Fastest characters in anime/manga?

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

I'd have to say that Cyborg 009 (Lightspeed for sure), Alita (massively multiple mach), and Karas (massively multiple mach) are three of the fastest I've ever seen.


Consistently fast, at that. Not DBZ style fast here, slow there, but these three are always going fast in their fights, it seems.

[Daiyoukai Ramza]

The fastest I've seen, that I can recall off the top of my head are...

Saint Seiya - Anyone at or above the level of Gold Saint. They pretty much start at lightspeed and can amp themselves to stupidly fast levels. As in 'cross billions of galaxies in a fairly short amount of time' fast.

Bastard - The high and top-tiers are very fast. Their combat speed is... an indeterminate amount above lightspeed, but their travel speed, based on the time it took Uriel to fly from the center of the Milky Way to the Earth is around 200,000 c.

TTGL - TTGL and the Anti-spiral are FTL, if only by virtue of their size. Each step is thousands of light-years. Way more than that, if you consider the creator's statement that TTGL was 1/5 the size of the size of the universe valid.

Negima - Negi isn't FTL, but he does have a form that can move and react/think at 150 km/s.

One Piece - Kizaru turns into light. 'Nuff said. Albeit, he only has a 'constant' combat speed in the hypersonic range.

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - Several stands possess lightspeed reactions/attack speed. Silver Chariot, Star Platinum, Hanged Man, Crazy Diamond, and King Crimson are the ones I can recall on short notice. Oh, and Cars has some stupidly fast reflexes, since he blocked an ultraviolet beam after it was fired.

Tenchi Muyo - Tenchi and Z from the third Tenchi OAV are FTL by a pretty good margin.

Sailor Moon - Later on in the manga, Sailor Moon can apparently fly at FTL speeds. However, her combat speed is significantly lower.

Meh, that's a pretty decent list. Plus, I've pretty much exhausted all the series I'm familiar with that contain fast characters.

[master of read]

kikumaru from prince of tennis. he was moving so fast, he created another one of himself using his speed.

[FistofIron]

Get Backers: If you believe certain attacks are the real thing then you can make a case for FTL.

[Dark Soul # 7]

kikumaru from prince of tennis. he was moving so fast, he created another one of himself using his speed.Zommari from Bleach and Black Star from Soul Eater can do that as well.

[master of read]

Zommari from Bleach and Black Star from Soul Eater can do that as well.

but kikumaru can actually interact with his speed clone, high five-ing and hugging it.

[Hitokiri]

Soujiro from Kenshin.

Most high end Shaman King characters.

[mercwiththemouth]

Soujiro from Kenshin.

Most high end Shaman King characters.

I was also going to add Soujiro and the Gold Saints. Those were first I thought of.

The former being an example of maybe a more realistic fast person (or at least supposedly at the peak of human speed) and the other being an example of things that should be Gods.

[Nik Hasta]

Get Backers: If you believe certain attacks are the real thing then you can make a case for FTL.

Wait what?

Since when?

Also I'd say the Stand Stairway To Heaven from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure in Stone Ocean is the fastest. When you're so fast you outrun time itself, speed to the end of the Universe and recreated the Universe to your will because you are so fast. You're pretty quick.

[MasakiKurusu]

Wait what?

Since when?

Also I'd say the Stand Stairway To Heaven from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure in Stone Ocean is the fastest. When you're so fast you outrun time itself, speed to the end of the Universe and recreated the Universe to your will because you are so fast. You're pretty quick.


Since

1. Characters in Gb escape gravitational forces so dense that light can not escape. Basically a black hole and they do it casually. Hell, they escape the forces of multiple ones.
2. Characters can react, dodge, and move faster than light rays, light particles, and plasma orbs being pushed through magnetic fields to move at near light speed casually. And not light created like Kizaru, I mean light generated from the light particles within the environment.
3. Since Vol. 34 when 5 characters were stated to be FTL. Then they just get faster from that point on.
4. Guys who who are confirmed FTL cannot even comprehend the speed of guys faster than them.

* Characters were already above lightning speed when the series began at vol.1, it only makes sense that they would be faster by vol.39.

However, there are characters in other anime series that are way faster.

Tenchi Muyo
Saint Seiya
Bastard
JJBA

[Guy1]

I'd have to say that Cyborg 009

0013 was faster.:wink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia2Lh116O2U

[Nik Hasta]

Since

1. Characters in Gb escape gravitational forces so dense that light can not escape. Basically a black hole and they do it casually. Hell, they escape the forces of multiple ones.

Okay, when? The only Black Hole-esq in the series as far as I am aware is Yukimura Miroku's final attack which isn't a real black hole so no.

2. Characters can react, dodge, and move faster than light rays, light particles, and plasma orbs being pushed through magnetic fields to move at near light speed casually. And not light created like Kizaru, I mean light generated from the light particles within the environment.

Again, no they don't. Masaki throws knives made out of light at non-light speeds and actually succeeds in blasting Akabane into a fine mist with an actual beam of light.

Also, plasma orbs in magnetic field, yes, noted as moving at near lightspeed? Hell no.

3. Since Vol. 34 when 5 characters were stated to be FTL. Then they just get faster from that point on.

Because statements in any series are gospel.

4. Guys who who are confirmed FTL cannot even comprehend the speed of guys faster than them.

A notion which is based entirely on the conjecture that anyone in Getbackers is faster than light. Also not useable.

* Characters were already above lightning speed when the series began at vol.1, it only makes sense that they would be faster by vol.39.

No, they weren't. I'd love to hear what feat from Vol. 1 you think puts them as faster than lightning.

The Getbackers characters are exceedingly quick but they aren't FTL by any stretch of the imagination.

[Robotech Master]

0013 was faster.:wink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia2Lh116O2U

That was before 009's acceleration upgrade though.

It was AFTER the upgrade that he spent like two weeks worth of his time within the blink of an eye when his accelerator got stuck on, and when he was able to have a battle with a guy in the middle of a populated city during the afternoon with no one ever noticing them.

[MasakiKurusu]

Okay, when? The only Black Hole-esq in the series as far as I am aware is Yukimura Miroku's final attack which isn't a real black hole so no.
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It's a gravitational hole so dense that not even light can escape. That's what it is described as. Hell, even Makubex called it a black hole. Makubex, a guy that is connected to all of time and space.

[QUOTE]
Again, no they don't. Masaki throws knives made out of light at non-light speeds and actually succeeds in blasting Akabane into a fine mist with an actual beam of light.
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Masaki clearly states that he does not create light. He manipulates the light particles within the environment, thus its light. Pretty hard to say its not.

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Also, plasma orbs in magnetic field, yes, noted as moving at near lightspeed? Hell no.
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Look it up, I read about it and it was confirmed.

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Because statements in any series are gospel.
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Yet in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure characters are stated to be FTL and thus its true. Saint Seiya also, and its true.

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A notion which is based entirely on the conjecture that anyone in Getbackers is faster than light. Also not useable.
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and why not? They have the feats.

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No, they weren't. I'd love to hear what feat from Vol. 1 you think puts them as faster than lightning
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Lets see Volume 26 and 27, clearly shows the pre-GB days. Ban Mido at that point is passed lightning timing. Which means before Vol. 1, or when vol. 1 starts, Ban is at lightning timing. He fought Raitei at 100%; a guy that can strike lightning down wherever he chooses instantly at will in Lower Town. Ban didn't get reduced to something less than subatomic particles like he should have been so obviously he was dodging and reacting to lightning.

[Guy1]

That was before 009's acceleration upgrade though.

It was AFTER the upgrade that he spent like two weeks worth of his time within the blink of an eye when his accelerator got stuck on, and when he was able to have a battle with a guy in the middle of a populated city during the afternoon with no one ever noticing them.

I see. Thanks for the info.:smile:

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0013 is still awesome though.

[Guy1]

At any rate, the higher end DBZ guys should at least be in the upper tiers of speedsters.

[Nik Hasta]

It's a gravitational hole so dense that not even light can escape. That's what it is described as. Hell, even Makubex called it a black hole. Makubex, a guy that is connected to all of time and space.

And yet it's created by a guy spinning a dense metal ring around at high speeds, not by a mass on the level of a star being crushed to subatomic point. Statements, again, are meaningless in pretty any series because they utterly contradict what is shown, as it does in the case of Yukimura's 'black hole,'

So no that's isn't a feat for FTL speed.

Masaki clearly states that he does not create light. He manipulates the light particles within the environment, thus its light. Pretty hard to say its not.

Did I ever say his weapon wasn't light?

He manipulates it at speeds dramatically slower than light. The time he actually uses a beam he hits Akabane with no trouble, implying less than lightspeed reaction time, while his knives made of light are blocked and avoided with little trouble as is his swinging around a dirty great big sword made of light.

So... no not a feat for FTL speed.

Look it up, I read about it and it was confirmed.

That doesn't actually answer my question. If you're making a claim then you have to provide proof for if asked, good sir.

Yet in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure characters are stated to be FTL and thus its true. Saint Seiya also, and its true.

JJBA only has, as far as I can think of, one character who is faster than light. That is, as I mentioned Stairway to Heaven from Stone Ocean which is faster than time and reality so much so that it accelerated to the end of the Universe and remade it in to its own desires.

Star Platinum and The World kind of are, but that's due to them being able to stop time rather than actual speed on their part.

Saint Seiya I'm not so familiar with but I am informed it has characters travelling across large chunks of the planet in literally instants, I believe one chap went from Greece to Tibet in less than a second but I might be wrong on the specifics. Also Gold Saint Aioria with his Lightning Plasma attack, throws something 1,000,000 attacks in a second, an attack which I crunched the numbers for and that comes out at 1/2 lightspeed.

Either way Getbackers has no such feats.

and why not? They have the feats.

As I have pointed out, no they don't..

Lets see Volume 26 and 27, clearly shows the pre-GB days. Ban Mido at that point is passed lightning timing.

I've read volumes 26 and 27. At no point does Ban move faster than lightning or anywhere near fast enough to even be considered in that ballpark.

Which means before Vol. 1, or when vol. 1 starts, Ban is at lightning timing. He fought Raitei at 100%; a guy that can strike lightning down wherever he chooses instantly at will in Lower Town. Ban didn't get reduced to something less than subatomic particles like he should have been so obviously he was dodging and reacting to lightning.

Or maybe the Raitei just has difficultly targetting someone who moves quickly?

If you want to play this game, then explain the many, many, many times Ban and Ginji and everyone "On their level," throughout the manga that they don't move at faster than light speeds.

Heck, what about when Ban fought Dokubachi in the Kabuto arc? Dokubachi explicitly stated that Ban threw 12 attacks in 0.01 seconds. Very fast, granted. But nowhere near lightspeed.

Ban got serious, channelled the Great Serpent and it only went up to 32 times in 0.01 seconds, still nowhere near lightspeed. If he had been beyond lightspeed since day one he should have been capable of throwing tens of thousands of attacks in 0.01 seconds.

Heck, even at the top of his game, when fighting Akabane at the climax of the series Ban was only throwing 300 attacks in a given instant and Base Himiko, who has no real super-enhanced reflexes without her acceleration scent, which she wasn't using, could still see 3 of them.

If they were truly FTL then she wouldn't have seen anything at all.

No one in Getbackers is remotely FTL.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

That was before 009's acceleration upgrade though.

It was AFTER the upgrade that he spent like two weeks worth of his time within the blink of an eye when his accelerator got stuck on, and when he was able to have a battle with a guy in the middle of a populated city during the afternoon with no one ever noticing them.

Yep.


009's actually probably Lightspeed +.

[MasakiKurusu]

And yet it's created by a guy spinning a dense metal ring around at high speeds, not by a mass on the level of a star being crushed to subatomic point. Statements, again, are meaningless in pretty any series because they utterly contradict what is shown, as it does in the case of Yukimura's 'black hole,'

So no that's isn't a feat for FTL speed.



Hmm, this is fiction? Lets be real.

It was stated that it is a force that acts like a black hole. It doesn't need to be supermassive. It still acts like a black hole and people could escape it thus showing their speed.



Did I ever say his weapon wasn't light?

He manipulates it at speeds dramatically slower than light. The time he actually uses a beam he hits Akabane with no trouble, implying less than lightspeed reaction time, while his knives made of light are blocked and avoided with little trouble as is his swinging around a dirty great big sword made of light.

So... no not a feat for FTL speed.


So wait, when he consumes light and becomes an entity of pure light, he doesn't move at light speed? Because now you would be talking nonsense.

so he turns into light, swings a big sword out of light, but he's not moving at light speed? you make no sense.

He manipulates light at a slower rate? That makes no sense. Even manipulating it at a slower rate, means that the light still moves at C.

the beam you are talking about, do you mean that when the smoke cleared Akabane clearly reacted to it as he had blocked it from all angles with his scalpels? Or the one that Akabane let hit him but yet still manged to dodged somehow? although he was like a puddle of blood.


JJBA only has, as far as I can think of, one character who is faster than light. That is, as I mentioned Stairway to Heaven from Stone Ocean which is faster than time and reality so much so that it accelerated to the end of the Universe and remade it in to its own desires.

Star Platinum and The World kind of are, but that's due to them being able to stop time rather than actual speed on their part.

Saint Seiya I'm not so familiar with but I am informed it has characters travelling across large chunks of the planet in literally instants, I believe one chap went from Greece to Tibet in less than a second but I might be wrong on the specifics. Also Gold Saint Aioria with his Lightning Plasma attack, throws something 1,000,000 attacks in a second, an attack which I crunched the numbers for and that comes out at 1/2 lightspeed.

Either way Getbackers has no such feats.


Hmm, Paul and Der Kaiser. The fight began and to people like Ban, Ginji and Kazuki (who was able to react and block Masaki's light beams twice in Vol.31) couldn't see what was happening. Once that pebble got thrown in between them, the entire area was in ruins and the two had their hands in their pockets.

Let me ask you, Malubex, a guy who does nothing but calculations agreed about their speed, but now he is lying? The guy knew everything that was going to happen (unless Ban changed history) but he guess' their speed? Not a good argument sir.

Oh and only if you can cross the planet and etc then you are ftl? so unless you can do all of that over top shit, you can be recognized as FTL, but if you never shown any of that then you can't possibly be FTL? That makes no sense at all. Why or when have they had the need to do all of that? never. It's not like I'm saying they are planet busters or shit, I'm stating the facts.


I've read volumes 26 and 27. At no point does Ban move faster than lightning or anywhere near fast enough to even be considered in that ballpark.



Or maybe the Raitei just has difficultly targetting someone who moves quickly?

If you want to play this game, then explain the many, many, many times Ban and Ginji and everyone "On their level," throughout the manga that they don't move at faster than light speeds.


Because genius, I clearly said vol.34. Which is near the end of the series. Before Vol.30, they are not but you keep making it seem like I said the whole series!


Heck, what about when Ban fought Dokubachi in the Kabuto arc? Dokubachi explicitly stated that Ban threw 12 attacks in 0.01 seconds. Very fast, granted. But nowhere near lightspeed.


again, not Vol.34 is it? so shut up.


Ban got serious, channelled the Great Serpent and it only went up to 32 times in 0.01 seconds, still nowhere near lightspeed. If he had been beyond lightspeed since day one he should have been capable of throwing tens of thousands of attacks in 0.01 seconds.


We don't know how many punches he threw because Dokobachi said he was getting faster and faster past all possible limits so stop trying to make it seem like that was hit limit.


Heck, even at the top of his game, when fighting Akabane at the climax of the series Ban was only throwing 300 attacks in a given instant and Base Himiko, who has no real super-enhanced reflexes without her acceleration scent, which she wasn't using, could still see 3 of them.

If they were truly FTL then she wouldn't have seen anything at all.

No one in Getbackers is remotely FTL.

One, I clearly said VOL.34 is when they reach these f'n levels. When they are in the Beltline while all of time and space is collapsing.

Ban's speed is actually calculated to be more than that.

Himiko who was completed as the Voodoo Child does have superhuman reflexes. Once again, know your freakin knowledge. It was clearly stated in Vol. 28. She easily got to a level of where she could blitz 2 guys that were as fast as Ban and Akabane.


You are talking to a guy that clearly knows that in the Chinese, Japanese and Australian versions they are confirm FTL. I'm not arguing this shit anymore because you obviously aren't listening.

[Hazard]

MasakiKurusu, I am not arguing whether GB characters were faster than light or not, but I think one of the problems is that they never really felt like they were light speed. Sure there are guys throwing lighting and light around, but if every character that has dodged those were on this list it'd be a lot bigger.

With other manga like Saint Seiya the speed of the characters was hammered early on. I mean when Seiya who was pretty much the fastest Saint at the time first fights Aioria and he can't even see the guys attacks, you really believe it when the guy says he is hitting you at light speed. GB kind of lacks that.

[MasakiKurusu]

I understand that Saint Seiya guys are MASSIVELY FTL. They cross billions of universes in short time.
Even the girls on Sailor Moon have flying speeds that places them in a great margin of FTL. However when they fight hand to hand, they can barely be considered hypersonic.
Tenchi or Z are around hundreds of times FTL.

The guys in Gb are what, just FTL. Not by a massive margin either in my opinion. Not at the above guys level either. And by the end of the series, after Vol. 31, most of the fights that take place are only described as a fraction of what is really going on. If Shimon would stab you once in scan, its revealed that he actually attacked you 30 times all over your body. One punch would be way more than what it looks like on a scan because they describe everything thats going on.

I mean, fucking Kizaru from One Piece in his light form is considered real light speed, but characters on GetBackers who have speed feats world above him don't count? That makes no f'n sense.

[master of read]

I understand that Saint Seiya guys are MASSIVELY FTL. They cross billions of universes in short time.
Even the girls on Sailor Moon have flying speeds that places them in a great margin of FTL. However when they fight hand to hand, they can barely be considered hypersonic.
Tenchi or Z are around hundreds of times FTL.

The guys in Gb are what, just FTL. Not by a massive margin either in my opinion. Not at the above guys level either. And by the end of the series, after Vol. 31, most of the fights that take place are only described as a fraction of what is really going on. If Shimon would stab you once in scan, its revealed that he actually attacked you 30 times all over your body. One punch would be way more than what it looks like on a scan because they describe everything thats going on.

I mean, fucking Kizaru from One Piece in his light form is considered real light speed, but characters on GetBackers who have speed feats world above him don't count? That makes no f'n sense.

kizaru really isnt consider FTL here. i mean basic soru is faster than kizaru right now.

[Guy1]

kizaru really isnt consider FTL here. i mean basic soru is faster than kizaru right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a4I4Dwv1go
Lucci is the man.

[master of read]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a4I4Dwv1go
Lucci is the man.

no my man. lucci is the beast!!

[MasakiKurusu]

Oh no, I wasn't trying to say that Kiaru was FTL. sorry if it seemed that way. I was saying because he turns into light, when he goes into his light form, he is considered light speed. Not FTL.

[Daiyoukai Ramza]

Hrm, I think I'm gonna have to side with MasakiKurusu on this one. Regardless of the method used to create the black hole, if it has a gravitational pull intense enough to prevent light from escaping, it still functions like a black hole, albeit on a smaller scale. And if a character subsequently escapes said black hole, it's a good indicator that the character is FTL.

Plus, this is the Anime/manga board, not rumbles. So statements--well, ones that are reasonable in the context of a given series--are acceptable as indicators of a character's abilities.

In any case, the black hole thing is solid evidence that the Getbackers has FTL characters. Doesn't surprise me, given that Getbackers is a series known for its speed.

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Which begs the question: Why in the hell did I forget it in my list? Bah.

[Robotech Master]

Pull back on your argument style there Masaki. Even though we poke jabs at each other some times, this board doesn't tolerate devolving into saying things like "Because genius, I fucking said..." and telling them to shut up.

[Sound Silence]

So wait, when he consumes light and becomes an entity of pure light, he doesn't move at light speed? Because now you would be talking nonsense.

so he turns into light, swings a big sword out of light, but he's not moving at light speed? you make no sense.

He manipulates light at a slower rate? That makes no sense. Even manipulating it at a slower rate, means that the light still moves at C.


You know how laser beings in fiction never seem to move at lightspeed?

It's kind of like that.

[MasakiKurusu]

However, this is a series that revolves around quantum physics, relativity and basically science.
It would be pretty weird to think the light of all things doesn't match what this serious revolves around.

He doesn't create it. He manipulates it. The light in the environment that you see is what he manipulates. If you are looking at this screen right now, and able to turn your head and not lose sight of anything because light allows you to see. Masaki manipulates light like that.

also, when Masaki fought Raitei, he had to literally hit him at a quantum level just to damage him. I'm pretty sure he was real light.

and thus, we have guys that can not only react but move faster than his attacks. Guys that can casually escape forces that acts like a black hole. It is what it is. The evidence it all there. I'm not going to keep arguing because I'm only repeating myself now.

[cosmic eagle]

And yet it's created by a guy spinning a dense metal ring around at high speeds, not by a mass on the level of a star being crushed to subatomic point. Statements, again, are meaningless in pretty any series because they utterly contradict what is shown, as it does in the case of Yukimura's 'black hole,'

So no that's isn't a feat for FTL speed.



I dunno if you know this, but one of the suggested ways to make a Kerr metric (a spinning blackhole), is to do just that. Of course, the ring has to be majorly dense. Like, stars compressed into the size of that ring, dense.

[Nik Hasta]

Hmm, this is fiction? Lets be real.

It was stated that it is a force that acts like a black hole. It doesn't need to be supermassive. It still acts like a black hole and people could escape it thus showing their speed.

Let me see if I have this straight...

According to you, let's take an example here, when Yukihiko opened a black hole during the Venus De Milo arc, despite there being bugger all to suggest that it was an actual black hole beyond a few rocks being lifted up and shredded, when Ginji blew it up with a plasma clone this proves that his black hole required FTL speed to escape?

Am I missing something here?

Seriously, do you have anything beyond Yukihiko just saying that it could suck in light? Anything at all?

So wait, when he consumes light and becomes an entity of pure light, he doesn't move at light speed? Because now you would be talking nonsense.

so he turns into light, swings a big sword out of light, but he's not moving at light speed? you make no sense.

He manipulates light at a slower rate? That makes no sense. Even manipulating it at a slower rate, means that the light still moves at C.

Masaki hasn't demonstrated lightspeed or anything close to it. He manipulates light and when he fires beams of it you'd at least have a case for them going lightspeed, though they'd be as suspect as the 90% of all fictional lasers that blatantly move under lightspeed.

Masaki himself has not demonstrated lightspeed or beyond it.

the beam you are talking about, do you mean that when the smoke cleared Akabane clearly reacted to it as he had blocked it from all angles with his scalpels? Or the one that Akabane let hit him but yet still manged to dodged somehow? although he was like a puddle of blood.

I was referring to the latter, where Akabane is clearly unable to escape and survives on regen.

Hmm, Paul and Der Kaiser. The fight began and to people like Ban, Ginji and Kazuki (who was able to react and block Masaki's light beams twice in Vol.31) couldn't see what was happening. Once that pebble got thrown in between them, the entire area was in ruins and the two had their hands in their pockets.

The unmoving battle is not an example of lightspeed or faster than lightspeed. It's an example of amazing speed, certainly in the massively multi-mach and it's an awesome scene, but it's not FTL.

Let me ask you, Malubex, a guy who does nothing but calculations agreed about their speed, but now he is lying? The guy knew everything that was going to happen (unless Ban changed history) but he guess' their speed? Not a good argument sir.

MakubeX, a character who does not exist. Admitedly this isn't Rumbles so I can't invoke the no statements rule but I would not be inclined to take any statement of FTL in any series as gospel unless they show something pretty darn convincing to corroborate such a claim.

In the case of the Getbackers characters they have not.

Oh and only if you can cross the planet and etc then you are ftl? so unless you can do all of that over top shit, you can be recognized as FTL, but if you never shown any of that then you can't possibly be FTL? That makes no sense at all.

That's the kind of speed FTL is. If you can travel faster than light then you should be able to do that kind of stuff.

Also you say it's over the top. It's not over the top. Even moving at lightspeed someone would be able to travel around the entire planet in 0.3 of a second. Lightspeed needs to be shown by doing something insane like that.

It's not like I'm saying they are planet busters or shit, I'm stating the facts.

I find it slightly amusing how you're making out like moving FTL is any less ridiculous than blowing up a planet.

Because genius, I clearly said vol.34. Which is near the end of the series. Before Vol.30, they are not but you keep making it seem like I said the whole series!

Sorry?

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Lets see Volume 26 and 27, clearly shows the pre-GB days. Ban Mido at that point is passed lightning timing.

If Ban was "lightning timing," as you put it, from the very beginning then he should have shown it in either volume 26 or 27, the retrospective chapters set back in the very early days of the Getbackers team.

And he doesn't. At any point. So, is this a genuine oversight on your part or were you trying to distort facts?

We don't know how many punches he threw because Dokobachi said he was getting faster and faster past all possible limits so stop trying to make it seem like that was hit limit.

Yes we do because Dokubachi said so. Ban attacked him all of twice and Dokubachi narrated how many punches he'd thrown in 0.01 of a second both times and then the remains of his body flew off leaving Ban pretty pissed off.

Or are you saying we should not listen to what Dokubachi said because it suggests that Ban is not, as you have us believe, anywhere near light speed?

One, I clearly said VOL.34 is when they reach these f'n levels. When they are in the Beltline while all of time and space is collapsing.

And this is beyond Vol. 34, it's the final battle between Ban and Akabane. Paul narrates as 300 attacks given in an instant and Himioke can perceive three of them.

Himiko who was completed as the Voodoo Child does have superhuman reflexes. Once again, know your freakin knowledge. It was clearly stated in Vol. 28. She easily got to a level of where she could blitz 2 guys that were as fast as Ban and Akabane.

Ah, 28 is one of the volumes I have yet to read. Though "Know your freakin' knowledge," has some bad syntax in it. "Check your freakin' facts," may have been better.

Though, blitzed people on the level of Ban and Akabane? Well that makes no sense. Ban and Akabane make Himiko look like a joke.

You are talking to a guy that clearly knows that in the Chinese, Japanese and Australian versions they are confirm FTL. I'm not arguing this shit anymore because you obviously aren't listening.

I'm the one not listening? I'm asking for FTL feats and you don't seem to be able to provide them beyond "He was made of light," or "MakubeX said so,"

If you've got something beyond the feats you've mentioned then please feel free to the post them. Until I hear something that actually sounds convincingly concrete then I am not buying it.

[Nik Hasta]

I dunno if you know this, but one of the suggested ways to make a Kerr metric (a spinning blackhole), is to do just that. Of course, the ring has to be majorly dense. Like, stars compressed into the size of that ring, dense.

I was not aware of this, thanks for the input.

Yukihiko's ring is "over 100 kilograms," in weight.

Not nearly enough.

[Sound Silence]

However, this is a series that revolves around quantum physics, relativity and basically science.
It would be pretty weird to think the light of all things doesn't match what this serious revolves around.

He doesn't create it. He manipulates it. The light in the environment that you see is what he manipulates. If you are looking at this screen right now, and able to turn your head and not lose sight of anything because light allows you to see. Masaki manipulates light like that.

I don't see what difference this makes.


also, when Masaki fought Raitei, he had to literally hit him at a quantum level just to damage him. I'm pretty sure he was real light.

and thus, we have guys that can not only react but move faster than his attacks. Guys that can casually escape forces that acts like a black hole. It is what it is. The evidence it all there. I'm not going to keep arguing because I'm only repeating myself now.

Quitter!

[Nik Hasta]

I don't see what difference this makes.

The whole "It's based on science," thing really doesn't hold up when you have, off the top of my head, Ginji punching someone in the soul, a bug spontaneously developing super-intelligence and evolving into an evil god, a man who has a "Death Aura," someone who's blood is a flammable oil just because it is... I could go on a lot further.

Getbackers has pretentions of fact.

[MasakiKurusu]

Like I said, I'm done arguing.
Obviously you really don't know what you are talking about.
Discard all of their feats and put them at supersonic speeds. I don't really care. I know what the hell I'm talking about and I have no need to add in anything else because it will only get discarded or be credited as false by you in some form or way and I also don't want to repeat myself again...

[HectorP]

Where's quicksword Clare? :evilsmile:

Like I said, I'm done arguing.
Obviously you really don't know what you are talking about.
Discard all of their feats and put them at supersonic speeds. I don't really care. I know what the hell I'm talking about and I have no need to add in anything else because it will only get discarded or be credited as false by you in some form or way and I also don't want to repeat myself again...

He reads the series and is giving context to show for it, you'd have to post the feats he asks for. Just relying on statements without feats to give them validity isn't accepted and it's not just him. A guy made of light doesn't matter for much, you brought up Kizaru as an example when the speed he can fight and react to as a human shaped "light" construct is superfast but nowhere near lightspeed, he even creates a light sword to swing with but I've never seen anyone argue he swings at the speed of light, genuine light/laser shooting attacks are the only ones that would make sense. If you want another example, Dr. Light from DC Comics can manipulate and become light but some of his beam attacks were dodged by a street level human without FTL feats, now no one claims that person is FTL. That's why feats are needed or else we're applying a double standard.

Edit: This is all rumbles talk but I'm too used to it. :p

Saint Seiya I'm not so familiar with but I am informed it has characters travelling across large chunks of the planet in literally instants, I believe one chap went from Greece to Tibet in less than a second but I might be wrong on the specifics. Also Gold Saint Aioria with his Lightning Plasma attack, throws something 1,000,000 attacks in a second, an attack which I crunched the numbers for and that comes out at 1/2 lightspeed.

Gold Saints have travelled in Earth from Greece to the U.S., China to Greece, Greece to the Tibet (flawlessly juggling the ruling of a state in the former with the training of an apprentice in the latter), Greece to Germany, the Ganges river to an island in the Pacific and from Greece to Japan. There's not much of a given timeframe for them except being called "instantaneous movement" and being panel-to-panel fast but Aioria said he could circle Earth 7.5 times in a second if he wanted to (much slower Seiya could break the sound barrier in a 0.001 second timeframe at the start of the series) and there's a galaxies travelling feat later in the manga by several characters and groups of characters.

How did you get Aioria's speed, and did you use that single million figure for it? Because I remember it being a much higher number of attacks.

[Nik Hasta]

Gold Saints have travelled in Earth from Greece to the U.S., China to Greece, Greece to the Tibet (flawlessly juggling the ruling of a state in the former with the training of an apprentice in the latter), Greece to Germany, the Ganges river to an island in the Pacific and from Greece to Japan. There's not much of a given timeframe for them except being called "instantaneous movement" and being panel-to-panel fast but Aioria said he could circle Earth 7.5 times in a second if he wanted to (much slower Seiya could break the sound barrier in a 0.001 second timeframe at the start of the series) and there's a galaxies travelling feat later in the manga by several characters and groups of characters.

That's more like it.

How did you get Aioria's speed, and did you use that single million figure for it? Because I remember it being a much higher number of attacks.

It's 100 billion attacks per second, I find, doing some research. I worked it by working on the assumption that it was punches, which it apparently isn't, so you might want to discard my ramblings.

[HectorP]

It's 100 billion attacks per second, I find, doing some research. I worked it by working on the assumption that it was punches, which it apparently isn't, so you might want to discard my ramblings.

It is punches, unless you mean the light looking attacks but those are released from his arm every time he punches. And 100 billion, I think I've only seen that number in wikipedia. If that's what the original japanese says then damn.