.

[CarolStrick]

... I would rewrite WML's Contest arc. Specifically, in a way that makes Polly something other than insane and/or evil and complicit in her sister's rape, doesn't completely undercut her heroism against Herc in the backstory, and portrays the cultural conflict in less simplistic, aww-the-poor-put-upon-Bana terms.

Since no one ever references these aspects or that story, does it matter? I mean, I'd be fine with AA if no one ever spoke of it again and it had zero impact on WW (or other DCU) continuity. (Artie we could explain in some quick way without getting into all the WML nonsense.)

[hunter_peterson]

I'd try to do Barbara Minerva justice. She's been screwed over for most of her history, character wise.

Also, I'd bring back Mouseman, Paper Man, the Mask and the baby from the first post-crisis Doc Psycho story. Probably include some foreign mythological characters, have the Queen of Fables possess the girl from AC who was sleeping (then inflict popular culture on the world), forge a supporting cast from established characters and maybe bring back the White Magician as a black guy just to see him squirm.

Hell, he can be a romantic interest, running a charity-based museum. Employ Julia Sandsmark, Diana, Barbara (Chuma in tow) and some others. He's been a hero before; maybe he can be redeemed.

Oh, and I'd have Diana fight the remaining Hecatoncheries. It's become a habit, just like worldwide broadcasting of her fights.

I'd obviously have to put more thought into it, though. Make an extended epic. WW deserves better that whatever comes straight to mind.

EDIT: I'd rewrite the Cheetah origin in a mini, to give something like a touchstone for characterization. She needs one.

[Mars Getsoian]

Since no one ever references these aspects or that story, does it matter?

Well, that's not quite true. Byrne's Time-travelling Wonder!Polly was a direct response to WML's insane!Polly, and I can't begin to tell you the hatred I have for Time-travelling Wonder!Polly, who is referenced regularly to this day. And I always got the sense - Phil can correct me if I'm wrong - that the irresponsible, callous, self-important fail!Polly of the Jimenez run was written with an understanding of Polly that grew from WML's psycho and Byrne's battle-hungry cape, and had neither of those things happened, neither would fail!Polly have. And while I'm not going to pretend any amount of canon anywhere in the universe could make the least bit of difference to Pfeifer when he decides it comes time to butcher the Wondy mythos, Shamazons!Polly would be a lot easier to write off as a ludicrous, OOC aberration if there weren't multiple prior canon sources backing that "Hippolyta is neither wise nor righteous nor remotely a good leader" characterization up.