The end of Utopia spoiled!

[theXfactor]

This preview gave it all away:
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/125197958021142.htm
:eek:

[ExodusCloak]

I can't see that last page. This is a conspiracy.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I don't get where the actual spoilers are...?

[Omega Alpha]

That doesn't mean it's what actually happened, only that Osborn is spinning the story this way. There's no actual X-man there on the preview, and we know already what happens post-Utopia. The premise of The List: X-men also is that Osborn is completely mad at the X-men and denouncing their existence, something that wouldn't happen if they were under control.

[ExodusCloak]

I can't access that last page, but Norman knows about House of M. Human/Mutant relations are going back to the stone age with that and if X-Force is also going to be revealed then that's even worse news.

[RoguefanAM]

I agree with Alpha. I think Osborn's just spinning it this way because of his pride.

If the mutants were really confined, it'd be hard for a lot teams to operate on missions. We already know Necrosha seems like it'll be happening outside of Nation X.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I just meant that the notion of a mutant nation and Osborn pretending everything is fine hardly should come off as a surprise to anyone who paid attention. :wink:

[Prodigy55]

Can anyone see that last page?

[infernohara]

Your Osborn hate is sickening.

[ExodusCloak]

Your Osborn hate is sickening.

It doesn't look like anyone was thrown off a bridge. And the damage to the island looks minimalistic. Also the X-Men seem to be living it up in X-Men Legacy. What did Osborn achieve? He's incompetent his Dark X-Men leader made him look like a clown in front of the media.

[worstblogever]

How does one "confine" a group with so many teleporters to an island, exactly?

Spin. Damage Control.

[ExodusCloak]

How does one "confine" a group with so many teleporters to an island, exactly?

Spin. Damage Control.

They confined themselves to the island...that's what you call spin. Although the X-Men pretty much told the public that they're confining themselves to the island.

[darknessatnoon]

The X-Men living on an ugly chunk of asteroid (where they can't even grow flowers or crops) is not a victory.

[Omega Alpha]

How does one "confine" a group with so many teleporters to an island, exactly?

Spin. Damage Control.

Even better: how do you confine in an island someone that happens to be the King of the Seas? That would be like put Dust in a prison in the middle of the desert.

[ExodusCloak]

The X-Men living on an ugly chunk of asteroid (where they can't even grow flowers or crops) is not a victory.

Will they use Surge to power their base? What about indoor plumbing and fresh water? Or supplies?

[darknessatnoon]

Will they use Surge to power their base? What about indoor plumbing and fresh water? Or supplies?

Who knows? At least the Inhumans are prepared to live on hostile alien rock. Cyclops wishes he were Blackbolt.

[Filthy Mutie]

I do, however, like that Hawkeye snaps because of Osborn doing something to the X-Men. Someone outside of the x-books gives a rip? Sweet.

[worstblogever]

They confined themselves to the island...that's what you call spin. Although the X-Men pretty much told the public that they're confining themselves to the island.

It's the same thing that happened after Decimation, save that the X-Men have picked their location, rather than just got walled up at the mansion, and there's no O.N.E. Sentinels on the lawn watching them naked in the shower, or doing calisthenics.

The X-Men living on an ugly chunk of asteroid (where they can't even grow flowers or crops) is not a victory.

Yeah. Cyclops is reminding me of the phrase, "King S*** of Turd Island" right about now.

Even better: how do you confine in an island someone that happens to be the King of the Seas? That would be like put Dust in a prison in the middle of the desert.

Heh. Love that metaphor. Well played.

[darknessatnoon]

I do, however, like that Hawkeye snaps because of Osborn doing something to the X-Men. Someone outside of the x-books gives a rip? Sweet.

He already snapped about this. As usual, the New Avengers are sitting around and bickering.

[worstblogever]

Who knows? At least the Inhumans are prepared to live on hostile alien rock. Cyclops wishes he were Blackbolt.

Because Black Bolt is getting to spend quality time with his little brother Gabriel?

[Omega Alpha]

Will they use Surge to power their base? Will Pixie and Dazzler be the only form of entertainment? What happened to Emma's wardrobe is that why she has to wear her underwear in X-Men Legacy? What about indoor plumbing and fresh water? Or supplies?

Well, Cable's nation seemed to do just fine.

And for supplies, Wakanda can give a helping hand.

[Personamanx]

Will they use Surge to power their base? What about indoor plumbing and fresh water? Or supplies?

Yes. Surge will Supply all of those things.

[ExodusCloak]

Well, Cable's nation seemed to do just fine.

And for supplies, Wakanda can give a helping hand.

Scott forgot all of Emma's stuff back at the base. All he brought was her expensive underwear and those kiki whatever you call it stockings.

[Omega Alpha]

Who knows? At least the Inhumans are prepared to live on hostile alien rock. Cyclops wishes he were Blackbolt.

He doesn't strike me as the suicidal type.


I do, however, like that Hawkeye snaps because of Osborn doing something to the X-Men. Someone outside of the x-books gives a rip? Sweet.

Yeah, that was nice.

[quillero]

Because Black Bolt is getting to spend quality time with his little brother Gabriel?

Nope. Because he found a ginger that doesn't go around kissing other guys.

[Filthy Mutie]

He already snapped about this. As usual, the New Avengers are sitting around and bickering.

Oh, right. I forgot they're basically divorced, but no one has filed papers yet.

[infernohara]

Who knows? At least the Inhumans are prepared to live on hostile alien rock. Cyclops wishes he were Blackbolt.

Please. Cyclops is waaay smarter than Black bolt according to Fraction. This was all part of the plan. This will be Inhumans: Alone and done right.

[ExodusCloak]

Please. Cyclops is waaay smarter than Black bolt according to Fraction. This was all part of the plan. This will be Inhumans: Alone and done right.

Yes Armor and Pixie will be worshiping Scotts plan when they're busy scrubbing the toilets.

[worstblogever]

Nope. Because he found a ginger that doesn't go around kissing other guys.

This post is full of win. This thread just cannot miss right now.

[infernohara]

Yes Armor and Pixie will be worshiping Scotts plan when they're busy scrubbing the toilets.

Sorry. It will Pixie and Armor making Dazzler and Northsatr clean the toilets. Pixie is 3rd in command after all.

[ExodusCloak]

Sorry. It will Pixie and Armor making Dazzler and Northsatr clean the toilets. Pixie is 3rd in command after all.

At least Karma's role doing laundry won't change. Heck since Scotts plan was so secret and no one brought any clothes we might see more of her cause they'll be less things to wash. With all this free time maybe she'll start eating again?

[FeminineMystique]

It doesn't look like anyone was thrown off a bridge. And the damage to the island looks minimalistic. Also the X-Men seem to be living it up in X-Men Legacy. What did Osborn achieve? He's incompetent his Dark X-Men leader made him look like a clown in front of the media.

That's what happens when you put Norman "cukoo for coco-puffs" Osborn in charge. The guy couldn't even kill a teenager in tights, of course he can't deal with mutants.

[ExodusCloak]

Does this also mean that 200 mutants >> Then Atlanteans? The Atlanteans didn't last 2 pages against the Sentry.

[infernohara]

That's what happens when you put Norman "cukoo for coco-puffs" Osborn in charge. The guy couldn't even kill a teenager in tights, of course he can't deal with mutants.

I fail to see anyone else in Norman's place doing any better. Dr. Doom taking on the x-men will make him look like an idiot as well.

At least norman has made the Marvel Universe very interesting.

[darknessatnoon]

I fail to see anyone else in Norman's place doing any better. Dr. Doom taking on the x-men will make him look like an idiot as well.

At least norman has made the Marvel Universe very interesting.

Norman is making a list and checking it twice, which is more than Tony Stark ever did.

[worstblogever]

Norman is making a list and checking it twice, which is more than Tony Stark ever did.

He was way too drunk to read the list once, let alone twice. He had the armor do it for him.

[Somebody]

Will they use Surge to power their base?

She doesn't generate electricity, she absorbs power from electrical cables/appliances/etc. If you used her as an electrical generator with nothing to recharge her, she'd be effectively depowered fairly quickly.

[Monty_Cristo]

Will they use Surge to power their base? What about indoor plumbing and fresh water? Or supplies?

mutants don't poop. their bodies recycle waste and turn it into potpourri.

[Marvelfan278]

I really hope this hasn't gone Norman's way because while I know Osborn's heading for a fall sooner or later but I am tired of him winning through every fucking thing he gets into. X-Men need to hand him his ass and they have more than enough power to do it, It's going to be some serious writer/editor influence if Osborn just pulls another win here because really, what's left of the Dark X-Men and the DA are lightweights compared to X-Nation.

[Gene M.]

Norman is making a list and checking it twice, which is more than Tony Stark ever did.

Conquer Dildo Island
???
Profit!

[Justin K.]

I really like this art.

[Perfection/Emma 2]

These preview sure did give something away...THAT NORMAN OSBORN LOST HIS FIGHT AGAINST THE X-MEN

First of all where is Moonstone, Bullseye, Marvel Boy, Sentry, and Daken? Seen like according to Dark X-Men and New Avengers, the only people left on Norman's side are Ares, Mystique, Mimic, Dark Beast, and Omega Weapon for everyone else either was killed by Pixie or left Norman high and dry

[Leirus]

So the X-men got away but Osborn managed to convince the mass media that the asteroid island whatever M is a mutant prision...

I am surprised about Osborn saying he would have killed Wanda to avoid the M-day. Not about killing Wanda, he throwns women from high places for sport, but about avoiding M-day...

[pharoahe22]

Are you guys absolutely sure it's just spin? That wouldn't really make sense, because how would Wolverine not be able to meet up with the New Avengers if it was just spin? They said he was trapped there.

[infernohara]

Are you guys absolutely sure it's just spin? That wouldn't really make sense, because how would Wolverine not be able to meet up with the New Avengers if it was just spin? They said he was trapped there.

Wolverine hasn't been on the team since he left for Utopia. He wasn't there in their current situation. So the New Avengers are just gonna have to do without him.

Still to early to tell what happened for now. Even if they are "stuck on the island" San Fran loves them so their teleporters can easily get them where they want to.

[pharoahe22]

Wolverine hasn't been on the team since he left for Utopia. He wasn't there in their current situation. So the New Avengers are just gonna have to do without him.

Still to early to tell what happened for now. Even if they are "stuck on the island" San Fran loves them so their teleporters can easily get them where they want to.

Yeah that's what I'm saying though...Wolverine was with the New Avengers, left to go help out with Utopia, and hasn't been back to check in with them. I'm assuming that Dark Reign Avengers: The List takes place after the current New Avengers arc because of Luke's injury. That means that Logan has probably been trapped there for a little bit...at least a couple of weeks. They seemed positive that he was trapped and he needed to be broken out. That's what the New Avengers were saying...they were like "Let's go rescue our friends". I'm thinking that the teleporters might be incapacitated or locked up...I think this preview did spoil Utopia's ending...at least as far as the outcome of the battle.

[mightiest_mortal]

Im not sure imprisoning all of the worlds mutants on one island is going to politically do him much good.
I'm thinking it's just spin, and at the very most will be similar to the whole ONE sentinel thing, where theyre guarding them "for their own good"

[infernohara]

Yeah that's what I'm saying though...Wolverine was with the New Avengers, left to go help out with Utopia, and hasn't been back to check in with them. I'm assuming that Dark Reign Avengers: The List takes place after the current New Avengers arc because of Luke's injury. That means that Logan has probably been trapped there for a little bit...at least a couple of weeks. They seemed positive that he was trapped and he needed to be broken out. That's what the New Avengers were saying...they were like "Let's go rescue our friends". I'm thinking that the teleporters might be incapacitated or locked up...I think this preview did spoil Utopia's ending...at least as far as the outcome of the battle.

That would require norman to take the deal with Harrow. If he does, then the X-men would truly be stuck on that Island. It would make sense since the Dark X-men handled everything for Norman while he and his team were handling the Avengers.

If the X-men did win and this was spin in Norman's favor it wouldn't make much sense to me. The X-men can just go to and from the island as they please and the media would see this as a problem which Norman would have to re-tackle. If the X-men wanted to be left alone why stay in America with their rules?

[ExodusCloak]

Yeah that's what I'm saying though...Wolverine was with the New Avengers, left to go help out with Utopia, and hasn't been back to check in with them. I'm assuming that Dark Reign Avengers: The List takes place after the current New Avengers arc because of Luke's injury. That means that Logan has probably been trapped there for a little bit...at least a couple of weeks. They seemed positive that he was trapped and he needed to be broken out. That's what the New Avengers were saying...they were like "Let's go rescue our friends". I'm thinking that the teleporters might be incapacitated or locked up...I think this preview did spoil Utopia's ending...at least as far as the outcome of the battle.

From the looks of X-Men Legacy the X-Men hardly look trapped, they might be busy in Necrosha. The X-Men: The list is supposed to be Namor centric maybe he'll deal with the loss of his Kingdom.

[IvCNuB4]

Can anyone see that last page?


http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=1271&page=11

[infernohara]

Interesting. Oh and thanks for that Ultimate clip!!

Clint is sinking further and further into this mess. Not only are Luke and Wolverine off their game, Norman has slowly taken Clint out as well.

[Deus ex Chris]

That preview makes me wish Norman would toss Clint Barton off a bridge.

[pharoahe22]

Interesting. Oh and thanks for that Ultimate clip!!

Clint is sinking further and further into this mess. Not only are Luke and Wolverine off their game, Norman has slowly taken Clint out as well.

I wouldn't say Luke & Wolverine are off of their game...You see Wolverine taking out Weapon Omega in one of the previews...they might have just been out-gunned, that's all. If the Sentry takes out Namor, who's really going to stop him, outside of Thor, the Blue Marvel, etc.? Clint is going a little crazy with this whole thing though...

[timbox]

That preview makes me wish Norman would toss Clint Barton off a bridge.

He is being a big drama queen.

[mightiest_mortal]

That preview makes me wish Norman would toss Clint Barton off a bridge.

not me. Im hoping Norman bites it (which he wont). Dark Reign makes no sense as it is, and its already going on too long.

(Norman, a known mass murderer, knocks out an alien leader and so is made head of the whole country's security? That would be like Josef Fritzel punching out Gary Glitter and the country putting him in charge of all child services and child welfare.)

[quillero]

That preview makes me wish Norman would toss Clint Barton off a bridge.

A guy that left his wife because she wouldn't save her raper is now advocating murder, and we're suppossed to accept it as character development because he's stressed.

Bendis can't write the Avengers for shit.

[ExodusCloak]

A guy that left his wife because she wouldn't save her raper is now advocating murder, and we're suppossed to accept it as character development because he's stressed.

Bendis can't write the Avengers for shit.

Bendis needs Greg Land as his artist that way all his characters can look and sound the same.

[infernohara]

I wouldn't say Luke & Wolverine are off of their game...You see Wolverine taking out Weapon Omega in one of the previews...they might have just been out-gunned, that's all. If the Sentry takes out Namor, who's really going to stop him, outside of Thor, the Blue Marvel, etc.? Clint is going a little crazy with this whole thing though...

Exodus happens before the list. Wolverine took out Omega (maybe) before what is happening in this book. As for Sentry, he may or maynot make an appearance.......Norman rarely uses this guy unless hes smart and Norman is acting all gobliny right now. Clint is to passionate about the Osborn issue. Hes fighting a losing battle and looking rather stupid on TV. Norman has already beaten clint....he wasn't even a variable.

As for being head of state, anybody could of gotten that position if they'd kill the skrull queen. Apparently there was a real secret secret way to kill her. Since heroes don't use guns they were screwed from the beginning. Norman has been proving himself in the public eye for awhile so being ruled by a reformed psychopath or by aliens that would use you as cattle isn't an easy decision. Also I wonder if Namor found out that Norman killed all his Atlantis sleeper agents.

[pharoahe22]

A guy that left his wife because she wouldn't save her raper is now advocating murder, and we're suppossed to accept it as character development because he's stressed.

Bendis can't write the Avengers for shit.

I tend to agree that Bendis writes people out of character a lot, but this might not necessarily be one of those occassions. After all, Clint died twice...I can see how that would change someone's opinion about how everything works...

[mightiest_mortal]

. As for Sentry, he may or maynot make an appearance.......Norman rarely uses this guy unless hes smart and Norman is acting all gobliny right now.

He's just using standard Sentry tactics :

Step 1)Leave Sentry moping about somewhere.
Step 2)When nearly defeated call in Sentry to go all Deus Ex Machina and beat everyone over a few panels.

[Omega Alpha]

Wolverine hasn't been on the team since he left for Utopia. He wasn't there in their current situation. So the New Avengers are just gonna have to do without him.


Or...he appears during the issue, explaining the situation and helping the Avengers.


If the X-men did win and this was spin in Norman's favor it wouldn't make much sense to me. The X-men can just go to and from the island as they please and the media would see this as a problem which Norman would have to re-tackle. If the X-men wanted to be left alone why stay in America with their rules?

The media simply doesn't know the X-men can leave the island as they please yet. Since Osborn, according to Fraction, is "completely mad" about what happened in Utopia, is accusing the X-men of all sorts of things, etc, I imagine the X-men issue of the list will deal with this.

A guy that left his wife because she wouldn't save her raper is now advocating murder, and we're suppossed to accept it as character development because he's stressed.

Bendis can't write the Avengers for shit.

Yeah: it's completely ridicuous the idea someone that dies TWICE, in both times killer by one of his best friends, might change, and consider the murder of a murderous mad man who is a danger to the entire world:rolleyes:

[ankushm999]

Bendis needs Greg Land as his artist that way all his characters can look and sound the same.

LMAOO :biggrin: