Johns and Manapul leaving Adventure Comics after issue six!

[theXfactor]

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2009/09/08/the-dastardly-death-of-the-rogues/

They are moving to the Flash universe. Pretty shocking news. I was hoping for a long run, but at the same time I'm exited about The Flash.

(I put this thread in this forum because it involves both the Superman and the Flash universes.)

[Fatguy]

Well, kinda good I guess. This may save me money!

Also, Manapul on Flash would be great.

[Karl O'Neill]

Good news for Manupal and the Flash series.

Very annoyed that they are only doing six issues of this title together.

damn it.

[The Chief5425]

Sigh. I could care less about Superboy but please, PLEASE get somebody good on the Legion series.

[superchick]

Good news for Manupal and the Flash series.

Very annoyed that they are only doing six issues of this title together.

damn it.

4 issues, ordway is doing the prime/blackest night stuff

[Green Griffin]

Good for the Flash, bad for Adventure Comics.

[galactica]

I really hope this is not the title Didio is taking over.

[Retro315]

I'm curious here.

There has also been plenty of talk about how Adventure, namely the Superboy story, is after this first half a year of independence is supposed to be moving more into the shared-universe of the various Super-Books (especially as the 2010 Superman event approaches).

But since Johns, even operating independently, has been a main architect of the Superman universe, it's even more surprising and vague for me.

Of course ... if this "creative team" change is because the next six issues of Adventure following the Superboy arc are going to be alternated with six issues of Aquaman stories ... you won't hear me complaining.

[Gitaroo_Dude]

So disappointed by this.

Manapul is like the PERFECT fit for this book. Just so much emotion on each page, with everything from the characters to the environment creating this really nice atmosphere.

[theXfactor]

I'm curious here.

There has also been plenty of talk about how Adventure, namely the Superboy story, is after this first half a year of independence is supposed to be moving more into the shared-universe of the various Super-Books (especially as the 2010 Superman event approaches).

But since Johns, even operating independently, has been a main architect of the Superman universe, it's even more surprising and vague for me.

Of course ... if this "creative team" change is because the next six issues of Adventure following the Superboy arc are going to be alternated with six issues of Aquaman stories ... you won't hear me complaining.

If this is the direction the book is taking, I think I'll drop this book. Really not interested in buying all of the Super-books to get a complete story.

[superchick]

I really hope this is not the title Didio is taking over.

dan didio writing legion. You know how to make me cry.

[Will.S]

Ugh, couldn't they get like some other artist for Flash?

I suppose this is good for the Flash books but every time Johns seems to be doing something good on the Superman books he goes away. I'm not sure if I even want to pick up Adventure comics after they leave but I seriously hope they put an equally talented team on there.

It's stuff like this that confirms that DC's talent pool is pretty damn shallow.

[Raker616]

This is not good, I wanted someone great on Flash and i'm not a fan of Manapul's art at all this sucks.

[Green Griffin]

Rafael Albuquerque on art would make me continue buying the book. Is Johns leaving with manapul or is he staying?

[West Mantooth]

Does DC think they can launch Adventure Comics on a six-issue stint? That's what ruined the UFF.

[olympichero62]

You know how these things go. They bring in the big guns for the first 3-6 issues, and then change the artist and/or writer because they can't handle the work load or afford to pay their salaries for so long.

[Melfice]

I'm not happy to hear today's news, but I will give Adventure Comics a fair chance once the new team takes over. I think 12 issues will tell me if the book is worth keeping or not. Right now, I really enjoyed the first issue, and the preview for #2 has me drooling like no tomorrow.

Tell you the truth, Adventure Comics should not feature one char, but rather many others (or the Super Family and friends). It will keep things interesting and if I remember from first run of the series, it did do just that.

I'm willing to give the new team a chance to prove Adventure Comics can be one of the flagship titles for DC Comics :smile:

[galactica]

Does DC think they can launch Adventure Comics on a six-issue stint? That's what ruined the UFF.

Depends on the new creative team. If it's Kurt Busiek and Rafael Albuquerque, things will be fine. If it's Dan Didio and anyone else, then the book might be in trouble.

DC has several writers and artist who could be great on Adventure Comics, of course that probably means they will give it to a complete new comer.

Adventure Comics is dealing with some major Superman-related characters so maybe one of them(Robinson, Rucka, Gates) will take over.

Kurt Busiek isn't doing a whole lot in DC proper........

[Will.S]

Rafael Albuquerque on art would make me continue buying the book. Is Johns leaving with manapul or is he staying?
I think Rafael would be great as well although I still have to wonder what other writer would continue with it in a natural way.

And yeah both Johns and Manapul are leaving.

[dodger8804]

I'm curious here.

There has also been plenty of talk about how Adventure, namely the Superboy story, is after this first half a year of independence is supposed to be moving more into the shared-universe of the various Super-Books (especially as the 2010 Superman event approaches).

But since Johns, even operating independently, has been a main architect of the Superman universe, it's even more surprising and vague for me.

Of course ... if this "creative team" change is because the next six issues of Adventure following the Superboy arc are going to be alternated with six issues of Aquaman stories ... you won't hear me complaining.

Wait. Is Adventure not going to be a "Superman Universe" comic exclusively? Because I was going to try it out, but I don't want to if it'll change to Aquaman as the lead soon.

[Will.S]

Wait. Is Adventure not going to be a "Superman Universe" comic exclusively? Because I was going to try it out, but I don't want to if it'll change to Aquaman as the lead soon.
Well to me it seems like it would feature both Superboy and the Legion teaming up like how Clark did with the Legion.

I suppose it could also turn into an Aquaman book given that the actual name of the title gives it some leeway in that regard but it seemed mostly like the book where the main Legion and Superboy would have their adventures.

[paulski]

Surprising news. But then, I guess Geoff can't write every book. :frown:

Not a huge fan of Manapul, so I'll be interested to see who takes over from him. Yeah, Rafael Albuquerque would be a huge pick up, but I can't see it happening.

[Captain Jim]

Stay tuned to The Source for news on the new creative team taking the reigns on ADVENTURE

That's code for, "At the moment we have no clue."

This is pretty sad. This is no way to launch a new title. I think publishers should start making creators sign a contract to stay on a book for 12 issues minimum--particularly a new title like this. Unless the replacement is somebody really outstanding, I'm gone.

Wait. Is Adventure not going to be a "Superman Universe" comic exclusively? Because I was going to try it out, but I don't want to if it'll change to Aquaman as the lead soon.

No evidence of this whatsoever. It's just someone's wishful thinking.

[numberONE]

Sad news. Issue #1 was great!

[meek?]

Great for Manapul! Sucks for the book and Superboy.

:frown:

Peace.

[RyleKayner]

Did you guys really expect any different? 6 issues is 2 more that I thought they'd last.

I hope Gates takes it over. Actually scratch that. I hope Gates gets Teen Titans.

I think Busiek will get this title. Perhaps with Van Sciver on art.

[meek?]

I totally expected more especially given the Johns-brand "Things To Come" page @ the end of the first issue.

I shoulda paid attention to the co-writer credits as that should've been a red flag indication of who the book may be handed to after the eventual drop-out.

Peace.

[galactica]

That's code for, "At the moment we have no clue."



I expect they know who is taking over but they also know we might not like it. Didio recently said he will be taking over an ongoing and he has a bit of history with Superboy.

I'm disappointed in this because I really liked the feel of the first issue and Johns and Manapul seemed to be having fun doing it. I'm sure Flash will great and they'll have just as much fun on it but I was really liking the feel of this title.

All of this might work out(maybe for the best) depending on the new creative team but with the way DC assigns creative teams nowadays, I just don't know. They have many writers and artists who would be great on Adventure Comics(at least the Superboy parts) but whether they will actually give it one of those writers and artists is the problem. Kurt Busiek, Gail Simone, Peter Tomasi, Sterling Gates, Rafael Albuquerque, Shane Davis etc. Any of them would be nice but will they actually give it someone like that or to someone who has only written two episodes of the Simpsons.

I'll keep my fingers crossed but, I have a bad feeling about this. At least Flash will be great.

[lazlo_toth]

dan didio writing legion. You know how to make me cry.

That's the sort of stuff that totally gets in the way of my believing in a just and loving God...

[Sean Walsh]

Considering this is the same company that hyped Eddy Barrows as the new artist of ACTION, then pulled him after 1 issue to work on a BLACKEST NIGHT mini, this doesn't surprise me.

I mean, great news for FLASH - Johns is back, plus it's gonna look beautiful with Manapul's art - but unless they give us an idea as to what kind of book ADVENTURE is supposed to be soon, this could turn into a mess.

[Green Griffin]

I think Rafael Albuquerque might be the new artist. He just got pulled off of Superman/Batman. Maybe DC Giving him time for Adventure Comics. Now that would be some great news.

[Sean Walsh]

I think Rafael Albuquerque might be the new artist. He just got pulled off of Superman/Batman. Maybe DC Giving him time for Adventure Comics. Now that would be some great news.

Was he the regular artist of S/B? Because artist-wise, that's been a rotating book for years now.

[Bob Violence]

Is it me or do writers and artists get moved around more at DC?

[galactica]

Is it me or do writers and artists get moved around more at DC?

It happens at Marvel but they handle it much better, imo.

[Karl O'Neill]

It happens at Marvel but they handle it much better, imo.

Just curious. How do they handle it better?

I don't think Dc does a good job of it myself. But I don't see marvel doing it more smoothly.

Every week when I flick through the marvel comics in my LCS i notice new named nobody artists in the interiors every other week.

[Bevbos]

Hm. Not the world's best news for Adventure Comics. I'm reading the book because of Johns. But I suppose if I'm hooked by then, I'll give the new creative team a shot...

What about EVS? I thought he was going to be the defacto Flash artist. Guess I thunk wrong.

[Karl O'Neill]

Was he the regular artist of S/B? Because artist-wise, that's been a rotating book for years now.

Yes. He was. He was going to stay on that title for a couple of years. There was an interview a few months back on newsarama with rafael about it.

But because scott kollins is doing some blackest night issues in superman/batman the title is up in the air. Maybe the same creative team will return when blackest night is done.

Hopefully they will as i really dug their work on the title since loeb left.

[Karl O'Neill]

What about EVS? I thought he was going to be the defacto Flash artist. Guess I thunk wrong.

No. Ethan's art is so detailed he finds it hard to keep a monthly title on time. Which is fair enough. I love his art and he is a great guy.

But I prefer him when he launches Titles like he done with GL and Now FLASH.

And then comes back to do a special issue now and then like he done with GL and sinestro corps war. and I like when he acts as a design consultant for the mythologies he helps kick start with geoff johns like he did with GL and now the Flash.

Awesome.

[galactica]

Just curious. How do they handle it better?

I don't think Dc does a good job of it myself. But I don't see marvel doing it more smoothly.

Every week when I flick through the marvel comics in my LCS i notice new named nobody artists in the interiors every other week.

They aren't any better when it comes to artist but when it comes to writers they are better. One thing I've noticed is when there is a change in writers, the new writer usually takes over the very next issue. At DC there is always a a few months of fill-ins by different writers and artists and that can really hurt the book. I think BoP would have lasted much longer after Gail it had gone straight to Bedard or straight to McKeever. Instead we has 5 months of single issue fill-ins by Bedard, then 5 issues by McKeever then Bedard became the new ongoing writer. I think Bedard run could have been much better(and longer) he started right away after Gail. Same with Titans, Teen Titans, JSA, JLA.

[titanfan]

This is Manapul's 3rd different assignment in under a year? Hard to build a fan base if you're always jumping around....

Bad news for me. The book of Geoff's I'm enjoying least is Flash right now and if he had to be pulled from something, I would have rather that to have been the one for now...

[Gitaroo_Dude]

I really wish they would just have the good will to announce the new creative team so I could decide whether to drop the title or not. It's going to be difficult to pick up the book for 6 issues and get attached to it only to know that Didio may be lurking in the future and get his hands on the book.

[Karl O'Neill]

This is Manapul's 3rd different assignment in under a year? Hard to build a fan base if you're always jumping around....



Ironically. It's because of his fanbase and rise to fame and attention so fast that he is getting all these cool gigs.

Legion of superheroes--Mid level Project.
Superman/batman stint-Mid level Project
Adventure comics--High Level Project.
The Flash--High Level project.

[Talisman]

I'm excited. I loved Manapul's art on Legion. Can't wait to see what he does on Flash. I hope they get someone really good for Adventure, tho.

[Batman was taken]

I'm sure you've all seen the other threads, but Levitz is writing Adventure now.

That should make some people very happy.

[Karl O'Neill]

Pretty sweet news IMHO.

[superchick]

I'm sure you've all seen the other threads, but Levitz is writing Adventure now.

That should make some people very happy.

Its like a light at the end of the tunnel. This last year has been tough on Legion fans.

[Talisman]

I've never read anything from Levitz.

[Gitaroo_Dude]

I've never read anything from Levitz.

Neither have I, but his reputation kind of precedes him. I'm excited to see him return to the title.

[Matthew E]

Well, don't get too excited: Levitz is good, but he's the kind of good where you can see the quality much better over a long period than in single issues. Levitz needs room to spread out. And by that I don't mean that his stuff is particularly decompressed; just that he's more of a novelist than a short-story writer.

[bongoes]

It's funny reading three pages of complaints and then Levitz gets announced and everyone goes, ahh... that's better.

[Will.S]

It's funny reading three pages of complaints and then Levitz gets announced and everyone goes, ahh... that's better.
I haven't particularly made that leap of faith yet.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Levitz & Giffen story

Paul Levitz writing

Giffen layouts

the best of the best artists rotating storyarcs like Green Lantern does.

Superboy & The Legion of Super-Heroes.

[CBikle]

I'll give Levitz a shot; I liked his stuff back in the day.

On a side note, the Animal Man mini by Gerry Conway, another old school writer, is excellent.

[Winghead]

It just seemed like a small insignificant book for him with all the stuff he's been doing. I called a maximum of 5 issues right from the start.

[Fatguy]

Why wouldn't you just post these thoughts in the thread we already have on Johns leaving Adventure? No offense, but this thread seems pretty superfluous.

But to answer your question, no, I didn't think it was overly obvious. Re-launching Adventure comics IS pretty significant, and Johns has stated many times how much he loves Superboy. I'm actually quite surprised to see him leave so soon.

[Artificial idiot]

Between the fact Johns seemed to be a driving force behind the book being relaunched in the first place, and then that page of upcoming storylines at the back of the first issue... I'd say no. Not obvious at all.

[Captain Jim]

And now today Didio tells us that Superboy will be leaving the title as well. This is sad news (but my wallet likes it).

[Fatguy]

And now today Didio tells us that Superboy will be leaving the title as well. This is sad news (but my wallet likes it).

Really? Did he say who would replace him, and/or do you have a link?

[Karl O'Neill]

Crap news.

Dropped.

[Paul Newell]

Really? Did he say who would replace him, and/or do you have a link?
Sounds like he'll be phased out and the Legion'll take over the title.

[jdwrocks]

Sounds like he'll be phased out and the Legion'll take over the title.
Where will Conner end up? A new Superboy title? Or will he be relegated to background status in other books?

[Fatguy]

Sounds like he'll be phased out and the Legion'll take over the title.

Thanks.

Yeah, I found the interview on Newsarama, the way he talks definitely makes one think its just going to be a Legion title. I dont know how I feel about that, I always WANT to like the Legion (It has several characters that interest me), but outside of the Legion Lost book it just never seems to work out for me.

[Fatguy]

Here's the interview:

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090914-didio-20answers.html

[protege]

And now today Didio tells us that Superboy will be leaving the title as well. This is sad news (but my wallet likes it).

Then so will I.

[Captain Jim]

Sounds like Conner may be joining the Teen Titans again (or maybe even JLA, who knows). I don't have the impression that a solo feature is in the immediate future.

Too bad. I read Adventure #2 last night, and that was a great story.

[Will.S]

Sounds like Conner may be joining the Teen Titans again (or maybe even JLA, who knows). I don't have the impression that a solo feature is in the immediate future.

Too bad. I read Adventure #2 last night, and that was a great story.
I thought it was a very good issue myself, which kind of makes me all the more inclined to drop it once Geoff and Manapul leave. But if it's a very good Legion book I may reconsider.

[The Batman]

I'm of two minds on all this. While I'm disappointed to see Johns and Manapul and Conner leaving Adventure Comics I'm excited to see where they'll take the Flash and what Levitz has planned for the Legion.

I want to think that Superboy will land somewhere and with the plans for him still intact. Can DC have a Superboy book again?

[pryde15]

Thanks.

Yeah, I found the interview on Newsarama, the way he talks definitely makes one think its just going to be a Legion title. I dont know how I feel about that, I always WANT to like the Legion (It has several characters that interest me), but outside of the Legion Lost book it just never seems to work out for me.

You disappoint me, fats.

[Fatguy]

You disappoint me, fats.

I said I WANT to like them! You should be disappointed in DC for making the Legion the most confusing continuity mess in comics.

[pryde15]

I said I WANT to like them! You should be disappointed in DC for making the Legion the most confusing continuity mess in comics.

They are not that confusing, I blame you for being too lazy to research! That is the only way to learn anything about DC character's back story, you should know this by now.

[Fatguy]

They are not that confusing, I blame you for being too lazy to research! That is the only way to learn anything about DC character's back story, you should know this by now.

lol but its not just back history. There's, like, 97 different Legions, each with their own continuity!

I just want to read Phantom Girl, Wildfire, and Timber Wolf, without any headaches.

[pryde15]

lol but its not just back history. There's, like, 97 different Legions, each with their own continuity!

I just want to read Phantom Girl, Wildfire, and Timber Wolf, without any headaches.

There are three, let's not be dramatic here.

[Fake Shemp]

Damn, just when I was starting to really like it! Oh well, at least my wallet will be happy.

[Will.S]

They are not that confusing, I blame you for being too lazy to research! That is the only way to learn anything about DC character's back story, you should know this by now.
It puzzles me as to why they even decided to go ahead with the Waid/Shooter Legion in the first place if they were really only going to build up and support the original legion on a more long term basis.

While I liked Legion of 3 Worlds, the way Johns assigned the different legions to different earths felt very mechanical and didn't feel naturally done. Granted, something had to be done to straighten out the whole mess of which Legion belongs to what earth but I think there could have been a better way to do it and same goes for Connor's resurrection.

[Fatguy]

There are three, let's not be dramatic here.

3 is 97 is comic terms.

[heffison]

I'm of two minds on all this. While I'm disappointed to see Johns and Manapul and Conner leaving Adventure Comics I'm excited to see where they'll take the Flash and what Levitz has planned for the Legion.

I want to think that Superboy will land somewhere and with the plans for him still intact. Can DC have a Superboy book again?

I don't think Superboy's going to be getting a solo anytime soon. If he was, why wouldn't DiDio tease it a bit to keep Conner's fans from being so disgruntled about the changes to Adventure?

My hope is that Levitz decides to ease the transition by taking Johns' notes for the Legionnaires in the present, and finishing their story with Conner before he goes completely in his own direction. Unless he has the next year already plotted out and ready to go, it seems at least possible that there could be a more gradual change in direction.

Other than that, why not rush Conner over to Teen Titans as fast as possible, to see if he can save that sinking ship?

[Fatguy]

Other than that, why not rush Conner over to Teen Titans as fast as possible, to see if he can save that sinking ship?

Seriously, it needs to happen. It bums me out to see the Titans franchise where it is currently. Maybe if we get Tim, Bart, and Conner back, it'll kick start things back into gear.

[Will.S]

I don't think Superboy's going to be getting a solo anytime soon. If he was, why wouldn't DiDio tease it a bit to keep Conner's fans from being so disgruntled about the changes to Adventure?

My hope is that Levitz decides to ease the transition by taking Johns' notes for the Legionnaires in the present, and finishing their story with Conner before he goes completely in his own direction. Unless he has the next year already plotted out and ready to go, it seems at least possible that there could be a more gradual change in direction.

Other than that, why not rush Conner over to Teen Titans as fast as possible, to see if he can save that sinking ship?
I think the Teen Titans need a little more than just Conner to salvage that book.

It needs established yet buzz worthy talent and an overhaul of the team's membership. I wouldn't mind having Red Robin, Cassie, Connor, Kid Flash, Static, Kid Devil, Blue Beetle, and Miss Martian on there.

[The Batman]

I don't think Superboy's going to be getting a solo anytime soon. If he was, why wouldn't DiDio tease it a bit to keep Conner's fans from being so disgruntled about the changes to Adventure?

Maybe because he hasn't got much of anything to tease yet? A new Superboy book could still be six to eight months away and only in the earliest of planning stages.

Other than that, why not rush Conner over to Teen Titans as fast as possible, to see if he can save that sinking ship?

Seriously, it needs to happen. It bums me out to see the Titans franchise where it is currently. Maybe if we get Tim, Bart, and Conner back, it'll kick start things back into gear.

With the right creative team this would be very a good idea.

[pryde15]

I would love to have Beast Boy, Raven, Wonder Girl, Speedy, Aquagirl, Superboy, Red Robin, and Kid Flash on the Teen Titans. With a great creative team, I know a new writer is coming on, but she is relatively new so I am unsure whether to be excited or not.

[Will.S]

I would love to have Beast Boy, Raven, Wonder Girl, Speedy, Aquagirl, Superboy, Red Robin, and Kid Flash on the Teen Titans. With a great creative team, I know a new writer is coming on, but she is relatively new so I am unsure whether to be excited or not.
That's not a bad lineup either.

DC seems to want to break up the Titans books into the old crew who grew up and the teen crew who are also carrying the name. So far I don't think it's working all that well so I wouldn't mind seeing Starfire, Cyborg, Donna, Beast Boy, and Raven return a mentors or teachers or as even a part of the team. But then again there's also the fact that Dick and Starfire are joining the JLA so there's that whole thing.

[Fatguy]

I would love to have Beast Boy, Raven, Wonder Girl, Speedy, Aquagirl, Superboy, Red Robin, and Kid Flash on the Teen Titans. With a great creative team, I know a new writer is coming on, but she is relatively new so I am unsure whether to be excited or not.

That would be great. I'd like if Starfire and Cyborg joined as well, and they just dropped the Titans book.

[pryde15]

That's not a bad lineup either.

DC seems to want to break up the Titans books into the old crew who grew up and the teen crew who are also carrying the name. So far I don't think it's working all that well so I wouldn't mind seeing Starfire, Cyborg, Donna, Beast Boy, and Raven return a mentors or teachers or as even a part of the team. But then again there's also the fact that Dick and Starfire are joining the JLA so there's that whole thing.

That would be great. I'd like if Starfire and Cyborg joined as well, and they just dropped the Titans book.

I loved Cyborg and Starfire's involvement in the team. But it seems that Dick, Starfire, Donna, and Roy will be in the JLA. It makes sense for BB, Raven, and Cy to help out with the Teen Titans.

I wouldn't mind if they cancelled one of the titles and just merged the casts.

[The Batman]

For my money combining the veteran Titans with the new crew is the way to go, even without Dick and Kory, Roy, or Donna. It provides a more interesting team dynamic and doesn't risk watering down the Titans franchise.

And Blue Beetle should be on the team because Blue Beetle makes everything better.

[pryde15]

For my money combining the veteran Titans with the new crew is the way to go, even without Dick and Kory, Roy, or Donna. It provides a more interesting team dynamic and doesn't risk watering down the Titans franchise.

And Blue Beetle should be on the team because Blue Beetle makes everything better.

I like Blue Beetle, but when he is with the Teen Titans...I don't. I guess I am kind of a purist, when it comes to members introduced in OYL and onward?

[meek?]

I think the Teen Titans need a little more than just Conner to salvage that book.

It needs established yet buzz worthy talent and an overhaul of the team's membership. I wouldn't mind having Red Robin, Cassie, Connor, Kid Flash, Static, Kid Devil, Blue Beetle, and Miss Martian on there.

That's the line-up I'm waitin' to see right there. I'd even approve a trade b/w Red Devil for Aquagirl just to see that line-up come to pass.

Peace.

[Desaad]

My dream line up would probably be Conner, Bart, Tim, Cassie, Jaime, Static, M'gaan, and maybe Speedy or some other street level hero.

Jaime/Static appear to be developing into the new Jaime/Eddie, Conner/Bart/Tim/Cassie already have proven interaction, M'gaan adds a certain something to the mix...I guessyou're missing someone patently 'badass' or the like to fill out your tropes, but neither Ravager nor Bombshell really interest me.

[heffison]

My dream line up would probably be Conner, Bart, Tim, Cassie, Jaime, Static, M'gaan, and maybe Speedy or some other street level hero.

Jaime/Static appear to be developing into the new Jaime/Eddie, Conner/Bart/Tim/Cassie already have proven interaction, M'gaan adds a certain something to the mix...I guessyou're missing someone patently 'badass' or the like to fill out your tropes, but neither Ravager nor Bombshell really interest me.

Maybe Tim's creepy "Red Robin" will be the badass. I'd rather see the other Titans keep calling him "Red" until he drops the damn name (and burns the cowl) and goes back to "Robin"