Very Interesting!

[Gail Simone]

I have received THREE letters today from big-time Hollywood insiders, and they ALL feel that this change at DC actually increases the odds of a WW film being made tenfold.

These people know what they're talking about. It's speculation, but it's INFORMED speculation.

So it could be really GOOD news for WW fans.

I'm just passing this along.

[aegisbearer]

I have received THREE letters today from big-time Hollywood insiders, and they ALL feel that this change at DC actually increases the odds of a WW film being made tenfold.

These people know what they're talking about. It's speculation, but it's INFORMED speculation.

So it could be really GOOD news for WW fans.

I'm just passing this along.

Gail, I think I speak for many people when I say: We'll believe it when it happens.

I certainly hope it bodes well for our girl :smile:

[Free-Man]

Hmmmm......

They wouldn't be interested in you scripting, would they?:wink:

[aegisbearer]

Hmmmm......

They wouldn't be interested in you scripting, would they?:wink:

Oh don't even tease me :wink:

[West Mantooth]

Oy gevalt!

[LittleMissVixen]

Yay.....keep the faith my fellow amazons!

[aegisbearer]

Oy gevalt!

LMAO! Never thought I'd see THAT on a WW board. :)

I say that all the time.

[shanejayell]

I'd be VERY interested in a Gail scripted WW movie.

[Nevermore999]

Awwwwesome! And man, I am sure a WW movie scripted by you would be the best thing ever.

[Free-Man]

I'd be VERY interested in a Gail scripted WW movie.

I'm not sure how realistic her doing the script would be, but the Iron Man film had an interesting idea. Favreau met with a think tank of top Marvel writers and showed them the concept art, script drafts, and told them his ideas, and these people gave him feedback and advice. Mark Millar was actually able to convince Favreau to use Iron Monger instead of Mandarin.

It would be awesome if they got Gail, Perez, Rucka, and some others to do the same for WW.

[BnL]

Yeah, I think it does increase the odds that we'll finally get a Wonder Woman movie. What I'm skeptical about is whether or not it will be any good.

[turnedm]

I think that with the right cast, right script and lots of great special effects, this movie can kick ass. I know for a fact that I could be much better than Superman Returns, if Gail should write the script. (and yes, I am wearing my chap stick)

Now, who would you like to see as WW, Gail?

[Gail Simone]

This is one of the questions I get asked the most and I simply don't know enough actresses to pick. I just don't keep up with that stuff. Sorry!

[Spiffy]

I have received THREE letters today from big-time Hollywood insiders, and they ALL feel that this change at DC actually increases the odds of a WW film being made tenfold.

These people know what they're talking about. It's speculation, but it's INFORMED speculation.

So it could be really GOOD news for WW fans.

I'm just passing this along.

Is this under the assumption that now that Joel Silver is allegedly (at least according to this (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/09/09/breaking-warner-bros-creates-dc-entertainment-big-changes-afoot-for-comic-book-movies/)) going to pass on it, that somebody with some sense about the character might take over?

[suedenim]

Yeah, I think it does increase the odds that we'll finally get a Wonder Woman movie. What I'm skeptical about is whether or not it will be any good.

It makes sense to me and looks, at least in part, like a move made due to envy of how Marvel's rather deftly exploiting its comics properties, while DC's are stuck in development hell at a variety of different places.

[Shatagni]

This is one of the questions I get asked the most and I simply don't know enough actresses to pick. I just don't keep up with that stuff. Sorry!

Your not the only one. Joss Weaton once said that he was cursed with being asked that dreaded question over and over when he took the writing job.

[turnedm]

Your not the only one. Joss Weaton once said that he was cursed with being asked that dreaded question over and over when he took the writing job.

Who is Joss Weaton?

[nightforce]

I think he or she meant Joss Whedon. LOL

That does sound lke good news Gail. I would even be better news if you were the one writing her with George Perez.

[Shatagni]

Gah! curse my mispronunciation! My bad :tongue:

[nightforce]

It is cool. I knew who you meant. I think the other person was just having fun on you. He knew what you meant as well :smile:

[jamie23m]

This is the 3rd older thread ive 'bumped' today (no more, promise). But this really frustrates me.

Since the Lynda Carter show it seems WW has been thought of many times when it comes to bringing her back either on TV or with a Movie. So whats blocking her from returning?

Im 23 yet will i see a WW film/tv show in my lifetime???

[Tiberious]

No

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[Augie Pires]

This is the 3rd older thread ive 'bumped' today (no more, promise). But this really frustrates me.

Since the Lynda Carter show it seems WW has been thought of many times when it comes to bringing her back either on TV or with a Movie. So whats blocking her from returning?

Im 23 yet will i see a WW film/tv show in my lifetime???

I'm sure in your lifetime. Will everyone like it? That's up for debate. I loved the animated film (so we did get one), flaws and all. Most of my friends dug it too.

[jason_w]

Im 23 yet will i see a WW film/tv show in my lifetime???

I'm sure we'll see something at some point. She's one of DC and WB's most recognizable icons and it's hard to fathom that nothing would be done with the property.

[bulldog_milt]

I think what is blocking her from appearing on TV/Movies is the same thing that blocks her from being a standout in the comics. She is a complex character that even the fans have differing opinions on. Because she has appeared on TV before you walk a thin-line... You can't have a completely unrecognizable version of the character, but you can't use the one that appeared before because it doesn't 'talk' to the new generation.

Honestly they need to look at Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek as examples of how things can work when you put a new twist on the characters. You get the initial bumps - remember the people decrying Starbuck as a female... but then it settles out if you have a well thoughout, well written story with great actors.

The other issue that Wonder Woman faces is that if you go with the 'Warrior' version then people will compare her to Red Sonja or Xena... If you go with the Superhero version then she gets compared to Superman.

One of the reasons that WW worked in the 70s was because they ignored 90% of the origin when they launched the character... She wasn't made from clay, she didn't interact with the gods, she didn't constantly return to PI, etc. etc. etc. It was WW in our World (whether WWII era or 70s era). That could work now - I don't think that DK's version was the right way to go.

[Scott Taylor]

One of the reasons that WW worked in the 70s was because they ignored 90% of the origin when they launched the character... She wasn't made from clay, she didn't interact with the gods, she didn't constantly return to PI, etc. etc. etc. It was WW in our World (whether WWII era or 70s era). That could work now - I don't think that DK's version was the right way to go.

This is so true. Be careful what you wish for from Hollywood. Personally, I would welcome a seventies approach even if it rankles a bunch of fans. The approach was really solid and managed to capture alot of non-fans.

[blackphoenix]

As long as she's wearing her shorts and not those stupid stretch pants, I'm there.

[wagthedog]

As long as she's wearing her shorts and not those stupid stretch pants, I'm there.

Yeah, but there are many people on this forum who wish for the 'edgy' superheroine, and apparently that one needs leggings or cavalry pants. Also, she needs straps (the tv pilot forgot the strap part). Lastly, they don't want her to have heels (curiously, she didn't have high heels in the pilot in the action scenes, but like magic had them without the action -- just like the unwatchable cheesefest the 70's show is supposed to be).

[TripleX]

You can't drift too far from the tv version and expect it to work. "Cheesefest" or not you just can't. It's the one the most people are familiar with.

[bulldog_milt]

You can't drift too far from the tv version and expect it to work. "Cheesefest" or not you just can't. It's the one the most people are familiar with.

You actually can if you sell it right. But DK and WB were trying to have their cake and eat it too. They kept referencing the old show saying that this was a reinterpretation of that show - it wasn't it was a reinterpretation of the character of WW.

You can do a serious take on WW that has nods to the 70s show and the comic and still be good. They just have to get the right creator behind the production - and I don't think it is DK.

I really don't see how hard it is to get the pilot right... You start on PI, the crash, the competition, and then you move to America. The key to success is that the reason for her going to America has to be more than to 'return' Steve Trevor, and has to be something that can carry the series for several seasons or at least several episodes until they can get a new status quo in place - Like smallville did with the meteor freak-of-the-week then moved to non-related stories...

[Obsidian Thought]

WW is completely marketable, from her bulletproof bracelets to the unique villains she fights, she's just suffering from lack of interest and dedication from TPTB (film directors/writers both in TV and film).

All we need is someone who has a concept, vision and passion for the character. Someone who will keep her origins and character in mind. Ultimately, someone who see's why WW is a unique heroine from any other.

WW really is a premier heroine. She's thought of before most heroines from other comics. She deserves more chances and opportunities in TV and film.

[Scott Taylor]

Sure you could make a TV series much different from the 1970s version and have it be popular. The world is so ready for a heroine that solves problems with love...and fists...and is into bondage.

[Obsidian Thought]

Sure you could make a TV series much different from the 1970s version and have it be popular. The world is so ready for a heroine that solves problems with love...and fists...and is into bondage.

Heh! Every episode closes with WW and Steve in leather and chains...

Diana: You know, I had a hard day today Steve. It moments like this that make it all fade away.

Steve: I feel the same way to Angel. I love you.

Diana: I love you too....*snaps whip* NOW LIKE MY BOOT B****!

[Jared Song]

It seems like they're not interested in the character but just in the name and public recognition that goes with it.

As soon as you turn her into something else people get interested.

[Glynne Ainsworth]

I have received THREE letters today from big-time Hollywood insiders, and they ALL feel that this change at DC actually increases the odds of a WW film being made tenfold.

These people know what they're talking about. It's speculation, but it's INFORMED speculation.

So it could be really GOOD news for WW fans.

I'm just passing this along.

so is this based on the changes themselves or the word of mouth of those same changes.

[BrianPGH1972]

Heh! Every episode closes with WW and Steve in leather and chains...

Diana: You know, I had a hard day today Steve. It moments like this that make it all fade away.

Steve: I feel the same way to Angel. I love you.

Diana: I love you too....*snaps whip* NOW LIKE MY BOOT B****!

Lol. I hope they chose a safe-word first! :wink:

[Scott Taylor]

Just as the scene fades to black and the credits start to roll, you hear Steve yell out "BANANA! BANANA! BAAAANAAAAANAAA!"

[carabas]

You can't drift too far from the tv version and expect it to work. "Cheesefest" or not you just can't. It's the one the most people are familiar with.Your mileage may vary: I don't think the Lynda Carter version worked at all.

[Giskard]

Your mileage may vary: I don't think the Lynda Carter version worked at all.

I agree, but you can't tell that to some people. They feel that a campy show from '70s should be a starting point. It would be like making the modern Batman films using the campy '60s TV show as a starting point. And I'm sure there are some who would have preferred that route, right here on CBR. The "Batman voice" upsets them EVER so much.

[zryson]

i don't believe it is going to happen and given warner's rather dubious record at bringing the dc superheroes to the big screen, what are the odds that a wonder woman movie will be given serious treatment?

[jaysinleigh]

i don't believe it is going to happen and given warner's rather dubious record at bringing the dc superheroes to the big screen, what are the odds that a wonder woman movie will be given serious treatment?

This. We've waited SOOOOOOO long for this to actually happen that I feel like when it does, the chances are greater that Warner screws it up then that they actually get it right.

[Zagreus]

I agree, but you can't tell that to some people. They feel that a campy show from '70s should be a starting point. It would be like making the modern Batman films using the campy '60s TV show as a starting point. And I'm sure there are some who would have preferred that route, right here on CBR. The "Batman voice" upsets them EVER so much.

No Hollywood movie would ever get off the ground using the campy 70's movie as the template, or WW in star-spangled panties. It wouldn't happen, and would never get green-lit. They would never invest millions of dollars in something that modern audiences would laugh off screen. Just wouldn't happen. And I laugh at the comic-book geek mentality that thinks this is a realistic possibility. And people wonder why DC doesn't pay attention to rantings of its fan base! I would ignore the fans too! Including myself, but I assume I'm ignored and don't care, I just come here for $#&%# and giggles ;-P

This is part of the reason for the reboot, to appeal to a larger fan base, and if they alienate the hard-core loyalists, so be it, they are a small number of 30 + year olds anyway and if they try to hold on to those folks with out appealing to the younger generation their business will die out. So, stuff like corny star-spangled panties and tangled decades old continuity that so-many die-hard mega-fans hold dear has to go out the window. And all the internet ranting and raving wont save it. It's money folks. Pure and simple. You want art? Write your own stuff, that YOU own.

[zryson]

This. We've waited SOOOOOOO long for this to actually happen that I feel like when it does, the chances are greater that Warner screws it up then that they actually get it right.

very true! and the same problems remain; finding the right lady to play diana/wonder woman, giving her enough of a serious treatment on screen so audiences can invest in her emotionally through her journey from paradise island to man's world and also providing a quality supporting cast, and also incorporating the classic elements that have made wonder woman an icon.

[Scott Taylor]

Ya know, the more I think of it, this comes down to talent and being able to sell the role. Lynda Carter was talented and convincing, she just plain believed in what she was doing and it was great.

[zryson]

Ya know, the more I think of it, this comes down to talent and being able to sell the role. Lynda Carter was talented and convincing, she just plain believed in what she was doing and it was great.

very true. she just *was* wonder woman.

[carabas]

very true. she just *was* wonder woman.I grudgingly have to agree. If only she could have had a proper costume and real scripts to work with.

[brettc1]

I agree, but you can't tell that to some people. They feel that a campy show from '70s should be a starting point. It would be like making the modern Batman films using the campy '60s TV show as a starting point. And I'm sure there are some who would have preferred that route, right here on CBR. The "Batman voice" upsets them EVER so much.

I can only assume that folks who talk about the Lynda Carter show as campy think the same thing of the original Battlestar Galactica.

The original BSG was not camp, it was just the product of a different time. Same with the 70's WW. The first season was sometimes played tongue in cheek, but it was nowhere near the level of the Adam West Batman.

[JC77]

Is this really the Gail Simone that started this thread?

[aegisbearer]

Is this really the Gail Simone that started this thread?

Yes, she did. She helped bring this forum into existence.

[nightforce]

I can only assume that folks who talk about the Lynda Carter shoe as campy think the same thing of the original Battlestar Galactica.

The original BSG was not camp, it was just the product of a different time. Same with the 70's WW. The first season was sometimes played tongue in cheek, but it was nowhere near the level of the Adam West Batman.

OMG thank you Brett for saying this. I am not sure how some people can compare the 60's Batman to the Wonder Woman series.

Loved this post

[nightforce]

No Hollywood movie would ever get off the ground using the campy 70's movie as the template, or WW in star-spangled panties. It wouldn't happen, and would never get green-lit. They would never invest millions of dollars in something that modern audiences would laugh off screen. Just wouldn't happen. And I laugh at the comic-book geek mentality that thinks this is a realistic possibility. And people wonder why DC doesn't pay attention to rantings of its fan base! I would ignore the fans too! Including myself, but I assume I'm ignored and don't care, I just come here for $#&%# and giggles ;-P

This is part of the reason for the reboot, to appeal to a larger fan base, and if they alienate the hard-core loyalists, so be it, they are a small number of 30 + year olds anyway and if they try to hold on to those folks with out appealing to the younger generation their business will die out. So, stuff like corny star-spangled panties and tangled decades old continuity that so-many die-hard mega-fans hold dear has to go out the window. And all the internet ranting and raving wont save it. It's money folks. Pure and simple. You want art? Write your own stuff, that YOU own.

Wow why so freaking condescending? What makes you the guy who knows everything?


Anyway


Really really silly thing for you to say to say the least. We NOW have a man, in green tights and a ring and a domino mask flying through the air. I mean how campy is that? Yet here we are with a movie of The Green Lantern.

You might want to watch how you say things.

PS Green Lantern is getting bad reviews.

[Stromberg5]

I can't believe the number of people who are even caring enough to discuss this...It doesn't matter who they cast, how good the script is, what the costume looks like, none of it...Because with half the Wonder Woman fans none of it will matter at all. All they will see is everything the powers-that-be AREN'T doing that they want them to do.

[nightforce]

Oh you mean like every other Fan of other Superheroes? Yeah I agree,

[dupersuper]

Oh you mean like every other Fan of other Superheroes? Yeah I agree,

I would disagree, but I have a copy of Superman 4 at home.

[brettc1]

And yet now I see over at Jinxworld GREEN LANTERN aint doing so well.

So does that make it more or less likely we will see a JLA or Wonder Woman movie...

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/green_lantern/

[Tiberious]

And yet now I see over at Jinxworld GREEN LANTERN aint doing so well.

So does that make it more or less likely we will see a JLA or Wonder Woman movie...

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/green_lantern/

We are never going to have a WW movie. Never.

[Tiberious]

DC's GL flop + Snyder's Superman flop + everyone's final acceptance that TDK would have sucked without Ledger will end DC superhero movies.

DC's relaunch fiasco gimmick is proof that they are on their last legs.

It's the beginning to the end.

[carabas]

Snyder's Superman flopSurely it's a wee bit early to start pissing vinagre about that one?


everyone's final acceptance that TDK would have sucked without Ledger will end DC superhero movies.Oh, totally. The Joker story would have completely stunk if it wouldn't have had the frelling Joker in it. Likewise, Thor would probably not have been very good without the guy playing Thor in it.

[Zagreus]

Wow why so freaking condescending? What makes you the guy who knows everything?


Anyway


Really really silly thing for you to say to say the least. We NOW have a man, in green tights and a ring and a domino mask flying through the air. I mean how campy is that? Yet here we are with a movie of The Green Lantern.

You might want to watch how you say things.

PS Green Lantern is getting bad reviews.

Fair enough- as far as the condescending tone. I'll try and take it down a notch. When I look at WW movie prospects, I put myself in the head of the executive, and couldn't imagine green-lighting the old-school 1970's WW, or even WW in her classic costume. In pants, sure, I could see her getting a movie. Sure, do I KNOW this, not really, and I'm just spewing, but I doubt it.

Now, GL is a different deal. He's built up a significant fan base over the past five years or so, has multiple books under his banner, has an easy to sell story line (super hero plus space opera) so I can see why that was green lit and millions were spent. How the movie actually does, who knows, but as far as the "okay, let's get this movie made" process, I can see why GL was given the nod.

If all of a sudden, WW family books are headling a couple of titles, and they're selling like hotcakes, with people loving the USA iconography of stars and stripes, I'm happy to eat my crow. And I'm sure if that were the case, hollywood would be happy to join the bandwagon and invest some millions into a WW movie with her in the classic outfit. However, that's not the case right now.

I can see the new outfit being much more appealing to a Hollywood exec, and to other folks as it gets rid of some of the camp, and divests her of the US symbolism which makes her an easier sell overseas.

And yes, company driven stories can be art, of course, and I love comics, but folks probably shouldn't worry too much about the continuity. It's always consumer driven, dollars and cents, and they have to appeal to a younger fan base who doesn't care what Perez wrote in the 80's (for example).

[Chiroptera]

DC's GL flop + Snyder's Superman flop + everyone's final acceptance that TDK would have sucked without Ledger will end DC superhero movies.

DC's relaunch fiasco gimmick is proof that they are on their last legs.

It's the beginning to the end.

Oh lawdy, don't do that SoD! You've been a sane and rational forum goer, don't turn into one of those "these are the end times!" posters!

GL actually isn't a flop, it's received a bad reception with critics but it has had a strong opening weekend. Heck, even Superman Returns wasn't a critical failure; and TDK, regardless of who did or did not carry the film, made Warner and DC a literal mountain of money.

This is far from the beginning of the end. The final Nolan Batman movie will almost certainly be the end of super hero movies that actually get Oscar nods but it's far, far from the end of super hero films as a genre, or super heroes themselves.

[NotSuper]

I only care about whether a GOOD movie gets made. (I'd rather have no movie than a bad one.)

Right now, DC needs to find out how to make a successful (critical and box office wise) super-hero movie that isn't Batman.

[Flamebird]

I would disagree, but I have a copy of Superman 4 at home.

Ok, that's just sick. :wink:

[TripleX]

You actually can if you sell it right. But DK and WB were trying to have their cake and eat it too. They kept referencing the old show saying that this was a reinterpretation of that show - it wasn't it was a reinterpretation of the character of WW.

You can do a serious take on WW that has nods to the 70s show and the comic and still be good. They just have to get the right creator behind the production - and I don't think it is DK.

I really don't see how hard it is to get the pilot right... You start on PI, the crash, the competition, and then you move to America. The key to success is that the reason for her going to America has to be more than to 'return' Steve Trevor, and has to be something that can carry the series for several seasons or at least several episodes until they can get a new status quo in place - Like smallville did with the meteor freak-of-the-week then moved to non-related stories...

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/trouble-man10/tumblr_ln0g9b4esJ1qa70eyo1_500.jpg

^This is what I'm talking about. See how everything about her is pretty, shiny, sparkly and dripping in femininity? That's why the show was as successful as it was. Cathy Lee Crosby's toned down, realistic approach failed because that's not what people want from Wonder Woman. They want the improbably perfect spectacle that Lynda Carter provided. Adrianne Palicki pouncing parked cars and running down city streets in an ugly outfit isn't it. You have to balance pulverizing criminals with glamor and beauty for the show to be hit. That's what the "Make-her-more-like-Xena" people don't get.

[dupersuper]

Ok, that's just sick. :wink:

It was part of the set...don't judge me!!

[Scott Taylor]

^This is what I'm talking about. See how everything about her is pretty, shiny, sparkly and dripping in femininity? That's why the show was as successful as it was. Cathy Lee Crosby's toned down, realistic approach failed because that's not what people want from Wonder Woman. They want the improbably perfect spectacle that Lynda Carter provided. Adrianne Palicki pouncing parked cars and running down city streets in an ugly outfit isn't it. You have to balance pulverizing criminals with glamor and beauty for the show to be hit. That's what the "Make-her-more-like-Xena" people don't get.

You make a compelling argument. Making her more "realistic" also usually implies making her more like the way male heroes usually get depicted, to me thats a mistake because of the comparisons it raises. WW the TV series had to do with the strength of the female lead, Lynda Carter is just larger than life. You could surround her with strong men and she held her own.

Xena might not be a bad comparison. I felt that she was feminine but still pretty strong and really sold the role.

[brettc1]

I really don't see how hard it is to get the pilot right... You start on PI, the crash, the competition, and then you move to America. The key to success is that the reason for her going to America has to be more than to 'return' Steve Trevor, and has to be something that can carry the series for several seasons or at least several episodes until they can get a new status quo in place - Like smallville did with the meteor freak-of-the-week then moved to non-related stories...

heh - that's not how I would start it at all. :cool:

[jamie23m]

I'd rather have no movie than a bad one.

I disagree. Id rather have a bad movie than not have a film made (in my lifetime)

[jamie23m]

Sorry for the big pictures, but you get the idea.

*PLEASE DONT QOUTE THESE*

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6823/ww1ha.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6953/ww2j.jpg

[jamie23m]

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/8020/ww17.jpg

[Stromberg5]

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/8020/ww17.jpg

Well this one actually looks like Wonder Woman and not just some Xena wannabe.

[carabas]

Well this one actually looks like Wonder Woman and not just some Xena wannabe.It not coincidentally is also the one most likely to be worn by a porn star in a parody film, and the one least suited for an action movie.

[Augie Pires]

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/8020/ww17.jpg

WOW I love this costume.



It not coincidentally is also the one most likely to be worn by a porn star in a parody film, and the one least suited for an action movie.

Except that her costume in the comics pretty much resembles it except for the tie on the side. May be a bit too over the top for a film, but it's not bad either. I dig the design. :)

[carabas]

WOW I love this costume.




Except that her costume in the comics pretty much resembles it except for the tie on the side.Precisely my point.

[Terrifan2]

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/8020/ww17.jpg

I definitely fell the comic feel with this it is well done. I love how you displayed it has a comic poster.

[zryson]

when it comes to a movie version there are several things i want; no dc involvement. considering the folks at dc have trouble getting their comics right, i hope they have zero input when it comes to the movie version of ww. secondly, i want someone who is believable in the role which will be difficult considering often they want to go with big name actors and many of those have baggage. also a decent script, director and also something befitting the legacy of wonder woman.

[Black Atom]

Your mileage may vary: I don't think the Lynda Carter version worked at all.

That's not really a matter of debate. It clearly did work, if by "work" we mean resonated with people. It lasted for three seasons and still has a place in lots of people's hearts.

The exact same approach probably wouldn't work today, just because we see superheroes differently now. But a Wonder Woman (or Superman, for that matter--something they got wrong with Superman Returns) live action vehicle should be a lot closer to something fun and funny like Spider-Man than Batman Begins.

[TripleX]

If it's true people see female superheroes differently (in movies) it's because they're often depicted like men. The BEST Wonder Woman JLU appearance to me was when she kicked some bad guy's ass and then did an exaggerated hair flip.

[carabas]

If it's true people see female superheroes differently (in movies) it's because they're often depicted like men.I think it's because films about female superheroes are almost without exception very badly written and made with a fraction of the budget of a male superhero's film.