Nightwing and Robin's reaction after Tower of Babel storyline

[devilin]

Is there a particular book which has Dick and Tim's reactions to Batman's "betrayal" of the League? I think that would be something cool to read about.

[WorstThingUS]

Is there a particular book which has Dick and Tim's reactions to Batman's "betrayal" of the League? I think that would be something cool to read about.

They got a page each in a Secret Files book, I think. And it was poorly done. Other writers just weren't interested in it.

[dreyga2000]

The was a pretty signifigant subplot in Young Justice in which Robin's teammates had difficulties trusting, due to a supicision that he Robin may be keeping files on them, in the manner of his mentor, this ultimately lead to the team replaving him with Wonder Girl as lead of the team....

[Devil_LeonX]

Just a ?, bats eventually got back in the league so how did that go??did they ask him??did he earn his way ??

[Werehunter]

Just a ?, bats eventually got back in the league so how did that go??did they ask him??did he earn his way ??

I think, but am not sure, that Bats was pretty much back in the League the next story arc. It seems his so important that he's needed despite the fact almost no one trusts him at the moment.

[Damiean Dark]

Tower of Babel was written all wrong anyway why where they surprised batman wouldnt have preventive measures to halt any leaguers who went bad? Superman himself gave batman his great weakness because he knew the devastation he could wring on the earth if it happend. Jonn and Wonder Woman are very nearly supes equal and Aquaman,flash and lantern are no weaklings either it stands to reason a solution to stop them in thier tracks should be available the fact that it was stolen and used against them,which was entirely ot batmans vault, doesnt take away the need for it imo.

You can say he could have least told them but that always carries the risk of them countermeasuring the countermeasure.

[Mr Omnis]

They were surprised because Clark giving Batman the kryptonite ring was a sign of trust between the two. The subversion of that trust, to generate an artificial kryptonite, as well as the creation of specific tools to counter the specific members of the JLA at the time while they made no active attempt for countermeasures against him if he went rogue is a pretty crappy move.

Granted, he's a mortal. But he also took out a bunch of people and managed to convince Darkseid he was going to blow up the planet.

It'd be like if you married someone and 20 years down the road found out s/he had been working out measures for your divorce, in a manner that benefits her, since the moment you two met.

[WorstThingUS]

The was a pretty signifigant subplot in Young Justice in which Robin's teammates had difficulties trusting, due to a supicision that he Robin may be keeping files on them, in the manner of his mentor, this ultimately lead to the team replaving him with Wonder Girl as lead of the team....

Really? Where? All I remember is the one page.

[lggp]

yeah dude Tim was actually of the book a few issues because of that

[Devil_LeonX]

They were surprised because Clark giving Batman the kryptonite ring was a sign of trust between the two. The subversion of that trust, to generate an artificial kryptonite, as well as the creation of specific tools to counter the specific members of the JLA at the time while they made no active attempt for countermeasures against him if he went rogue is a pretty crappy move.

Granted, he's a mortal. But he also took out a bunch of people and managed to convince Darkseid he was going to blow up the planet.

It'd be like if you married someone and 20 years down the road found out s/he had been working out measures for your divorce, in a manner that benefits her, since the moment you two met.

nice answer

[Mister Blisterfists]

They were surprised because Clark giving Batman the kryptonite ring was a sign of trust between the two. The subversion of that trust, to generate an artificial kryptonite, as well as the creation of specific tools to counter the specific members of the JLA at the time while they made no active attempt for countermeasures against him if he went rogue is a pretty crappy move.

Granted, he's a mortal. But he also took out a bunch of people and managed to convince Darkseid he was going to blow up the planet.

It'd be like if you married someone and 20 years down the road found out s/he had been working out measures for your divorce, in a manner that benefits her, since the moment you two met.

isn't that what a Pre-Nup is for?

anyway, the reason Batman was on the team in the next arc is simple.

the countermeasures he created, were used by the villains to defeat the league. However, he helped the league win in the end, thereby earning back that trust.

[Mr Omnis]

nice answer

Thanks.

isn't that what a Pre-Nup is for?

I would say there's a distinct difference than being well established in a committed relationship and developing and agreement to make a possible divorce easier, and turning around and working on countermeasures the moment you see a person.

Working on plans for Superman in case he goes rogue is one thing, because, as I said, it was asked of him to have the ring and to work out these things. Superman KNEW he would need to be taken down, and knew that Batman, his friend, would do that for him if it came down too it.

Batman then subverted the trust and established OTHER countermeasures, without consent or knowledge, violating the trust and respect of the other members of the JLA. And the countermeasures were potentially deadly, which makes it even worse.

I would find it seriously difficult to trust someone who I just found out was doing everything they could to render me either dead or completely and utterly incapacitated on the off-chance I decided to go rogue without my consenting to the measures.

anyway, the reason Batman was on the team in the next arc is simple.

"Becase you need me." is what he said in the issue where they were fighting the woman from the fair tale.

the countermeasures he created, were used by the villains to defeat the league. However, he helped the league win in the end, thereby earning back that trust.

Re-reading that arc, it looks as though the main reason he regained their trust was because revealed himself to be Bruce Wayne, and Superman revealed himself to be Clark Kent. Granted, there was a bit bunch of nonsense that happened with that, but had he NOT done that, I think there would have still been major trust issues-- such as the ones that were established in the fairy-tale story.

[WorstThingUS]

yeah dude Tim was actually of the book a few issues because of that

So people keep telling me, but no one is naming an issues I can go look at, because in my mind it wasn't really something Peter David cared about and never addressed because no one ever assumed Tim would act like Bruce. Neither would the Titans think the same of Dick.

[Werehunter]

I don't know the issue numbers but I believe it was brought up in the Our Worlds are Worlds Young Justice tie ins.

[Doug Side]

Yeah, it was in the Our worlds at war crossover, starting around issue 35. When they got to Apocalypse.. I guess just being on that planet made them go crazy, and they had a big fight about not trusting Tim because of the Babel thing.. (issue 36) Afterwords Tim left the team for awhile, and mentioned them not trusting him and the team being too much grief for him to handle. (issue 38)