who do you think is the most underappreciated x man of all time?

[Goshin]

BANSHEE!

With the exception og generation x sean cassidy has always been screwed over.

He was a foe-turned-friend in the 60s and one of the first mutants the original team encountered. A lotta fans wrote in saying he should be an x-man.

Ten years later he finally joins the team and was present during many major events just like storm, kurt, etc thunderbirds death, phoenix saga, and that big long trip around the world.

He was the only x-man to last more than five minutes against magneto the first time the new team fought him, he always jumped in at the right time in a battle and a highlight is when banshee blew out his vocal cords to prevent moses magnum from sinking an entire country! And his reward? Ten years of marvel limbo. During the 80s he was banging moira when he wasn't getting his ass kicked by warpath.

He gets his powers back and is reaponsible for helping put the team back together right before the blue and gold team and his reward? Playing janitor/background character with forge until he finally gets to shine in gen x.

And after gen x? Gets his throat slit losing his powers again and getting killed by a bitch ass airplane. That's as stupid as crocodile hunter getting killed by a baby stingray after wrestling gators for twenty years.

If it were up to me banshee would be as iconic as wolverine nightcrawler and cyclops.

Here's hoping necrosha changes that......


But I'd like to raise a toast to sean cassidy, a man who could not be harmed as long as he was wearing his protective jamaican colors....

[Free-Man]

Can it be from any of the spinoff teams? Because I'm thinking:

http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/pictures/comics/Marvel/FleerUltraXMen95/MondoGenX.JPG

and

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29010/806042-jesseb_super.jpg

[peopleofpaper]

Wolverine :smile:

[Kasper Cole]

Yeah it probably is Banshee, he never got to do much outside of being a teacher and cop, then Brubaker killed him of no apparent reason.

If not for him I'd say Iceman and Colossus.

[TJKernan]

Betsy Braddock aka Psylocke, pre-Kwannon, Crimson Dawn, ninja crap.
Loved Brit Betsy. In the Outback. Versus Sabertooth.
Then came the silly Siege Perilous and all the convoluted garbage afterwards where all the fun of the original character disappeared.

[The Thunderbird]

Yeah, I agree that Banshee is one of the most underappreciated X-Men.

Other examples include Iceman, Colossus, Havok, and Jean Grey (without the Phoenix).

[Filthy Mutie]

It's a shame that Banshee's arrival outside of Generation-X signified something dumb was going to happen to him at the end of the arc. Imagine how manic I was when Banshee and Abyss were in the same book for a minute (X-Corps) only to both be wasted and shuffled off to limbo.

Grown men do cry.

[Free-Man]

Banshee? PLEASE. Sunfire got reated WAY worse.

[psycwave]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29010/806042-jesseb_super.jpg

OMG I LOVE YOU!

[Justin K.]

Dazzler

- Debuts in Uncanny
- Has a solo book and makes minor appearances in Uncanny
- Joins the Aussie team; Siege Peilous then wakes up at Lila Cheney's.
- Disappears, reappears with Longshot; gone for most of the 90s.
- New Excalibur
- Uncanny X-men Wallpaper; cameo queen.

[Disco Jess Minge]

Dazzler

- Debuts in Uncanny
- Has a solo book and makes minor appearances in Uncanny
- Joins the Aussie team; Siege Peilous then wakes up at Lila Cheney's.
- Disappears, reappears with Longshot; gone for most of the 90s.
- New Excalibur
- Uncanny X-men Wallpaper; cameo queen.
THIS times a THOUSAND MILLION GAJILLION.

[Free-Man]

THIS times a THOUSAND MILLION GAJILLION.

*Tapes your and Justinkos' mouths*

At least she HAD her own book and remained with the X-Men for a while!! Sunfire left after like one issue, made some cameos, joined an awful stereotype team of Asians, and then was turned into a villain.

I love Dazz, but she's FAR from the most underappreciated X-Man.

[Talisman]

Sunfire and Banshee for my picks.

[NewMutant]

Banshee? PLEASE. Sunfire got reated WAY worse.

Sunfire wasn't really an X-Man in my book.

(I know he is to everyone else, but helping them on one mission does not an X-Man make.)

[Goshin]

Sunfire


In thirty years no writer has ever made him a fulltime x-man outside of AoA and was only an x-man for one day in the 70s. He recently came back as AoA sunfire as a villain but is once again in limbo.

And nobody ever wants to write jean sans phoenix force. The best jean years were 1985-2000.

[fortyseven]

Banshee? PLEASE. Sunfire got reated WAY worse.

No way (imo). Shiro was written out so early that he barely even counts as an X-Man. Banshee was a member for a long time, and was a part of plenty of big storylines, and actually pulled his weight as a member, unlike Shiro could just quit. Banshee should be up in the ranks of Nightcralwer, Storm and Colossus in terms of "importance" and "iconic-ness". And yet he always gets shifted off to limbo... it's like no one wants to use him. It's really unfortunate.

If Banshee was a member of the Aussie team (instead of Longshot), he probably would have been up to the status he should be. The Aussie team +Banshee, -Longshot would have been absolute GOLD. :biggrin:

[fortyseven]

Sunfire wasn't really an X-Man in my book.

(I know he is to everyone else, but helping them on one mission does not an X-Man make.)

I completely agree. I never count Sunfire. He's as much as an X-Man as Wraith, Sunpyre and Omerta.

[NewMutant]

No way (imo). Shiro was written out so early that he barely even counts as an X-Man. Banshee was a member for a long time, and was a part of plenty of big storylines, and actually pulled his weight as a member, unlike Shiro could just quit. Banshee should be up in the ranks of Nightcralwer, Storm and Colossus in terms of "importance" and "iconic-ness". And yet he always gets shifted off to limbo... it's like no one wants to use him. It's really unfortunate.

If Banshee was a member of the Aussie team (instead of Longshot), he probably would have been up to the status he should be. The Aussie team +Banshee, -Longshot would have been absolute GOLD. :biggrin:

Agreed. Had he come back after Muir Island Saga and joined a team he would definitely be up there. But he just sort of faded away.

Sunfire might be "underappreciated" but he is barely an X-Man all the New Mutants stuff are more important underappreciated X-Related characters.

I would also say Mondo wasn't really on Generation X either.

[NewMutant]

I completely agree. I never count Sunfire. He's as much as an X-Man as Wraith, Sunpyre and Omerta.

hahaha. I forgot about them.

I find it hard to even include Vulcan/Darwin/Sway/Petra X-Men either. They did one mission and died.

I hated when people considered Sabbretooth in the 90s and even in Careys run. He was living at the mansion. Not a team member. He was more of a team member during Carey's run but still only because he was there for protection. Just like I don't really count Lady Mastermind because the whole reason she was there was to betray the X-Men.

Or Moonstar because she helped the X-Men in like one issue in the 90s.

Thats part of the problem with Cyclops and his Army X-Men now... being an X-Men should be an honor and important. But now any mutant is an X-Man. It's not something the New/Young X-Men are working towards they already are. Any mutant living is now basically an X-Man.

[Free-Man]

I would also say Mondo wasn't really on Generation X either.

Well, the whole clone thing is a bit odd. But even though he betrayed them in the end, clone Mondo did fight alongside them for a long time and saved their asses a couple of times.

Plus, in the AOA, he was a TRUE hero and he gave his life to save Magick. I only think he's underappreciated because no one has used him in nearly nine years.

[Free-Man]

hahaha. I forgot about them.

I find it hard to even include Vulcan/Darwin/Sway/Petra X-Men either. They did one mission and died.


Darwin survived, joined the Professor's short lived team that went after the Shi'ar, and now he's on X-Factor.

[Filthy Mutie]

Sunfire was a dick.* Also, not an X-Man by choice.



*This doesn't mean I dislike Sunfire! - FM

[NewMutant]

Well, the whole clone thing is a bit odd. But even though he betrayed them in the end, clone Mondo did fight alongside them for a long time and saved their asses a couple of times.

Plus, in the AOA, he was a TRUE hero and he gave his life to save Magick. I only think he's underappreciated because no one has used him in nearly nine years.

AOA is an alternate reality and doesn't count. When in Gen X did actual Mondo do anything? Much less anything heroic.

Darwin survived, joined the Professor's short lived team that went after the Shi'ar, and now he's on X-Factor.

Yes, I would consider Darwin an X-Man after Deadly Gensis because of RaFotSE.

As for X-Factor... thats part of my point. Characters on X-Factor are not X-Men. They are two different things.

[Free-Man]

And how can I forget:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/Maggottproflie.jpg

[Free-Man]

AOA is an alternate reality and doesn't count. When in Gen X did actual Mondo do anything? Much less anything heroic.


I believe he saved Paige's life when he first appeared, and he took part in a number of battles with the team.

[Fatguy]

And how can I forget:

Easily! Most people already have.

[Personamanx]

I think Chamber deserves more Appreciation.

[Goshin]

How the hell can people hate longshot and like gambit at the same time? Longshot was the template for Gambit and even the word gambit means the same thing as a longshot

And Longshot had a thing for rogue too

[yanapryde]

SHORTPACK

y'hear that Monty?

[fortyseven]

hahaha. I forgot about them.

I find it hard to even include Vulcan/Darwin/Sway/Petra X-Men either. They did one mission and died.

I hated when people considered Sabbretooth in the 90s and even in Careys run. He was living at the mansion. Not a team member. He was more of a team member during Carey's run but still only because he was there for protection. Just like I don't really count Lady Mastermind because the whole reason she was there was to betray the X-Men.

Or Moonstar because she helped the X-Men in like one issue in the 90s.

Thats part of the problem with Cyclops and his Army X-Men now... being an X-Men should be an honor and important. But now any mutant is an X-Man. It's not something the New/Young X-Men are working towards they already are. Any mutant living is now basically an X-Man.

WOW. I completely agree. That's how I've always thought about the X-Men. You litteraly took the thoughts out of my head.
There's about 20 - 25 characters who, in my mind, are/were X-Men:
Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Iceman, Angel, Havok, Polaris, Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Banshee, Shadowcat, Rogue, Psylocke, Dazzler, Gambit, Bishop, Cannonball, Marrow(maybe), Emma Frost.
I really should include Rachel and Longshot... but I just don't lol :tongue: They kinda fall in the same category as Husk, Chamber, Maggot, Cece, Juggernaut etc. (at least in my mind)
And I'm almost on the verge of inlcuding Northstar (and maybe Warpath) if he actually does something X-Men related sometime soon. This is all, however, in my opinion.

[NewMutant]

I believe he saved Paige's life when he first appeared, and he took part in a number of battles with the team.

Which battles?

He was in like one Annual issue. Where he fought with the team. Joins for their prom/dance issue. Then doesn't do anything till he betrays them in issue 25. Then doesn't make an appearance till the Dodson run and that for like two issues with Juggernaut and Black Tom.

Might just be a difference of opinions. He was cool in AoA, but again different universe.

[fortyseven]

How the hell can people hate longshot and like gambit at the same time? Longshot was the template for Gambit and even the word gambit means the same thing as a longshot

And Longshot had a thing for rogue too

I dunno... I like Gambit, and don't really care all that much for Longshot. I think it's their personalities that do it for me. Remy is swave, mysterious (at least should be), and cool. Longshot, while still cool-ish, wasn't socially aware of things... he was more like a child at times (imo). Plus, I grew up with Gambit (from TAS)... Longshot just isn't appealing to me.

[RandomlyChelle]

Id say Banshee even tho i never liked him lol id also mention Polaris as most underappreciated X-woman.

[RolandJP]

Thunderbird..

The only reason X-fans remember him is because of Legacy characters that bare the same name.

[Talisman]

Thunderbird..

The only reason X-fans remember him is because of Legacy characters that bare his name.
His brother should go back to using that name after Necrosha is over with.

[Free-Man]

WOW. I completely agree. That's how I've always thought about the X-Men. You litteraly took the thoughts out of my head.
There's about 20 - 25 characters who, in my mind, are/were X-Men:
Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Iceman, Angel, Havok, Polaris, Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Banshee, Shadowcat, Rogue, Psylocke, Dazzler, Gambit, Bishop, Cannonball, Marrow, Emma Frost.
I really should include Rachel and Longshot... but I just don't lol :tongue: They kinda fall in the same category as Husk, Chamber, Maggot, Cece, Juggernaut etc. (at least in my mind)
And I'm almost on the verge of inlcuding Northstar (and maybe Warpath) if he actually does something X-Men related sometime soon. This is all, however, in my opinion.

You can't really count Husk or Northstar in the same league with Maggot though.
Paige got treated like crap after Gen X, but so did everyone else on that team. Hell, Synch got blown up!

But Maggott was with the X-Men for a while, then he tried to join Gen X only to wash out. And after that? Kidnapped and gassed.

At least Paige got to have sex in front of her parents!:tongue:

[Kasper Cole]

Ms Marvel is more of an X-Man than Shiro ever was.

Dazzler is under appreciated but not as much as Banshee.

[fortyseven]

You can't really count Husk or Northstar in the same league with Maggot though.
Paige got treated like crap after Gen X, but so did everyone else on that team. Hell, Synch got blown up!

But Maggott was with the X-Men for a while, then he tried to join Gen X only to wash out. And after that? Kidnapped and gassed.

At least Paige got to have sex in front of her parents!:tongue:

That's true lol!
I think of it like this
Northstar > Husk >>>>>>>>>>>> Maggot in terms of who was more of an X-Man.

[Free-Man]

That's true lol!
I think of it like this
Northstar > Husk >>>>>>>>>>>> Maggot in terms of who was more of an X-Man.

Paige was certainly more of an X-Man than Maggott, if only because of how long her tenure with the X-family was.

But Maggott wasn't like Sunfire or the Moira's botched Deadly Genesis team. He wasn't just around for one failed mission. He was with them for a while and got screwed over in the end.

CeCe Reyes was in the same boat as well, but her offscreen death was recently retconned by Marjorie Liu.

[NewMutant]

WOW. I completely agree. That's how I've always thought about the X-Men. You litteraly took the thoughts out of my head.
There's about 20 - 25 characters who, in my mind, are/were X-Men:
Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Iceman, Angel, Havok, Polaris, Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Banshee, Shadowcat, Rogue, Psylocke, Dazzler, Gambit, Bishop, Cannonball, Marrow, Emma Frost.
I really should include Rachel and Longshot... but I just don't lol :tongue: They kinda fall in the same category as Husk, Chamber, Maggot, Cece, Juggernaut etc. (at least in my mind)
And I'm almost on the verge of inlcuding Northstar (and maybe Warpath) if he actually does something X-Men related sometime soon. This is all, however, in my opinion.

I consider.... (of the top of my head)....
Cyclops
Jean Grey
Beast
Iceman
Angel
Havok
Polaris
Storm
Wolverine
Nightcrawler
Colossus
Banshee
Thunderbird (counts, but really unimportant)
Shadowcat
Rogue
Rachel Summers/Grey (only used when Jean is dead and shouldn't)
Psylocke
Dazzler
Longshot
Jubilee
Gambit
Bishop
Cannonball
Marrow
Cable
Emma Frost
Chamber (written in officially but wasn't there long enough)
Northstar
Warpath
Darwin (written in officially but wasn't there long enough)
Hepzibah
Armor

not really...

Husk... was just at the mansion and randomly went on missions because Angel is a pedophile.

Forge was a supporting character.

Cecila was never really on missions, she was more of supporting character. Almost becoming a Moira.

Maggot was found and then left. Never did anything.

M was apart of X-Corps not X-Men.

Stacey X just stayed at the mansion.

Lifeguard, Slipstream, and Thunderbird 3 were basically on a side team in X-Treme but thats when Marvel named every X-book X-Men and not sperate titles.

etc. etc.

sorry if I'm forgetting anyone.

[Free-Man]

Cecila was never really on missions, she was more of supporting character. Almost becoming a Moira.
.

Forget you! They gave her a uniform, therefore she's an X-Man!!:tongue:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KWR_gvxCigs/SQjPknLnroI/AAAAAAAAAi8/GuMdlXyUZq4/s320/Cecilia_Reyes.jpg

[prince_nightcrawler]

Jean Grey and Jubilee.

[Personamanx]

If you get a Uniform with an X on it You are An X-Man.

[Washout]

Marrow--She was on her way to the big leagues in the nineties, then Claremont came back, and now she's a nobody.

[fortyseven]

If you get a Uniform with an X on it You are An X-Man.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/12463/405468-19361-sunder.jpg
I vote Sunder as most underappreciated X-Men lol :tongue: kidding :)

Marrow--She was on her way to the big leagues in the nineties, then Claremont came back, and now she's a nobody.

Agreed! She had actually made progress, and evolved as a character (maybe a little too soft for my liking, but still) with the X-Men, and then Claremont made her disappear. I really wish she would have stuck around... she would have fit in quite well with X-Treme X-Men, and then X-Force now.
But all she gets is returning to being a villian over and over again. I think P.A.D. should have X-Cell return, and then write Marrow into X-Factor.

PS: 347 posts!!!!

[Free-Man]

Marrow--She was on her way to the big leagues in the nineties, then Claremont came back, and now she's a nobody.

Yeah. Spyke and X-23 kinda screwed her over, at least that's how I look at it.

[Filthy Mutie]

Actually, Jubilee got it pretty bad, too.

[NewMutant]

Forget you! They gave her a uniform, therefore she's an X-Man!!:tongue:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KWR_gvxCigs/SQjPknLnroI/AAAAAAAAAi8/GuMdlXyUZq4/s320/Cecilia_Reyes.jpg

GAH! I did love her though!

If you get a Uniform with an X on it You are An X-Man.

no.

Marrow--She was on her way to the big leagues in the nineties, then Claremont came back, and now she's a nobody.


Agreed! She had actually made progress, and evolved as a character (maybe a little too soft for my liking, but still) with the X-Men, and then Claremont made her disappear. I really wish she would have stuck around... she would have fit in quite well with X-Treme X-Men, and then X-Force now.
But all she gets is returning to being a villian over and over again. I think P.A.D. should have X-Cell return, and then write Marrow into X-Factor.


Yeah. Spyke and X-23 kinda screwed her over, at least that's how I look at it.

I agree with all of this. I loved Marrow. She was great as the young female Wolverine with out being a clone/daughter....

She was very significant in her time. She had a solid run on the X-Men. But like Longshot/Dazzler no one else knew what to do with her after she was written off.

Although I know she appeared in Weapon X. Then later X-Cell. But never as an X-Man.

[NewMutant]

Actually, Jubilee got it pretty bad, too.

She did. She probably got screwed the most out of the well known X-Men.

Granted Iceman, Angel, and a few others aren't always written well. She was written out of the book and basically didn't come back.

But people still know who she is.

[Personamanx]

We seem to disagree NewMutant........

[Free-Man]

Actually, Jubilee got it pretty bad, too.

I think it is kind of crummy what happened to Jubilee as well. But for a brief shining moment in the 90's, Jubilee was huge.

She was in the cartoon, the Marvel vs. Capcom series, and the lead character of Gen X. She just sort of dropped off after all that....

As for Marrow, Marvel was really building her up into the female Wolverine, and she even got a role in Marvel vs Capcom as well.

But unforunately, she got screwed over by both Spyke and X-23. Spyke (who I like, don't get me wrong) essentially screwed her out of ever appearing in X-Men: Evolution, (which could have been huge for her popularity). If you notice, when Evan joins the Morlocks, Marrow is the only major Morlock absent...

And then X-23 usurped her as being the crazy female Wolverine.

And then she was also one of the only Morlocks not to appear in the X-Men film series (which Spyke did appear in...coincidence? I think not!)

[fortyseven]

But unforunately, she got screwed over by both Spyke and X-23. Spyke (who I like, don't get me wrong) essentially screwed her out of ever appearing in X-Men: Evolution, (which could have been huge for her popularity). If you notice, when Evan joins the Morlocks, Marrow is the only major Morlock absent...


Agreed. If X-Men: Evo really needed cultural diversity, I don't understand why they didn't just use a young Bishop, as opposed to making a Marrow-copycat. They really did screw over her chances at some sort of exposure.

At least she's got a somewhat recurring role in W&TXM in Xavier's future team. She might disapear though, especially since the future changes at the end of the first season.

[Free-Man]

Agreed. If X-Men: Evo really needed cultural diversity, I don't understand why they didn't just use a young Bishop, as opposed to making a Marrow-copycat. They really did screw over her chances at some sort of exposure.

At least she's got a somewhat recurring role in W&TXM in Xavier's future team. She might disapear though, especially since the future changes at the end of the first season.

I wish they had done something like that too, but I can sorta understand where they came from. According to the producers, for some reason (the success of Static Shock?) the WB wouldn't greenlight the show unless they had at least one black male (which may also be why they sort of combined Rictor with Avalanche).

Young Bishop sounds like an obvious choice, but it'd be hard to stay true to the character without abandoing all the time travel non-sense. And though there have been a couple of other black X-characters (Synch, Maggott, Jesse Bedlam) none of them were really iconic enough to stand among the show's roster.

So I guess they felt the best way to do it was create a new black guy instead of just promoting some C-lister because of his race. And I'm sure they thought kids wouldn't know who Marrow was.

[4sake]

Agreed. If X-Men: Evo really needed cultural diversity, I don't understand why they didn't just use a young Bishop, as opposed to making a Marrow-copycat. They really did screw over her chances at some sort of exposure.


They should have used Synch & or Bedlam or both.

[NewMutant]

We seem to disagree NewMutant........

That's ok!

But do you really consider Sunder an X-Man?

[Justin K.]

*Tapes your and Justinkos' mouths*

At least she HAD her own book and remained with the X-Men for a while!! Sunfire left after like one issue, made some cameos, joined an awful stereotype team of Asians, and then was turned into a villain.

I love Dazz, but she's FAR from the most underappreciated X-Man.

I prefer a ball gag, to emulate a favourite of mine...
anyhow...

I did mention that she had her own book and was on the Aussie team, but it seems everything went downhill for her after that.
The fact that she was associated with Mojoworld, Longshot, and the rebellion would be embarassing
and a NEX makeover is not always a good thing. She was used there, but I felt misused, though it was a change nonetheless.

The underappreciation I speak of though is in Uncanny X-men. We have one moment of her blowing off a corpses face
Otherwise, just her input on the current situation, usually consisting of 1 or 2 speech bubbles.

I want to like her, but I need a reason to do so. She has a good visual, potential, and history, but it beats me why she's off in the background...

[4sake]

I wish they had done something like that too, but I can sorta understand where they came from. According to the producers, for some reason (the success of Static Shock?) the WB wouldn't greenlight the show unless they had at least one black male (which may also be why they sort of combined Rictor with Avalanche).

Young Bishop sounds like an obvious choice, but it'd be hard to stay true to the character without abandoing all the time travel non-sense. And though there have been a couple of other black X-characters (Synch, Maggott, Jesse Bedlam) none of them were really iconic enough to stand among the show's roster.

So I guess they felt the best way to do it was create a new black guy instead of just promoting some C-lister because of his race. And I'm sure they thought kids wouldn't know who Marrow was.

If they would've used Synch or Bedlam it would have made them more iconic/well known/popular. It may have also gotten more of a push in the comics & I doubt they would be dead/limboed still if they were used. If they used Maggott they would've been protest against & maybe sued lol...

[Personamanx]

That's ok!

But do you really consider Sunder an X-Man?

Well Im not quite Sure. I should have been a Wee bit more Specific. Was he Given the Uniform? (I've only been reading for a Few Years. I have not read that Storyline, but I know who Sunder is). Because If An X-Man gave him the Uniform I'd call him an X-man then.

[NewMutant]

I prefer a ball gag, to emulate a favourite of mine...
anyhow...

I did mention that she had her own book and was on the Aussie team, but it seems everything went downhill for her after that.
The fact that she was associated with Mojoworld, Longshot, and the rebellion would be embarassing
and a NEX makeover is not always a good thing. She was used there, but I felt misused, though it was a change nonetheless.

The underappreciation I speak of though is in Uncanny X-men. We have one moment of her blowing off a corpses face
Otherwise, just her input on the current situation, usually consisting of 1 or 2 speech bubbles.

I want to like her, but I need a reason to do so. She has a good visual, potential, and history, but it beats me why she's off in the background...

Yes, but it's dated. That's the main problem. I thought the pink hair was actually a decent idea... but she wasn't written well in NEX.

[peopleofpaper]

Betsy Braddock aka Psylocke, pre-Kwannon, Crimson Dawn, ninja crap.
Loved Brit Betsy. In the Outback. Versus Sabertooth.
Then came the silly Siege Perilous and all the convoluted garbage afterwards where all the fun of the original character disappeared.

I agree :frown: although, Asian Psylocke's appreciation is growing now

[fortyseven]

Well Im not quite Sure. I should have been a Wee bit more Specific. Was he Given the Uniform? (I've only been reading for a Few Years. I have not read that Storyline, but I know who Sunder is). Because If An X-Man gave him the Uniform I'd call him an X-man then.

Hmmm.. It might have been Moira who gave him the costume. So bad example.
What about Omerta and Wraith? They got costumes from Jean.

[Personamanx]

Yeah I'd call those two X-men. Brief Tenure's as X-men but still.

[Justin K.]

Yes, but it's dated. That's the main problem. I thought the pink hair was actually a decent idea... but she wasn't written well in NEX.

I meant her light powers, the sparkles and all that as a great visual, not so much the costume.

I would have liked the pink hair if it wasn't so short, something at least shoulder length. Heck, I'd take a pink bob.
I honestly think the pink would have looked better as streaks, though that's just me :P

[NewMutant]

Well Im not quite Sure. I should have been a Wee bit more Specific. Was he Given the Uniform? (I've only been reading for a Few Years. I have not read that Storyline, but I know who Sunder is). Because If An X-Man gave him the Uniform I'd call him an X-man then.

Yeah. As was Amanda Sefton and Legion. Part of Shadow Kings X-Men team.

I also think about the students. How many random non-speaking students have that out fit? They aren't X-Men. (again in my book)

It's similar with Dark Avengers... are they really Avengers? We know they are posers. I mean Daken is not Wolverine but he is calling himself that. Bullseye Hawkeye, etc. Just because they wear the suit doesn't mean they fit the part.

[Free-Man]

I agree :frown: although, Asian Psylocke's appreciation is growing now

I think Betsy is facing one of the problems Nick Fury will soon face: The majority of her mass medi appearances have used the Asian Betsy.

90's X-Men cartoon? Asian Betsy.

Marvel vs Capcom series? Asian Betsy.

X-Men: Children of the Atom? Asian Betsy.

Marvel Ultimate Alliance? Asian Betsy.

Wolverine and the X-Men: Asian Betsy.

X-Men The Last Stand? Asian Betsy.

Though the Next Dimmension had her as two seperate characters, Revanche and Asian Betsy.

[Free-Man]

I meant her light powers, the sparkles and all that as a great visual, not so much the costume.

I would have liked the pink hair if it wasn't so short, something at least shoulder length. Heck, I'd take a pink bob.
I honestly think the pink would have looked better as streaks, though that's just me :P

The problem witht he pink haired techno phase is that it made little sense character-wise.

Yes, you could say techno is the modern equivalent of disco in a certain sense (but so is R&B, hip hop, and pop) but she's a singer first and foremost. There was even a recent story where she says the techno phase was dumb because she never got to use her beautiful voice.

[Personamanx]

Well whenever there's a group of Mutants Assembled that For the most part Only participated in their particular Mission I Usually call them "The___________ X-Men".

EDIT: The _________ Being the name of that Mission Or Whatever.

[Fatguy]

Yeah, she's gonna be Asian forever at this point. Marvel would have to be nuts to change her back. I imagine the percentage of people clamoring for another body switch is pretty damn low.

[peopleofpaper]

I think Betsy is facing one of the problems Nick Fury will soon face: The majority of her mass medi appearances have used the Asian Betsy.

90's X-Men cartoon? Asian Betsy.

Marvel vs Capcom series? Asian Betsy.

X-Men: Children of the Atom? Asian Betsy.

Marvel Ultimate Alliance? Asian Betsy.

Wolverine and the X-Men: Asian Betsy.

X-Men The Last Stand? Asian Betsy.

Though the Next Dimmension had her as two seperate characters, Revanche and Asian Betsy.


I wouldn't even mind if they did some sort of clone thing or future daughter blah blah. I just want to see another reiteration of British Betsy by someone other than Fraction. I'm really interested in how she'd be shown in modern times. I've accepted that "Psylocke" will probably never be British again permanently, but I still would like a lilac haired telepath model sashaying around and keeping Emma in check :wink: Hopefully if XMF lasts CC might switch her back but I doubt it.

[NewMutant]

I think Betsy is facing one of the problems Nick Fury will soon face: The majority of her mass medi appearances have used the Asian Betsy.

90's X-Men cartoon? Asian Betsy.

Marvel vs Capcom series? Asian Betsy.

X-Men: Children of the Atom? Asian Betsy.

Marvel Ultimate Alliance? Asian Betsy.

Wolverine and the X-Men: Asian Betsy.

X-Men The Last Stand? Asian Betsy.

Though the Next Dimmension had her as two seperate characters, Revanche and Asian Betsy.

I see where you are going with that, but Nick Fury being black didn't change his personality, where Psylocke has been all over the place.

[4sake]

Jubilee
Bishop
Sunfire
Banshee
Cecilia Reyes
Gambit
Husk
Marrow
Prodigy

Side Teams
Synch
Bedlam
M
Boom Boom
Skin
Sage
Evangeline Whedon

[Perfection/Emma 2]

Sage, Skin, Jubilee, Husk, Storm, Siryn, Skid, Monet, Evangelina, Honeysuckle, Anole, Mercury, Dust, Ink, Rachel, and Rogue "Can't appreciate Rogue enough"

[Sunbird]

hahaha. I forgot about them.

I find it hard to even include Vulcan/Darwin/Sway/Petra X-Men either. They did one mission and died.

I hated when people considered Sabbretooth in the 90s and even in Careys run. He was living at the mansion. Not a team member. He was more of a team member during Carey's run but still only because he was there for protection. Just like I don't really count Lady Mastermind because the whole reason she was there was to betray the X-Men.

Or Moonstar because she helped the X-Men in like one issue in the 90s.

Thats part of the problem with Cyclops and his Army X-Men now... being an X-Men should be an honor and important. But now any mutant is an X-Man. It's not something the New/Young X-Men are working towards they already are. Any mutant living is now basically an X-Man.

Bollocks. Thunderbird 3, who was an X-man for a few issues is a proper x-Man but someone who was on another x-team isn't? That isn't how Xavier saw things. Uncanny X-men 304 - Illyana's funeral, Xavier's last words to Warren (from memory) I wouldn't expect less, from any of my X-men." Anyone that wears an X - be they X-Force, X-factor,, New Mutants, New X-Men or X-men has branded themselves with the difficult task of fighting for the dream, and they all deserve the title of X-man. I like the new style of finally acknowledging this.

[worstblogever]

If it's not Banshee, it was Cecelia Reyes.

[Free-Man]

I see where you are going with that, but Nick Fury being black didn't change his personality, where Psylocke has been all over the place.

Well, I was thinking more about the cross-marketing complications. Black Nick Fury is getting a lot of exposure in tv and now movies, so I'm not sure how Marvel could successfully use that to their advantage outside of the Ultimate Universe.

But as for Betsy, as someone already said, I highly doubt they'll make her white again, especially with most of the big media and merchandising she appears in depicting her as being an Asian.

[RuggeSkin]

Longshot.

Who on the other lists went up against Sinister and Malice-Polaris alone? (Beast eventually came to help.)

[Leirus]

BANSHEE!

With the exception og generation x sean cassidy has always been screwed over.

He was a foe-turned-friend in the 60s and one of the first mutants the original team encountered. A lotta fans wrote in saying he should be an x-man.

Ten years later he finally joins the team and was present during many major events just like storm, kurt, etc thunderbirds death, phoenix saga, and that big long trip around the world.

He was the only x-man to last more than five minutes against magneto the first time the new team fought him, he always jumped in at the right time in a battle and a highlight is when banshee blew out his vocal cords to prevent moses magnum from sinking an entire country! And his reward? Ten years of marvel limbo. During the 80s he was banging moira when he wasn't getting his ass kicked by warpath.

He gets his powers back and is reaponsible for helping put the team back together right before the blue and gold team and his reward? Playing janitor/background character with forge until he finally gets to shine in gen x.

And after gen x? Gets his throat slit losing his powers again and getting killed by a bitch ass airplane. That's as stupid as crocodile hunter getting killed by a baby stingray after wrestling gators for twenty years.

If it were up to me banshee would be as iconic as wolverine nightcrawler and cyclops.

Here's hoping necrosha changes that......


But I'd like to raise a toast to sean cassidy, a man who could not be harmed as long as he was wearing his protective jamaican colors....

Sob...

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/09/27/sp_bondsgamefans0414lkm.jpg

[NewMutant]

Bollocks. Thunderbird 3, who was an X-man for a few issues is a proper x-Man but someone who was on another x-team isn't? That isn't how Xavier saw things. Uncanny X-men 304 - Illyana's funeral, Xavier's last words to Warren (from memory) I wouldn't expect less, from any of my X-men." Anyone that wears an X - be they X-Force, X-factor,, New Mutants, New X-Men or X-men has branded themselves with the difficult task of fighting for the dream, and they all deserve the title of X-man. I like the new style of finally acknowledging this.

Of course. Conceptually yes. They are all X-Men. They all fall under the umbrella of X-Men. But not everyone who wears an X is an X-Man. Not everyone who is nominated for an Oscar is an Oscar winner.

Well, I was thinking more about the cross-marketing complications. Black Nick Fury is getting a lot of exposure in tv and now movies, so I'm not sure how Marvel could successfully use that to their advantage outside of the Ultimate Universe.

But as for Betsy, as someone already said, I highly doubt they'll make her white again, especially with most of the big media and merchandising she appears in depicting her as being an Asian.

Well Fraction did just destory her already dead British body... so I'd assume its done as well.

[Goshin]

I can't stand all the longshot hate.

Without longshot there would be no spiral.

Without spiral there would be no lady deathstrike and the reavers. So without them the x-men woulda never been pushed through siege perlious and psylocke would never have turned into a ninja.


Wait...

[geminicomplex]

I agree with Banshee.

i also feel like Nightcrawler is always unappreciated by whoever is writing him. He is almost always the first to get owned, shot or immobilized in ANY fight. I just re-read Mutant Massacre and Messiah Complex, and almost right away in both of those, he teleports in and is immediately taken out by a villain. He definitely gets used, but not in a way that is generally helpful to him.

[baltiroo]

I'd have to say:

Banshee
Jubilee
Cecelia
Marrow
Forge
Dazzler
Havok
Polaris

[Monty_Cristo]

If there were a thread about "Who is the Best Short X-Man," Shortpack wouldn't even be included as an option. that's how underappreciated he is. he's the first character since Destiny to make Mystique lighten up. he's special.

[BBeeryan]

The Queen of Wakanda is the most underappreciated X-man of all time.

[Free-Man]

The Queen of Wakanda is the most underappreciated X-man of all time.

Yes, because with her movie, tv, and video game appearances, not to mention all the toys and posters Marvel makes of her, she's so underappreciated, right?

[BBeeryan]

Yes, because with her movie, tv, and video game appearances, not to mention all the toys and posters Marvel makes of her, she's so underappreciated, right?

You hit the nail on the head, buddy. She didn't start out as leader, but she transitioned into that role, and from what I've been reading you wouldn't even be able to tell that she was the second person, as well as the first woman to lead this legendary team. You might not like my answer but it still stands. From where I'm sitting, she's the poster girl for most underappreciated X-man of all time.

[Goshin]

u gotta give it to the black panther for mentally breaking down ororro munroe from goddess to housewife

[Fatguy]

I can't stand all the longshot hate.

You are going to have a very difficult life then, I'm afraid.

[Goshin]

hey, Longshot was messing with Rogue years before Gambit

[BBeeryan]

u gotta give it to the black panther for mentally breaking down ororro munroe from goddess to housewife

If that's how you see it. I don't. She still the "Heaven shaking" Goddess that she always was. Its just now, she has a ring on it.

[Nathan]

Gambit, Maggot, Marrow & Jubilee

[tornshattered]

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc333/tornshattered/UncannyX-men341-15.jpg
(the guy, not Rogue)
He was(and still is) so underappreciated, that I doubt most of you know his name.

[Bronze Badger]

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc333/tornshattered/UncannyX-men341-15.jpg
(the guy, not Rogue)
He was(and still is) so underappreciated, that I doubt most of you know his name.

Joseph was a piece of shit. I hate Lobdell for creating him.

[Filthy Mutie]

Joseph was a piece of shit. I hate Lobdell for creating him.

This.

You and me, buddy.

[Free-Man]

This.

You and me, buddy.

And me.

The whole clone thing is so overused in the X-verse that I wanna gag!

[Justin K.]

I liked the idea of him being a mindwiped good Magneto over the clone stuff...

[tornshattered]

And me.

The whole clone thing is so overused in the X-verse that I wanna gag!

He wasn't supposed to be a clone in the original story. He was supposed to be the real Magneto, only good and younger.

[Bronze Badger]

This.

You and me, buddy.

Together, we can kick more ass.

[NewMutant]

I liked the idea of him being a mindwiped good Magneto over the clone stuff...

ME TOO.

It was a way to use Magneto without making them battle him once a year. I loved the idea of him slowing starting to remember and then betraying the X-Men.

Which I actually thought was Lobdells idea, but then he left and Davis changed him to be a clone.

[Slant]

He wasn't supposed to be a clone in the original story. He was supposed to be the real Magneto, only good and younger.

Not much better. I like my Magneto a little bad and old.

[Free-Man]

He wasn't supposed to be a clone in the original story. He was supposed to be the real Magneto, only good and younger.

Was he that much younger?

But seriously:

Jean was imprisoned by what was essentially a "clone" of her made by Phoenix.

Black Tom cloned Mondo in order infiltrate and destroy Generation X.

Joseph, a clone of Magneto.

X-23, a clone of Logan.

Ms. Sinister, a clone of Mr. Sinister.

The Stepford Cuckoos, clones of Emma Frost.

It's almost as overused as the damn time travleing thing.

[NewMutant]

Was he that much younger?

But seriously:

Jean was imprisoned by what was essentially a "clone" of her made by Phoenix.

Black Tom cloned Mondo in order infiltrate and destroy Generation X.

Joseph, a clone of Magneto.

X-23, a clone of Logan.

Ms. Sinister, a clone of Mr. Sinister.

The Stepford Cuckoos, clones of Emma Frost.

It's almost as overused as the damn time travleing thing.


It's true. Although... isn't Ms. Sinister supposed to be same person as Mr?

The Cuckoos shouldn't have been clones. I don't see how Morrison ever hinted that either.

[Free-Man]

It's true. Although... isn't Ms. Sinister supposed to be same person as Mr?

The Cuckoos shouldn't have been clones. I don't see how Morrison ever hinted that either.

Not sure about the Sinisters. I thought Ms. was a cloned body or something like that.

And I completely forgot:

Maddy Pryor, clone of Jean.

Stryfe, clone of Cable.

[4sake]

It's true. Although... isn't Ms. Sinister supposed to be same person as Mr?

The Cuckoos shouldn't have been clones. I don't see how Morrison ever hinted that either.

True, but they aren't technically clones, they just were made from some of herEmma dna & maybe/probably someone elses to. ( my guess is Prof. X)

[marvell2100]

1. Nightcrawler
2. Havok
3. Banshee

[4sake]

Was he that much younger?

But seriously:

Jean was imprisoned by what was essentially a "clone" of her made by Phoenix.

Black Tom cloned Mondo in order infiltrate and destroy Generation X.

Joseph, a clone of Magneto.

X-23, a clone of Logan.

Ms. Sinister, a clone of Mr. Sinister.

The Stepford Cuckoos, clones of Emma Frost.

It's almost as overused as the damn time travleing thing.

In the pic above he look about 18-22. Currently Magneto has a body of a 30 or 40 year old or what in his prime was/means, but is about 70-80 years old.

[Filthy Mutie]

1. Nightcrawler
2. Havok
3. Banshee

You mean the marquee X-Man who has toys, movie appearances, cartoon appearances (including an important role in the recent Wolverine and the X-Men and ye olde X-Men: Evolution), and game appearances?

I can see Havok, though.

[marvell2100]

You mean the marquee X-Man who has toys, movie appearances, cartoon appearances (including an important role in the recent Wolverine and the X-Men and ye olde X-Men: Evolution), and game appearances?


Yup, that's the one. Guy can't even get a regular gig in the comic.

[Free-Man]

Yup, that's the one. Guy can't even get a regular gig in the comic.

I think of Kurt like I think of Ororo. They may be mistreated in the books as of lately, but the way they are whored out in virtually every other medium more than makes up for it.

This is opposed to Havok or some of the other people that have been mentioned here.

[marvell2100]

I think of Kurt like I think of Ororo. They may be mistreated in the books as of lately, but the way they are whored out in virtually every other medium more than makes up for it.

This is opposed to Havok or some of the other people that have been mentioned here.

But they are underappreciated in their home titles. Nightcrawler gets very little use in UXM or Legacy(which is where he probably should be along with Colossus). I don't read Astonishing so I don't know if he appears there at all.

And I don't think either of them has been used alot in other titles. Storm only appears in BP. I don't know what title Kurt has been in outside of an X-book.

[pryde15]

Kitty Pryde, seriously she got shipped off in a gigantic butt plug.

[coveredinbees]

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3036/lipstick.jpg

[Azure]

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3036/lipstick.jpg

Poor Cipher.

[Something Other]

Sunfire. All he ever gets to do is be pissed for no reason and leave in a huff.

[coveredinbees]

Poor Cipher.
I don't think we ever saw Irina again.

[Azure]

I don't think we ever saw Irina again.

At least she wasn't deliberately hidden from the other X-Men! Why did Jean Grey just blatantly lie about Cipher's existence?

[coveredinbees]

At least she wasn't deliberately hidden from the other X-Men! Why did Jean Grey just blatantly lie about Cipher's existence?
Because Cipher is a coward and didn't want to go into battle against those enemy guys. What were their names? Jean was protecting her from the other students. They would've been pissed.

[Filthy Mutie]

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3036/lipstick.jpg


Cinderella story. Ouuta nowhere.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/13/18351801_55b28bc2dc.jpg

[alf_to_the_rescue]

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_CxH7LL5N6KQ/RiKjAF5Ym6I/AAAAAAAAAaI/zBC86vH6lPw/Scan155,+March+25,+2007.bmp.jpg

Yes, I meant it to be that big.

[Azure]

Because Cipher is a coward and didn't want to go into battle against those enemy guys. What were their names? Jean was protecting her from the other students. They would've been pissed.

I don't believe you. Cipher is a pawn in Jean Grey's sinister game.

[Robbiebob_16]

Kitty Pryde, seriously she got shipped off in a gigantic butt plug.
Quoted for truth. Not cool.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3036/lipstick.jpg
Wow, Jean has a serious overbite!
As for underrated all this Cipher talk reminded me of another Young X-man Ink. Oh Ink, you are so very underrated and I miss you gracing the panels of my favorite X-book.:rolleyes:

[Filthy Mutie]

Poor Cipher.

It's cool though, because she's in every single panel in every x-book since the riot in Mutant Town.

[Free-Man]

It's cool though, because she's in every single panel in every x-book since the riot in Mutant Town.

Jeez. That was just horrid writing, and unfortunately that's the kind of crap writers have to use to create new characters since M-Day.

[Filthy Mutie]

Jeez. That was just horrid writing, and unfortunately that's the kind of crap writers have to use to create new characters since M-Day.

I liked the kick in the nuts that was, "she's been hanging out with her BFF Blindfold all the time everyone thought Blindfold was just talking to herself."

[wayfarejourneyman]

For me, the most underappreciated is a tie between Nightcrawler and Forge. Nightcrawer always seems to get the short end of the stick when it comes to dealing with villains, despite the fact that he's got an awesome power set. Teleportation, Shadowblending, Super Agility, Melee Combat Master -- this guy is more Weapon X capable than most of the guys who ended up in the program...and nevertheless talks to a dead Kitty about how useless he is in most fights...

Forge is another X-Man who just about always appaers as Deus-Ex. He's got Reed Richards level innovation, but gets shoved off into the realm of handwavery whenever the X-Folks need a quick fix to a techno problem.

[coveredinbees]

I don't believe you. Cipher is a pawn in Jean Grey's sinister game.
Ciper deserves it for trying to put gum in Jean's hair.

[Robbiebob_16]

Ciper deserves it for trying to put gum in Jean's hair.
WHEN?:biggrin: can you hook us up with scans if that wasn't a joke?

[Azure]

Ciper deserves it for trying to put gum in Jean's hair.

I'm going to unleash a world of hurt on you if you keep dissing Cipher.

[Free-Man]

I liked the kick in the nuts that was, "she's been hanging out with her BFF Blindfold all the time everyone thought Blindfold was just talking to herself."

Would it really have been so difficult to say "Oh yeah, we knew about her, but she turned down an offer to come to the school."

[Filthy Mutie]

Forge is another X-Man who just about always appaers as Deus-Ex. He's got Reed Richards level innovation, but gets shoved off into the realm of handwavery whenever the X-Folks need a quick fix to a techno problem.

Not anymooorrre!

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/01/31/death_beam.jpg

http://www.cluckuchicken.com/images/menu_fried2.jpg

[coveredinbees]

I'm going to unleash a world of hurt on you if you keep dissing Cipher.
How can you excuse this kind of behavior?
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2903/azurecipherjean.jpg

[Azure]

I stand corrected. Jean had it coming, though.

[Free-Man]

WHEN?:biggrin: can you hook us up with scans if that wasn't a joke?

She did it right when Magneto fried her brain. She was gonna yell "ha ha", but thought it would be in bad taste.

[Monty_Cristo]

Not anymooorrre!


http://www.cluckuchicken.com/images/menu_fried2.jpg

Forge is battered, unhealthy, and popular with southerners? :confused:

[Monty_Cristo]

It's cool though, because she's in every single panel in every x-book since the riot in Mutant Town.

yet they can't write in Shortpack. :mad:

[Robbiebob_16]

She did it right when Magneto fried her brain. She was gonna yell "ha ha", but thought it would be in bad taste.
Nothing Cipher does could be in bad taste. Love that little punk! I bet she causes mayhem and confusion among the student body for sh$#s and giggles.

[Filthy Mutie]

yet they can't write in Shortpack. :mad:

Well, by the same rationale, Shortpack could be in (hidden) compartments and utility pouches when they appear on-panel. Maybe he's the reason Asteroid M has suddenly appeared in right next to San Francisco?

[Filthy Mutie]

Forge is battered, unhealthy, and popular with southerners? :confused:

Yes, but don't forget honey-glazed.

[marvell2100]

They have chocolate covered bacon now. That is just hilarious.

[creaky]

For me, the most underappreciated is a tie between Nightcrawler and Forge. Nightcrawer always seems to get the short end of the stick when it comes to dealing with villains, despite the fact that he's got an awesome power set. Teleportation, Shadowblending, Super Agility, Melee Combat Master -- this guy is more Weapon X capable than most of the guys who ended up in the program...and nevertheless talks to a dead Kitty about how useless he is in most fights...

I don't think Kurt's the most underappreciated at all. I think he's badly- and underused in the comics, but that's another matter. There's just too many other characters out there who have gotten worse deals to give him this title.

And, to nitpick, that particular instance was about his performance being affected by his grief for Kitty. And, as it turned out, other factors as well.

Kitty Pryde, seriously she got shipped off in a gigantic butt plug.

Kitty Pryde was the star of Claremont's 80's X-men, pretty much the entire run of Excalibur and a well-regarded, popular title made by a well-regarded, popular writer. She was given a huge "death", which may look ridiculous to some, but was designed to be awe-inspiring. After that "death", she was given a big role in two titles. I hardly think she qualifies.

[Monty_Cristo]

Yes, but don't forget honey-glazed.

it's a wonder why Storm never took to him.

[Free-Man]

Nothing Cipher does could be in bad taste. Love that little punk! I bet she causes mayhem and confusion among the student body for sh$#s and giggles.

Of course. She'll wait until Julian and Rockslide are alone in the halls, and grab one of their asses. Then she sits back and laughs while homophobic chaos ensues.:evilsmile:

[witness]

If you are talking underappreciated by the rest of the x-men it has to be Gambit. Ooh he had a dark past. Lets condemn him unlike say rogue,wolverine,Magneto,Phoenix,Angel/Archangel etc.
Ooh he became Death for Apocalypse so lets condemn him again. It appears some sins can be forgiven if your name is Wolverine or Angel.
Gambit is also the X-man most currently underappreciated by the writers as well.

[the Hornet]

Sunfire


In thirty years no writer has ever made him a fulltime x-man outside of AoA and was only an x-man for one day in the 70s. He recently came back as AoA sunfire as a villain but is once again in limbo.

And nobody ever wants to write jean sans phoenix force. The best jean years were 1985-2000.

I agree! Thanks a lot Morrison. And I don't mean thank you in the same way as thanks you for Batman and Robin.:mad: I know Seagle was trying to do it and maybe Claremont too but Morrison really did bring the Phoenix force back.

[TJKernan]

yeah, I think Forge and Sunfire both so rank super high on crapped...

[skolapper]

My fave book of all time is a childresn book entitles Bridge to Teribithia, it was the first real book I had read on my own, and I actually cried when I read the story.

My other fave book is caled The California book of the dead, forgot who wrote it and im to lazy to google but it is such a good book.

[Filthy Mutie]

My fave book of all time is a childresn book entitles Bridge to Teribithia, it was the first real book I had read on my own, and I actually cried when I read the story.

My other fave book is caled The California book of the dead, forgot who wrote it and im to lazy to google but it is such a good book.

OK ...what?

[Free-Man]

If you are talking underappreciated by the rest of the x-men it has to be Gambit. Ooh he had a dark past. Lets condemn him unlike say rogue,wolverine,Magneto,Phoenix,Angel/Archangel etc.
Ooh he became Death for Apocalypse so lets condemn him again. It appears some sins can be forgiven if your name is Wolverine or Angel.
Gambit is also the X-man most currently underappreciated by the writers as well.

I put him in the same boat as Kurt and Ororo. Once you've reached as much exposure as Gambit, you don't get to complain about being unappreciated.

He currently has a major role in one X-book, has had his own solo and various minis, and a crap load of video game, movie, toyline, and tv appearances.

[The Black Guardian]

Kitty Pryde was the star of Claremont's 80's X-men, pretty much the entire run of Excalibur and a well-regarded, popular title made by a well-regarded, popular writer. She was given a huge "death", which may look ridiculous to some, but was designed to be awe-inspiring. After that "death", she was given a big role in two titles. I hardly think she qualifies.
Kitty's my girl, and to be honest, I think Whedon really showed a deep disdain for Kitty with his AXM run ("awe" just doesn't come to mind regarding anything she did in the book), but I do agree she hardly qualifies. The question is "of all time," and Kitty has had many shining moments over the years.

Given her mostly behind-the-scenes accomplishments, I think Lorna should show more self-reliance than she usually does. For a character with such a long history, her shining moments are very few.

[creaky]

Kitty's my girl, and to be honest, I think Whedon really showed a deep disdain for Kitty with his AXM run ("awe" just doesn't come to mind regarding anything she did in the book), but I do agree she hardly qualifies. The question is "of all time," and Kitty has had many shining moments over the years.

"Deep disdain"? He adored her!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

"Deep disdain"? He adored her!

Take a good look at the sig.

Some people still deem it a crime against humanity for the x-men's effin leader to hijack chapters of a storyline.

[witness]

I put him in the same boat as Kurt and Ororo. Once you've reached as much exposure as Gambit, you don't get to complain about being unappreciated.

He currently has a major role in one X-book, has had his own solo and various minis, and a crap load of video game, movie, toyline, and tv appearances.

Thing is most of those were aeons ago. His cameo in Wolverine hardly counts in the movie sense (he should have been in the x-films) as for his "Major" role in Legacy. Bumbling around fawning after Rogue and basically getting his ass handed to him on a regular basis whilst seemingly having no mind of his own is an insult to the character. Gambits not alone on this one. Bishop, Storm and numerous other characters have either been left by the wayside or badly mismanaged by the current writers who seem to be obssessed with Cyclops, Emma Frost,Rogue and X-23. In the context of the X-men throughout the Ages I do think Iceman has probably been the most mishandled overall. I think it must be because the writers mostly view him as the "comic relief" of the team.

[Imperious Rex]

Strong Guy.

[Alexrules]

I liked the asian Betsy stuff. Poor Banshee, he's a good character and what does he get for it.... a Blackbird in the face. Brubaker's reign of terrierny against Marvel's most beloved characters never ends!:smile: It was Cap, Banshee, then Cyclop's dad.

Also, Havok is uber cool!:cool:

[Sincere]

Dazzler

- Debuts in Uncanny
- Has a solo book and makes minor appearances in Uncanny
- Joins the Aussie team; Siege Peilous then wakes up at Lila Cheney's.
- Disappears, reappears with Longshot; gone for most of the 90s.
- New Excalibur
- Uncanny X-men Wallpaper; cameo queen.

i LOVE Dazzler !!!

[Deus ex Chris]

Take a good look at the sig.

Some people still deem it a crime against humanity for the x-men's effin leader to hijack chapters of a storyline.
It isn't always about Cyclops. Don't be so obsessive.

[Parch]

Any X-men with hundreds of appearance can't be considered underappreciated. (ie Nightcrawler) Especially a character that got her own title.
Dazzler = disco-riffic!

Chamber = too weird.
Banshee = too loud.
Havok = stupid outfit.
Maggot = gross.

I'd vote fore Marrow. Perhaps a little underpowered, but a cool character.

[JurassicParkIsAnAwesomeMovie]

Iceman, Havok, Multiple Man, Sabretooth

[pariah-1972]

Probably Angel since he has helped fund the X-men and there splinter groups for so long and also has taken on a ambassador like role for the X-men.

[Prodigy55]

Forge and Banshee.

[supamike]

i would say iceman

[Washout]

I agree that Forge is also pretty underrated. He's been around a while but was only an X-man for for a really short period. His powers are pretty interesting, especially with his Shaman-ness added in.

[soul_eater]

Marrow, want her back :frown:

[Deus ex Chris]

I agree that Forge is also pretty underrated. He's been around a while but was only an X-man for for a really short period. His powers are pretty interesting, especially with his Shaman-ness added in.He spent like 60 issues as a lead character in X-Factor. That's a significant amount for such an uninteresting character.

[Psychic Illusion]

My vote for the most unappreciated x-man?

She has a rich and complicated past, she is always possessed by someone, she is now cold-blooded, she is a mutant powerhouse, she has been on limbo a few times, she only exists in the shadow of her on again off again boyfriend, she has been depowered and repowered, she had a powerful father, a wack brother, and a superpowerful psychotic sister.

That's right. My vote for the most underappreciated x-man goes to the second x-woman, lorna dane, a.k.a. Polaris. Polaris cannot exist without being mentally psychotic, being possessed by some entity, or living without havok.

[psycwave]

Jesse Bedlam.

[pryde15]

Jesse Bedlam.

I'm surprised you didn't say Erista.

[Free-Man]

I'm surprised you didn't say Erista.

Who the hell is Erista?

[pryde15]

Who the hell is Erista?

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=250695

'preciate.

[psycwave]

I'm surprised you didn't say Erista.

He is beyond mortal comprehension.

Who the hell is Erista?

Wolverine's Savage Land bastard son.

[psycwave]

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=250695

'preciate.

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[Free-Man]

He is beyond mortal comprehension.



Wolverine's Savage Land bastard son.

OH! I just call him Logan's Little Yellow Baby.:tongue: I was unaware he had a name.

And I certainly do agree about Bedlam being underappreciated. He had awesome powers.

[Nathan]

Thing is most of those were aeons ago. His cameo in Wolverine hardly counts in the movie sense (he should have been in the x-films) as for his "Major" role in Legacy. Bumbling around fawning after Rogue and basically getting his ass handed to him on a regular basis whilst seemingly having no mind of his own is an insult to the character. Gambits not alone on this one. Bishop, Storm and numerous other characters have either been left by the wayside or badly mismanaged by the current writers who seem to be obssessed with Cyclops, Emma Frost,Rogue and X-23. In the context of the X-men throughout the Ages I do think Iceman has probably been the most mishandled overall. I think it must be because the writers mostly view him as the "comic relief" of the team.

totally agree with ya , Iceman has passed over time and time again, granted OZT sucked i thought Iceman shined through in that, and as for Gambit being over exposed how was he over exposed more so than any other X-Man at one point or another

[Free-Man]

Thing is most of those were aeons ago. His cameo in Wolverine hardly counts in the movie sense (he should have been in the x-films).

His solo series wasn't that long ago. And I have to really disagree that his cameo didn't count. It was certainly short, but he was HEAVILY featured in almost all of the marketing for the movie. He had all sorts of toys and promos devoted to him, so I do certainly think his movie apperance counted.

[witness]

totally agree with ya , Iceman has passed over time and time again, granted OZT sucked i thought Iceman shined through in that, and as for Gambit being over exposed how was he over exposed more so than any other X-Man at one point or another

For the record in an earlier post i nominated Gambit as one of the most unappreciated (in the eyes of other x-men and by current writers) and i agree he hasn't been any more exposed than most of the other "main" x-men (the only X-men characters you can truly say have been over exposed are Wolverine, Rogue and more recently x-23), Though Iceman did shine in the awful OZT even then he was basically put in charge of the x-team Z-shift and we didn't see him lead any of the big hitters (hell even Gambit led Phoenix,Cable,Beast and Storm at one point and he should never have been a team leader) .

[witness]

His solo series wasn't that long ago. And I have to really disagree that his cameo didn't count. It was certainly short, but he was HEAVILY featured in almost all of the marketing for the movie. He had all sorts of toys and promos devoted to him, so I do certainly think his movie apperance counted.

Its getting on to a decade since his last ongoing (it was cancelled in 2000) which in
x-men terms is aeons and his appearance in wolverine the movie was an afterthought to him not being in the main x trilogy (although after the mess of the third film i'm glad he wasn't shoe-horned into that one) so it barely counts is all i'm saying. Still speaking on the movie front i'm angrier about how they handled cyclops and storm in the trilogy than i am about gambit not being in the three films.

[witness]

I've heard Forge,Polaris,The Bedlam brothers,Psylocke and Marrow mentioned and they have been massively underappreciated over the years. Why people mention Maggot though is beyond me, I always saw him as a mistake of a character that Marvel swiftly rectified.

[Nathan]

His solo series wasn't that long ago. And I have to really disagree that his cameo didn't count. It was certainly short, but he was HEAVILY featured in almost all of the marketing for the movie. He had all sorts of toys and promos devoted to him, so I do certainly think his movie apperance counted.

he was in all the marketing for the movie because fans have been wanting to see Gambit in X-Men film since the first one came out , that cant be counted as over exposed , look a Deadpool the guys got 3 solo books a mini now thats over exposure , what did Gambit get from appearing in the movie NOTHING, i think you jus don like Gambit and seeing him in one issue of Legacy is to much exposure for you :)

anyone else think that any X-Man that isnt american or has an accent or different skin colour gets a raw deal by the writers , off the top of my head

Forge - Dead
Banshee- Dead
Jubilee - where the hell is she
Skin- Dead
Synch- Dead
Storm- gone(she appears in Black Panter)
Bishop- gon mad turned into baby killer wannabe

[eggie]

I'm going with Gambit! It seems like people hate him soooooo much and I don't understand why, I love Gambit! Cool costume? Check! Cool power? Check! Mysterious origins? Check! Created by Claremont and Jim Lee? Double check!

I think its about time this X-Man got some respect!

[Free-Man]

he was in all the marketing for the movie because fans have been wanting to see Gambit in X-Men film since the first one came out , that cant be counted as over exposed , look a Deadpool the guys got 3 solo books a mini now thats over exposure , what did Gambit get from appearing in the movie NOTHING, i think you jus don like Gambit and seeing him in one issue of Legacy is to much exposure for you :)

Actually, no I don't hate Gambit. But nice try at deflecting, thanks for playing.:tongue:

And I didn't even think of her before, but Siryn is probably one of the most underappreciated X-Men. The girl gets absolutely no love outside of the comics.

[Robbiebob_16]

Wolverine.
No seriously, Siryn needs more love. She's barely mentioned outside of X-Factor. I would love to see her worked into the more central X-team roster books. Maybe New Mutants?

[Free-Man]

Wolverine.
No seriously, Siryn needs more love. She's barely mentioned outside of X-Factor. I would love to see her worked into the more central X-team roster books. Maybe New Mutants?

LOL, it's not even the other books. I could live with her playing a lead role in just one book. It's the fact that aside from the small (but important) cameo in X-2, the girl has made irtually no appearances in any of the numerous X-Men cartoons and video games.

[Robbiebob_16]

LOL, it's not even the other books. I could live with her playing a lead role in just one book. It's the fact that aside from the small (but important) cameo in X-2, the girl has made irtually no appearances in any of the numerous X-Men cartoons and video games.
For awhile there, Jean was the only dose of ginger that people could handle. But I actully do want to see her in at least one more book. Even a litte-team up. Call me crazy but an X-Factor/New Mutants crossover for like, 3 issues would be cool.

[Free-Man]

For awhile there, Jean was the only dose of ginger that people could handle. But I actully do want to see her in at least one more book. Even a litte-team up. Call me crazy but an X-Factor/New Mutants crossover for like, 3 issues would be cool.

I like that idea.:smile:
Unfortunately, PAD claims that he isn't fond of doing crossovers.:frown:

[Justin K.]

For awhile there, Jean was the only dose of ginger that people could handle. But I actully do want to see her in at least one more book. Even a litte-team up. Call me crazy but an X-Factor/New Mutants crossover for like, 3 issues would be cool.

I hope she appears in WATXM. I asked Yost, but no definitive answer...

[Robbiebob_16]

I like that idea.:smile:
Unfortunately, PAD claims that he isn't fond of doing crossovers.:frown:
Yes, *sigh*. Well he can only ruin one dream of mine!

[Free-Man]

I hope she appears in WATXM. I asked Yost, but no definitive answer...

Cross your fingers....the poor Cassidys as a whole are really underused....

[Robbiebob_16]

Cross your fingers....the poor Cassidys as a whole are really underused....
Or dead!

I hope she appears in WATXM. I asked Yost, but no definitive answer...
OHH that trickster Yost!... that would be great if they could use her. I want to see her with an actual animated voice. I hope they reveal a little bit about the second season, but they'll probably wait till the first has a DVD release or soemthing.

[witness]

I'm going with Gambit! It seems like people hate him soooooo much and I don't understand why, I love Gambit! Cool costume? Check! Cool power? Check! Mysterious origins? Check! Created by Claremont and Jim Lee? Double check!

I think its about time this X-Man got some respect!

I suspect its down to his accent which is still one of the silliest in comics (and i say this as a die hard Gambit fan as you know), the Phalanx/Shiar war issues and the ensuing Trial of gambit were especially guilty of this and the writers should be charged for crimes against the letter d (even though i still loved them) . :biggrin:.

[witness]

Actually, no I don't hate Gambit. But nice try at deflecting, thanks for playing.:tongue:

And I didn't even think of her before, but Siryn is probably one of the most underappreciated X-Men. The girl gets absolutely no love outside of the comics.

Yeah Siryn has been given short thrift all things considered.

[Nathan]

Siryn & Deadpool mini would be awesome

[FlyingFox]

Cyclops and Sunfire

[TJKernan]

Cyclops and Sunfire

Cyclops? sweet sassy molassi...I done seen it all now...

[witness]

Cyclops and Sunfire

Cyclops-If only :biggrin:

Sunfire-Yep he's definitely been shafted by most writers (The Age of Apocalypse version being the only exception i can think of)

[mightiest_mortal]

Maggott, Chamber and Icarus. They should form their own team of zombie losers.

I'd say Sunfire and Polaris. No writers seem to have any idea what to do with them, thus Sunfire is rarely ever around, despite being one of the original next gen X-Men, and Polaris is to Havok what Gambit is to Rogue.

AOA Sunfire was SO much more interesting though and had a much better backstory. Even now that regular sunfire looks just like AOA, he still doesnt have the backstory to go with him.

[witness]

Maggott, Chamber and Icarus. They should form their own team of zombie losers.

I'd say Sunfire and Polaris. No writers seem to have any idea what to do with them, thus Sunfire is rarely ever around, despite being one of the original next gen X-Men, and Polaris is to Havok what Gambit is to Rogue.

AOA Sunfire was SO much more interesting though and had a much better backstory. Even now that regular sunfire looks just like AOA, he still doesnt have the backstory to go with him.

Yeah Polaris has been neglected, I suspect its becuse the writers see her as the semi-skimmed Magneto. I'd of actually liked to see her develop some form of relationship with Gambit, I mean they've both been Manipulated by Sinister so that would give them something to talk about on a first date.

Maggot:biggrin:
Did anyone think he was a good idea?
Love the zombie losers idea.

[pariah-1972]

Cyclops? sweet sassy molassi...I done seen it all now...Maybe he means we don't appreciate the things he is doing like we should?

[Twisted Bliss]

Magma.

That bitch got pissed on from a height and never recovered.

[witness]

Magma.

That bitch got pissed on from a height and never recovered.

I dunno she was the star of one X-men game (legends)...............:wink:

[pharoahe22]

Although there are several unappreciated X-men, I think Iceman has to take the cake. Iceman has Omega level power, and he's been doing the hero thing for as long as Cyclops. If you look at the Original 5 X-men:

Beast is doing the X-Club, he's on the Astonishing X-men Team, he's a part of Sword, and he's one of the most beloved Avengers.

Cyclops is the leader of Mutantdom lol

Jean Grey Maybe dead now, but when she was alive, especially when she was Phoenix, she was one of the most powerful characters in comics.

Angel is now with X-force, and is more deadly than ever with his ability to transform into Archangel...he has also developed a healing gift.

Iceman: ??? Seriously, outside of Mike Carey's run, Iceman hasn't done anything. He should at least be as powerful as the Human Torch is by now...it not more so. The writers were content to just have him as comedy relief, when villains should poop their pants like "Oh shhhh... it's Iceman!!!" lol. This needs to be rectified soon!

[Goshin]

i gotta agree on iceman too, he's had the least amount of attention or good story writing in decades. back in the late 70s/early 80s beast or angel always helped out the team but iceman was always left out. i always thought he shoulda been there on the moon during the dark phoenix saga for the final fight. even beast and angel rejoined the team for a few issues for that one.....:frown:

[Free-Man]

Yeah Polaris has been neglected, I suspect its becuse the writers see her as the semi-skimmed Magneto. I'd of actually liked to see her develop some form of relationship with Gambit, I mean they've both been Manipulated by Sinister so that would give them something to talk about on a first date.

Maggot:biggrin:
Did anyone think he was a good idea?
Love the zombie losers idea.

Maggott had potential at best. But I do love it when the more freakish mutants actually play a role on the X-Men as opposed to Morlocks and Brotherhood thugs, so maybe that's why I like him.

But I hated the white hair. I know peope love Storm, but not all black characters need long white hair Mr. Madureira!:tongue:

[witness]

Maggott had potential at best. But I do love it when the more freakish mutants actually play a role on the X-Men as opposed to Morlocks and Brotherhood thugs, so maybe that's why I like him.

But I hated the white hair. I know peope love Storm, but not all black characters need long white hair Mr. Madureira!:tongue:

I agree about the freakish mutants thing (too many have powers which are so contrively useful it beggars belief).

I guess my biggest problem with Maggot was the tokenism of the South African thing (much like Dust in the current X-men). He felt like a character meant to tick a box.

[NewMutant]

Although there are several unappreciated X-men, I think Iceman has to take the cake. Iceman has Omega level power, and he's been doing the hero thing for as long as Cyclops. If you look at the Original 5 X-men:

Beast is doing the X-Club, he's on the Astonishing X-men Team, he's a part of Sword, and he's one of the most beloved Avengers.

Cyclops is the leader of Mutantdom lol

Jean Grey Maybe dead now, but when she was alive, especially when she was Phoenix, she was one of the most powerful characters in comics.

Angel is now with X-force, and is more deadly than ever with his ability to transform into Archangel...he has also developed a healing gift.

Iceman: ??? Seriously, outside of Mike Carey's run, Iceman hasn't done anything. He should at least be as powerful as the Human Torch is by now...it not more so. The writers were content to just have him as comedy relief, when villains should poop their pants like "Oh shhhh... it's Iceman!!!" lol. This needs to be rectified soon!

Within the original five the debate is clearly between Angel and Iceman, consider the other three are basically top five most important/popular/known X-Men (plus Storm and Wolverine.)

What makes it difficult to decide betwen Angel and Iceman is the fact that Angel tends to be written better (as in more consistantly) in the comics, but Iceman gets more exposure outside of the comic world with tv, movies, and video games.

[Psychic Illusion]

The thing of it is the original 5 x-men, as well as storm, wolverine, rogue, gambit, psylocke, colossus, nightcrawler, shadowcat, jubilee, bishop, cable, and white queen are still the most popular x-men. Sure, some of them had been unappreciated (limbo, death, resurections, cameo, and backgrounded) but they all eventually bounce back and recover. They had their share, but I wouldn't necessarly say they are completely unappreciated.

However, characters like polaris, dazzler, sage, longshot, havok, banshee, marrow, synch, strong guy, karma, and rachel summers for example have been horribly unappreciated. Here are characters who could be a force in the x-world, be left behind because writers do not know what to do with them. They have never recovered from their mistreatment from being backgrounded, cameo, limboed for long periods of time, overshadowed because of power similarities, convulted storylines, and deaths that were uncalled for (banshee and synch). That is imho ofcourse.

[NewMutant]

The thing of it is the original 5 x-men, as well as storm, wolverine, rogue, gambit, psylocke, colossus, nightcrawler, shadowcat, jubilee, bishop, cable, and white queen are still the most popular x-men. Sure, some of them had been unappreciated (limbo, death, resurections, cameo, and backgrounded) but they all eventually bounce back and recover. They had their share, but I wouldn't necessarly say they are completely unappreciated.

However, characters like polaris, dazzler, sage, longshot, havok, banshee, marrow, synch, strong guy, karma, and rachel summers for example have been horribly unappreciated. Here are characters who could be a force in the x-world, be left behind because writers do not know what to do with them. They have never recovered from their mistreatment from being backgrounded, cameo, limboed for long periods of time, overshadowed because of power similarities, convulted storylines, and deaths that were uncalled for (banshee and synch). That is imho ofcourse.

I agree. It's a very valid point. Although Jubilee might be someone I would include in the second list.

[Psychic Illusion]

I agree. It's a very valid point. Although Jubilee might be someone I would include in the second list.

Wondra is sorta inbetween. A huge hit character of the 90s (logan's sidekick, star of the animated series, solo comics, gen x team leader, etc.). Jubilee did have a good career and is still popular. Her bounce back just haven't came yet, but it will be.

[NewMutant]

Wondra is sorta inbetween. A huge hit character of the 90s (logan's sidekick, star of the animated series, solo comics, gen x team leader, etc.). Jubilee did have a good career and is still popular. Her bounce back just haven't came yet, but it will be.

I agree that Jubilee did get mega fame, more so than people in that second list, but her bounce back hasn't happened since Gen x and thats been awhile.

[Goshin]

i miss the raincoat and walgreen's shades

[Psychic Illusion]

I agree that Jubilee did get mega fame, more so than people in that second list, but her bounce back hasn't happened since Gen x and thats been awhile.

I agree. That is also why I said her bounce back will come. She is set to return later this year or early next year and im sure she will make a nice comeback.

[Goshin]

she shoulda been playable in marvel vs capcom 2 a wolvie/jubilee/psylocke team woulda been kick ass

[Psychic Illusion]

she shoulda been playable in marvel vs capcom 2 a wolvie/jubilee/psylocke team woulda been kick ass
I just knew after mvc 1, jubes would of been in 2. I was highly disappointed.

[Free-Man]

I agree about the freakish mutants thing (too many have powers which are so contrively useful it beggars belief).

I guess my biggest problem with Maggot was the tokenism of the South African thing (much like Dust in the current X-men). He felt like a character meant to tick a box.

I certainly see what you mean, but I disagree on that point. Yeah, given what was going on in South Africa at the time, it seemed a bit cheesey, but I don't see the problem. How do you tell the difference between someone created out of tokenism, or a new character who just happens to be from Pakistan or Brazil?

[witness]

I certainly see what you mean, but I disagree on that point. Yeah, given what was going on in South Africa at the time, it seemed a bit cheesey, but I don't see the problem. How do you tell the difference between someone created out of tokenism, or a new character who just happens to be from Pakistan or Brazil?

Timing is normally a good indication, but I agree it's not an exact science and in the defense of comic books they are normally quite good at avoiding tokenism (as opposed to say Television which is just blatant about it) . I suppose the biggest clue for me with Maggott was that they seemingly had no idea what to do with him, he didn't seem to be a character they'd put a lot of thought into.

[Free-Man]

Timing is normally a good indication, but I agree it's not an exact science and in the defense of comic books they are normally quite good at avoiding tokenism (as opposed to say Television which is just blatant about it) . I suppose the biggest clue for me with Maggott was that they seemingly had no idea what to do with him, he didn't seem to be a character they'd put a lot of thought into.

Yeah, I actually do have to agree with that. They created him and didn't seem to have a clue where he could be used. They had him team up with Gen X for one issue, and I think that could've been cool had he stayed.

[witness]

[QUOTE=jamesfreeman;9600730]Yeah, I actually do have to agree with that. They created him and didn't seem to have a clue where he could be used. They had him team up with Gen X for one issue, and I think that could've been cool had he stayed.[/QUOTE

Gen x would have been a good fit for him. It's a shame he didn't stay.

[Jess C.H.]

Look, I'm obviously a Colossus homer, but he does get a bad rap sometimes, and is often misused or underused by the writers. I think that because he is so powerful and could actualy end alot of battles very quickly, he has been the victim of writers just using any way that is convenient to knock him out of a fight.

Now I know he is not the most powerful mutant in terms of his abilities and the different things he can do, but anyone would have to admit that short of a telepath getting in his head, he is definitely one of the toughest X-Men to take out. And yet time and time again, he is being dispatched with too much ease, whether it be from some sort of energy blast(that should have little effect), or some second rate powerhouse or powerhouses standing toe to toe with him. I remember reading something a while back where the Beast said that in his opinion, Colossus is the worlds strongest mutant.

Lastly, I dont believe any writer has really tried to give Colossus a really involved plotline, aside from something that has to do with one of his siblings or Kitty. "Yawn".

[shades of eternity]

yeah, colossus more often then not seems to fill the role of worf in the x-men.

quite frankly, unless your name is hulk, juggernaut or thor, you should be scared @#$#@$less of fighting the strongest mutant in the x universe. We need more feats of strength showing why while kinda quiet, is a big damn hero.

I have to agree with the bedlam brothers. They were awesome in aoa and love their personality and power set. Tons of potential and fullfills a demographic.

same thing with avalanche. Loved the evo version of him and think that should have influenced the comic version.

and another vote for marrow. I hate female clones of popular characters (x-23) and liked marrow's story arc till it was cut short by one.

[Goshin]

Havok has been getting screwed for years. Put him and lorna dane back on earth, put the neal adams head gear back on his head and make him scream his 1969-1991 catchprase "cry HAVOK!" Right before charging up and firing his plasma bolts.

Always liked him better than his brother...

[Jeremi]

Yeah, I actually do have to agree with that. They created him and didn't seem to have a clue where he could be used. They had him team up with Gen X for one issue, and I think that could've been cool had he stayed.

Seconded on this, which is really a shame since he's probably one of my favorite X-Men. Wasn't there a rumor that Carey was planning on bringing him back?