Which villain from Wonder Woman Annual #1 would you like to see return?

[Nyssane]

Heinberg brought a lot of villains back in the 2007 annual, but they really only served as fodder. Who would you like to see brought back into the spotlight under Gail?

(Cheetah, Giganta, and Doctor Psycho not included in the poll, plus no Doctor Poison or Doctor Cyber since apparently Gail has plans for them?)

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[Dream Boy]

If I had to pick only one, I'd go with the Duke of Deception. I've been waiting for him to get an update for years. But I think there's potential in so many of them.

[SJNeal]

While I'm a big Silver Swan fan, I went with Angle Man. I was first introduced to him in the Donna back-up story Jimenez did during his run. I've been curious to see more with him ever since.

[Dream Boy]

While I'm a big Silver Swan fan, I went with Angle Man. I was first introduced to him in the Donna back-up story Jimenez did during his run. I've been curious to see more with him ever since.

They used him in Catwoman's last series too, although he was decidely different from the hot dude that was lusting after Donna. lol I've rationalized it in my head as being two different people with the same codename/power.

[4PointOh]

I need more than one vote, please. : )

[Nyssane]

I need more than one vote, please. : )

It's multiple choice! :smile: Pick all of them if you like.

[SJNeal]

They used him in Catwoman's last series too, although he was decidely different from the hot dude that was lusting after Donna. lol I've rationalized it in my head as being two different people with the same codename/power.

I never picked up any of the last Catwoman series, despite loving most of the 1st (1993) series. They ended that on such a horrific note (Bronwyn Carlton should never be allowed to "write" again!) that I was kinda put off by Selina for a long time... :frown:

But Angle Man's cool. What issues did he appear in? Are they worth tracking down?

[4PointOh]

Gundra, the Valkyrie; The Mask; Osira; Kung; Minister Blizzard; Silver Swan In that order. : )

[Dream Boy]

I never picked up any of the last Catwoman series, despite loving most of the 1st (1993) series. They ended that on such a horrific note (Bronwyn Carlton should never be allowed to "write" again!) that I was kinda put off by Selina for a long time... :frown:

But Angle Man's cool. What issues did he appear in? Are they worth tracking down?

Oh, yeah. Bronwyn Carlton made it very hard for me to get through any of those issues. LOL The 2nd series is awesome though, especially everything by Brubaker. I thought Pfeifer, as controversial as he was, was a decent follow-up but his Catwoman was just too different for some fans.

I believe Angle Man appears in issues 46-58 and then issues 70 and 71. I will warn you that he's definitely different from what Phil wrote. He's much more vicious, obsessed, and nasty.

[Kurt Busiek]

I've wanted to bring back Minister Blizzard for years -- I think we stuck him in the future sequence of CAMELOT FALLS in a cameo. Or at least, I know I stuck him in, but I don't remember if Carlos drew him in.

I'd also love to do something with Mouse Man, Paper Man, Kung, Astarte, Trixter, the Dark Commander, Warhead and Mr. Genie.

Among others.

We had a new version of the Duke of Deception, Anton deKeptos, ready to use in the first arc of TRINITY, before TRINITY became a year-long single story, but things changed.

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[korok]

I'd love to see updates of Osira and Duke Of Deception... would also like to see Eviless re-invented for modern times!

[Dream Boy]

We had a new version of the Duke of Deception, Anton deKeptos, ready to use in the first arc of TRINITY, before TRINITY became a year-long single story, but things changed.

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Oh, this makes me so sad! LOL

[Nyssane]

I'd love to see updates of Osira and Duke Of Deception... would also like to see Eviless re-invented for modern times!

I want Eviless re-invented, too! Blue Snowman and possibly Hypnota should come back, also.


Oh, this makes me so sad! LOL

Me too! :frown: Though I always loved that the Duke was a lesser God and a servant of Ares, rather than a human. I also loved that he had the whole "Mastermind Complex" and made himself into a hot guy rather than showing his true self, the ugly little gnome-like creature he was.

What are some good stories with Osira and Kung? I have admittedly never read anything with them!

[Kyle Sing]

Angle Man
Doctor Cyber
Gundra

[meek?]

I wanna see all o' them back just to get to know their modern takes. I'm not familiar w/ anyone on that list. The closest would be Silver Swan so I guess her if just one.

Peace.

[Evil Eleanor]

I'm not voting because, while I want to see many of these characters again, the world "return" implies acknowledging their appearances in the Annual.

The Annual should be ignored and Heinberg should be tarred and feathered for what he did with those characters and to his fellow writers.

No appearances for decades, no existence at all post-Crisis, and then he brings these characters all back in the most half-assed way imaginable, acting as if they've been regularly fighting Wonder Woman over the last few decades? No. That's not cool.

He wanted to write a story where she fought a big group of villains, an easy way to make his run seem important (much easier to just throw in a ton of characters than write one or two characters well... and he certainly didn't write any characters well in this mess, with highlights like Batman taking out Cheetah with ease), and he didn't care if it actually made sense, he didn't care how other writers would have to try and pick up his mess, and he certainly didn't care that the vast majority of readers would wonder who the hell these characters were. He just selfishly put them in there and acted like it makes sense for them to be there post-Crisis.

So now where do we stand? Any writers that want to use these characters from now on are faced with a dilemma. "Do I acknowledge that story, and cheat readers out of a proper introduction for these characters, post-Crisis? Or do I ignore it, give these characters a good introduction, but risk confusing people when I write these characters meeting Wonder Woman for a first time?"

His legacy on the book is an utter mess. He should be ashamed.

[theblock]

I voted for Osira since she hasn't appeared since the old 70s version I believe :confused: but Gail could do a lot of fun in re-imagining her like she did with Catman in Secret Six.

Also, did Silver Swan die along some other in the end of Salvation Run?

[Nyssane]

I voted for Osira since she hasn't appeared since the old 70s version I believe :confused: but Gail could do a lot of fun in re-imagining her like she did with Catman in Secret Six.

Also, did Silver Swan die along some other in the end of Salvation Run?

I'm pretty sure she survived, since she was only seen in like two issues briefly. She was presumably one of the ones that made it home safely. :smile:

[pryde15]

I voted for Angle Man, but I would like to see Silver Swan back again.

[shanejayell]

THe Mask rather inrigues me, since she would play off WW's whole 'protecting women' angle. If she was handled well she's make for interesting moral issues.

[BnL]

Gundra and Clea.

[4PointOh]

Astarte

I'd vote for the Empress of the Silver Snake.

Though, she couldn't be Diana's aunt this time.

Or could she?

:eek:

[AdamYJ]

Any of them would be nice.

I like the Jiminez-era Angle Man a lot, but I don't think that was him in the Annual. The guy Jiminez wrote doesn't seem the type to switch over to a traditional supervillian costume.

[Constantine Drakon]

I abstain from voting on the grounds that the question implies treating their appearances in that wretched Annual as "canon". When/if these characters show up, it should be their first encounter with Wonder Woman (except for Angle Man and Queen Clea).

I'd love to see any and all of these characters reimagined and introduced post-Crisis. But throwing them in there as if they'd always been there was the worst moment of storytelling the book had ever seen up to that point, and should be ignored on the basis that it screws us out of the chance to see these characters done properly.

And I'm happy to say that we've already started to see that awful comic get the treatment it deserves.

Kung appeared in a JSA storyline recently, completely ignoring what Heinberg did with him.

[DeltaBadhand]

I want Eviless re-invented, too! Blue Snowman and possibly Hypnota should come back, also.



Me too! :frown: Though I always loved that the Duke was a lesser God and a servant of Ares, rather than a human. I also loved that he had the whole "Mastermind Complex" and made himself into a hot guy rather than showing his true self, the ugly little gnome-like creature he was.

What are some good stories with Osira and Kung? I have admittedly never read anything with them!
I am excited to see Osira in the lead (36% at 10pm on 9/6.) She's the only one I voted for.

@Nyssane: I am pretty sure that prior to the most recent reboot she only appeared in one 2-issue arc way back pre-crisis. I thought I was the only one who liked the character (and her means of transportation --a floating transparent triangle) and who the issues had such an impact on. Since the reboot she's appeared in a panel here and there, but not had a lot to do.

I am hoping Gail finds a use for her sometime soon. I think it would be way cool.

[scary harpy]

I wanna see all o' them back just to get to know their modern takes. I'm not familiar w/ anyone on that list. The closest would be Silver Swan so I guess her if just one.

Peace.

I agree. All. Any. Soon!

[Deus ex Chris]

I voted for Osira, Gundra, and Clea. I'm all for Wonder Woman's book being one where religion and mythology clash with contemporary times. The straight-up superhero stuff doesn't work as well for me.

[Flying Saucers Over Oz]

Well, in all fairness, Clea, The Angle Man, and The Silver Swan were already in continuity, so they arguably shouldn't count.

Kung, as noted, recently appeared in a JSA story as a vengeful spirit, having died, we're told, in World War Two. In my opinion, that's the best time for him; without the business of him being an embittered Niesi idolizing his heritage and striking back against the homeland he felt betrayed him, he's rather dull.

Gundra, or Gudra, I believe is still in continuity as an adversary of The Young All-Stars. Problem with her is pretty much the same as with Osira: Gail being Gail, she'd have to do a TON of research.

The rest, I'd kinda prefer Gail reinvent on her own terms rather than stick with the 'Old villain we've never seen before now' thing Heinberg stuck her with. That's so Electra-Woman and Dyna-Girl.

But we'll see what happens...

[OBrianTallent]

While I wouldn't be adverse to any of them showing up (provided it's a good story) I picked four: Gudra, Kung, Osira & the Mask.
These four have crazy potential to me. Gudra is obvious being a Valkyrie, she's the Norse version of Diana. I dont necessarily see her as a villain as much as someone whose sensibilities are just slightly askew of Diana's. Same goes for the Mask (although they might have to change her name some as I think "The Mask" is somewhat taken elsewhere.) Mask might be more villainy though. She could be quite fun for someone like Gail to play with.
I dont know that much about Kung except that he's a shape changer. That could be someone fun to pit Diana against. Osira I only have a vague recollection of, despite that I've got the books she appeared in (need to go check those out) but it would be interesting to see her brought into a modern setting and how she got here.

[Mr. Kent]

Darnit! Before I realized I could vote for several, I only voted for Osira - which is okay, because she's my top pick. But I would have also selected Duke of Deception and The Mask.

[nepenthes]

Who's the guy with the lion on his head?

[Evil Eleanor]

I dont know that much about Kung except that he's a shape changer. That could be someone fun to pit Diana against.

Kung was just used in JSA, used in a big way, used very well, and used in a way that is completely incompatible with his appearance in Heinberg's awful comic.

He also died in it.

[BnL]

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Who's the guy with the lion on his head?

Hercules.

[FeminineMystique]

Silver Swan and Angle Man, definitely. I'd like to see Gail's take on both of them in the WW book

[rhea]

I always saw Osira as an evil Isis and we kind of have one of those now, so if Gail could come up with another backstory for her it would be awesome! I'm still waiting for a credible Bluesnowman, but she isn't from the list. I'd be intersted in the Mask as well.

[OBrianTallent]

Kung was just used in JSA, used in a big way, used very well, and used in a way that is completely incompatible with his appearance in Heinberg's awful comic.

He also died in it.


Oh yeah, I do remember that! OK, well, I am content to leave him at that. No need to dredge him back up then.

[TimmyTony]

The Annual should be ignored and Heinberg should be tarred and feathered for what he did with those characters and to his fellow writers.
No appearances for decades, no existence at all post-Crisis, and then he brings these characters all back in the most half-assed way imaginable, acting as if they've been regularly fighting Wonder Woman over the last few decades? No. That's not cool.

He wanted to write a story where she fought a big group of villains, an easy way to make his run seem important (much easier to just throw in a ton of characters than write one or two characters well... and he certainly didn't write any characters well in this mess, with highlights like Batman taking out Cheetah with ease), and he didn't care if it actually made sense, he didn't care how other writers would have to try and pick up his mess, and he certainly didn't care that the vast majority of readers would wonder who the hell these characters were. He just selfishly put them in there and acted like it makes sense for them to be there post-Crisis.

His legacy on the book is an utter mess. He should be ashamed.

Where's Aegisbearer?

[aegisbearer]

I'm not voting because, while I want to see many of these characters again, the world "return" implies acknowledging their appearances in the Annual.

The Annual should be ignored and Heinberg should be tarred and feathered for what he did with those characters and to his fellow writers.

No appearances for decades, no existence at all post-Crisis, and then he brings these characters all back in the most half-assed way imaginable, acting as if they've been regularly fighting Wonder Woman over the last few decades? No. That's not cool.

He wanted to write a story where she fought a big group of villains, an easy way to make his run seem important (much easier to just throw in a ton of characters than write one or two characters well... and he certainly didn't write any characters well in this mess, with highlights like Batman taking out Cheetah with ease), and he didn't care if it actually made sense, he didn't care how other writers would have to try and pick up his mess, and he certainly didn't care that the vast majority of readers would wonder who the hell these characters were. He just selfishly put them in there and acted like it makes sense for them to be there post-Crisis.

So now where do we stand? Any writers that want to use these characters from now on are faced with a dilemma. "Do I acknowledge that story, and cheat readers out of a proper introduction for these characters, post-Crisis? Or do I ignore it, give these characters a good introduction, but risk confusing people when I write these characters meeting Wonder Woman for a first time?"

His legacy on the book is an utter mess. He should be ashamed.

I certainly respect your right to have an opinion on this, but you're attacking Heinberg for things you really don't know are entirely his doing. I think you can probably express the same ideas without the name-calling, Evil Eleanor. You don't know for certain whether or not he "selfishly put them in there" or not. Ease up a little. Don't misunderstand me: you have a right to your opinion, and we want to know what it is, but avoid making personal attacks, please.

[ljacone]

Minster Blizzard. You could do all sorts of Silver Age-y "freeze the city and hold it ransom" stories with him. And his name is GREAT!

Also, The Mask seems like she would make a great "behind the scenes" foe.

[Nyssane]

I was reading the Camelot Falls arc of Superman, and Minister Blizzard totally does appear, as Kurt Busiek said earlier in the thread.

For one of Wonder Woman's extremely lesser known villains, he certainly gets around (he was also in a Justice League issue teamed up with Captain Cold and Icicle). It makes me sad that he is used over Blue Snowman, but Minnie Blizzard is pretty cool too. :smile:

[Joe Chill]

What no Blue Snowman?! oh well, went with Blizzard but gotta say havin' a name like Duke of Deception kinda makes ya a winner no matter what.

[barrault]

What no Blue Snowman?! oh well, went with Blizzard but gotta say havin' a name like Duke of Deception kinda makes ya a winner no matter what.

Blue Snowman unfortunately recently died in "Power Girl." Aww shucks.

[Free-Man]

Who was the Silver Swan that was in the annual? She didn't look like Nessie.

[vaffrey]

Surprised there's so little love for the Duke of Deception!

I guess I'll have to keep using him as my avatar until folks start feeling the love for Diana's arch-enemy. (He surely has the record for most appearances of all WW villains.)

[CarolStrick]

I only want the Duke back if he's an alien! (Or have I said that already?) Diana needs more alien villains.
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[captainwonder]

I'd like Silver Swan (the original), Angle Man and the Mask!

[Nyssane]

Who was the Silver Swan that was in the annual? She didn't look like Nessie.

It certainly seemed to be Helen Alexandros, the pre-crisis Silver Swan. She wore the headband-type dealio that Helen wore. I must say that I really liked the Silver Swan's costume design in the annual.


Surprised there's so little love for the Duke of Deception!

I guess I'll have to keep using him as my avatar until folks start feeling the love for Diana's arch-enemy. (He surely has the record for most appearances of all WW villains.)

The Duke of Deception is my third favorite WW villain right after Blue Snowman and Cheetah. :biggrin:


I only want the Duke back if he's an alien! (Or have I said that already?) Diana needs more alien villains.
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No thank you!

Deception should be Ares' right hand man. :smile: And despite being her most consistent threat in her Golden Age and Silver Age adventures, the Duke certainly was inconsistent in his character design. I'm not too fond of the alien look or the old man look (though I loved his Golden Age lecherous little man look... he wasn't exactly elderly like in the silver age). I also love his "handsome" look... that version would fit right in with Rucka's Ares... they could be a seductive male duo. It's just nice to see male villains who get by using their wiles and good looks.

[Free-Man]

It certainly seemed to be Helen Alexandros, the pre-crisis Silver Swan. She wore the headband-type dealio that Helen wore. I must say that I really liked the Silver Swan's costume design in the annual.


I'd like if it were Helen, ya know?
I liked the back issues I've read with Val, but she's retired now, and I'm not a fan of the tired "he/she lapes back into supervillainy" plot. And I'd prefer Nessie just get her sh*t together.

So yeah, I'd like Val back. And I agree that Terry Dodson made her look kewl.

[scary harpy]

No thank you!

Deception should be Ares' right hand man. :smile: And despite being her most consistent threat in her Golden Age and Silver Age adventures, the Duke certainly was inconsistent in his character design. ... I also love his "handsome" look... that version would fit right in with Rucka's Ares... they could be a seductive male duo. It's just nice to see male villains who get by using their wiles and good looks.

Don't forget Lord Conquest!

I really like your idea!

I never liked the Duke of Deception before now; your ideas really set the character apart and above Doctor Pyscho!

Deception and Conquest are a diabolic duo with only one goal: to get laid! Sometimes joined by Ares, they use and mistreat women (and some men). 'Incubus' could be a good description.

[CarolStrick]

But without being an alien, the Duke is merely a Psycho wannabe. I'd like Psycho to keep his place in the Wondieverse (which means that all other villains—I'm talking to YOU, Circe!—should keep away from his mind-control illusion schtick) and the Duke becomes a real outer space Duke who likes to double-deal folks and stab his allies in the back.

Then again, maybe I'm following in the heels of all those folks who want a Steve Trevor III or Steve Trevor, second cousin twice removed, or Trevor Barnes in Diana's life, just to keep the name alive. As if names really mean anything. It's the character that counts.

I likes mah villins (and others) youneek.

[Mr Prince]

I gotta have some Gudra, The Mask, Angle Man and Dr. Cyber. Osira, a new Kung and Eviless could be good, given some attention. There's potential with Zara and the Cult of the Crimson Flame, given a writer's time, attention and creativity.

I really think Hercules needs to make a comeback too, but there would have to be a ton of work done on him to make him a villain again and reconcile the guy we've seen recently to the one left us in Perez' run.

There's plenty of potential in redeveloping Wonder foes, given creator interest. I'm glad Astarte is back in the mix.

S

[Child_Of_Troy]

I've always wanted to see Valerie Beaudry come back as an ally to Wonder Woman.

But, I'm all for Helen Alexandros as a villainous Silver Swan.

[barrault]

I've always wanted to see Valerie Beaudry come back as an ally to Wonder Woman.

But, I'm all for Helen Alexandros as a villainous Silver Swan.

Ditto. If we can have (well, at least, had) two Doctors Light running around on different sides of the fence, two Silver Swans doing the same would be great. Throw in a third (Nessie) as wild card, and I think it has tons of potential story.

[captainwonder]

Ditto. If we can have (well, at least, had) two Doctors Light running around on different sides of the fence, two Silver Swans doing the same would be great. Throw in a third (Nessie) as wild card, and I think it has tons of potential story.

We could have a trio of terror. A swarm of swans! but still the original to me has the best back story and I love the fact that Ares is pulling her strings. I hope she returns one day soon with Ares as her master!

[barrault]

We could have a trio of terror. A swarm of swans! but still the original to me has the best back story and I love the fact that Ares is pulling her strings. I hope she returns one day soon with Ares as her master!

I like Helena, but I like Val more precisely because of Val's back story. :smile: If Helena makes a real comeback, I'd rather remove the Ares connection. Mainly because I love Ares, but there's too much myth-related baddies already, and while I love myth and it's what brought me into WW in the first place, I'd like Diana to have some mundane, sci-fi, and other non-myth villains. We have too many Ares and Circe minions/extensions running around as it is. I'd like a Silver Swan that's free of them.

Trio of terror hehe but I'd like Val in an ally role, or at least anti-hero role (have her join the Suicide Squad again), while Helena is the out-and-out villain.

[LightningRider]

I hated Angle in the Annual, downright cheesy.

I prefer him in a suit doing whatever he wants, whether it be good or bad, not Catwoman's, but like the Catwoman herself, thief or hero.

Silver Swan, better be Helena, because Val would just be sad. Liked her outfit in Annual, keep it.

Minister Blizzard should be named Sinister Blizzard, be shirtless and wearing only tight pants, the cape, boots, crown thingie and gold striped gauntlets. Keep the stache. At least, in my mind, that's the perfect version. Kinda Cheescake but Villain. :biggrin:

Doctor Poison, haven't seen her or Cyber. They're very good, keep them. Though, I say change DP's costume to something more like Post Crisis Villainy Inc. Cyber has a very good design already.