Why is Magneto the only mutant that uses his power on a global scale?

[ProfeZZor X]

...First off, for those of you thinking that this is another excuse to discuss Iceman's abilities, you're wrong... (and who cares what you think anyway).

On rare occasions over the years, I've seen mutants use their powers to affect a large population of people within a certain radius, but very rarely have I see it done on a global scale. It makes sense for Magneto to be able to affect the planet due to the nature of his abilities and the composition of the planet which he inhabits, but for everyone else that either equally as powerful, or has powers that could potentially affect the world - be it hero or villain, there are very few. And for that matter, why haven't the X-Men done so in the past if the situation calls for it?

Then I started thinking about Rogues abilities, and what would happen if everyone on the planet held hands simultaneously, and she touched the nearest person... Would she absorb everyone, or just that one person...

On a clear night with very little atmosphere to interfere, could Cyclop's optic beam reach the moon and effectively push it away from the earth, or an impending asteroid...

If Gambit were to take hold of a communications line and charge it, would it be possible for him to blow up practically every household on the planet?

...And so on. But you get the point.

It has nothing to do with secondary abilities, power boosts or anything like that. It's more or less a question of if any singular mutant is powerful enough to use their existing abilities to "change the world", In a positive or negative way.

[worstblogever]

Storm's hurricane, back during the Doom/Arcade saga?
Wanda, in House of M?
Xavier, uniting all Earth's minds against the Z'Nox?
X-Man, in X-Man #75?


Just a few examples.


But let me guess. You're upset that Iceman hasn't done so yet. He's an underachiever. That's his character. That's why.

[darknessatnoon]

Then I started thinking about Rogues abilities, and what would happen if everyone on the planet held hands simultaneously, and she touched the nearest person... Would she absorb everyone, or just that one person...


LOL

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[quillero]

Storm's hurricane, back during the Doom/Arcade saga?
Wanda, in House of M?
Xavier, uniting all Earth's minds against the Z'Nox?
X-Man, in X-Man #75?


Just a few examples.


But let me guess. You're upset that Iceman hasn't done so yet. He's an underachiever. That's his character. That's why.

Didn't Storm took Cyclops' plane down in America while being in Africa?

[Nyssane]

What about that time Siena Blaze almost destroyed the planet with her mutant powers?

[worstblogever]

Didn't Storm took Cyclops' plane down in America while being in Africa?

Add it to the pile, but yes. During Yost's miniseries, that happened.

[ProfeZZor X]

Storm's hurricane, back during the Doom/Arcade saga?
Wanda, in House of M?
Xavier, uniting all Earth's minds against the Z'Nox?
X-Man, in X-Man #75?


Just a few examples.


But let me guess. You're upset that Iceman hasn't done so yet. He's an underachiever. That's his character. That's why.

You clearly didn't read my opening statement...

[worstblogever]

You clearly didn't read my opening statement...

You're transparent, even with a disclaimer.

Look, here's the reason. If mutants went around effing with the entire world, on a global scale, every damn day, it'd get routine. Nobody reading would feel those moments of power had any impact. And that goes for any character. It's overpowered. Nothing would be constant. Everything would be in flux.

And, the level of paranoia and fear that the human populace had for people, knowing that they could alter the circumstances of their existence, globally at any moment? A world that hates and fear them would collective s*** themselves and light up fires to burn all mutants in.

So that's why.

[Filthy Mutie]

EDIT: Nevermind. This is dumb.

[Goshin]

Actually, rogue can. Nighcrawler wrapped his tail around cyclops head and kissed rogue and she absorbed both their powers

[AcesX1X]

i also wonder if cyclops could push away the moon with his optic beams, profeZZor x.

[Nicoclaws]

Storm's hurricane, back during the Doom/Arcade saga?
Wanda, in House of M?
Xavier, uniting all Earth's minds against the Z'Nox?
X-Man, in X-Man #75?


Just a few examples.


But let me guess. You're upset that Iceman hasn't done so yet. He's an underachiever. That's his character. That's why.

Sage becoming ruler of the Multiverse.

[worstblogever]

Sage becoming ruler of the Multiverse.

That was more of Roma's doing though, wasn't it?

[ProfeZZor X]

You're transparent, even with a disclaimer.

Look, here's the reason. If mutants went around effing with the entire world, on a global scale, every damn day, it'd get routine. Nobody reading would feel those moments of power had any impact. And that goes for any character. It's overpowered. Nothing would be constant. Everything would be in flux.

And, the level of paranoia and fear that the human populace had for people, knowing that they could alter the circumstances of their existence, globally at any moment? A world that hates and fear them would collective s*** themselves and light up fires to burn all mutants in.

So that's why.

You assume too much...

Common sense would tell anyone that writers wouldn't write their stories in such a way on a monthly or even yearly basis. But once in a while it would make sense to instill more fear into humans, giving them yet another reason to fear them. But then that's not what I proposed. You've apparently miscontrued the purpose of my thread which was asking if it was possible for some mutants to affect the world on a global scale with their existing powers... Not if it should be done.

I swear, the lack of reading comprehension astounds me in this forum.

[Valeria Kementari]

Ororo's hyperstorms in recent Uncanny 455-459 come to mind... you see that is a goddess in action :D

Also let us remember Joseph, who is one with the electromagnetic field nowadays, he uses his powers on a planetary escale all the time every single day. And we cannot forget when Darkstar covered the world in darkness that one time in Defenders/Champions v2 #123

[darknessatnoon]

Storm could stop global warming, however she chooses not to - much as T'Challa refuses to release the cure for cancer.

[coveredinbees]

That was more of Roma's doing though, wasn't it?
Only Sage's computer mind could handle it.

Didn't Legion cause AoA? That was world changing.

[worstblogever]

Only Sage's computer mind could handle it.

Didn't Legion cause AoA? That was world changing.

Time travel angle altering the past, more than his powers, but yes.


Now Fitzroy... that guy counts.

[Valeria Kementari]

You assume too much...

Common sense would tell anyone that writers wouldn't write their stories in such a way on a monthly or even yearly basis. But once in a while it would make sense to instill more fear into humans, giving them yet another reason to fear them. But then that's not what I proposed. You've apparently miscontrued the purpose of my thread which was asking if it was possible for some mutants to affect the world on a global scale... Not if it should be done.

I swear, the lack of reading comprehension astounds me in this forum.

You starting a thread with "this is not about Iceman" is just as believable as if I started a thread with "this is not about bashing Cyclops" or something like that. :rolleyes:

You shouldn't placed that line about it not being about Iceman, because it shows that deep down, you want it to be about Iceman...

[AcesX1X]

if galactus put the earth into a giant water bucket in space, i bet iceman could seal it inside an icecube.

[ExodusCloak]

Kitty phased a bullet through the Earth...Does that count? Or does she need to phase the Earth?

[darknessatnoon]

Kitty phased a bullet through the Earth...Does that count? Or does she need to phase the Earth?

Once when she phased through the earth, she nearly destroyed its climate.

Something similar happened when Storm and Rachel became Sauroids.

[Valeria Kementari]

Kitty phased a bullet through the Earth...Does that count? Or does she need to phase the Earth?

did she phase the bullet through the earth or did she make the earth intangible for the bullet to pass through? That, is the question.

And didn't gambit once almost destroyed allt he world? Well it wasn't really him, it was his alternate reality version "The new Son" or sun, or whatever, but it was Gambit.
And what about GOD FRANKLIN who even created a pocket reality himself to save the Avengers and the FF??

To put things simple, alpha mutants like Rogue, Psylocke, Cyclops or Wolverine do not have the necessary power to affect the entire Earth/mankind, it takes an OMEGA mutant to do that, and we all know who is in that little list.

[Filthy Mutie]

But once in a while it would make sense to instill more fear into humans, giving them yet another reason to fear them.

Maybe, but isolated incidents seem to work just fine. Take a trip through the last ten or so years and see how the landscape has changed without the use of super-powers.

[AcesX1X]

i also fear what would happen to the planet if magma stepped on yellowstone supervolcano (http://www.earthmountainview.com/yellowstone/yellowstone.htm)?

[ExodusCloak]

Once when she phased through the earth, she nearly destroyed its climate.

Something similar happened when Storm and Rachel became Sauroids.

Oh okay, is that another one of Claremonts favourite plots? Or does he just hate the climate?

[Filthy Mutie]

Oh okay, is that another one of Claremonts favourite plots? Or does he just hate the climate?

It's either something to do with BDSM or social commentary. Maybe both.

On a related note, how many mutants have we seen use the "focused totality" of their power?

[ProfeZZor X]

Maybe, but isolated incidents seem to work just fine. Take a trip through the last ten or so years and see how the landscape has changed without the use of super-powers.

Speaking of "changing landscape" a perfect example of this would have been for Cyclops to recruit both Magma and Avalanche to excavate Asteroid M from the ocean depths, instead of using Beast's science team (or technology) to do so. I mean if Scott is already pissing in humanity's face for how they're treating mutants, then why not show them how powerful mutants really are by using mutant's powers to make themselves a self-reliant nation.

[darknessatnoon]

It's either something to do with BDSM or social commentary. Maybe both.

On a related note, how many mutants have we seen use the "focused totality" of their power?

Psylocke also effect things on a global scale by using her focused totality during the Psi-War.

[ExodusCloak]

It's either something to do with BDSM or social commentary. Maybe both.

On a related note, how many mutants have we seen use the "focused totality" of their power?

Indominable wills. I always laugh when they are dominated.

[Puunk]

Why does Storm choose not to stop global warming?

I'm assuming it's because she wants the rest of the world to learn to take care of itself.

[Kasper Cole]

did she phase the bullet through the earth or did she make the earth intangible for the bullet to pass through? That, is the question

She phased the bullet. Keep in mind she was stuck inside of the bullet and couldn't get out of it by phasing through it because of something odd about the alien metal. In order for her to phase the planet she'd have to be in direct contact with it or have learned to make things intangible from a distance via secondary mutation.

[quillero]

Why does Storm choose not to stop global warming?


Then she wouldn't have time to watch Oprah.

[ExodusCloak]

Psylocke also effect things on a global scale by using her focused totality during the Psi-War.

Do you have a scan of the event being explained in Gen X...cause I have a funny feeling that Shadow Kings trap amplifies it a trillion times and it's insinuated to be universal there.

Just wanted to compare it to this:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5462/xmen07722um8.jpg

[Prodigy55]

Cable saved the world many times.

[darknessatnoon]

Do you have a scan of the event being explained in Gen X...cause I have a funny feeling that Shadow Kings trap amplifies it a trillion times and it's insinuated to be universal there.

Just wanted to compare it to this:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5462/xmen07722um8.jpg

Sorry. I stopped reading Gen X after the third issue, I think.

[ExodusCloak]

Sorry. I stopped reading Gen X after the third issue, I think.

Ah, alright. :tongue:

Don't have access to my comics at the moment but found it, was right.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1305

[coveredinbees]

Do you have a scan of the event being explained in Gen X...cause I have a funny feeling that Shadow Kings trap amplifies it a trillion times and it's insinuated to be universal there.

Just wanted to compare it to this:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5462/xmen07722um8.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3525/generationx4208.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8729/generationx4209.jpg

[Imraith Nimphais]

To remain on-topic...Iceman could become part of every body of water the planet and clean-up oilspills, and rubbish, and radioactive spills, and stop the polar icecaps from melting and suich like...but does he do it?...nope...the selfish git.

[ExodusCloak]

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3525/generationx4208.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8729/generationx4209.jpg

Thanks :tongue:

[BBeeryan]

Storm could stop global warming, however she chooses not to - much as T'Challa refuses to release the cure for cancer.
And Sage could command the multiverse to heal itself, but she doesn't do it. Why is that?
Why does Storm choose not to stop global warming?

I'm assuming it's because she wants the rest of the world to learn to take care of itself.
She's waiting until they really ned her, so they will forever be in debt to Wakanda, and most importantly its Queen. HA!

[timbox]

And Sage could command the multiverse to heal itself, but she doesn't do it. Why is that?


She's stuck in a wall. Not that she cares enough about most of those universes to 'heal' them.

[ZNOP]

Although, not Earth Jean united the minds -- of the Beginagains, Chosen, and Rejects -- indeed the entire planet against the Celestials thus, preventing Arishim from destroying the it. "Judgment War" in X-factor #50 (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/9/95/Xfactor50.jpg/394px-Xfactor50.jpg)" That should count as a global feat:cool:

[Bronze Badger]

Although, not Earth Jean united the minds -- of the Beginagains, Chosen, and Rejects --

Bennigans used to have good food, then it just went to hell.

[coconutphone]

Bennigans used to have good food, then it just went to hell.

Hennignas: the no smell, no tell scotch.

[ZNOP]

Bennigans used to have good food, then it just went to hell.

corny Adj. 1. - dull and tiresome but with pretensions of significance or originality; "bromidic sermons"
platitudinal, platitudinous, bromidic, unoriginal - not original; not being or productive of something fresh and unusual; "the manuscript contained unoriginal emendations"; "his life had been unoriginal, conforming completely to the given pattern"- Gwethalyn Graham

[Valeria Kementari]

Question, has the global warming ever been addressed in Marvel comics? If it hasn't been mentioned ever, can we be 100% positive that Ororo didn't heal it already? If there is no mention, it is very likely that she did :D

[Yogaflame]

They should do an 'Earth Day' comic with Storm and maybe a couple other heroes addressing climate change, pollution, habit destruction,etc. Good for the kids.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

They should do an 'Earth Day' comic with Storm and maybe a couple other heroes addressing climate change, pollution, habit destruction,etc. Good for the kids.

Not part of the mission statement.

Anyway, the obvious answer to the OP is that Mags' is in love with himself.

[Frank]

I always thought writers on X-books were uncreative the way they played with mutant powers. I know that character is important but I think it would be a lot of fun to see mutant powers used in different ways. To see some of the potential of their powers reached. Maybe not completly but let's see Rogue being pushed to the limit.

[ProfeZZor X]

Not part of the mission statement.

Anyway, the obvious answer to the OP is that Mags' is in love with himself.

Maybe not "a part of the mission", but it would certainl help human/mutant relations and possibly put them into their good graces.

Last I remember in M-Day, there was a commentator saying how some mutants powers had a lot to do with the earth's ecology. And now that they've been depowered, how would it affect the world... That theory can be played upon to build a story.

...But I guess we're too far along in a number of other (somewhat frivalous)stories to address it, or revisit that point in time when it could have been a real crisis. And if you really think about it, a story like that could have been a major crossover for all of the Marvel universe, and could have easily integrated into the Civil War story.... "Do we save the planet, or should we be persecuted for attempting to doing so".

[darknessatnoon]

Question, has the global warming ever been addressed in Marvel comics? If it hasn't been mentioned ever, can we be 100% positive that Ororo didn't heal it already? If there is no mention, it is very likely that she did :D

Storm already personally confronted and defeated World Hunger in Heroes for Hope.

[darknessatnoon]

She healed Global Warming but refused to stop hurricane Katrina. Why does Storm care only about Africa? Why has she abandoned African-America?

[Valeria Kementari]

She healed Global Warming but refused to stop hurricane Katrina. Why does Storm care only about Africa? Why has she abandoned African-America?

Punishment for Bush's misdeeds perhaps, the Goddess ways are misterious

[witness]

did she phase the bullet through the earth or did she make the earth intangible for the bullet to pass through? That, is the question.

And didn't gambit once almost destroyed allt he world? Well it wasn't really him, it was his alternate reality version "The new Son" or sun, or whatever, but it was Gambit.
And what about GOD FRANKLIN who even created a pocket reality himself to save the Avengers and the FF??

To put things simple, alpha mutants like Rogue, Psylocke, Cyclops or Wolverine do not have the necessary power to affect the entire Earth/mankind, it takes an OMEGA mutant to do that, and we all know who is in that little list.

Yeah Gambit at full power would atomise Earth and Franklin can do what he likes
(my fave version of Franklin was the Earth x one who had convinced himself he was Galactus).

Have we ever had a defined list of the Omega's ?
ones I know of:-
Magneto
Phoenix
Gambit (at full power)
Iceman
Storm
Xavier
Sunfire
Cable
Apocalypse ?
Sinister ?
Shadow King surely
Franklin
I know there's more but my minds gone blank any ideas?

[Valeria Kementari]

Yeah Gambit at full power would atomise Earth and Franklin can do what he likes
(my fave version of Franklin was the Earth x one who had convinced himself he was Galactus).

Have we ever had a defined list of the Omega's ?
ones I know of:-
Magneto
Phoenix
Gambit (at full power)
Iceman
Storm
Xavier
Sunfire
Cable
Apocalypse ?
Sinister ?
Shadow King surely
Franklin
I know there's more but my minds gone blank any ideas?

Gambit's not an Omega, Sunfire isn't an Omega, Apocalypse isn't an Omega, Sinister isn't even a mutant, SKing neither. Here is the real list :

Xavier
Magneto
Storm
Iceman
Jean Grey
Franklin Richards
Wanda Maximoff (Scarlet Witch)
Elixir (which is ridicolous)
Vulcan (though not originally, it's like artificial Omega)
Joseph (though he was a clone)

And that's pretty much it, unless I am missing someone

[Slant]

...and this thread is going in THAT direction now.

[Azure]

Gambit's not an Omega, Sunfire isn't an Omega, Apocalypse isn't an Omega, Sinister isn't even a mutant, SKing neither. Here is the real list :

Xavier
Magneto
Storm
Iceman
Jean Grey
Franklin Richards
Wanda Maximoff (Scarlet Witch)
Elixir (which is ridicolous)
Vulcan (though not originally, it's like artificial Omega)
Joseph (though he was a clone)

And that's pretty much it, unless I am missing someone

Darkstar and Rain Boy. Possibly Gloom, and certainly Yekaterina and Doctor Goodwrench.

[ProfeZZor X]

...and this thread is going in THAT direction now.

I hope not... :frown:

[witness]

Gambit's not an Omega, Sunfire isn't an Omega, Apocalypse isn't an Omega, Sinister isn't even a mutant, SKing neither. Here is the real list :

Xavier
Magneto
Storm
Iceman
Jean Grey
Franklin Richards
Wanda Maximoff (Scarlet Witch)
Elixir (which is ridicolous)
Vulcan (though not originally, it's like artificial Omega)
Joseph (though he was a clone)

And that's pretty much it, unless I am missing someone

Read Gambits solo series and you'll find before he was lobotimised by Sinister he WAS an omega.
I wasn't sure about either Sinister or Apocalypse hence the question marks.
Shadow king not an omega does surprise me as at times he's been said to be as powerful as Xavier.
Sunfire-If Icemans Elemental power makes him an omega then surely that must apply to Sunfire (certainly in Age of Apocalypse they said as much).

[witness]

...and this thread is going in THAT direction now.

My apologies I was just unsure of the omega list.
Now I've been enlightened I'll shut up. :biggrin: