Why isn't PG Banned From Earth?

[gwydion]

Like the rest of the Kryptonians? The DCU public knows that she's Kryptonian, (this was revealed in the finale of Kurt Busiek's Third Kryptonian, with some extra hints earlier in that arc). Is the general public in the DCU capable of making the sort of distinction about what sort of Kryptonian she is, and would they even care?

[Retro315]

I suppose the average public must know that she's from a parallel universe.

Of course, just how much Joe Public knows about parallel universes comes into question - to an average schlubb, wouldn't she just be considered another Kryptonian? Unless she's got her own PR people ...

[CMBMOOL]

Like the rest of the Kryptonians? The DCU public knows that she's Kryptonian, (this was revealed in the finale of Kurt Busiek's Third Kryptonian, with some extra hints earlier in that arc). Is the general public in the DCU capable of making the sort of distinction about what sort of Kryptonian she is, and would they even care?

Great question, one I hope that is answered within the New Power Girl series. :tongue:

[DonC]

In-story explanation? No clue.

Real world explanation? She wasn't enough of a part of the overall story arc? They were launching her series at the time and didn't want to start it with her living somewhere in outer space with no back-story? They were hoping no one would ask?

The possibilities are endless.

[Alex Smith]

Hm, that is a good question. I'm sure it's an easy answer they'll give us eventually, probably centered around the fact that she's not from the same Krypton and that she's the Chairwoman of the JSA. As of now I don't think it has actually been addressed though.

[The Batman]

In universe, I'd just assumed that it was because nobody really considered PG a daughter of Krypton. Editorially, I imagine it's simply the necessity of not conflicting with what's already going on with PG.

[DeadXMan]

two words: boob window:wink:

[gwydion]

To recap: The public definitely knows PG's Kryptonian; what's her name the Third Kryptonian mentioned reading about that, and the aliens sent to capture all the Kryptonians in the same arc knew about PG as a Kryptonian from hearing about her as such in Earth's media.

So there's no confusion there, they know. I'm just curious if there has been any in story reason put forth as to why she hasn't fallen under the same ban.

[AdamYJ]

Y'know, I actually think of her more as an alternate reality survivor than a survivor of Krypton.

Then again, I was okay with her old Post-Crisis origin with her being Arion's granddaughter. I never understood why people thought it was confusing.

[The Batman]

To recap: The public definitely knows PG's Kryptonian; what's her name the Third Kryptonian mentioned reading about that, and the aliens sent to capture all the Kryptonians in the same arc knew about PG as a Kryptonian from hearing about her as such in Earth's media.

So there's no confusion there, they know. I'm just curious if there has been any in story reason put forth as to why she hasn't fallen under the same ban.

Well, so much for the theory that the public doesn't think of her as Kryptonian then. Perhaps it has something to do with how she self-identifies? If she's not throwing in with these New Kryptonians then maybe all sides are content enough to leave her be?

[WorstThingUS]

Because very little about what occurs with Power Girl has to do with logic.

[Sean Walsh]

two words: boob window:wink:

The man's onto something here, methinks...

[KET]

Because very little about what occurs with Power Girl has to do with logic.


This.


But seriously, I would say that since PG isn't directly involved with events in the "New Krypton" storyline, Superman editorial simply hasn't particularly CARED one way or the other whether she's "banned from Earth" or not. Besides, as a character, PG falls under JSA editorial control.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Wasn't Power Girl's connection to Krypton 'disproven'? Given all her origins, I don't see why anyone would now identify her as Kryptonian. Hell, when that collector guy showed up, she didn't even read as such to his scanners, IIRC.

[gwydion]

Wasn't Power Girl's connection to Krypton 'disproven'? Given all her origins, I don't see why anyone would now identify her as Kryptonian. Hell, when that collector guy showed up, she didn't even read as such to his scanners, IIRC.

The mention that the media said she was Kryptonian was from after that part of the arc. And since Superman confirmed that the Auctioneer's scanners couldn't read her as Kryptonian in his Fortress, and presumably didn't go first thing and tell everyone, (especially since at the same time that the scanners failed to detect her as Kryptonian he was thinking that she was regardless), I doubt the DCU public at large knows about that.

Evidently, PG herself was telling the media she is Kryptonian, since Karsta mentions that PG "claimed" to be Kryptonian. And given that she's been using all the classic Kryptonian powers in public, is said by the media to be Kryptonian, and given that the military probably has some knowledge that she is---I'm still puzzled.

It wouldn't even take much to explain why she's exempt from the ban, just an offhand mention that she's considered to be loyal to Earth or something like that.

[Rik Levins]

While we're on the subject--is Power Girl immune to kryptonite?

Kal-L wasn't affected by Batman's Green K ring, and Superboy/man Prime was unharmed by the remnants of Krypton when they flew through them...in both cases they mentioned that kryptonite which wasn't from their own universe couldn't affect them.
Is this also the case with PG? It would seem that, like her cousin, she'd be immune to any K that isn't be from Earth-2, but I haven't been following the books for some time so I don't know if the question's even come up.

[IvCNuB4]

It wouldn't even take much to explain why she's exempt from the ban, just an offhand mention that she's considered to be loyal to Earth or something like that.

Actually in an interview a few months back Didio said that the PowerGirl title would skirt around the Kryptonian-banning issue. Since her title launched so close to the "New Krypton" arc he wanted to give it a chance to get off the ground and establish her in this title before involving her in what's going on in the main Superman books .....

[Mat001]

The mention that the media said she was Kryptonian was from after that part of the arc. And since Superman confirmed that the Auctioneer's scanners couldn't read her as Kryptonian in his Fortress, and presumably didn't go first thing and tell everyone, (especially since at the same time that the scanners failed to detect her as Kryptonian he was thinking that she was regardless), I doubt the DCU public at large knows about that.

Evidently, PG herself was telling the media she is Kryptonian, since Karsta mentions that PG "claimed" to be Kryptonian. And given that she's been using all the classic Kryptonian powers in public, is said by the media to be Kryptonian, and given that the military probably has some knowledge that she is---I'm still puzzled.

It wouldn't even take much to explain why she's exempt from the ban, just an offhand mention that she's considered to be loyal to Earth or something like that.

Exactly. When Power Girl first arrived on Earth-0, as people remember it, she was declared Kryptonian. That is until it was disproven in JLI #9. No one has gone out and said that Karen is Kryptonian. What Karsta said in Superman #669 was based on the history as she knew it. Not knowing about the various Crisis events and history changes.

Kal-L wasn't affected by Batman's Green K ring, and Superboy/man Prime was unharmed by the remnants of Krypton when they flew through them...in both cases they mentioned that kryptonite which wasn't from their own universe couldn't affect them.
Is this also the case with PG? It would seem that, like her cousin, she'd be immune to any K that isn't be from Earth-2, but I haven't been following the books for some time so I don't know if the question's even come up

She was affected by red sunlight in Superman #670, but it's unclear if the Green Kryptonite weapons had any affect on her. I think I recall reading that Green Kryptonite did affect her around 2002, but it hasn't since then.

[gwydion]

Green and Red K don't effect her---except for the weird case of Earth-2 Kryptonite, which shouldn't effect her, since it isn't from her universe, but was shown to, probably to give Johns a quick way to incapacitate her for the purposes of the story, continuity cop as Johns is...:wink:

But New Earth/Earth-1 Kryptonite presumably of any sort doesn't do anything to her. I would imagine that if General Lane ever did try to use it on her, he'd be very surprised and very unhappy very quickly.

[CMBMOOL]

Actually in an interview a few months back Didio said that the PowerGirl title would skirt around the Kryptonian-banning issue. Since her title launched so close to the "New Krypton" arc he wanted to give it a chance to get off the ground and establish her in this title before involving her in what's going on in the main Superman books .....

Which is to me, a bunch of hot air. :mad:

I mean she at least deserves a chance to look into the New kryptoian planet on the other side of the sun. :frown:

[Mat001]

Why? They're not her people. Not in the slightest.

[drpblunt]

Why? They're not her people. Not in the slightest.

Neither were the Kandorians of the nightwing/flamebird storyline in Supergirl's title but she showed a vested interest in the people and thought of them as her own.

and with the General Lane storyline, it makes less sense, technically she is the MOST powerful threat against his plans simply because she IS a Kryptonian that has NO weakness he can exploit other than the magic angle, cause Kryponite doesn't work on her, I mean, they could at least acknowledge her by having him "keep tabs" on her thru his video screens at least, or a passing mention, but no....

everyone else who has connections to the Superman family as been dusted off and thrust back into his title, Supergirl, FlameBird/NightWing, SuperBoy, Mon-El, Krypto,

IMO PG is to superman what Meg is to the Family Guy.

and everytime I hear someine say "well she is more of a JSA characte" i have to say MON-EL!!!! Mon-El has the same pedigree as PG in that, yeah, he got his start in the pages of Superman, but he will ALWAYS be associated with the Legion but that didn't stop DC from making him the MAIN character is Supes own title, so with that logic she should be well more tied to the Superbooks. IMHO

[KET]

Neither were the Kandorians of the nightwing/flamebird storyline in Supergirl's title but she showed a vested interest in the people and thought of them as her own.

So you're going to cite a story that DIDN'T DIRECTLY IMPACT HER as proof that PG should somehow be involved in a crossover that also doesn't directly involve her? :rolleyes:



everyone else who has connections to the Superman family as been dusted off and thrust back into his title, Supergirl, FlameBird/NightWing, SuperBoy, Mon-El, Krypto,

WRONG; Flamebird and Nightwing are basically NEW characters featuring names which had originated with Superman and Jimmy Olsen. And I might add that Superboy hasn't been directly involved with "New Krypton" much, either.


and everytime I hear someine say "well she is more of a JSA character" i have to say MON-EL!!!!

What ABOUT Mon-El?? From the very beginning, that character fell under the editorial authority of the Superman office. ALL of the original Legion characters came in being under the Superman office. Power Girl has NEVER, ever enjoyed that particular distinction.

So, have we exhausted all the relatively weak and CONVOLUTED ideas for including her yet? :biggrin:

[CBikle]

and everytime I hear someine say "well she is more of a JSA characte" i have to say MON-EL!!!!

I always kind of figured that the JSA and Superman had joint-custody over PG.

Post- CRISIS, I just figured that PG approached Superman early on, he took her to the Fortress, did some tests that revealed that she wasn't Kryptonian, told her, the news pissed her off/scared her and she got angry at the messenger, Supes tried to smooth things over, but PG was too pissed off, so he somehow talked her into working with/training under the JSA and the rest is history. Sort of.

[paulski]

two words: boob window:wink:

Yup. The government recognises good boobs when it sees them.

[drpblunt]

So you're going to cite a story that DIDN'T DIRECTLY IMPACT HER as proof that PG should somehow be involved in a crossover that also doesn't directly involve her? :rolleyes:

i cited that story just to show that in one arc she shows an affinity for "kryptonians" that are not 'her' kryptonians, i'm speaking of the character not editorial, and i'm speaking of a broader aspect of not including her in the ssuper books at all recently not kust WoNK.


WRONG; Flamebird and Nightwing are basically NEW characters featuring names which had originated with Superman and Jimmy Olsen. And I might add that Superboy hasn't been directly involved with "New Krypton" much, either.

Yeah I get that these two are New characters but the concept is from the silver age an old concept dusted off ands given a new angle... and again i'm speaking about how DC seems to be consolidating characters that belong to 'Families" like what their doing over at batman for instance, it just seems to me that she has as much right to be included in the superman family as Mon-El


What ABOUT Mon-El?? From the very beginning, that character fell under the editorial authority of the Superman office. ALL of the original Legion characters came in being under the Superman office. Power Girl has NEVER, ever enjoyed that particular distinction.

Really, Superman's Cousin??? yeah, right never had that distinction. look i live in amsterdam and work in a coffeshop but brother, give me what you've been smoking cause it seems way stronger than what we sell here at my shop:biggrin

So, have we exhausted all the relatively weak and CONVOLUTED ideas for including her yet? :biggrin:

including her in WoNK, no, she doesn't have to be included, but it would be nice if she was mentioned

and did you even read her 1st mini, Superman did include her in his circle and even though she didnt turn out to be his cousin directly he implied that she would always be considered family.

look, i'm a PG fan and would just like to see her tied in a bit more to the character that she was originally tied to. Earth 2 superman is still Superman and she was hiss cousin, there sshould be a little more connection with the current supes and her.

maybe after the WoNK arc ends we will see her more, I can only hope

[Paul Siu]

May be she did something similar to Mon-El, where a large group of government Anti-K shock troop showed up and hit her with a large amount of green K. When she beat them all up, they concluded that she wasn't Kryptonian after all.

Paul

[Mat001]

Neither were the Kandorians of the nightwing/flamebird storyline in Supergirl's title but she showed a vested interest in the people and thought of them as her own.

That's because she was lead to believe that someone in there knew about Argo and she wasn't used to life on Earth. Karen was more than used to life on Earth. And she knows the difference between her Krypton and Kara's.

and with the General Lane storyline, it makes less sense, technically she is the MOST powerful threat against his plans simply because she IS a Kryptonian that has NO weakness he can exploit other than the magic angle, cause Kryponite doesn't work on her, I mean, they could at least acknowledge her by having him "keep tabs" on her thru his video screens at least, or a passing mention, but no....

That assumes Lane knows that she is Kryptonian. He doesn't even know what Mon-El is and it is not beyond reason for his equipment to have a faulty reading. And that again assumes that he'd follow her. For all we know, he still thinks that she's from Atlantis.

everyone else who has connections to the Superman family as been dusted off and thrust back into his title, Supergirl, FlameBird/NightWing, SuperBoy, Mon-El, Krypto,

All of Kryptonians that are publically known, except for Mon-El.

IMO PG is to superman what Meg is to the Family Guy.

and everytime I hear someine say "well she is more of a JSA characte" i have to say MON-EL!!!! Mon-El has the same pedigree as PG in that, yeah, he got his start in the pages of Superman, but he will ALWAYS be associated with the Legion but that didn't stop DC from making him the MAIN character is Supes own title, so with that logic she should be well more tied to the Superbooks. IMHO

Mon-El is in the Superman book, yes. He was brought in specifically since he has no solo title and was not being used much in the Legion. In fact, since 2006, Mon-El has been in the Phantom Zone. He only got out for a few issues in two separate books, before going right back in or staying in the 31st century. Power Girl, on the other hand, has a different editor helming her title. Johns, Robinson and Rucka are not writing any book with her in it. Palmotti, Gray, Willingham and Sturges are not under obligation to tie her into the Superman books. Ergo, she's not.

WRONG; Flamebird and Nightwing are basically NEW characters featuring names which had originated with Superman and Jimmy Olsen. And I might add that Superboy hasn't been directly involved with "New Krypton" much, either.

To be fair, Conner's been dead for a while. So they have to get him back up to speed. Which is what Johns and Manpaul are doing right now.

I always kind of figured that the JSA and Superman had joint-custody over PG.

Post- CRISIS, I just figured that PG approached Superman early on, he took her to the Fortress, did some tests that revealed that she wasn't Kryptonian, told her, the news pissed her off/scared her and she got angry at the messenger, Supes tried to smooth things over, but PG was too pissed off, so he somehow talked her into working with/training under the JSA and the rest is history. Sort of.

The issue of Superman featuring Power Girl and JLI #9 are still in continuity. They were refered to in the PG mini and in Superman #662. That said, she's always been JLI, JLE and the JSA proper. She was only included in certain stories that either were written by Johs in the Superman titles or she was used in "The Third Kryptonian" since the whole story revolved around a new Kryptonian and they had to rule her out. And then she was a target of an anti-Kryptonian force. Here, she doesn't have to be involved. Just because a few fans have their underwear in a twist over the lack of inclusion doesn't amount to much. They're not abusing her, they're not treating her like Meg Griffen. It's a conscious decision.

BTW, regarding Meg Griffen, she's treated that way because fans didn't like her in the first season. So MacFarlene decided to make it into a running joke.

[gwydion]

Even the supervillains know PG is Kryptonian; UH mentions it in the first arc of her series, wondering how long Kryptonians live as he ponders how long he'll have in her body, (not that way!).

I'm sure Lane knows pretty well that she's Kryptonian, probably even that she's not from his universe or "his" Krypton, since that seems to have been revealed in whatever news articles spilled the beans on her, as per Karsta's mention of her.

However, he doesn't seem the sort to make fine distinctions between Kryptonians---he seems to pretty much want all aliens, and especially Kryptonians, dead. And the point that she's immune to the number one standard weapon against Kryptonians is well taken, and would make Lane especially worried about her if he knows it.

Question: Wasn't PG on various monitors that Lane and Zod were looking at early on in the story?

[Static-Pulse]

IMO PG is to superman what Meg is to the Family Guy.

Ha! I'm so going to quote that.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

IMO PG is to superman what Meg is to the Family Guy.


It's quotes like that that make me so much happier that PG is normally associated more with JSA than the Superman-titles/family. At least PG is respected by JSA fans.

[Mr Wesley]

I'm sure this means exactly bupkis, but the Power Girl action figure that is scheduled to ship in the next couple of months has her Atlantean origin, not her Kryptonian one.

[Mat001]

A screw-up that might be changed before it ships.

[drpblunt]

It's quotes like that that make me so much happier that PG is normally associated more with JSA than the Superman-titles/family. At least PG is respected by JSA fans.


Don't get me wrong, PG is one of my all time favorite characters, it's just an observation i made regarding Superman editorial, don't get why their reluctant to include her more in the Superverse, but yeah, at least she gets much respect from JSA and she has her own title:biggrin:

[vitruvian]

Not that it matters too much in terms of Power Girl's continued operations in the JSA, but is the ban on Kryptonians truly worldwide, or more of a US thing? After all, there's no body capable of actually passing such a ban on a worldwide basis, even the UN having no such ability, and I could see there being any number of countries that would invite Kryptonians in as very powerful allies.

[Spiffy]

Not that it matters too much in terms of Power Girl's continued operations in the JSA, but is the ban on Kryptonians truly worldwide, or more of a US thing? After all, there's no body capable of actually passing such a ban on a worldwide basis, even the UN having no such ability, and I could see there being any number of countries that would invite Kryptonians in as very powerful allies.
Its one of the few huge dumb flaws in the (otherwise interesting) current story arc. There's no way anyone can be effectively "banned from the Earth" with any enforceable legality. Unless the DCU U.N. is a LOT different from the real one.

And of course General Lane acting as the voice of the world's law and order is also pretty laughable.

[drpblunt]

Its one of the few huge dumb flaws in the (otherwise interesting) current story arc. There's no way anyone can be effectively "banned from the Earth" with any enforceable legality. Unless the DCU U.N. is a LOT different from the real one.

And of course General Lane acting as the voice of the world's law and order is also pretty laughable.

plus, i dont even see how it's enforceable in the US let alone the world, what other states have the capacity to enforce such a ban, even the Sci Police don't seem to be adequate to the task. still a good story though

[Mat001]

Not that it matters too much in terms of Power Girl's continued operations in the JSA, but is the ban on Kryptonians truly worldwide, or more of a US thing? After all, there's no body capable of actually passing such a ban on a worldwide basis, even the UN having no such ability, and I could see there being any number of countries that would invite Kryptonians in as very powerful allies.

The UN, which is the United Nations, voted to ban all Kryptonians except Superman off of Earth. And apparently, the UN has that right based on what all the Kryptonians have done. From Kara's actions in "Amazons Attack" to what happened during "New Krypton" and the Phantom Zone breakout. People also remember what happened the last time a power house like a Kryptonian was capable of, as we saw with Black Adam in "52". Black Adam took out a whole nation by himself. 5 Kryptonians managed to kill several Science Police officers. 30 of them managed to take over the US and take down all of the heroes. 200 managed to give Earth's heroes a run for their money. Imagine what 100,000 could do to the whole world.

And of course General Lane acting as the voice of the world's law and order is also pretty laughable

Why? The US President gave him that authority and the actions of the Kryptonians have given him that support. Remember, the threat of Black Adam united the Earth once before. The threat of a planet full of Kryptonians would do so again and Lane, who was thought to have died as a hero, would earn him all kinds of brownie points.

[vitruvian]

The UN, which is the United Nations, voted to ban all Kryptonians except Superman off of Earth. And apparently, the UN has that right based on what all the Kryptonians have done. From Kara's actions in "Amazons Attack" to what happened during "New Krypton" and the Phantom Zone breakout. People also remember what happened the last time a power house like a Kryptonian was capable of, as we saw with Black Adam in "52". Black Adam took out a whole nation by himself. 5 Kryptonians managed to kill several Science Police officers. 30 of them managed to take over the US and take down all of the heroes. 200 managed to give Earth's heroes a run for their money. Imagine what 100,000 could do to the whole world.

I guess the DCU UN is substantially different in terms of what it's capable doing, then. In our world, even if the UN passed such a resolution, it would be incapable of enforcing it in many nations; not only are there countries in the world that aren't members of the body, but there are even members that feel free to ignore the UN when convenient. What's the UN or the US realistically going to do if, say, China decided to invite the Kryptonians for a while in exchange for help on some massive civil engineering programs, like putting up all the dams and windmills and solar facilities (maybe even solar power satellites) needed so they never again needed to import oil or burn coal? Go to war with China and the Kryptonian contingent there? Even worse, there are bodies of people on Earth that the US, at least, is already warring with.... why would the Taliban insurgents, or whoever the Shield is fighting on the Bialya/Kahndaq border, give a hoot about a UN resolution? Of course, the latter situation would be much clearer cut as a casus belli with New Krypton, but really the whole treatment of the UN as a rubber stamp for the US strikes me as very parochial.


Why? The US President gave him that authority and the actions of the Kryptonians have given him that support. Remember, the threat of Black Adam united the Earth once before. The threat of a planet full of Kryptonians would do so again and Lane, who was thought to have died as a hero, would earn him all kinds of brownie points.

Again, there are large parts of the world where the POTUS giving him that authority, secretly no less, would cut absolutely no ice with anyone. In fact, there are regions where Lane would be opposed simply because he was from the US.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

They banned Kryptonians, they didn't ban Big Boobs.

Big Boobs trumps Krypton.

[Series5Ranger]

Its one of the few huge dumb flaws in the (otherwise interesting) current story arc. There's no way anyone can be effectively "banned from the Earth" with any enforceable legality. Unless the DCU U.N. is a LOT different from the real one.

And of course General Lane acting as the voice of the world's law and order is also pretty laughable.

*cough* Norman Osborn *cough*

[Series5Ranger]

They banned Kryptonians, they didn't ban Big Boobs.

Big Boobs trumps Krypton.

Also explains why Supergirl didn't make the (Dress) cut.

[CBikle]

I guess the DCU UN is substantially different in terms of what it's capable doing, then. In our world, even if the UN passed such a resolution, it would be incapable of enforcing it in many nations;

Yeah, the UN ban seems unlikely and (so far) hasn't really added anything to the story.

I guess if you had to rationalize it, you could argue that the UN tends to operate faster and with more of a unified voice when faced with global metahuman threats, especially in light of events like Final Crisis, Black Adam, the Sinestro Wars, et al.

There's probably a superhuman security council that is more on the ball and doesn't have nations like Libya and Modora as chairmembers.

On a side note, I hope the THUNDER Agents aren't introduced in the rumored Earth Vs. Krypton event; I'd like to think they've been around for awhile, but have been busy with the Subterraneans and SPIDER.

[Mat001]

Exactly. In the DCU, the people of the world will unite faster when it comes to Superhumans than they will over international politics. China would side with the US, because the Kryptonians can take what they want without a care. In "52", it was shown that China did go against the US and other nations until Black Adam went to Oolong Island. By that point, China had no choice but to let the heroes in. China is strict on its policies, but they're not stupid. The Kryptonians could easily kill their government leaders and declare China as part of New Krypton. And there's nothing that the Great Ten can do to stop them. The countries that are not part of the UN, would support them because they're afraid of the alternative.

[Freakzeek]

PG hasn't been Banned because she's beautiful and as we know Superman loves Beauitful woman

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww318/Freakzeek_2009/1252051639311.jpg

[WorstThingUS]

So much for not being part of the Superman universe. First an Ultra Humanite now this:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=9666326#post9666326


Just get it over with and have her fight Luthor too----who I'm pretty sure won't give her a pass for being a JSA member from another Krypton.

[pad]

I think the writers should have said "All Kryptonians except Superman and Power Girl are banned."

[Scott Taylor]

She certainly doesn't look Kryptonian. No 'S', butch haircut, boob window. They had no idea what to do with her, and besides they probably figured she'd soon be out of a job and home with her cat full time any ways.

[DarkKnghtJared]

I suppose the average public must know that she's from a parallel universe.

Of course, just how much Joe Public knows about parallel universes comes into question - to an average schlubb, wouldn't she just be considered another Kryptonian? Unless she's got her own PR people ...

I believe one of the ramifications from Final Crisis was that the Multiverse was public knowledge, so I imagine it's been mentioned.

As for why Power Girl isn't...like others have said, she's radically different from the rest of the S-family, that and her being immune to Kryptonite is probably enough for the general public and Lane that she isn't Kryptonian.

[WorstThingUS]

I believe one of the ramifications from Final Crisis was that the Multiverse was public knowledge, so I imagine it's been mentioned.

As for why Power Girl isn't...like others have said, she's radically different from the rest of the S-family, that and her being immune to Kryptonite is probably enough for the general public and Lane that she isn't Kryptonian.

Yeah, because he's so rational. This is just an editorial disconnect that makes no sense, period.

[KET]

So much for not being part of the Superman universe. First an Ultra Humanite now this:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=9666326#post9666326


Well, it's not like an obviously dated character like Vartox has been doing much of anything in the Super-books as of late.

Sure, I suppose editorial could have saved this nearly useless guy for S-girl instead of circling her around the Reactron bowl one more time. :rolleyes:

Just get it over with and have her fight Luthor too----who I'm pretty sure won't give her a pass for being a JSA member from another Krypton.


Uhmmm...no.

It's pretty obvious that DC is reserving Luthor for some pivotal point in their current "New Krypton" slog. PG certainly doesn't need to add her convoluted background to what already is a thoroughly dragged-out 'event' to make the Supers more like The X-Men ("protecting a world that hates and fears them!").

[Mat001]

I believe one of the ramifications from Final Crisis was that the Multiverse was public knowledge, so I imagine it's been mentioned.

Yes, the public knows of the Multiverse. They don't know about Karen being Kryptonian.

[WorstThingUS]

Yes, the public knows of the Multiverse. They don't know about Karen being Kryptonian.

Sure they do. From the first time she was initially announced as Superman's cousin.

[gwydion]

Yes, the public knows of the Multiverse. They don't know about Karen being Kryptonian.

Yes, they do. It was mentioned a couple of times in Busiek's Third Kryptonian arc. Karsta knows that PG is "some kind of Kryptonian" because she read about it in the newspapers, and the aliens that attack PG know as well because they "heard about it in the media".

[IvCNuB4]

This is just an editorial disconnect that makes no sense, period.


How is this an Editorial disconnect ? Do you honestly think that the Power Girl Writer and Editor don't know about the Kryptonian Ban ? :biggrin:

This was all explained back on page 2 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=285700&page=2) of this thread .....

[WorstThingUS]

How is this an Editorial disconnect ? Do you honestly think that the Power Girl Writer and Editor don't know about the Kryptonian Ban ? :biggrin:



No, the editorial disconnect from logic.

[Mat001]

Sure they do. From the first time she was initially announced as Superman's cousin.

Yes, they do. It was mentioned a couple of times in Busiek's Third Kryptonian arc. Karsta knows that PG is "some kind of Kryptonian" because she read about it in the newspapers, and the aliens that attack PG know as well because they "heard about it in the media".

Yes and then it was revealed that she was from Atlantis and not Krypton. Karsta came to Earth before "Infinite Crisis". To date, Karen has not spoken publically that she is Kryptonian. The only ones who know are her fellow heroes, Alexander Luthor, Kal-L, Lois Lane-Kent, Superboy-Prime, the Anti-Montior, Chris Kent, Karsta, the Auctioneer and Amalak and his men. Show me where she talked about it in her title or JSA.

[WorstThingUS]

Yes and then it was revealed that she was from Atlantis and not Krypton. Karsta came to Earth before "Infinite Crisis". To date, Karen has not spoken publically that she is Kryptonian. The only ones who know are her fellow heroes, Alexander Luthor, Kal-L, Lois Lane-Kent, Superboy-Prime, the Anti-Montior, Chris Kent, Karsta, the Auctioneer and Amalak and his men. Show me where she talked about it in her title or JSA.

Aren't you the one always insisting that until you see a retcon it hasn't been retconned? Well, you haven't seen a retcon of the statement in "The Third Kryptonian" of her Kryptonian identity being public knowledge so it hasn't been retconned by Infinite Crisis. Everyone knows. So this is just a silly editorial dictate, which is beginning to look more like a mistake considering every single Superman family book received more orders than Power Girl #4 according to August figures.

Well, not all. Jimmy Olsen got less.

[OzBat!]

I would have thought Karen's invulnerability to Kryptonite would have put her at the TOP of Gen. Lane's list. Kryptonian by any other name is still a kryptonian, no matter what universe they came from, and if you can't zap it with the green stuff, there's MAJOR problems comin' down the pipe!

[KET]

No, the editorial disconnect from logic.

You're still expecting logic from Power Girl????:rolleyes:

Let me know when you come down to reality. She's getting Vartox, dude; that should tell you something right there.

[WorstThingUS]

You're still expecting logic from Power Girl????:rolleyes:

Let me know when you come down to reality. She's getting Vartox, dude; that should tell you something right there.

And that's the most interesting thing I've seen from her. Next, I want the original Terra Man too! Dumb guns and bad Texas accent and all!

[gwydion]

Yes and then it was revealed that she was from Atlantis and not Krypton. Karsta came to Earth before "Infinite Crisis". To date, Karen has not spoken publically that she is Kryptonian. The only ones who know are her fellow heroes, Alexander Luthor, Kal-L, Lois Lane-Kent, Superboy-Prime, the Anti-Montior, Chris Kent, Karsta, the Auctioneer and Amalak and his men. Show me where she talked about it in her title or JSA.

Well, I don't know what I can say--it's there in black and white, two separate instances where it is explicitly mentioned that her identity as Kryptonian is public knowledge...and there has been NO retraction in any of the comics yet.

Sounds to me like a pretty cut and dried thing.

[gwydion]

I would have thought Karen's invulnerability to Kryptonite would have put her at the TOP of Gen. Lane's list. Kryptonian by any other name is still a kryptonian, no matter what universe they came from, and if you can't zap it with the green stuff, there's MAJOR problems comin' down the pipe!

One would think. Though I'm not sure THAT nugget is public knowledge---though it seems that a guy like Lane would have knowledge of that.

[Mat001]

Well, I don't know what I can say--it's there in black and white, two separate instances where it is explicitly mentioned that her identity as Kryptonian is public knowledge...and there has been NO retraction in any of the comics yet.

Sounds to me like a pretty cut and dried thing.

Not that cut and dried. Again, Karen was talked about being an Atlantean in public. What Karsta said was in reference to what she heard upon following Clark's career as Superman when she made it to Earth. Karen was first on Earth. That was public knowledge. What happened after that was also public knowledge, that she was from Atlantis and not Krypton. I am very certain that she has not gone public with being a Kryptonian. That's why she hasn't been banned off Earth, in story.

Aren't you the one always insisting that until you see a retcon it hasn't been retconned? Well, you haven't seen a retcon of the statement in "The Third Kryptonian" of her Kryptonian identity being public knowledge so it hasn't been retconned by Infinite Crisis. Everyone knows. So this is just a silly editorial dictate, which is beginning to look more like a mistake considering every single Superman family book received more orders than Power Girl #4 according to August figures.

Again, you miss the point. Karen was identified as Kryptonian when she arrived on Earth. Then the press learned that she was from Atlantis. To date, as far as I am aware of, she has not been identified as Kryptonian in the media. Karsta doesn't even know what she is, because she read different and conflicting stories about her. It's also stated in "The Third Kryptonian" that Power Girl cannot be properly detected by most scanning equipment. They do not read her as Kryptonian. The Auctioneer didn't even realize she was Kryptonian when he scanned Earth for other Kryptonian signals. He didn't detect Chris or Karen, who were on Earth.

And so what if the Superman books recieved more orders than Power Girl. Maybe it's the quality of the book that's resulted in lower sales, than not being connected to the Superman books. It's not the first DC book to fail based on quality. And it's only silly because you don't like it. This is not the first book that has tie to an established character, to not be included in a storyline because of different creative teams and editors.

[WorstThingUS]

Not that cut and dried. Again, Karen was talked about being an Atlantean in public. What Karsta said was in reference to what she heard upon following Clark's career as Superman when she made it to Earth. Karen was first on Earth. That was public knowledge. What happened after that was also public knowledge, that she was from Atlantis and not Krypton. I am very certain that she has not gone public with being a Kryptonian. That's why she hasn't been banned off Earth, in story.

So basically you're dismissing the account that disagrees with what you believe. Got it.

so what if the Superman books recieved more orders than Power Girl. Maybe it's the quality of the book that's resulted in lower sales, than not being connected to the Superman books. It's not the first DC book to fail based on quality. And it's only silly because you don't like it. This is not the first book that has tie to an established character, to not be included in a storyline because of different creative teams and editors.

It's exactly because it's a poor book it needs to be tied into better books with better storylines to help sales. It's rare an "event" is worth reading and here she is not part of one she absolutely should part of because of a silly editorial decision. And quality rarely has anything to do with sales. It's a joke to even present that argument.

[Mat001]

So basically you're dismissing the account that disagrees with what you believe. Got it.

No, I'm going by what I know. If you can prove to me that the public knows that Power Girl is Kryptonian again, then by all means. Last I checked, she wasn't. The only ones who know are those connected to her. Was something said in issues 1-4 of Power Girl? What about the current JSA series? Something in the Superman books?

It's exactly because it's a poor book it needs to be tied into better books with better storylines to help sales. It's rare an "event" is worth reading and here she is not part of one she absolutely should part of because of a silly editorial decision. And quality rarely has anything to do with sales. It's a joke to even present that argument.

It doesn't need to be tied to the Superman books. Needing and wanting are two different things. It's not silly to not keep Power Girl out of the Superman books. She has JSA, JSA All-Stars and Magog.

It may seem silly to you, but not to the people working on her book. She's Kryptonian, but she's not identified by computer scanners. This was established long before the Kryptonian ban. And apparently in the Superman books, the general public does not know or consider her Kryptonian, since she isn't banned.

[gwydion]

Not that cut and dried. Again, Karen was talked about being an Atlantean in public. What Karsta said was in reference to what she heard upon following Clark's career as Superman when she made it to Earth. Karen was first on Earth. That was public knowledge. What happened after that was also public knowledge, that she was from Atlantis and not Krypton. I am very certain that she has not gone public with being a Kryptonian. That's why she hasn't been banned off Earth, in story.



Again, you miss the point. Karen was identified as Kryptonian when she arrived on Earth. Then the press learned that she was from Atlantis. To date, as far as I am aware of, she has not been identified as Kryptonian in the media. Karsta doesn't even know what she is, because she read different and conflicting stories about her. It's also stated in "The Third Kryptonian" that Power Girl cannot be properly detected by most scanning equipment. They do not read her as Kryptonian. The Auctioneer didn't even realize she was Kryptonian when he scanned Earth for other Kryptonian signals. He didn't detect Chris or Karen, who were on Earth.

And so what if the Superman books recieved more orders than Power Girl. Maybe it's the quality of the book that's resulted in lower sales, than not being connected to the Superman books. It's not the first DC book to fail based on quality. And it's only silly because you don't like it. This is not the first book that has tie to an established character, to not be included in a storyline because of different creative teams and editors.

I'm afraid you're wrong about that. Karsta's words were that she had followed media accounts of Superman, then the others, including "the woman in white who claims to be SOME kind of Kryptonian".

Then the aliens who arrive next issue, Superman #670, say: "She is the one? Kill her! Kill her! Her bioreadings are strange, but our observation of this world's news reports CONFIRM it! She IS Kryptonian---and she must die!" Page 3 if you're interested.

Now THAT sounds pretty certain to me, unless you can come up with a later issue where it says as definitively that the media reports that she is NOT Kryptonian.

Now with THAT in mind, I'm still waiting on an in-story reason she's not banned. I'd settle for a simple mention that she is so trusted as to be exempt, which might even make sense as she's had a far longer history on New Earth than Supergirl, and for the most part has avoided siding with enemies.

[MatthewC]

As someone who is reading Power Girl but not reading any of the Superman titles, I'm rather glad she's being left out of Superman's big event. I can't see how it would improve my reading experience to have her dragged out of the setting and supporting cast being established for her and thrust into a story I don't care about and don't want to read.

But then, I think most comics have too tight a continuity these days.

[ShaggyB]

same reason Mon isnt... she technically not kryptonian in the terms of her belonging to that race of kryptonians... shes not one of them.

[Mat001]

I'm afraid you're wrong about that. Karsta's words were that she had followed media accounts of Superman, then the others, including "the woman in white who claims to be SOME kind of Kryptonian".

Then the aliens who arrive next issue, Superman #670, say: "She is the one? Kill her! Kill her! Her bioreadings are strange, but our observation of this world's news reports CONFIRM it! She IS Kryptonian---and she must die!" Page 3 if you're interested.

Now THAT sounds pretty certain to me, unless you can come up with a later issue where it says as definitively that the media reports that she is NOT Kryptonian.

Fine, thank you. As it is, none of the other books discuss her Kryptonian heritage. Jimmy Palmotti said it will be talked about in upcoming issues of Power Girl. Her Kryptonian heritage.

Now with THAT in mind, I'm still waiting on an in-story reason she's not banned. I'd settle for a simple mention that she is so trusted as to be exempt, which might even make sense as she's had a far longer history on New Earth than Supergirl, and for the most part has avoided siding with enemies.

Well, apparently they don't consider her Kryptonian. See all issues of Superman and Supergirl since the ban went into effect. Unless they don't buy that she's Kryptonian based on her changing her mind every couple of years.

[gwydion]

Fine, thank you. As it is, none of the other books discuss her Kryptonian heritage. Jimmy Palmotti said it will be talked about in upcoming issues of Power Girl. Her Kryptonian heritage.


Did he? Where? What did he say specifically?

[Laminator_X]

two words: boob window:wink:

Yes, but not they way you mean. She doesn't brand herself with the big "S."

Above board, it's stupid editorial balkanization.

[JCAll]

She probably is banned. Just noone has the balls to try to make her go.
Something I can totally understand.

[OzBat!]

It's exactly because it's a poor book it needs to be tied into better books with better storylines to help sales. It's rare an "event" is worth reading and here she is not part of one she absolutely should part of because of a silly editorial decision. And quality rarely has anything to do with sales. It's a joke to even present that argument.Disregarding the rest of the argument, why are you labelling PG as a poor book? Is it failing miserably in sales or something? Amanda Connor just got labelled the first female artist to make Wizard's top ten Hot Artists list, so it's being noticed (and Wizard doesn't typically list 'good' but 'underselling' artists, they just go for what's Hot, which seems to me to be the opposite of Poor).

[AngelinaSgxwe]

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[pariah-1972]

Maybe the general public is as confused about her origins as everyone else.

[Static-Pulse]

Disregarding the rest of the argument, why are you labelling PG as a poor book?

I can't speak for WorstThungUS, but I can tell you why I think Power Girl is a poor book. Ever read the comic Dilbert? You know his boss, the Pointy Haired Boss (PHB)? PHB wanders around, hiring and firing people, has no idea what the company does, makes a fool of himself, but he's heralded a genius by fellow managers. Palmiotti and Grey have basically turned Power Girl into the PHB, with boobs. She hires people for her company on whims; states she hasn't a quarter of a clue what her scientists working on and forgets to pay employees; she forgets her costume and then can't spend two seconds zipping across Manhattan (which we know from #3 she can do very quickly); yet people applaud the book as a wonderful, intelligent take on the character. That's why I call it a poor book, despite sales and acclaim, because it makes a mockery of what should be a smart character.

Amanda Conner's art, however, is the one, singular highlight of the book, and she deserves every bit of recognition she gets.