Is it time for a big hitter to die for real?

[witness]

With all the resurrections over the years (including bringing Captain America back again) is it time for an X-men/Marvel major league character to die (like Batman in DC) for real?

[soul_eater]

With all the resurrections over the years (including bringing Captain America back again) is it time for an X-men/Marvel major league character to die (like Batman in DC) for real?
I don't see why, killing characters just for killing them, give shock effect or to prove that everything could happen in this bock often (almost every time) come out as cheap story-telling (Thunderbirds death was the exception).

Just look at Ultimatum and how horrible it was.

[Azure]

1. I'm fairly sure Batman isn't dead.
2. What are you trying to say about Darkstar??

[crimsondiablo]

With all the resurrections over the years (including bringing Captain America back again) is it time for an X-men/Marvel major league character to die (like Batman in DC) for real?

Dead like Batman where they clearly show him stuck back in prehistoric times hoping someone will find him? Yea I think its time Marvel "killed" a character and let the fans know the same issue he isnt really dead.

[worstblogever]

Tony Robb, the mutant baseball player about to set the home run record, was wounded, not killed, in X-Factor (vol. 2) #4. Feasibly, his attempted assassin could try and finsih the job.

That would take out a big hitter, all right.

[rwsmith]

I think Colossus probably could've stayed dead. Warpath could've easily been promoted to "resident team powerhouse" to fill the void. I like Colossus, but he had a good death IMO and there was really little reason to bring him back other than Whedon just wanted to.

As it stands now, though, I just don't see the point of killing off anyone major.

[Pro]

As it stands now, though, I just don't see the point of killing off anyone major.

Cyclops, Emma, Cable, Bishop, Hope. Especially Hope.

[peopleofpaper]

I'm glad Colossus came back, Betsy came back, and Jean (hopefully) will come back, but Marvel deaths are pretty pointless if they are A-List characters because you can't take them seriously. They'll always come back!

[Valeria Kementari]

I'm glad Colossus came back, Betsy came back, and Jean (hopefully) will come back, but Marvel deaths are pretty pointless if they are A-List characters because you can't take them seriously. They'll always come back!

Permanent deaths don't exist. There are plans to bring Uncle Ben back just like they brought Bucky back... as long as there is a story that can make money, they will keep bringing them back. However there are a few X-Men that could die and remain dead... if only...

[Cayman]

No, both DC and Marvel need to get away from death-based events.

[Azure]

This thread has revived my dream of a Risque/Rusty/Elaine Grey ongoing series.

[Whim]

No, less pointless deaths means less pointless resurrections. There is already too much killing in comics lately, focus on characters and character relations and not just killing to kill or for shock value.

[NewMutant]

I think Colossus probably could've stayed dead. Warpath could've easily been promoted to "resident team powerhouse" to fill the void. I like Colossus, but he had a good death IMO and there was really little reason to bring him back other than Whedon just wanted to.

As it stands now, though, I just don't see the point of killing off anyone major.

Colossus and Psylocke both should have stayed dead. They both had a long enough history with the X-Men to where it felt important. But at the same time no real loss since Colossus is boring and Psylocke is so convoluted. I thought they each had fitting deaths. Banshee's death could have been a little similar although he was never as popular or important as those two. But this issue was he was gone and they literally only brought him back to kill him. So it didn't feel important.

If Jean had originally stayed dead then it would have been nice, but now the whole point is that she will come back. So for her not to come back would be a let down.

Angel could die. Nightcrawler could die since he has been so mishandled lately. But I like him and don't want him to.

[ProfeZZor X]

That's what Ultimatum was for...

Which is a lot more forgiving (due to its consistent bad writing) than if it were to happen in the 616 universe.

[peopleofpaper]

Colossus and Psylocke both should have stayed dead. They both had a long enough history with the X-Men to where it felt important. But at the same time no real loss since Colossus is boring and Psylocke is so convoluted. I thought they each had fitting deaths. .

Colossus's death was meaningful, but Psylocke's was absolutely pointless. I don't think it was fitting at all. It happened too early in Xtreme and it was just another way for a writer to try and fail to bring her back British.

[J77]

...but Marvel deaths are pretty pointless if they are A-List characters because you can't take them seriously. They'll always come back!

At the same time B and C -List characters are potential cannon fodders.
Potential victims to be sacrificed to get some cheap shocks.

[Slung]

No deaths in the X-Books would shock me (well, if Cyclops, Wolverine or Emma died I'd be shocked, but we all know that won't happen).

[rwsmith]

Cyclops, Emma, Cable, Bishop, Hope. Especially Hope.

Yeah, Bishop and Cable dying might not be pointless, as it would represent "a new hope" for the X-men's future in that they are no longer heading towards the dystopian Days of Future Past like futures that produced these guys (and which they've apparently been heading towards ever since DoFP came out in the 80's). Cable dies protecting Hope from Bishop, and kills Bishop in the process. Both men die, and Hope restores mutant births or something like that. That would definitely not be pointless, and I'm kind of hoping it happens now.

[XaviersMisprint]

I was posting in the Iceman thread about how any character can be killed if done correctly. Ultimatum was not a good example of this...


I have written stories involving characters being killed. Such as Rogue, who is my absolute favorite. However, the way she dies is a pretty big deal because she is the main focus of the entire X-Line for at least 2 years before she dies. It was a post-MC story about how Rogue was struggling with the Mystique persona in her head which caused her mind to regress to the time when she was in the Brotherhood. She still knew she had been in the X-Men and all that so it wasn't like a mind retcon type of thing, but she was overwhelmed with stress and other entities in her head. Along with The Cuckoos, many Madrox multiples, Quicksilver, Toad, Mystique, Callisto, Avalanche, Mimic, and a ton of others, Rogue created a new Brotherhood which she led.

Having cut off all of her hair (don't worry, it was far better looking than her first appearances) and started wearing her first, capeless hooded outfit, Rogue was bitter towards the X-Men after they had wronger her (more to it than has already happened in-canon). For at least 2 years, Rogue's Brotherhood played a bigger part in the X-Books than many of the X-Men did. Rogue had absorbed most of the X-Men's powers and was seemingly unstoppable. Ultimately, there was a showdown between the Brotherhood and the X-Men in Times Square where Rogue permanently paralyzes Beast from the waist down, kills many innocent people, scatters Mercury across the city, telepathically destroys Rockslide, and ends up killing Mystique when Emma Frost tampers with her mind, trying to reverse the trauma dealt upon her psyche. Blaming Mystique for everything she had done for the past year or two, she fights her to the death and decapitates her with her bare hands.

In the end, the only way to stop Rogue is when Shadowcat pulls her through the ground, into another building, and leaves Rogue half-way through a wall, at the waist. Yeah, Rogue dies by being cut in half at the waist through a wall. This causes Cyclops to disband the X-Men permanently having now lost one of their most beloved members at their own hands. Now split in many small groups, small factions of X-Teams regroup, but in unexpected ways.

X-Corps is now re-opened and is a major global mutant agency featuring most international mutants like Sabra, Ursa Major, Micromax, Vanguard, Namor, Collective Man, Storm and Black Panther, and Beast (plus many of the students: Gentle, Prodigy, Mercury, Armor etc.)


Mercury eventually gathers herself together, Beast is in a wheelchair forever (but not likely).... but Rockslide, Mystique, and Rogue are all dead. Uh oh!


The X-Men are started again by Cannonball and consist of Warpath, Iceman, Boom Boom, Moonstar, Siryn, X-23, Sunspot, Wolfsbane, Madrox, Magma, Karma, Hellion, Surge, Chamber, split in two teams.

The senior X-Men (Angel, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Psylocke, Dazzler, Emma Frost, Cyclops, Gambit) spread themselves throughout the Marvel Universe. Angel and Nightcrawler join The Defenders, Colossus The Might Avengers, Gambit joins the cast of Daredevil, Psylocke and Wolverine are in The New Avengers, Dazzler gets a solo ongoing, and Emma and Cyclops have children and raise them in San Francisco where the remaining 198 live happily.

[Hi-Fi]

I was posting in the Iceman thread about how any character can be killed if done correctly. Ultimatum was not a good example of this...


I have written stories involving characters being killed. Such as Rogue, who is my absolute favorite. However, the way she dies is a pretty big deal because she is the main focus of the entire X-Line for at least 2 years before she dies. It was a post-MC story about how Rogue was struggling with the Mystique persona in her head which caused her mind to regress to the time when she was in the Brotherhood. She still knew she had been in the X-Men and all that so it wasn't like a mind retcon type of thing, but she was overwhelmed with stress and other entities in her head. Along with The Cuckoos, many Madrox multiples, Quicksilver, Toad, Mystique, Callisto, Avalanche, Mimic, and a ton of others, Rogue created a new Brotherhood which she led.

Having cut off all of her hair (don't worry, it was far better looking than her first appearances) and started wearing her first, capeless hooded outfit, Rogue was bitter towards the X-Men after they had wronger her (more to it than has already happened in-canon). For at least 2 years, Rogue's Brotherhood played a bigger part in the X-Books than many of the X-Men did. Rogue had absorbed most of the X-Men's powers and was seemingly unstoppable. Ultimately, there was a showdown between the Brotherhood and the X-Men in Times Square where Rogue permanently paralyzes Beast from the waist down, kills many innocent people, scatters Mercury across the city, telepathically destroys Rockslide, and ends up killing Mystique when Emma Frost tampers with her mind, trying to reverse the trauma dealt upon her psyche. Blaming Mystique for everything she had done for the past year or two, she fights her to the death and decapitates her with her bare hands.

In the end, the only way to stop Rogue is when Shadowcat pulls her through the ground, into another building, and leaves Rogue half-way through a wall, at the waist. Yeah, Rogue dies by being cut in half at the waist through a wall. This causes Cyclops to disband the X-Men permanently having now lost one of their most beloved members at their own hands. Now split in many small groups, small factions of X-Teams regroup, but in unexpected ways.

X-Corps is now re-opened and is a major global mutant agency featuring most international mutants like Sabra, Ursa Major, Micromax, Vanguard, Namor, Collective Man, Storm and Black Panther, and Beast (plus many of the students: Gentle, Prodigy, Mercury, Armor etc.)


Mercury eventually gathers herself together, Beast is in a wheelchair forever (but not likely).... but Rockslide, Mystique, and Rogue are all dead. Uh oh!


The X-Men are started again by Cannonball and consist of Warpath, Iceman, Boom Boom, Moonstar, Siryn, X-23, Sunspot, Wolfsbane, Madrox, Magma, Karma, Hellion, Surge, Chamber, split in two teams.

The senior X-Men (Angel, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Psylocke, Dazzler, Emma Frost, Cyclops, Gambit) spread themselves throughout the Marvel Universe. Angel and Nightcrawler join The Defenders, Colossus The Might Avengers, Gambit joins the cast of Daredevil, Psylocke and Wolverine are in The New Avengers, Dazzler gets a solo ongoing, and Emma and Cyclops have children and raise them in San Francisco where the remaining 198 live happily.
No. 101010

[XaviersMisprint]

No. 101010

She would have the best death evarrr.


FINE its an Exiles story.

[Hi-Fi]

FINE its an Exiles story.
Yes. 101010

[4sake]

I was posting in the Iceman thread about how any character can be killed if done correctly. Ultimatum was not a good example of this...


I have written stories involving characters being killed. Such as Rogue, who is my absolute favorite. However, the way she dies is a pretty big deal because she is the main focus of the entire X-Line for at least 2 years before she dies. It was a post-MC story about how Rogue was struggling with the Mystique persona in her head which caused her mind to regress to the time when she was in the Brotherhood. She still knew she had been in the X-Men and all that so it wasn't like a mind retcon type of thing, but she was overwhelmed with stress and other entities in her head. Along with The Cuckoos, many Madrox multiples, Quicksilver, Toad, Mystique, Callisto, Avalanche, Mimic, and a ton of others, Rogue created a new Brotherhood which she led.

Having cut off all of her hair (don't worry, it was far better looking than her first appearances) and started wearing her first, capeless hooded outfit, Rogue was bitter towards the X-Men after they had wronger her (more to it than has already happened in-canon). For at least 2 years, Rogue's Brotherhood played a bigger part in the X-Books than many of the X-Men did. Rogue had absorbed most of the X-Men's powers and was seemingly unstoppable. Ultimately, there was a showdown between the Brotherhood and the X-Men in Times Square where Rogue permanently paralyzes Beast from the waist down, kills many innocent people, scatters Mercury across the city, telepathically destroys Rockslide, and ends up killing Mystique when Emma Frost tampers with her mind, trying to reverse the trauma dealt upon her psyche. Blaming Mystique for everything she had done for the past year or two, she fights her to the death and decapitates her with her bare hands.

In the end, the only way to stop Rogue is when Shadowcat pulls her through the ground, into another building, and leaves Rogue half-way through a wall, at the waist. Yeah, Rogue dies by being cut in half at the waist through a wall. This causes Cyclops to disband the X-Men permanently having now lost one of their most beloved members at their own hands. Now split in many small groups, small factions of X-Teams regroup, but in unexpected ways.

X-Corps is now re-opened and is a major global mutant agency featuring most international mutants like Sabra, Ursa Major, Micromax, Vanguard, Namor, Collective Man, Storm and Black Panther, and Beast (plus many of the students: Gentle, Prodigy, Mercury, Armor etc.)


Mercury eventually gathers herself together, Beast is in a wheelchair forever (but not likely).... but Rockslide, Mystique, and Rogue are all dead. Uh oh!


The X-Men are started again by Cannonball and consist of Warpath, Iceman, Boom Boom, Moonstar, Siryn, X-23, Sunspot, Wolfsbane, Madrox, Magma, Karma, Hellion, Surge, Chamber, split in two teams.

The senior X-Men (Angel, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Psylocke, Dazzler, Emma Frost, Cyclops, Gambit) spread themselves throughout the Marvel Universe. Angel and Nightcrawler join The Defenders, Colossus The Might Avengers, Gambit joins the cast of Daredevil, Psylocke and Wolverine are in The New Avengers, Dazzler gets a solo ongoing, and Emma and Cyclops have children and raise them in San Francisco where the remaining 198 live happily.

That would be a good/great What If IMO. :cool:

[XaviersMisprint]

That would be a good/great What If IMO. :cool:

I think it would too. I'd cry if Rogue ever died to be honest. But I was trying to think of a way that if she died it would at least be the best possible way for her to go and thats all I got. :o

[ocelotrevs]

I think Colossus probably could've stayed dead. Warpath could've easily been promoted to "resident team powerhouse" to fill the void. I like Colossus, but he had a good death IMO and there was really little reason to bring him back other than Whedon just wanted to.

As it stands now, though, I just don't see the point of killing off anyone major.

I thought the same thing. Colossus had a very honourable death. Bringing him back for what, to me, seemed like an average story was pretty crappy.

[Hi-Fi]

I think it would too. I'd cry if Rogue ever died to be honest. But I was trying to think of a way that if she died it would at least be the best possible way for her to go and thats all I got. :o
When I picture the final X-Men mission, I always see Mystique jumping on Rogue and pushing her daughter and herself into some kind of long ponty stake sticking out from the scenery, killing both.

[XaviersMisprint]

When I picture the final X-Men mission, I always see Mystique jumping on Rogue and pushing her daughter and herself into some kind of long ponty stake sticking out from the scenery, killing both.


Wasn't that Rogue and Gambit?

[Hi-Fi]

Wasn't that Rogue and Gambit?
Yeah, but this time it would actually matter. Something along the lines "if I can't have my daughter, no one else can".

LOL. I actually deleted that Rogue and Gambit moment from my mind. Thanks A LOT, Misprint.

[The Black Guardian]

No, both DC and Marvel need to get away from death-based events.
Precisely. Deaths have become so expected that it's become silly.

Look at the original question: "Is it time for a big hitter to die for real?" "For real?" Really now? The "big hitter" isn't even real in the first place. I've never really understood the desire to hold this aspect of fantasy fiction--death--to a higher standard than the rest of it. The lives of these characters aren't "for real," so neither should their deaths be.

[XaviersMisprint]

Yeah, but this time it would actually matter. Something along the lines "if I can't have my daughter, no one else can".

LOL. I actually deleted that Rogue and Gambit moment from my mind. Thanks A LOT, Misprint.

I know what type of moment you're talking about. If Rogue ever did die it would have to have something big to do with Mystique.

And yes I had blocked it out as well, but YOU were the one who reactivated it. So blame yourself. :)

[ClanAskani]

Marvel needs to seriously rethink character deaths, since they aren't working. The audience is older now. We all know that deaths are meaningless, pointless and pretty much only for shock value.

And as soon as a character is dead, all the focus is on how/when they come back. At least 50% of questions at X-Panels are "when is this character coming back?"

And licensing isn't going to let characters get killed off permanently. There's too much money to be made of the characters.

With Disney involved, who knows how that's going to change things. If Bishop was killed off in the final chapter of the Messiah Trilogy, would Disney be worried about the negative press of the only black male X-Man being killed?

Fans won't let characters stay dead. And it's becoming anticlimatic about how all major events need to end with huge character deaths.

Deaths no longer add anything to stories. They're just annoying and frustrating to wait through characters coming back.

And it negatively impacts writers. I know they're loved on here, but there are several forums where Yost and Kyle are absolutely loathed for all the killing in New X-Men and people would never pick up a book written by them to save their lives. It's not fair, but when new writers go out and kill character(s), that's what they're know for. And as comics readership has become more of a niche, fan-based audience, that's going to negatively impact careers.

[pryde15]

This thread is hilarious, does a big hitter need to die? No, but if a writer really thinks their run is so forgetable that they must, well then I guess that is going to happen. I honestly hate comic book deaths, because they usually mean next to nothing.

I would say Magik that really meant something, but now she is back (not to say I am not happy about it). All I am saying is there are other ways to make a story interesting other than killing characters off.

[Justin K.]

I guess Banshee is not a big enough hitter...

[Robbiebob_16]

I guess Banshee is not a big enough hitter...
Just about to say that! It pissed me off how un-climatic and half-assed it was. A plane crash? How banal! I miss him already....:frown:

[en.sabah.nerd]

How can any character stay dead? Eventually a writer will come along who wants to bring them back. The only exception is when another character fills the dead character's place (Warpath filling in for Thunderbird being the most obvious example).

I'm more interested in the idea of aging the characters, allowing younger characters to gradually replace old characters. Both Marvel and DC have taken some steps in that direction, by introducing all the offspring characters (Daken, Chris Kent, Sakaar) and by aging existing "kid" heroes (Dick Grayson, Cannonball (and the New Mutants), Bucky).

I would love to see Cannonball take over the X-Men from Cyclops in the next few years. Also, I would love to see a new character take over the Magneto role. If Magneto was born in the 1930's (he was in the Holocaust), then he's at least 70 years old! Exodus kindof stepped into a "Magneto" role, but I don't think he really fits. He has his own, complicated story. And he's not as strong as a leader as Magneto.

It may sound strange, but I'd love to see Toad put on Magneto's helmet. He's a natural leader, he's passionate for mutant supremacy and he's had years of experience facing Cyclops and the X-Men. Those factors matter a lot more, in the end, than power level.

[Azure]

You want your story to have impact, then you gotta have that death-count! All the biggest stories - Dark Phoenix Saga, E For Extinction, Messiah Complex, it goes on - they all killed off characters to create importance. Most acclaimed run at the moment belongs to Kyle/Yost, whose writing features more than a usual amount of death and violence. Question is, can you tell a lasting X-Men story without killing off someone?

[witness]

This thread is hilarious, does a big hitter need to die? No, but if a writer really thinks their run is so forgetable that they must, well then I guess that is going to happen. I honestly hate comic book deaths, because they usually mean next to nothing.

I would say Magik that really meant something, but now she is back (not to say I am not happy about it). All I am saying is there are other ways to make a story interesting other than killing characters off.

Agreed that at the moment deaths mean next nothing but thats because of their frivolous misuse up to this point.

[witness]

Dead like Batman where they clearly show him stuck back in prehistoric times hoping someone will find him? Yea I think its time Marvel "killed" a character and let the fans know the same issue he isnt really dead.

So Dc are clearly as ludricous on death as marvel (I don't keep as up to date on Batman as I'd like generally buying it in book rather than individual comic form), the point still stands that generally speaking death in comic books is something of a joke.

[witness]

I think Colossus probably could've stayed dead. Warpath could've easily been promoted to "resident team powerhouse" to fill the void. I like Colossus, but he had a good death IMO and there was really little reason to bring him back other than Whedon just wanted to.

As it stands now, though, I just don't see the point of killing off anyone major.

Agreed,Colossus really should have stayed dead.

[witness]

Cyclops, Emma, Cable, Bishop, Hope. Especially Hope.

Funnily enough I thought of Cable as I was writing the thread. For me he would be the perfect choice to die permanently (is that the sound of Cable fans sharpening their pencils I can hear:biggrin: )

[witness]

I guess Banshee is not a big enough hitter...

He is I'm just not convinced he'll stay dead.

[peopleofpaper]

I think right now the only ones who anyone would notice die would be Cyclops, Emma or Pixie. I think Emma dying could be really dramatic but not enough fans would care. Cyclops, on the other hand, would be the perfect one to die. Here's the leader and the focus of everything and in charge of all the mutants and then BAM everyone would be running around like chickens with their heads cut off. I'd like to see the mutants go off and live all over the place again.

[witness]

This is going to upset a lot of people but I'll carry on regardless. When I was thinking of this thread my thoughts actually turned to Wolverine. I don't think Marvel would ever contemplate it considering the popularity of the character but I think you could do it. You could still have countless Wolverine books telling stories of his past so it wouldn't mean the complete disappearance of the character but as Impact deaths go it would certainly be effective and it would bring back a sense of mortality that is sadly lacking in the Marvel universe. I say this as a huge Wolverine fan so its not just Anti-logan bile.

[witness]

I think right now the only ones who anyone would notice die would be Cyclops, Emma or Pixie. I think Emma dying could be really dramatic but not enough fans would care. Cyclops, on the other hand, would be the perfect one to die. Here's the leader and the focus of everything and in charge of all the mutants and then BAM everyone would be running around like chickens with their heads cut off. I'd like to see the mutants go off and live all over the place again.

You have a point about Cyclops, Emma and pixie but are clearly forgetting the uproar that would surround Wolverine, Rogue or X-23's deaths were they to transpire. Cyclops would quite rightly as you say be an excellent choice for the effect his death would have on the rest of the x-men.

[Perfection/Emma 2]

I was posting in the Iceman thread about how any character can be killed if done correctly. Ultimatum was not a good example of this...


I have written stories involving characters being killed. Such as Rogue, who is my absolute favorite. However, the way she dies is a pretty big deal because she is the main focus of the entire X-Line for at least 2 years before she dies. It was a post-MC story about how Rogue was struggling with the Mystique persona in her head which caused her mind to regress to the time when she was in the Brotherhood. She still knew she had been in the X-Men and all that so it wasn't like a mind retcon type of thing, but she was overwhelmed with stress and other entities in her head. Along with The Cuckoos, many Madrox multiples, Quicksilver, Toad, Mystique, Callisto, Avalanche, Mimic, and a ton of others, Rogue created a new Brotherhood which she led.

Having cut off all of her hair (don't worry, it was far better looking than her first appearances) and started wearing her first, capeless hooded outfit, Rogue was bitter towards the X-Men after they had wronger her (more to it than has already happened in-canon). For at least 2 years, Rogue's Brotherhood played a bigger part in the X-Books than many of the X-Men did. Rogue had absorbed most of the X-Men's powers and was seemingly unstoppable. Ultimately, there was a showdown between the Brotherhood and the X-Men in Times Square where Rogue permanently paralyzes Beast from the waist down, kills many innocent people, scatters Mercury across the city, telepathically destroys Rockslide, and ends up killing Mystique when Emma Frost tampers with her mind, trying to reverse the trauma dealt upon her psyche. Blaming Mystique for everything she had done for the past year or two, she fights her to the death and decapitates her with her bare hands.

In the end, the only way to stop Rogue is when Shadowcat pulls her through the ground, into another building, and leaves Rogue half-way through a wall, at the waist. Yeah, Rogue dies by being cut in half at the waist through a wall. This causes Cyclops to disband the X-Men permanently having now lost one of their most beloved members at their own hands. Now split in many small groups, small factions of X-Teams regroup, but in unexpected ways.

X-Corps is now re-opened and is a major global mutant agency featuring most international mutants like Sabra, Ursa Major, Micromax, Vanguard, Namor, Collective Man, Storm and Black Panther, and Beast (plus many of the students: Gentle, Prodigy, Mercury, Armor etc.)


Mercury eventually gathers herself together, Beast is in a wheelchair forever (but not likely).... but Rockslide, Mystique, and Rogue are all dead. Uh oh!


The X-Men are started again by Cannonball and consist of Warpath, Iceman, Boom Boom, Moonstar, Siryn, X-23, Sunspot, Wolfsbane, Madrox, Magma, Karma, Hellion, Surge, Chamber, split in two teams.

The senior X-Men (Angel, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Psylocke, Dazzler, Emma Frost, Cyclops, Gambit) spread themselves throughout the Marvel Universe. Angel and Nightcrawler join The Defenders, Colossus The Might Avengers, Gambit joins the cast of Daredevil, Psylocke and Wolverine are in The New Avengers, Dazzler gets a solo ongoing, and Emma and Cyclops have children and raise them in San Francisco where the remaining 198 live happily.

U have just been cursed. NEVER EVER MAKE A STORY OF ROGUE DYING!!!:evilangry:

[witness]

How can any character stay dead? Eventually a writer will come along who wants to bring them back. The only exception is when another character fills the dead character's place (Warpath filling in for Thunderbird being the most obvious example).

I'm more interested in the idea of aging the characters, allowing younger characters to gradually replace old characters. Both Marvel and DC have taken some steps in that direction, by introducing all the offspring characters (Daken, Chris Kent, Sakaar) and by aging existing "kid" heroes (Dick Grayson, Cannonball (and the New Mutants), Bucky).

I would love to see Cannonball take over the X-Men from Cyclops in the next few years. Also, I would love to see a new character take over the Magneto role. If Magneto was born in the 1930's (he was in the Holocaust), then he's at least 70 years old! Exodus kindof stepped into a "Magneto" role, but I don't think he really fits. He has his own, complicated story. And he's not as strong as a leader as Magneto.

It may sound strange, but I'd love to see Toad put on Magneto's helmet. He's a natural leader, he's passionate for mutant supremacy and he's had years of experience facing Cyclops and the X-Men. Those factors matter a lot more, in the end, than power level.

You make an excellent point about Magneto. If he were to die I'd like it to be from old age rather than a climactic battle. I'd LOVE to see the X-writers turn Toad into the new mutant supremacist (sadly can't see it happening however). On the Cannonball front when he became a member of the main X-men in the 90's, even though he was the "kid" of the team at that point I always got the feeling then he was being groomed to take over from Cyclops
in the long run (they both have the boy scout idealism needed to be a "champion" for the "dream")

[witness]

Just a further thought on the Cable thing. Maybe they could have him and Apocalypse both die together in a final battle. It would neatly tie up the "Cable being Apocalypse's ultimate nemesis" plot and the death of a major villain would also add extra impact.

[steve2275]

only thanos is worthy of death :tongue:

[witness]

Been thinking about it and decided it should be Xavier himself who should die permanently. That would probably have the best dramatic effect.

[Valeria Kementari]

Been thinking about it and decided it should be Xavier himself who should die permanently. That would probably have the best dramatic effect.

he has already, twice at the very least... it's never permanent, get used to it, even the "dead stays dead" Quesada law didn't last...

[witness]

he has already, twice at the very least... it's never permanent, get used to it, even the "dead stays dead" Quesada law didn't last...

A person can dream can't they :biggrin:

[q.u.e.e.n.]

You make an excellent point about Magneto. If he were to die I'd like it to be from old age rather than a climactic battle.

If done right I could totally see that. Magneto on his deathbed reminiscing on things from the past and wondering where he could have gone right.

Although in another way, I'd rather see Magneto go out as classic Magneto -- fighting for mutantkind in his same old fashion.

[Goshin]

If Magneto was born in the 1930's (he was in the Holocaust), then he's at least 70 years old! .



read uncanny x-men #200. when magneto was turned into a baby and restored to adulthood by erik the red, the was re-aged into his prime in his early 30's. the only reason his hair is white is the same reason storm and quicksilver have white hair. grant morisson obviously never read any old x-men stories before the movies came out because his magneto was old and senile :mad:

[Psychic Illusion]

It'll be nice if cyke dies and never come back. The honor of his death should be in the hands of the one and only, madylene pryor.

[Washout]

It'll be nice if cyke dies and never come back. The honor of his death should be in the hands of the one and only, madylene pryor.

I'm trying real hard not to hate Scott as a part of my give every character a chance unless they're Beast or Colossus stance, but killing Scott would shake up the X-men, and would be pretty interesting.

[Slant]

Last time Scott died we got Revolution. Is it really worth it?

[Washout]

Last time Scott died we got Revolution. Is it really worth it?

That's true. . . the X-titles haven't been the same since he died. He wasn't as important back then, though. Now-a-days, his death would be huge for pretty much every X-title. Unlike Xavier before him, Cyclops has a connection to nearly every important mutant in the marvel universe right now.

I don't want to advocate the death of any character because everybody is someone's favorite. I'm just saying it would lead to interesting places.

[CrimsonComedian]

Kill off the professor. Permanently. Beast and cyclops too if you want.

[jester1436]

I don't understand why people don't grasp that serialized fiction means death is never a "real" thing. It sidelines a character for a while, but it's never going to have the sting of permanence when comics are still being published.

[RolandJP]

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[witness]

I don't understand why people don't grasp that serialized fiction means death is never a "real" thing. It sidelines a character for a while, but it's never going to have the sting of permanence when comics are still being published.

Thats not strictly true is it. Only comic books have this obsession with everyone coming back to life. You get serialised fiction in television for instance that is quite willing to accept that death is part of the human process.

[witness]

read uncanny x-men #200. when magneto was turned into a baby and restored to adulthood by erik the red, the was re-aged into his prime in his early 30's. the only reason his hair is white is the same reason storm and quicksilver have white hair. grant morisson obviously never read any old x-men stories before the movies came out because his magneto was old and senile :mad:

To me though this just detracted from the character. We SHOULD have seen Magneto age and die. (I'd of rather he was cloned than the whole de-aged thing and i'm not exactly a massive fan of cloning, considering it to be a lazy plot device).

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Thats not strictly true is it. Only comic books have this obsession with everyone coming back to life. You get serialised fiction in television for instance that is quite willing to accept that death is part of the human process.

Like soap operas?


:wink:



(aka I'm calling bs on that. Video games, soap operas, the bible 9lol), among other things, also have an "obsession" with people coming back to life.)

[witness]

Like soap operas?


:wink:



(aka I'm calling bs on that. Video games, soap operas, the bible 9lol), among other things, also have an "obsession" with people coming back to life.)

Soap opera's are the one medium that have more ridiculous/far fetched plotlines than comics. I was more thinking of GOOD television (Soprano's, The wire to name but two). :biggrin:

Video Games have to treat death like they do otherwise most games would be pretty short and as for the bible, thats the most unrealistic piece of fiction in existence.

[AcesX1X]

(aka I'm calling bs on that. Video games, soap operas, the bible 9lol), among other things, also have an "obsession" with people coming back to life.)

lol great response kid kamikaze.

[Anodyne]

Fictional characters' lives aren't real; why should their deaths be real? :tongue:

Aside from shows with supernatural themes, has any soap opera actually killed a character on-screen, then brought them back; or have the resurrectees always been "missing and presumed dead"?

[witness]

Fictional characters' lives aren't real; why should their deaths be real? :tongue:

Aside from shows with supernatural themes, has any soap opera actually killed a character on-screen, then brought them back; or have the resurrectees always been "missing and presumed dead"?

well apart from the obvious (It was all a dream) . In the British soap Eastenders they brought back the Character Dirty Den after having him assassinated ten years previously (I'm not a fan of the soap, but it made the news in the celebrity obsessed press we have here).They contrived a plotline involving it being a fake assassination so he could escape the mob or something,but it beggared belief and quite frankly just showed up the lack of ideas/new characters. This soap is obsessed with bringing back old characters mainly because it's a quick ratings boost (and all the new one's they come up with are useless, mainly because they write characters for plotlines rather than the other way round).

[timbox]

I would be mortified if X-23 died.

[witness]

I would be mortified if X-23 died.

Can you imagine the outpouring of grief on these pages if she did? :biggrin: