Can Bishop be redeemed?

[durty dee]

Can he? I read on IGN that he killed millions of innocent people trying to kill Hope and Cable.

Is that true? Thats really bad...

[Filthy Mutie]

I read on IGN that he killed millions of innocent people trying to kill Hope and Cable.

Is that true? Thats really bad...

No, Bishop has actually killed billions of people. He basically tried to burn the whole earth down, down to the ground, so that Cable would run out of hospitable planet to time travel into.

[invisiblefive]

they could always say he was possesed by fitzroy, or a technovirus infecting his arm, or whatever. but i really hope they don't, i like him as a villain....
the archibishop managed to kill 9 billion people, destroy the entire eco system and set up a time trap without even using his super powers. and he looks cool. he's like batman gone psycho.what he did, no one else did (once again, there have been others world destroyers, but they all did using cosmic power level. he did it by human means , and smartness)
Plus, he sees himself as hero, even though he's currently about to detonate a nuclear bomb at a little girl on a lost, destroyed, air deprived, brood infested spaceship....

if they really want to reuse the hero version of bishop, the best would be to use time travel to have two bishops, one from before messiah complex, and the archi bishop from after... i hope they don't though.

[Free-Man]

They were able to rmake Hal Jordan and Jean Grey into heroes again after their transformations into Parallax and Phoenix respectively. All it would take is some writer to come up with some sort of retcon to explain Bishop's actions:

"It wasn't really Bishop, but a clone."

"He was being ind controlled."

And so on and so forth...

[timbox]

He has nothing to be redeemed for; he has done nothing wrong.

[psycwave]

I agree with timbox. His only fault is that he still hasnt killed the child yet.

He can be redeemed once Hope is dead.

[FeminineMystique]

He has nothing to be redeemed for; he has done nothing wrong.

Aside from all the mass murder and attempted child killing you mean:tongue:

[Perfection/Emma 2]

The faster he gets rid of Hope the faster EXTREME X-MEN can make a comeback. I need to see team Storm again with Rogue, Sage, Bishop, Beast, Psylocke, Lifeguard, Cannonball, and Magma. Also replace Gambit with Namor

[AcesX1X]

bishop hasn't been this interesting since never. he is fine.

[backspacer]

Bishop Was Right!

[adamisme]

the thing is he doesn't see himself as being evil, the fact is everything he is doing he belives is right and that by killing Hope will mean nothing he did will be reset, which probably won't happen. I do think eventually he'll disappear and won't be seen for years in the books and then someone will decided to bring him back and rewrite his character so be prepared for Bishop: Reborn

[darknessatnoon]

He's trying to stop a Hitler. He's doing the right thing.

[Tikal]

i like this anti-villian bishop

it leaves the potential for him to team up with the x men to help agaisnt threats he deems as evil but still leaves him open to do really horrible thing

i agree with another poster.. he's like a batman gone evil which is friggin awesome

[Prodigy55]

bishop needs to learn about time travel

[Marvelfan278]

I'd say he needs killin', if only so the Cable book has something else going on besides the whole Roadrunner/Wile E Coyote thing between Bishop and Cable.

[witness]

There are 1001 contrived ways that bishop could be redeemed so yes he can (just look at any of the other x-sinners) my moneys on cyclops waking up to find out he's been dreaming the whole thing :biggrin:

[Zetadog]

what it is will be that childhood Bishop was reacting to Archbishop all along.

It was Archbishop the whole time.

[coconutphone]

No he can't. I don't want him to either. NEVER liked the character and would like him to fade away into oblivion. Good riddance.

[Sighphi]

This Bishop sucks, he is just normal Bishop turned to 11 and it came out horrible.
Hulk turned to 11 came out good with Green Scar but Bishop went tremendously nutty to the point that it's not the same character at all.

[FeminineMystique]

No he can't. I don't want him to either. NEVER liked the character and would like him to fade away into oblivion. Good riddance.

Agreed. It's not just that he's a villain, plenty of characters I like are villains who've done plenty worse than Bishop. It's that he's so BAD at it. if you can't even kill a baby, you need to hand in your supervillain membership card and go get a real job IMO.

I loved how in Messiah War he was just everyones punching bag though. That did make me laugh:biggrin:

He's trying to stop a Hitler. He's doing the right thing.

Trying to prevent genocide by COMMITTING genocide seems to be a rather self defeating quest darling. And Bishop's future is just one possible one, we don't even know if he's right about Hope.

[HeckBoy]

I guess it helps that I don't really read anything w/ Bishop starring in it (thus his actions don't come with as much of an impact), but I think he can be redeemed sometime down the road with some major retcon. Maybe an alt-reality version was responsible for it all or something. I don't really care b/c Bishop was never a favorite of mine and I don't really miss him.

[Novaya Havoc]

This question is unanswerable. This debate rages on to this very day regarding our justice system.

I think three consecutive life sentences could help Bishop out. Maybe he can find "The Lord!" and be pardoned.

[The Black Guardian]

The only way Bishop can be redeemed is if it's revealed that it's not really him. By his actions and what we've seen of his past that runs counter to what was revealed before, it seems like we're actually dealing with a Bizarro AU Bishop.

[RolandJP]

What I love most about this thread, is most cast off X-characters are awesome Marvel U, Avengers or Hulk Characters.

Deadpool
Firestar
Bishop
Storm
Dazzler
Iceman
Beast
Angel
Juggernaut
Darkstar
Aurora
Scarlett Witch
Quicksilver


Solo minded, or independent thinkers do well outside of the X-books.

[markdienekes]

no, he can't... even if he's right, that Hope will cause the death of millions... he's already killed billions in his efforts to stop Cable and Hope... whatever justification he had, it was wiped out the moment he started killing innocents to bring about the end of the child's life.

[worstblogever]

Maybe if he pet-sits for Jesus Christ while he's on vacation, he'll owe Bishop a favor in return and offer him redemption for what he's STILL trying to do. Maybe.

[Bronze Badger]

I want a "Bishop was right" T-shirt.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/9106/bishop.jpg

[Leirus]

The only way Bishop can be redeemed is if it's revealed that it's not really him. By his actions and what we've seen of his past that runs counter to what was revealed before, it seems like we're actually dealing with a Bizarro AU Bishop.

Well, I think that if Hope manages to not kill one million humans, maybe Bishop´s future gets erased, and a new version of him can come back, without the killer intent. Contrived, but absolutly past-cleaning solution :smile:

[coconutphone]

except that alternate futures have been explained in the Marvel U as not being changeable. Everytime someone like Bishop comes back and changes something it creates a new timeline but the old one still exists.

Of course Doom has created 'Doomlocks' which protect the wearer from this and allows them to alter their own timeline. Wittle Bishy doesn't have a Doomlock so he's SOL. And an ass.

[Leirus]

except that alternate futures have been explained in the Marvel U as not being changeable. Everytime someone like Bishop comes back and changes something it creates a new timeline but the old one still exists.

Of course Doom has created 'Doomlocks' which protect the wearer from this and allows them to alter their own timeline. Wittle Bishy doesn't have a Doomlock so he's SOL. And an ass.

I dunno... I like to think that Bishop is an exception to that, because it explains better the obvious retcon of his past. He saved the X-men from "The traitor", Onslaught, thus changing his own timeline and his own past...

[mightiest_mortal]

Id love if Hope comes back as a major villain and takes on all the X-Men.

Then right before she finishes them Bishop turns up and shoots her and's like "I think people owe SOMEONE an apology..."

[Will.S]

bishop hasn't been this interesting since never. he is fine.
I found Bishop to be interesting during Claremont's X-Treme X-Men and I don't think he needed to be so morally compromised to make him interesting.

Since I stopped buying Cable for that among monetary reasons I think I'll just ride out this wave of badness that is current Bishop and wait until the real Bishop comes back.

[Mia]

There could also be a story written that explains Bishop was on a possible alternate timeline that might not necessarily come to pass, or the events of (________) have wipped out everything that he has done.


I really hope that Bishop is redeemed. I like the character alot. When I was reading the X-Men in the 90's, I thought that it was so nice to see a Black character who wasn't written like an embarassing stereotype or portrait of political correctness.

Bendis should take notes.

[Sighphi]

except that alternate futures have been explained in the Marvel U as not being changeable. Everytime someone like Bishop comes back and changes something it creates a new timeline but the old one still exists.

Of course Doom has created 'Doomlocks' which protect the wearer from this and allows them to alter their own timeline. Wittle Bishy doesn't have a Doomlock so he's SOL. And an ass.

There are currently only 2 time lines with mutants so....... he is saving one, i guess?

[Fatguy]

Biship can NOT be redeemed. He can, however, be shot in the face by Cable and/or Hope. As he should be.

[C. Earl]

I think we will see Bishop redeemed via some timey-wimey stuff and it'll eventually come down to some heavy Bishop on Bishop action.

Wait, that didn't come out right...
:eek:

[Tikal]

Id love if Hope comes back as a major villain and takes on all the X-Men.

Then right before she finishes them Bishop turns up and shoots her and's like "I think people owe SOMEONE an apology..."

my god... i just pictured that line being said in a samuel l jackson voice... and it was perhaps the greatest thing in the world

[Keldor]

NO! :biggrin:

[Monty_Cristo]

there'd be nothing more awesome than a teenaged Bishop from the future being sent back to the present to enroll as a student. it'd make up for them depowering Spyke, at least (in my mind). Shortpack i think it'd be cool if a 616 version of Blink was on that squad too.

[Personamanx]

If Shortpack can be redeemed anyone can.

[Monty_Cristo]

If Shortpack can be redeemed anyone can.

he created redemption.

[Free-Man]

there'd be nothing more awesome than a teenaged Bishop from the future being sent back to the present to enroll as a student. it'd make up for them depowering Spyke, at least (in my mind). Shortpack i think it'd be cool if a 616 version of Blink was on that squad too.

Spyke wasn't depowered. He was killed in Milligan's X-Force run.

As for Bishop, I dislike the whole villain plot point because it's a shameless rip off of the Emerald Twilight storyline from Green Lantern. The entire premise of Bishop going insane and slaughtering innocents with the intention of altering the timeline and resurrect them later is lifted from Hal Jordan.

[jarrod]

I miss Bishop the cop.

[Tikal]

Spyke wasn't depowered. He was killed in Milligan's X-Force run.

As for Bishop, I dislike the whole villain plot point because it's a shameless rip off of the Emerald Twilight storyline from Green Lantern. The entire premise of Bishop going insane and slaughtering innocents with the intention of altering the timeline and resurrect them later is lifted from Hal Jordan.

a comic book story that borrows ideas from another story... that never happens...

[Brother Justin Crowe]

This whole thing reminds me of that time Captain Sisko poisoned an entire planet to catch one dude.

Except Sisko was awesome and right, and Bishop just loves killing babies and baking them into pies.

[Majinoaw]

At least Bishop is willing to kill himself in the process. Although insane it's at least one redeeming feature. Most want to wipe out the threat and live to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Not Lucas. So there is a bit of ... awww who am I kidding...
but if Hal can be redeemed so can Lucas.

[Monty_Cristo]

Spyke wasn't depowered. He was killed in Milligan's X-Force run.

more the reason to make up for it by giving the x-books a teenaged Bishop w/o crazy-baby-killing-baggage.

[Pro]

I dunno... I like to think that Bishop is an exception to that, because it explains better the obvious retcon of his past. He saved the X-men from "The traitor", Onslaught, thus changing his own timeline and his own past...

And thus allowing the x-men to die at the hands of Onslaught and wiping out the past decade of marvel history. So no. Unless Marvel plans an uber-retcon on the scale of DC's Final Crisis Bishop cannot change his own history.

At least Bishop is willing to kill himself in the process. Although insane it's at least one redeeming feature.

Since when is suicidal selfhate a redeeming feature?

[Karl O'Neill]

I don't think Bishop can be redeemed.

Here's why:

This is not the first time Marvel and their writers have went with the GUY-FROM-FUTURE-KNOWS-STUFF-THAT-NEEDS-TO BE-CHANGED-IN THE-PAST-SO HE-NEEDS-TO DO-LOTS OF-EVIL STUFF-IN THE-PRESENT-TO FIX THE -FUTURE.

This story beat has been done to death, And unfortunately, Bishop always pulls the short straw and has to has to be the one who gets cast in these types of stories. It's a shame because I like the character. Loved him in the cartoon and like him in the comics. But it gets old fast.

[witness]

I dunno... I like to think that Bishop is an exception to that, because it explains better the obvious retcon of his past. He saved the X-men from "The traitor", Onslaught, thus changing his own timeline and his own past...

The Onslaught thing confused me, wouldn't saving the x-men mean Gambit never became Witness? In which case how could Witness save Bishop as a child?
And If Bishop wasn't saved as a child, how could he go back in time to save the x-men? The problem with time travel is paradoxes mean the whole thing is one mighty headf**k.

[Monty_Cristo]

The Onslaught thing confused me, wouldn't saving the x-men mean Gambit never became Witness? In which case how could Witness save Bishop as a child?
And If Bishop wasn't saved as a child, how could he go back in time to save the x-men? The problem with time travel is paradoxes mean the whole thing is one mighty headf**k.

alternate time line is created.

[DeadXMan]

I think the only way to redeem bisop is have crazy bishop killed by XSF bishop before he comes back to the past.

[witness]

alternate time line is created.
So we're back to the parallel universe's theory. Even more of a headf**k, every single decision or action played out in an Infinite number of ways. :biggrin:

[witness]

I think the only way to redeem bisop is have crazy bishop killed by XSF bishop before he comes back to the past.

It would be an easy way to reset the character.

[Majinoaw]

I think the only way to redeem bisop is have crazy bishop killed by XSF bishop before he comes back to the past.

Yeah, but that's not going to happen. Bishop is going to lose a leg next though. You guys watch and see.

[DeadXMan]

Yeah, but that's not going to happen. Bishop is going to lose a leg next though. You guys watch and see.

Bishop: it's only a flesh wound.
Cable: you got no arms!
Bishop: I'm invincible!
Hope: your a loony.

[witness]

Bishop: it's only a flesh wound.
Cable: you got no arms!
Bishop: I'm invincible!
Hope: your a loony.

Just how good would a python take on the X-men be :biggrin:

[DeadXMan]

pure awesomeness, that what.

:smile:

[mikekerr3]

Well, I think that if Hope manages to not kill one million humans, maybe Bishop´s future gets erased, and a new version of him can come back, without the killer intent. Contrived, but absolutly past-cleaning solution :smile:

Even if Hope kills a million humans Bishop will still be wrong since he has murdered at least 8 Billion humans.

He has murdered more than every other sick genocidal bastard in history combined and he makes the worst monster of the 20th century look like petty criminals.

[mikekerr3]

Id love if Hope comes back as a major villain and takes on all the X-Men.

Then right before she finishes them Bishop turns up and shoots her and's like "I think people owe SOMEONE an apology..."

And then they remind him that he murdered 8 billion ib cold blood and take him out.:tongue:

[darknessatnoon]

Even if Hope kills a million humans Bishop will still be wrong since he has murdered at least 8 Billion humans.

He has murdered more than every other sick genocidal bastard in history combined and he makes the worst monster of the 20th century look like petty criminals.

I'm glad you felt the need to comment. Murder = Bad. Gotcha.

[chrissstopher]

Bishop is dumb... all he has to do is make sure that Cable and Hope can't go back in time... he doesnt have to kill her or Cable. Trap her in the future and you win...

[darknessatnoon]

Bishop is dumb... all he has to do is make sure that Cable and Hope can't go back in time... he doesnt have to kill her or Cable. Trap her in the future and you win...

What if one of her powers is time travel, like Rachel Summers?

[chrissstopher]

What if one of her powers is time travel, like Rachel Summers?

Ugh... we don't know her powers yet... and neither does he... good point.

[jarrod]

All Phoenix can time travel. Hope's not gonna be much different.

[Free-Man]

Even if Hope kills a million humans Bishop will still be wrong since he has murdered at least 8 Billion humans.

He has murdered more than every other sick genocidal bastard in history combined and he makes the worst monster of the 20th century look like petty criminals.

Withot some sort of Hal Jordan-esque retcon, I don't see him being redeemed, but I can't really call him a villain either. He clearly doesn't know that his actions won't change his future (or is too cray to realize it), and like others have said, he thinks if he kills Hope, it will negate all the innocent people he's murdered.

[ClanAskani]

Bishop is dumb... all he has to do is make sure that Cable and Hope can't go back in time... he doesnt have to kill her or Cable. Trap her in the future and you win...

Actually, the easiest thing Bishop could have done is prevent Hope from being born. (Unless she was born in some crazy immactulate concept fashion.)
If she was born naturally, prevent her parents from meeting or do something to her mother or father to make them sterile.

There's a lot of other ways Bishop could have stopped Hope that don't involve killing her, depending on what she does. If she can't control her abilities and blows up people, then her existing is the problem. But if she turns evil and kills people, then prevent her from going evil.

I wonder if this is all turning out like that stupid plot in Charmed where Chris goes back in time to stop Wyatt from turning evil and in the end it turns out that Wyatt turned evil because a "good" guy tried to kill him because he was afraid a little baby was too powerful.

After all the trauma Hope is been through thanks to Bishop, she's bound to be a nutcase.

[Monty_Cristo]

why doesn't Bishop tackle a real problem like premarital sex and bring good christian values back to the x-books? Shortpack.

[NickThompson]

He killed millions, but they are millions who wouldn't exist if he saved the world by killing the person who caused the bad world he came from.



Can he be redeemed? I don't know, depends how you look at what redemption would mean. If Hope turns out bad it's less of an issue :smile:

There's wether he needs redemption too, he could be a grey character who goes to extreme measures.

[Monty_Cristo]

He killed millions, but they are millions who wouldn't exist if he saved the world by killing the person who caused the bad world he came from.



Can he be redeemed? I don't know, depends how you look at what redemption would mean. If Hope turns out bad it's less of an issue :smile:

There's wether he needs redemption too, he could be a grey character who goes to extreme measures.

maybe Hope gives birth to baby Hitler and sends him into the past to protect her child from Bishop. that would be a kick in the tuckus.

[Henry T.]

They'll probably do something incredibly stupid like say that he is really Xorn pretending to be Bishop pretending to be Xorn pretending to be Bishop.

[mikekerr3]

He killed millions, but they are millions who wouldn't exist if he saved the world by killing the person who caused the bad world he came from.



Can he be redeemed? I don't know, depends how you look at what redemption would mean. If Hope turns out bad it's less of an issue :smile:

There's wether he needs redemption too, he could be a grey character who goes to extreme measures.

Genocide is a gray area? When he murdered them they did exist and did feel the pain he inflicted, In the MU change the past doesn't detroy the other time lines anyway; Bishop is now less gray than Trask, Osborn or Bullseye, since they are far less destructive and have done far less evil that Bishop has.

And make that billions he's killed three orders of magnitude are a non-trivial difference

[mikekerr3]

maybe Hope gives birth to baby Hitler and sends him into the past to protect her child from Bishop. that would be a kick in the tuckus.

In the books Bishop has killed thousands of times more that Hitler did,