The Spell and the Spin...what up?

[RealWonderman]

In the Birds of Paradise arc, there has been some speculation about whether Circe's spell is still in effect or not...(the spell that makes Diana Prince human until she spins into Wonder Woman) here's my take: she WAS Wonder Woman and just changed her clothes with Dinah...she never "turned back into" Diana Prince, so basically she just changed her clothes...which leads me to think there may be more to the spin and the spell than just a wardrobe change. I myself could go wither way at this point. If there had been more than one story about Diana Prince having to use her skills and then sneak change to Wonder Woman (Captain Nazi...AWESOME), I could have really gotten into that. Or if we were seeing more of Diana Prince period, it would still have some legs (which would be cool if it's coming) But since that hasn't really happened, who needs it? If we're not gonna see DP have to use her Amazon Training, then no need for the cover-up or the spell...But if the spell is gone, I STILL WANT THE SPIN to change to WW!!!!

[Dream Boy]

I'm very pro-spin myself too. lol

[West Mantooth]

What was actually stopping her from staying in "power form" and just wearing civies over her costume?

[Free-Man]

Frankly,I never understood how exactly the Wonder-spin works. Is it like the problems with the Shazam spell where she is unable to transform is bound?

I like the idea that she can just mentally change into the "power form" by thinking about it instead.

[Kurt Busiek]

I liked it when she used to spin the lasso and step through the ring of it, and change that way.

The spin worked well on TV, where they have motion, but I liked the graphics of the "stepping through the lasso" bit, and thought it worked well for comics.

kdb

[aegisbearer]

I liked it when she used to spin the lasso and step through the ring of it, and change that way.

The spin worked well on TV, where they have motion, but I liked the graphics of the "stepping through the lasso" bit, and thought it worked well for comics.

kdb

Kurt, that was my favorite way for her to change, too. The image was just different from the spin, but I think the spin worked very well on television.

[meek?]

I'm pro-spin. Anything that can be kept today that Lynda Carter did is cool.

Peace.

[Free-Man]

I'm pro-spin. Anything that can be kept today that Lynda Carter did is cool.

Peace.

I certainly think it's a cool little reference to Lynda, but my problem is that so far, it hasn't proven to be anything other than a nostalgiac little easter egg. It doesn't really serve a purpose, as opposed to the Shazam spell or Zatanna's vocal weakness, both of which are used as frequent plot points.

[4PointOh]

I love the wonder-spin. I always thought it worked as a spell; like an Amazon glamour.

[RealWonderman]

I love the wonder-spin. I always thought it worked as a spell; like an Amazon glamour.

I always felt that way too...it's not just the glasses and pony tail that keep people from recognizing her...it's magic...it should be used!!!! And as far as drawing it...it's simple...3 panels...beginning...DP starts the spin and the magical stars appear, then the flash of light in the second, and the third is Wonder Woman with the magic stars...I don't need to see it every issue, just once in a while so I know it exists...it's just how Diana Prince becomes Wonder Woman...EVERYBODY knows that!!!! :tongue:

[Mart]

Hate the spin, the twirl is just so little-girlie. I'm with the lasso steppers, that works great on the page and is a nice addition to the rope's array of abilities.

[4PointOh]

I always felt that way too...it's not just the glasses and pony tail that keep people from recognizing her...it's magic...it should be used!!!! And as far as drawing it...it's simple...3 panels...beginning...DP starts the spin and the magical stars appear, then the flash of light in the second, and the third is Wonder Woman with the magic stars...I don't need to see it every issue, just once in a while so I know it exists...it's just how Diana Prince becomes Wonder Woman...EVERYBODY knows that!!!! :tongue:

It's also awesome when it happens off-panel:

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/55/l_f5c90451e9d54bfd83cee6dc2cc635e9.jpg

[DeltaBadhand]

I am pro spin --check my avatar.

But help me out folks with better memories that mine. I swear the TV show used the lasso method at least a few times -maybe in the last season? Is my mind really making up the vision of Lynda Carter lowering it in a cheesy special effect?

[MinaRho1]

I love the wonder-spin. I always thought it worked as a spell; like an Amazon glamour.

Get out of my head!

[aegisbearer]

It's also awesome when it happens off-panel:

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/55/l_f5c90451e9d54bfd83cee6dc2cc635e9.jpg

This is one of my favorite pictures from Gail's run. That blackness with the tiara and bracelets. Wow.

[AndyMangels]

Deltabadhand -

The TV series never did the lasso spin transformation. Once they had the Wonder Spin down (and it took several episodes to get it perfected), they kept it.

Trivia question: what's the one non-WW TV show in which Lynda did the Wonder Spin into costume? Bonus if you can link to the YouTube video. I'm sure someone has it up...

[4PointOh]

Get out of my head!

I absolutely refuse. It's warm and comfy here. Plus, I really like the sweet potato fries.

:biggrin:

[DanCMH]

Introducing the spin into the comic books was something I absolutely hated when Phil made it happen during his run. Since then it's kind of grown on me. I'd just like to see Diana use it to change her style of costume as the need arises. For instance, a spin during a fight to suit up with the Perez battle armor look in tougher fights. I dont think we need any Wonder Wetsuits or anything but...

[troy2g1]

I love the wonder-spin. I always thought it worked as a spell; like an Amazon glamour.

I always figured it should be related to the gift from Proteus that Diana received during the WML run.

It would allow her to change clothes, appearance, etc.

I always thought it should have been linked to Diana disguising herself as Miss America in Phil's run.

[RealWonderman]

Deltabadhand -

The TV series never did the lasso spin transformation. Once they had the Wonder Spin down (and it took several episodes to get it perfected), they kept it.

Trivia question: what's the one non-WW TV show in which Lynda did the Wonder Spin into costume? Bonus if you can link to the YouTube video. I'm sure someone has it up...

Can't name that one...but I think I can almost 1 up you here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAe3WJbDRO4

[Tiberious]

For me the spin should be a glamor that hides her real identity NOT empower/depower her.

I love the spin and Diana Prince and hope they return to the book very soon....

[troy2g1]

For me the spin should be a glamor that hides her real identity NOT empower/depower her.

I love the spin and Diana Prince and hope they return to the book very soon....

I **HATE** the depower!! I really don't know what the obsession is with some writers and wanting to take power away from Wonder Woman.

Having said that, I love the magic effect that goes along with the spin and I think using it as a glamor (or as I posted earlier, a relation to Proteus' gift) works.

[americanwonder]

With all due respect to the spin-goers in the crowd...

The spin is total camp (imo) - quality camp, but camp nonetheless.

I much prefer my WW to be spin-free, spell-free, and secret *cough*fraud*cough* ID free. But, that's just me.

[kid_mash]

Im 100% pro spin (also pro Wonder Wetsuit and even pro Kanga!:biggrin: ). Yes it's camp but camp is part of Wonder Woman's history and appeal. Dont wring the world dry of a bit of glitter.

[RealWonderman]

For me the spin should be a glamor that hides her real identity NOT empower/depower her.

I love the spin and Diana Prince and hope they return to the book very soon....

This is the best idea I've heard!

[RealWonderman]

With all due respect to the spin-goers in the crowd...

The spin is total camp (imo) - quality camp, but camp nonetheless.

I much prefer my WW to be spin-free, spell-free, and secret *cough*fraud*cough* ID free. But, that's just me.

Well, it's no different than Clark ripping his shirt open, or Bruce heading down the Bat Pole...it's just the way it is...Diana spins!

[Tiberious]

Maybe the Ryans (Wonderman_RK and SonOfDiana) can get some "Diana Prince" love out of Gail Simone yet!!!

The ID is needed on so many levels its not even funny.

[RealWonderman]

Maybe the Ryans (Wonderman_RK and SonOfDiana) can get some "Diana Prince" love out of Gail Simone yet!!!

The ID is needed on so many levels its not even funny.

I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOO with you on that!

[nightforce]

I always felt that way too...it's not just the glasses and pony tail that keep people from recognizing her...it's magic...it should be used!!!! And as far as drawing it...it's simple...3 panels...beginning...DP starts the spin and the magical stars appear, then the flash of light in the second, and the third is Wonder Woman with the magic stars...I don't need to see it every issue, just once in a while so I know it exists...it's just how Diana Prince becomes Wonder Woman...EVERYBODY knows that!!!! :tongue:

Agreed. I think that her Secret Id actually works better than say Clark's. He is not Supernaturally created where Wonder Woman is.

The spin is cool

[nightforce]

Maybe the Ryans (Wonderman_RK and SonOfDiana) can get some "Diana Prince" love out of Gail Simone yet!!!

The ID is needed on so many levels its not even funny.

Agreeing with you on so many levels!!

Add me to the mix

[Schornforce]

Deltabadhand -

The TV series never did the lasso spin transformation. Once they had the Wonder Spin down (and it took several episodes to get it perfected), they kept it.

Trivia question: what's the one non-WW TV show in which Lynda did the Wonder Spin into costume? Bonus if you can link to the YouTube video. I'm sure someone has it up...


Can't name that one...but I think I can almost 1 up you here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAe3WJbDRO4

Love that Wonder Pig!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Schornforce/Wonder.jpg

I could've sworn Lynda changed costume for the Muppet Show for one of her numbers by doing the spin trick (although, not to Wonder Woman-- just whatever costume was needed for the number), but it's been years since I saw that episode, so I could be quite wrong.

[nightforce]

Well, it's no different than Clark ripping his shirt open, or Bruce heading down the Bat Pole...it's just the way it is...Diana spins!

Exactly. It seems like they kept that as a nod to the Christopher Reeve original movie in cartoons, the "ripping the shirt open to reveal his S on his chest" and no one complains about that being too nostalgic and seving no purpose

[Wonder Watcher]

What was actually stopping her from staying in "power form" and just wearing civies over her costume?Absolutely nothing, which is probably what she did in the Birds of Paradise arc.

She could even do the reverse, be depowered in her WW costume although there wouldn't be many reasons to, other than making a point to someone.

I think there's mileage storywise in having Diana Prince as a depowered version, which is the only reason I'm in favour of keeping it because otherwise, let's face it, it is extremely foolish and dangerous for Diana if someone in the villain community learns of her secret ID.

The spin is pretty camp but Terry Dodson made it actually look quite cool.

[AaronJ]

What was actually stopping her from staying in "power form" and just wearing civies over her costume?

This never made any sense to me, either.

I mean, she has Super-Speed, for crying out loud! She could change, and it would look instantaneous to anyone around, anyhow.

Just don't spin!

[MinaRho1]

This never made any sense to me, either.

I mean, she has Super-Speed, for crying out loud! She could change, and it would look instantaneous to anyone around, anyhow.

Just don't spin!

I know, what the hell? She's so fast she can see bullets in flight and move before them.

I suppose the clothes would tear if she changed extra fast? Other than that, I got nothin'.

Futile to try to apply logic to magic, but I still went for it.

[JKCarrier]

Agreed. I think that her Secret Id actually works better than say Clark's.

I don't know about that. Superman is a bit neurotic, and needs the validation that comes with people accepting him as a "normal guy". I don't think Diana would have the same hang-up.

[AaronJ]

I don't know about that. Superman is a bit neurotic, and needs the validation that comes with people accepting him as a "normal guy". I don't think Diana would have the same hang-up.

Superman also, unlike Diana, has lived all but the tiniest portion of his life on Earth, among humans, with human families, doing human things like going to school, working on a farm, being a reporter, etc.

As opposed to Diana, or his cousin, for that matter.

Diana, while being "from Earth" should be far more alien than Kal, honestly. And given the way that Gail writes her dialogue (which I love, btw, so this isn't a criticism) I find it hard to imagine that she could "integrate" very well, clothes-change, or no.

[Tiberious]

Which is why it makes more sense for the spin to be an illusion that keeps people from connecting Wonder Woman to Diana Prince.

Wonder Woman isn't bound by truth. She was the goddess of it. Hence she should be able to bend it to her will.

Diana Prince allows Diana to live a life in a foreign country without the trappings of Wonder Woman. Should Wonder Woman still be seen publicly doing charity work? Yes. Should Wonder Woman be seen going out on a date? No. Wonder Woman is the ideal as much as Batman is. Just as he induces fear she should inspire hope. Seeing Wonder Woman doing everyday mundane things would lessen the impact. She should be the flawless representative of hope for the world to strive up to.

Diana Prince however allows her to date, spend time with friends, and connect without the costume. Yes Perez had Wonder Woman interracting with people but they always saw her first and foremost as Wonder Woman. Everyone knows that Princess Diana is WW so that isn't an option.

I always imagine an ID-less Diana having lunch after shopping with Donna Troy when a random lady walks up. She says "Aren't you Wonder Woman?" Diana replies "Why yes I am." The lady attempts to slap Diana who blocks the blow. The lady then informs her that while she was having lunch with her friend and shopping her son was killed in a drive by shooting. Even though Diana didn't know, the woman blames her for not protecting people 24/7. Diana Prince avoids all that.

Have Diana P and Etta shopping. Let DP catch the gun slowly coming out the window out of the corner of her eye; a flash of light and BAM! Wonder Woman has appeared, bounced the bullet off her bracelet, and saved the boy. She stops the shooter and takes him to the authorities. The woman screams "Wonder Woman just appeared and saved my son!" Moments later DP picks her bags up off the floor, looks and Etta and says "Ready for lunch?"

Thats just my opinion. :-)

[AaronJ]

Well, I'm not going to get into this deeply again. But I will lay out a few of the basic points of why it doesn't make any sense for Diana to have a False ID:

-- First, anything she can do walking around with Etta at the mall, pretending to be someone she's not, she can do just being Princess Diana, dressed like a regular woman. If Megan Fox or Maria Sharapova can survive the paparazzi, so can Di.

-- Second, it's ridiculous, IMO, this whole "random woman tries to slap her" scenario. It doesn't make any sense to me, at all. If we're assuming that people are familiar with Wonder Woman enough that they would get mad, it's pretty easy to assume they are familiar enough with her not to walk up to her and try to hit her. I mean, that's just stupid.

-- Finally, and foremost in why it all seems wrong to me, is that it is, at its heart, utterly and completely dishonest. There is no Diana Prince. She doesn't exist. She never grew up in Sacramento or Tallahassee or Chicago, or wherever her completely fake, totally fictional personal history has her being from.

If she got into a "normal" conversation with a "normal" person (the whole point behind this thing, apparantely), nearly every word out of her mouth would be a lie.

Every time she discussed her life with these strangers she is supposed to be connecting? Lies. Every time she goes to one of these foreign countries? Lies. Signs into a hotel? Lies. Pays an electric bill? Lies. Cashes a pay check or fills out a W2? Lies. Lies. Lies. Lies. Lies.

Almost her entire life would be nothing but lies.

"My name is Diana," is about the only thing she could say and not be lying.



How, in Hera's name, is that a good idea, on ANY level?

[MinaRho1]

Wonder Woman isn't bound by truth. She was the goddess of it. Hence she should be able to bend it to her will.

something about that strikes me as.... the spirit of meanness... I don't see Diana that way.

[Raven Of Rhiannon]

Pro-Spin!!

As for it not translating into comics, well, just look at the ways that PJ used it in his run! I think it works great!

[Tiberious]

Aaron! How've ya been! We haven't talked in awhile. I'm glad you're posting here. :-)

-- If Megan Fox or Maria Sharapova can survive the paparazzi, so can Di.

I'm glad you brought up celebrities because if meta humans were to exist in our world they would be celebrities with expectations and responsibilities. If Megan Fox wants to be seen, she dresses the part. (Diana in battle gear.) If she does not then like countless others she wears sunglasses, a hoodie, a hat, baggy clothes and anything else she can to NOT be seen. (Diana Prince). Imagine having the world hound you at every level about not only who you're wearing and what you had for breakfast but also what you plan on doing in the Middle East and the bank robber you failed to stop last night. You would need solace from that and a quick fly away is going to look bad for your rep after awhile.

-- Second, it's ridiculous, IMO, this whole "random woman tries to slap her" scenario. It doesn't make any sense to me, at all. If we're assuming that people are familiar with Wonder Woman enough that they would get mad, it's pretty easy to assume they are familiar enough with her not to walk up to her and try to hit her. I mean, that's just stupid.

Well I'm not a professional writer and that's the best I could come up with. :-)

-- Finally, and foremost in why it all seems wrong to me, is that it is, at its heart, utterly and completely dishonest. There is no Diana Prince. She doesn't exist. She never grew up in Sacramento or Tallahassee or Chicago, or wherever her completely fake, totally fictional personal history has her being from.

If she got into a "normal" conversation with a "normal" person (the whole point behind this thing, apparantely), nearly every word out of her mouth would be a lie.

Every time she discussed her life with these strangers she is supposed to be connecting? Lies. Every time she goes to one of these foreign countries? Lies. Signs into a hotel? Lies. Pays an electric bill? Lies. Cashes a pay check or fills out a W2? Lies. Lies. Lies. Lies. Lies.

Almost her entire life would be nothing but lies.

"My name is Diana," is about the only thing she could say and not be lying.

I completely agree with you here. Unfortunately when TPTB had the opportunity to undo some mistakes of the past with the relaunch they dropped the ball. How wonderful would it have been to unlink Princess Diana from Wonder Woman. She could have come to America to help and set herself up as a Professor, which I would have loved. Then Princess Diana could have been her private ID and Wonder Woman could have been her Meta Tag. She could have had a separate life. Unfortunately that is the situation we were given.

I also don't agree that every word out of her life would have to be a lie. "My name is Diana. I just moved to this area to get a fresh start. I had some problems back home and I'm looking to start over." None of that is a lie.

I understand your side and why you disapprove. IF we were getting a well balanced Diana I could possibly be persuaded that my desires are a want and not a need but currently I don't see that. We again have a woman who is 24/7 in costume so to speak. She's a terrible friend. She is awkward in a relationship. She's broody and disconnected. She lives for the next fight.

Again you know we'll never see eye to eye on this but its nice to continue the discussion!

--Ryan

[Ravencraft75]

Pro-spin! pro-spin!

I always thought it was a magical way to cloak her true identity. Phil made it work...and it always looked cool.

Love the spin.

[americanwonder]

I'm so happy to see Diana_fan around (hi d_f), because he just cuts to the chase - and, it doesn't hurt that our views on the subject are quite similar. :smile:

Now, I should warn the rest of the gang that the whole secret(fraud) ID thing is a hot-button issue for me as I believe that truth is very important; so, I've been known to give it a good rant - but, I mean no offense to those who disagree, even when it doesn't come out that way. So, with all due respect ...


Wonder Woman isn't bound by truth. She was the goddess of it. Hence she should be able to bend it to her will.

I believe that's what we call deception - hmm, doesn't that sound a bit like Ares?

I like to think that Diana didn't grow up with very many opportunities to be deceptive (3,000 mothers looking over you will do that). I also don't think her goddesses would have granted her that type of "gift." Moreover, I like to believe that she who wields the lasso can't afford to be the type to deceive (see A League of One).

She was created to combat Ares, and those that follow his path. Look how much conflict in this world is fueled by misinformation, distortions, deceipt and lies. Truth has the power to cut through that and bring us all closer together. But, you can't have the becon of truth tell lies whenever it suits her.


Wonder Woman is the ideal as much as Batman is. Just as he induces fear she should inspire hope. Seeing Wonder Woman doing everyday mundane things would lessen the impact. She should be the flawless representative of hope for the world to strive up to.

I disagree - WW should be a real ideal - flaws and all - not an imagined photoshoped deception. For starters, people connect much more to grounded heroes, not those so far removed we don't know anything real about them - it's one reason the President of the US has gone on talk shows from time to time. And, how can she truly inspire people to be their own best self when she can't connect with them because she's hiding who she is?


Everyone knows that Princess Diana is WW so that isn't an option.

Again, I disagree - in Countdown to Final Crisis, Blue Beattle states that everyone loves WW. I like to think that's because of how she treats them - she knows the worst about them and loves them anyway. She's warm, friendly and personal with those around her, giving them permission to not feel threatened or that she's unapproachable. I've been lucky enough to know some very remarkable people, and they can be the very best of friends who make it easy to get past the public image. That is Diana to me.


I always imagine an ID-less Diana having lunch after shopping with Donna Troy when a random lady walks up. She says "Aren't you Wonder Woman?" Diana replies "Why yes I am." The lady attempts to slap Diana who blocks the blow.

I like this example, but in a very different way than you imagined, I think. Diana wouldn't block the lady slapping her (imo). Furthermore, I think Diana should be aware of these types of situations and not hide from them. No, she can't be everywhere there is trouble. And, yes, she would need some down time to recharge herself. However, she shouldn't remove herself from the reality that people die when she's not vigilant - she should embrace the truth of it.


Have Diana P and Etta shopping. Let DP catch the gun slowly coming out the window out of the corner of her eye; a flash of light and BAM!

Personal preference here, but I'm not a big fan of the whole "oh no, how do I help without revealing my secret ID?" It's overplayed in way too many comics with way too many characters reinacting the same basic idea over an over.

But, that's just me.

[americanwonder]

On a more positive note, I will say that the number 1 thing I absolutely love about the Wonder-spin is that kids love that type of stuff. The thought of little kids spinning around to become WW warms even my dark and cold heart. :smile:

But, I don't have any kids so I don't care much about that. :wink: :tongue:

[AaronJ]

Aaron! How've ya been! We haven't talked in awhile. I'm glad you're posting here. :-)

Hey, Ryan. Good to see you, too.


-- If Megan Fox or Maria Sharapova can survive the paparazzi, so can Di.

I'm glad you brought up celebrities because if meta humans were to exist in our world they would be celebrities with expectations and responsibilities. If Megan Fox wants to be seen, she dresses the part. (Diana in battle gear.) If she does not then like countless others she wears sunglasses, a hoodie, a hat, baggy clothes and anything else she can to NOT be seen. (Diana Prince). Imagine having the world hound you at every level about not only who you're wearing and what you had for breakfast but also what you plan on doing in the Middle East and the bank robber you failed to stop last night. You would need solace from that and a quick fly away is going to look bad for your rep after awhile.

I dunno. I think it depends on where one is, first. Someone like Megan Fox can go around LA on her daily business, get a coffee, whatever. Sure, people keep taking her picture. But it's not like she can't function.

Well, I wouldn't want the world hounding me, anyways. But, for example, Congressmen and Senators go to restaurants and places in DC (or their hometowns), and while I'm sure there's the occasional person harassing them, they can generally go get some lunch at the diner.


-- Second, it's ridiculous, IMO, this whole "random woman tries to slap her" scenario. It doesn't make any sense to me, at all. If we're assuming that people are familiar with Wonder Woman enough that they would get mad, it's pretty easy to assume they are familiar enough with her not to walk up to her and try to hit her. I mean, that's just stupid.

Well I'm not a professional writer and that's the best I could come up with. :-)

Well, I meant that what the woman did was stupid. :) No offense meant.

But this brings up another interesting question, as far as an often-quoted idea about why secret (false)-ids are so important: "But if everyone knew that Lois Lane was Superman's wife, they would go after her and kill her!"

That never made sense to me. If I were a villain, the LAST person I would want to piss off would be Superman. Hell, if everyone knew Lois were married to Superman, she could probably walk through the worst part of town, alone, at 3am and not have even one person even look at her wrong.

But I realize that it's a convention and a conceit of the super-hero genre.


-- Finally, and foremost in why it all seems wrong to me, is that it is, at its heart, utterly and completely dishonest. There is no Diana Prince. She doesn't exist. She never grew up in Sacramento or Tallahassee or Chicago, or wherever her completely fake, totally fictional personal history has her being from.

If she got into a "normal" conversation with a "normal" person (the whole point behind this thing, apparantely), nearly every word out of her mouth would be a lie.

Every time she discussed her life with these strangers she is supposed to be connecting? Lies. Every time she goes to one of these foreign countries? Lies. Signs into a hotel? Lies. Pays an electric bill? Lies. Cashes a pay check or fills out a W2? Lies. Lies. Lies. Lies. Lies.

Almost her entire life would be nothing but lies.

"My name is Diana," is about the only thing she could say and not be lying.


I completely agree with you here. Unfortunately when TPTB had the opportunity to undo some mistakes of the past with the relaunch they dropped the ball. How wonderful would it have been to unlink Princess Diana from Wonder Woman. She could have come to America to help and set herself up as a Professor, which I would have loved. Then Princess Diana could have been her private ID and Wonder Woman could have been her Meta Tag. She could have had a separate life. Unfortunately that is the situation we were given.

Ain't that the truth!

I thought Rucka had a perfect balance, where Diana was able to have a life separate from being Wonder Woman, and also a supporting cast that were (for the most part) "civilians." Sometimes, she was Wonder Woman, and sometimes she was Princess Diana, Ambassador from Themyscira.


I also don't agree that every word out of her life would have to be a lie. "My name is Diana. I just moved to this area to get a fresh start. I had some problems back home and I'm looking to start over." None of that is a lie.

OK, fair enough. But that's not going to be much of a conversation, after that. :)


I understand your side and why you disapprove. IF we were getting a well balanced Diana I could possibly be persuaded that my desires are a want and not a need but currently I don't see that. We again have a woman who is 24/7 in costume so to speak. She's a terrible friend. She is awkward in a relationship. She's broody and disconnected. She lives for the next fight.

Again, though -- while I might generally agree with this -- I don't think that a False Identity is the ONLY answer to these problems. They aren't mutually exclusive.


Again you know we'll never see eye to eye on this but its nice to continue the discussion!

--Ryan

Agreed.

[hobomystical]

i'm okay with the spin as long as it doesn't unpower diana and as long as she doesn't get a secret identity out of it. i can understand having a temporary disguise, but she doesn't need a secret identity.

the spin should be used as has already been mentioned: as a means of changing her clothes/armour or as a means of glamouring. only the people she wants to know who she is should be able to recognize her as 'diana prince'. that also means that, should she will it, those that know her as 'diana prince' can forget if she decides it. (if she's hanging out with dinah and doesn't want her to know that she's wonder woman, then dinah should have no awareness of the fact that diana prince is wonder woman, even if she knew it before. imagine the cool stories that could come out of something like that!) the spin should be used to disguise wonder woman, not the other way around. when she's 'wonder woman' she's in her regular, standard identity. 'diana prince' should do nothing more than serve as a support for wonder woman should she need it. it should not be her regular life and it most certainly shouldn't be a secret identity.

this will also allow diana to hang out with her friends as much as she wants and not put them in danger because only those she wants to know she's in disguise will know because of the glamour. she can pal around with etta all she wants and all people will see are two women hanging out, not wonder woman and a potential victim.

(and editors and writers should try something more original on occasion than having diana's friends attacked because her identity is known. furthermore, another story potential: one of diana's friends could get kidnapped and this friend knows that diana prince is wonder woman - but if diana doesn't want that person to remember, then *poof!*, the glamour removes that knowledge! diana doesn't need to fear having her disguised revealed!)

[Stanlos]

Kurt, that was my favorite way for her to change, too. The image was just different from the spin, but I think the spin worked very well on television.

You know, when She-Ra was on, every time I saw her glorious transformation sequence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoPs8RUBG5o&NR=1)I always thought of the Wonder Woman lasso spin change from the books.

Back then, such a thing would have been quite costly if it could be done at all. But today, a lasso spin change could be easily FX'd.

[dnatroy_aka_darman]

I don't mind the spin, I just don't care for her being only human/depowered in her Diana Prince disguise

[Franklin]

I'm all for the lasso transformation - after all, she's moving in a direction when she does it, not rooted in one place getting dizzy.:smile:

And as a kid, I used to imagine tossing the lasso out in front of me and transforming when I was...going to the store! Heading to school! Running to my bike! All over the place, really.

However, the transformation was dependent on Amazonian science, which has long since hit the bricks. Not that it couldn't be re-purposed and given a mystical background...