Trim the MU line to 20 titles.

[theXfactor]

The concept is the same as the DC thread and only the 616 universe counts.

I'll start:

1.Captain America
2.The Mighty Thor
3.Invincible Iron Man
4.Incredible Hulk
5.Amazing Spider-man
6.New Avengers
7.Mighty Avengers
8.Dark Avengers
9.Thunderbolts
10.Secret Warriors
11.Fantastic Four
12.Deadpool
13.Spider-Woman
14.Daredevil
15.Guardians of the Galaxy
16.Nova
17.Uncanny X-men
18.New Mutants
19.X-force
20.Wolverine

[RolandJP]

Ahh, Editor in Chief the Home Edition.


This should be good.

[Personamanx]

I would not be able to pick twenty good ones.

[Omega Alpha]

Wolverine
Wolverine: First Class
Wolverine: Weapon X
Wolverine Origins
Wolverine & The X-men
Deadpool
Deadpool: Merc With A Mouth
Cable & Deadpool
Amazing Spider-Man (3x)
Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends
Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane
Dark Avengers
Mighty Avengers
New Avengers
Avengers: The Initiative
Wolverine & Deadpool
Spider-Man & Wolverine
Spider-Man & Deadpool
Spiderman, Wolverine & Deadpool
Spider-Man Loves Wolverine

[Hulk_Is]

Not in the order of 'best' first to last, but just a quick post:

1. The Incredible Hulk
2. The Amazing Spider-Man
3. Web of Spider-Man
4. Agents of Atlas
5. X-Men Legacy
6. Vengeance Of Moon Knight
7. New Avengers (yeah, I know :rolleyes: )
8. Avengers: The Initiative
9. Mighty Avengers
10. Black Panther
11. Astonishing X-Men
12. Captain America
13. Fantastic Four (just cuz)
14. Thunderbolts
15. Ultimate Comics Spider-man
16. Ultimate Comics Avengers
17. X-Factor
18. Wolverine: Weapon X
19. MA Spider-Man
20. MA Super Heroes

[CaptainCanada]

Trying to be realistic, while incorporating some content decisions. These aren't in order of preference:

1. New Avengers
2. Dark Avengers
3. Mighty Avengers
4. Uncanny X-Men
5. Captain America
6. Daredevil
7. Thor
8. Invincible Iron Man
9. Fantastic Four
10. X-Force
11. Amazing Spider-Man
12. Wolverine: Weapon X
13. Incredible Hulk
14. X-Force
15. Hulk (I hate it, but it sells huge; cancelling it would make no business sense. If I were EIC, I'd use my EIC powers to mandate it stop sucking so much)
16. X-Men: Legacy
17. New Mutants
18. Thunderbolts
19. Secret Warriors
20. Incredible Hercules

[Brother Justin Crowe]

Just 616, eh? Here goes...

1.) The Avengers (3x)
2.) The Uncanny X-Men (3x)
3.) Astonishing X-Men (back-up: SWORD)
4.) Cable & Deadpool (back-up:
5.) Fantastic Four (back-up: Guardians of the Galaxy)
6.) Silver Surfer (back-up: Nova)
7.) Marvel Team-Up
8.) Marvel Comics Presents
9.) Captain America (back-up: Tales of the Winter Soldier)
10.) Thor (back-up: Tales From Asgard)
11.) Iron Man (back-up: War Machine)
12.) Thunderbolts
13.) (Nick Fury and the) Secret Warriors (back-up: From the Files of Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD0
14.) The Amazing Spider-Man (fixed continuity, 3x)
15.) Spider-Woman
16.) The Punisher (minus Frankencastle)
17.) Immortal Iron Fist
18.) Daredevil (back-up: Blade)
19.) Nextwave
20.) The Incredible Hulk (Just Banner, please.)

[YouthofToday]

1. Amazing Spider-man
2. New Avengers- revamp line up after Dark Reign
3. Mighty Avengers- same as above
4. Cap
5. Iron Man
6. Thor
7. Incredible Hulk
8. Uncanny X-Men
9. X-Men
10. Astonishing X-Men
11. Fantastic 4
12. Wolverine
13. Fury/SHIELD
14. X-Force
15. Deadpool
16. Astonishing Tales- 3 stories, 10 pages each. Top creative teams. This is where the B and C level guys will end up, i.e. Punisher, Iron Fist, Moon Knight, Ms Marvel, She Hulk, etc.
17. Cosmic Tales- similar to Astonishing. Nova, GOTG, Silver Surfer, Inhumans, etc.
18. Thunderbolts
19. Daredevil
20. Young Avengers- expand to add some of the kids form Secret Warriors.

[Gorgeousaur]

Not in any particular order:

Amazing Spider-Man
New Avengers
Dark Avengers
Mighty Avengers
Uncanny X-Men
Fantastic Four
Invincible Iron Man
Thor
Captain America
Secret Warriors
Agents of Atlas
Incredible Hercules
Nova
Gaurdians of the Galaxy
X-Men
New Mutants
Wolverine
Incredible Hulk
Thunderbolts
Runaways

[The Black Guardian]

1. Agents of Atlas
2. Amazing Spider-Man
3. Avengers
4. Captain America
5. Daredevil
6. Fantastic Four
7. Guardians of the Galaxy
8. Hulk (but not that red crap:mad: )
9. Incredible Hercules
10. Iron Man
11. New Mutants
12. Runaways
13. Spider-Woman
14. Thor
15. Uncanny X-Men
16. Wolverine
17. Wolverine: First Class
18. X-Factor
19. X-Men: First Class
20. X-Men: Legacy

[steveg887]

Wolverine
Wolverine: First Class
Wolverine: Weapon X
Wolverine Origins
Wolverine & The X-men
Deadpool
Deadpool: Merc With A Mouth
Cable & Deadpool
Amazing Spider-Man (3x)
Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends
Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane
Dark Avengers
Mighty Avengers
New Avengers
Avengers: The Initiative
Wolverine & Deadpool
Spider-Man & Wolverine
Spider-Man & Deadpool
Spiderman, Wolverine & Deadpool
Spider-Man Loves Wolverine

I assume that Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Deadpool will also be starring in all four Avengers titles, correct?

[janthonyh]

Mighty Avengers
Amazing Spider-Man
Thor (Beta Ray Bill back-up)
Captain America (Rikki Barnes back-up)
Invincible Iron Man (Pepper Potts/Iron Maiden back-up)
Incredible Hulk (Skaar back-up)
Fantastic Four (Silver Surfer back-up)
Uncanny X-Men
Wolverine (Daken back-up)
Deadpool: Merc with a Mouth (Bob Agent of HYDRA or Squirrel Girl back-up)
Spider-Girl
Rulk (She-Hulk back-up)
Incredible Hercules (Agents of Atlas back-up)
New Mutants
X-Factor
Punisher
Excalibur (relaunched CB&MI13)
Alpha Flight
Thunderbolts (American Eagle back-up)
Daredevil (Elektra back-up)

[Green Griffin]

1.) The Avengers (Combine Mighty and New after Dark Reign)
2.) Young Avengers/ Runaways backup. (Make up for Avengers: The Initiative)
3.) Wolverine: First Class
4.) Thunderbolts
5.) Amazing Spider-Man (3x)
6.) Captain America
7.) Invincible Iron Man/ War Machine Backup
8.) Hulk/ Incredible Hercules Backup (Both written by Pak)
9.) Thor
10.) X-Force/ New X-Men Backup
11.) Deadpool
12.) Secret Warriors
13.) Nova
14.) Guardians of the Galaxy
15.) Power Man & Iron Fist (Relaunch Immortal Iron Fist)
16.) Uncanny X-Men
17.) Doctor Voodoo Avenger of the Supernatural/ Strange Backup
18.) MI:13 (Relaunch Captain Britain.)
19.) Fantastic Four
20.) Daredevil

[Omega Alpha]

I assume that Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Deadpool will also be starring in all four Avengers titles, correct?

Not in Dark Avengers, which will feature Dark Wolverine, Dark Spider-Man, and Dark Deadpool

[Brother Justin Crowe]

Not in Dark Avengers, which will feature Dark Wolverine, Dark Spider-Man, and Dark Deadpool

Dark Deadpool, of course, being T-Ray?

[HopeLantern]

Spider-Man
1) Amazing Spider-Man
2) Spectacular Spider-Man (vol 2) New Comic (I’m feeling nostalgic. I just loved this series) Dan Slott would get this series all to himself. Put Bacchalo on Art duties.

Wolverine
3) Wolverine (details Wolvie’s off adventures when he’s not doing X-Men, X-Force or NA. Also includes a Daken back up feature). With only 1 title, would make the character seem special again.

Captain America
4) Captain America (Bucky KEEPS the title of Cap, while Steve goes into a Captain America: Origins status. He has to completely retrain his mind, body, etc. to become cap again. This takes 2-4 years, and he assists Bucky from time to time, but really, this remains Bucky’s book. Also Falcon would make a great appearance too)

New Avengers
5) Daredevil
6) New Avengers: Would do 1 of two things. Would pull Wolverine off the team. Would add Danny Rand back on.

Mighty Avengers
7) Mighty Avengers. Would have the Young Avengers as members as well. Wicken (spelling) gets a prominent role
8) Invincible Iron Man. Would feature a War Machine Back Up story. Priced at $3.99

Dark Avengers
9) Dark Avengers: Would keep this title. The Thunderbolts would be like “team B” status and would make appearances as well as their own title would go on hiatus.
Mutants
10) X-Force (would absorb Cable, Bishop and Hope into this story).
11) Uncanny X-Men: Would absorb Astonishing X-Men into this. Perhaps feature an X-factor Back up or let that team “rest” a few years. Would pull Wolverine away from this title, gradually making his appearances sporadic at best.

Team Books
12) Fantastic Four
13) Secret Warriors

Hulk
14) Hulk: Would keep this book. Lets face it, it sells. It’s a fun smash ‘em up. Keep Loeb on writing duties. He sells. Keep McGuinness on Art Duties. Would make it so that the stories are more 1 and done, with no long term continuity implications but you’d see a lot of good fights (Rulk vs. Ms. Marvel, Rulk vs. Gladiator, Rulk vs. Daken, Rulk vs. Black Suited Spidey, Rulk vs. Thing, Rulk vs. Captain Universe, etc. Just a fun smash book).
15) Incredible Hulk: Would absorb Skaar into this and Incredible Hercules back up feature. Pak remains the writer. Priced at $3.99

Misc
16) Deadpool
17) Punisher (however… I really think a “Deadpool and Punisher book would be a hilariousread).
18) Black Panther and Storm. (not a new comic but a new title that takes up the Black Panther numbering. (Would do a major overhaul on the book. Would make the series go back to original BP numbering, get T’Challa back as the Panther, kill Suri, and make the series a bit more global. Instead of Wakanda being it's place, we'd integrate it into the larger MU. Would move Doom here for a bit to make a great foil and rivalry for BP and Storm. Not sure who would write (Brubaker? Slott? Kelly? But would pay top $ for the writer. I really would like this comic to be interesting), would put Yu on art duties).
19) Thor
20) Event Book. Events that happen occur here. (ex. Civil War, Secret Invasion). Also all tie-ins occur in the actual title so you don’t have to buy something extra i.e. No “Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man”. Instead, issues #721-724 would be the Secret Invasion storyline for Spider-Man)

Darn... I didn't include a Cosmic themed book. I guess if I had to, I'd cut Spectacular Spidey and replace it with like "Nova" or "Silver Surfer" or "Gladiator" or something along those lines.

[earl]

Spider-man - bi-weekly
Avengers - weekly - I'd tie all of the series into one book with multiple artist and writers.
X-men - weekly - Get rid of all of the side titles and you have one comic with all of that stuff. You want to follow the mutants, here you go.

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Wolverine
Deadpool
Fantastic Four
Hulk
Daredevil
Punisher
(single title w/ all cosmic stuff)

[Leocomix]

Well, since there is no restriction on size we can increase all titles to 48 pages and fit two features per series
We need diversity in genres so as to increase the readers base

1. FF
2. Thor
3. Hulk (or Loeb/Pak co-feature)
4. ASM
5. Iron Man
6. Nick Fury (or co-feature with Agents of Atlas)
7. Avengers
8. X-Men (Wolverine co-feature)
9. DD
10. Captain America
11. Hercules (or co-feature with Thor)
12. Deadpool
13. Punisher
14. Thunderbolts
15. Guardians of the Galaxy (with a rotating line-up of cosmic characters) and Nova
16. Young Avengers (or any other young team)
17. Agents of Atlas (we need a 50s book
18. A horror themed-book is needed: Midnight Sons/Dr Voodoo
19. Power Man Iron Fist (or larger Heroes for Hire cast)
20. Put everyone's forgotten favorite here

[theXfactor]

I will add a new rule: Every title must have a back-up.
My updated list:

1.Captain America / Black Widow
2.Thor / Beta Ray Bill
3.Invincible Iron Man / War Machine
4.Incredible Hulk (Bruce Banner / Skaar)
5.Amazing Spider-man (x3 - only title without a back-up)
6.New Avengers / Ms. Marvel
7.Mighty Avengers / Hercules
8.Secret Warriors / Thunderbolts
9.Fantastic Four / Agents of Atlas
10.Guardians of the Galaxy / Nova
11.Sons of Midnight/ Blade
12.Deadpool / DP team-up
13.Spider-Woman / S.W.O.R.D.
14.Daredevil / Elektra
15.Dr. Voodoo / Strange (really liked this idea from another poster)
16.Punisher / Moon Knight
17.Uncanny X-men / New X-men
18.New Mutants / Hellions
19.X-force / Cable
20.Wolverine / Daken

[YouthofToday]

I will add a new rule: Every title must have a back-up.
My updated list:

1.Captain America / Black Widow
2.Thor / Beta Ray Bill
3.Invincible Iron Man / War Machine
4.Incredible Hulk (Bruce Banner / Skaar)
5.Amazing Spider-man (x3 - only title without a back-up)
6.New Avengers / Ms. Marvel
7.Mighty Avengers / Hercules
8.Secret Warriors / Thunderbolts
9.Fantastic Four / Agents of Atlas
10.Guardians of the Galaxy / Nova
11.Sons of Midnight/ Blade
12.Deadpool / DP team-up
13.Spider-Woman / S.W.O.R.D.
14.Daredevil / Elektra
15.Dr. Voodoo / Strange (really liked this idea from another poster)
16.Punisher / Moon Knight
17.Uncanny X-men / New X-men
18.New Mutants / Hellions
19.X-force / Cable
20.Wolverine / Daken

I like this idea. Take the whole line to $3.99, but have a 22 page main and a 8-10 page back up.

1. ASM- same as yours. 3x/month. No back ups, stays at $3.
2. New Avengers / Spider-woman
3. Mighty Avengers / Young Avengers
4. Captain America / Bucky and Black Widow
5. Iron Man / War Machine
6. Daredevil / Iron Fist
7. Wolverine / Wolverine Origins(he has to have 2 solos books!)
8. Uncanny X-Men / X-Factor
9. Fantastic 4 / Silver Surfer
10. Thor / Hercules
11. Incredible Hulk / She-Hulk
12. Nova / GOTG
13. SHEILD (when it comes back) / Untold Fury Tales from the 60s
14. Moon Knight / Blade
15. Deadpool / Punisher
16. Astonishing X-Men / SWORD
17. X-Force / Cable
18. Avengers UK (Union Jack, Black Knight, others) / MI 13
19. Thunderbolts / Agents of Atlas
20. X-men Legacy / New Mutants

[LungerTony]

Only 20 - these are in new particular order.
I don't understand what a back-up title is. Is it a title on stand-by if the chosen title tanks or something???
That means your choosing 40 titles - that's not exactly trimming their on-going production.

1. Fantastic Four
2. Amazing Spiderman
3 Hulk (Bruce banner book)
4 New Avengers
5 Dark Avengers
6 Avengers Initiative
7 Uncanny X-men
8 X-Factor
9 X-Force
10 Ghost Rider
11 Punisher
12 Captain America
13 Daredevil
14 Nova
15 Guardians of the Galaxy
16 Thunderbolts
17 Wolverine
18 Thor
19 Iron Man
20 Astonishing X-Men

[daveageallen]

thor
hulk
captain america
mighty avengers
iron man
dark team like midnight sons/brother voodoo
doctor strange
xmen i guese...
cable
secret warriors
namor
war machine
silver surfer on earth series.....
i cant think of anymore i wanna read about

[CaptainOtter]

A rough list. I just listed the character/team name, and if that team has more than one title i'll mark it.

Captain America
Iron Man
Hulk
Thor
Spiderman
Fantastic Four
Wolverine
Xmen (2)
X-force
Deadpool
Secret Warriors (any book with Nick Fury and other SHIELD agents)
Thunderbolts
Daredevil
Iron Fist
Black Panther
Nova
Guardians of the Galaxy
A Doctor Strange titile, or something related to the magic side of things. Ghost Rider could fit into this category, as could Blade.

The last title would be a single Avengers series. I think that splitting up the team into two is great in the short run, but I like the idea of the Avengers as Earth's Mightiest heroes. When you have three or more teams permanently running around, I think it dilutes that concept. It works for right now, but not permanently. You can't have three "mightiest" teams. No new, mighty, or dark. Just the Avengers.

What I tried to do is cover as many bases as possible and hit on key heroes. I think with these twenty, you get all the big heroes and can tie in all the big threats. Nova/Guardians keeps the cosmic stuff around, Doctor Strange brings in magic, and Secret Warriors/SHIELD brings in the espionage. You can the tie these elements in with the main heroes to keep up the shared universe.

[janthonyh]

I don't understand what a back-up title is. Is it a title on stand-by if the chosen title tanks or something???

A back-up is a short 8-10 page story found in the back of a regular sized comic. So basically you get 2 stories for the price of one.

[LungerTony]

I based my list off a combination of diversity, titles that are proven to sell, and Marvel's key traditional properties.

There is one thing I missed from my list and it is a comedic book. Deadpool or even Hercules should have been added.

I would remove Astonishing X to make room for Dpool.

[Blackhawkk]

Ha! Marvel would put out 200 titles a month if they could. The ghost of Martin Goodman will always haunt Marvel and his marketing schemes of glutting the market has worked wonders for Marvel. And it always will.

Marvel needs to add more titles. Just add some cheap newsprint titles reprinting old stories, sell 'em for $2 each.

[paulski]

Trim the MU line to 20 titles.

I'd like to see that for a start. And they could do it without any trouble what. so. ever.

[hotrodimus]

this looks fun..

1. spiderman
2. avengers
3. hulk
4. iron man
5. captain america
6. thor
7. x-men
8. punisher
9. daredevil
10. fantastic 4
11. marvel knights
12. wolverine
13. ms marvel
14. midnight sons
15. nova
16. guardians of the galaxy
17. SHIELD
18. thunderbolts
19. another avengers title
20. another x-men title

[Sir Tim Drake]

I agree that it's hard to come up with 20. I'd include Howard the Duck and Omega if Gerber was still alive. I'd include Tomb of Dracula and Master of Kung Fu if not for the fact that they've both been revived already, and neither revival was particularly good.

Thus:

1. Spider-Man
2. Avengers
3. Tales of Suspense (Cap/Iron Man)
4. Tales to Astonish (Hulk/Namor)
5. Strange Tales (Doctor Strange/Nick Fury)
5. X-Men
6. Fantastic Four
7. Daredevil
8. Thor
9. Hercules
10. Guardians of the Galaxy
11. Excalibur
12. Marvel Team-Up
13. GLA starring Squirrel Girl
14. Power Pack
15. Runaways
16. Pet Avengers
17. She-Hulk
18. Defenders
19. Marvel Apes
20. Ka-Zar

[bjmorga]

1. X-Men Legacy
2. Uncanny X-Men
3. X-Force
4. Wolverine
5. New Avengers
6. Mighty Avengers
7. Amazing Spider-Man
8. Captain America
9. The Invincible Iron Man
10. Incredible Hulk
11. Punisher
12. Ghost Rider
13. Daredevil
14. Thor
15. Fantastic Four
16. Deadpool (for the kids)
17. Thunderbolts
18. Strange Tales (an anthology featuring different characters from the MU's cosmic arena)
19. Marvel Knights (an anthology featuring different characters from the MU's darker side)
20. Marvel Comics Presents (an anthology featuring different characters from the MU at large)

[Stephen Sanders]

1-Amazing Spider-Man
2-Wolverine
3-Uncanny X-Men
4-New Avengers
5-Captain America
6-Thor
7-Ghost Rider
8-Fantastic Four
9-Incredible Hulk
10-Dr. Strange
11-Daredevil
12-Nick Fury/Secret Warriors
13-Iron Man
14-Deadpool
15-Giant Size Cosmic book (Nova/GOTG one month, Sh'iar/Inhumans another or something similiar)
16-Thunderbolts
17-Moon Knight
18-Another X-Men book possibly X-Force
19-Namor
20-Marvel Team Up or Marvel Comics Presents mostly featuring Iron Fist, Punisher, Midnight Sons

[Illmatik]

1. Uncanny X-Men
2. X-Men (changed back to adjectiveless title)
3. Wolverine
4. Deadpool
5. Avengers (Nick Fury / Secret Warriors Backup)
6. Captain America
7. Iron Man (War Machine Back Up)
8. Thor
9. Daredevil (Elektra Backup)
10. Punisher
11. Moon Knight / Ghost Rider / Blade
12. Nova / Guardians of the Galaxy merger
13. Immortal Iron Fist
14. X-Factor
15. X-Force / Cable
16. Hulk (Red Hulk Backup:eek: )
17. Dr. Strange
18. Fantastic Four (Thing / Human Torch Backup)
19. Amazing Spider-Man (Spider Girl Back Up)
20. Spectacular Spider-Man / Marvel Knights Spider-Man
21. Ms. Marvel / Spider-Woman

[spiderwire]

1. Amazing Spiderman
2. Spectacular Spiderman
3. Marvel Team-UP (featuring Spiderman)
4. Thunderbolts
5. Strange Tales (featuring Midnight Sons)
6. Cage & Iron Fist
7. Black Panther
8. Dr. Strange
9. New Avengers
10. Mighty Avengers
11. Invincible Iron Man
12. Captain America
13. Deadpool
14. Punisher Max
15. Fantastic Four
16. Marvel Presents (cosmic heroes)
17. Wolverine
18. Uncanny X-Men
19. X-Men/X-Force
20. Incredible Hulk

[spiderwire]

1. Amazing Spiderman
2. Spectacular Spiderman
3. Marvel Team-UP (featuring Spiderman)
4. Thunderbolts
5. Strange Tales (featuring Midnight Sons)
6. Cage & Iron Fist
7. Black Panther
8. Dr. Strange
9. New Avengers
10. Mighty Avengers
11. Invincible Iron Man
12. Captain America
13. Deadpool
14. Punisher Max
15. Fantastic Four
16. Marvel Presents (cosmic heroes)
17. Wolverine
18. Uncanny X-Men
19. X-Men/X-Force
20. Incredible Hulk

Dang I still left out Daredevil, Cable and Thor! This thread is impossible.

[Triforce]

I don't like the back-up idea. Why try to cram in another story in too little pages probably made by B-list creators (if they were good, they would have their own books).

The big franchise books, possible bi-monthly or weekly (maybe not for FF) with rotating creative teams:

1. X-Men
2. Spider-Man
3. Avengers
4. Fantastic Four

Solo-books spinning off from the franchises, which are too popular to simply cancel:

5. Wolverine
6. Captain America
7. Thor
8. Iron Man

Other solo books:

9. Daredevil
10. Deadpool
11. Punisher
12. Hulk

A kids book:

13. Marvel Adventures

A book for the space-opera stuff:

14. Marvel Cosmic (needs a catchier title though)

Stories about less popular heroes (Moon Knight, Iron Fist, Dr. Strange, etc.) with rotating creative teams:

15. Marvel Comics Presents

A book that doesn't fit with the other ones but is too cool to simply vanish:

16. Runaways

An event-book for crossovers and stuff:

17. Marvel Events (needs a catchier title as well, let the marketing people come up with that)

I can fit in the Ultimate Universe in here as well:

18. Ultimate Spider-Man
19. Ultimate Avengers
20. Ultimate Marvel (giving room to events but also stories about solo Avengers memebers, mutants and the FF)

There, the Marvel Universe fixed!

[ironbyte]

not in particular order:


New Avengers (avengers re-assembled after dark reign)
MIghty Avengers (avengers re-assembled after dark reign)
Dark Avengers (the original thunderbolts with zemo and friends)
Captain America (steve)
Iron Man
Ms Marvel
Thor
Hercules
Hulk (with banner)
She Hulk (with jennifer)
Amazing spiderman
Uncanny XMen
X-Force
X-Factor
Wolverine
Fantastic Four
Daredevil
Deadpool
Punisher
Guardian of the Galaxy

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

Deadpool
Deadpool: Merc With A Mouth
Deadpool Team-Up
Ghost Rider
Guardians Of The Galaxy
Incredible Hercules
Moon Knight
Nova
Punisher
Punisher MAX
Thunderbolts
X-Factor

And that's all I need...

[Jim Thompson]

Amazing Spider-Man
Fantastic Four
Avengers
X-Men
Daredevil
Iron Man
Thor
Captain America
Incredible Hulk
Dr. Strange
Master of Kung Fu (Shang Chi)
Power-Man and Iron Fist
Nova
Deadpool
Moon Knight
Machine Man
Marvel Fanfare
Marvel Team-Up
Dr. Doom ongoing
What If...?

[raskal66]

I don't like the back-up idea. Why try to cram in another story in too little pages probably made by B-list creators (if they were good, they would have their own books).


I thought I was going to be the first to ask it. Someone earlier in the thread said it's like 2 stories for the price of 1. It's like 1.3 stories for the price of one @ 8 pages. If it's not main feature material, then I'd keep it out of the MU I design. I only tolerate it now because it helps cover up the absolute shameless greed by the publishers trying to put the squeeze on the consumer. I think it's still a stupid idea, but id does add perceived value for $3.99 where Marvel has previously just said, "TS. You're crackheads, you won't leave us no matter what we do cuz we've got your fix. We beat you and you like it. Clean my my dishes, whore."

1. Amazing Spider Man
2. Avengers
3. Uncanny X-Men
4. Fantastic Four
5. Iron Man
6. Hulk (Just a book of the character, not endorsing Loeb's or Pak's, but if I were EiC, it would definitely be Pak)
7. Daredevil
8. Wolverine
9. Martial Arts Adventures (Better title is needed, but would star Iron Fist, Elektra, Master Izo, Fat Cobra, etc. who just can't keep enough books moving on their own. Like an ongoing Immortal Weapons)
10. Secret Warriors
11. Mighty Avengers
12. Guardians of the Galaxy
13. Hercules
14. Thunderbolts
15. Dr. Strange
16. Captain America
17. Deadpool
18. Moon Knight
19. Black Panther
20. Punisher

[Dark Soul # 7]

1. Amazing Spider-man (X3)
2. Avengers (X3)
3. Uncanny X-men
4. Astonishing X-men
5. Wolverine
6. Incredible Hulk
7. Thunderbolts
8. Captain America
9. Invincible Iron man
10. The Mighty Thor
11. Fantastic Four
12. Guardians of the Galaxy
13. Avengers: The Initiative
14. Cable & Deadpool
15. Daredevil
16. Runaways
17. Young Avengers
18. Silver Surfer: Herald of Galactus
19. Hercules
20. Black Panther

[TOAA]

1. Captain America / SHIELD back-up
2. Thor / back-up with rotating cast of various myth based characters
3. Iron Man / SHIELD back-up
4. Incredible Hulk / She-Hulk back-up
5. Amazing Spider-man / Same as with Thor only focusing on Parker`s villains.
6. Avengers / Young Avengers back-up
7. Fantastic Four / Inhumans back-up
8. Uncanny X-Men / Legacy back-up
9. X-Factor / New X-Men back-up
10. Wolverine / X-Force back-up
11. Daredevil / Elektra back-up
12. Guardians of the Galaxy / Nova back-up
13. The Punisher / Hood back-up
14. Astonising Tales or some other anthology title.
15. Alpha Flight / Runaways back-up, they said fck it and moved to Canada :tongue:
16. Captain Britain / Blade back-up
17. Ghost Rider / Doctor Strange back-up
18. Black Panther / Doom back-up
19. Ms. Marvel / Marvel Boy back-up
20. Spider-Woman/SWORD back-up

:biggrin:

[Talkie Toaster]

Hulk, X-force, Thunderbolts, Dark Avengers, Punisher and 15 Deadpool titles :biggrin:

[NewMutant]

Mighty Avengers (2x)
Young Avengers
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Ms. Marvel
She Hulk
Fantastic Four (Cosmic Marvel back-up)
Amazing Spider-Man (3x)
Uncanny X-Men (2x)
New X-Men
Wolverine (3x)
Storm and the Black Panther
Incredible Hulk
Daredevil
Thunderbolts
Deadpool
Punisher
Alias (Heroes for Hire back-up)
Runaways


Not including minis, one shots, or events. And I love the idea of some of these having a back up.

[streator]

1. avengers (core title)
2. avengers: legacy (stories for avengers-related characters not in core title)
3. captain america (solo)
4. iron man (solo)
5. thor (solo)
6. amazing spider-man (solo)
7. web of spider-man (stories for spidey-related characters not in core title)
8. uncanny x-men (core title)
9. x-men: legacy (stories for x-men-related characters not in core title)
10. wolverine (solo)
11. x-force (team book)
12. x-factor (team book)
13. marvel cosmic (nova, guardians of the galaxy, etc.)
14. marvel knights (daredevil, moon knight, punisher, etc.)
15. fantastic four (core title)

[BeastieRunner]

Agents of Atlas Parker/Kirk
Amazing Spider-Man Bendis/JRJR
Avengers Millar/Cho
Criminal Icon Brubaker/Phillips
Dead of Night MAX Rotating characters, stories, art, & writers
Fantastic Four Hickman/Eaglesham
Guardians of the Galaxy DnA/Lilly/Almond/Peru
Heroes for Hire Fraction/Dodson/Dodson
Incognito Icon Brubaker/Phillips
Incredible Hulk Pak/Pagulayan
Marvel Knights featuring Daredevil, Moon Knight, & Black Panther Brubaker/Aja, Huston/Arlem/Chung, Benson/Palo
Midnight Sons featuring Ghost Rider, Blade, & the Nightstalkers Aaron/Texeira, Cornell/Chaykin, & Guggenheim/???
Ms. Marvel PAD/Chen
Nova DnA/Di Vito
Punisher MAX Ennis/Larosa
Runaways Moore/Miyazawa
Strange Tales featuring Ant-Man (Eric O'Grady), Deadpool, & the Thunderbolts Kirkman/Hester, Kelly/McGuinness, & Ellis/Finch
ThorJMS/Coipel
Uncanny X-Men ???/???
X-Men: New Mutants ???/ImmonenThe anthology books (Marvel Knights, Midnight Sons, & Strange Tales) would run as follows:
Thrice Monthly $4.99
Week One features the first character/team in a 32 page story with two backups involving the other two (8 pages a piece).
Week Two features the second character/team in a 32 page story with two backups involving the other two (8 pages a piece).
Week Three features the third character/team in a 32 page story with two backups involving the other two (8 pages a piece).
The back-ups tie into the story for each character. Basically meaning you get 48 pages of story for each character a month!
The #1s and annuals will be 66 pages (22 for each character) for $5.99! All covers for all books would be by Ribic, Dell'Otto, Djurdjevic, Klein, & Granov.

The Avengers would be:

Captain America
Iron Man
Wolverine
Wonder Man
Beast
The Wasp
Black WidowThe Heroes for Hire would be:

Iron Fist
Power Man
Misty Knight
Colleen Wing
Black Cat
Shang-ChiAll other teams would be as they are now.

I don't know enough about the X-Men to make good decisions for them, so I would find somebody to run that department. I do think Stuart Immonen would be a good fit for me new X-Men: New Mutants. Basically, it's the newbies. Uncanny would be the normal X-Men team with NO WOLVERINE!

I'd want a gritty artist for the Nightstalkers.

I would also don my Scarlet Witch costume and issue the follow decrees:

Wolverine can only be on one team.
Spider-Man has back-up stories featuring him single, etc. while the main stories are progressive (maybe he's married again).
NO MORE EVENTS!
Unless they stay within their own title or existing titles. And no more than two tie-ins.

[nieman]

1. Marvel Team-Up - one-shots or 5 issue Arcs
2. Amazing Spider-Man (bi-weekly)
3. Incredible Hulk
4. Captain America - WInter Soldier, Falcon, Sharon Carter
5. Invincible Iron - all War Machine stories should be here
6. Daredevil
7. Punisher - keep it like the current 616 version...him going after the biggies of the MU...its not like Wolverine ever killed someone significant that stayed dead either
8. New Avengers - vigilant team
9. Mighty Avengers - always should be 2 Avenger teams this the more mainstream
10. Dark Avengers/Dark Reign - definitely needs a villain book...and one of importance too. After Osborn falls, maybe it will shift to Doom, Tombstone or Dormannu, someone else trying to take over the Cabal...rise of power of...
11. Captain Britain & MI:13 - the International book
12. Dr. Strange Midnight Sons - the supernatural book but lead by Strange and maybe Voodoo with Ghost Rider, Hellstrom etc
13. Black Panther & Storm - them outside of Wakanda
14. Fantastic Four
15. SHIELD/Secret Warriors - Nick Fury, Secret Warriors, Maria Hill on different missions
16. Guardians of the Galaxy - The Cosmic book including Silver Surfer
17. X-Men -the main team
18. Uncanny X-Men - different
19. X - Force - The black ops team (keep Wolverine mainly here but keep adding members like it's been doing
20. X-Missions - X-Factor, New Mutants , etc (all active X-Men can fit in one of these books)
21. Marvel Divas Need a female character book and and keep the cast rotating.

[rolacka]

I know nobody has added to this thread in awhile but:

1, 2 - Avengers
3, 4 - X-men
5 - Spider-man
6 - Wolverine
7 - Iron Man
8 - Captain America
9 - Thor

10 Hulk
11 Fantastic Four
12 Deadpool
13 Daredevil
14 Black Panther
15 Black Widow
16 Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers)
17 Guardians of the Galaxy

18 Secret Warriors
19 X-Factor
20 Spider-woman

All of the series would have one writer and start to be renumbered, at least on the trades, with each new writer . Avengers and X-men would have rotating artists but the rest of the series would try as much as possible to have one artist throughout a writer's run (eg bendis/maleev's or Brubaker/Lark's Daredevil, Fraction/Larroca's Iron Man)

The first group are the big sellers. I think by simplifying and consolidating all of these a single title there will be big sales and they can take the top spots (look at Astonishing X-men or Ultimates sales - both very creator driven series with big name characters that ignored every other series so it could tell its own story).

The second group start with reasonably big sellers, as well as characters whose profiles are likely to be raised by future movies (Ms. Marvel will be in Avengers I reckon). I wanted to put some female characters in here as well as Black Panther. They are all characters or series that could be very strong in the right hands. This group would change with the times and drop underperforming series rather than relaunch them or change the team.

The last group are just a few of my favourite series. I would make these three spots series that live and die by their creator. When the original writer wants to leave the series will end and another new series will start.

So to sum up
1. Big name draws. Movie/cartoon characters in high profile top selling series to attract new readers. One writer and (where possible) one artist.
2. Well known or well selling characters.
3. Niche series with plenty of minor characters the creator can do anything to.

[rbcsecruoser]

I know nobody has added to this thread in awhile but:

1, 2 - Avengers
3, 4 - X-men
5 - Spider-man
6 - Wolverine
7 - Iron Man
8 - Captain America
9 - Thor

10 Hulk
11 Fantastic Four
12 Deadpool
13 Daredevil
14 Black Panther
15 Black Widow
16 Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers)
17 Guardians of the Galaxy

18 Secret Warriors
19 X-Factor
20 Spider-woman

All of the series would have one writer and start to be renumbered, at least on the trades, with each new writer . Avengers and X-men would have rotating artists but the rest of the series would try as much as possible to have one artist throughout a writer's run (eg bendis/maleev's or Brubaker/Lark's Daredevil, Fraction/Larroca's Iron Man)

The first group are the big sellers. I think by simplifying and consolidating all of these a single title there will be big sales and they can take the top spots (look at Astonishing X-men or Ultimates sales - both very creator driven series with big name characters that ignored every other series so it could tell its own story).

The second group start with reasonably big sellers, as well as characters whose profiles are likely to be raised by future movies (Ms. Marvel will be in Avengers I reckon). I wanted to put some female characters in here as well as Black Panther. They are all characters or series that could be very strong in the right hands. This group would change with the times and drop underperforming series rather than relaunch them or change the team.

The last group are just a few of my favourite series. I would make these three spots series that live and die by their creator. When the original writer wants to leave the series will end and another new series will start.

So to sum up
1. Big name draws. Movie/cartoon characters in high profile top selling series to attract new readers. One writer and (where possible) one artist.
2. Well known or well selling characters.
3. Niche series with plenty of minor characters the creator can do anything to.
Very good, except give Black Widow's book to Runaways, and Thunderbolts instead of X-Factor. And make Deadpool, Cable & Deadpool or Deadpool starring with a new guest every new arc.

[rolacka]

Very good, except give Black Widow's book to Runaways, and Thunderbolts instead of X-Factor. And make Deadpool, Cable & Deadpool or Deadpool starring with a new guest every new arc.

Thanks, I think the last three would have limited life spans and the creators would make a 12 to 36 issue pitch so they would change quite rapidly so Thunderbolts would have replaced X-Factor already. There were plenty of espionagey already on my list, but that along with Punisher were the things I thought were most missing. This is just the MU so there could be a Thunderbolts Max to go with Punisher Max?

Not read runaways but will do at some point. It is so low on sales though and not sure it can go up easily. From what I have heard it sounds like was the type of series that should have stopped with Vaughan and gone out on a high. I'm not insulting creative teams, but I think there need to be more projects that the corporations should let go (eg Iron Fist) after the original team leaves so that if they want to relaunch the title a few years down the line the last thing published had great acclaim.

I disagree on Black Widow , she is going to be in Iron Man 2 so her profile will raise, and she is one of the few female characters not the female version of a male character (plus I'm thinking Ed Brubaker will write it with Bucky as supporting and leaving Captain America to focus on Steve, Sharon and Falcon).

Sure, Deadpool can do whatever, it is the humour title.

[RolandJP]

1.Amazing Spiderman
2.The Avengers
3.Mighty Avengers
4.The Fantastic Four
5.The Incredible Hulk
6.The Uncanny X-men
7.X-factor
8.X-force
9.Wolverine
10.Marvel Premiere --Anthology series of one shots, limited series, and new character introductions in one book: Black Widow, Iron Fist, Blade, Shang Chi, Hellcat, or Golden Age heroes, etc.
11.Captain America
12.Daredevil
13.The Punisher
14.Deadpool
15.Guardians of the Galaxy
16.Ms. Marvel
17.Ghost Rider
18.Thunderbolts
19. Black Panther & Storm
20.What If

[rolacka]

1.Amazing Spiderman
2.The Avengers
3.Mighty Avengers
4.The Fantastic Four
5.The Incredible Hulk
6.The Uncanny X-men
7.X-factor
8.X-force
9.Wolverine
10.Marvel Premiere --Anthology series of one shots, limited series, and new character introductions in one book: Black Widow, Iron Fist, Blade, Shang Chi, Hellcat, or Golden Age heroes, etc.
11.Captain America
12.Daredevil
13.The Punisher
14.Deadpool
15.Guardians of the Galaxy
16.Ms. Marvel
17.Ghost Rider
18.Thunderbolts
19. Black Panther & Storm
20.What If

Cool list, how many of those do you follow and how many do you just think should be published because they always have been?

I don't think I would support an ongoing title without a strong focus (What if, marvel premiere). I just don't think either of them would sell very much, certainly not for a long period of time.

You have 2 Avengers books and 3 X-books (if you consider X-factor to be an X-book. I think of it more as a title about mutants). How would they differentiate themselves from each other, or would they not?

I'm asking because I bought loads of modern Avengers stuff off ebay and enjoyed New Avengers but disliked Mighty (I liked the secret invasion tie-ins though). I thought that they were not telling different enough stories. I was happy for the Avengers teams to be split, but I think it would be better to keep them both in one title. All the appearances of the Mighty Avengers in New Avengers were good, I think there should have been more of them. The way they split some stories into several series seems odd to me. It would be like watching the first series of Heroes, but each character's story being a different show. It would still make sense, but there is less scope to introduce new characters etc.

If people don't mind, could they post a few comments to expand on their choices, maybe comment on other peoples?

[pharoahe22]

1. Wolverine: Weapon X (One of the best books in marvel period right now...2x a month)
2. The Amazing Spiderman (3x a month)
3. Daredevil & The Hand (Elektra, Black Tarantula, White Tiger & Co.)
4. The Incredible Hulk (Greg Pak's Book)/She-Hulk back-up story
5. Captain America & the Agents of Shield (Featuring Bucky, Steve Rogers, Black Widow, Falcon, The Secret Warriors & Nick Fury (SWORD back-Up story)
6. Avengers: International (Double-Sized, Featuring Captain Britain & MI: 13, The Black Panther, etc.)
7. The Incredible Hercules with Agents of Atlas Backup
8. Guardians of the Galaxy (Double-Sized, Darkhawk joins, Nova joins part-time & has a back-up story)
9. X-force (Deadpool & Cable join the team)
10. The Midnight Sons (Ghost Rider, Dr. Strange, Doctor Voodoo, etc.)
11. Marvel Team-up (First arc = Sentry/Moon Knight: Sunrise & Knightfall)
12. The Uncanny X-men (Featuring an X-factor back-up...PAD on both stories)
13. The Fantastic Four with an Inhumans Back-up story.
14. The Mighty Thor with an Eternals Back-up Story
15. The Punisher with a Moon Knight Back-Up Story
16. The Avengers (Every issue is double sized. Rotating cast...overseen by Nick Fury...the Vision Coordinates them & delegates the targets based on each heroes skill set. Takes place after Norman Osborn is taken down. A collective squad of New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, Ares, The Sentry & Marvel Boy
17. The Thunderbolts...Daken, Venom, Bullseye, & Moonstone join the current cast, who are secretly being run by Norman Osborn.
18. Iron Man (With a War-Machine Back-up story)
19. The Immortal Weapons (Featuring Iron Fist & Co. with a Shang-Chi Back-up)
20. The Initiative Double-sized, Featuring all of the up & comers: Gravity, the Young Avengers, etc., with a Runaways back-up

[Global Honored]

Daredevil
Captain America
Amazing Spider-Man
Invincible Iron Man
Thor
Incredible Hulk
Immortal Iron Fist
Wolverine
Punisher
Ghost Rider
Spider-Woman
Uncanny X-Men
Fantastic Four
Thunderbolts
Agents of Atlas
Guardians of the Galaxy
New Avengers or Mighty Avengers
Dark Reign/Dark Avengers
Captain Britain & MI13
Nick Fury & Secret Warriors

[rolacka]

1. Wolverine: Weapon X (One of the best books in marvel period right now...2x a month)
2. The Amazing Spiderman (3x a month)
3. Daredevil & The Hand (Elektra, Black Tarantula, White Tiger & Co.)
4. The Incredible Hulk (Greg Pak's Book)/She-Hulk back-up story
5. Captain America & the Agents of Shield (Featuring Bucky, Steve Rogers, Black Widow, Falcon, The Secret Warriors & Nick Fury (SWORD back-Up story)
6. Avengers: International (Double-Sized, Featuring Captain Britain & MI: 13, The Black Panther, etc.)
7. The Incredible Hercules with Agents of Atlas Backup
8. Guardians of the Galaxy (Double-Sized, Darkhawk joins, Nova joins part-time & has a back-up story)
9. X-force (Deadpool & Cable join the team)
10. The Midnight Sons (Ghost Rider, Dr. Strange, Doctor Voodoo, etc.)
11. Marvel Team-up (First arc = Sentry/Moon Knight: Sunrise & Knightfall)
12. The Uncanny X-men (Featuring an X-factor back-up...PAD on both stories)
13. The Fantastic Four with an Inhumans Back-up story.
14. The Mighty Thor with an Eternals Back-up Story
15. The Punisher with a Moon Knight Back-Up Story
16. The Avengers (Every issue is double sized. Rotating cast...overseen by Nick Fury...the Vision Coordinates them & delegates the targets based on each heroes skill set. Takes place after Norman Osborn is taken down. A collective squad of New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, Ares, The Sentry & Marvel Boy
17. The Thunderbolts...Daken, Venom, Bullseye, & Moonstone join the current cast, who are secretly being run by Norman Osborn.
18. Iron Man (With a War-Machine Back-up story)
19. The Immortal Weapons (Featuring Iron Fist & Co. with a Shang-Chi Back-up)
20. The Initiative Double-sized, Featuring all of the up & comers: Gravity, the Young Avengers, etc., with a Runaways back-up

I think by making so many things double sized, more than once a month, or by including back-ups, you are kind of deafeating the purpose of the thread to "trim the MU line to 20 titles".

20 titles per month x 22 pages per title x 12 titles per year = 5280 pages.

Maybe if people want to add back-ups or make them more regularly than once a month or increase the size they should sacrifice some titles to meet a page count limit?

I only recently got into comics and I think the idea of back-ups etc is quite intimidating. I think the simpler the MU is the easier it would be to get into. My purpose in trimming the line would be to make the MU more accessable, rather than get as much in each pamphlet as possible.

[rolacka]

Daredevil
Captain America
Amazing Spider-Man
Invincible Iron Man
Thor
Incredible Hulk
Immortal Iron Fist
Wolverine
Punisher
Ghost Rider
Spider-Woman
Uncanny X-Men
Fantastic Four
Thunderbolts
Agents of Atlas
Guardians of the Galaxy
New Avengers or Mighty Avengers
Dark Reign/Dark Avengers
Captain Britain & MI13
Nick Fury & Secret Warriors

Good cross-section of the MU. What would you drop for a new series etc?



To everyone:

When I looked at this thread, it seems lots of people just listed a list but there was no discussion. When I put my list I was hoping people would discuss things a little more, I want to know why you have chosen the list you did. Is it just your favourate titles? Do you think Marel would make enough money (a lot of people are chosing many lower-selling or cancelled titles)?

[pharoahe22]

I think by making so many things double sized, more than once a month, or by including back-ups, you are kind of deafeating the purpose of the thread to "trim the MU line to 20 titles".

20 titles per month x 22 pages per title x 12 titles per year = 5280 pages.

Maybe if people want to add back-ups or make them more regularly than once a month or increase the size they should sacrifice some titles to meet a page count limit?

I only recently got into comics and I think the idea of back-ups etc is quite intimidating. I think the simpler the MU is the easier it would be to get into. My purpose in trimming the line would be to make the MU more accessable, rather than get as much in each pamphlet as possible.

Yes but by trimming the line to 20 books with no back-ups, you kind of cheat some of the fans out of books that they Love. For instance, you know for a fact that if Marvel was going to do this in real life, you would have to have all of the staple characters with books. For example:

1. Wolverine
2. Spiderman
3. Captain America
4. Iron Man
5. Hulk
6. Thor
7. Punisher
8. Fantastic Four
9. Uncanny X-men
10. Daredevil
11. The Avengers (In some Format)

At the very least you have to have those 11 books. So where does that leave the cult favorites? You have 9 slots left, and you have books like these that receive very high praise;

X-force
X-factor
X-men Legacy
Astonishing X-men
Guardians of the Galaxy
Nova
Immortal Iron Fist
Dark Wolverine
Agents of Atlas
Captain Britain & MI:13
Secret Warriors
Moon Knight
Incredible Hercules
Dark Avengers
Mighty Avengers
Thunderbolts
Spiderwoman
New Mutants
Wolverine: First Class
X-Men: First Class

etc. etc., so with only 9 slots left for your 20, you have to figure out which of the cult favorites are just going to get cut, in which everyone loses. That's why, in my opinion, if you were going to have an Incredible Hulk book, what would be the harm of including a Slott-written She-Hulk book as a back up for her fans? The way I did it, I basicaly covered everyone in the MU, so everyone has a place to check out their favorite characters. For instance, If I could only put out 20 books, I don't know if I'd be able to put out Moon Knight, which is one of my favorite books, so since he's an urban Vigilante, why not put him in a back-up story of a more popular Vigilante like the Punisher? I don't see the harm in that. Agents of Atlas basically just got cancelled. I liked the book and still wanted to follow the story. Luckily, in real life, it's being featured as a back-up story in Incredible Hercules. From a sales stand-point, people that were buying Agents of Atlas before it was cancelled might now go and pick up Hercules to see the Agents Story. I can't see why any fan wouldn't want to get an extra story in a book that they're reading. Less isn't always better. Marvel is successful because they have a wide variety. They have a stable of 5,000 characters...if I was in charge, I'd use as many as possible, and give the fans what they want, and not just send popular books and characters into Limbo.

[Global Honored]

Good cross-section of the MU. What would you drop for a new series etc?



To everyone:

When I looked at this thread, it seems lots of people just listed a list but there was no discussion. When I put my list I was hoping people would discuss things a little more, I want to know why you have chosen the list you did. Is it just your favourate titles? Do you think Marvel would make enough money (a lot of people are chosing many lower-selling or cancelled titles)?

I think you would have to drop one of the team books, based on sales likely.
As much as I enjoy the Agents of Atlas, Guardians of the Galaxy, Secret Warriors and MI13 books, they would be first up on the chopping block. Hopefully the characters themselves would not be lost and perhaps used in the titles that would come in as replacement. DnA could just continue expanding the Cosmic U in different series with Nova, Darkhawk, Immortals, Silver Surfer, Gladiator and events such as Annihilation and War of Kings to keep the Comsic story continuing without one specific monthly title. Plus there are a lot of Mutants that would sell books and I am sure that Cable and Deadpool would be able to carry titles as well as other X-Men offshoots. Though now that Disney is in the mix and the films are successful, I see no need for reducing the line to 20 titles.

[rolacka]

Yes but by trimming the line to 20 books with no back-ups, you kind of cheat some of the fans out of books that they Love. For instance, you know for a fact that if Marvel was going to do this in real life, you would have to have all of the staple characters with books. For example:

1. Wolverine
2. Spiderman
3. Captain America
4. Iron Man
5. Hulk
6. Thor
7. Punisher
8. Fantastic Four
9. Uncanny X-men
10. Daredevil
11. The Avengers (In some Format)

At the very least you have to have those 11 books. So where does that leave the cult favorites? You have 9 slots left, and you have books like these that receive very high praise;

X-force
X-factor
X-men Legacy
Astonishing X-men
Guardians of the Galaxy
Nova
Immortal Iron Fist
Dark Wolverine
Agents of Atlas
Captain Britain & MI:13
Secret Warriors
Moon Knight
Incredible Hercules
Dark Avengers
Mighty Avengers
Thunderbolts
Spiderwoman
New Mutants
Wolverine: First Class
X-Men: First Class

etc. etc., so with only 9 slots left for your 20, you have to figure out which of the cult favorites are just going to get cut, in which everyone loses. That's why, in my opinion, if you were going to have an Incredible Hulk book, what would be the harm of including a Slott-written She-Hulk book as a back up for her fans? The way I did it, I basicaly covered everyone in the MU, so everyone has a place to check out their favorite characters. For instance, If I could only put out 20 books, I don't know if I'd be able to put out Moon Knight, which is one of my favorite books, so since he's an urban Vigilante, why not put him in a back-up story of a more popular Vigilante like the Punisher? I don't see the harm in that. Agents of Atlas basically just got cancelled. I liked the book and still wanted to follow the story. Luckily, in real life, it's being featured as a back-up story in Incredible Hercules. From a sales stand-point, people that were buying Agents of Atlas before it was cancelled might now go and pick up Hercules to see the Agents Story. I can't see why any fan wouldn't want to get an extra story in a book that they're reading. Less isn't always better. Marvel is successful because they have a wide variety. They have a stable of 5,000 characters...if I was in charge, I'd use as many as possible, and give the fans what they want, and not just send popular books and characters into Limbo.

In real life, fair enough, but the title (and so purpose) of this individual thread was to trim the MU down, obviously this is not what marvel would really do, and they don't.

However, I completely disagree that everybody loses by trimming down but everybody is a winner by having lots of titles. The number of titles that marvel has at the moment is, I think, damaging to all the other titles. They all lose sales because nobody can afford to pick up more. People would have to drop a title they are enjoying to try an extra title.

Making series more regular (for example Amazing Spider-man) sees a drop in sales, presumably because people want three separate series rather than one, and back-ups skew why people are buying a title, as well as removing choice from the consumer (people who like Incredible Hercules but not Agents of Atlas are going to have to pay more for what they were getting anway). If there were only twenty unique titles, you would have to pay fewer creators and sell higher volumes of every comic, which could potentially bring the price down (well, stop future price increases).

If you can't include Moon Knight because you already have Punisher and Daredevil as urban vigilantes, does that not suggest the publisher has too many projects competing with, and taking sales from, eachother? If the only option was Punisher they only have to pay one artist and writer, rather than two. I think every title should have its own unique selling point.

My list had three spots with potential to take these cult characters and let them be focussed on a few at a time, and I think it might be better for the publishers to do something like that. I agree it is very hard to choose only 20 and I would have loved to have 25 titles rather than 20 to take the pressure off.

Beyond that, I think that having back-ups, or more than once a month (as it would be even harder to keep a stable art team) turns off potential new readers and the sheer volume of comics is one of the biggest obstacles for new readers. By trimming the line down to a smaller number of titles that don't have crossovers and each tells its own story (citing Astonishing X-men and Ultimates) I think there is a lot more scope to encourage and advertise to the movie audience etc.

Thanks for responding btw, I understand your point of view, but I just think there is such a thing as too much.

Edit: I don't think I emphasised that my list was for the MU, not marvel as a publisher. They could start a cosmic universe, which is not in the MU, as well as the MAX/ Marvel Knights line.

Edit: Impractical in real life but in this scenario some of the unused characters in limbo could be sold to other publishers?

[rolacka]

I think you would have to drop one of the team books, based on sales likely.
As much as I enjoy the Agents of Atlas, Guardians of the Galaxy, Secret Warriors and MI13 books, they would be first up on the chopping block. Hopefully the characters themselves would not be lost and perhaps used in the titles that would come in as replacement. DnA could just continue expanding the Cosmic U in different series with Nova, Darkhawk, Immortals, Silver Surfer, Gladiator and events such as Annihilation and War of Kings to keep the Comsic story continuing without one specific monthly title. Plus there are a lot of Mutants that would sell books and I am sure that Cable and Deadpool would be able to carry titles as well as other X-Men offshoots. Though now that Disney is in the mix and the films are successful, I see no need for reducing the line to 20 titles.

I enjoyed Captain Britain and MI:13 (though think it should have just been called MI:13) but when I looked at its sales, they were dreadful, and they declined a lot for several months so people were definately dropping it as well as retailers over-ordering so I couldn't put that on my list.

I was looking at trying to get into all the cosmic stuff, but I am really offput by how spread out over several titles it seems to be. I would be far more willing to try it if it was consolidated into one or two titles. (There is quite a bit on marvel's Digital Comics Unlimted, so I will definately try it soon).

When I was making my list, I thought about series like Lost or Heroes, they tell one story, but with several characters who can be in different comics. I think that comics should consolidate their stories into a single title more than they do, in order to be more accessible.

[Aziz Abbasi]

1. Amazing Spider-Man
2. Black Panther
3. Captain America
4. DareDevil
5. Deadpool
6. Fantastic Four
7. Immortal Iron Fist
8. Incredible Hulk
9. Incredible Hercules
10. Invincible Iron Man
11. Mighty Avengers
12. Mighty Thor
13. New-Gen
14. Punisher
15. Gurdians of The Galaxy
16. Thunderbolts
17. Vengeance of Moon Knight
18. Uncanny X-Men
19. Runaways
20. Dark Avengers

[Evil-Spidey]

1.Captain America
2.The Mighty Thor
3.Invincible Iron Man
4.Incredible Hulk
5.Amazing Spider-Man
6.Daredevil
7.Nova
8.Deadpool
9.Ghost Rider
10.Silver Surfer
11.Wolverine
12.Cable
13.X-Man
14.Avengers
15.Fantastic Four
16.Thunderbolts
17.Defenders
18.Uncanny X-Men
19.X-Force
20.X-Factor

[pharoahe22]

In real life, fair enough, but the title (and so purpose) of this individual thread was to trim the MU down, obviously this is not what marvel would really do, and they don't.

However, I completely disagree that everybody loses by trimming down but everybody is a winner by having lots of titles. The number of titles that marvel has at the moment is, I think, damaging to all the other titles. They all lose sales because nobody can afford to pick up more. People would have to drop a title they are enjoying to try an extra title.

Making series more regular (for example Amazing Spider-man) sees a drop in sales, presumably because people want three separate series rather than one, and back-ups skew why people are buying a title, as well as removing choice from the consumer (people who like Incredible Hercules but not Agents of Atlas are going to have to pay more for what they were getting anway). If there were only twenty unique titles, you would have to pay fewer creators and sell higher volumes of every comic, which could potentially bring the price down (well, stop future price increases).

If you can't include Moon Knight because you already have Punisher and Daredevil as urban vigilantes, does that not suggest the publisher has too many projects competing with, and taking sales from, eachother? If the only option was Punisher they only have to pay one artist and writer, rather than two. I think every title should have its own unique selling point.

My list had three spots with potential to take these cult characters and let them be focussed on a few at a time, and I think it might be better for the publishers to do something like that. I agree it is very hard to choose only 20 and I would have loved to have 25 titles rather than 20 to take the pressure off.

Beyond that, I think that having back-ups, or more than once a month (as it would be even harder to keep a stable art team) turns off potential new readers and the sheer volume of comics is one of the biggest obstacles for new readers. By trimming the line down to a smaller number of titles that don't have crossovers and each tells its own story (citing Astonishing X-men and Ultimates) I think there is a lot more scope to encourage and advertise to the movie audience etc.

Thanks for responding btw, I understand your point of view, but I just think there is such a thing as too much.

Edit: I don't think I emphasised that my list was for the MU, not marvel as a publisher. They could start a cosmic universe, which is not in the MU, as well as the MAX/ Marvel Knights line.

Edit: Impractical in real life but in this scenario some of the unused characters in limbo could be sold to other publishers?

See the thing about it is though, not everyone has the same tastes. Even if you're just talking about the vigilantes, the Punisher, Moon Knight and Daredevil are very very different characters. I was picking up Moon Knight, but I wasn't picking up Daredevil (Until #500) and I wasn't picking up the Punisher because I liked Moon Knight's story better. Some people like all 3 books...some people like a few but not all. If Moon Knight was dropped because of a 20 book limit, based on what you were saying, i'd be fresh out of luck, because I'd only have Punisher & Daredevil to choose from, which may or may not be my cup of Tea.

You said:

"The number of titles that marvel has at the moment is, I think, damaging to all the other titles. They all lose sales because nobody can afford to pick up more. People would have to drop a title they are enjoying to try an extra title."

I don't agree with that and I'll tell you why: If you cut down the number to 20 books, and I was losing some of the ones I was reading previously, I might not necessarily just start picking up one of the 20 books I wasn't reading before just because a couple of my other titles got dropped. I might just start reading less books. Like if Iron Fist was nudged out because Marvel had to push out an FF book, I'm not automatically just going to start picking up FF. People buy what they want. There are a bunch of Dark Reign Minis, but I'm not picking up Dark Reign: The Zodiac because it's not my cup of tea. That doesn't mean it's not somebody else's. I think the real problem when it comes down to making decisions on what books to pick up and not to pick up is the rising cost of comics. Couple that with the fact that there are so many quality books out, it makes for some decisions based on your budget...but I don't think that has anything to do with Marvel having too many books. It has to do with your specific budget. For some people, that's not a problem. For other people, it is. Besides, there aren't too many Marvel books that are so essential to read that you have to read them to have any idea of what's going on. You just buy what you want based on your taste, and how much money you have to spend.

As far as there being too many books and it not being accessible to new readers, what if you do cut it down to 20 books, but a person isn't a fan of what they're seeing in Spiderman, X-men, Wolverine, Captain America, etc. They don't have as many other options do they? What if they like quirkier, off-beat books? What if a reader wasn't really into the big super-heroics, but wanted a book like Models, Inc? There's no way a book like that would even see the light of day if you could only put out 20. I think books being easily accessible is solely on the writer. For people that are new to comics, usually they start out with a book like Spider-man or Wolverine because they know them from the movies and stuff, and they gradually start picking up more. I think it's up to a writer to make it so that if someone only knows about Spiderman & Wolverine, but picks up another book in the store to look it over, everything isn't confusing to them. I don't think that has anything to do with the volume. If you only know about Spiderman and Wolverine, and you're looking to pick up new books, what usually happens is you check for other books with Wolverine and Spiderman in it...and that gives you the jump off point. At least that's what I did. People either do that, or they just flip through all of the other books at the stand, and see what catches their eye. It's up to the writer to make them want to come back to the story.

[lobsterj]

1 Fantastic Four
2 Iron Man
3 Incredible Hulk
4 Amazing Spider-man (x3)
5 Thor
6 Astonishing X-men
7 Uncanny X-men
8 Daredevil
9 Wolverine (x3)
10 Captain America
11 Deadpool
12 Mighty Avengers
13 New Avengers
14 Young Avengers
15 Thunderbolts
16 X-Factor
17 Runaways
18 Avengers Initiative
19 Punisher
20 Guardians of the Galaxy

[rolacka]

See the thing about it is though, not everyone has the same tastes. Even if you're just talking about the vigilantes, the Punisher, Moon Knight and Daredevil are very very different characters. I was picking up Moon Knight, but I wasn't picking up Daredevil (Until #500) and I wasn't picking up the Punisher because I liked Moon Knight's story better. Some people like all 3 books...some people like a few but not all. If Moon Knight was dropped because of a 20 book limit, based on what you were saying, i'd be fresh out of luck, because I'd only have Punisher & Daredevil to choose from, which may or may not be my cup of Tea.

You said:

"The number of titles that marvel has at the moment is, I think, damaging to all the other titles. They all lose sales because nobody can afford to pick up more. People would have to drop a title they are enjoying to try an extra title."

I don't agree with that and I'll tell you why: If you cut down the number to 20 books, and I was losing some of the ones I was reading previously, I might not necessarily just start picking up one of the 20 books I wasn't reading before just because a couple of my other titles got dropped. I might just start reading less books. Like if Iron Fist was nudged out because Marvel had to push out an FF book, I'm not automatically just going to start picking up FF. People buy what they want. There are a bunch of Dark Reign Minis, but I'm not picking up Dark Reign: The Zodiac because it's not my cup of tea. That doesn't mean it's not somebody else's. I think the real problem when it comes down to making decisions on what books to pick up and not to pick up is the rising cost of comics. Couple that with the fact that there are so many quality books out, it makes for some decisions based on your budget...but I don't think that has anything to do with Marvel having too many books. It has to do with your specific budget. For some people, that's not a problem. For other people, it is. Besides, there aren't too many Marvel books that are so essential to read that you have to read them to have any idea of what's going on. You just buy what you want based on your taste, and how much money you have to spend.

As far as there being too many books and it not being accessible to new readers, what if you do cut it down to 20 books, but a person isn't a fan of what they're seeing in Spiderman, X-men, Wolverine, Captain America, etc. They don't have as many other options do they? What if they like quirkier, off-beat books? What if a reader wasn't really into the big super-heroics, but wanted a book like Models, Inc? There's no way a book like that would even see the light of day if you could only put out 20. I think books being easily accessible is solely on the writer. For people that are new to comics, usually they start out with a book like Spider-man or Wolverine because they know them from the movies and stuff, and they gradually start picking up more. I think it's up to a writer to make it so that if someone only knows about Spiderman & Wolverine, but picks up another book in the store to look it over, everything isn't confusing to them. I don't think that has anything to do with the volume. If you only know about Spiderman and Wolverine, and you're looking to pick up new books, what usually happens is you check for other books with Wolverine and Spiderman in it...and that gives you the jump off point. At least that's what I did. People either do that, or they just flip through all of the other books at the stand, and see what catches their eye. It's up to the writer to make them want to come back to the story.

I would disagree that Punisher, Moon Knight and Daredevil don't hurt eachothers sales, they are all aiming at very similar audiences. You said it yourself: "I was picking up Moon Knight, but I wasn't picking up Daredevil (Until #500) and I wasn't picking up the Punisher because I liked Moon Knight's story better. " The reason you cite for not picking up Punisher is that you prefer Moon Knight. I accept that people have different tastes but with the number of titles Marvel produces I think it is beyond the capability of a single publisher to cater for such specific tastes.

I'm not saying people would immediately pick up other titles to replace cancelled titles, but over a long period people would. Certainly if a new title started (ie Vengence of the Moon Knight, Spider-woman and SWORD are all starting this month) people would be more willing to try it out if they had not already maximised their budget. How many people can afford to pick up three new series to try?

"Couple that with the fact that there are so many quality books out, it makes for some decisions based on your budget...but I don't think that has anything to do with Marvel having too many books." I 100% agree there are lots of quality books out there, but that is because marvel has a lot of books. Most people will easily be able to find enough titles to maximise their budgets so will not be able to afford to try new titles.

I think a new fan is very unlikely to try marvel if they don't want a reasonably major Marvel superhero. I personally think 26 titles would be good (each put into one trade a year: so every week either 1 hardcover or TPB would out) and give the right level between major and minor heroes, but the thread specified 20. My point was that back-ups would be offputting (and awkward to put into trade form) and having double sized issues or twice monthly etc would further compromise trying to keep a stable art and writing team. Besides, having lots in one package would dilute the choice in being able to pick and choose. I think it would be better to have Moon Knight for a couple of years, then Punisher for a couple of years. It would be simpler and allows fewer creators to be working at one time, greater editorial oversight, fewer continuity errors etc.

I agree it is down to a writer to make a title accessible, but a lot of what I think is offputting comes from editorial and marketing decisions. I got into comics through Ultimates, Astonishing X-men, Daredevil and Captain America in that order and what appealed to me about the Ultimates was that it is in its own universe. Astonishing X-men was basically on its own and removed from the rest of the X-universe. I am still put off from most X-titles because of the singular story and potential crossovers etc. If there was a single X-men title (which astonishing basically was) it would be far easier to get into.

Something like models wouldn't happen in the marvel universe no, because Marvel is essentially a super-hero universe. There are other publishers, as well as potentially other imprints marvel could start for things like that. The first issue sold less than 20,000 issues I believe, so there isn't a big enough market for it.

[RolandJP]

Cool list, how many of those do you follow and how many do you just think should be published because they always have been?

I don't think I would support an ongoing title without a strong focus (What if, marvel premiere). I just don't think either of them would sell very much, certainly not for a long period of time.

You have 2 Avengers books and 3 X-books (if you consider X-factor to be an X-book. I think of it more as a title about mutants). How would they differentiate themselves from each other, or would they not?

I'm asking because I bought loads of modern Avengers stuff off ebay and enjoyed New Avengers but disliked Mighty (I liked the secret invasion tie-ins though). I thought that they were not telling different enough stories. I was happy for the Avengers teams to be split, but I think it would be better to keep them both in one title. All the appearances of the Mighty Avengers in New Avengers were good, I think there should have been more of them. The way they split some stories into several series seems odd to me. It would be like watching the first series of Heroes, but each character's story being a different show. It would still make sense, but there is less scope to introduce new characters etc.

If people don't mind, could they post a few comments to expand on their choices, maybe comment on other peoples?

Everything on my list I read. As far as other Marvel books such as Runaways, Avengers initiative, New Mutants, War machine and such, I wait for those in trade or I'm sorry to say when I buy them when they fall into the dollar bin. I catch up on full runs- That's how I completed these;

Avengers/Invaders limited series
New Warriors
Incredible Hercules
Dark Reign one shots
Thor
I even picked up the first 12 issues of Spiderman: Brand New day :eek:
etc.


Mind you,I wouldnt want Marvel to cut back but so much. Dominic Fortune, Punisher Max series, Destroyer, The Hood, and other books should be published.

[pharoahe22]

I would disagree that Punisher, Moon Knight and Daredevil don't hurt eachothers sales, they are all aiming at very similar audiences. You said it yourself: "I was picking up Moon Knight, but I wasn't picking up Daredevil (Until #500) and I wasn't picking up the Punisher because I liked Moon Knight's story better. " The reason you cite for not picking up Punisher is that you prefer Moon Knight. I accept that people have different tastes but with the number of titles Marvel produces I think it is beyond the capability of a single publisher to cater for such specific tastes.

I'm not saying people would immediately pick up other titles to replace cancelled titles, but over a long period people would. Certainly if a new title started (ie Vengence of the Moon Knight, Spider-woman and SWORD are all starting this month) people would be more willing to try it out if they had not already maximised their budget. How many people can afford to pick up three new series to try?

"Couple that with the fact that there are so many quality books out, it makes for some decisions based on your budget...but I don't think that has anything to do with Marvel having too many books." I 100% agree there are lots of quality books out there, but that is because marvel has a lot of books. Most people will easily be able to find enough titles to maximise their budgets so will not be able to afford to try new titles.

I think a new fan is very unlikely to try marvel if they don't want a reasonably major Marvel superhero. I personally think 26 titles would be good (each put into one trade a year: so every week either 1 hardcover or TPB would out) and give the right level between major and minor heroes, but the thread specified 20. My point was that back-ups would be offputting (and awkward to put into trade form) and having double sized issues or twice monthly etc would further compromise trying to keep a stable art and writing team. Besides, having lots in one package would dilute the choice in being able to pick and choose. I think it would be better to have Moon Knight for a couple of years, then Punisher for a couple of years. It would be simpler and allows fewer creators to be working at one time, greater editorial oversight, fewer continuity errors etc.

I agree it is down to a writer to make a title accessible, but a lot of what I think is offputting comes from editorial and marketing decisions. I got into comics through Ultimates, Astonishing X-men, Daredevil and Captain America in that order and what appealed to me about the Ultimates was that it is in its own universe. Astonishing X-men was basically on its own and removed from the rest of the X-universe. I am still put off from most X-titles because of the singular story and potential crossovers etc. If there was a single X-men title (which astonishing basically was) it would be far easier to get into.

Something like models wouldn't happen in the marvel universe no, because Marvel is essentially a super-hero universe. There are other publishers, as well as potentially other imprints marvel could start for things like that. The first issue sold less than 20,000 issues I believe, so there isn't a big enough market for it.

No actually with the Punisher, Moon Knight, and Daredevil, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I like all of them pretty equally as heroes...it's just that Moon knight's story/art was exciting me the most. I had picked up DD in the stores a couple of times, but I never had anything that excited me enough to buy it until I picked up issue #500. I also picked up the 1st too isses of the new Punisher series featuring the Sentry, because that was exciting for me, but some of the other issues weren't as much. The writing is good, it just didn't have me to the point where I was super-excited for the week when the book came out. So it wasn't really a competition thing. if all three books were where I wanted them to be, I would've purchased all three books. And that's what I'm saying. My point is that The Punisher, Daredevil, and Moon Knight books don't compete with each other any more than a Daredevil book competes with Mighty Avengers, etc. At least for me, I didn't just say "Well I have 1 vigilante book, so that's what i'm getting for that genre". Most people don't do that. Most people just buy what they like, so those books don't compete with each other any more than they do with any other book.

Also, what most people do as far as their budget is concerned, if they want to try new books, there's usually one or two books on there list that have been slacking, so they test the new book out in the store...and if one of the books on their pull list hasn't been delivering for a while, they switch. Besides that, if they want to try out new books, a lot of people also wait for the trade. To me there are plenty of options out there that don't involve cutting the line down.

Btw, what's the problem with potential crossovers? Is it because of the possibility of going into other titles that you don't have the budget for or unfamiliarity with the other characters, or...?

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

1. Amazing Spider-Man (Thrice Monthly)
2. Spectacular Spider-Man
3. Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man
4. Astonishing X-Men
5. Cosmic Marvel
6. Captain America
7. Daredevil
8. Young Avengers (Avengers: The Initiative Backup)
9. Fantastic Four
10. Iron Man
11. Mighty Avengers
12. Ms. Marvel
13. New Avengers
14. Spider-Woman
15. Thor
16. Uncanny X-Men
17. X-Men
18. X-Factor
19. Incredible Hulk
20. Marvel Events (CW/SI)

[rolacka]

No actually with the Punisher, Moon Knight, and Daredevil, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I like all of them pretty equally as heroes...it's just that Moon knight's story/art was exciting me the most. I had picked up DD in the stores a couple of times, but I never had anything that excited me enough to buy it until I picked up issue #500. I also picked up the 1st too isses of the new Punisher series featuring the Sentry, because that was exciting for me, but some of the other issues weren't as much. The writing is good, it just didn't have me to the point where I was super-excited for the week when the book came out. So it wasn't really a competition thing. if all three books were where I wanted them to be, I would've purchased all three books. And that's what I'm saying. My point is that The Punisher, Daredevil, and Moon Knight books don't compete with each other any more than a Daredevil book competes with Mighty Avengers, etc. At least for me, I didn't just say "Well I have 1 vigilante book, so that's what i'm getting for that genre". Most people don't do that. Most people just buy what they like, so those books don't compete with each other any more than they do with any other book.

Also, what most people do as far as their budget is concerned, if they want to try new books, there's usually one or two books on there list that have been slacking, so they test the new book out in the store...and if one of the books on their pull list hasn't been delivering for a while, they switch. Besides that, if they want to try out new books, a lot of people also wait for the trade. To me there are plenty of options out there that don't involve cutting the line down.

Btw, what's the problem with potential crossovers? Is it because of the possibility of going into other titles that you don't have the budget for or unfamiliarity with the other characters, or...?

I can see from your signature you get a lot more titles than me around 20 from marvel, can't see how much you get from other publishers. I get a lot less and from next year I am limiting myself to 10 current ongoings + about 60 issues worth of limited series/completed runs (all in trade form) which will be about £300 or £25 a month (approx $35 a month) so it is really different for me.

I don't want to replicate things and want to get as much quality and variety as possible, so I absolutely think about things like genre. That doesn't automatically mean I wouldn't get both Daredevil and Punisher or whatever, but it does factor into it. For example I am getting Scalped, Daredevil and Criminal so am unlikely to add Punisher Max by Aaron to my list, even though it looks pretty good; I would rather get something totally different. There is no slack in my planned purchases.

I suppose my point is that with fewer titles, there are more creators going for fewer marvel series, so you are more likely to get brilliant art and top notch writing on every series. The editors would have an easier job for a start, as well as more marketing and advertising time available. Mini-series effect this too (maybe more so).

I don't like potential crossovers because of the disruption to the regular title. I have no problem with events or their tie-ins (most of the civil war/secret invasion ones I have read were good) but crossovers seem to be marketing gimics. The story of Messiah complex was fine in itself, but I didn't like a couple of the artists. I suppose the budget thing plays into it a bit. I wasn't reading X-factor at the time I read Messiah Complex but have caught up in trades now (best thing I have read on marvel's website btw - really enjoyed it), but if I was only reading X-factor I would have been annoyed I had to get maybe 9? extra issues to understand X-factor's role, and considering some major things happen to a couple of cast members, it would be pretty annoying to either skip it or shell out a lot more. Reading reviews of some crossovers it seems most of them should be told in one title with the others as guest stars, rather than a crossover (eg Thunderbolts in Deadpool's book rather than a crossover). Also I am a big fan of creative runs so I don't want to read any issues written by Daniel Way to undertand the Thunderbolts run I am reading. I think I should be able to read a comic from the issue a writer starts a series to the issue he leaves and nothing else and it make perfect sense.

[theXfactor]

My biggest problem with the current line is the lack of focus. Take Wolverine for example, I know he sells and all, but having him show up in 5 books regularly kind of gives the impression that nothing important will ever happen in any of the series he appears in. It takes away the importance of his appearances.

[Hypestyle]

expand the MU line, 10 more titles..

[YouthofToday]

expand the MU line, 10 more titles..

Newer New Avengers
Mightiest Avengers
Avengers: Legacy
Uncanny Avengers
Wolverine: Avenger
Secret Avengers
Avengers Team Up
Cosmic Avengers
Deadpool and the Avengers
Avenger Corps

[Nyssane]

Avengers
Captain America
Iron Man
Incredible Hulk
Mighty Thor
Amazing Spider-Man
Daredevil
Fantastic Four
Uncanny X-Men
Wolverine
X-Force
X-Men: Legacy
Thunderbolts
Cable & Deadpool
She-Hulk
Iron Fist
Moon Knight
Hercules
Punisher
Guardians of the Galaxy

[janthonyh]

I agree that there are too many titles being produced, but I also like the fact that there is so many good books to choose from. I would prefer for more artists/writers to stay on books for extended periods. Right now I'm having to make some tough choices about adding new series. I want to add Spider-Woman and Haunt, but I have to cut somewhere. I wish I could just buy everything I wanted, but my budget just won't allow.

[rolacka]

My biggest problem with the current line is the lack of focus. Take Wolverine for example, I know he sells and all, but having him show up in 5 books regularly kind of gives the impression that nothing important will ever happen in any of the series he appears in. It takes away the importance of his appearances.

I agree with you that he is overused. I think having multiple Wolverine series dilutes him, as well as chronology not working (especially after the X-men moved to San Fransisco). However, in New Avengers Wolverine does not have a particularly big role, same in Whedon's Astonishing X-men. He is the outsider etc in both and I do think he works well in that role, so I suppose it is a balance they have to walk. I think he can be the outsider in X-men and regular recurring guest in Avengers in addition to a single title without beingg overused.

I think multiple Wolverine and Spider-man titles are odd. Sure they are popular, but they are also characters that people are likely to get into comics with, so these two should have one monthly comic, each with the best creative teams possible to attract (simplicity, focus, and accessability) and keep new readers (good team).

I didn't find trimming the line down to 20 as hard as some people would because these two only need one title. There are lots of great series which are focussed and stand-alone, but I think there is a perception of lack of focus, which is just as bad.

[rolacka]

I agree that there are too many titles being produced, but I also like the fact that there is so many good books to choose from. I would prefer for more artists/writers to stay on books for extended periods. Right now I'm having to make some tough choices about adding new series. I want to add Spider-Woman and Haunt, but I have to cut somewhere. I wish I could just buy everything I wanted, but my budget just won't allow.

As a fan I completely agree that I love the choice, but I think the abundance of choice can also be off-putting. I am wary about getting the X, Avenger or Cosmic titles because the franchises have so many titles and I am happy with the more low-key characters that I know.

I 100% agree that a single writer/artist should stay on books longer. I don't think there is much of a problem with writers; in most cases they only leave because they want to or the series is cancelled. Artists, on the other hand, are too unstable and fill-ins (even if the fill-in is just as good as the main) are always disappointing to me. I can't think of a good solution though, short of cutting the page count of a comic or having fewer than 12 issues a year.

[rolacka]

1. Amazing Spider-Man (Thrice Monthly)
2. Spectacular Spider-Man
3. Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man
4. Astonishing X-Men
5. Cosmic Marvel
6. Captain America
7. Daredevil
8. Young Avengers (Avengers: The Initiative Backup)
9. Fantastic Four
10. Iron Man
11. Mighty Avengers
12. Ms. Marvel
13. New Avengers
14. Spider-Woman
15. Thor
16. Uncanny X-Men
17. X-Men
18. X-Factor
19. Incredible Hulk
20. Marvel Events (CW/SI)

I saw a couple of people put events into an ongoing. Wouldn't that kind of defeat the point of an event attracting sales? Wouldn't it be better to choose a title (maybe New Avenegers) which was where every event took place?


When people just list their 20 with no comment or explanation and don't comment on other peoples, this is kind of a boring thread. If people list something could they have a bit of comment or something to say to keep the thread interesting? (eg why you think New and Mighty Avengers should be merged/kept separate or why you have two spider-man titles; neither titled amazing). Thanks

[rolacka]

Everything on my list I read. As far as other Marvel books such as Runaways, Avengers initiative, New Mutants, War machine and such, I wait for those in trade or I'm sorry to say when I buy them when they fall into the dollar bin. I catch up on full runs- That's how I completed these;

Avengers/Invaders limited series
New Warriors
Incredible Hercules
Dark Reign one shots
Thor
I even picked up the first 12 issues of Spiderman: Brand New day :eek:
etc.


Mind you,I wouldnt want Marvel to cut back but so much. Dominic Fortune, Punisher Max series, Destroyer, The Hood, and other books should be published.

That's a lot of comics to buy/read. If you aren't able/willing to buy everything you want to read at full price do you not think Marvel could stand to shed a few titles that aren't delivering anything particularly unique?

Most of the comics you list at the end are Max titles are they? Not really super-hero or set in the MU (except The Hood is Max but set MU).

My understanding of the thread is to cut the MU down, not marvel as a publisher.

Edit: Also you say other titles you trade-wait. Do you not consider those titles you collect? I'm interested because I started with trades, tried getting floppies for a few months and have moved back to trades with incognito and brubaker's daredevil ending. I just prefer to get a bigger chunk of the story at once, being able to put it in a bookshelf etc etc. The price isn't all that different and it doesn't feel at all to me like I am not collecting a series if I get it in trade.


A question to everybody:

How would mini-series work in your lists? Would they exist? I would have a few of my twenty spots reserved for relatively short runs by creators (no more than 36 issues, most around 12 - 18) as well as a handful of minis a year (6 - 8 I think) which would come out more regularly than monthly (twice monthly or even weekly if possible).

[Brother Justin Crowe]

expand the MU line, 10 more titles..


I'd probably just bring back cancelled series...

1.) Immortal Iron Fist
2.) Exiles
3.) Cable & Deadpool (replacing all the other related books Marvel publishes, ships twice monthly)
4.) Slingers
5.) Captain Britain and MI:13
6.) Alpha Flight (There IS another copy of the "dead" team running around...)
7.) The Invaders (Hey, they're all coming back anyway!)
8.) Silver Surfer
9.) X-Man
10.) Generation X

[Aziz Abbasi]

I admit this is quite a difficult task
First I was unable to think more than 16, then I saw all the replies and remembered the MAX titles thinking they are too many to be trimmed down to twenty

[Expletive Deleted]

First, you have to have Spider-Man. I'm allocating three slots, continuing with the thrice-monthly model.

1-3) Amazing Spider-Man

Then there are the franchises that need (and can sustain) one title apiece. Characters with substantial media tie-ins, and so on. Daredevil and Punisher are on the fringe of this category, but they're well-established enough to warrant inclusion. That said, they'd be the first to go if we needed to bump up a B-List property that's generating a lot of buzz (say, if Ant-Man via Pixar actually happens). In that case, they'd drop down to the B-List or mini-series tiers described below. All of these could potentially have backup features.

4) Invincible Iron Man
5) Captain America
6) Incredible Hulk
7) Fantastic Four
8) Wolverine
9) Daredevil
10) Punisher (MAX)

Then the franchises that need two or more. I'm thinking, given their prominence, we need at least two Avengers titles and two X-Men titles.

11) New Avengers
12) Mighty Avengers
13) Uncanny X-Men
14) Astonishing X-Men

That basically clears up the big names, so now I'll add in some flex space. We'll need a slot for event mini-series and two for the tangential minis and one-shots that tag along behind the big events (your Front Lines, spillover minis for franchises that aren't participating directly, and so on). When the events aren't in session, these can just be open mini-series slots for characters Marvel is trying to keep in the public eye. Trial ballons for ongoings, and so on.

15) Open slot for event mini-series
16) Open slot for event mini-series tie-ins
17) Open slot for event mini-series tie-ins

And, last but not least, we've got three spots left for the B-Listers. The idea here is that Marvel would treat these as ongoings, but would be ruthless regarding sales. If the numbers slip, the property gets relegated to mini-series fodder and a property that's had a recent successful mini-series gets bumped up. I'd start with Nova, Black Panther, and Deadpool. Waiting in the wings (and getting minis and backup serials) would be Ghost Rider, Hercules, Captain Britain, Iron Fist, Dr. Strange, Nick Fury, and so on. And, of course, if one of these series really takes off, it could move up to the regular ongoing tier.

18) Nova
19) Black Panther
20) Deadpool

I think that's workable.

[Willow616]

1. The Amazing Spider-Man (monthly and not devil spawned)
2. The Incredible Hulk (Original)
3. The Invincible Iron Man
4. The Mighty Thor
5. Captain America
6. Ms Marvel
7. The Avengers (one team!!!!)
8. Fantastic Four
9. The Uncanny X-Men
10. Guardians of the Galaxy
11. Nova
12. The Defenders
13. Doctor Strange
14. Captain Britain & MI13
15. Alpha Flight
16. Daredevil
17. Marvel Comics Presents
18 - 20 for minis

.............Ok so I've been a little naughty and put some cancelled titles in there but I'm just being honest.........

[pharoahe22]

My biggest problem with the current line is the lack of focus. Take Wolverine for example, I know he sells and all, but having him show up in 5 books regularly kind of gives the impression that nothing important will ever happen in any of the series he appears in. It takes away the importance of his appearances.

Wolverine's a special case...he's different from most other heroes, because you know he's probably not going to die. But, that doesn't mean that nothing important will ever happen in any of the series that he's in. Let's take a look at these series:

Have you been reading X-force? It's pretty much one disaster after the other. There's lots of important stuff going on...and it's currently headed in to Necrosha with the Techno-Organic dead mutants...like the mutant version of Blackest Night. In X-force so far, they've gone up against Bastion & the Purifiers, Stryfe & Apocalypse, currently Kimora & the Facility, & they have Selene & the techno-organic dead mutants coming up. There's a lot of important stuff going on in this book.

Wolverine: First Class is an Awesome throwback book. I don't know if you'd say anything important happens, since it's a First Class book placed in the past, so we know all off the characters will be ok, but so far, we've had Wolverine interacting with Daredevil & Elektra, Thor, Shang-Chi, & Captain Marvel's up-coming, so its a really fun book.

Wolverine: Weapon X: is one of the best books on the shelves period, not just because it's Wolverine and I like him. Jason Aaron really gets the character. In the first arc, we have Wolverine going up against & trying to shut down the new products of the Weapon X program...the Adamantium Men/Strikeforce X. Plenty of Action and Espionage, and Wolverine doing wheat he does best. He's essentially fighting 12 people like himself, and he's outmatched, so we see how resourceful he is...and he is definetly tested. Next arc is about Wolverine in a madhouse...as a patient. Should be interesting and fresh. We have some horror arcs, kung fu arcs, and outerspace arcs coming up...which is why this may be my favorite book.

The other two books are New Avengers & X-men...bother where he has a supporting role, but both books have important events, nonetheless: X-men just had the big fight with the Dark Avengers, and new Avengers are basically going up against Osborn & the Hood's Masters of Evil.

Wolverine: Origins seems like it's about to get ugly as Romulus has just made an appearance...the guy who's been torturing and using Logan his whole life, and it doesn't seem as if Wolverine can take him. So far in this story, Nuke, Cyber, WildChild, and Omega Red have all been killed. I'd say it has some importance lol.

So all in all while he does have a lot of appearances, I do the think that the majortiy of them are important. There aren't as many gratuitous ones anymore. And I actually think the timeline is fine. He may be in many different stories, but they're not really happening at the same time, even though the books are coming out in the same month. In the marvel Timeline, most of those Stories aren't even happening in the same week. The Most current one is what's happening in Uncanny X-men, because Wolverine was there for Utopia/Exodus, and wasn't there for the New Avengers arc.

[theXfactor]

Wolverine's a special case...he's different from most other heroes, because you know he's probably not going to die. But, that doesn't mean that nothing important will ever happen in any of the series that he's in. Let's take a look at these series:

Have you been reading X-force? It's pretty much one disaster after the other. There's lots of important stuff going on...and it's currently headed in to Necrosha with the Techno-Organic dead mutants...like the mutant version of Blackest Night. In X-force so far, they've gone up against Bastion & the Purifiers, Stryfe & Apocalypse, currently Kimora & the Facility, & they have Selene & the techno-organic dead mutants coming up. There's a lot of important stuff going on in this book.

Wolverine: First Class is an Awesome throwback book. I don't know if you'd say anything important happens, since it's a First Class book placed in the past, so we know all off the characters will be ok, but so far, we've had Wolverine interacting with Daredevil & Elektra, Thor, Shang-Chi, & Captain Marvel's up-coming, so its a really fun book.

Wolverine: Weapon X: is one of the best books on the shelves period, not just because it's Wolverine and I like him. Jason Aaron really gets the character. In the first arc, we have Wolverine going up against & trying to shut down the new products of the Weapon X program...the Adamantium Men/Strikeforce X. Plenty of Action and Espionage, and Wolverine doing wheat he does best. He's essentially fighting 12 people like himself, and he's outmatched, so we see how resourceful he is...and he is definetly tested. Next arc is about Wolverine in a madhouse...as a patient. Should be interesting and fresh. We have some horror arcs, kung fu arcs, and outerspace arcs coming up...which is why this may be my favorite book.

The other two books are New Avengers & X-men...bother where he has a supporting role, but both books have important events, nonetheless: X-men just had the big fight with the Dark Avengers, and new Avengers are basically going up against Osborn & the Hood's Masters of Evil.

Wolverine: Origins seems like it's about to get ugly as Romulus has just made an appearance...the guy who's been torturing and using Logan his whole life, and it doesn't seem as if Wolverine can take him. So far in this story, Nuke, Cyber, WildChild, and Omega Red have all been killed. I'd say it has some importance lol.

So all in all while he does have a lot of appearances, I do the think that the majortiy of them are important. There aren't as many gratuitous ones anymore. And I actually think the timeline is fine. He may be in many different stories, but they're not really happening at the same time, even though the books are coming out in the same month. In the marvel Timeline, most of those Stories aren't even happening in the same week. The Most current one is what's happening in Uncanny X-men, because Wolverine was there for Utopia/Exodus, and wasn't there for the New Avengers arc.

I love X-force and Weapon X. I'm not saying those stories are not good, just that nothing will happen to wolverine that will impact all his other appearances in a major way. Take X-force for example. Warren has changed drastically, Vanisher has a brain tumor, Laura lost an arm and Wolverine... well, Wolverine is the same.

[killerbass]

Hulk, X-force, Thunderbolts, Dark Avengers, Punisher and 15 Deadpool titles :biggrin:

LMAO...

Return of the Son of Astonishing Deadpool

[Trey]

Amazing Spider-man
The Avengers
Captain America
The Invincible Iron Man
Thor
Fantastic Four
Punisher War Journal
Dr. Strange
Black Panther
Incredible Hulk
Silver Surfer
Cable and Deadpool with Wolverine
Namor the Sub-mariner
Guardians of the Galaxy
Blade
She-Hulk
Uncanny X-men
New Mutants
Wolverine
Weapon X

[Brother Justin Crowe]

Cable and Deadpool with Wolverine


Hey! You keep your Wolverine out of my Cable & Deadpool! :evilangry:

[Frank]

You start with the Top characters first:

Avengers
Spider-Man
X-Men
Captain America
Hulk
Wolverine
Iron Man
Daredevil
Thor
Punisher
Fantastic Four

Then you say to yourself should we grow these franchises or give books to characters that have never sold before feathuring character with great potential?

You can go with these as characters that have a good potential if there are tweeks made there and there:

Doctor Strange
Iron Fist(Bru and Fraction having showed us that you can make it work)
Luke Cage
Ghost Rider

To maximizes your franchise as selling point you add these:

Second Avengers title
Second Spider-Man title
Second X-Men title

You add one title to include as many characters as possible that wouldn't be shown like an All-Star book type where anybody can show up:

Marvel Two-in-One

Finally the last title could be one with an element that is not touched upon with the rest of the titles whether it's period piece, or horror or cosmic. I choose horror:

Tomb of Dracula

I think we're set.

[nieman]

1. Marvel Team-Up - one-shots or 5 issue Arcs
2. Amazing Spider-Man (bi-weekly)
3. Incredible Hulk
4. Captain America - WInter Soldier, Falcon, Sharon Carter
5. Invincible Iron - all War Machine stories should be here
6. Daredevil
7. Punisher - keep it like the current 616 version...him going after the biggies of the MU...its not like Wolverine ever killed someone significant that stayed dead either
8. New Avengers - vigilant team
9. Mighty Avengers - always should be 2 Avenger teams this the more mainstream
10. Dark Avengers/Dark Reign - definitely needs a villain book...and one of importance too. After Osborn falls, maybe it will shift to Doom, Tombstone or Dormannu, someone else trying to take over the Cabal...rise of power of...
11. Captain Britain & MI:13 - the International book
12. Dr. Strange Midnight Sons - the supernatural book but lead by Strange and maybe Voodoo with Ghost Rider, Hellstrom etc
13. Black Panther & Storm - them outside of Wakanda
14. Fantastic Four
15. SHIELD/Secret Warriors - Nick Fury, Secret Warriors, Maria Hill on different missions
16. Guardians of the Galaxy - The Cosmic book including Silver Surfer
17. X-Men -the main team
18. Uncanny X-Men - different
19. X - Force - The black ops team (keep Wolverine mainly here but keep adding members like it's been doing
20. X-Missions - X-Factor, New Mutants , etc (all active X-Men can fit in one of these books)
21. Marvel Divas Need a female character book and and keep the cast rotating.

After reading that new Heroes for Hire, I more than ever believe that thats is the way they can trim their titles. They have put all of their street characters in one book, which is good since none of them sustain a title but for so long. They can work them as a group or rotate focus each mission. It's ALWAYS gonna sell with Misty, Punisher, Moon Knight, Falcon, Elektra,ghost Rider, Iron Fist & Luke Cage, Paladin; they can add the new Power Man, Shang Chi, Coleen, Shroud, Cloak & Dagger. Imagine the possibilities

1. Marvel Team-Up - one-shots or 5 issue Arcs
2. Amazing Spider-Man (bi-weekly)
3. Incredible Hulk - Hulks
4. Captain America - Winter Soldier, Falcon, Sharon Carter, Black Widow
5. Invincible Iron - all War Machine stories should be here
6. Daredevil
7. New Avengers - vigilant team
8. Mighty Avengers - always should be 2 Avenger teams this the more mainstream
9. Untitled Villain Book - definitely needs a villain book...and one of importance too....rise of power of...whoever...whats "such-and-such" up to
10. Heroes for Hire - Street level book...Punisher, Luke Cage, Misty Knight, Colleen Wing, Moon Knight, Iron Fist, Cloak & Dagger, Ghost Rider
11. Captain Britain & MI:13 - the International book including Black Panther & Namor & Savage Land
12. Dr. Strange Midnight Sons - the supernatural book but lead by Strange and maybe Voodoo with Ghost Rider, Hellstrom etc
13. Fantastic Four
14. SHIELD/Secret Warriors - Nick Fury, Secret Warriors, Maria Hill on different missions, with Black Widow & Spider-Woman
15. Guardians of the Galaxy - The Cosmic book including Silver Surfer
16. X-Men -the main team
17. Uncanny X-Men - different
18. X - Force - The black ops team (keep Wolverine mainly here but keep adding members like previous incarnation
19. X-Missions - X-Factor, New Mutants , etc (all active X-Men can fit in one of these books)
20. Marvel Divas Need a female character book and and keep the cast rotating.[/QUOTE]
21. Miscellaneous Book Any random stories or characters they want to establish in the MU

[Silvermoth]

1. Mighty Avengers
2. Secret Avengers
3. Young Avengers
4. Uncanny X-men
5. Uncanny X-force
6. X-factor
7. Daredevil
8. Amazing Spider-man
9. Captain America
10. Iron Man
11. Thor
12. She-Hulk
13. The Punisher
14. Wolverine
15. Deadpool
16. Incredible Hulk
17. Whatever DnA want to call their next sci-fi extravaganza
18. Nick Fury
19. X-23
20. Captain Britain and MI:13

Phew that was much harder than I thought it would be.

[andybmcd]

Some existing titles, some cancelled titles, and some completely made up titles.

1. Taskmaster and Deadpool
2. Immortal Iron Fist (Immortal Weapons back-up)
3. Uncanny X-Force
4. Ant-Man and Wasp
5. Wolverine (Echo back-up)
6. Secret Warriors (with SHIELD backup)
7. Fantastic Four
8. Mighty Avengers (Thor backup)
9. NEXTWAVE
10. Guardians of the Galaxy (Nova backup)
11. Amazing Spider-man (twice a month)
12. Avengers Academy
13. Hulk (She-Hulks backup)
14. Incredible Hercules
15. Daredevil
16. Invincible Iron Man
17. Punisher
18. Agents of Atlas
19. The Org (Like Heroes for Hire but for villains)
20. Thor: The Mighty Avenger (Ult Spidey backup) <---token AU titles which I greatly enjoy.

[Hulk_Is]

1. Avengers - This'd be Marvel's flagsip title. Bendis has perilous enough ideas to warrant a (main)stay.

2. Captain America - He has a movie coming soon and is well-written from what I hear.

3. Invincible Iron Man - He's popular the world over now so should someone want to read of him...

4. Thor - Has a movie coming out and is written well enough to be included in the lineup.

5. Amazing Spider-Man - 'Nuff Said.

6. Incredible Hulks - Just because people'd be kinda confused if he wasn't in the lineup.

7. Fantastic Four - Too important not to place them in the final lineup.

8. X-Men - Such a big franchise, but this series has a different feel than the flagship Uncanny.

9. Uncanny X-Men - Flagship X-title.

10. Namor First Mutant - Just so newbies could feel special pulling a Marvel first.

11. Heroes For Hire - Just the title sounds special. Readers would be buying something special.

12. Deadpool - Has a movie coming if not for anything else.

13. Wolverine - Just makes sense.

14. Thunderbolts - Want to show the world that Marvel doesn't just showcase superheroes. Well-written from what I hear, too.

15. Punisher - People know that this dark horse exsists so why not sate them?

16. Black Panther Man Without Fear - Seems interesting enough to make the final cut. Haven't read it; just going with gut.

17. Avengers Academy - Since Avengers is Marvel's flagship team book, maybe some teens would be interested.

18. Spider-Girl - Spider-franchise is very inviting - this'd be for young women and teens mainly.

19. Super Heroes - It's perfect for kids and just simple superhero goodness.

20.Spider-Man - He's perfect for this lighter title.

Honourable Mentions: Thor: The Mighty Avenger (getting the axe in reality) and Super Hero Squad (which I actually forgot. Oops.)

[andybmcd]

It's been fixed.

[Lord Bravery]

1. Avengers
2. Secret Avengers
3. Cosmic Avengers
4. X-Men
5. Uncanny X-Force
6. Nova Corps
7. Guardians of the Galaxy
8. Agents of Atlas
9. The Mighty Thor
10. Captain America
11. Invincible Iron Man
12. Hulk
13. Wolverine
14. Deadpool Max
15. Punisher Max
16. Captain Britain & MI-13
17. Sorcerer Supreme
18. Thunderbolts
19. Fantastic Four
20. Amazing Spider-Man

[James Hunter]

1) Avengers
2) Secret Avengers
3) Captain America
4)Iron Man
5) Thor
6) Avengers Academy
7) Nova
8) Thunderbolts
9) Punisher
10) Uncanny X-Men
11) Wolverine
12) Daken
13) Amazing Spider-Man
14) X-Factor
15) Heroes for Hire
16) Incredible Hulk
17) Fantastic Four
18) Invaders (I'd like to see INVADERS NOW! be succesful enough to launch an on-going which is why this is included)

That's all I need to use (I know I have 2 places left, but can't think of what to fill them with). The idea would be to make sure there was someting to appeal to basically every reader/potential reader of the Marvel Comics line.

Cheers.

James.

[SpideyCzar]

1-Amazing Spider-Man
2-Incredible Hulk
3-Avengers
4-Avengers Academy
5-Fantastic Four
6-Uncanny X-Men
7-Captain America
8-Invinicble Iron Man
9-Thor
10-Wolverine
11-X-Force
12-X-Factor
13-Secret Avengers
14-Black Panther
15-Guardians of the Galaxy-Featuring Nova, Beta Ray Bill, Ronan, Gladiator & other cosmic heroes
16-Thunderbolts
17-Marvel Comics Presents-Anthology series spotlighting heroes who don't have a Monthly title or don't have the popularity to support a monthly series.
18-What If?-One of my favorite series growing up would love to see it brought back as a monthly
19-Deadpool-Because, apparently someone is buying the 50 titles he's in a monh
20-Marvel Knights-Showcases the urban heroes of the Marvel Universe(Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jewel, Spider-Man, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Daredevil, Elektra, Black Cat, Dr. Strange and others) and how they work together to take down organized crime, and super natural threats.

[CaptCleghorn]

Amazing Spider-Man (2x month)
Incredible Hulk
Avengers (2x month)
Daredevil
Fantastic Four
X-Men (2x month)
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Wolverine
Strange Tales (Dr Strange and a mystic co-feature)
X-Factor
Deadpool
Black Panther
Atlas
Thunderbolts
Black Widow
What If?

The last two books feature not specifically in continuity arcs by a variety of creators, basically, the one story they want to tell about these characters.

Astonishing X-Men
Astonishing Spider-Man

[Mechano]

Avengers
Mighty Avengers
Ms Marvel
Iron Man
Thor
Wolverine
Uncanny X-Men
X-Men
X-Factor
Fantastic Four
Defenders (The core four)
Amazing Spider-Man
Spectacular Spider-Man
Incredible Hulk
Dr. Strange
Silver Surfer
Captain America
Invaders (starring Winter Soldier and Sub-Mariner)
Black Panther
Daredevil

[trubluefanatic]

The Amazing Spider-Man - J. Straczynski & J. Romita Jr.
The Avengers - K. Busiek & G. Perez
Captain America - E. Brubaker & S. Epting
Daredevil - B. Bendis & A. Maleev
Deadpool - J. Kelly & E. McGuinness
Doctor Strange - P. Jenkins & G. Land
Fantastic Four - M. Waid & J. Cheung
Ghost Rider - G. Ennis & C. Crain
The Incredible Hulk - P. David & C. Pagulayan
The Invincible Iron Man - M. Fraction & S. Larroca
The Mighty Thor - J. Straczynski & O. Coipel
Moon Knight - C. Huston & D. Finch
Ms. Marvel - B. Reed & A. Lopresti
The New Mutants - C. Claremont & A. Adams
The Punisher - G. Ennis & S. Dillon
The Silver Surfer - R. Marz & R. Lim
Thunderbolts - W. Ellis & M. Deodato
The Uncanny X-Men - C. Claremont & J. Lee
Wolverine - L. Hama & L. Francis Yu
X-Factor - P. David & S. Eaton

[TC88]

Avengers - Should be the flagship, but not to focus on the "Big Three" or Wolverine or Spider-Man. Have at most 3 of these 5 at any time

Amazing Spider-Man - Generally in it's own world, touching on Spidey as an Avenger

Captain America - Don't change a thing (barring Steve's inevitable return)

Incredible Hulk - not my cup of tea, but it is a classic. Basically in it's own world already.

Invincible Iron Man - Again, shouldn't change too much

Fantastic Four - Keep it going in the direction Hickman is going

Daredevil - Put Bendis back on it

Uncanny X-Men - classic roster plus New X-men and the lights

Wolverine - too popular to not have a solo book

X-Factor - Keep it the same

X-Force - Return it to New Mutants breaking off from Main team

Thor - Have to keep it

Punisher - Can also have a OOC PunisherMAX to please the fans

Luke Cage & Iron Fist buddy book

SHIELD - Nick Fury title, not the Hickman one

Ms. Marvel - Could be a breakout character with proper creative team

Strange Tales - Doctor Strange/Hank Pym split book basically 12 pages each no decompression at all, have several writers, maybe make it 36 pages of story and add a Deadpool part to make it sell

Young Avengers - Book has been perfect except for the delays

Guardians of the Galaxy - Basically Cosmic Avengers

Thunderbolts - Led by Hawkeye again

[TJKernan]

-Avengers Umbrella-
The Mighty Avengers (twice monthly)
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor

-X-Men Umbrella-
Uncanny X-Men (twice monthly)
Wolverine
X-Force
X-Factor

-Marvel Heroes Umbrella-
Fantastic Four
Black Panther
The Defenders (Doc Strange led rotating Marvel hero cast, mostly mystic enemies)
Excalibur (Pete Wisdom, Cap Britain, Nightcralwer, Kitty, etc, etc)
Amazing Spider-Man (twice monthly)

-Darker Side Umbrella-
Deadpool Max
Punisher Max
Thunderbolts
Daken: Dark Wolverine

-Kid's Umbrella-
Super Hero Action Squad
Spider-Man
Astonishing X-Men

[TheMightyTHOR]

1. Captain America
2. Thor
3. FF
4. Amazing Spider-Man
5. Iron Man
6. Avengers
7. Secret Avengers
8. X-Men
9. Uncanny X-Men
10. X-Factor
11. Wolverine
12. Incredible Hulks
13. Daredevil
14. Doc Strange
15. The Punisher (MAX)
16. Black Panther
17. Silver Surfer
18. Ghost Rider
19. SHIELD
20. Heroes for Hire

[Combustible Pumpkins]

Wolverine
Wolverine: First Class
Wolverine: Weapon X
Wolverine Origins
Wolverine & The X-men
Deadpool
Deadpool: Merc With A Mouth
Cable & Deadpool
Amazing Spider-Man (3x)
Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends
Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane
Dark Avengers
Mighty Avengers
New Avengers
Avengers: The Initiative
Wolverine & Deadpool
Spider-Man & Wolverine
Spider-Man & Deadpool
Spiderman, Wolverine & Deadpool
Spider-Man Loves Wolverine

I assume that Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Deadpool will also be starring in all four Avengers titles, correct?

Deadpool and Spidey should be in the Wolverine & The X-Men book too. I'm thinking a Deadpool loves Spider-Man would work too.

Taskmaster needs to be on this list though. Therefore the list ultimately fails.

[Frank]

It should be the most legendary concepts:

Avengers

X-Men

Fantastic Four

Spider-Man

Hulk

Captain America

Thor

Iron Man

Daredevil

Doctor Strange

Punisher

Shield/Nick Fury

Shang Chi

Wolverine

Tomb of Dracula

Captain Marvel

Excalibur

Alpha Flight

Hawkeye

Marvel Two-In-One/Fanfare-type Book
(wich many heroes who have not a solo title could be shown either in team-ups or in singles stories)

***if Marvel could only show the kind of dedication to reduce their titles to twenty, I could see myself returning to their fold.

[YouthofToday]

I like this idea. Take the whole line to $3.99, but have a 22 page main and a 8-10 page back up.

1. ASM- same as yours. 3x/month. No back ups, stays at $3.
2. New Avengers / Spider-woman
3. Mighty Avengers / Young Avengers
4. Captain America / Bucky and Black Widow
5. Iron Man / War Machine
6. Daredevil / Iron Fist
7. Wolverine / Wolverine Origins(he has to have 2 solos books!)
8. Uncanny X-Men / X-Factor
9. Fantastic 4 / Silver Surfer
10. Thor / Hercules
11. Incredible Hulk / She-Hulk
12. Nova / GOTG
13. SHEILD (when it comes back) / Untold Fury Tales from the 60s
14. Moon Knight / Blade
15. Deadpool / Punisher
16. Astonishing X-Men / SWORD
17. X-Force / Cable
18. Avengers UK (Union Jack, Black Knight, others) / MI 13
19. Thunderbolts / Agents of Atlas
20. X-men Legacy / New Mutants

That was my list from last year. I'll change it up a little and take away back ups for some. This is just 616. Ultimate and Max lines would stay as is.

1. Amazing Spider-man (2x per month)
2. Avengers
3. New Avengers w/ Young Avengers back up
4. Captain America- (Steve Rogers)
5. Iron Man
6. Thor w/ Herc back up
7. Uncanny X-men w/ New Mutants or Young X-men or New X-men back up
8. X-Men(drop the Legacy name, get rid of the newly launched title)
9. Fantastic Four
10. Wolverine
11. Guardians of the Galaxy(big name cosmic characters- Nova, Silver Surfer, etc. I would resist calling it Cosmic Avengers)
12. Daredevil (Matt of course)
13. SHIELD (Fury back in charge, cast would include Bucky, Black Widow, Mockingbird, Hawkeye, Daisy, Elektra, etc.)
14. X-Force
15. Thunderbolts
16. Moon Knight
17. X-Factor
18. Incredible Hulk
19. Deadpool
20. Punisher

I'd still push titles like Agents of Atlas, MI13, Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, etc as minis.

[Chachi]

Amazing Spiderman (2x a month)
Avengers (2 x a month)
Captain America
Invincible Iron Man
Incredible Hulk
Thor
Uncanny X-Men (2 x a month)
X-Factor
Wolverine
Young Avengers
Fantastic Four
Thunderbolts
Heroes For Hire
Alpha Flight
Moon Knight
Daredevil
Shield (Fury)
Untold Tales Of The Marvel Universe
Marvel Streets (punisher, shang chi, power man etc.)
Excalibur

[Lewismio]

I have a list of comics that i believe that would sell extremely well because of an extremely popular and well done character. Be written really well and easily because it they all feature characters with rich backgrounds and fleshed out personalities

1 Wolverine: The flagship title

2 Wolverine and the vampires: This is just a title about wolverine fighting or possibly joining the vampires

3 X-men feat Wolverine: This is an ongoing about wolverine and him occasionally asking the x-men what needs doing and he does it. Its a real team book.

4 Wolverine and the Avengers: this would be a much more team related book, with everyone on the avengers team telling wolverine where the bad guys are in and which ones he should take out first.

5 x-23: which is about x-23 trying to come to terms with herself and wolverine helping her along the way

6 Wolverine Ultimate: Wolverine in the ultimate universe. Nuff said

7 Daken: This is about daken hating his dad and wolverine loving his son. at the end of the day nothing is accomplished but is still a great read.

8 Marvel Zombies: After eating every single life form on the planet, including his zombie comrades wolverine must find a way to survive

9 Wolverine MAX: everyone likes gore, but you know who makes gory stories even better? THATS RIGHT WOLVERINE!

10 Uncanny x-men: There will only be four main characters on this team book and they all bounce off of eachother really well Wolverine, Daken, X-23 and wolverine from an alternate future

11 Wolverine What If?: this series is focussed upon wolverines daily life if he had not become a mutant. it involves him saving money on beer, going to work and settling down with a family. They read the news about those crazy mutants and their crazy shenanigans.

12 Wolverine Origins Part two: like part one but part two

13 Old Man Logan: as an ongoing series it Might be a bit risky but it will still sell extremely well

14 Wolverine, muttonchop gaijin: This story is focusse around Wolverine training to become a samurai. an action packed adventure filled with mystery, tentacle monsters and of coures. Wolverine!

15 Deadpool Team Up: Every issue features wolverine

16 Wolverine Weapon X: Even more stories of his weapon X days.

17 Romulus and wolverine The Hatred Is Born: About how romulus manipulates everything around wolverine to make him the best at what he does

18 Wolverine First Class: classic wolverine stories that take the character back to basics

19 Wolverine The best there is: taking wolverine to a whole new level, only works in this series are bub and onomatopoeias such as, Snikt.

20 Super Hero Sqaud And Wolverine: just one for the kids

[BartonisHawkeye88]

Well, if we're talking about what's what I want, that'd be a different story, and very stacked... However, if I take other people into consideration I'd leave a bunch of books I don't really read... but I'd have to get rid of all the duplicate ongoings. We don't need 50 deadpool books, 73 Wolverine books, 12 Thor books, etc.


Avengers
New Avengers
Captain America
Iron Man
The Mighty Thor
Hawkeye: the Avenging Archer
Uncanny X-Men
X-Factor
Wolverine: MAX
Deadpool: MAX
Fantastic 4 (Three)
Heroes for Hire
Amazing Spider-Man
Thunderbolts
Incredible Hulk
She-Hulk
SHIELD
Punisher: MAX
Black Widow
Avengers Academy


Now... If I wanted to be selfish and pick only books I would read...

Avengers (Slott/Coipel)
West Coast Avengers (McCann/Cho)
Hawkeye: The Avenging Archer (McCann/Pham)
Wonderman (Fraction/Ferry)
Thunderbolts (Nicieza/Immonen)
Guardians of the Galaxy (DnA/Pelletier)
Avengers Academy (Gage/McKone)
Captain Britain and MI:13 (Cornell/Kirk)
Incredible Hercules (Pak/Pham)
Ms Marvel (Reed/DelaTorre)

Immortal Iron Fist (Swiercznski/Aja)
Codename: Winter Soldier(Hickman/Acuna)
Captain America(Brubaker/Epting)
Iron Man and War Machine (Fraction/Larroca)
Alpha Flight (Yost/Grummett)
Heroes for Hire (Casey/Yu)
She-Hulk (Slott/Moll)
Defenders (PAD/Molina)
Thor (JMS/Djurdjevic)
White Tiger (Ellis/McNiven)

[savagedoctor]

I've got it nailed, a radically re-invented series of lines:

AVENGERS

Wolverine, Guest Starring the Avengers
The Hood, Guest Starring the Avengers
Iron Man, Guest Starring the Avengers

XMEN

Wolverine, Guest Starring the XMen
Cyclops, Guest Starring the Xmen
Deadpool, Guest Starring the Xmen

DEADPOOL

DeadPool
More Deadpool
Even More Deadpool
Deadpool and the Marvel Universe

SPIDERMAN

Spiderman
Spiderman, big day
Spiderman, one more time

DSW- THIRD TIME LUCKY

Spiderman, Deadpool, and Wolverine
Spiderman, Wolverine, and Deadpool
Deadpool, Spiderman, and Wolverine
Deadpool, Wolverine, and Spiderman
Wolverine, Spiderman, and Deadpool
Wolverine, Deadpool, and Spiderman

MARVEL UNIVERSE

The Marvel Universe according to Jonathan Hickman
Marvel Universe: Character Assassination
Marvel Universe: Resurrection

ZOMBIES vs VAMPIRES

Marvel Zombie Vampires
Zombies vs Vampires
Marvel Vampires
Marvel Zombies

[chrisgiff]

sane answer:

only 1 title per character



marvel answer:

20 Wolverine books