John Byrne?

[KJ_81]

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32520&PN=1&totPosts=9


Gail: 'John, I hope it's cool to post this here!

Basically, industry legend John Ostrander is struggling with glaucoma, a problem he's had for 30 years, and it's gotten worse. Two surgeries have helped, but it looks like one, or possibly two more are are in order. John has expensive insurance, but it doesn't cover the entire cost of the procedure or any of the related expenses and follow-up. He needs help.

Adriane Nash and Mike Gold have started a website, comix4sight.com , to make people aware of this situation. They're having a huge auction at the Chicago Comicon, with the gracious help of Wizard Entertainment, tonight, Saturday the eighth. I have helped collect art and donations, and the response from the industry has been so amazing that they can't possibly auction off all the great pieces we have collected, so starting next week, people will be able to bid on this amazing stuff online, which is pretty damn cool.

If you have a couple bucks to spare, this is a great cause for a great writer, and every dime over John's expenses will go directly to the Hero Initiative, to help other creators who need a temporary helping hand. John has been overwhelmed and humbled by the number of pros and readers and collectors who have helped in this benefit, and it's going to help a great writer keep his eyesight. What could be better?

Just a quick bit partial rundown of the items that we have received:

Yeah, wow, we're going to do a full list to thank everyone, but it's just insane. People who donated art or money include, David Mack, Sergio Aragones, Brian Bendis, Stan Sakai, Neil Gaiman, Geoff Johns, Bob Wayne, David Lloyd, Joe Quesada, Eric Jones, Jim Lee, J. Scott Campbell, Art Adams, Dan Jurgens, Mark Wheatley, Jeff Smith, Terry Moore, Stephane Roux, Chris Batista, Eric Canete, Colleen Coover, Terry Dodson, Aaron Lopresti, Alvin Lee, UDON Studios, David Hahn, Steve Lieber, Phil Hester, Billy Tucci, Roger Langridge, Rob Liefeld, Rags Morales, Matt Wagner, Talent Caldwell, Paul Chadwick, Ron Randall, Scott Shaw, Neal Adams, Joe Prado, Tim Truman, John Layman and Rob Guillory, Phillip Tan, Bernard Chang, Val Semeiks, Kevin Smith, Francis Manapul, Bill Morrison, Dustin Weaver, Matt Groening, Batton Lash, Tone Rodriguez, Agnes Garbowska, Chris Schweizer, Thom Zhaler, Laurie B., Nicola Scott, Jamal Igle, Chris Burnham, Phil Noto, Josh Adams, the Kubert family, Marc Hempel, Boom Studios, Mark Waid, Bo Hampton, Norm Breyfogle, Mike Vosburg, Scott Morse, James Owen (who has, in his ENTIRE CAREER had less than two dozen pieces of his original art put up for sale or donation, making this CRAZY rare), Marv Wolfman, Christos Gage, Lin Workman, and more.


With pieces donated by collectors featuring Dan DeCarlo, Bruce Timm, George Perez, Alex Nino, Howard Chaykin, Joe Staton, Dave McKean, Dave Sim and many others.

And if you can believe it, there's still more coming!

We're not going to be able to auction all of this wonderful wonderful stuff at one event, so there's going to be an online auction and a lot of people are going to get a chance at some of this once-in-a-lifetime stuff. I'm pretty excited!

Not to mention that cash donations have already topped 14k!

Holy crap, I love this industry!

I hope you'll take a quick look at comix4sight.com and give a thought to donating what you can. We are still accepting donations, both cash and other auctionable items. Please help if you can, you'll be glad you did!'

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Byrne replies: 'John, I hope it's cool to post this here!


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"Mind if I smoke?" he asked as he lit up. '

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Fucking wanker.


At least your response showed some class Gail. That's desperately missing from there.

Gail: 'Sheesh, honestly, if it's not okay to post this here, please just delete the thread. All I'm trying to do is spread the word of a good cause.There's nothing sneaky about it and I certainly didn't feel it was presumptuous. I haven't run into this stuff at any other board I've posted this at, frankly.

The word is out elsewhere. If there's a problem here for some reason I don't understand, please delete the thread entirely.'

[bert]

1) not appropriate to bring a mess from another board here.

2) not appropriate to have a curse in the title of the thread

Thread titles show up on the front page of CBR. I'm not sure how random it is, but yeah, how great to see "currently in our forums" and then this thread title displayed on the CBR front page?

Sheesh, I like you (I really do), but have some common sense here, please!

[FeminineMystique]

Wish I could say this came as a surprise. John Byrne is right up there with Rob Lieifield and Ric Olney in my opinion when it comes to assholes working in the comics business

[Sabrinaset]

John Byrne: Get Fucked

I don't see anything wrong with that message!

[friginator]

It wasn't that bad. Not that I have the greatest track record with tactful jokes.

Incidentally, I had no idea Gail's middle name was Lynn.

[K-DoG7p7]

could this be a hint?

[Lester C.]

It wasn't that bad. Not that I have the greatest track record with tactful jokes.

Incidentally, I had no idea Gail's middle name was Lynn.

At least part of Gail's name is a pseudonym not that it matters to me. I love Gail the writer and the person and don't really care she indulges in the time honored tradition of using pseudonyms, especially in light of some serious hate out there some people have toward writers, celebrities or just women in general.

Given Gail's personal and professional history I'm a bit disappointed in John's silent response to her plea to save John Ostrander's eyesight but that's just me.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Wish I could say this came as a surprise. John Byrne is right up there with Rob Lieifield and Ric Olney in my opinion when it comes to assholes working in the comics business

I don't see anything wrong with that message!

Ha ha true. Why John would be angry about this shocks me. Its a good deed people are doing and people need to support Ostrander. (I don't pull Secret Six , but I do plan to buy the issue Gail and John do)

[K-DoG7p7]

Its an Anagram and lynn is the last part of the puzzle!

[Gail Simone]

Look.

John might have been doing nothing but joking. We have joked back and forth and it looks like snark to most people, I'm sure.

I like John and I loved working with him, and it's probably just him kidding. If he was being serious, maybe that's how it looks to him, posting, "Hope this is cool," WHILE I'm posting. Maybe he thinks I should have asked first.

Or maybe it's like a previous poster said and John thinks I'm trying to 'paint him into a corner.'

It's a shame, but maybe it's just a misunderstanding. I certainly don't think this thread title is appropriate.

[Gail Simone]

Its an Anagram and lynn is the last part of the puzzle!

It's short for Tamrynnialynnmeister Rex.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

You could change the thread title to , "John Byrne : Get Bent !" :tongue:

[KJ_81]

1) not appropriate to bring a mess from another board here.

2) not appropriate to have a curse in the title of the thread

Thread titles show up on the front page of CBR. I'm not sure how random it is, but yeah, how great to see "currently in our forums" and then this thread title displayed on the CBR front page?

Sheesh, I like you (I really do), but have some common sense here, please!

1) Considering it involved Gail, and a really damn good cause, I'm outraged at it. I thought others here who share a more vested interest in it might be interested in this odd response.

2) Oops, I honestly didn't know that. I can't edit that title, but have already 'Report Post'ed on it asking for the title to be changed. Please feel free to do the same. Apologies for that, didn't know it was visible on the CBR front page like that.

[K-DoG7p7]

It's short for Tamrynnialynnmeister Rex.

I know....


Insane Molly Gin

[KJ_81]

You could change the thread title to , "John Byrne : Get Bent !" :tongue:

That's actually what I asked for, in the edit!

[Sabrinaset]

It's short for Tamrynnialynnmeister Rex.

Her name is actually Gailactus Stargod.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f336/sabrinaset/BreeToons/Gailactus.jpg

[THEDOC]

Wish I could say this came as a surprise. John Byrne is right up there with Rob Lieifield and Ric Olney in my opinion when it comes to assholes working in the comics business

OK obviously I understand Olney, but what has Liefield done except be a terrible artist. Maybe I'm missing something.
I think Mr. Byrne should go back to being a cog in someone's wheel.

[JTPencils]

It's short for Tamrynnialynnmeister Rex.

I'm just guessing here... you don't get a lot of engraved items as gifts do you? The cost alone, and trying to fit that on most items would drive a person nuts!

[JTPencils]

Wish I could say this came as a surprise. John Byrne is right up there with Rob Lieifield and Ric Olney in my opinion when it comes to assholes working in the comics business

From the list I saw, Liefeld at least donated something for this great cause. His only "crime" is being a hack artist (and I use the term loosely) that seems to still get work.

The other twit (and I use THAT term nicely) doesn't have a thing to offer as far as a donation anyhow. His crimes are just too many to list here in a nice refined package, but you can follow the epic that is his thread elsewhere.

Byrne on the other hand, well, he sorta cemented his "ego" reputation with me when I saw him at a con once. But that's another tale.

[K-DoG7p7]

Liefield is a nice guy.. he is a bit full of himself online but I only hear nice things about him from people that have actually meet him..

[KJ_81]

I've heard some bad dealings from people associated with him business-wise, but nothing that's ever been really substantiated, so I couldn't say whether I believe it or not.

^Liefeld, that is.

[KJ_81]

Byrne's latest post, last I'll crosspost. Explains his last post...somewhat.

'Sheesh, honestly, if it's not okay to post this here, please just delete the thread. All I'm trying to do is spread the word of a good cause.There's nothing sneaky about it and I certainly didn't feel it was presumptuous. I haven't run into this stuff at any other board I've posted this at, frankly.

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Posting is not a problem. Asking if it's a problem, in an open Forum, as you post without awaiting a response, is. Especially when you have my email.

I have no problem at all with this thread being here -- but suppose I did? How would you have unrung that bell, Gail? '

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Strange coming from someone who deletes posts/whole threads like it was a life-saving endeavour. That would have 'unrung the bell' easily.

[FeminineMystique]

I've heard some bad dealings from people associated with him business-wise, but nothing that's ever been really substantiated, so I couldn't say whether I believe it or not.

^Liefeld, that is.

I've had friends who've met him and said he's come off as ridiculously full of himself. And the whole Shatterstar debacle left a bad taste in my mouth with regards to Liefield

[Samy]

Ahh, John Byrne. The original firestorm-lighter on the Internet. :D

I gotta admit, I'm only amused anymore.

[Aspield]

Her name is actually Gailactus Stargod.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f336/sabrinaset/BreeToons/Gailactus.jpg

She's a sneaky force of nature, that one.

Can I be her Silver Surfer?

[the4thpip]

1) not appropriate to bring a mess from another board here.

2) not appropriate to have a curse in the title of the thread

Thread titles show up on the front page of CBR. I'm not sure how random it is, but yeah, how great to see "currently in our forums" and then this thread title displayed on the CBR front page?

Sheesh, I like you (I really do), but have some common sense here, please!

In his defense, it's a thread about John Byrne. All the complaints you list are kind of hard to avoid in that case.

[Three]

Wow!
Hey, this thread NEEDS to be on here because of the very purpose of the internet ... to spread information! I wouldn't have seen this otherwise and man, what a douche.

[friginator]

I know....


Insane Molly Gin

I got "One Man is Lying," though you would have to drop an L. It could be "Lone Man is Lying."

[KJ_81]

I've had friends who've met him and said he's come off as ridiculously full of himself. And the whole Shatterstar debacle left a bad taste in my mouth with regards to Liefield

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about the Shatterstar thing. (bad memory)

And yeah, that goes along with what I've heard, that that attitude rules his business dealings. And that any disagreements are met with lawyer threats, and threats of ruining in the industry. I've also heard his contracts are very lopsided. <---NOTE these are things I've heard. I CANNOT substantiate them as true or false.

[Spackling Compound]

Look.

John might have been doing nothing but joking. We have joked back and forth and it looks like snark to most people, I'm sure.

I like John and I loved working with him, and it's probably just him kidding. If he was being serious, maybe that's how it looks to him, posting, "Hope this is cool," WHILE I'm posting. Maybe he thinks I should have asked first.

Or maybe it's like a previous poster said and John thinks I'm trying to 'paint him into a corner.'

It's a shame, but maybe it's just a misunderstanding. I certainly don't think this thread title is appropriate.

I think John was just playing along with the first line. Like "Can I ask you a question?" "You just did." That sort of thing.

[THEDOC]

All I know I asked him a few years back at WW-Chicago for a sketch of Rog-2000, in a book I keep of artist sketches and autograph I have gotten through out the years, which I hope be kept in the family as a family treasure, so what he did was sign his name on a page of an Al Wiliamson sketch. Bastard!!!

[Lester C.]

Liefield is a nice guy.. he is a bit full of himself online but I only hear nice things about him from people that have actually meet him..

From a professional standpoint he has ticked people off but has gotten nothing but praise from a personal standpoint. Even when he and the Image guys were going at it in court, they still talked about how much they liked each other.

[Jae Namkyoung]

It's short for Tamrynnialynnmeister Rex.

*GASP* How did you know that was my REAL NAME!

Note: If anyone has me on aim... You can understand that part.

[TheTalkingGuy]

Liefeld's done much worse than just be a hack artist. That's what he's most well known for, but he didn't get kicked out of Image for being a shitty artist. He got kicked out for shady business practices, which he still continues to this day. Soliciting stuff that never comes out, starting new series without any intent to finish them, screwing with fellow creators.

And I guarantee Byrne wasn't joking. He's been acting this way since their working relationship ended. It's easy to connect the dots.

[sweetdreams]

Yay, fixed.

He did leave it up though and the cause is what matters right?
Good luck with the auctions and all. :smile:

[ShaunN]

It looks like John Byrne considered Gail's post to be a protocol violation. However, he also comes across as a real ass - if he felt that protocal was violated, he could have stated his concerns in a personal email to Gail, rather than behaving like a jerk.

[bert]

It looks like John Byrne considered Gail's post to be a protocol violation. However, he also comes across as a real ass - if he felt that protocal was violated, he could have stated his concerns in a personal email to Gail, rather than behaving like a jerk.

eh.

it's his board, he can do what he wants in terms of Protocol.

and to be fair, your comment would apply to Gail as well (he points out she has HIS email).

While he may not be the "friendliest" creator on the web, in my opinion, I still don't think this was anything that needed to be carried off Byrnerobotics. Especially since the post remained.

just my 2cents

[Gail Simone]

Well, John's response makes it pretty clear he wasn't kidding.

It's a bit baffling to me, but honestly, I wish I'd never posted there. The rules of that message board are so arcane and odd that it's easy to walk on a landmine even with the best of intentions.

It's unfortunate, but it's John's board, he can run it how he likes.

[Gail Simone]

It looks like John Byrne considered Gail's post to be a protocol violation. However, he also comes across as a real ass - if he felt that protocal was violated, he could have stated his concerns in a personal email to Gail, rather than behaving like a jerk.

"Protocol violation."

Good lord, I hate this kind of nonsense. It's a post about a benefit. It should offend no one.

Bleah.

Whatever, it's unimportant, what's important is that RIDICULOUSLY great list of people who donated, who restored my faith in the generosity and kindness of the entire industry.

[Kyuubi]

I'm surprised he didn't tell you to get off his lawn.

[the4thpip]

Didn't John ban somebody from his board for reading consolations posted by other posters at the funeral of a long-time poster? My memory is a bit fuzzy on that.

But there are lots of instances where he seems to have an almost autistic focus on silly little rules while being completely blind to the larger picture.

[Gail Simone]

It's his board.

I've asked him to delete the whole thread. If I could have done it myself, I would have.

[Free-Man]

Even if it was his forum and Gail was in the wrong, who the fuck says something that awful?

[Kyuubi]

It doesn't really excuse his behavior. No one else reacted like that, did they?

[Lester C.]

It's not all bad. The topic of the thread, a very worthy cause, is getting much more attention than it would have had there not been any drama.

[spidervenom]

I'm speaking just from my point of view, and I know Gail has worked with him. But, she doesn't have to put up or justify that asshole because it's his board. Frankly, If I met the man, I pop him one in the mouth. If he ever has a serious medical condition, he can rot for all I care. I know i'm speaking out of line, I apoligise if anyone is offended. 'cept MR Big Wig Mr Byrne.

[Aspield]

Tosser.

I haven't supported his work in a long time. The only stuff I got was the stuff he did with Gail (because she tricked me into it with all her twisty Secret 6 and BOP goodness - the hellion!).

I adored him in the 1980s, but ever since he got online -- and particularly since his "race jokes" are not funny to me, I've avoided the gigantic bitter pill that is... Mr. Byrne.

THANK GOODNESS THE OSTRANDER AUCTION IS GOING WELL!

[Gail Simone]

Honestly, I don't want to keep this stuff going. It turns into a huge drama, ends up in Rich's awful column, and none of that is important and just takes away from the benefit.

[Corrina]

I'm locking the thread, to keep this from escaling, as Gail is worried about.