When Bruce is brought back should Tim and Dick reconcile ?

[CMBMOOL]

What I mean is that while we the Readers know that Bruce Wayne's alive, and Tim believes that he's alive.

However, both Dick and Alfred doesn't believe in that, and neither does anyone else assoicated with Tim.

As shown in Blackest Night Batman and Red Robin #1 and soon to be shown in Red Robin #4, this leads to a fall-out between Dick and Tim.

However we the readers know that Bruce Wayne's going to come back from his time traveling adventure.

SO when Bruce does return from time, should Dick apologize to Tim for not Believing in him or should Tim apologize to Dick ?

Either way should their be a reconcilation between the two when Bruce Returns ? :frown:

[Jorriss]

I'd like there to be no apologies. Tim was in the 'wrong' but given the circumstance an apology seems unnecessary. But I do hope they reconcile before Bruce returns.

[the Hornet]

its tricky. Although Tim is right in his believes, he went about it the wrong way and overeacted. Dick wrongfuly believed Bruce is dead but then again the whole world did, since there was a realistic body and all. The best way to go about it is not too make a big deal about it when Bruce returns and just team up and beat Bruce up for not getting back sooner!

[AiyokuSama]

Tim was in the 'wrong'

Perhaps I missed something but how is Tim in the wrong?

[CountAchilles]

Tim's not in the wrong.He's actually in the right,considering Bruce will return in due time.

And,I'd not like an reconcillation,it'd be much better if they both retained their animosity.

[Crowforge]

I'd like them both to be disturbed by batman's return to life.

[bigbluntz]

I kinda like the animosity between these two characters, could lead to some interesting dialogue if written correctly. I would love to see them both slug it out as well.

[AiyokuSama]

And,I'd not like an reconcillation,it'd be much better if they both retained their animosity.

Why? They had a really good, brotherly relationship and worked well together. I'd like to see them have that again.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Why? They had a really good, brotherly relationship and worked well together. I'd like to see them have that again.

I agree. Written well, for a single story them having issues works, but making them estranged permanently seems totally pointless to me.

[AiyokuSama]

I agree. Written well, for a single story them having issues works, but making them estranged permanently seems totally pointless to me.

My fav issues of the Nightwing book wer when Tim was involved and the boys were being boys, whether it was train surfing or putting the hurt on some nasties.

[Choppa]

I'm certain there will be a reconciliation. It seems like the only reason Tim went rogue was because with Dick as Batman and Damian as Robin there was nothing else for Tim to do.

[Jorriss]

Perhaps I missed something but how is Tim in the wrong?
Bruce was sent to the past meaning he actually is dead in our time. There was a body so there is no reason to think he is alive... but mainly I meant to say dick was in the wrong so I'm just trying to backtrack >.>

[jbwbubba]

I don't think their breakup is as bad people might think. Tim is pissed that Dick threw him under the bus for Damien; but Tim came to the belief that Bruce was alive and would have left anyway. I think the upcoming confrontation will be a flashback; in which Dick tries to apologize for Damien being Robin and asking Tim to stay. Tim will make clear that he has to leave and Dick will let him; because he had to leave Bruce and gain his independence also. I for one hope it doesn't involve the throwing of punches. Although I wouldn't be surprised that a punch gets thrown, and that makes Dick know he needs to back off.

When Bruce does return, I think it will involve nothing more than a "you were right" or "never more happy to be wrong". Perhaps a future, "I was right about Bruce being alive" from Tim in order to prove he's correct in a future matter.

[Bat_Fan2232]

I'd like there to be no apologies. Tim was in the 'wrong' but given the circumstance an apology seems unnecessary. But I do hope they reconcile before Bruce returns.

How is Tim wrong? Enlighten me

Edit: just read your second post

[Don Quixote]

I don't think their breakup is as bad people might think. Tim is pissed that Dick threw him under the bus for Damien; but Tim came to the belief that Bruce was alive and would have left anyway. I think the upcoming confrontation will be a flashback; in which Dick tries to apologize for Damien being Robin and asking Tim to stay. Tim will make clear that he has to leave and Dick will let him; because he had to leave Bruce and gain his independence also. I for one hope it doesn't involve the throwing of punches. Although I wouldn't be surprised that a punch gets thrown, and that makes Dick know he needs to back off.


This seems more likely to me. Dick's shown a great deal of understanding for Tim's losses in the past, as in the Resurrection of Ra's al Ghul storyline, where he decided to stand back and trust Tim to make the right decision, despite his pain.

He's not the kind to fall out with Tim over whether Bruce is alive or not. I think it's likely to be Tim feeling burned over trusting Jason and then seeing Damien replace him. Any disagreement or fight they have should end with Dick making it clear that Tim's his little brother, and always welcome in the house, Cave, bunker, wherever.

[The Scarlet Sapien]

Why? They had a really good, brotherly relationship and worked well together. I'd like to see them have that again.
Well, You Know- a brotherly relationship and animosity are not mutually exclusive.

[Mia]

Ummm...can someone explain...or give me a link as to what is happening? Where did they have this big falling out?

[CMBMOOL]

Ummm...can someone explain...or give me a link as to what is happening? Where did they have this big falling out?

At first it was just Tim keeping his distance away from Dick in the pages of Red Robin, but come Blackest Night Batman it's shown that Tim was a jerk to Dick when he called him up.

So it assumed in theory that they had a falling out somewhere inbetween the pages of Red Robin issue #4 that is coming in next moth.

[David Walton]

Yeah, they should. It would be extremely out of character for them to do otherwise.

Right now the chip on Tim's shoulder makes sense because he's under a lot of stress. He's lost a father, was adopted by Bruce only to find Bruce also has a natural son no one knew about, and then he loses Bruce and is essentially fired by his closest ally. Once Bruce is back it wouldn't make much sense for them to be at odds.

[Mia]

At first it was just Tim keeping his distance away from Dick in the pages of Red Robin, but come Blackest Night Batman it's shown that Tim was a jerk to Dick when he called him up.

So it assumed in theory that they had a falling out somewhere inbetween the pages of Red Robin issue #4 that is coming in next moth.

Thanks for filling me in...I haven't been reading RR!

[Captain Jim]

At first it was just Tim keeping his distance away from Dick in the pages of Red Robin, but come Blackest Night Batman it's shown that Tim was a jerk to Dick when he called him up.


But doesn't it really go back to when Dick took the Robin identity away from Tim and gave it to Damian? (I believe this was shown in flashback in RR #1)

[AiyokuSama]

Well, You Know- a brotherly relationship and animosity are not mutually exclusive.

In this case, it really is, given all the past events that have shown the nature of their relationship.

[AiyokuSama]

come Blackest Night Batman it's shown that Tim was a jerk to Dick when he called him up.

Seriously? I just read BN:Batman, and maybe I higher tolerance for jerky behaviour, but that didn't even come close. Annoyed sure, distracted maybe and pretty understandably, but a "jerk" no.

[Redrumbin]

What I'd really like is a special 50 pages issue with Tim meeting with ALL the DCu Characters and saying ''I TOLD YOU SO!'' ''WHO TOLD YOU SO? I DID!''

I've never seen an actual potent arc starring Dick and Tim, I think when Bruce returns, it'd be something cool to happen.

[NutterZoi]

What I'd really like is a special 50 pages issue with Tim meeting with ALL the DCu Characters and saying ''I TOLD YOU SO!'' ''WHO TOLD YOU SO? I DID!''

That would be deeply amusing. I'd buy that issue.

[CMBMOOL]

But doesn't it really go back to when Dick took the Robin identity away from Tim and gave it to Damian? (I believe this was shown in flashback in RR #1)

That too, thanks for reminding me.:redface:

[Buried Alien]

I do hope they fix this after it's run its course. Members of the Batfamily have, to varying degrees, been feuding since the early 1980s when Jason replaced Dick as Robin. There should be a period for all the members of the Batfamily (well, except maybe for Jason) to be at peace with each other.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Crowforge]

BUt internal conflict is more interesting.

[Buried Alien]

BUt internal conflict is more interesting.

Not all the time, though. I feel like we've been stuck on this treadmill for the past quarter century now.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Crowforge]

I just want as much difference between the bat-clones as possible.

[AiyokuSama]

I just want as much difference between the bat-clones as possible.

<raises an eyebrow>

Sharing the same family/training/Mission does not a clone make.

[CMBMOOL]

I don't think their breakup is as bad people might think. Tim is pissed that Dick threw him under the bus for Damien; but Tim came to the belief that Bruce was alive and would have left anyway. I think the upcoming confrontation will be a flashback; in which Dick tries to apologize for Damien being Robin and asking Tim to stay. Tim will make clear that he has to leave and Dick will let him; because he had to leave Bruce and gain his independence also. I for one hope it doesn't involve the throwing of punches. Although I wouldn't be surprised that a punch gets thrown, and that makes Dick know he needs to back off.

When Bruce does return, I think it will involve nothing more than a "you were right" or "never more happy to be wrong". Perhaps a future, "I was right about Bruce being alive" from Tim in order to prove he's correct in a future matter.

Well it seems like you were right about Dick confronting Tim in a flashback as shown in the pages of Red Robin #4, and he did let him go. However, that was because Tim reminded him of the two of them being equals, and that he just had to try to find him.

So in a way it sort of ended the way you described it. :redface:

[Freakzeek]

If you look at the bat-family their all control freaks of some nature...so i think an internal conflict between dick and tim, is not only ineviatble but it may be interesting to see if they have conflict over ideological concepts and such

[CMBMOOL]

If you look at the bat-family their all control freaks of some nature...so i think an internal conflict between dick and tim, is not only ineviatble but it may be interesting to see if they have conflict over ideological concepts and such

Like when Tim warned Dick about Damien potential of being a monster, where Dick can find that he could redeem him.

Also given the fact that Blackest Night is suppose to tie-into Morrison's Batman and Robin, given the rumors that issue #6 or #7 is delayed until Blackest Night #6 is out, who thinks that Geoff Johns will give off a small hint that Bruce is still alive to the present day DCU characters and thereby prove Tim's beliefs ? :redface:

[CMBMOOL]

<raises an eyebrow>

Sharing the same family/training/Mission does not a clone make.

I mean look at Ben Reilly over at Marvel comics. :redface:

[CMBMOOL]

With Red Robin returning to Gotham within March/April solicts and running into the new Dynamic Duo, any chance for a little talk after Ra Al Ghul's defeated ? :frown: