Hippolyta as The Golden Age Wonder Woman - Yes or No?

[md62]

I wanted to know how most readers felt about Hippolyta being retconned as the 40's/50's era WW. Personally I liked it & really liked what Phil Jimenez did with this idea. Plus having Polly be in a romantic relationship with Wildcat back in the 40's was a nice homage to WW & Wildcat being the stars of Sensation Comics back in the early 40's.

[Jim Thompson]

I wanted to know how most readers felt about Hippolyta being retconned as the 40's/50's era WW. Personally I liked it & really liked what Phil Jimenez did with this idea. Plus having Polly be in a romantic relationship with Wildcat back in the 40's was a nice homage to WW & Wildcat being the stars of Sensation Comics back in the early 40's.I thought it made sense -- though I can understand why a purist would not like the idea.

[hippie_hunter]

I would like to see Hippolyta appear in some JSA as Wonder Woman once and a while. Or have her interact with Ted, Jay, Alan, and Carter in the pages of Wonder Woman.

[MinaRho1]

Love with a few reservations? I liked that Hippolyta felt so right and at home in the JSA. It saddens me that that had to be taken away from her for any reason.

[shanejayell]

I'm kinda torn on the idea. I like Hippolyta fighting in WW II and all that, but fitting it into canon gives me a headache. Why, for instance, didn't anyone bring up Hyppolita when Diana first appeared? (I know the time travel is a retcon, but I don't think it's even been addressed)

[ScottyQuick]

Absolutely not. Diana being a legacy hero completely undercuts the idea of Wonder Woman.

Sure, send Hippolyta back if you want to, but NOT as Wonder Woman.

[suedenim]

No way. I think it's a change that actually manages to diminsh both Diana *and* Hippolyta, somehow.

With Hippolyta, it undercuts her whole dogmatic "I don't want anybody going to Man's World" philosophy if she actually did the same damn thing she forbids Diana from doing. And/or any explanation you give for that also takes the characters into directions they shouldn't go.

[aegisbearer]

No way. I think it's a change that actually manages to diminish both Diana *and* Hippolyta, somehow.

With Hippolyte, it undercuts her whole dogmatic "I don't want anybody going to Man's World" philosophy if she actually did the same damn thing she forbids Diana from doing. And/or any explanation you give for that also takes the characters into directions they shouldn't go.

Basically, that's how I feel. Diana IS Wonder Woman. There's no way to make it so time travel wasn't involved, and without time travel being the way she gets to Man's World, Hippolyte becomes the first Wonder Woman before Diana.

[buttler]

I hated it. First of all, it turned Diana into a legacy hero -- "Wonder Woman Jr." as far as the world was concerned. It was bad enough that at the time Donna Troy had more superheroing experience than Diana did, because she'd been established as a complete newcomer after the Crisis. (Happily that part was later retconned away and Diana reestablished as a founding member of the JLA.)

Second, it was a retcon piled on top of other retcons already established to account for the same continuity. The Golden Age Fury was created post-Crisis to account for/replace WW's WWII adventures and become modern-day Fury's mom now that Earth-2 WW wasn't around anymore. Now I guess those adventures were had by Hippolyta, some by Fury, some by Miss America -- or maybe they just dogpiled on all the Golden Age WW baddies. Any any case, it just made continuity more tangled and more confusing. And yeah, also diminished Diana's role as the one true Wonder Woman.

[korok]

I like Hippolyta as the WWII Wonder Woman, and a member of the JSA. I had the idea that people didn't remember it until Polly actually went back and became the JSA's Wonder Woman. Jay Garrick did not remember it until she came back, and then... he remembers it all.

Donna commented that it was Polly's version of Wonder Woman that inspired her to take the Wonder Girl identity. Remember that post-Crisis, Donna appeared long before Diana did.

Considering that these are magical / mythological based characters, I think it works. I don't feel it takes away from any of them.

[BnL]

Sure, send Hippolyta back if you want to, but NOT as Wonder Woman.

I agree with this.

[Nyssane]

I don't like it at all.

[froinlaven]

Absolutely not. Diana being a legacy hero completely undercuts the idea of Wonder Woman.

Sure, send Hippolyta back if you want to, but NOT as Wonder Woman.

Totally agree.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I'd prefer it if it Diana was both the Golden Age and Modern Age Wonder Woman. I don't see any reason why the character can't be extremely long-lived like the rest of the Amazons.

I think it also would solve the Steve Trevor problem by allowing their romance to take place within the context of WWII. This keeps Steve Trevor as an important part of the story, but also allows current writers to introduce new romantic suitors for Diana, while also giving her some much-needed pathos and heart-break to her personality.

That said, if DC is hell-bent on keeping Diana as a Modern Age character only, then I think having Hippolyta take her place as the Golden Age WW works just fine. Removing the existence of a Golden Age Wonder Woman is a terrible idea. I think you need a prominent female super-heroine in DC's Golden Age. You can remove Supes & Bats because Flash & GL can fill their roles pretty well, but there's nobody with the chops to fill WW's role.

I don't think having a WW exist decades prior to Diana's arrival dimishes her status at all. It just gives her more history to draw upon and increased her cultural influence. Afterall, a super-heroine like Wonder Woman who expressed the feminist world view she did was a big deal in the 1940s. A super-heroine like Wonder Woman first appearing in recent times? That's a few decades too late for her to have nearly the cultural impact a character like Wonder Woman should have.

I mean, without the existence of the Golden Age Wonder Woman, Diana just some Xena: Warrior Princess knock-off....

[americanwonder]

I vote "NO."

a) I'm not a big fan of time travel - very few exceptions.

b) (imo) One big aspect of the WW mythos is that Diana surpasses her mom and Amazon sisters, not just follows mom's legacy (yeah, I know Diana was first, even though mom was here 40 years earlier; see (a) above - gives me a headache).

[Andrew NDB]

I vote YES!

It was a pretty clever way of retroactively preserving -- in some fashion -- a lot of the Vol. 1 material that could otherwise not happen.

[Deus ex Chris]

Absolutely not.

[realmjit]

I don't like it, given Hippolyta's origins. HOWEVER, Hippolyta going to man's world as WW and getting all bent about Diana doing the same does seem well within character.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, folks, it's either

1) It was Hippolyta that was WW back in the day with the JSA and the old-timers.

Or

2) Those stories are zapped away en masse... because WW isn't immortal and doesn't look 90 years old.

I think #1 is more advisable.

[Deus ex Chris]

Wonder Woman is immortal.

[troy2g1]

Being an immortal allows Diana the perfect opportunity to be the GA WW as well as the modern day WW.

I don't mind Hippolyta as the "fill-in" when Diana died but making her the GA WW totally takes away from Diana which isn't fair.

[cockrumfan]

I enjoyed the idea, especially when Diana was gone for part of the 90's and you saw Hippolyta jump in there in JLA. Why can't Hippolyta be disgusted with man's world after the government disbanded the JSA and let that be the reason she doesn't want Diana going out into man's world? I don't think Wonder Woman being a legacy character takes away from Diana at all; I think it ingrains her further into the DCU and makes her a more complex hero. Does Black Canary being a legacy character hinder her? I don't believe so, and in Diana's case, it makes her mother's shadow that much harder to get out of.

[Constantine Drakon]

Well, folks, it's either

1) It was Hippolyta that was WW back in the day with the JSA and the old-timers.

Or

2) Those stories are zapped away en masse... because WW isn't immortal and doesn't look 90 years old.

I think #1 is more advisable.

I think #2 is far far FAR more advisable. Wonder Woman is hardly the only character to have stories "zapped away en masse".

[troy2g1]

I enjoyed the idea, especially when Diana was gone for part of the 90's and you saw Hippolyta jump in there in JLA. Why can't Hippolyta be disgusted with man's world after the government disbanded the JSA and let that be the reason she doesn't want Diana going out into man's world? I don't think Wonder Woman being a legacy character takes away from Diana at all; I think it ingrains her further into the DCU and makes her a more complex hero. Does Black Canary being a legacy character hinder her? I don't believe so, and in Diana's case, it makes her mother's shadow that much harder to get out of.

Because Diana was never trying to get out from under her mother's shadow.

And no disrespect to Black Canary but she isn't Wonder Woman -- the preeminent female superhero.

Wonder Woman was created as being Diana, Princess of Themyscira and that is who should always be the original Wonder Woman. She won the Contest, she was awarded the Bracelets of the Aegis and Lariat of Hestia. There's absolutely no reason why she can't be the Golden Age WW. She's an immortal Amazon -- there should be no confusion with having her appear during both time periods.

DC would *NEVER* allow a GA Superman to have appeared and not been Kal or a Batman to appear who isn't Bruce.

[troy2g1]

Well, folks, it's either

1) It was Hippolyta that was WW back in the day with the JSA and the old-timers.

Or

2) Those stories are zapped away en masse... because WW isn't immortal and doesn't look 90 years old.

I think #1 is more advisable.

Wonder Woman's Post-IC history has established her as an immortal.

And, really, it isn't far fetched -- all Amazons are immortal so it only makes sense Diana is as well.

[cockrumfan]

Because Diana was never trying to get out from under her mother's shadow.

And no disrespect to Black Canary but she isn't Wonder Woman -- the preeminent female superhero.

Wonder Woman was created as being Diana, Princess of Themyscira and that is who should always be the original Wonder Woman. She won the Contest, she was awarded the Bracelets of the Aegis and Lariat of Hestia. There's absolutely no reason why she can't be the Golden Age WW. She's an immortal Amazon -- there should be no confusion with having her appear during both time periods.

DC would *NEVER* allow a GA Superman to have appeared and not been Kal or a Batman to appear who isn't Bruce.

I always thought that made her less innocent, if that makes sense. Her being a part of man's world in the golden age takes away the ignorance of man's world which means the naivete is gone as well. Also, it takes away from the idea that she's just learning how to be a superhero (like in Wagner's Trinity.) She no longer becomes a contemporary of Bruce and Clark, but someone more experienced and more knowledgeable about the superhero "business." I'm not saying Diana can't be the golden age wonder woman, but I prefer it to be Hippolyta, because I think it makes Diana's story more intriguing. I think legacy hero stories have more interesting dynamics to them: Starman, Stars and S.T.R.P.E., Manhunter. And as far as stepping out of her mother's shadow goes, maybe I should have said that it makes proving herself to her mother more important.

[troy2g1]

I always thought that made her less innocent, if that makes sense. Her being a part of man's world in the golden age takes away the ignorance of man's world which means the naivete is gone as well. Also, it takes away from the idea that she's just learning how to be a superhero (like in Wagner's Trinity.) She no longer becomes a contemporary of Bruce and Clark, but someone more experienced and more knowledgeable about the superhero "business." I'm not saying Diana can't be the golden age wonder woman, but I prefer it to be Hippolyta, because I think it makes Diana's story more intriguing. I think legacy hero stories have more interesting dynamics to them: Starman, Stars and S.T.R.P.E., Manhunter. And as far as stepping out of her mother's shadow goes, maybe I should have said that it makes proving herself to her mother more important.

The naivete you speak of really left during the Perez run. She was in awe of the new world but she learns VERY fast (Wisdom of Athena).

Wagner's Trinity is an out of continuity story.

She can still be a contemporary of Bruce & Kal -- she will always be better trained and more experienced because 1) she has the Wisdom of a Goddess and 2) she was trained since birth.

I'm not entirely sure her goal was to prove anything to her mother. That wasn't the reason Diana entered the Contest and chose to compete for the right to be Wonder Woman.

All the characters you mentioned are fine and great but, really, they aren't WONDER WOMAN. Diana as the 2nd WW is a slap in the face.

[rab082154]

Sure, she can be the Golden Age Wonder Woman...as long as Jor-El comes to earth to decide if his son should be here, as the Golden Age Superman, and Bruce Wayne's Grandfather becomes the Golden Age Bat-Man.

And not a minute before. As soon as that happens, then i'll be fine with Hippolyte becoming the Goden Age Wonder Woman.

But in all seriousness. There is no reason that Diana can't have her past restored. Her better than any other character has it very easy to have been apart of WWII, as the character can be immortal.

[BnL]

You can't really retcon Diana as the Golden Age Wonder Woman without negating much of the Perez run. It's easier to just retcon it so that Hippolyta went back to WWII and joined the JSA, but not going by the name or costume of Wonder Woman.

[hobomystical]

You can't really retcon Diana as the Golden Age Wonder Woman without negating much of the Perez run. It's easier to just retcon it so that Hippolyta went back to WWII and joined the JSA, but not going by the name or costume of Wonder Woman.

this would be my preference. or have diana go back at a much later date (like she did in jimenez' run) and be wonder woman for a period of time there. i like that hippy was active back then, but she shouldn't use the name 'wonder woman'. in fact, it should be a mystery to everyone except the heroes she fought with where she came from just so she wouldn't disrupt the timeline. there should be very few photos of her outside of the jsa archives and she should act a lot behind the scenes or on missions that aren't in the public's eye. remember in perez' run where people were saying diana looked like a woman from the 40s? that's how it should have been, but after what byrne did how could there be any mystery to who that woman was?

[superchick]

Absolutely not. Diana being a legacy hero completely undercuts the idea of Wonder Woman.


How? What is in a name?

[ShaunN]

Wonder Woman's Post-IC history has established her as an immortal.

And, really, it isn't far fetched -- all Amazons are immortal so it only makes sense Diana is as well.

Hi! Could I get a confirmation on this? I had always believed Diana was immortal, too - largely, I think, because it is implied that she is immortal (at least until she becomes pregnant) in "Kingdom Come." However, I was told by others on another board that this is not the case - that she is mortal, and that this was established back when Diana stopped being the "goddess of truth" and was "restored" to her mortality.

So, I've never been clear on this point. As pointed out by Troy, the Amazons are immortal and I've never seen anything indicating that leaving Themyscira is enough to make them mortal. In Perez's run on WW, this never comes up at all -for example, Hippolyta and the Amazons are not opposed to Diana leaving Themyscira because it will make her mortal, something that surely would have been raised as a major concern if it was a factor. So, my take on this is that the circumstantial evidence is that Diana is immortal. But I'd love if someone could direct me to a source that comes right out and says this.

On the issue of Hippolyta as the Golden Age WW - I'm very opposed to it. I think that Jiminez did some good stories with this concept, but I think that the idea undermines both Diana and her mother, for many of the reasons already raised here.

Thanks.

[superchick]

Sure, she can be the Golden Age Wonder Woman...as long as Jor-El comes to earth to decide if his son should be here, as the Golden Age Superman, and Bruce Wayne's Grandfather becomes the Golden Age Bat-Man.
.

Smallville played with that idea. Jor-El came to earth, fell in love with Lana's Aunt.

[BnL]

However, I was told by others on another board that this is not the case - that she is mortal, and that this was established back when Diana stopped being the "goddess of truth" and was "restored" to her mortality.

I took that to mean that she's "mortal" in the sense that anyone who is not a god is a mortal.

As for recent references to her immortality, I remember in Meltzer's JLA, there was an issue he did which featured several flashbacks and flashforwards, and one of the future bits was about Diana giving up her immortality in order to marry an unnamed mortal man.

[md62]

Wow. I didn't expect this many responses when I woke up this morning. So far (9/7/09) it appears the majority does NOT like Polly as the GA WW. And the posters that feel this way have been very eloquent about it. I have to say this board is one of the best I have ever posted on. The readers here have been polite & civil even when we disagree.

Back to the topic: It seems to me that the main objection is having Polly be WW before Diana undermines Diana's place in the modern world. Those of you that voted NO - are you OK with Polly being a hero in the 40's with the JSA BUT with a different name?

[galactica]

Why do we need Diana or Hippolyta to be in WWII?

[md62]

Why do we need Diana or Hippolyta to be in WWII?

We don't. COIE "removed" the GA Superman, Batman & Wonder Woman from JSA stories. Byrne tried to "restore" Wonder Woman to those stories by retconning Polly as Wonder Woman in WWII. When Phil Jimenez took over the book he expanded on this idea which is when I started to like the concept.

[aegisbearer]

Wow. I didn't expect this many responses when I woke up this morning. So far (9/7/09) it appears the majority does NOT like Polly as the GA WW. And the posters that feel this way have been very eloquent about it. I have to say this board is one of the best I have ever posted on. The readers here have been polite & civil even when we disagree.

md62, it's refreshing, isn't it? I, for one, hope it stays that way (civil and polite).

Aegis

[ScottyQuick]

How? What is in a name?

Because Wonder Woman is about how Diana should come to earth and spread peace and love to a world that couldn't care less about it. If she had somebody doing her mission before her, that's ... that's bad.

[JKCarrier]

In theory, I like it because it brings those classic '40s stories back into continuity. However, in practice it doesn't really work, because modern Hippolyta is nothing like golden age Wonder Woman (e.g., golden age WW didn't go around hacking people with a sword), so the stories still don't fit. And what do you do about the stories where Hippolyta herself had a prominent role? In the end, it probably causes more problems than it solves.

[ShaunN]

As things stand now, is Hippolyta as the golden-age WW still the established continuity in the DCU? Or has this somehow been discarded?

[ShaunN]

I took that to mean that she's "mortal" in the sense that anyone who is not a god is a mortal.

As for recent references to her immortality, I remember in Meltzer's JLA, there was an issue he did which featured several flashbacks and flashforwards, and one of the future bits was about Diana giving up her immortality in order to marry an unnamed mortal man.

BnL - thanks. I seem to recall something about that too, in the context of Diana marrying Steve Trevor in the "Infinity Inc" reality (I guess that's what used to be Earth 2).

So, she's immortal. That makes a lot more sense!

[Simonesays]

Pointless retcon that made Hippolyta Wonder Woman and Diana a legacy hero. The JSA doesn't need a Wonder Woman unless it's Diana back on the original Earth-2.

[MinaRho1]

BnL -
So, she's immortal. That makes a lot more sense!
Well, she can still be killed in battle, but no, she doesn't age, so I guess that's technically the word for it?

The rules for that word puzzle me.

[Simonesays]

In theory, I like it because it brings those classic '40s stories back into continuity. However, in practice it doesn't really work, because modern Hippolyta is nothing like golden age Wonder Woman (e.g., golden age WW didn't go around hacking people with a sword), so the stories still don't fit. And what do you do about the stories where Hippolyta herself had a prominent role? In the end, it probably causes more problems than it solves.

The same thing that would happen without a Superman in World War II - someone else would fill the role somehow.

[cockrumfan]

The same thing that would happen without a Superman in World War II - someone else would fill the role somehow.
Yeah, but that leads to Legion territory, which is bad for everyone, because it muddies the waters horribly, and it makes fixing everything a whole lot harder. I don't mind it as much as everyone else does, apparently, because I don't think the legacy hero thing takes anything away from Diana, especially with time travel, because then her mom is trying to live up to her daughter's standards in a wierd way. And, Hal, and Barry are legacy heroes, but that doesn't diminish them in any way.

[Michael P]

I don't have a problem with it.

As for the "It made Diana a legacy hero" complaint: What's wrong with being a legacy hero? Nobody ever complains about Barry, Hal, Ray and Katar being made legacy heroes post-Crisis.

[Wonder Watcher]

I agree with this.Yep, me too.

Apart from the problems it creates with Diana being the first Wonder Woman - ie she wouldn't be, Hippolyta just doesn't really need to be Wonder Woman, she's the Goddamn Queen! :wink:

I say fix it by getting them both back to WWII, Diana by time travel as Wonder Woman and Hippolyta las herself living through it.

[ScottyQuick]

I don't have a problem with it.

As for the "It made Diana a legacy hero" complaint: What's wrong with being a legacy hero? Nobody ever complains about Barry, Hal, Ray and Katar being made legacy heroes post-Crisis.

No, because Barry, Hal, Ray and Katar aren't Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman's about coming to spread love and peace and truth to a foreign world that's hostile to your Paradise Island, being a legacy hero undercuts that.

[empty_handed]

I VOTE NO... (we already voted at the DCMB and won by a landslide.. NO MEANS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!) :tongue:

[Michael P]

No, because Barry, Hal, Ray and Katar aren't Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman's about coming to spread love and peace and truth to a foreign world that's hostile to your Paradise Island, being a legacy hero undercuts that.

How, exactly?

[Evil Eleanor]

No.

Because it makes no sense, even by comic standards.

Diana leaves Themyscira, wearing her traditional colors, does lots of heroic things, gets the name "Wonder Woman"... and nobody ever says to her "you remind me of the famous WWII superheroine named Wonder Woman, who looks very much like you, even having the same costume. And she was an Amazon. And here's a photograph of her"?

I'm befuddled by many of the arguments in favor of it. It's not "rescuing" Golden Age stories at all. Hippolyta is not Diana. She did not date Steve Trevor. She did not befriend Etta Candy. Wondy-lyta did not regularly interact with the Amazons during WWII, like GA Diana did. You can't just plop a time-traveling Hippolyta into those old stories, it doesn't work.

The stories aren't "rescued" at all. Not that I really get why it's so important to keep them anyway...

[buttler]

I don't have a problem with it.

As for the "It made Diana a legacy hero" complaint: What's wrong with being a legacy hero? Nobody ever complains about Barry, Hal, Ray and Katar being made legacy heroes post-Crisis.

Barry and Hal have always been legacy heroes. Barry was inspired by Jay Garrick in comic books, so having him inspired by the real Jay Garrick (whom he met early on anyway back in the Silver Age) doesn't make much difference. Hal is part of the legacy of the Green Lantern Corps & is pretty much unchanged by Alan's existence -- whom again, he's known for a long time anyway. Ray isn't a legacy hero any more than Reddy is, as Al Pratt doesn't have anything to do with him aside from the name. And everybody complains about Katar, because his post-Crisis continuity is such a mess. Making Diana's story nearly as muddled as his with all this time-travel hoohah doesn't exactly help matters.

[Hyperion322]

I love Polly as the Wonder Woman of the '40s and as a member of the JSA!

~ Hype

[troy2g1]

Barry and Hal have always been legacy heroes. Barry was inspired by Jay Garrick in comic books, so having him inspired by the real Jay Garrick (whom he met early on anyway back in the Silver Age) doesn't make much difference. Hal is part of the legacy of the Green Lantern Corps & is pretty much unchanged by Alan's existence -- whom again, he's known for a long time anyway. Ray isn't a legacy hero any more than Reddy is, as Al Pratt doesn't have anything to do with him aside from the name. And everybody complains about Katar, because his post-Crisis continuity is such a mess. Making Diana's story nearly as muddled as his with all this time-travel hoohah doesn't exactly help matters.

I was about to post the same thing but you beat me to it.

I'm really confused why someone would place Diana on the same level as Barry or Hal... I guarantee you nobody would ever compare Bruce or Clark to any other hero.

[suedenim]

No.

Because it makes no sense, even by comic standards.

Diana leaves Themyscira, wearing her traditional colors, does lots of heroic things, gets the name "Wonder Woman"... and nobody ever says to her "you remind me of the famous WWII superheroine named Wonder Woman, who looks very much like you, even having the same costume. And she was an Amazon. And here's a photograph of her"?

I'm befuddled by many of the arguments in favor of it. It's not "rescuing" Golden Age stories at all. Hippolyta is not Diana. She did not date Steve Trevor. She did not befriend Etta Candy. Wondy-lyta did not regularly interact with the Amazons during WWII, like GA Diana did. You can't just plop a time-traveling Hippolyta into those old stories, it doesn't work.

The stories aren't "rescued" at all. Not that I really get why it's so important to keep them anyway...

Yeah, it's symptomatic of a certain sort of John Byrne approach - he gets a bug up his butt about the need to "fix" some particular thing, and the fix ends up being more cumbersome and illogical than the original (Spider-Man: Chapter One is the classic example.)

[Major Comma]

I wish there was a third option.
Not Sure .
without that,
I vote NO.

[troy2g1]

DC is constantly changing Superman's origin and history so I don't see why it would be so difficult to teak Diana's.

She can arrive in Man's World during the "GA" adventures as Wonder Woman, leave after the Justice Society of America disbands, and come back in time to form the Justice League of America. She's immortal, it doesn't require much at all.

The Perez run can either slide down the timeline to happen earlier (GA) or Diana can just be in awe of how the world changed in the years she was gone (as Themyscira doesn't actually change).

[cockrumfan]

I was about to post the same thing but you beat me to it.

I'm really confused why someone would place Diana on the same level as Barry or Hal... I guarantee you nobody would ever compare Bruce or Clark to any other hero.
Clark and Bruce are compared to Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, and Green Arrow repeatedly. And if we see Diana as a legacy hero, then doesn't that bridge the gap between the big three and Green Lantern and Flash? I'm also missing why Diana would be a legacy hero if she came first, but Hippolytia went back in time later. Unless you take her out of the Golden Age completly, then you're going to have problems, and even then if you do that, then the Legion problem comes up again, where you use replacements to make it work, but it makes everything worse.

[Tori Pagac]

I hated it. First of all, it turned Diana into a legacy hero -- "Wonder Woman Jr." as far as the world was concerned. It was bad enough that at the time Donna Troy had more superheroing experience than Diana did, because she'd been established as a complete newcomer after the Crisis. (Happily that part was later retconned away and Diana reestablished as a founding member of the JLA.)

Second, it was a retcon piled on top of other retcons already established to account for the same continuity. The Golden Age Fury was created post-Crisis to account for/replace WW's WWII adventures and become modern-day Fury's mom now that Earth-2 WW wasn't around anymore. Now I guess those adventures were had by Hippolyta, some by Fury, some by Miss America -- or maybe they just dogpiled on all the Golden Age WW baddies. Any any case, it just made continuity more tangled and more confusing. And yeah, also diminished Diana's role as the one true Wonder Woman.

yeah can we re recon that please

[nightforce]

I much rather that Hippolytta was just Diana's Mother and Queen

[MinaRho1]

I'm gonna be completely shallow for a moment here. Phil Himenez's costumes for her were awesome. I loved the golden age style costume with silver accents instead of gold.

[4PointOh]

I voted no because:

1. The time-travel aspect of it gives me a headache.

2. It takes away from Diana's impact if she isn't the first Wonder Woman.

3. Hippolyta makes a rather harsh Wonder Woman.

So, yeah. No.

[UsagiTsukino]

[QUOTE=Bored at 3:00AM;9579833]I'd prefer it if it Diana was both the Golden Age and Modern Age Wonder Woman. I don't see any reason why the character can't be extremely long-lived like the rest of the Amazons.

I think it also would solve the Steve Trevor problem by allowing their romance to take place within the context of WWII. This keeps Steve Trevor as an important part of the story, but also allows current writers to introduce new romantic suitors for Diana, while also giving her some much-needed pathos and heart-break to her personality.


I like this idea. Like a villian from the 40s does serious harm to Steve .Like Dr. Posion disiguse herself as a doctor to posion the. Military base. Diana getting there just in time. Defeat Dr. Posion and once steve recovery she knows that things can't work out between them because if one villian was able to get than just think if they discover her secret identity . Steve would be put in danger. Diana also notice Etta Candy as feels for Steve . So she stops. She happy for Steve and Etta . She would leave fall in love for some else.

[Rob_Olivera]

I voted NO, but not because it takes away from Wonder Woman. I just didn't like it when it was done in the past. I thought the whole idea was just convoluted, pointless, and complicated.

In THIS nu52 I'd like it even less, starting because I pretty much think that "nu52" is happening in a different Earth than the nu52 Wonder Woman. Nothing supports my theory that I can point at and say "this is why I think that" but its just how I feel. I think -re-nu52 Diana is alive and well living her life on another earth, along with all the things we knew.

Who was it that cooked up that arc? Byrne? I forget.

[Fate's Faith]

Haven't read this but had heard of it and was not pleased. Really, if you want Wonder Woman in the JSA there was an easy way to have her. She's immortal. Its the way they handled it in the television series. Having Hippolyte just makes Diana seem pointless. She's already had experience in the outside world. She already knows some of the people Wonder Woman will work along side. So instead they send Diana and don't tell her anything to prepare her? A really pointless retcon if you ask me.

[klinton]

I actually really liked it, up until Jimenez made it a point of contention out of which came petty spats between Diana and Polly. Diana came off looking childish in those arguments.

It gave Polly something interesting to do besides thinking of ways to make Diana miserable (historically her role in WW comics).

[The Man From Room X]

If Batman (Bruce) can be a legacy character I see no reason why Wonder Woman can't be one as well.