Wonder Woman vs. Black Adam

[Flâneur]

Who would like to see Diana smash him up? Raise your hands!

[SJNeal]

Black Adam is awesome. I never would have given him a second thought before 52, but that series and his subsequent appearances have really made him shine as a complex... I dunno? Is anti-hero an appropriate description? He's like the Gul Dukat of the DCU (sorry for the random Deep Space Nine reference; he was the first comparison that came to mind).

Anyway, I'd love to see Black Adam and Diana rumble. It's rare she gets to fight someone she can really go apeshit on.

[Spiffy]

It's hard to sell him as an anti-hero when he's been shown as a mass murder on a Stalin/Hitleresque scale...

Short of some kind of total reboot of the character, there's really no way "back" from that to ANY kind of hero stance, even an anti-hero, who's supposed to be someone we identify with but who ain't so nice. Identifying with the slaughterer of millions got pretty hard.

[Alex Smith]

Who would like to see Diana smash him up? Raise your hands!

You think Diana would smash everyone. Black Adam means business. It would be a great fight to read, though.

[BnL]

You think Diana would smash everyone.

LOL, that reminds me of a parody of the Justice League cartoon I read a while back. Wonder Woman's dialogue was pretty much limited to "DIANA SMASH!" A fairly accurate representation of her character on that show, I'd say. :wink:

I found it humorous.

Anyway, I suppose a fight between Wonder Woman and Black Adam would be interesting to see, but there's lots more I'd rather read first, like good stories with her own rogues gallery.

[Flâneur]

You think Diana would smash everyone. Black Adam means business. It would be a great fight to read, though.
He is definitely up there but it's one of the times that I think you could really let loose with Diana. He's also one which isn't iconic enough that DC would flinch about it.

Anyway, I suppose a fight between Wonder Woman and Black Adam would be interesting to see, but there's lots more I'd rather read first, like good stories with her own rogues gallery.

I'd actually like it if the Black Marvel family was partially integrated into her rogue gallery. It's a way of introducing new villains which won't just fade away and we have strong links there with the presence of Isis (who spun out of the WW TV show) and the Bana's religion.

Plus, we've heard it said that people buy into Wonder Woman more when it's more about standard superhero fare and well, at least in this case the superhero stuff would tie into the myth aspect. I'm also kind of tired how the extent of Diana's links to other heroes seems to be restricted to her as an almost love interest for Clark and Bruce. Who else, of note, from the DCU could we mix her with?

[nightforce]

I love the idea of Wonder Woman taking on Black Adam

[SJNeal]

It's hard to sell him as an anti-hero when he's been shown as a mass murder on a Stalin/Hitleresque scale...

Short of some kind of total reboot of the character, there's really no way "back" from that to ANY kind of hero stance, even an anti-hero, who's supposed to be someone we identify with but who ain't so nice. Identifying with the slaughterer of millions got pretty hard.

Ok, granted. I'll replace "anti-hero" with "mass murderer"! Lol. I guess when I first took notice of him and started to enjoy the character was pre-genocide, when he was still on the fence about some things. And the fact that he's done such horrific things make it that much easier to justify Diana pounding him. :smile:

[Superbeast]

I'd like to see it but I don't think Diana would win. They are equal in many ways but Diana gets ruthless when pushed to the limit, Black Adam will toss buildings full of innocent people at you and keep it moving. If anything I'd expect an entire city to be wrecked by the end of it with only one person left barely standing, then giving the other one a hand up and thanking them for a worthy battle before KOing them so they can be hauled in. Sort of like the Kid Miracleman vs Miracleman fight without the infanticide at the end.

[FeminineMystique]

It's hard to sell him as an anti-hero when he's been shown as a mass murder on a Stalin/Hitleresque scale...

Short of some kind of total reboot of the character, there's really no way "back" from that to ANY kind of hero stance, even an anti-hero, who's supposed to be someone we identify with but who ain't so nice. Identifying with the slaughterer of millions got pretty hard.

No no, you don't understand! The country was working with Intergang! He was MAD! That makes it okay to commit genocide!:tongue:

[shanejayell]

I'd like to see this fight. He's a interesting fusion of barbarian man and superbeing, both like and unlike Diana.

[Karl O'Neill]

No. and BOO!

Black adam is one of the most badass and complex villains in comics period.

[Jim Thompson]

Absolutely would love to see this confrontation!

[4PointOh]

One artist gave his opinion on the matter.

From WIZARD:

WONDER WOMAN VS. BLACK ADAM
"Black Adam would more than likely clean her clock," Ross asserts. "All a guy like that has to do is grab her by the back of the hair where she has no leverage, fly up in the sky, out into space and throw her into the Sun. So it's not a really fair match. She would just have to be smart enough to figure out how to get away form him - or make that lasso move really damn quick."

EDGE: Black Adam

-Alex Ross

[rab082154]

Yes, he would sure do that to the Superfriends Diana. That is the only one that would happen to.

[Flâneur]

One artist gave his opinion on the matter.

From WIZARD:

WONDER WOMAN VS. BLACK ADAM
"Black Adam would more than likely clean her clock," Ross asserts. "All a guy like that has to do is grab her by the back of the hair where she has no leverage, fly up in the sky, out into space and throw her into the Sun. So it's not a really fair match. She would just have to be smart enough to figure out how to get away form him - or make that lasso move really damn quick."

EDGE: Black Adam

-Alex Ross
I guess we just need to put it into continuity that he's wrong.

He could be such a great presence in her book, seriously, the Isis stuff is oozing with potential.

[Deus ex Chris]

I want to see this. I'd love for Rucka to write it, in fact. I imagine he'd make it both explosive and meaningful.

[SJNeal]

One artist gave his opinion on the matter.

From WIZARD:

WONDER WOMAN VS. BLACK ADAM
"Black Adam would more than likely clean her clock," Ross asserts. "All a guy like that has to do is grab her by the back of the hair where she has no leverage, fly up in the sky, out into space and throw her into the Sun. So it's not a really fair match. She would just have to be smart enough to figure out how to get away form him - or make that lasso move really damn quick."

EDGE: Black Adam

-Alex Ross

Yet one more reason Mr. Ross should stick to drawing pretty pictures... :rolleyes:

[Superbeast]

One artist gave his opinion on the matter.

From WIZARD:

WONDER WOMAN VS. BLACK ADAM
"Black Adam would more than likely clean her clock," Ross asserts. "All a guy like that has to do is grab her by the back of the hair where she has no leverage, fly up in the sky, out into space and throw her into the Sun. So it's not a really fair match. She would just have to be smart enough to figure out how to get away form him - or make that lasso move really damn quick."

EDGE: Black Adam

-Alex Ross

Jesus Christ, that is some ETHER right there, Ross really must not rate WW at all. Hell, I'd like to think Diana would yank out her own hair by the roots to escape his grip as soon as she realised what he was doing and then stomp his nuts in with her wedge heels for having the gall to try dismiss her that easily.

[buttler]

One artist gave his opinion on the matter.

From WIZARD:

WONDER WOMAN VS. BLACK ADAM
"Black Adam would more than likely clean her clock," Ross asserts. "All a guy like that has to do is grab her by the back of the hair where she has no leverage, fly up in the sky, out into space and throw her into the Sun. So it's not a really fair match. She would just have to be smart enough to figure out how to get away form him - or make that lasso move really damn quick."

EDGE: Black Adam

-Alex Ross

That's ridiculous. So what, he can fly and she has long hair, so he wins? That's a stretch, and comes off as pretty dismissive of her fighting skills on the whole. Unless Black Adam is substantially stronger and faster than Captain Marvel (who has the strength of Hercules, whereas Diana's traditionally stronger than Herc), I can't see Adam having any particular advantage over Diana. Maybe he's more ruthless, but that describes almost anyone she fights, and for my money she's a much better strategist.

[americanwonder]

Black Adam is perfect foe for WW.

Can we steal him for awhile? Please?

[dreyga2000]

Everytime this thread comes... no one ever seems to take into account or outright ignore that Wonder Woman's Lasso basically gurantees her victory...

All Wondy needs to does is ask him what are your magic words while in contact with Lasso and he'll be forced to say the words and transform back into his human form in which he'll be easily defeated...

She's been able to tag Zoom (a character faster than the Flash) with her Lasso, while BLIND.... Entagling Adam should be an easy task...

[Superbeast]

Everytime this thread comes... no one ever seems to take into account or outright ignore that Wonder Woman's Lasso basically gurantees her victory...

All Wondy needs to does is ask him what are your magic words while in contact with Lasso and he'll be forced to say the words and transform back into his human form in which he'll be easily defeated...

She's been able to tag Zoom (a character faster than the Flash) with her Lasso, while BLIND.... Entagling Adam should be an easy task...

The other thing is though, I can't imagine Black Adam not keeping Isis by his side at all times these days so even if she ties up Adam, Isis will come through and kick her in the back of the head so Adam can get free.

Actually, thinking about it, why isn't Isis used in WW at all? She's powered by gods and has multitude of powers, right? Wikipedia says so.

Magically bestowed superhuman strength, speed, endurance and wisdom.
Flight.
Telekinesis.
Control over various aspects of nature.

It'd be interesting for Isis to try to up WW with vines or what not only for Diana to call on Gaea and the vines to recede. Also the TK thing is a tool WW would have to try work around, I think it'd be an interesting showdown.

[greatmetropolitan]

Long, epic fight in which people begin to realise that the "wonder" in Wonder Woman isn't just there to give her a fancy name. She kicks his ass from her to "eternity". Superbeast is right, she's rip her own hair if she thought it'd be used against her. She jabbed snakes in her eyes dammit!

If Adam can fight the lasso's power - and that's a big if - it can certainly be used to distract him. She'd be asking him dozens of questions, giving dozens of commands. While he's trying to resist, she's just beating on him. Isis shows, Hypolitta runs interference.

[buttler]

The other thing is though, I can't imagine Black Adam not keeping Isis by his side at all times these days so even if she ties up Adam, Isis will come through and kick her in the back of the head so Adam can get free.

Actually, thinking about it, why isn't Isis used in WW at all? She's powered by gods and has multitude of powers, right? Wikipedia says so.

Magically bestowed superhuman strength, speed, endurance and wisdom.
Flight.
Telekinesis.
Control over various aspects of nature.

It'd be interesting for Isis to try to up WW with vines or what not only for Diana to call on Gaea and the vines to recede. Also the TK thing is a tool WW would have to try work around, I think it'd be an interesting showdown.

I'd like to see WW and Isis together mainly because they were both live-action TV characters of my childhood at around the same time. Granted, Isis's show was wayyy hokier than Wonder Woman's, which was an impressive feat.

[Spiffy]

I guess we just need to put it into continuity that he's wrong.

He could be such a great presence in her book, seriously, the Isis stuff is oozing with potential.

I actually think Isis is a more interesting potential addition to Wonder Woman than Adam. Or if he's around, its just in a single issue at the beginning of an arc with her (as opposed to the end of an arc, I'll get to my reasoning for that later).

I dislike that Isis has been villanized by DC, but as long as its been done, use it. She's got to be out of control and clearly not in her right mind so that a story arc can be properly built to revitalize and "fix" the character. Pulling the character away from Adam as an endgame seems to me to be the best course.

I hadn't remembered it, but Wikipedia makes it clear that the Isis from WW's past, the Bana-Mighdallian goddess, and the Black Adam "superhero" version are completely unrelated. I say CHANGE that. Make a story where the non-goddess version is (re?) confirmed as an Avatar of the goddess, which would tie her back strongly into the Wonder Woman mythology.

[JurassicParkIsAnAwesomeMovie]

No. and BOO!

Black adam is one of the most badass and complex villains in comics period.

Totally agree...Black Adam is the baddest mofo around.

[Flâneur]

I actually think Isis is a more interesting potential addition to Wonder Woman than Adam. Or if he's around, its just in a single issue at the beginning of an arc with her (as opposed to the end of an arc, I'll get to my reasoning for that later).

I dislike that Isis has been villanized by DC, but as long as its been done, use it. She's got to be out of control and clearly not in her right mind so that a story arc can be properly built to revitalize and "fix" the character. Pulling the character away from Adam as an endgame seems to me to be the best course.

I hadn't remembered it, but Wikipedia makes it clear that the Isis from WW's past, the Bana-Mighdallian goddess, and the Black Adam "superhero" version are completely unrelated. I say CHANGE that. Make a story where the non-goddess version is (re?) confirmed as an Avatar of the goddess, which would tie her back strongly into the Wonder Woman mythology.
I agree for the most part. I think Isis would be better linked with the book in the long term as there is so much history that is tied up with Diana in that it would be a huge shame not to explore it. This is especially relevant now, given Diana's recent denouncement of her own religion as well as the current status of the Bana.

The Black Adam villain issue is still pretty important though; people come for the huge hero/villain fights and this would be pretty huge. He presents an opportunity for us to not only have this huge battle but also mine an important part of Wonder Woman (and Bana) history in the person of Isis.

I even think this is something that would work well with Gail's style, for some reason, even more so than if Rucka were to do this.

[Spiffy]

Well, as I said, I think its been established that these are two separate Isises--so the "common history" is actually all false.

But rather than that being a problem, I think its an opportunity. Explore that. Have Isis reconfirmed as a character who's supposed to be an Avatar of the REAL Isis and explain her "corruption" not just as Adam's influence, but also because she lost her connection (one she didn't even properly understand) to the Goddess.

I DO think that this, by necessity, minimizes Adam's role in that story. He's got to be the starting point, not the end point. If he goes up against Diana, it could be later on, in "revenge" for interfering with his dominance over Isis.

I think there's actually a lot of room to play with characters on the borders of mythology. For example, while it wouldn't be the same situation as with Isis (who should have a REAL mythological connection) I've already spoken elsewhere of using the Batman character Maxie Zeus in Wonder Woman. I think he may have been incidental to one of her stories before, but bring him back as a major character. He's a gangster who's DELUSIONAL and who THINKS he's Zeus (and of course isn't). Play with that. This would almost be the opposite of the potential Isis story in how it plays out, and could be a lot of fun. He's a powerless character, of course, but that can always be overcome with him having High Tech and lots of powerful hired super-muscle stooges.

[Flâneur]

Well, as I said, I think its been established that these are two separate Isises--so the "common history" is actually all false.

But rather than that being a problem, I think its an opportunity. Explore that. Have Isis reconfirmed as a character who's supposed to be an Avatar of the REAL Isis and explain her "corruption" not just as Adam's influence, but also because she lost her connection (one she didn't even properly understand) to the Goddess.

I DO think that this, by necessity, minimizes Adam's role in that story. He's got to be the starting point, not the end point. If he goes up against Diana, it could be later on, in "revenge" for interfering with his dominance over Isis.

I think there's actually a lot of room to play with characters on the borders of mythology. For example, while it wouldn't be the same situation as with Isis (who should have a REAL mythological connection) I've already spoken elsewhere of using the Batman character Maxie Zeus in Wonder Woman. I think he may have been incidental to one of her stories before, but bring him back as a major character. He's a gangster who's DELUSIONAL and who THINKS he's Zeus (and of course isn't). Play with that. This would almost be the opposite of the potential Isis story in how it plays out, and could be a lot of fun. He's a powerless character, of course, but that can always be overcome with him having High Tech and lots of powerful hired super-muscle stooges.

I don't think the history is false but rather the continuity (like having Pre-Crisis history which no longer exists) is lacking. I'm talking as much of the Isis figure as a whole in the DC as the specific character; she occurs on television, in Bana Amazon myths, as a warrior woman with godly power ... there's so much tying them together that it'd be great to explore the ties using Isis of the Black Marvels. In other words, we're basically saying the same thing.

Oh, in that kind of story it definitely does mean he can't have big a role (unless it's more like Invincible vs. Conquest) for long, though I think he's as viable for the Diana smash category as a number of Diana's villains currently are so I'm all for bridging him into Diana's world as well. An Isis plot would also give him a good motivation for making him a Diana rogue as well. Not necessarily in that arc though.

I agree about Maxie Zeus; I think we saw him as an annoyance for Huntress and Artemis in a Jimenez arc where Batman, Robin, Nightwing, Wonder Woman, Donna and Wonder Girl where trapped inside a Church with Joker and the Children of Ares. Horrible arc.

He would do great for Wonder Woman as a villain for an arc and it could even work as an excuse to include Huntress or Manhunter!

[mgs]

Unless Black Adam is substantially stronger and faster than Captain Marvel

I've read that's generally true. I've read he's basically a match for Superman, with added magical powers.

having no real opinions on this, as I know very little about BA, I've also generally read (maybe from the rumbles board, I think) that BA WOULD wipe the floor with WW. But I dunno, people here are generally saying that this would NOT be true.

[Flâneur]

I've read that's generally true. I've read he's basically a match for Superman, with added magical powers.

having no real opinions on this, as I know very little about BA, I've also generally read (maybe from the rumbles board, I think) that BA WOULD wipe the floor with WW. But I dunno, people here are generally saying that this would NOT be true.

Well, he doesn't really have extra powers. He's strong (more so than Clark), fast, can fly, is durable, immune to telepathy, can summon the thunderbolt etc. but lacks the eye beams, ice breath, x-ray vision and I don't think his senses are as intense. Basically, he's Superman as a physical force without the weaknesses or special abilities.

The match up is evened out on two levels; Diana can force him to depower himself with the Lasso -instantly- and she's held the thunderbolt of Zeus so that's no longer an effective weapon (whereas it pwns Clark). Physically she is outmatched but her artifacts and fighting skill should even the playing field a bit. She's fought Captain Marvel briefly before, anyway, so it wouldn't be entirely unprecedented for her to deal with Adam.

Either way, the fight would be epic and brutal and due to his significance in the DCU recently, it would get attention from the more mainstream readers but still tie into the mythic nature of Diana.

[BnL]

Neither character would "wipe the floor" with the other. Whoever won the battle would have to really earn it.

[Stanlos]

Black Adam and Isis vs WW would be a fairer fight

[cockrumfan]

Not going to happen for a long time, since the Marvel family is off limits for Earth 1 DCU, for a bit at least, other than Freddy.
I do think Adam walks away the winner, simply because 7 gods gifts are greater than 5. I could see Diana winning, and it would be a fight I'd like to see.
As far as the lasso angle is concerned, though, do we consider the time the lasso broke as canon or not? I know it snapped in Golden Perfect and Trinity, but I don't know if those still count, or if that would come into play.

[Agent Orange]

Black Adam would "clean Wonder Woman's clock"?

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Oh yeah, she seems like a real push over.

[froinlaven]

Black Adam would "clean Wonder Woman's clock"?

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Oh yeah, she seems like a real push over.

What does this prove really? She cut off someone's head.

[Superbeast]

What does this prove really? She cut off someone's head.

She intentionally blinded herself so she could stand in front of Medusa without turning to stone in order to cut her head off. That is pretty "by any means" in anyone's book.

[Stanlos]

Not going to happen for a long time, since the Marvel family is off limits for Earth 1 DCU, for a bit at least, other than Freddy.
I do think Adam walks away the winner, simply because 7 gods gifts are greater than 5. I could see Diana winning, and it would be a fight I'd like to see.
As far as the lasso angle is concerned, though, do we consider the time the lasso broke as canon or not? I know it snapped in Golden Perfect and Trinity, but I don't know if those still count, or if that would come into play.

Trinity is not or WAS not as far as I know. GP was and in that one the lasso was not snapped. Diana betrayed her guardianship of the Truth after which Truth (capital T) in Creation began to break down. The lasso was the first casualty. It exploded, scalding the Amazon and giving her what looked like seizure.

[cockrumfan]

Trinity is not or WAS not as far as I know. GP was and in that one the lasso was not snapped. Diana betrayed her guardianship of the Truth after which Truth (capital T) in Creation began to break down. The lasso was the first casualty. It exploded, scalding the Amazon and giving her what looked like seizure.

Ah, okay. I still think, though, that based on Adams power level set up, he can probably get around the lasso.

[Stanlos]

Ah, okay. I still think, though, that based on Adams power level set up, he can probably get around the laso.

His option would be to keep her at a distance and keep her busy. The thing is he has fewer tools with which to work so how long he could keep her away would really depend heavily on the environment. I guess the presence of innocents could be a factor but Adam is sometimes written as "heroic" too and so maybe jeopardizing innocents would be beneath him in such instances. He certainly seemed miffed at Dr. Psycho for doing it in Gail's Action story.

[show name]

I agree with others that Black Adam is a strong, fascinating character. His development in 52 was excellently handled. That said, I was quite annoyed that he was written as slaughtering an entire nation of millions of men, women and children with his bare hands. It bothered me that he did that, and it bothered me even more that the heroes did not step in and stop him. Then -- oh yes -- even more "bother" was to come, as after he genocided (not a word, I know) an entire country he then proceeded to kick the ass of virtually every single hero on DC Earth. His final punishment for committing all these misdeeds: being changed back into a mere mortal in search of his lost chocolate egg cream.

Call me old-fashioned (actually, please don't call me that) but I like it when the overall message of superhero comics is "crime does not pay." Not necessarily in each and every single story, naturally, but that's what I like the general trend to be. Well then, here's Black Adam (jerk!) who's committed a doozy of a crime, and hey man -- he's not paid! It's caused me distress similar to what I experienced watching the Trix commercials when I was growing up. (Give the rabbit some DAMN TRIX!!! What the hell is your problem? HE WANTS SOME!)

So anyway, yes, I would very much like Wonder Woman to throw down with Black Adam and furthermore I will be happy to see her utterly spank him in the most comprehensive, fan-wankingly satisfying way possible. With the utmost compassion, of course...for the sole purpose of teaching him that crime. does. not. pay.
[/RIGHTEOUS_RANT]

Regarding whether she can actually do said spanking...I'm going with yes. She trussed up a Flash-amped Amazo faster than Superman's eyes could register, so I think she can definitely hogtie Black Adam. That tiara of hers is not just for show, either. And she can also fly in on her invisible plane and rudely kick the door open and catch him in the shins. Stamina of Shu or no stamina of Shu, that's gonna hurt.

[troy2g1]

Well, he doesn't really have extra powers. He's strong (more so than Clark)... immune to telepathy

Huh? Where did you get this...?

[galactica]

I agree with others that Black Adam is a strong, fascinating character. His development in 52 was excellently handled. That said, I was quite annoyed that he was written as slaughtering an entire nation of millions of men, women and children with his bare hands. It bothered me that he did that, and it bothered me even more that the heroes did not step in and stop him. Then -- oh yes -- even more "bother" was to come, as after he genocided (not a word, I know) an entire country he then proceeded to kick the ass of virtually every single hero on DC Earth. His final punishment for committing all these misdeeds: being changed back into a mere mortal in search of his lost chocolate egg cream.

Call me old-fashioned (actually, please don't call me that) but I like it when the overall message of superhero comics is "crime does not pay." Not necessarily in each and every single story, naturally, but that's what I like the general trend to be. Well then, here's Black Adam (jerk!) who's committed a doozy of a crime, and hey man -- he's not paid! It's caused me distress similar to what I experienced watching the Trix commercials when I was growing up. (Give the rabbit some DAMN TRIX!!! What the hell is your problem? HE WANTS SOME!)

So anyway, yes, I would very much like Wonder Woman to throw down with Black Adam and furthermore I will be happy to see her utterly spank him in the most comprehensive, fan-wankingly satisfying way possible. With the utmost compassion, of course...for the sole purpose of teaching him that crime. does. not. pay.
[/RIGHTEOUS_RANT]

Regarding whether she can actually do said spanking...I'm going with yes. She trussed up a Flash-amped Amazo faster than Superman's eyes could register, so I think she can definitely hogtie Black Adam. That tiara of hers is not just for show, either. And she can also fly in on her invisible plane and rudely kick the door open and catch him in the shins. Stamina of Shu or no stamina of Shu, that's gonna hurt.

The thing is when a bad guy does something really bad, it increases their profile. Suddenly every writer wants to use that character and fans want their favorite hero to fight said character(there's a bit of that going on in this thread). Even when the character is punished, it does last because in a few months another writer will want to use the character in his or her story.

[BatmanX]

I love to c:

Wonder Woman vs. Black Adam
Wonder Woman vs. Lobo

I think if the fight scene r do well , it will make for a good story....

[Karl O'Neill]

It's simple.

Black adam would crush wonder woman.

He is one of the most powerful and complex villains in comics period.

He is captain marvel without restraint!

[Superbeast]

I can see Adam floating above her, mocking and dimissing her, going to fly away and then getting a lasso around his neck and being yanked backwards into the ground. I'd like to see Diana pinning Adam's head to the ground with her boot while choking him with her lasso and telling him to use his real magic words to call down the lightning otherwise she'd gonna pop his head like a swollen balloon by putting her heel through his head. I think while Diana lacks the power, she probably has the edge in utter ruthlessness. Plus, let's be honest, BA shouldn't be beating any of the trinity cleanly, they are franchise players and need trophy wins like these to keep their reps a lot more than Black Adam does.

[Karl O'Neill]

The Trinity is an illusion!

GL and FLASH are way cooler. Lets be honest here.

[Superbeast]

The Trinity is an illusion!

GL and FLASH are way cooler. Lets be honest here.

Maybe so, but it's still a profitable illusion that allows DC to at least try appeal to a female audience. I can't imagine the people funding the Twilight movies allowing that Pattinson dude to be caught doing some Jackass kind of stunt that'd damage his marketability. So until there is a greater demand for Black Adam lunchboxes over than Wonder Woman lunchboxes, the big three shouldn't really be losing and staying down to anyone except the absolute A list villains in the public eye.

[MinaRho1]

The Trinity is an illusion!

GL and FLASH are way cooler. Lets be honest here.

That's a matter of opinion (and which GL you happen to be thinking of).

I love the Trinity. I suppose that makes me a sheep to marketing, but I don't care. I love them to death.

I think a fight between Black Adam and Wonder Woman would be epic and I don't even mean that ironically. It should be big and frightening. Anyone in the vicinity would and should be terrified-- they'd get the heck out of dodge.

If done right it should be kinetic, fresh and scary. For some reason I'm thinking back to that famous(infamous?) first fight between Namor and The human torch. Something drawn out and more or less equal, and speeding from one place to the other, all the while locked in battle.

Why hasn't this been done already?

Oh, that's right. It would have to be written and drawn in a way that makes them both look good. That hasn't been DC's thing lately. Either one person is powerful and in the right, while the other is in the wrong, and acting OOC. I don't see them pulling this off in a way that either character deserves.

[show name]

The thing is when a bad guy does something really bad, it increases their profile. Suddenly every writer wants to use that character and fans want their favorite hero to fight said character(there's a bit of that going on in this thread). Even when the character is punished, it does last because in a few months another writer will want to use the character in his or her story.

Probably true! However, I'm actually totally fine with him being coming back again and again -- to get a tremendous ass-drubbing from every hero who wants to step in line! (And yes, also because he is an interesting character and can drive good stories.) Again, I just feel this dissonance that the scales were tipped so far in one direction and a correction hasn't been made yet. People think Joker is the DC epitome of "evil" or whatever you want to call it...but IMO what Black Adam has done makes Joker's deeds look like naughty little schoolboy pranks.

I would in fact love to see him repeatedly humbled. Humbled, mind you, not humiliated. His character hallmarks are his enormous hubris, arrogance, and sense of entitlement to be a total super-jerk. I would be delighted to see him utterly stripped of all that (at least for a while) not only so he could experience a microscopic portion of redemption, but also to see what kind of character and stories would emerge from that.

To me it never made sense for someone supposedly endowed with god-like wisdom to be acting like such a spoiled, pajama-wearing school-yard bully. Maybe if his enormous ego goes on vacation for a while we'll see some of his deeper aspects.

I say redeem the guy by letting Wonder Woman slap some awesome disciplinary action of divine magnitude on him, have him burn in the crucible for a while...then his character will be ripe for a huge movie blockbuster in which he can be portrayed as a noble anti-hero by The Rock. (Can you smell what Teth Adam is cooking?! :eek: )

[MinaRho1]

Probably true! However, I'm actually totally fine with him being coming back again and again -- to get a tremendous ass-drubbing from every hero who wants to step in line! (And yes, also because he is an interesting character and can drive good stories.) Again, I just feel this dissonance that the scales were tipped so far in one direction and a correction hasn't been made yet. People think Joker is the DC epitome of "evil" or whatever you want to call it...but IMO what Black Adam has done makes Joker's deeds look like naughty little schoolboy pranks.

I would in fact love to see him repeatedly humbled. Humbled, mind you, not humiliated. His character hallmarks are his enormous hubris, arrogance, and sense of entitlement to be a total super-jerk. I would be delighted to see him utterly stripped of all that (at least for a while) not only so he could experience a microscopic portion of redemption, but also to see what kind of character and stories would emerge from that.

To me it never made sense for someone supposedly endowed with god-like wisdom to be acting like such a spoiled, pajama-wearing school-yard bully. Maybe if his enormous ego goes on vacation for a while we'll see some of his deeper aspects.

I say redeem the guy by letting Wonder Woman slap some awesome disciplinary action of divine magnitude on him, have him burn in the crucible for a while...then his character will be ripe for a huge movie blockbuster in which he can be portrayed as a noble anti-hero by The Rock. (Can you smell what Teth Adam is cooking?! :eek: )

I never saw him as a true villain. Badass anti-hero/anti-villain maybe. Obviously his wisdom is of a different time where an eye for an eye was perfectly acceptable.

I would in fact love to see him repeatedly humbled. Humbled, mind you, not humiliated.

Could not agree more.

[Karl O'Neill]

Hal Jordan.

[Stanlos]

It's simple.

Black adam would crush wonder woman.

He is one of the most powerful and complex villains in comics period.

He is captain marvel without restraint!

And Wondy had done Cap without restraint as well as Superman without restraint.

That's not anything she hasn't seen before.

[MinaRho1]

And Wondy had done Cap without restraint as well as Superman without restraint.

That's not anything she hasn't seen before.
I must agree. She's fought and restrained Superman when he was in a altered and reckless state-- thats a pretty good benchmark.


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[show name]

I never saw him as a true villain. Badass anti-hero/anti-villain maybe. Obviously his wisdom is of a different time where an eye for an eye was perfectly acceptable.

Yah, there could definitely be some cultural and period-based coloring of his ethics...still, Bialya was most definitely not an eye for an eye. I also tend to think of wisdom as being in the opposite direction of Adam's characteristic arrogance and impatience.

The only time I can recall seeing his character acting in a way that suggested wisdom was in that one story when he purposely turned his back on Superman and refused to defend himself in the middle of their fight, ending their conflict immediately.
Generally, though, out of all the characters who have been endowed with god-like wisdom BA seems to show it the least. Though to be fair none of them tend to show that aspect of themselves to the fullest potential, Wonder Woman included.

[Flâneur]

Ah, okay. I still think, though, that based on Adams power level set up, he can probably get around the lasso.

If the Lariat of Hestia can work on Ares then I'm fairly sure it can work on Black Adam. It's one of those things; it never breaks at the hand of another, ever and it always works. The more important question has always been whether Diana gets to chance to use it.

[gavdob]

I always kind of thought with ISIS gone. He'd fall in love with Diana and have a strange relationship which mirrored hippolytes/hercules but verging on obsession and in the end of torturing or kidnapping diana she would kick his ass!!

And she could. A pissed diana is SCARY!

[Disciple_of_the_Bat]

Black Adam would curbstomp WW. She wouldnt stand a chance.

[Wonder Watcher]

I always kind of thought with ISIS gone. He'd fall in love with Diana and have a strange relationship which mirrored hippolytes/hercules but verging on obsession and in the end of torturing or kidnapping diana she would kick his ass!!

And she could. A pissed diana is SCARY!I think there should be more villains (and heroes) obsessing on Diana. You could easily see it happening, as Dinah said, everyone looks up to her, even the villains.

[gavdob]

I dont think hed crush her at all. Powerwise is very close tho he does I think edge her but her skill is an advantage.

[Capricons]

Wonder Woman would take this

[Arrogantcur]

Who would like to see Diana smash him up? Raise your hands!

Hold on, wait. Is the question about whether I want to see a fight between Wondy and Adam, or whether I want to see Wondy decimate Adam?

I would love to see a fight between them, but I don't want to see her beat him easily. That's what I meant when I voted that it would be epic.

[nightforce]

Ah, okay. I still think, though, that based on Adams power level set up, he can probably get around the lasso.

I am sorry but I doubt that. Diana has really good speed. And she should be much faster than Adam due to her being smaller

[galactica]

I am sorry but I doubt that. Diana has really good speed. And she should be much faster than Adam due to her being smaller

I don't think body size matter a whole lot when we are dealing with the levels of speed and power these guys have. Is Power Girl so much stronger than Supergirl because she has bigger muscles?

[nightforce]

What does this prove really? She cut off someone's head.

It proves that Wonder Woman won't be like standing there taking hits like a chump. She is willing to rip her own arm off if she had to to save herself or an innocent

[nightforce]

I can see Adam floating above her, mocking and dimissing her, going to fly away and then getting a lasso around his neck and being yanked backwards into the ground. I'd like to see Diana pinning Adam's head to the ground with her boot while choking him with her lasso and telling him to use his real magic words to call down the lightning otherwise she'd gonna pop his head like a swollen balloon by putting her heel through his head. I think while Diana lacks the power, she probably has the edge in utter ruthlessness. Plus, let's be honest, BA shouldn't be beating any of the trinity cleanly, they are franchise players and need trophy wins like these to keep their reps a lot more than Black Adam does.

Ok, I wish YOU were the one writing that Wonder Woman vs Black Adam :biggrin:

[nightforce]

The Trinity is an illusion!

GL and FLASH are way cooler. Lets be honest here.

Let's be honest here they can't hold a comic title as long as Wonder Woman has.

[nightforce]

Maybe so, but it's still a profitable illusion that allows DC to at least try appeal to a female audience. I can't imagine the people funding the Twilight movies allowing that Pattinson dude to be caught doing some Jackass kind of stunt that'd damage his marketability. So until there is a greater demand for Black Adam lunchboxes over than Wonder Woman lunchboxes, the big three shouldn't really be losing and staying down to anyone except the absolute A list villains in the public eye.

Well said buddy.

I haven't seen many lunchboxes, Keychains, Refrigerator Magnets, Drinking glasses, Calendars, Solo Comics, Dolls, action figures, pillows, Notebooks Mousepads, Underwear, Halloween costumes with Black Adam's likeness.

Oh well at least he got that "Cool Factor" going for him.:wink:

[nightforce]

I don't think body size matter a whole lot when we are dealing with the levels of speed and power these guys have. Is Power Girl so much stronger than Supergirl because she has bigger muscles?

You have a point I guess.

But I don't think Black Adam could take Wonder Woman down easily as some claim

[Eliseu Gouveia]

WW VS Black Adam should be EPIC.

She should win, of course, but if Diana just grabs an axe and caves his head in, I´d be very upset.

[dreyga2000]

Ah, okay. I still think, though, that based on Adams power level set up, he can probably get around the lasso.

Seriously???

Here is Diana tagging Zoom,a character who various showing outsped The Flash, with the Lasso while Blind....No one in the DC Universe is faster than Zoom....

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Unless someone can show me evidence that Black Adam is faster the Zoom he loses against Diana Ten times outta Ten

As I saud before...


Everytime this thread comes... no one ever seems to take into account or outright ignore that Wonder Woman's Lasso basically gurantees her victory...

All Wondy needs to does is ask him what are your magic words while in contact with Lasso and he'll be forced to say the words and transform back into his human form in which he'll be easily defeated...

She's been able to tag Zoom (a character faster than the Flash) with her Lasso, while BLIND.... Entagling Adam should be an easy task...

Wondie Wins this one everytime...

[galactica]

You have a point I guess.

But I don't think Black Adam could take Wonder Woman down easily as some claim

No. A fight between BA and WW should be like the Sodom Yat/Superboy-Prime fight at the end of SCW or the fight between Thor and Bor in JMS's run. Something epic that spends concussive waves every time a punch connects.

[Arrogantcur]

WW VS Black Adam should be EPIC.

She should win, of course, but if Diana just grabs an axe and caves his head in, I´d be very upset.

You 'n' me both, Zeu!

[Tardis Tipper]

Seriously???

Here is Diana tagging Zoom,a character who various showing outsped The Flash, with the Lasso while Blind....No one in the DC Universe is faster than Zoom....

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Unless someone can show me evidence that Black Adam is faster the Zoom he loses against Diana Ten times outta Ten
.

Plot induced stupidity on Zoom's part.

And the scene is seriously devalued by the fact that she has to turn around and go back to fighting her own villains. Who are usually complete losers.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

A couple people posted these in the "DC"s biggest badasses" thread:


Black Adam is himself pretty bad ass. Ever read his recent mini series? Lost his powers, chased by everyone on Earth, half dead and he still managed to get his powers back! :eek:


Black Adam. Or more specifically, Teth Adam

While depowered, he climbed a mountain in the himalayas with his wife's corpse strapped to his back, stopping only to munch on his servant's leg for sustenance. When he dropped his wife's corpse down a ledge, he disemboweled a yeti and used its entrails as a climbing rope without bothering to kill the thing.

The Dark Age was awesome and full of badassery.

:eek:

[galactica]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;10127879']A couple people posted these in the "DC"s biggest badasses" thread:





:eek:

That sounds pretty gruesome but Black Adam the Dark Age was a great miniseries and I think the gruesomeness had a place especially coming of the darkness surrounding Adam after his actions in 52. Great work by Peter Tomasi and Doug Manke.

That's a team I would love to see do a Wonder Woman project. Tomasi writes some of the best superhero action and Doug Manke draws some of the best. But both do human emotion really well too.

[Stanlos]

I think she is owed some Bizarro payback after the Wagner debacle. He would be more of a challenge than Adam what with all the offensive arsenal. Black Adam is cool and all but he falls a bit short.

[Stanlos]

Black Adam would curbstomp WW. She wouldnt stand a chance.

At senet? Sure! I think he has a great chance there since he would know the board game beforehand being from that culture.

[Arthas]

To be perfectly honest while I would love the fight, I would also want WW to grab him in a Lasso and ask Black Adam two (possibly three) simple questions:

1) Did he really kill the population of an entire country? and if so why? (Because I still don't get the motivation for that compared to Black Adam in the rest of 52).

2) Why if the people he wanted to kill were in China, did he take a side trip around the rest of the world and fight/kill heroes there?

[Eliseu Gouveia]

At senet? Sure! I think he has a great chance there since he would know the board game beforehand being from that culture.

He´s also very good at making pasta.
Pretty sure he beats her at that, but only because he uses ingredients unbecoming of a cuisine chef.

[gwydion]

No. A fight between BA and WW should be like the Sodom Yat/Superboy-Prime fight at the end of SCW or the fight between Thor and Bor in JMS's run. Something epic that spends concussive waves every time a punch connects.

Yeah, probably. But Adam would likely win. He did after all beat pretty much EVERYONE but the Trinity at one time in WWIII. Including several Green Lanterns, the Martian Manhunter, at least one Flash, Donna Troi, most of the other Titans, most of the JSA including Power Girl...

It took Captain Marvel to put the mystical whammy on him, and change his word, to defeat him, (though J'ohn did a good bit of telepathic hurt via his Ghostrider "feel their pain" routine).

Even when he's not at his most powerful, he's proven capable of fighting the entire JSA---I don't see someone who can do that losing to Diana. Especially not since he's one of Geoff Johns' favorites.

Even when Johns isn't writing him, he always seems to punch above his weight class, and impressive feat considering what that class is.


That said, I'm not in favor of that fight. The Marvels---all of them---should be kept to the JSA and each other. Let Gail create her own villains for Diana to fight. The other Marvels and the JSA have a much better motivation to fight Adam.

[Jbenn]

To be perfectly honest while I would love the fight, I would also want WW to grab him in a Lasso and ask Black Adam two (possibly three) simple questions:

1) Did he really kill the population of an entire country? and if so why? (Because I still don't get the motivation for that compared to Black Adam in the rest of 52).

2) Why if the people he wanted to kill were in China, did he take a side trip around the rest of the world and fight/kill heroes there?

For the answers to both of your questions I say bad writing. The one things I really REALLY hated in 52 was how quickly BA went from an anti-hero to a mass murderer of proportions never seen before on Earth (yes, he literally killed almost killed every single man, woman, and child in an entire country with his bare hands). The fact that he know that China and Oolong Island was behind it (and it seems he did) but waited to go after them LAST (while going on a world tour of destruction on countries he knew to be innocent) made absolutely no sense. And this simple thing - the complete destruction of Biyala has really put him beyond the pale. He's not Hal Jordan, BA was never a "hero" to begin with (but rather the dark mirror of the real hero, CM) and he has no parasitic giant yellow space bug to explain away his crimes.


That said, I'm not in favor of that fight. The Marvels---all of them---should be kept to the JSA and each other. Let Gail create her own villains for Diana to fight. The other Marvels and the JSA have a much better motivation to fight Adam.

Ideally the Marvels should be in their own book and not in the JSA (Mary and Freddy have no connection to the JSA at all) and not in Wonder Woman or Superman or any other book.. Though I've always thought it a waste that Diana or Donna or Hippolyta (Countdown as bad as it was - re-established an explicit connection between Mary and Polly) never took Mary under their wing as they did Supergirl. Especially Hippolyta given her new/renewed devotion to the Gods - of whom Mary was the champion of many (and in pre-Crisis days, of Hippolyta herself). Given what went down in Countdown with Donna and FC with Diana (and in the Power of Shazam series the Morrison JLA Big 7 pledged to watch over the Batson siblings and keep them safe - something none of them did) it's been pretty inexplicable there's been no follow-up. Diana seems to have more time to talk to Giganta than a young haunted girl.

Also? It's always amazed me that Black Adam has been shown to have the strength to take out entire nations (literally) and to take on virtually every hero on Earth (it was only Captain Marvel's taking away his powers that stopped him) and yet whenever Cap, Mary or Jr. appear in any book you never get that "OMG we're screwed" reaction from any heroes or villains. Captain Marvel (and by extension Mary and since Trials of Shazam, Freddy) should be able to hold their own against Kal-El and Diana at worst and beat them at best (they are kids remember, imagine if they had Black Adam's experience), yet they are often portrayed as jokes - while Black Adam isn't.

[nightforce]

WW VS Black Adam should be EPIC.

She should win, of course, but if Diana just grabs an axe and caves his head in, I´d be very upset.

You get no argument from me

[nightforce]

Yeah, probably. But Adam would likely win. He did after all beat pretty much EVERYONE but the Trinity at one time in WWIII. Including several Green Lanterns, the Martian Manhunter, at least one Flash, Donna Troi, most of the other Titans, most of the JSA including Power Girl...

It took Captain Marvel to put the mystical whammy on him, and change his word, to defeat him, (though J'ohn did a good bit of telepathic hurt via his Ghostrider "feel their pain" routine).

Even when he's not at his most powerful, he's proven capable of fighting the entire JSA---I don't see someone who can do that losing to Diana. Especially not since he's one of Geoff Johns' favorites.

Even when Johns isn't writing him, he always seems to punch above his weight class, and impressive feat considering what that class is.


That said, I'm not in favor of that fight. The Marvels---all of them---should be kept to the JSA and each other. Let Gail create her own villains for Diana to fight. The other Marvels and the JSA have a much better motivation to fight Adam.


Well Diana has the same powerset from almost the same Gods that the Marvels do. I am not sure how she is going to be weaker that Black Adam. Add to that her arsenal. And you have an epic fight

[Jbenn]

Well Diana has the same powerset from almost the same Gods that the Marvels do. I am not sure how she is going to be weaker that Black Adam. Add to that her arsenal. And you have an epic fight

Black Adam gets his power from the Egyptian Gods (not the Greeks like the modern Marvels) and the Egyptian Gods are pretty much even more amoral than the Greek ones (in 52 when Cap went to ask the Egyptian gods to take away BA's power, they said no because they were cool with what he was doing - or they didn't care). Black Adam's "wisdom" for example is vastly different than the Wisdom of Solomon (the Marvels) or the Wisdom of Athena (Diana) and would cause him to make very different decisions in a fight.

[Whirlwind Dinamo]

Black Adam would "clean Wonder Woman's clock"?


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Oh yeah, she seems like a real push over.
What does this prove really? She cut off someone's head.

Black Adam is a guy who always fights dirty with ill intent, he uses people's moral code against themselves and also likes to bully weaker opponents like Billy. CapMarvel might be super but he's still a boy and the fight tactics Adam uses always are ill intent and disgusting.
Wonder Woman may have the better fight recorded, she fought a bloodlusted combination of SupermanDoomsday, she fought the god Ares....and unlike Superman if pushed Wonder Woman can go all out. Adam might have some of the better HUARRGH...lifting feats, lifting things thousands of tons so fanboys can rumble him on internet battles forums but she is still tough. She has killed enemies stronger than her, she is better trained and has better fighting skills.


He did after all beat pretty much EVERYONE but the Trinity at one time in WWIII. Including several Green Lanterns, the Martian Manhunter, at least one Flash

The Flash characters don't win fights, they rarely ever beat anyone. I think people like to love the invincible internet Flash and rumble him on internet battles forums saying he speed blitzes everyone to death with thousands of punches but that's not the way he works. Flash has no real super strength and no real power to soak hits like Superman does, most of the time he can only annoy people like a fly buzzing around someone. When he goes head to head with someone, blow for blow with someone as tough as Superman, he's a bug going splat on a car windshield. Flash will typically have a tough time beating some Mr Freeze guy or some guy shooting heat rays, not exactly godlike creatures.
Black Adam's win against Martian Manhunter was pathetic, perhaps one of the most stupid comics I have read in my life. I'm not saying my boy J'onn J'onzz can not lose, I mean most of the time he fights stupidly and he has that fire weakness.
but when Black Adam beat Manhunter he beat Manhunter in a telepathic fight, yes TELEPATHY!?!?
Telepathy is one of the things Manhunter is supposed to be topdog in all the time, BlackAdam has no telepathic power whatsoever
The comic was completely fu*%cking stupid,
but I don't want to single out any writer like Keith Champagne, Olliffe, Geraci like many other comics these days characters behave completely out-of-context, people lose fights they shouldn't lose and splash pages are filled big red splashes of guts and gore just because writers like Geoff Johns and Brian Michael Bendis think it would be cool....that's just the way the comicbook medium is wrote these days.

[Stanlos]

Everytime this thread comes... no one ever seems to take into account or outright ignore that Wonder Woman's Lasso basically gurantees her victory...

All Wondy needs to does is ask him what are your magic words while in contact with Lasso and he'll be forced to say the words and transform back into his human form in which he'll be easily defeated...

She's been able to tag Zoom (a character faster than the Flash) with her Lasso, while BLIND.... Entagling Adam should be an easy task...


There is a LOT of factors not being taken into account. It is not a fair match and not at all for the reasons Ross and others of his mindset profess.

However, it would make for a great story to show how Wonder Woman operates. She would try to reach Black Adam. At the end he would not understand her behavior.

Other than that, Adam is not a good match. The mystical advantage that levels the playing field when he fights Superman is gone when he is pitted against Wonder Woman and her bracelets make using the lightning trap a liability.

[Stanlos]

It's simple.

Black adam would crush wonder woman.

He is one of the most powerful and complex villains in comics period.

He is captain marvel without restraint!

We've Wonder Woman battle Captain Marvel without restraint in continuity. With no problems.

We've also seen Wonder Woman battle Superman without restraint. In continuity. With no problems.

And Black Adam has fewer tools than Supes.

I don't understand where the notion that he "crushes" her comes from. What advantages, in your perception, does he hold versus Wonder Woman?

[Whirlwind Dinamo]

We've Wonder Woman battle Captain Marvel without restraint in continuity. With no problems.

We've also seen Wonder Woman battle Superman without restraint. In continuity. With no problems.

And Black Adam has fewer tools than Supes.

I don't understand where the notion that he "crushes" her comes from. What advantages, in your perception, does he hold versus Wonder Woman?

Black Adam's "advantages" would be limited, Diana would give him one hell of a fight and maybe even beat him

[Power Guy]

I would very much love to see this fight!

[Power Guy]

Yes, he would sure do that to the Superfriends Diana. That is the only one that would happen to.


Right? I swear, there were some episodes of the Superfriends in which it seemed like Diana didn't have any powers at all. :(

[LoneNecromancer]

The Flash characters don't win fights, they rarely ever beat anyone. I think people like to love the invincible internet Flash and rumble him on internet battles forums saying he speed blitzes everyone to death with thousands of punches but that's not the way he works. Flash has no real super strength and no real power to soak hits like Superman does, most of the time he can only annoy people like a fly buzzing around someone. When he goes head to head with someone, blow for blow with someone as tough as Superman, he's a bug going splat on a car windshield. Flash will typically have a tough time beating some Mr Freeze guy or some guy shooting heat rays, not exactly godlike creatures.

I know I'm replying to someone months ago but still- to go at the speed of light your mass has to increase and reach infinite levels. And force = mass times acceleration. Now think about the amount of power Flash can put behind a punch if he's been running fast enough.

[Bluewing_A23]

I know I'm replying to someone months ago but still- to go at the speed of light your mass has to increase and reach infinite levels. And force = mass times acceleration. Now think about the amount of power Flash can put behind a punch if he's been running fast enough.

Now give him a knife and think how many heads he can chop off without them even knowing that their heads have been chopped off. Wonder Woman can't cut that many heads, and she's a head chopping expert! You can ask Ares on that!