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ResIpsaLoquitur
08-22-2009, 11:08 AM
So out of this year's SDCC, we got the announcement that World War Hulks will reveal a group called the Intelligencia:

"'[World War Hulks] Alpha' will be about a group of people who will be secret until we reveal it called the Intelligentsia. The idea is that in a world with the Illuminati and the Cabal, there is another group, and what they've been doing for a very, very long time is analyzing every battle, every conquest and every defeat that's happened to the heroes and villains of the Marvel Universe. And all of that will go into the battle plan for 'World War Hulks.' These people are extremely dangerous, [but] not because they have powers and abilities beyond those that we've seen before. These are, if not the smartest, among the smartest people in the Marvel Universe."

In fact, brains versus braun will be a central factor in the coming conflict, as the writer explained of Pak's larger plans for the series. "Something that Greg and I have tried to focus on as a difference between what went on in 'World War Hulk' and what's going on in 'World War Hulks.' 'World War Hulk' was so much about power and who was the strongest there is. That's certainly something that we've dealt with with the Red Hulk, but this is now about 'Who is the smartest person playing this game?' Really, war is not about 'might make right.' War is about strategy, and we're going to see a very carefully thought out battle plan. What the Intelligentsia is and who wants it is something that won't be revealed yet, but it's got some great people involved. After you read #600, you know it involves M.O.D.O.K., who is certainly one of the most brilliant minds if not THE most brilliant mind on the planet. Who else has he allied himself with?"

Other inteviews have said that this group has been around since "the early days of the Marvel Universe." Given Loeb's penchant for having "cute thematic" teams, who do we think will be in this lineup? I'd think obvious choices would be:


MODOK: A given after Incredible Hulk #600. Plus, he's got a really big head...that must mean he's intelligent!
The Leader: Probably also a given since this is a Hulk story. The Leader last showed up in the "Warbound" miniseries and teleported away. We don't know where he's gone, but he clearly had designs on the Old Power. With Skaar on Earth, this would probably be his cue to come back. Plus, he's got a big head!
The Wizard: Why not? He's an old FF villain with a genius IQ and a helmet that makes him look like he's got a big head!
Egghead: Another old villain, he dates back to 1962 and was typically an Ant Man villain. Plus, he's got a big head!

I'm stumped as to who else they could bring in. I mean, characters like Dr. Doom or Dr. Octopus are certainly geniuses, but I doubt that they'd want to get involved with a bunch of B-list villains with big heads. (Note: yeah, outside of how Peter David wrote him, the Leader tends to be B-list.) So who else qualifies for this team?

spiderwire
08-22-2009, 11:15 AM
I tend to think it's probably manipulaters like Sinister, Romulus, Von Strucker, Gamesmaster, Kang, and somebody new.

wayfarejourneyman
08-22-2009, 11:21 AM
Mad Thinker and Jackal are both pretty classic marvel mad scientists...

XPac
08-22-2009, 11:24 AM
The thing about this group is that you're likely going to have to omit the people most consider are THE smartest people on earth.

Presumably Reed and Doom won't be a part of this (though that's just speculation on my part), and that's the top of the MU food chain right there.

I'm also assuming that Banner, Stark, Pym, and T'Challa won't be either.

I just seems like this group is going to be stuck with the second stringers like Wizard or Mad Thinker. And that's really not that scary.

Grapeweasel
08-22-2009, 11:26 AM
Red Reed Richards.....


:evilsmile:

XPac
08-22-2009, 11:36 AM
Red Reed Richards.....


:evilsmile:

Red Richards is actually a pretty funny idea.

wayfarejourneyman
08-22-2009, 11:43 AM
Red Richards is actually a pretty funny idea.

Wouldn't Red Richards just default to Green Richards...

ResIpsaLoquitur
08-22-2009, 01:32 PM
Red Richards is actually a pretty funny idea.

Here's our Red Reed: http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brutereedceh.htm

Well, he's purple. But stick him in a red FF uniform, and bam...Red Reed.

wayfarejourneyman
08-22-2009, 01:48 PM
Here's our Red Reed: http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brutereedceh.htm

Well, he's purple. But stick him in a red FF uniform, and bam...Red Reed.

Ok, and his power set is just like Red Hulk's too...I think you might have solved the mystery!

ResIpsaLoquitur
08-22-2009, 02:06 PM
Ok, and his power set is just like Red Hulk's too...I think you might have solved the mystery!

Well...crap. The powers fit, the taste for cosmic energy fits, and Rick's reaction to the human Rulk also fits. But that would be the stupidest reveal ever. Argh!

Cthulhudrew
08-22-2009, 07:02 PM
Mad Thinker and Jackal are both pretty classic marvel mad scientists...

The (Mad) Thinker, for sure.

jackolover
08-23-2009, 09:13 PM
I will go with this band

MODOK
Qasimodo
Machine Man
Vision

Mechano
08-24-2009, 05:41 PM
pak has yet to do a definitive leader story yet... perhaps he is the mastermind behind world war hulk. i know he is usually the mastermind behind the hulk"s biggest stories, but i kind of like it that way. i much prefer him as the hulk"s arch-nemesis over the abomination.

Talkie Toaster
08-25-2009, 11:35 AM
It's definitely time for a new Leader story in the Hulk pages, but if Loeb's gonna make the Intelligencia some guys-with-big-heads group I'd rather they not include the Leader at all.

Monty_Cristo
08-25-2009, 11:44 AM
wait, aren't these brand new characters who have been plotting behind the scenes?

Talkie Toaster
08-25-2009, 11:52 AM
I don't think so, certainly not all of them as we already know MODOK is part of the group

Hrungr
08-25-2009, 12:33 PM
wait, aren't these brand new characters who have been plotting behind the scenes?
According to Pak (http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/gregpakinterview2.html) they've been around since the early days of the MU (and as mentioned, MODOK is a member).

IHEOD: Who are the Intelligensia? Are they all Hulk-centric villains (if they are villains…hmmm) or do they cover the Marvel Universe?

GP: Let’s just say it’s a group of characters who have been active in various secret ways throughout the history of the Marvel Universe. And their biggest, craziest plans come to a head during “World War Hulks.” Some of their members are Hulk-centric characters. But the group’s members come from all corners of the Marvel Universe -- and will have an impact in ways you can’t begin to imagine.

Monty_Cristo
08-25-2009, 02:35 PM
I don't think so, certainly not all of them as we already know MODOK is part of the group

and how do we already know that outside of the original poster speculating it? :_

Hrungr
08-25-2009, 02:40 PM
and how do we already know that outside of the original poster speculating it? :_
It was mentioned that MODOK was a member in the first round of World War Hulks interviews.

Monty_Cristo
08-25-2009, 02:41 PM
It was mentioned that MODOK was a member in the first round of World War Hulks interviews.

ahhhhhhhhh, that explains it. i'm slightly unimpressed. he loses all of the time and was part of something called the Intelligentsia?

Ogrebear
08-26-2009, 07:30 AM
Thing is don't under estimate the Humans in the Marvel Universe as well. Sure we have Big Brains like MODOK, Leader, Richards etc but people like Ross, Gyrich, the Commission on Superhuman Affairs (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/commissionsa.htm), Control (http://web.archive.org/web/20040604163829/http://welcome.to/ffplaza) all exist and have been manipulating events.

Given Pak's well known like of Marvel History I would not be surprised if he had not read the 1998 Dan Abnett and Igor Kordey's Conspiracy (http://themagicrobot.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/conspiracy/) mini which dealt with normal Military Humans creating and manipulating the superhumans for their own ends. Some info here (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/harrised.htm) and here (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ewingmar.htm). Supporting evidence archived here (http://web.archive.org/web/20040604163829/http://welcome.to/ffplaza)

I would not expect that the Intelligentsia is all super brains.

Hulk_Is
08-26-2009, 04:19 PM
Why is everone hating on MODOK all of the sudden? There's a reason why he has a large head and he is equipped with WMD's. I'm glad a writer is utilizing his these aspects. When I was a kid, MODOK was a scary mofo... he really was - not some joke.

Monty_Cristo
08-26-2009, 04:51 PM
Why is everone hating on MODOK all of the sudden? There's a reason why he has a large head and he is equipped with WMD's. I'm glad a writer is utilizing his these aspects. When I was a kid, MODOK was a scary mofo... he really was - not some joke.

yarrrgh, your glasses be rose colored.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5586/493585-mo1.jpg

Hulk_Is
08-26-2009, 11:57 PM
Oh no! My poor, poor MODOK. How far the mighty have fallen. hehe

I don't care though, he still can be a pretty menacing character given a writer who sees the potential here. Pick me, pick me! :biggrin:

Dr. Chaos
08-27-2009, 12:12 AM
wait, aren't these brand new characters who have been plotting behind the scenes?
Aside from possibly Modok, Thats what I've been assuming.

Definitely not expecting an Illuminati style get together of classic characters.

ResIpsaLoquitur
08-29-2009, 02:59 PM
Wow. (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22740)

I can't believe I called it this well. I wouldn't have pegged Doom to voluntarily belong to this group, though.

Mechano
08-29-2009, 03:11 PM
very surprised at the addition of Doom... pleased, but surprised.

XPac
08-29-2009, 03:32 PM
Doom being on board this gives group cred.

I thought this group might be a group of D listers, since I had trouble imagining an A lister like Doom would sign on. But if he's on board, then this group is a VERY credible threat.

Still... part of me wonders if this won't end up being a Doombot, like the Doom in Acts of Vengeance was.

Mechano
08-29-2009, 03:46 PM
Doom being on board this gives group cred.

I thought this group might be a group of D listers, since I had trouble imagining an A lister like Doom would sign on. But if he's on board, then this group is a VERY credible threat.

Still... part of me wonders if this won't end up being a Doombot, like the Doom in Acts of Vengeance was.

an it has tall head Leader rather than bubble-head Leader...tall head is much more of a threat. or maybe i just like him better. no man has the right to have a head that tall.

Dr. Chaos
08-29-2009, 04:11 PM
Doom being on board this gives group cred.

I thought this group might be a group of D listers, since I had trouble imagining an A lister like Doom would sign on. But if he's on board, then this group is a VERY credible threat.
I nearly pissed my pants when I saw Awesome Andy, The Red Ghost's apes and Egghead on there.

Scary stuff.

Expletive Deleted
08-29-2009, 04:12 PM
Doom + Monkeys + MODOK = YES.

XPac
08-29-2009, 04:15 PM
I nearly pissed my pants when I saw Awesome Andy, The Red Ghost's apes and Egghead on there.

Scary stuff.

I'm hoping SHe-Hulk managed to talk Awesome Andy into switching sides. I was kind of bummed on how his story turned out.