dbz series pwrlvls manga

[brick1988]

Saiyan Saga (each reading pertains to a battle; other readings in the manga while not in combat are unnecessary) (those readings not stated in manga are estimated those not specific are added to for accuracy)

Raditz:1200 Goku (weighted clothes): 334

Piccolo (weighted clothes): 322 Gohan (upset):710

Goku (battle ready): 416 Piccolo (battle ready): 408

Goku (Full power +kamehameha): 930

Piccolo (light of death (special beam cannon): 1330 Gohan (angry): 1307

Raditz (injured): 600 Piccolo (Full power +light of death) :1440


Nappa: 4000 Cultavars (saibamen): 1200 each Vegeta: 18000

Chaotzu: 900 Kuririn: 1083 Tien: 1300 Piccolo: 1220

Yamcha: 1200 Gohan: 981

Cultavar (kamikaze): 2200 Nappa (Full power): 7000

Kuririn (splitting kamehameha): 2000 each Chaotzu (kamikaze): 1900

Piccolo (Full power): 2700 Kuririn (Full power): 2100

Tien (suicide ki ko ho (tri beam): 2500

Gohan (angry +masenko): 2800 Goku: 5000 Goku (Full power): 8500

Goku (kaiokenX1): 13000 Nappa (paralyzed): 100


Vegeta (Full power): 20,000 Goku (kaiokenX2): 17000

Goku (kaiokenX3): 22000

Vegeta (Full power +galik gun): 25000 Goku (kaiokenX3 +kamehameha): 23000

Goku (kamehameha +kaiokenX4):27000


Vegeta (injured): 10,000 Goku (maxed out): 4200 Vegeta (ape):90,000

Goku (genkidama (spirit bomb): 50,000 Goku (near death): 1000

Yajarobi: 1000 Vegeta: 8000 Kuririn (mini genkidama): 5000

Gohan (ape): 14000 Vegeta (injured): 4000 Vegeta (near death): 1000


other sagas be out soon tell me wat u think so far
will stop after android sagas

[brick1988]

Kiwi: 19000 Vegeta:18000 Vegeta (Full power): 24000

Kuririn (weighted clothes): 1500 Gohan: 1500

Freeza's minor goons: 1200 each

Namekian farmers: 1000 each Namekian farmers (Full power): 3000 each


Dodoria: 21000 Vegeta: 25000

Zarbon: 22000 Vegeta (max during fight 1): 25500 Vegeta (near death): 1000

Zarbon (transformed): 29000 Vegeta (max during fight 2): 31000

Kuririn (pre-Elder boost): 2000 Gohan (pre-Elder boost): 1700


Guldo (pwrlvl unable to account for sorcery): 10,000

Recoome: 40,000

Kuririn (awakened power): 30,000 Kuririn (injured): 3000

Gohan (after elder boost (still mostly unawakened without rage): 28000

Vegeta (during Ginyu force fight): 35000 Vegeta (injured): 18000

Gohan (enraged full power): 32000 Gohan (near death): 100

Jeice (combat specialist): 50,000 Recoome (paralyzed): 100

Burtur (speed specialist): 50,000 Burtur (paralyzed): 100

Goku (suppressed with jumps to maximum too quick for scouters): 5000


Ginyu: 120,000

Goku (full power without kaioken) 120,000

Goku (kaiokenX1 (could have gone further but only wished to scare Ginyu off): 180,000

Ginyu (max as Goku): 23000

Goku (as Ginyu injured): 60,000 Gohan: 35000 Kuririn: 35000

Vegeta (in fight with Jeice): 100,000 Vegeta (in fight with fake goku): 150,000

Ginyu (as frog): 1 Goku (near death but back to normal): 100

[brick1988]

Freeza (form 1): 530,000

Nail: 2400 Nail (Full power): 42000 Nail (near death): 100

Freeza (form 1.5): 590,000 Freeza (form 2):1,300,000

Kuririn: 50,000 Kuririn (near death): 100 Gohan: 40,000

Gohan (angry): 100,000 Vegeta: 200,000

Vegeta (Full power): 450,000

Piccolo (Nail fusion with weighted clothes): 700,000

Piccolo (Full power): 900,000


Freeza (form 3):4,300,000

Freeza (true form probably at 25% power against multiple opponents): 8,700,000

Vegeta (after Dende heal): 1,000,000

[brick1988]

Vegeta (near death): 100

Freeza (1%): 350,000 Freeza (50%): 17,000,000

Goku (50%): 400,000 Goku (Full power): 800,000

Goku (kaiokenX10): 4,800,000

Goku (kaiokenX20 +kamehameha): 10,000,000

Goku (genkidama): 20,000,000


Freeza (injured): 8,000,000 Goku (injured): 400,000

Piccolo (near death): 100

Goku (Super Saiyan): 20,000,000

Freeza (100% (would be 35 million if not for spirit bomb): 18,000,000

Freeza (near death): 100 Freeza (after Goku's help): 100,000

[brick1988]

King Cold: 20,000,000 Mecha Freeza: 40,000,000

King Cold's elite guard: 4000 each

Trunks (supressed): 5 Trunks (Super Saiyan): 45,000,000

Goku SS: 50,000,000

[Robotech Master]

Interesting that you'd take on this task. I'm not sure what some of your sources are, but for Raditz through the Namek Saga the Daizenshuu 7 gave official power levels, though not for everyone (the Ginyu force, other than Captain Ginyu himself, are still up to theory IIRC). Still, Form 4 Freeza was 1,200,000 when he first transformed. When he went to 50%, he was 60 million, and topped off at 120 million, also with no statements that he was unable to reach this due to the spirit bomb earlier. He was at his 120 million maximum, but Goku was 150 million, and so outclassed him.

Some of these seem a little out of place, and I'm not sure why you chose to estimate them: namely, trying to form power levels for characters after they have been injured, most--if not all--of which was never given by Toriyama. There are also some additions that confuse me. Nappa as 7000 for instance, when the canon material says 4,000 and has never, ever implied he had anything more than that.

Most of the other stuff is close or exactly what the Daizenshuu 7 says, though of course the canon stops after Namek.

Just my thoughts

[The Xenos]

Suddenly I feel like I walked into a D&D character creation topic, a Yu Gi Oh card debate, or a Fantasy Football League forum.

[NickGuy]

LOL!

i remember reading somewhere that cell was as strong ads buu, something like 300 mil. i liked that number

[brick1988]

Interesting that you'd take on this task. I'm not sure what some of your sources are, but for Raditz through the Namek Saga the Daizenshuu 7 gave official power levels, though not for everyone (the Ginyu force, other than Captain Ginyu himself, are still up to theory IIRC). Still, Form 4 Freeza was 1,200,000 when he first transformed. When he went to 50%, he was 60 million, and topped off at 120 million, also with no statements that he was unable to reach this due to the spirit bomb earlier. He was at his 120 million maximum, but Goku was 150 million, and so outclassed him.

Some of these seem a little out of place, and I'm not sure why you chose to estimate them: namely, trying to form power levels for characters after they have been injured, most--if not all--of which was never given by Toriyama. There are also some additions that confuse me. Nappa as 7000 for instance, when the canon material says 4,000 and has never, ever implied he had anything more than that.
Just my thoughts

I only go by the direct manga source, the rest i go on reason by my own logic and as for nappa, i did have 4,000 as his natural state, 7,000 was his whup ass mode after that static cling type power up in the manga
and 7,000 explains how he was a match for Goku for a bit after he calmed down

[brick1988]

Android pwrlvls are mostly constant, even when low on energy, energy is just the ability to use that power, fuel for strength rather than strength itself; damage however will be put in

#19: 50,000,000 #20: 100,000,000

Yamcha: 1,000,000 Yamcha (near death): 100

Goku: 3,000,000 Goku SS: 50,000,000

Goku SS (virus full effect): 25,000,000 Goku (while in recovery): 100


Vegeta SS: 130,000,000

#19 (damaged): 1,000,000 #20 (Gero (damaged): 1,000,000

Piccolo: 120,000,000

[The Xenos]

Goku: 5000 Goku (Full power): 8500

Goku (kaiokenX1): 13000
Hey, guess it was over 9000.

[brick1988]

#18: 150,000,000 #17: 200,000,000

Vegeta SS: 130,000,000 Trunks SS: 130,000,000 Piccolo: 130,000,000

Tien: 3,000,000 Vegeta SS (big bang attack): 150,000,000


Cell: 160,000,000 Piccolo (kami fusion): 200,000,000

Cell (kamehameha): 180,000,000


At fight with #17
Piccolo: 210,000,000

Cell: 250,000,000 Cell (injured): 190,000,000 #16: 250,000,000

Cell 2.0: 450,000,000 #16 (damaged): 1,000,000

Piccolo (near death): 100 Tien (cut in half with each ki ko ho): 4,000,000

Tien (drained): 100

[brick1988]

as to the dispute of injured fighters power change, they are still able to fight just not at maximum; as for near death that power isnt a fighting level, its how much power they are using to stay alive

[Hiromi]

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_power_levels

[brick1988]

Cell 2.0: 450,000,000

#16 (damaged): 1,000,000 #18:150,000,000

Vegeta SS: 350,000,000 Vegeta (Super Saiyan Super mode): 500,000,000

Kuririn: 3,000,000 Trunks SS: 300,000,000


Cell 3.0: 600,000,000 Vegeta (SS SM +Final Flash): 590,000,000

Trunks (SS SM): 450,000,000

Trunks (Ultra Super Saiyan (stronger than cell but much slower):650,000,000

Cell (version of U SS): 660,000,000

[brick1988]

Trunks (Ultra Super Saiyan (stronger than cell but much slower):650,000,000


being stronger isnt the only way to raise ur pwrlvl, speed has a lot to do with it as for dodging or catching ur opponent; but a reading of power output wod count strength for a greater part

[brick1988]

Hercule: 100

Cell: 700,000,000 Goku SS: 690,000,000

Goku SS (teleport kamehameha): 710,000,000 (damn his aim)

Goku (injured): 360,000,000

Cell (injured): 400,000,000 Cell (after sensu): 850,000,000

Gohan SS: 750,000,000 Gohan (injured): 380,000,000

#16: 250,000,000

[brick1988]

Cell Juniors: 800,000,000 each Cell: 850,000,000

Kuririn: 5,000,000 Tien: 6,000,000 Yamcha: 3,000,000

Piccolo: 400,000,000 Vegeta SS SM: 700,000,000

Trunks SS SM: 600,000,000 Goku SS (injured): 300,000,000

Gohan SS (injured): 350,000,000 Gohan SS2: 1,000,000,000

Cell USS: 900,000,000 Cell 2.0 (downgraded): 500,000,000

Cell Perfect: 1,100,000,000 Trunks (near death): 1000

Gohan SS2 (injured):950,000,000


Cell (perfect+Kamehameha):1,200,000,000

Gohan (injured+ SS2+ Kamehameha): 1,150,000,000

Gohan (SS2 +inraged kamehameha): 2,500,000,000

[Vaiyt]

I swear I've seen this same thread at least two times before... one of them in Rumbles.

Well, my opinion is that there's a reason they stopped measuring power levels by numbers back in the Namek saga. It was getting ridiculous.

[brick1988]

u kno wat fun is? this was for fun, not for some over opinionated hater to make an ass of himself on

MOD NOTE: If you want to play numbers games with characters that's fine, but don't be a snot.

[SwordChucksMaster78]

...? How was he making a supposed ass of himself? He just pointed something out is all.

Anyways, enjoy your thread.

[Vaiyt]

u kno wat fun is? this was for fun, not for some over opinionated hater to make an ass of himself on
Cry me a river.

By your definition, Toriyama is a "hater" as well, since he abandoned the numbers himself.

[Hiromi]

Power Levels were pretty fun when first introduced, and remained such until Freeza hit his final form, upon which they quickly inflated to sillyness.

[brick1988]

Power Levels were pretty fun when first introduced, and remained such until Freeza hit his final form, upon which they quickly inflated to sillyness.

nothing against u dude this is for the other guy; i hav seen plenty of silly and almost down right moronic stuff on tv, that makes less sense than a copper horse shoe and yet otherwise intellectual folks laugh their asses off at it, or engage in such acts themselves cause they seem to think wat happened to the other guy wont happen to them and they can still laugh at it; if u find ME stupid then these above mentioned quarter-wits ought to be really entertaining for u to watch them appear entertained

[brick1988]

Cry me a river.

By your definition, Toriyama is a "hater" as well, since he abandoned the numbers himself.

he "abadoned" them because their necessity had run its course and those who used numeric scouters ie freezas cronies had either all died off or left the earth alone and therefore was no threat to be mentioned;and in the buu series there was a new chi lvl measuring system which as far as anyone can see is not compatible with earth equations, or it mite take a really long one lol; and either way, u dont call an activity a waste of time, when it time consumption could be wats keeping a guy like me from goin insane with boredom; if ur bored with life ur btr off dead

[DarkBlade]

Brick1988, the opinion tendered was that power level numberings in DBZ became ridiculous, not that you're an idiot. Ease up. You also might find more frequent commentary with regular spelling and common capitalization.

[brick1988]

Brick1988, the opinion tendered was that power level numberings in DBZ became ridiculous, not that you're an idiot. Ease up. You also might find more frequent commentary with regular spelling and common capitalization.

my apologies mod but the one im responding to has insulted my intelligence on other occasions where there was no need to even respond if one is so disinterested or uncertain of usefulness of methods, this was like the other for fun; on the other post it was merely asked that dbz fans have fun in the use of math, albeit dubious in method, may i ask why people are allowed to treat fun with such malicious seriousness; as though a fan is being moronic on purpose, curmudgeons are unnecessary in these situations

[DarkBlade]

my apologies mod but the one im responding to has insulted my intelligence on other occasions where there was no need to even respond if one is so disinterested or uncertain of usefulness of methods, this was like the other for fun; on the other post it was merely asked that dbz fans have fun in the use of math, albeit dubious in method, may i ask why people are allowed to treat fun with such malicious seriousness; as though a fan is being moronic on purpose, curmudgeons are unnecessary in these situations

I think you may be seeing direct insult where it's not meant. That can be a drawback of text--tone is hard to distinguish. If you ARE being directly insulted, please feel free to report the post! There's a link for doing so. I can't catch EVERYTHING.

It seems that admitting it is a dubious method yourself will get you farther in protesting "It's just for fun!" This goes double if you leave it at, "c'mon just having fun even if it is wonky" instead of "why are you ruining my fun you *****?"

Fandom is a different lens and experience for everyone. Our cranky bastard quotient is pretty low here on the Anime and Manga board at CBR, though some people do take their fandom seriously. Debating merits of a system definitely falls into fandom! Try to read responses for what they are.