Uncanny X-Men/Dark Avengers: Exodus *Preview*

[mimic_616]

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3328&disp=table#

[pharoahe22]

It looks good...I think this is the book that's going to make this Utopia series worthwhile...everything else was just leading up to the big fight. I want Wolverine vs. Ares though Dammit...not Weapon Omega lol. Can someone post the other pages we've gotten so far in here as well?

[Azure]

Strikes me that Utopia could have been told within just this one issue.

[Twisted Bliss]

Strikes me that Utopia could have been told within just this one issue.

Oh I wholeheartedly agree with this very astute statement.

Once again thank you Azure for bringing your Northern Wisdom to bear upon the situation at hand.

*Hugs*

[NickFury90]

Strikes me that Utopia could have been told within just this one issue.

Seriously, I stop caring about this thing 3 issues in. It was just stalling until the big evitable battle.

[Azure]

Oh I wholeheartedly agree with this very astute statement.

Once again thank you Azure for bringing your Northern Wisdom to bear upon the situation at hand.

*Hugs*

Aye lad. Me grandad 'ad a tooth in middle of 'is 'ead. First man in England wi' central 'eating.

[Puunk]

This looks really great! I actually can't wait.

[timbox]

I hope Anole's guts mutate and grow, causing him to explode and die in response to that arrow.

[the Hornet]

I agree, the issue looks very good. I hope the X-Men trash Sentry. I just wish Fraction will stop giving Scott those lame dialogues that seems to supposedly make us thinnk he is oh-so-awesome. He should take a look at how Claremont is writing Cyclops in Forever now, he does not overdo it but at the same time Cyclops is rather cool and strong there.

[Bronze Badger]

IHe should take a look at how Claremont is writing Cyclops in Forever now, he does not overdo it but at the same time Cyclops is rather cool and strong there.

No one should look at X-Men Forever.

[frog]

I used to enjoy Emma.

Now she's reaching Pixieish levels of invoking the gag reflex - "oh Scott, don't let Beast destroy what we have - I don't care about your secrets, I just want you!"

Shoot me. Better yet, shoot both Emma and Cyclops and put them out of my misery.

[nightw1ng]

i had a feeling The Confession would pick up right after when Beast left. and it's only natural for Scott and Emma to have their talk in the bedroom so then Fraction can show them having make-up sex. i wonder how he'll drag out that conversation for an entire issue. probably with more de-clawing moments for Emma and Fraction saying how she's always been a saint.

[streator]

i had a feeling The Confession would pick up right after when Beast left. and it's only natural for Scott and Emma to have their talk in the bedroom so then Fraction can show them having make-up sex. i wonder how he'll drag out that conversation for an entire issue. probably with more de-clawing moments for Emma and Fraction saying how she's always been a saint.

i don't think fraction is writing the confession one-shot; i believe it's chris yost.

anyway, this looks decent.

edit: yeah, it's yost-

http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=12839

[darknessatnoon]

i don't think fraction is writing the confession one-shot; i believe it's chris yost.

anyway, this looks decent.

edit: yeah, it's yost-

http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=12839

Yost's Emma is just as bad.

Anyway, the answer is no, Scott, you aren't as smart as you think you are.

[ExodusCloak]

i don't think fraction is writing the confession one-shot; i believe it's chris yost.

anyway, this looks decent.

edit: yeah, it's yost-

http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=12839

What no Craig Kyle...!!!! What the hell Marvel.

[CmX]

So the Dark XMen Confessions one-shot is just a huge conversation between Scott & Emma?

Pass.

[rwsmith]

It looks good...I think this is the book that's going to make this Utopia series worthwhile...everything else was just leading up to the big fight. I want Wolverine vs. Ares though Dammit...not Weapon Omega lol. Can someone post the other pages we've gotten so far in here as well?

Agreed. Wolverine vs. Ares and X-23 vs. Daken would've been epic. I'm not even sure how he'd fight Weapon Omega, but I guess we'll find out.

Archangel vs. Bullseye and Colossus vs. Venom (round 2) should be fun. Looking forward to the payoff...finally!

[Puunk]

What no Craig Kyle...!!!! What the hell Marvel.

They don't always work together. =\

Kyle didn't work with Yost on Yost's Runaways issue.

[Puunk]

So the Dark XMen Confessions one-shot is just a huge conversation between Scott & Emma?

Pass.

What's the font your using in your signature? I really like it.

[ExodusCloak]

They don't always work together. =\

Kyle didn't work with Yost on Yost's Runaways issue.

I figured they'd both be writing it's cause it's heavily related to X-Force. Yost is a good writer, but I find some of his characters a bit off when Craig Kyle isn't there. I think Kyle is better with the voices.

[darknessatnoon]

I figured they'd both be writing it's cause it's heavily related to X-Force. Yost is a good writer, but I find some of his characters a bit off when Craig Kyle isn't there. I think Kyle is better with the voices.

Was Kyle involved in that Manifest Destiny sob-fest story about Emma at the dinner table?

[ExodusCloak]

Was Kyle involved in that Manifest Destiny sob-fest story about Emma at the dinner table?

Nope he wasn't.

[RoguishGurl]

I think the previews are looking good! I'm looking forward to Archangel/Bullseye and X-23/Daken the most.

[yanapryde]

Utopia has been a very entertaining read.
Fraction did a very nice job on this arc.
Admittedly, I wasn't a big supporter of his taking on Uncanny, and I mostly stuck around simply to enjoy the art (Dodson, not Land) but I think he's improved greatly. He's getting a better handle on using (emphasis on USING) the varied background characters that he'd included previously and putting them in scenes/actions worth having them in, rather than merely walking past Cyclops or Emma.
I'm really excited to see how this last battle will take place; especially with all the pairings we've been hinted that will duke it out specifically.
Strangely, I don't give much thought to Bullseye or Angel but their pairing is one that I'm looking forward to most.
I really liked how Cyclops immediately instructs Angel to remove him from the playing field and Angel acknowledges that Cyclops wants his alter ego to handle it, rather than Warren Worthington. Great stuff.

With Dodson doing those first few flash back preview pages, are we to understand he will be doing part of the book....or just those few pages?

[nikbackm]

Nope he wasn't.

Well, now he (Yost) has a chance to redeem his previous attempt though.


With Dodson doing those first few flash back preview pages, are we to understand he will be doing part of the book....or just those few pages?

Just those few pages most likely (hopefully). Same as he just did those few pages in the Land penciled Uncanny 511 as well.

[Prodigy55]

GOD, Fraction's X-23 is such a weirdo.

"Superlative aim, Domino"
"As you wish"

WHO SAYS THIS?

[Azure]

GOD, Fraction's X-23 is such a weirdo.

"Superlative aim, Domino"
"As you wish"

WHO SAYS THIS?

These are sayings which form a regular part of my daily routine.

[quillero]

I'm actually looking forward to this.

Why would Bullesye vs Archangel even be a contest? I can't wait to see how Fraction has Lester survive this.

[Filthy Mutie]

GOD, Fraction's X-23 is such a weirdo.

"Superlative aim, Domino"
"As you wish"

WHO SAYS THIS?

X-23 does, doi.

In spite of myself, I'm strangely excited and aroused by the preview. We're finally to the big fight and it starts off immediately. I like Cyke's moment of realizing Bullseye is disguised as Hawkeye and the following exchange he has with Warren. The Archangel vs. Bullseye fight is the only one I really care about at the moment.

EDIT: OK, I'm looking forward to Daken vs. X-23 a little, too.

[Prodigy55]

These are sayings which form a regular part of my daily routine.


Aye lad. Me grandad 'ad a tooth in middle of 'is 'ead. First man in England wi' central 'eating.

[Azure]

Aye lad. Me grandad 'ad a tooth in middle of 'is 'ead. First man in England wi' central 'eating.

Wheear 'ast ta bin sin' ah saw thee, ah saw thee?

[Valeria Kementari]

Yost's Emma is just as bad.

Anyway, the answer is no, Scott, you aren't as smart as you think you are.

seconded :D

I hate Deodato's art, it's so... ewww. It should have been Dodson.

and btw, the X-Men shouldn't have a chance against characters like the Sentry, Moonstone and Weapon Omega, not unless they bring back Jean from the dead, or Iceman from his self-imposed exile, or well... you know who :D

[nikbackm]

seconded :D

I hate Deodato's art, it's so... ewww. It should have been Dodson.

and btw, the X-Men shouldn't have a chance against characters like the Sentry, Moonstone and Weapon Omega, not unless they bring back Jean from the dead, or Iceman from his self-imposed exile, or well... you know who :D

I take it you did not read the last Exiles issue yet.


Sage is no longer with us.

[Azure]

and btw, the X-Men shouldn't have a chance against characters like the Sentry, Moonstone and Weapon Omega, not unless they bring back Jean from the dead, or Iceman from his self-imposed exile, or well... you know who :D

But... Cyclops doesn't know where to find Darkstar, she's vanished into The Darkforce Dimension??

Also, Prodigy55, I asked you a question.

[Valeria Kementari]

But... Cyclops doesn't know where to find Darkstar, she's vanished into The Darkforce Dimension??

Also, Prodigy55, I asked you a question.

Why do you think he wanted Cloak on the team, to bring Darkstar back!!! :eek:

[timbox]

I’m sure Iceman would be really effective against the Dark Avengers.

[Prodigy55]

Wheear 'ast ta bin sin' ah saw thee, ah saw thee?

Och! 0110101

[Azure]

Why do you think he wanted Cloak on the team, to bring Darkstar back!!! :eek:

Wow. Cyclops actually is as smart as he thinks he is.

Och! 0110101

On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at!

[Valeria Kementari]

I take it you did not read the last Exiles issue yet.


Sage is no longer with us.


It's only a matter of time before we see the 161 version of her taking over the team, we all know that :tongue:

[CmX]

I hate Deodato's art, it's so... ewww. It should have been Dodson.

I don't see why Deadato couldn't do the Dark Avenger issue and Silvestri draw the last one-shot?

[Valeria Kementari]

I don't see why Deadato couldn't do the Dark Avenger issue and Silvestri draw the last one-shot?

I guess it's better it's Deodato than Land, you know how the saying goes "Anyone but Land!"

[Prodigy55]

On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at!

Aye... aye, lad.

[Azure]

Aye... aye, lad.

You should see the next verse, it's a corker. Maybe some other time.

[pharoahe22]

Agreed. Wolverine vs. Ares and X-23 vs. Daken would've been epic. I'm not even sure how he'd fight Weapon Omega, but I guess we'll find out.

Archangel vs. Bullseye and Colossus vs. Venom (round 2) should be fun. Looking forward to the payoff...finally!

Weapon Omega from Wiki:
Michael Pointer is a mutant with the ability to absorb the energy, personalities, and abilities of other mutants. As the Collective, he contained the inherent power of almost every mutant on the planet. Often his powers manifest as energy blasts and flight capabilities

The Energy Blasts and Flight capabilities aren't any different than when when Wolverine used to fight Guardian. Guardian had protective Force-fields, Super-strength, and a bunch of different powers. I think how powerful Weapon Omega is depends on how many mutant abilities he has just absorbed. he was able to fight and 1-up the Sentry because he had absorbed like all the mutants on the planet before. it might be different if he's only absorbed a few. Either way I'm not sure if it matters, because from what we saw in the 1st preview, Logan attacks him from behind lol

[Drey]

and btw, the X-Men shouldn't have a chance against characters like the Sentry, Moonstone and Weapon Omega, not unless they bring back Jean from the dead, or Iceman from his self-imposed exile, or well... you know who :D

The Sentry still has a weak point though. He is vulnerable to psychics. Moonstone can be vulnerable to psychics too, but they'd need to be strong like Charles and Emma. I would say that Betsy could handle Moonstone, but I've no idea what her current levels are. CC's Betsy could keep a phased person solid and then use her psychic sword.

Karla would have trouble against Lorna, but she's in space so that's moot. Trance can hit Karla while phased, but it's not enough to cause her any lasting damage. Anyway, not sure about Weapon Omega. Edit: Ah, thanks Pharoahe22.

Preview looks good though.

[CmX]

The Energy Blasts and Flight capabilities aren't any different than when when Wolverine used to fight Guardian. Guardian had protective Force-fields, Super-strength, and a bunch of different powers. I think how powerful Weapon Omega is depends on how many mutant abilities he has just absorbed. he was able to fight and 1-up the Sentry because he had absorbed like all the mutants on the planet before. it might be different if he's only absorbed a few. Either way I'm not sure if it matters, because from what we saw in the 1st preview, Logan attacks him from behind lol

So wouldn't this basically make Weapon Omega pretty much a better version of Mimic?

[Washout]

So wouldn't this basically make Weapon Omega pretty much a better version of Mimic?

I don't think he absorbs their powers and uses them the same way Rogue or Mimic does. He absorbs them as energy that he uses for flight and blasts.

[CmX]

I don't think he absorbs their powers and uses them the same way Rogue or Mimic does. He absorbs them as energy that he uses for flight and blasts.

Oh okay. Thank you for clearing this up for me Washout.

[Valeria Kementari]

The Sentry still has a weak point though. He is vulnerable to psychics. Moonstone can be vulnerable to psychics too, but they'd need to be strong like Charles and Emma. I would say that Betsy could handle Moonstone, but I've no idea what her current levels are. CC's Betsy could keep a phased person solid and then use her psychic sword.

Karla would have trouble against Lorna, but she's in space so that's moot. Trance can hit Karla while phased, but it's not enough to cause her any lasting damage. Anyway, not sure about Weapon Omega.

Preview looks good though.

Emma is not as powerful as Charles, that delusion has to stop. Second, I'd so loooooooooooooooooooooooove to see a Karla/Emma cat fight in a psychic landscape. Third, does Betsy has telepathy anymore? That hasn't been very clear, hasn't it? And knowing Betts she will probably want to fight hand to hand rather than psychically...

[The Big G]

For me Utopia started strong then died toward the middle, hopefully it can finish with some dignity still intact.

[darknessatnoon]

Emma is not as powerful as Charles, that delusion has to stop.

http://i35.tinypic.com/qs1nrb.jpg

[CmX]

For me Utopia started strong then died toward the middle, hopefully it can finish with some dignity still intact.

I think it just dragged on a bit, the story could have been cut one issue.

[Drey]

Emma is not as powerful as Charles, that delusion has to stop.

I wasn't really saying that, but to be more specific I meant that an experienced psychic needs to be put against Karla. Emma is qualified and so is Charles.

Second, I'd so loooooooooooooooooooooooove to see a Karla/Emma cat fight in a psychic landscape. Third, does Betsy has telepathy anymore? That hasn't been very clear, hasn't it? And knowing Betts she will probably want to fight hand to hand rather than psychically...

Betsy has regained her telepathy, but we don't know to what degree or what her capabilities are. She's only been seen telepathically altering the perceptions of one mind during her trip to the past and she just recently used telepathic communication with Madison Jeffries.

She also has her psychic knife again.

[CmX]

I wasn't really saying that, but to be more specific I meant that an experienced psychic needs to be put against Karla. Emma is qualified and so is Charles.



Betsy has regained her telepathy, but we don't know to what degree or what her capabilities are. She's only been seen telepathically altering the perceptions of one mind during her trip to the past and she just recently used telepathic communication with Madison Jeffries.

She also has her psychic knife again.

Moonstone would kick Psylocke's ass easily. Especially if Betsy choose to fight her physically.

[ExodusCloak]

Well, now he (Yost) has a chance to redeem his previous attempt though.

You just deflated any enthusiasm I have left for the Utopia crossover. What was keeping me going is that I thought Yost & Kyle were writing the last issue. Now I don't really care anymore especially when the premise is going to involve Emma trying to "save" their relationship.

[pharoahe22]

I think we're going to see the Sentry vs. Namor, and since they're on an island, the fight will go underwater, where Namor is essentially Superman. That'll make for a good fight.

With Moonstone, the trick is her Intagibility. She's still open to Psychic attacks, and when she does make psychical contact, she can be hit. Also Trance can hit her...The X-men have the numbers to take her down.

As for Weapon Omega, I wouldn't worry about him...it looks like Wolverine attacks him from behind and takes him out lol

[ExodusCloak]

With Moonstone, the trick is her Intagibility. She's still open to Psychic attacks, and when she does make psychical contact, she can be hit. Also Trance can hit her...The X-men have the numbers to take her down.

Cypher, Nekra, Frenzy and Bling will deal with Moonstone.

[Optic Rage!]

Looks great, love the art.

Some cool moments from Cyclops and Angel.

I don't think it's that much of a mismatch. Emma can deal with Sentry, Dani still has to show her cards, and i'm sure the 20 or so spare X-Men can take down Moonstone.

[Azure]

Dani Moonstar + Fear-powers + Sentry?

[Daniel Mengsk]

Emma is not as powerful as Charles, that delusion has to stop.

According to her wikipedia entry - she is.


Moonstone would kick Psylocke's ass easily. Especially if Betsy choose to fight her physically.

LOL Who's side are you on CmX? Besides, you can't keep denying the existent of the teke forever you know. It's canon. :wink:

Dani Moonstar + Fear-powers + Sentry?

Exactly my thought. But then again, didn't she "only" get her Valkyrie powers back?

[ExodusCloak]

Dani Moonstar + Fear-powers + Sentry?

I think an Ares showdown is more likely.

...

:shifty:

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2043/xmenlegacy216001pl8.jpg

[CmX]

LOL Who's side are you on CmX? Besides, you can't keep denying the existent of the teke forever you know. It's canon. :wink:

I'm on Psylocke's side, but I do love Karla. I'm just stating the obvious.

I'm not going to bust in this thread and declare Psylocke strongest of all the Dark/Avengers/XMen just because she is my favorite.

[Optic Rage!]

Dani vs Ares would be so fucking cool.

[Daniel Mengsk]

I'm not going to bust in this thread and declare Psylocke strongest of all the Dark/Avengers/XMen just because she is my favorite.

No no, of course not - Karla's powers make her one of the DA heavy hitters. But since Bets can "enhance" her strenght she could get in a punch or two - and create illusions etc. But I agree; Karla is a tough cookie to beat. Just ask Rogue. ;)

[ExodusCloak]

No no, of course not - Karla's powers make her one of the DA heavy hitters. But since Bets can "enhance" her strenght she could get in a punch or two - and create illusions etc. But I agree; Karla is a tough cookie to beat. Just ask Rogue. ;)

What about Nekra, Frenzy, Bling and Cypher? They seem to have gotten the drop on her. And Moonstone can't even see Cypher.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

Husk??! Husk??!!!!!! Husk!!!!!????

[streator]

seconded :D

I hate Deodato's art, it's so... ewww. It should have been Dodson.

and btw, the X-Men shouldn't have a chance against characters like the Sentry, Moonstone and Weapon Omega, not unless they bring back Jean from the dead, or Iceman from his self-imposed exile, or well... you know who :D

iceman's in the preview, standing in between colossus and angel in one panel. maybe we'll see him do something.

[babybro]

What is this madness? Dodson only doing a couple of the pages?! I was so looking forward to this issue, with dodson throwing out a major fight scene between DA and Xmen, man this is crap.

[classicgmer]

It looks good...I think this is the book that's going to make this Utopia series worthwhile...everything else was just leading up to the big fight. I want Wolverine vs. Ares though Dammit...not Weapon Omega lol. Can someone post the other pages we've gotten so far in here as well?




I'm sorry but personally 1 final good issue (and it does look to be a good fight issue) does not make up for mediocre excuse for a crossover in which the Dark Avengers were barely used.


I'm just gonna be grateful when this whole thing is over.

[ExodusCloak]

Deodato hate? Really? If you're been picking up Uncanny on an ongoing basis how can your standards regarding art be so high?

[Omega Alpha]

Strikes me that Utopia could have been told within just this one issue.

Exactly. I called the Dark X-men a lame gimmick that wouldn't last the crossover right away. But, noooooooooo, a lot of people actually believed it would be great, it would last, etc:rolleyes:

This crossover would have been much better without it, as a straight fight between the X-men and the Dark Avengers, even if still lasted 6 issues.

[ExodusCloak]

Exactly. I called the Dark X-men a lame gimmick that wouldn't last the crossover right away. But, noooooooooo, a lot of people actually believed it would be great, it would last, etc:rolleyes:

This crossover would have been much better without it, as a straight fight between the X-men and the Dark Avengers, even if still lasted 6 issues.

They did last the crossover. :tongue:

[Drey]

No no, of course not - Karla's powers make her one of the DA heavy hitters. But since Bets can "enhance" her strenght she could get in a punch or two - and create illusions etc. But I agree; Karla is a tough cookie to beat. Just ask Rogue. ;)

I'm still waiting to see what Betsy can actually do with her telekinesis now that she's back home and the stuff Jamie did to her has basically been wiped away.

ExodusCloak- Haha yeah I forgot about the "Mean Girls" getting the drop on Karla.

[Omega Alpha]

They did last the crossover. :tongue:

Oh, sorry, I should have explained better: they would last the crossover as a RELEVANT team with it's own ONGOING, with the big names like Emma and Namor still there.:tongue:

[Dave13]

Utopia has been a very entertaining read.
Fraction did a very nice job on this arc.


No it really hasn't, Its not as bad as the sisterhood granted but a very nice read no way

[Puunk]

No it really hasn't, Its not as bad as the sisterhood granted but a very nice read no way

Really? I agree with yana. I've actually enjoyed reading Utopia. The first issue was really awesome, the next few we're okay (I acknowledge they were "stalling" issues) and I predict this conclusion will be great.

Weird characterization, of course, but what can you do? I've learnt to live with what Fraction does with characters.

[ExodusCloak]

Really? I agree with yana. I've actually enjoyed reading Utopia. The first issue was really awesome, the next few we're okay (I acknowledge they were "stalling" issues) and I predict this conclusion will be great.

Weird characterization, of course, but what can you do? I've learnt to live with what Fraction does with characters.

It would definitely be Fractions strongest work on Uncanny X-Men to date but there's a definitely room to take it up a few notches. We'll see he already has the next year mapped out IRRC.

[Ryan W]

Husk??! Husk??!!!!!! Husk!!!!!????


OMFGIKNOWRIGHT?!!!

I got pretty stoked to see Paige, even though she did get arrow'd.

[Swashbuckler]

I have found the cross-over ot be tolerable, but it's far more an X-Men story then a Dark Avengers one. What really gets me is this final issue. What happens to make the Dark Avengers such a threat against over 50 mutants. It's like, 8 Avengers VS 50 mutants. The odds just seem too maxxed out for the X-Men to lose.

[cbrer]

Just out of curiosity, are the Russian prostitutes going to this new Asteroid M island haven thingy too? Or will they be ditched in San Francisco?

[worstblogever]

Just out of curiosity, are the Russian prostitutes going to this new Asteroid M island haven thingy too? Or will they ditched in San Francisco?

They're Scott's plan of how to take down Ares.

[nikbackm]

You just deflated any enthusiasm I have left for the Utopia crossover. What was keeping me going is that I thought Yost & Kyle were writing the last issue. Now I don't really care anymore especially when the premise is going to involve Emma trying to "save" their relationship.

Eh? You already knew Yost was the single writer before my post. I'll give him the benefit of doubt until it's out, it will probably be an improvement over the MD story at least.

It was a really strange moment there, both of them knew there was secrets, Scott wanted to start spilling and then Emma wanted them both to pretend nothing happened(!) instead just in case the revelations would ruin their relationship. That was the most out-there Emma characterization by Fraction I've seen so far. I guess there's no outside chance she meant something else? Otherwise, the only way to redeem the storyline at this point is to really have them break-up.

[scamprin]

I think my final opinion of this crossover will rest on how the X-men deal with Ares and the Sentry. For the longest time, I thought Exodus was going to show up and face off against the Sentry. I think it would have been cool to see Exodus take on a role like that, especially after his transition in X-men Legacy recently. But I think that the "Exodus" title of this issue was put in to mislead us, considering that the X-men have made their exodus to Providence or Avalon or Asteroid M or Namor's bachelor pad or whatever (I don't know enough continuity to eliminate anything). I'm just hoping that Sentry isn't defeated by Emma or the other telepaths (which would be a very plausible solution but would be very boring) and I really hope that Magneto doesn't show up out of the blue... I read that he was recently repowered, but I don't think we need his character around these days.

[worstblogever]

Husk??! Husk??!!!!!! Husk!!!!!????

OMFGIKNOWRIGHT?!!!

I got pretty stoked to see Paige, even though she did get arrow'd.

Wait, was that Husk, or Mercury getting "arrow'd"?

[cbrer]

They're Scott's plan of how to take down Ares.

Ah. So Scott really IS as smart as he thinks he is.

Ingenious plan! Bravo Scott! Give yourself a nice pat on the back!

[Marvelfan278]

Archangel tearing up Bullseye like a side of meat? SOLD!

Moonstone's not that great of a fighter and far too egotistical, Psychic attack where she thinks she's not pretty and she'll be on the floor crying.

Omega's not invulnerable, X-23 or Wolverine put their claws in his chest he'll feel it, then Daken is on the worst end of the Howlett family reunion.

Namor grabs Osborn, drags him underwater, game over.

Collosus V Ares, okay a tough fight then Storm gives Ares a taste of lightning from up high.

Pixie gets Sentry loaded on Pixie Dust, he spends the fight thinking he's riding a unicorn to Oz.

Leaving Mimic and Dark Beast V the rest, have fun with that guys...

Then naturally, Xavier walks up to Mystique "Exuse me, don't I know you?" Backhands her across the face and yells "You make me look like I'm working with that prick? I mean sure I enslaved an alien AI intelligence, concealed the truth about Vulcan and his mutant team and about 19 other things but there's a limit people!"

[worstblogever]

Collosus V Ares, okay a tough fight then Storm gives Ares a taste of lightning from up high.


Your mention of Colossus reminds me. You've neglected to mention Venom, his sparring partner from throughout this crossover.

[Marvelfan278]

Your mention of Colossus reminds me. You've neglected to mention Venom, his sparring partner from throughout this crossover.

Guy doesn't even require a full-time X-Man, have Mercury engage, liquid metal isn't going to be hurt by him, then have Match creep up on him and torch his ass, symbiotes can't take heat.

[cbrer]

Moonstone's not that great of a fighter and far too egotistical, Psychic attack where she thinks she's not pretty and she'll be on the floor crying.



I wonder if it's possible for Emma or the Cuckoos to psychically give Moonstone enough body image issues to turn her bulimic? Permanently.

[worstblogever]

Guy doesn't even require a full-time X-Man, have Mercury engage, liquid metal isn't going to be hurt by him, then have Match creep up on him and torch his ass, symbiotes can't take heat.

Harsh assessment of Gargan, but I accept this strategy.

[ExodusCloak]

Eh? You already knew Yost was the single writer before my post. I'll give him the benefit of doubt until it's out, it will probably be an improvement over the MD story at least.

It was a really strange moment there, both of them knew there was secrets, Scott wanted to start spilling and then Emma wanted them both to pretend nothing happened(!) instead just in case the revelations would ruin their relationship. That was the most out-there Emma characterization by Fraction I've seen so far. I guess there's no outside chance she meant something else? Otherwise, the only way to redeem the storyline at this point is to really have them break-up.

I'm kidding :tongue: , I was already deflated, the emphasis on Yost just writing it made me sad. :frown:

I'm not sure, I've always thought since after Whedons run that she is infatuated with him and that is a disaster waiting to happen. She's actually coming across extremely needy and dependent on him. I suppose she has no other life outside the X-Men and losing Scott kind of emphasis's the...what will I do now factor? But still, I know she's meant to be open and vulnerable in front of Scott but she's coming across as psycho stalkerish infatuated. That's the only way I can explain it, still makes me sad.

[darknessatnoon]

Moonstone is evil and fun, but if you've ever read Thunderbolts (by anyone) you'd know she's a terrible terrible fighter.

[Puunk]

It would definitely be Fractions strongest work on Uncanny X-Men to date but there's a definitely room to take it up a few notches. We'll see he already has the next year mapped out IRRC.

Yeah!

I found it really enjoyable and I totally agree when saying it is his strongest work.

[NewMutant]

I feel like this is how Fraction's X-Men is reviewed on the boards:

Manifest Destiny:
- Awlful

Lovelorn:
- Better than Manifest Destiny... once the story is complete, awlful.

Sisterhood:
- Better than Lovelorn... once the story is complete, awlful.

Utopia:
- Better than Sisterhod... (so once the story is complete... awlful lol)

Meanwhile reviewers seems to think its decent.

So I don't know if that means his arc are slowly getting better. Or not. hahaha.

[Swashbuckler]

Moonstone is evil and fun, but if you've ever read Thunderbolts (by anyone) you'd know she's a terrible terrible fighter.

I wonder if Moonstone is turned on by Bullseye in the Hawkeye outfit....in Thunderbolts, Clint and Karla were getting hot and heavy for a bit.

Again, does no one else find it ridiculous that 50 mutants are supposed to be evenly matched to 8 Avengers??

Also, has it been stated that the island is Asteroid M?

[ExodusCloak]

I feel like this is how Fraction's X-Men is reviewed on the boards:

Manifest Destiny:
- Awlful

Lovelorn:
- Better than Manifest Destiny... once the story is complete, awlful.

Sisterhood:
- Better than Lovelorn... once the story is complete, awlful.

Utopia:
- Better than Sisterhod... (so once the story is complete... awlful lol)

Meanwhile reviewers seems to think its decent.

So I don't know if that means his arc are slowly getting better. Or not. hahaha.

Loverlorn was better then his first arc and Sisterhood IMO but a lot of that is down to Land.

Utopia is better then the other 3.

[darknessatnoon]

I wonder if Moonstone is turned on by Bullseye in the Hawkeye outfit....in Thunderbolts, Clint and Karla were getting hot and heavy for a bit.

Again, does no one else find it ridiculous that 50 mutants are supposed to be evenly matched to 8 Avengers??

Also, has it been stated that the island is Asteroid M?

It is ridiculous. There's no tension in this story. We all know that the Great General Cyclops will prevail.

No, Fraction never states anything. He leaves all the explaining to Carey and Cornell.

[worstblogever]

No, Fraction never states anything.

Well, he states being sorry about lying in interviews to mislead people about obvious plot developments.

[Filthy Mutie]

Also, has it been stated that the island is Asteroid M?

Mmmaybe. In a recent Fraction interview, he's playing coy about it but blows it at the very end. He may be resorting to trickery with this, but I have a feeling it really is Asteroid M.

[Bingo!]

Well, he states being sorry about lying in interviews to mislead people about obvious plot developments.

The raising of Phallus Island was a complete surprise to me.

[darknessatnoon]

Well, he states being sorry about lying in interviews to mislead people about obvious plot developments.

I don't care about that. I would lie to the people on CBR without a second thought. I would lie to the people on IGN without a first thought.

What I would not do is be contentless.

[NewMutant]

Loverlorn was better then his first arc and Sisterhood IMO but a lot of that is down to Land.

Utopia is better then the other 3.

My point was just how everyone changes their mind. I feel like the first issue of a new arc everything thinks its good. But once the story is over its bad.

[worstblogever]

I don't care about that. I would lie to the people on CBR without a second thought. I would lie to the people on IGN without a first thought.

What I would not do is be contentless.

I appreciate how you can wax poetic about being disgruntled. And your opinion of IGN.

[Filthy Mutie]

My point was just how everyone changes their mind. I feel like the first issue of a new arc everything thinks its good. But once the story is over its bad.

It's because people want to enjoy the books they love and a new arc is viewed as a fresh start, but then the execution falls apart and the ending puts the final nail in the coffin. Repeat.

I don't know how many movies I've seen where I feel like I'm going to love them in the first 15-ish minutes and then leave really bummed and jaded.

[Ryan W]

Wait, was that Husk, or Mercury getting "arrow'd"?

Well unless it's a coloring error with the hair, then it's Paige. Cessily's hair remains that foxy shade of red at all times.

[passenger]

Did Emma ever mention to anyone that Xavier and Hank are Osborn's prisoners,or she hopes they will slip between the cracks and be lost forever?

[The Lucky One]

Mimic looks pissed. Can't say I blame him. "Oh, hi Scott! Sending you this telepathic message just to let you know, since you and your new girlfriend decided to stab me in the back, I've copied the abilities of Ares, Moonstone, Namor, and Daken. Oh, and I've been practicing with Jean's powers big time. Be down in five to take your little island apart piece by piece. K thx, bai!"

-D

[Azure]

It's because people want to enjoy the books they love and a new arc is viewed as a fresh start, but then the execution falls apart and the ending puts the final nail in the coffin. Repeat.

I don't know how many movies I've seen where I feel like I'm going to love them in the first 15-ish minutes and then leave really bummed and jaded.

Matt Fraction climaxes prematurely? VOTE SERES FOR X-POSTER OF THE MONTH

[peopleofpaper]

I thought it was Emma but I guess she doesn't need to get naked in diamond form. I just realized they gave Emma a Paige like power so maybe that's why we never see Paige anymore :confused:

[passenger]

Mimic looks pissed. Can't say I blame him. "Oh, hi Scott! Sending you this telepathic message just to let you know, since you and your new girlfriend decided to stab me in the back, I've copied the abilities of Ares, Moonstone, Namor, and Daken. Oh, and I've been practicing with Jean's powers big time. Be down in five to take your little island apart piece by piece. K thx, bai!"

-D

I would so love to see that :biggrin:

[quillero]

Matt Fraction climaxes prematurely? VOTE SERES FOR X-POSTER OF THE MONTH

I think that's never a good thing.

[worstblogever]

Well unless it's a coloring error with the hair, then it's Paige. Cessily's hair remains that foxy shade of red at all times.

Good point.

[worstblogever]

The raising of Phallus Island was a complete surprise to me.

I thought we agreed, it is PEENTANGLE ISLAND?

[Omega Alpha]

Really? I agree with yana. I've actually enjoyed reading Utopia. The first issue was really awesome, the next few we're okay (I acknowledge they were "stalling" issues) and I predict this conclusion will be great.

Weird characterization, of course, but what can you do? I've learnt to live with what Fraction does with characters.

So, you admit that the characterization sucks, and in nearly all issues, nothing happened, and yet you think the event is enjoyable?

Well, that's what I call low standards. Perhaps too low, I think.

[nikbackm]

I'm kidding :tongue: , I was already deflated, the emphasis on Yost just writing it made me sad. :frown:

I'm not sure, I've always thought since after Whedons run that she is infatuated with him and that is a disaster waiting to happen. She's actually coming across extremely needy and dependent on him. I suppose she has no other life outside the X-Men and losing Scott kind of emphasis's the...what will I do now factor? But still, I know she's meant to be open and vulnerable in front of Scott but she's coming across as psycho stalkerish infatuated. That's the only way I can explain it, still makes me sad.

Except she comes across as a bit too timid to qualify as a psycho stalker. So far at least. :tongue: :frown:

Did Emma ever mention to anyone that Xavier and Hank are Osborn's prisoners,or she hopes they will slip between the cracks and be lost forever?

Fraction wondered in the interview after the issue how Beast would feel about being rescued by a group of killers so he got out at least. Probably Xavier too.

[worstblogever]

Fraction wondered in the interview after the issue how Beast would feel about being rescued by a group of killers so he got out at least. Probably Xavier too.

Xavier was "off panel", for some reason. Probably because Fraction wants people to be "SURPISED!!!" when he predictably turns up in the final chapter to confront Mystique.

Bait and switch tactics, again.

[CmX]

I think that's never a good thing.

It can be if you just want it to be over with.

[ExodusCloak]

Except she comes across as a bit too timid to qualify as a psycho stalker. So far at least. :tongue: :frown:

The timid ones are the scary ones.

[Marvelfan278]

Well unless it's a coloring error with the hair, then it's Paige. Cessily's hair remains that foxy shade of red at all times.

I can't believe they actually included Husk in the comic, I don't think I saw her in anything since a few issues during Decimation.

"Hey Archangel!.. Holy Shit! Why's there a gallon of blood on your costume and you've got the stabby wings again? And why the hell did you stop calling me?"

"Ummm...Look over there!" *Flies off*

[worstblogever]

I can't believe they actually included Husk in the comic, I don't think I saw her in anything since a few issues during Decimation.

"Hey Archangel!.. Holy Shit! Why's there a gallon of blood on your costume and you've got the stabby wings again? And why the hell did you stop calling me?"

"Ummm...Look over there!" *Flies off*

Husk did cameo in Secret Invasion: X-Men, and offer Warren a "flight over Ma" for old time's sake in the midst of battling Skrulls.

[Filthy Mutie]

It can be if you just want it to be over with.

Yes, it can go for too long. Especially if there are teeth involved. (Cringe.)

[The Lucky One]

"Hey Archangel!.. Holy Shit! Why's there a gallon of blood on your costume and you've got the stabby wings again? And why the hell did you stop calling me?"

"Honey, I already fulfilled my fantasy of putting it in someone's butt in midair... why would I keep calling? I did what I needed to, now I'm done with you."
"But... but..."
"You knew what this was. Here's a cell phone, call yourself a cab."

-D

[Omega Alpha]

Eh? You already knew Yost was the single writer before my post. I'll give him the benefit of doubt until it's out, it will probably be an improvement over the MD story at least.

It was a really strange moment there, both of them knew there was secrets, Scott wanted to start spilling and then Emma wanted them both to pretend nothing happened(!) instead just in case the revelations would ruin their relationship. That was the most out-there Emma characterization by Fraction I've seen so far. I guess there's no outside chance she meant something else? Otherwise, the only way to redeem the storyline at this point is to really have them break-up.

Well, you're the one that insisted on having faith on Fraction's writing, don't tell me I never told you not to do so:tongue:

The sad part is that this ISN'T Emma's "most out there" characterization under Fraction. The "You're never alone, Peter! Ever!" thing was even worse. And it's not "out there", is "completely ridiculous".

But breaking them up wouldn't redeem it at all, in fact it would be the opposite, the one thing missing for Fraction to "surpass" Austen and Milligan. Would be the last "f*ck you" to Morrison, right after having mutants isolated again and (perhaps) reviving something he had literally thrown at the sun.

[nightw1ng]

I feel like this is how Fraction's X-Men is reviewed on the boards:

Manifest Destiny:
- Awlful

Lovelorn:
- Better than Manifest Destiny... once the story is complete, awlful.

Sisterhood:
- Better than Lovelorn... once the story is complete, awlful.

Utopia:
- Better than Sisterhod... (so once the story is complete... awlful lol)

Meanwhile reviewers seems to think its decent.

So I don't know if that means his arc are slowly getting better. Or not. hahaha.

the problem is that while fraction has some good ideas, the execution is off and endings are even worse. he likes to build up his stories so that you expect a huge change or big payoff but then wusses out with the least interesting way possible. case in point, he's been building up the tension between scott and emma for months. instead of upsetting the status quo with something new, it looks like it'll all be resolved in a simple conversation and everything will be all smiles as usual. it's like he's writing for a saturday morning cartoon. everything basically stays the same once the story is over. the only real changes he's done is move the x-men to a new base (yet again) and have an old team member rejoin.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Eh? You already knew Yost was the single writer before my post. I'll give him the benefit of doubt until it's out, it will probably be an improvement over the MD story at least.

It was a really strange moment there, both of them knew there was secrets, Scott wanted to start spilling and then Emma wanted them both to pretend nothing happened(!) instead just in case the revelations would ruin their relationship. That was the most out-there Emma characterization by Fraction I've seen so far. I guess there's no outside chance she meant something else? Otherwise, the only way to redeem the storyline at this point is to really have them break-up.

Took you long enough, lol. :tongue:

[infernohara]

Hey Mike! Mike! Where are you? did you see what Bullseye did to Cyclops? Yeah. Just thought you should be here to EAT YOUR WORDS! Tasky pwns Cyke. Thank you.

Anyway, I don't know if I can look forward to another Avengers beat down. Its like the X-men win and make their villains look stupid. You can't take X-villains seriously anymore sometimes: Just look at the marauders downgraded to jokes. Even Apocalypse suffers. Can I please get some villains that can take a beat down without being set back 9 years?

Looks good. I find norman pretty dumb to run in on the X-men and they're 150+ team members. What an idiot. He didn't even bother to take account for all the psychics there. Did this really have to happen? The psychics alone could stop the Avengers and anyone else that steps on the island....I'm not understanding why Cyclops is letting them get on the island (and take chances getting hurt) with all those Psychics and why Norman is just marching in there like he owns the place.

Make sure you put how much of a retard you are at the top of your X-men list norman.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Hey Mike! Mike! Where are you? did you see what Bullseye did to Cyclops? Yeah. Just thought you should be here to EAT YOUR WORDS! Tasky pwns Cyke. Thank you.

Anyway, I don't know if I can look forward to another Avengers beat down. Its like the X-men win and make their villains look stupid. You can't take X-villains seriously anymore sometimes: Just look at the marauders downgraded to jokes. Even Apocalypse suffers. Can I please get some villains that can take a beat down without being set back 9 years?

Looks good. I find norman pretty dumb to run in on the X-men and they're 150+ team members. What an idiot. He didn't even bother to take account for all the psychics there. Did this really have to happen? The psychics alone could stop the Avengers and anyone else that steps on the island....I'm not understanding why Cyclops is letting them get on the island (and take chances getting hurt) with all those Psychics and why Norman is just marching in there like he owns the place.

Make sure you put how much of a retard you are at the top of your X-men list norman.

It's called DRAMA. You don't hear me f****n whining about Cyke not blasting the f**k out of Bullseye.

Relax and roll with it. It's hardly the stupidest that's been published in an x-men book. :rolleyes:

[infernohara]

I'm not whining, I'm just tired of the psychics always doing nothing. They own that island...no one without Psi dampeners should even get on. Drama or not its suicide to even go there.

[Omega Alpha]

You are suprised that Osborn is stupid NOW? Heck, the entire premise of his plan counted on the long-time girlfriend of his #1 target be willing to follow his orders, that included killing/arresting her boyfriend.

And what do you mean what Bullseye did to Cyclops? As I can tell, he's alive, well, and standing.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm not whining, I'm just tired of the psychics always doing nothing. They own that island...no one without Psi dampeners should even get on. Drama or not its suicide to even go there.

You seem to not get the point of wanting to tear off some douchebag's head and ripping some broad's heart from her chest while her boyfriend watches.

[infernohara]

You are suprised that Osborn is stupid NOW? Heck, the entire premise of his plan counted on the long-time girlfriend of his #1 target be willing to follow his orders, that included killing/arresting her boyfriend.

And what do you mean what Bullseye did to Cyclops? As I can tell, he's alive, well, and standing.

No I'm not surprised. Villains always get treated like morons in a story...always. I sometimes find it hard to believe that Norman has a genius level intellect sometimes. He knew he couldn't trust her and didn't have a backup plan. He didn't bother to get the Thunderbolts involved (not like the media will be on the island), no spin tech, and went in with 8 people against 150+ without a plan. No matter how powerful you are, you can't be that stupid. Even Karla should of said "Norman this is stupid".

As for the cyclops thing. Another poster was talking noise about Taskmaster on another thread. I can't wait to see him visit this one.

[tetragene]

Exactly. I called the Dark X-men a lame gimmick that wouldn't last the crossover right away. But, noooooooooo, a lot of people actually believed it would be great, it would last, etc:rolleyes:

This crossover would have been much better without it, as a straight fight between the X-men and the Dark Avengers, even if still lasted 6 issues.

I was one of the few who believed you. This whole Dark X-Men gimmick was just a ruse to have a X-23 vs Daken fight and to get Cloak and Dagger on the X-men :rolleyes: It could have been a lot cooler in Execution if they'd have taken the "Dark Avengers" approach to it and had there...y'know...been an actual point to having a Dark X-men team for more than one issue

[NewMutant]

the problem is that while fraction has some good ideas, the execution is off and endings are even worse. he likes to build up his stories so that you expect a huge change or big payoff but then wusses out with the least interesting way possible. case in point, he's been building up the tension between scott and emma for months. instead of upsetting the status quo with something new, it looks like it'll all be resolved in a simple conversation and everything will be all smiles as usual. it's like he's writing for a saturday morning cartoon. everything basically stays the same once the story is over. the only real changes he's done is move the x-men to a new base (yet again) and have an old team member rejoin.

I personally feel like thats the case with most comics today. Ever since Whedon left it hasn't felt like anything of "value" was happening. Just stories. Messiah Complex was great but the follow up after has been bad.

Same thing with a lot events... mostly Bendis events... HoM and Secret Invasion are great ideas but aren't excuted well.

The only issue that has felt important in Fractions run was the Utopia one shot.

[infernohara]

You seem to not get the point of wanting to tear off some douchebag's head and ripping some broad's heart from her chest while her boyfriend watches.

So everyone just marches in behind Norman like tards? Nobody has any second thoughts about fighting 150+ mutants? Really?

Its like sisterhood all over again: Lets go beat the X-men because I hate them and you girls can join me!! * OKay* At least back with the Sisterhood they actually stood a chance.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So everyone just marches in behind Norman like tards? Nobody has any second thoughts about fighting 150+ mutants? Really?

Its like sisterhood all over again: Lets go beat the X-men because I hate them and you girls can join me!! * OKay* At least back with the Sisterhood they actually stood a chance.

Dark Wolverine's writing team's creepy crushes on Daken aside, all of the Dark x-men are half-crazed psychotic a$$holes looking for a fight and not having much of an actual plan. I honestly don't expect better.

[infernohara]

Dark Wolverine's writing team's creepy crushes on Daken aside, all of the Dark x-men are half-crazed psychotic a$$holes looking for a fight and not having much of an actual plan. I honestly don't expect better.

Dark Beast knows the X-men. I doubt he'll die trying to see who has the biggest junk. Getting killed (or stabbed 10 times) has nothing to do with science.

Daken is a planner as you have noticed.

Mimic should suspect something, but Ill go with the he wants prove himself to Norman out. Its not like jean is there to help him think.

Weapon Omega is crazy I guess. I don't know him well, but don't see him as a person who would charge headfirst into a disaster. He didn't act so psychotic in Omega Flight. not to mention that mutants should be charred corpses when they are around him......oh well.

And I know alot of the Dark avengers are crazy, but they aren't stupid. Bullseye knows he has an extreme disadvantage against superhumans. And cyclops knew who Bullseye was? Really?

Karla isn't into walking into a death trap, but then again who knows how she is now?

Venom is an idiot. He'll do whatever Norman says.

Ares fights with honor mostly. I guess he'll be crazy for this issue.

No comment on Sentry.

Wheres my Marvelboy? He was supposed to hook up with an X-girl in the old interviews and I didn't see it.

I'm over it though. Its not whining, I just need a little bit of sense. If you got psychics and your back is against the wall, Use them!!

[ExodusCloak]

Dark Beast knows the X-men. I doubt he'll die trying to see who has the biggest junk. Getting killed (or stabbed 10 times) has nothing to do with science.

Dark Beast doesn't even remember Emma how's he going to remember the X-Men?


Daken is a planner as you have noticed.

Daken just got out bitched and his face smashed into the floor.

Mimic should suspect something, but Ill go with the he wants prove himself to Norman out. Its not like jean is there to help him think.

Mimic is just happy to be getting some panel time.

Weapon Omega is crazy I guess. I don't know him well, but don't see him as a person who would charge headfirst into a disaster. He didn't act so psychotic in Omega Flight. not to mention that mutants should be charred corpses when they are around him......oh well.

He was never a complete junkie in Marvel Comics Presents but he's become a full on junkie under Fractions pen. Junkies aren't planners.

[Monty_Cristo]

I'm on Psylocke's side, but I do love Karla. I'm just stating the obvious.

I'm not going to bust in this thread and declare Psylocke strongest of all the Dark/Avengers/XMen just because she is my favorite.

good because Shortpack is the strongest there is.

I'm not whining, I'm just tired of the psychics always doing nothing.

me too. where's my effing Shortpack appearance, Gilbert?!

[Daniel Mengsk]

good because Shortpack is the strongest there is.

Aha, so Shortpack is Scott's secret weapon against the Sentry? :wink:

[Monty_Cristo]

Aha, so Shortpack is Scott's secret weapon against the Sentry? :wink:

he can act as his subconscious and steer him towards his own teammates.

[Daniel Mengsk]

he can act as his subconscious and steer him towards his own teammates.

LOL Brilliant Monty, brilliant. You should have told Matt F. earlier.

[CmX]

he can act as his subconscious and steer him towards his own teammates.

lol That actually sounds like a great idea! Bob is fucking crazy, this would work.

[Hi-Fi]

Karla losing to Nekra, Frenzy and Bling makes no sense. Why the hell would she become tangible during a fight?

Despite that, this looks like it could be a fun fight!

I wonder if Rogue will appear. Probably not.

[Perfection/Emma 2]

Okay let the match begin

Cyclops vs Mimic: Mimic comes at Cyclops with a Wing Attack, but Cyclops dodges it as he uses Focus Energy. Mimic then uses Optic Blast as Cyclops does the same as the two Optic Blast tries to out do the other, but Cyclops is stronger and take Mimic out

Archangel vs Bullseye: Bullseye quickly uses Pin Missles as Archangel uses Steel Wing to slap the missles away as then Archangel does Aeriel Ace and without fail, take Bullseye out

Storm vs Ares: Ares comes at Storm with a powerful Double Edge as Storm spins in the sky for a bit, but quickly gains balance as Storm then performs Rain Dance and makes it rain around her and Ares and as the rain gets into Ares's eyes, Storm taking a number from Pikachu does Thunderbolt and K.O.'s Ares

Emma versus Sentry: Sentry quickly starts the match with a Tackle Attack as Emma performs Harden and as Sentry collides with Emma, due to Emma's using Harden, Sentry is bounced back, but far from beaten. Emma then uses "Dis" as Emma says to Sentry "Yo mama so ugly she put boogie man out of business" as then Sentry's self esteem begins to crumble as Sentry angrily comes at Emma with a Mega Punch, but Emma counters with Double Team as Sentry ends up hitting a fake as Emma follows up with Dis and says "Yo Mama so ugly minutes afters she was born her mama shouted "what a treasure!" and her father said "Yes now let's go and bury her" and with the horrible horrible Yo Mama jokes getting to Sentry he used Self Destruct destroying him along with Emma

[Monty_Cristo]

all you really need to survive a Sentry attack is time to pose the following question to him, "Are you the Sentry or are you the Void?" he doesn't know for certain so he'll have to go off and think about it.

[CmX]

all you really need to survive a Sentry attack is time to pose the following question to him, "Are you the Sentry or are you the Void?" he doesn't know for certain so he'll have to go off and think about it.

Bendis is trying so hard for the Sentry to happen. It's just not.

[cbrer]

Sentry is sooooooo fetch.

[wolvie616]

Im pretty sure proffesor x. needs to show up, since he has not been seen for two issues now.......maybe he says "void" to sentry and makes him go off into space again?:biggrin:

[Monty_Cristo]

Bendis is trying so hard for the Sentry to happen. It's just not.

i'm surprised they didn't give him Weapon Omega's "section 8" personality. "i'ma throw something into sun now! KLEEENNEEEEXXXXX!!"

[CmX]

Im pretty sure proffesor x. needs to show up, since he has not been seen for two issues now.......maybe he says "void" to sentry and makes him go off into space again?:biggrin:

I thinking Magneto shows up in this issue and will even the odds for the X-Men.

[fortyseven]

Sentry is sooooooo fetch.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8747/laceychabertmeangirls023zl.gif

[kcviking]

I wonder if Moonstone is turned on by Bullseye in the Hawkeye outfit....in Thunderbolts, Clint and Karla were getting hot and heavy for a bit.

Again, does no one else find it ridiculous that 50 mutants are supposed to be evenly matched to 8 Avengers??

Also, has it been stated that the island is Asteroid M?

Swashbuckler go back and read the first page of the preview.The island is Asteroid M.

[chemicalx]

Sentry is sooooooo fetch.

Stop trying to make Fetch happen...


really i am just in this to see what happens with Dani...

[fortyseven]

I do not like the fact that they are calling this island Asteroid M.
Continuity Error!
I really wish they would have just done a wee bit of research and know to call this Providence. Providence is soo fetch.

That's my only problem though. I'm actually pretty excited about how this is all goona end! :)

[CmX]

I was really hoping it was going to be Providence. It make no sense for it to be Asteroid M. How could they have made an error like this? Well I know Fraction would, but the editors couldn't have caught this and suggested Providence instead?

[The Jeeper 2.0]

It is ridiculous. There's no tension in this story. We all know that the Great General Cyclops will prevail.

No, Fraction never states anything. He leaves all the explaining to Carey and Cornell.

Hooray for reading. It says it is Asteriod M on the summary page.

[fortyseven]

I was really hoping it was going to be Providence. It make no sense for it to be Asteroid M. How could they have made an error like this? Well I know Fraction would, but the editors couldn't have caught this and suggested Providence instead?

I'm gonna pretend that it's Providence.
I don't even think any version of Asteroid M ever crashed into any body of water ever (if I'm wrong, can someone correct me?).
So where they got this random Asteroid M in the ocean makes no sense. It's Providence, Scott's just confused.

[coveredinbees]

What? I didn't read the last issue. Did they name Providence? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Providence_(comics)

[Robbiebob_16]

I like X-23 saying "as you wish". Maybe Scott should just shove her in a lamp and ask for three wishes.

[chemicalx]

I'm gonna pretend that it's Providence.
I don't even think any version of Asteroid M ever crashed into any body of water ever (if I'm wrong, can someone correct me?).
So where they got this random Asteroid M in the ocean makes no sense. It's Providence, Scott's just confused.

The asteroid was blowed up good...

[fortyseven]

What? I didn't read the last issue. Did they name Providence? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Providence_(comics)

No they didn't call it Providence. They called it Asteroid M.

Question: Was Avalon just a fancy name for Asteroid M? Or are they two seperate things?

[Drey]

Stop trying to make Fetch happen...

I've never even heard of fetch until 5 minutes ago...

really i am just in this to see what happens with Dani...

Perfection/Emma 2- lol, too much Pokemon. I think Mimic would beat Cyclops though because he can use more than one power at a time.

[Disco Jess Minge]

No they didn't call it Providence. They called it Asteroid M.

Question: Was Avalon just a fancy name for Asteroid M? Or are they two seperate things?

I think they were two separate things. Fraction and Alonso is calling it Asteroid M because they need to fit it in with Magneto's storyline. I'm willing to lay down serious money that Mags will at some point take control of the island and make it attack the X-Men or something lame like that.

[kcviking]

No they didn't call it Providence. They called it Asteroid M.

Question: Was Avalon just a fancy name for Asteroid M? Or are they two seperate things?

If memory serves,Avalon was the refurbished Graymalkin(Cables orbiting space station) and Asteroid M crashed on Earth somewhere. Two different entities.

[jmc247]

I don't even think any version of Asteroid M ever crashed into any body of water ever (if I'm wrong, can someone correct me?).
So where they got this random Asteroid M in the ocean makes no sense.

X-Men 3

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w281/ech1969/v2i3Xmen-page21.jpg

[fortyseven]

If memory serves,Avalon was the refurbished Graymalkin(Cables orbiting space station) and Asteroid M crashed on Earth somewhere. Two different entities.

I think they were two separate things. Fraction and Alonso is calling it Asteroid M because they need to fit it in with Magneto's storyline. I'm willing to lay down serious money that Mags will at some point take control of the island and make it attack the X-Men or something lame like that.

Cool thanks guys!
Ugg. It would be so dumb if Magneto did that.
I don't see why they couldn't have Magneto come into the story simply because this whole Nation-X thing Scott is doing is the exact same thing Eric tried doing years ago. I dislike the fact that they possibly felt the need to called this island Asteroid M because that's how they'll include Mags.
With good storytelling, any reader could see the similarities between Nation-X and Asteroid M... they don't need to flat out call the island Asteroid M for us to make the connection.

[fortyseven]

X-Men 3

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w281/ech1969/v2i3Xmen-page21.jpg



And that crashed into the Middle East right? Cause Forge went to investigate the reckage?

[jmc247]

And that crashed into the Middle East right? Cause Forge went to investigate the reckage?

It looks like pieces of it might have crashed all over the place. Certainly, on impact it all likely wouldn't be one piece like the Asteroid we see here.

[kcviking]

Didn't Xorn put Logan & jean on M and send it towards the sun?

maybe I'm getting old and my mind is playing tricks on me.

[jmc247]

Didn't Xorn put Logan & jean on M and send it towards the sun?

There has been many different Asteroid M's over the years.

This first version is destroyed in a battle with the original team of X-Men in the fifth issue ever of X-Men.

The second version was seen in Uncanny 113 and was wiped out during New Mutants.

The third was the one we saw in the new X-Men series. Of course during Fatal Attractions he had a new home named Avalon which was wiped out. And, another version went into the sun in Planet X.

[kcviking]

So many asteroids,so little time.

Thanks for the info jmc.

i'm kind of hoping they teleport Sentry to Limbo and see what happens.

[nikbackm]

Well, you're the one that insisted on having faith on Fraction's writing, don't tell me I never told you not to do so:tongue:

Oh, I still have plenty of faith in Fraction despite this minor gaffe.


The sad part is that this ISN'T Emma's "most out there" characterization under Fraction. The "You're never alone, Peter! Ever!" thing was even worse. And it's not "out there", is "completely ridiculous".

Not to me it was. I really had no problems with that scene. Granted, the line was sappy as was the art, but her intent (comforting Colossus) was fine even if a more tough-love approach to it would have been better.

This is something else altogether.

Emma's inner monologue as I read it:

"Oh noes, Scott is keeping secrets and locking me out. What to do?"

Storm: Be a leader and your paths will join again sometime.

"I'll go off protecting mutantkind by doing what I do best. Then Scott will take me into his confidence again"

Scott: We can't continue like this anymore. We must come clean.

"Yes! This is the moment I've been waiting for. But wait, what if he doesn't approve of what I have done and casts me off! It's surely better to continue being estranged instead of risking what little we still have". :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



But breaking them up wouldn't redeem it at all, in fact it would be the opposite, the one thing missing for Fraction to "surpass" Austen and Milligan. Would be the last "f*ck you" to Morrison, right after having mutants isolated again and (perhaps) reviving something he had literally thrown at the sun.

It would redeem this particular storyline somewhat. I don't mind a bait and switch with no changes of any consequence afterwards as long as the execution is good. Which it wasn't here. At least Emma would have had some cause for her inexplicable cowardliness there instead of merely coming across as a lovesick fool. Well, maybe Yost can still make it come across a little better even without breaking them up. As long as we don't hear any "You silly goose, you should have known better!" from Scott it should not get any worse at least.

With all the other f*ck you's already directed at Morrison I don't see how just one more would matter much. Not that it will happen of course, the rest of Utopia has made that very very clear.

Took you long enough, lol. :tongue:

Hm, thanks. I guess.

I thinking Magneto shows up in this issue and will even the odds for the X-Men.

Even though the Uncanny #516 solicit is simply "He returns"?

So many asteroids,so little time.


Probably best to pretend this is one of Magneto's backup Asteroid Ms that had escaped anyone's attention until now.

[worstblogever]

No they didn't call it Providence. They called it Asteroid M.

Question: Was Avalon just a fancy name for Asteroid M? Or are they two seperate things?

I keep bringing this one up but it's like this...

Asteroid M was Magneto's original asteroid base. It was long abandoned until Morrison's run, when it was destroyed when it went into the sun.

Avalon was Magneto's second base, which was co-opted and made from Cable's "Graymalkin" ship. Cable took parts from the crashed Avalon, and used them to make Providence, and it sunk into the sea in X-Men (vol. 2) #199, after the Hecatomb hit there.

Here's some profiles from uncannyxmen.net on both for reference:
Asteroid M (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/atlas/showquestion.asp?faq=9&fldAuto=76)

Avalon (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/atlas/showquestion.asp?faq=9&fldAuto=78)

If you ask me, which, you didn't, but if you did? This is one of the bigger continuity errors of the past few years, and Fraction's going to have his hands full trying to explain it away.

[Marvelfan278]

This is one of the bigger continuity errors of the past few years, and Fraction's going to have his hands full trying to explain it away.

I think Marvel's just going to adopt the policy of "Because I fucking said you prick!" when it comes to the continuity being questioned, it's actually preferable to some of their half-assed explanations like retconning out all of Grant Morrison's New X-Men Work.

There's a poll in the making "Bad Excuse or No excuse at all for Continuity problems?"

[The Lucky One]

Here's some profiles from uncannyxmen.net on both for reference:
Asteroid M (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/atlas/showquestion.asp?faq=9&fldAuto=76)

If you ask me, which, you didn't, but if you did? This is one of the bigger continuity errors of the past few years, and Fraction's going to have his hands full trying to explain it away.

Soooo... if I understand correctly, Asteroid M blew up in X-Men #3, and the main portion of it crashed in Kuwait and was recovered in UXM #299, with Cyclops and Forge confirming it. However, a sizable second portion apparently remained in space, where Logan and Jean were put on it in Morrison's run until it was sent into the sun. And a THIRD large piece had apparently crashed into the ocean sometime and is now Peentangle Island, although technically this could be another chunk of the Asteroid M that was destroyed by Warlock, the main portion of which Magneto himself destroyed in X-Men vs. the Avengers #2.

I've gotta say, I do love how Magneto keeps building his bases in distinct, easy-to-separate chunks. Asteroid M is like Voltron.

-D

[jmc247]

That Asteroid M that they raised from the water is in far far too good shape to have fallen through the atmosphere and hit the water. Therefore, it must have been a new Asteroid M that Magneto has been building sometime in the past.

[Leirus]

Wow, Asteroid M must have been really big to have all those big chunks. And may I ask, how did those buildings survive the entry in the earth´s atmosphere?

Nh, ok, I am willing to ignore those details... It bugs me, but whatever...

[UserIDGoesHere]

That Asteroid M that they raised from the water is in far far too good shape to have fallen through the atmosphere and hit the water. Therefore, it must have been a new Asteroid M that Magneto has been building sometime in the past.
Sounds good to me. Thanks.

[steve2275]

um where is exodus anyway?
i doubt norman just let him go at the end of legacy 225

[streator]

um where is exodus anyway?
i doubt norman just let him go at the end of legacy 225

if i remember correctly norman just took xavier and flew off; exodus would presumably still be with the other acolytes somewhere.

[CmX]

Even though the Uncanny #516 solicit is simply "He returns"?

Well what do you want the solicit to read? "After returning in the finale of Utopia! --" ?

[nikbackm]

Well what do you want the solicit to read? "After returning in the finale of Utopia! --" ?

There's also another classified Uncanny issue before Uncanny #516 with the "He returns" solicit so if he already shows up in Exodus the "return" seems a fair bit too late. Additionally, Fraction already has a deus ex machina coming out of nowhere to save the X-Men; look no further than Dani Moonstar and her soon to be returned godly powers. Adding another would be overkill.

And let's not forget Scott's infallible plan that will save the day when all is said and done, do you really think Fraction will have Magneto upstage him in his moment of greatness? Or maybe Scott's plan is so perfect that it also accounts for Magneto conveniently returning from his trip in outer space at just the right moment?

[Majinoaw]

There's also another classified Uncanny issue before Uncanny #516 with the "He returns" solicit so if he already shows up in Exodus the "return" seems a fair bit too late. Additionally, Fraction already has a deus ex machina coming out of nowhere to save the X-Men; look no further than Dani Moonstar and her soon to be returned godly powers. Adding another would be overkill.

And let's not forget Scott's infallible plan that will save the day when all is said and done, do you really think Fraction will have Magneto upstage him in his moment of greatness? Or maybe Scott's plan is so perfect that it also accounts for Magneto suddenly returning from his trip in outer space?

I think Magneto and Cyclops are going to make an interesting dynamic. I hope that Xavier isn't still thrown into the mix. Honestly there is no place for him now.

[worstblogever]

There's also another classified Uncanny issue before Uncanny #516 with the "He returns" solicit so if he already shows up in Exodus the "return" seems a fair bit too late. Additionally, Fraction already has a deus ex machina coming out of nowhere to save the X-Men; look no further than Dani Moonstar and her soon to be returned godly powers. Adding another would be overkill.

And let's not forget Scott's infallible plan that will save the day when all is said and done, do you really think Fraction will have Magneto upstage him in his moment of greatness? Or maybe Scott's plan is so perfect that it also accounts for Magneto conveniently returning from his trip in outer space at just the right moment?

At this point, in interviews I've seen where Magneto, or Cyclops are mentioned, I can't tell who Fraction has a bigger man-crush on to one-up the other.

Of course, he does also lie in interviews regarding X-characters, so there's that.

[yanapryde]

At this point, in interviews I've seen where Magneto, or Cyclops are mentioned, I can't tell who Fraction has a bigger man-crush on to one-up the other.

Of course, he does also lie in interviews regarding X-characters, so there's that.

Right? What is that about?
What happened to integrity as a writer? If he's so clever he ought to be able to talk around questions rather than flat out lie. That's wack.

I'm now envisioning the likely countless posts that would follow a statement about Fraction, including the words "integrity as a writer".
My apologies CBR inhabitants.:tongue: