Doom Patrol #1 Discussion and Spoilers [Archive]

Gitaroo_Dude

08-05-2009, 03:42 PM

This was my introduction to the Doom Patrol, and I'm happy to say that it exceeded my expectations. Giffen really did a great job at giving me a feel for each character in the span of only a few pages. The Negative Man has already become one of my favorite characters. Great team dynamic, a sense of humor that seems tailor written for me, and good art to boot.

Seriously, what's not to love about a singularity that wants to negotiate terms? :biggrin:

Really like how Giffen seems to be having a field day with this book, because the excitement really is palpable and as a reader I love that.

Joe Franklin

08-05-2009, 03:44 PM

How many pages was the Metal Men backup story?

And how did it read?

Karl O'Neill

08-05-2009, 03:58 PM

Good feedback always helps me decide with titles like this. I still may pick it up.

TROUBLEZ

08-05-2009, 04:13 PM

I like most of Giffen's work and I've been a little interested in the Silver Age Doom Patrol after reading about them in the JUSTICE mini series.

The art looked great, but the costume designs looked kind of Wildstorm-generic, plus it was 3.99.
Then I saw that Keith Giffen, JM DeMatteis and Kevin Maguire are doing the METAL MEN back up in the issue.
That sealed the deal for me.

I have to say I liked both features very much! And it took me awhile to finish unlike most DC books where you can read them in 3 minutes.

earl

08-05-2009, 04:35 PM

Keith Giffen has been making comics for over 30 years and one of the titles he always wanted a crack at was The Doom Patrol, so I am hoping for the best. I could see Giffen's sense of humor working pretty well with these characters.

bebop

08-05-2009, 04:37 PM

I still don´t know if my budget will allow me to get it. But it sure sounds great, Doom Patrol AND Metal Men in one issue. Hard not to want it.

Green Griffin

08-05-2009, 04:37 PM

I'll be picking it up on Friday, couldn't make it to the store today.

Dave G.

08-05-2009, 04:45 PM

Have to say this was a great first issue. The art was fantastic and the story has lots of possibilities. I'm hoping Giffen will tie in more with Morrison's DP run. Giffen's Negative Man reminds me alot of Rebis and The Chief is a bastard, just the way I like him. And what they did to Nudge is just wrong on many levels.

The Metal Men backup - One word

BWAAAHAAA!

It's the JLI all over again, and that's a good thing!

TROUBLEZ

08-05-2009, 04:54 PM

Dave G.

08-05-2009, 05:20 PM

This isn't Nudge's first apperance?

This is my official intro to Doom Patrol so I was expecting a little more of Silver Age wholesome-ness to it. And I thought their name was just for dramatic effect.

I my favorite is Negative Man.

Nudge and Grunt first appeared in the John Byrne DP series a few years ago. As for the Silver Age, even then, the book was considered edgy. I would wholly recommend picking up Morrison's DP run in trade, and that will give you a taste of what the modern DP is all about.

Dave G.

08-05-2009, 05:20 PM

And in case I forgot to mention, don't bother with the Byrne DP. Not worth it. He was the Jeph Loeb of his day.

Gitaroo_Dude

08-05-2009, 05:25 PM

How many pages was the Metal Men backup story?

And how did it read?

Fantastic. McGuire has really great comedy chops. Loved his facial expressions. And the plot elicited several out-loud-laughs. I'm not sure which feature I enjoyed more really, both hit the spot.

Lemurion

08-05-2009, 05:41 PM

I picked it up - loved the old-school checkerboard on the cover.

Doom Patrol: Clark's art was fantastic. I loved the look. I enjoyed the book, but it wasn't quite good enough to jump onto the pull list based on the lead feature. I'd say good but still on probation.

Metal Men: Wow! This was good stuff - best thing I've read this week. A complete story in ten pages. Everything just worked together.,

CYOTI

08-05-2009, 08:20 PM

Both stories were crap and certainly not worth the cover price. Art was pretty bad for DP while the comedy was incredibly stale for MM.

FanboyStranger

08-05-2009, 08:24 PM

I'm a huge fan of Morrison's dP run (and Arcudi's run, too) so I did have a little trepidation coming into this. However, that worry was unfounded-- the dP story was well done. I especially liked how the Chief was still presented as being a total prick. And I actually loved the Metal Men backup. Maguire is still the best in the business in terms of facial expressions, and Giffen and DeMatteis kept it light and fun. It may get tedious if they keep going back to the well with things like the "oh, Copper was there?" bits, but as far as a first shot, it definitely hit the mark.

HaroldAllnut

08-05-2009, 08:32 PM

How many pages was the Metal Men backup story?

And how did it read?

It went utterly fantastic! Maguire hasn't lost his touch at all, and Giffen and DeMatteis are sharp as ever when it comes to humor and characterization.

I have to say I liked both features very much! And it took me awhile to finish unlike most DC books where you can read them in 3 minutes.

That is a very good observation! It didn't take forever to read in that it was dialogue-heavy or slow-moving, but the story sow some complex seeds and you, as a reader, definitely want to catch all of it.

Clarke's turning out some great art, as well.

IvCNuB4

08-06-2009, 08:29 AM

I picked it up - loved the old-school checkerboard on the cover.

They're tearing through the cover of Doom Patrol #109

http://www.comic-covers.com/DC/DCC-G/DoomPatrol/images/doom-patrol-109.JPG

Vic Vega

08-06-2009, 08:45 AM

I liked the Metal Men backup way more than the Doom Patrol story.

Yes, the DP are freakish and angsty. Yawn.

If I want to read about unlikeable protagonists I'll buy Secret 6.

But I'd love a Metal Men book done by Giffin and McGuire.

Sandy Hausler

08-06-2009, 09:40 AM

And in case I forgot to mention, don't bother with the Byrne DP. Not worth it. He was the Jeph Loeb of his day.

While I agree with you with respect to the Doom Patrol, John Byrne has done A LOT of good stuff in his career (as has Jeph Loeb). Doom Patrol was just not part of the good stuff he's done.

But that's just my opinion.

Sandy Hausler

Bevbos

08-06-2009, 09:55 AM

I was pretty disappointed with this book, I hate to say. Doom Patrol featured some kind of generic really hot scientist type stripping down and then turning into a monster within the course of 4 or 5 PANELS, and of course she was breeding some kind of weird clone/monster army... oh, and some character who isn't even introduced by name is blown away and Robotman turns around and says "No! Not HER!!!," as though the reader had any compelling reason whatsoever to ask "Why NOT her?" ...all the characters are angsty, and there's one central character there to help them...

Very standard superhero comic book trope, not very charmingly done.

And then the Metal Men backup, which is what I was really excited about... sigh... why is Tina all of the sudden a brassy, smart-mouthed character? Why is Gold all of the sudden a narcisscist? Reminds me of Giffen's Defenders from a few years back... just sort of a parody layered on top of a concept that is ridiculous enough without all the characters being portrayed as stereotypes and buffoons.

Really too bad, because I think both properties are great and I would have loved to have followed this book.

JesseG.

08-06-2009, 10:50 AM

This didn't blow me away, but I will still pick up #2. I think the Metal Men backup is what will keep me around for the long haul, if I do end up sticking with this.

... and I really didn't like how they left the monkey in the jungle. I figure Giffen has his reasons for doing it, but stuff like that upsets my delicate fanboy sensibilities.

jAWSH!

08-06-2009, 11:24 AM

This book's gonna be a hard one to gauge for me. Metal Men was a lot of fun, but Doom Patrol left a lot to be desired. Very bland so far. I wanna like this book, so I'll stick around for at least the first arc.

Giffen can write great books, but I think he's a bit off the mark with Doom Patrol. It looks to me like we're not going to get much in the way of interesting or unique threats. Momma Monster Breeder science lady was incredibly unimpressive, as were her monster crop. No sense of impending doom, just vanilla villain of the month.

Grade: Doom Patrol - C, Metal Men - A

ryerye17

08-06-2009, 11:27 AM

it was kind of nice. i was a little confused about "two new characters" and it wasn't until I read this post that I figured out they were just...expendable new people

Sandy Hausler

08-06-2009, 03:00 PM

I wondered why they referenced the Byrne characters. I thought this was a reboot.

Sandy Hausler

jv2k

08-06-2009, 05:04 PM

I loved the metal men backup(even if platinum's Snarkier and Gold is a self absorbed prick now) but the main story was just... eh. We see a generic character get shot up(which although the rest of the art was good this scene took me a few looks before I got that it was the helicopters that shot her and not the gorrilla) followed by a bunch of angst and whining. "Life sucks, this is the DOOM Patrol, I'm sad that I was jelous, wah wah wah."

I think I'll skip buying the rest of this series.

Dave G.

08-06-2009, 06:17 PM

While I agree with you with respect to the Doom Patrol, John Byrne has done A LOT of good stuff in his career (as has Jeph Loeb). Doom Patrol was just not part of the good stuff he's done.

But that's just my opinion.

Sandy Hausler

I agree. Byrne's Fantastic Four is still the best the book has ever been. I guess I should have said that Byrne, like Loeb, did all his great work early in his career. The later stuff for both creators has been less than stellar.

Will.S

08-06-2009, 09:38 PM

I really want to check this out, especially given how Giffen wants to make it accessible.

However I think I'll trade wait for the time being.

Shatterpoint

08-06-2009, 10:34 PM

They're tearing through the cover of Doom Patrol #109

I'm so confused. I thought they were tearing through Doom Patrol #121.

:confused:

Melfice

08-06-2009, 10:54 PM

I'm so confused. I thought they were tearing through Doom Patrol #121.

:confused:

I think you are right. Its the cover of #121 on DC's website, but the cover in stores is not the same thing. They must have changed it to #109 for some reason

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Doompatrol121.JPG

http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=12457

BeastieRunner

08-06-2009, 11:55 PM

Finally a good DC proper book on the rack again.

The Metal Men back up had be laughing on every page.

Mister Blisterfists

08-07-2009, 02:25 AM

really wish two pages of my copy (and every other copy at my LCS) hadn't been glued together.

pisses me off.

anyway, I'm a fan of the Doom Patrol. Have been for ages. Glad to see them back in print, hope it lasts. I really want this team to be DC's "Fantastic Four", except I want it to be good.

Especially considering that this is the team that not only inspired the Fantastic Four, but ALSO the X-Men.

I'm on board for now. I may have to drop some stuff to keep up with it, but that's okay. I am gonna hafta replace that #1 at some point though, since I don't want a copy that's jacked.

Leocomix

08-07-2009, 06:17 AM

Not too impressed by the DP. I don't understand why Rocky Davis is a priest.
The best stuff is the Metal Men, totally worth it. I hope the main feature improves because that's going to be a hard choice. (and with the preview we have a third Giffen title, that guy rolls)

The DP and teh Challengers can be done as the FF. And BTW it's the Challs who inspired the FF, the DP came after the FF.

IvCNuB4

08-07-2009, 08:35 AM

really wish two pages of my copy (and every other copy at my LCS) hadn't been glued together.

pisses me off..

Was it pages (not counting ads) 18 and 19 ? The ones with Rita and Karen talking ? Mine were somewhat glued towards the spine but not enough that I couldn't read the pages ....

Lemurion

08-07-2009, 09:21 AM

Was it pages (not counting ads) 18 and 19 ? The ones with Rita and Karen talking ? Mine were somewhat glued towards the spine but not enough that I couldn't read the pages ....

Mine was the same way.

BeastieRunner

08-07-2009, 10:55 AM

Mine was the same way.

Mine was, too.

jAWSH!

08-07-2009, 11:05 AM

John Byrne has done A LOT of good stuff in his career

Very true. His Superman run is what started my collecting hobby. Best stuff he's ever written in my opinion.

His Doom Patrol? Complete rubbish. Nice art, though.

... and I really didn't like how they left the monkey in the jungle. I figure Giffen has his reasons for doing it, but stuff like that upsets my delicate fanboy sensibilities.

I believe this is something that will most likely be addressed in a future issue. Maybe Grunt will return as a villain, with Nudge's Brain in a metal and glass skull-podium?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Brainmallah.png

:biggrin:

pariah-1972

08-07-2009, 12:06 PM

I wasn't crazy about them killing off a brand new character actually it kind of pissed me off a bit, especially the way it was drawn that didn't look like what a person shot down in a hail of gun fire bullets should look like at all.

I do like how cerebral this issue felt and the art besides the part i complained about is nice.

i'm hoping we get more weirdness and less gloom and doom cause i'm really sick and tired of almost all the Dc books being like that.

spoon_jenkins

08-07-2009, 12:20 PM

Was it pages (not counting ads) 18 and 19 ? The ones with Rita and Karen talking ? Mine were somewhat glued towards the spine but not enough that I couldn't read the pages ....
Mine, too. I ended up pulling the pages apart to try to reach the dialogue and my pages ended up looking ugly. Not good, DC.

I'm so-so on this first issue. I like the Elast-Girl/Bumblebee scene best. But I'm worried that the bleakness won't be balanced out by other elements. I didn't read Byrne's Doom Patrol (don't read many current/recent comics), but I'm not that enthusiastic about killing a hero so casually.

The Metal Men feature was my favorite of the two. Maguire is such a perfect match for the Metal Men. The biggest drawback on the story was that the impatience with Tin was laid on too thick IMO. It felt more misanthropic than comedic.

pariah-1972

08-07-2009, 12:25 PM

I have to admit that i really don't get the metal men at all .

They are all metal robots with the same stretchy and shapeshifting powers but with different personalities?

I'm trying to read it but i really just don't get it.

spoon_jenkins

08-07-2009, 01:48 PM

I have to admit that i really don't get the metal men at all .

They are all metal robots with the same stretchy and shapeshifting powers but with different personalities?
They don't have identical powers. They're somewhat similar because they're metals, but their properties vary. So lead is good for shielding against radiation. Gold and platinum are good for conducting electricity. Iron is more durable than tin. And so on.

Mister Blisterfists

08-07-2009, 01:49 PM

sounds like a problem with the whole print run.

hope DC is aware of this mess.

titanfan

08-07-2009, 01:51 PM

I believe this is something that will most likely be addressed in a future issue. Maybe Grunt will return as a villain, with Nudge's Brain in a metal and glass skull-podium?

Yeah, I think that was the plan for them all along, would like to see it actually happen....

Dave G.

08-07-2009, 03:57 PM

I believe this is something that will most likely be addressed in a future issue. Maybe Grunt will return as a villain, with Nudge's Brain in a metal and glass skull-podium?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Brainmallah.png

:biggrin:

Love to see them as the newest members of the Brotherhood of Dada.

TROUBLEZ

08-07-2009, 04:04 PM

I wasn't crazy about them killing off a brand new character actually it kind of pissed me off a bit, especially the way it was drawn that didn't look like what a person shot down in a hail of gun fire bullets should look like at all.

i'm hoping we get more weirdness and less gloom and doom cause i'm really sick and tired of almost all the Dc books being like that.

I thought the gorilla was getting shot up. I guess the artist was trying to show how a BMF gun would virtually vaporize someone but having Grunt right behind her doesn't make sense. Do the bullets stop when they see him?

Also, I think your right. The title should be more weird. I know they don't want a Morrison retread, but they should really embrace the retro silliness of that era.

I think the Allred/Dorkin Metal Men was supposed to be like that and Didio said, "nah, too weird."
This is still a nice replacement for that team.

I love the Bwahahahaaha comics.

pariah-1972

08-07-2009, 04:37 PM

I thought the gorilla was getting shot up. I guess the artist was trying to show how a BMF gun would virtually vaporize someone but having Grunt right behind her doesn't make sense. Do the bullets stop when they see him?

Also, I think your right. The title should be more weird. I know they don't want a Morrison retread, but they should really embrace the retro silliness of that era.

I think the Allred/Dorkin Metal Men was supposed to be like that and Didio said, "nah, too weird."
This is still a nice replacement for that team.

I love the Bwahahahaaha comics.I like silly comics too especially if they can make me laugh or smile.

I'm starting to get into Ambush Bug since his last mini series but of course that never even finished so who knows when we will see the little guy again.

As for the weirdness i was only expecting it because of the previews i saw.

lead sharp

08-07-2009, 05:35 PM

Mister Blisterfists

08-07-2009, 06:26 PM

I believe the Doom Patrol came before the X Men (by a couple of months yes, but before).

That's what I said.

md62

08-07-2009, 09:17 PM

really wish two pages of my copy (and every other copy at my LCS) hadn't been glued together.

anyway, I'm a fan of the Doom Patrol. Have been for ages. Glad to see them back in print, hope it lasts. I really want this team to be DC's "Fantastic Four", except I want it to be good.

Especially considering that this is the team that not only inspired the Fantastic Four, but ALSO the X-Men.

I had the same problem with the two pages stuck together. I know DP came out several months before the X-Men. I feel Challengers of the Unknown was/is DC's FF considering Kirby had a hand in creating both. And on a side note I want Waid to write a new COTU series after his portrayal of them in his Brave & Bold run.

Anyways this volume of DP #1 was great. Giffen has a great handle on the characters. I'm glad he acknowledged Byrne's recent relaunch of the DP even though it involved getting rid of Nudge & Grunt. Clark's art was awesome. There were so many moments that have been mentioned that made the story great but I really enjoyed Elasti-Woman taking down the heliocopter. The Metal Men back up was perfect also. With the creative team of Giffen, DeMatteis & MaGuire reunited & this off beat group of robots it was a fun story. Having the two stories in each issue makes this a very different book. DC seems to be doing well with their co-features...

jAWSH!

08-08-2009, 12:23 AM

Yeah, I think that was the plan for them all along, would like to see it actually happen....

Love to see them as the newest members of the Brotherhood of Dada.

Are Monsieur Mallah and the Brain dead? Can Salvation Run have happened on, like, Earth-51 or something? :frown:

I'm hoping the Doom Patrol story improves, but I'm grateful for the awesomeness of Metal Men. Gaudy Gold, Immovable Iron, Lethargic Lead, Tina the human robot, Malleable Mercury, Thin Tin Tin, and the new one... what's her name?

Kent H

08-08-2009, 07:23 AM

I wondered why they referenced the Byrne characters. I thought this was a reboot.

Sandy Hausler

After Byrne rebooted it in the first place, I think they decided reboot is a dirty word.

Are Monsieur Mallah and the Brain dead? Can Salvation Run have happened on, like, Earth-51 or something? :frown:

They've died several times before. Someone clones them afterwards every time.

DeTroyes

08-08-2009, 08:08 AM

They've died several times before. Someone clones them afterwards every time.

Yeah, I was just going to say that. In fact, there was a major arc in Outsiders just before Salvation Run where Brain & Mallah were making clones of superheroes and selling them off as supersoldiers. It would not surprise me to learn that the Brain & Mallah in Salvation Run turn out ot be clones.

They will be back, eventually. It just wouldn't be the Doom Patrol without at least a few appearances by Mallah and the Brain.

lead sharp

08-08-2009, 06:57 PM

That's what I said.

Crap, sorry, I need more sleep, or less shifts.

Anyone Else's posts suffering because real life is getting in the way?

joemagnum611

08-08-2009, 10:49 PM

So what happened to the Doom Patrol from Teen Titans? I know that Mentalo is supposed to show up soon but did they say anything about Vox and Bumblebee?

pariah-1972

08-08-2009, 10:51 PM

So what happened to the Doom Patrol from Teen Titans? I know that Mentalo is supposed to show up soon but did they say anything about Vox and Bumblebee?Bumblebee was in this issue:confused:

joao_miranda

08-09-2009, 07:10 AM

Are Monsieur Mallah and the Brain dead? Can Salvation Run have happened on, like, Earth-51 or something? :frown:

I'm hoping the Doom Patrol story improves, but I'm grateful for the awesomeness of Metal Men. Gaudy Gold, Immovable Iron, Lethargic Lead, Tina the human robot, Malleable Mercury, Thin Tin Tin, and the new one... what's her name?

I kind of think that the Nudge and Grunt will be the new Brain and Monsieur Mallah. It seems the reason why Giffen made them dissapear into the jungle, instead of killing both or taking the monkey with them.

pariah-1972

08-09-2009, 08:25 AM

I guess i don't mind them so much killing a brand new character, since it was used to further the psycho analysis of the team, but i felt like her being shot could have been drawn so much better than the mess we got on page where we don't even see a corpse, which is really weird cause the rest of the issue was really nicely drawn and had lots of nice details.

Gitaroo_Dude

08-09-2009, 10:10 AM

I'm kind of surprised a lot of people thought this had too much angst.

Maybe it's because I associate angst with teenagers and usually envision it along the lines of "Boohoo, my life sucks, no one understands me, etc." With the Doom Patrol, their attitude strikes me much more as a defense mechanism due to their profession,

pariah-1972

08-09-2009, 10:12 AM

matt levin

08-09-2009, 11:02 AM

I think this is going to be the next Vertigo hit. Yeah, yeah, I know it's DCU and not Vertigo, and that's a good thing--it puts certain limitations of Giffen, who I think needs them, forces him to be at his sharpest--but what I mean is, hoping this first issue gives reason to expect more like, and better, this Doom Patrol appeals to me and I'm a big Vertigo fan; I'm also a big fan of Independent Press comics. I like this DP's tone, and conversations; within its context, it makes sense to me these people'd feel as they do (except Niles: who would WANT to be as big as SOB as he plays?) and speak about it (or not...) as they do.

I'm about to start a re-read of the 1990 series, starting at #26 thru 61 (which is maybe the Morrison run?); it's what I've saved from then. It'll be interesting to compare. The deaths of Nudge and Grunt (with whom I wasn't familiar) didn't bother me because it clearly bothered the rest of the DP. Seems most murder mysteries begin with killing barely named characters, for me to've noticed this as out of place in a story. And yes, my copy's pages were 'glued,' too. It's a printing fault, let it go, yes?

I've often been a Cliff, fan, but this issue I'm definitely liking Larry Trainor (and maybe for the first time, too). His clearly deliberately off the mark humor resonates with mine.

As so many have already remarked, this is a thought-full book, and I like that.
As for the Metal Men, well that was fun. And that could be the good balance to the lead story. Glad so many liked this enough to come back again.

Sandy Hausler

08-09-2009, 11:10 AM

After Byrne rebooted it in the first place, I think they decided reboot is a dirty word.

That's never stopped the Legion. Why should it stop the Doom Patrol?

Sandy Hausler

Karl O'Neill

08-09-2009, 11:15 AM

Really liked the first issue. So I will come back for more. The metal men really impressed me. The art was great.

Chemical King

08-09-2009, 12:47 PM

Art was good, Doom patrol story though left me not very excited about it. Don't see where this is supposed to go yet.

Surprisingly, I totally liked the Metal men backup. That one was just pure fun.

As I bought this one for Giffens involvement alone, I will keep on buying it for the time being.

Those Nudge and Grunt characters were out of John Byrnes JLA Doom Patrol story, weren't they? Can't look it up cause I sold them last year. Seems like Byrnes characters did have no potential in Giffens eyes...

pariah-1972

08-09-2009, 01:10 PM

DeTroyes

08-09-2009, 01:46 PM

I wonder if Byrne has made any comments about Giffen's treatment of his Doom Patrol characters.

diablo7

08-09-2009, 03:27 PM

i didn't care for the doompatrol story that much. the costumes are horrible and the artwork was ok. i loved the metalmen backup and it was the main reason why i bought the issue. now if there was a way to slowly change the book to metalmen and have the doompatrol as the backup. :)

Dave G.

08-09-2009, 04:49 PM

I'm about to start a re-read of the 1990 series, starting at #26 thru 61 (which is maybe the Morrison run?); it's what I've saved from then.

Make sure you stick around for Rachel Pollack's under appriciated run. Very good stuff, especially when she started working with Ted McKeever.

Doc Goblin

08-09-2009, 06:51 PM

Never been a Doom Patrol fan and only had limited exposure to them. But I checked this out anyway because I've been a big fan of Giffen's work lately. This did not disappoint. A few more issues of this and I can count myself as a Doom Patrol fan.

I liked the focus on only the core three. It really lets Giffen flesh them out and make each one interesting in their own rights. I'm liking the somewhat political stuff with Oolong Island too. That should be lots of fun.

As for the Metal Men co-feature, it was entertaining enough. Never really got the appeal of the Metal Men though. To me it's always been a concept that seems like it could be more interesting than it has ever really been written.

rick

08-09-2009, 06:58 PM

The Doom Patrol story was alright, but nothing special.

Metal Men on the other hand was the best story I read this month.

theXfactor

08-10-2009, 03:41 PM

I'm already in love with the series! can't wait for more!

Ghost Shark

08-10-2009, 04:04 PM

I'll stick with this one. I have faith in Giffen, and I love what he's donw with the DP and the Metal Men so far. Plus, it's just cool to see the JLI team together again!

DeTroyes

08-10-2009, 04:10 PM

Make sure you stick around for Rachel Pollack's under appriciated run. Very good stuff, especially when she started working with Ted McKeever.

Not to mention created one of the most under-appreciated supervillains ever... Codpiece!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Kl2bpfZnxhQ/RfPzGS0VJ1I/AAAAAAAAADg/svKL65UtW9c/s400/codpiece.jpg

Dave G.

08-10-2009, 05:45 PM

Not to mention created one of the most under-appreciated supervillains ever... Codpiece!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Kl2bpfZnxhQ/RfPzGS0VJ1I/AAAAAAAAADg/svKL65UtW9c/s400/codpiece.jpg

God, Codpiece...

I laughed like an idiot the first time I read that issue.

Zeraze

08-10-2009, 10:25 PM

As much as I liked the Metal Men backup, it sounds like I might be one of the few who preferred the Doom Patrol story.

pariah-1972

08-10-2009, 10:47 PM

As much as I liked the Metal Men backup, it sounds like I might be one of the few who preferred the Doom Patrol story.Me personally i just can't get into the Metal Men to me it just seems like one of those wacky comics books that gets rebooted every few years.

ClareQuilty

08-11-2009, 06:39 AM

Nudge and Grunt first appeared in the John Byrne DP series a few years ago. As for the Silver Age, even then, the book was considered edgy. I would wholly recommend picking up Morrison's DP run in trade, and that will give you a taste of what the modern DP is all about.

Sorry, I'd have to disagree with your recommendation of the GM Doom Patrol. While I always enjoy Giffen, this incarnation of the Doom Patrol is still pretty standard superhero stuff.

GM's DP run was just fantastically weird and wonderful and was most definitely NOT standard superhero stuff. If people are digging Giffens run, and that is their taste, then, to disagree with another poster on this thread, Id recommend the DC Showcase Doom Patrol V1 or even the Byrne run. Both of which would be more likely suited to those who like Giffens DP.

FWIW - I wont be buying this run. I predict this will wind up being cancelled before too long.

Dave G.

08-11-2009, 04:16 PM

Sorry, I'd have to disagree with your recommendation of the GM Doom Patrol. While I always enjoy Giffen, this incarnation of the Doom Patrol is still pretty standard superhero stuff.

GM's DP run was just fantastically weird and wonderful and was most definitely NOT standard superhero stuff. If people are digging Giffens run, and that is their taste, then, to disagree with another poster on this thread, Id recommend the DC Showcase Doom Patrol V1 or even the Byrne run. Both of which would be more likely suited to those who like Giffens DP.

FWIW - I wont be buying this run. I predict this will wind up being cancelled before too long.

While I agree that Morrison's DP was incredibly far removed from "standard superhero stuff", I still think it is more like what Giffen is doing in the new DP than Byrne's reboot. Larry in particular reminds me an awful lot of Rebis.

The point I'm making is that this run of DP will be more super-hero like simply because it is a DC Universe title, not Vertigo. Hopefully Giffen can give us a mixture of all the incarnations of the DP. I think he can.

carabas

08-11-2009, 04:45 PM

The point I'm making is that this run of DP will be more super-hero like simply because it is a DC Universe title, not Vertigo. Hopefully Giffen can give us a mixture of all the incarnations of the DP. I think he can.Morrison's version was plain DCU as well. It predates Vertigo. It's only with the trades that it picked up the Vertigo label.

Morrison wanted to update Drake's Doom Patrol acurately, claimng that that wasn't exactly a normal superhero book either.

And Drake has said that of all those who worked on his creations after him, Morrison was the one that got the point of the Doom Patrol the best.

But Giffen's run is one issue in. I think it is a tad too early to see where he's going to go with it.
His casually dispatching of the remains of the Byrne Patrol stems me hopeful.

jAWSH!

08-11-2009, 06:20 PM

The promise of a sentient black hole gives me hope that this series will improve. I'm on board for the next issue!

janthonyh

08-12-2009, 03:13 PM

so last week i had to pass this up because i only get three titles a week (self-imposed/money reasons) i'm kinda pissed, because i hear a lot of good things about it. I go to get it today and it was sold out! I think i really missed out. I love metal men, and i wanted to try out doom patrol as i enjoy giffen's work. anyone else miss out because it was already sold out?

protege

08-12-2009, 03:49 PM

My first impression is, I'm not liking the dp too much- My favorite member is Bumblebee, and she didn't do anything yet. Least favorite has to be negative man- who looks really bizarre with the total bandage look- (No eyelids) and were those tatoos on his wrappings? I don't know anything about the girl who died, or the Gorilla that carried her body into the jungle, but hey, they were expendable, right? and where's VOX? As for the metal men, again, some i liked, some i didn't. Tin is too cowardly for me, Gold needs to turn it down a notch, and I don't know what to make of Tina and copper. I'll give this book a few more issues to impress me, though.

GoodClone

08-12-2009, 08:29 PM

I liked this issue, like many I thought the back-up was better than the lead-in.

I wish that we were seeing the DP that Johns set up in the Teen Titans (when I was actually reading the title). An interesting and twisted dynamic was created by Johns that appears to be discarded.:frown:

DeTroyes

08-12-2009, 10:58 PM

I wish that we were seeing the DP that Johns set up in the Teen Titans (when I was actually reading the title). An interesting and twisted dynamic was created by Johns that appears to be discarded.:frown:

I agree. While I do like Giffen's take and am looking forward to it, I can't help but wonder what Johns' team would have been like had it gone forward. Especially considering that the set-up that Johns envisioned would have given a prominent role to one of my favorite characters, Garfield Logan (Johns suggested title for the proposed series was Beast Boy and the Doom Patrol).

Probably just as well, though. I don't think Johns really had the time to actually work on it, and I doubt anyone else could have pulled off that twisted and complex a superhero team set-up.

Mr Wesley

08-12-2009, 11:36 PM

I thought it was okay. I was a little bit disappointed, but only because I was so looking forward to the Metal Men backup, which really disappointed me.

But am I the only one in the free world who noticed that Father Rocky was wearing the same Hawaiian shirt The Joker does when he paralyzes Barbara Gordon in The Killing Joke? The only place I've seen it referenced anywhere was in my own column. (http://www.examiner.com/x-19312-Columbus-Comic-Books-Examiner~y2009m8d10-What-is-the-connection-between-the-Doom-Patrol-and-the-Joker-in-Batman-The-Killing-Joke)

Mr Wesley

08-12-2009, 11:39 PM

Morrison's version was plain DCU as well. It predates Vertigo. It's only with the trades that it picked up the Vertigo label.
I could be wrong, but I believe Morrison was still writing Doom Patrol when it migrated to the Vertigo imprint along with Animal Man and Swamp Thing.

carabas

08-13-2009, 12:48 AM

I could be wrong, but I believe Morrison was still writing Doom Patrol when it migrated to the Vertigo imprint along with Animal Man and Swamp Thing.The final issue of Animal Man predates Vertigo by three years.
Vertigo was already around when Morrison's Doom Patrol ended, but the book changed imprints immediately after Morrison left, with Pollock's first issue.

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The Crime Dentist

08-13-2009, 02:20 PM

Larry in particular reminds me an awful lot of Rebis.

The new wise-cracking Hawkeye/Human Torch Negative Man reminds you of an awful lot of an aloof spiritually evolved cosmic hermaphrodite who's half a black woman?

In what way, exactly?

jAWSH!

08-13-2009, 09:22 PM

The new wise-cracking Hawkeye/Human Torch Negative Man reminds you of an awful lot of an aloof spiritually evolved cosmic hermaphrodite who's half a black woman?

In what way, exactly?

LOL

Human Torch/Hawkeye just about sums up what we've seen of this ... revised? Negative Man. Not that it's a bad thing, but it's not like Rebis; other than they both wear bandages and were once called Larry Trainor.

Blackhawkk

08-14-2009, 01:36 AM

The Crime Dentist

08-14-2009, 11:16 AM

Contiunity please?

I'm lost. Was there a zero issue? Granted, I haven't read Doom Patrol since Grant Morrison/Rachel Pollack so I'm hoping someone can update me.

I miss the days of Rebis (so is Larry Trainor free from his "female side"?) and Crazy Jane and Josh (a leftover from the Paul Kupperberg days) and the monkey girl.

John Byrne did a DP series after that which pretended the Vertigo series never happened, it just started with a saner Chief, all the original characters intact and no mention of Dorothy or Crazy Jane et al. This series seems to sort of be building off that one, Nudge and Grunt were Byrne characters.

I think at some point somebody mumbled something at a convention panel about it being a result of the history-warping effects of Infinite Crisis (the infamous Superboy Prime punch). I prefer to think that the world around the DP is so weird and full of non-sequiturs that it all happened, it just doesn't make any sense because things around the Doom Patrol often don't.

ClareQuilty

08-14-2009, 11:26 AM

I prefer to think that the world around the DP is so weird and full of non-sequiturs that it all happened, it just doesn't make any sense because things around the Doom Patrol often don't.

Sounds good to me. Lets go with that...

Dave G.

08-14-2009, 01:31 PM

The new wise-cracking Hawkeye/Human Torch Negative Man reminds you of an awful lot of an aloof spiritually evolved cosmic hermaphrodite who's half a black woman?

In what way, exactly?

Mostly in the way Negative Man talks. Same type of nonsensical style of speaking. (although I'll admit, there was alot of that in the Morrison DP)

Dave G.

08-14-2009, 01:33 PM

John Byrne did a DP series after that which pretended the Vertigo series never happened, it just started with a saner Chief, all the original characters intact and no mention of Dorothy or Crazy Jane et al. This series seems to sort of be building off that one, Nudge and Grunt were Byrne characters.

I think at some point somebody mumbled something at a convention panel about it being a result of the history-warping effects of Infinite Crisis (the infamous Superboy Prime punch). I prefer to think that the world around the DP is so weird and full of non-sequiturs that it all happened, it just doesn't make any sense because things around the Doom Patrol often don't.

Actually, in an issue of Teen Titans, I'm not sure which one, the DP remembered everything. All the previous Vertigo stories are now part of continuity. They blamed it all all 'The Superboy Punch".

carabas

08-14-2009, 05:30 PM

John Byrne did a DP series after that which pretended the Vertigo series never happened, it just started with a saner Chief, all the original characters intact and no mention of Dorothy or Crazy Jane et al.He went a bit further than that. It was a cold, hard reboot that removed all previous versions of the Doom Patrol from continuity. Including the original ArnoldDrake run, which made a mess of things like for instance leaving Beast Boy without an origin story.

Lupek

08-14-2009, 07:22 PM

I have mixed feelings about this one. I liked the interior art in both features but I thought the cover was pretty lackluster and don't care for the DP logo. More importantly though, I didn't think the Doom Patrol really had distinctive personalities in this. I get what Giffen was going for, that the team is shell shocked and dissaffected but the team came off as really douchey. I might be one of the few on here who enjoyed JB's Patrol but I don't have a problem with Giffen offing Nudge but it seemed too casual and unimportant, which yeah, shows how distant the other DP member are but still I it doesn't endear them to me. Metal Men was fun though.

And while I am a Max Ernst fan, I don't have any interest in seeing aspects of GM's Patrol talked about here, like Larry's feminine side, or sentient transvestite streets or Mallah and the Brain in love, carried over into this series. Hopefully they won't be.

DeTroyes

08-14-2009, 11:00 PM

He went a bit further than that. It was a cold, hard reboot that removed all previous versions of the Doom Patrol from continuity. Including the original ArnoldDrake run, which made a mess of things like for instance leaving Beast Boy without an origin story.

Although Geoff Johns did say that, if Byrne's reboot had caught on, he had a revised origin story for Beast Boy in mind (the first steps of which appear to have been in the "Beast Boys and Girls" arc of Teen Titans).

It ended up not being needed, but at least someone at DC was aware of the problem and were prepared to take the steps needed to fix it. Which is more than they often are when it comes to that kind of thing.

carabas

08-15-2009, 01:18 AM

And while I am a Max Ernst fan, I don't have any interest in seeing aspects of GM's Patrol talked about here, like Larry's feminine side, or sentient transvestite streets or Mallah and the Brain in love, carried over into this series. Hopefully they won't be.Mallah and the Brain in love was carried over years ago. But they're both dead so you're clear.

Drcharles

09-05-2009, 08:50 AM

I’ve just read this issue.....: frown:
The O/A story wasn't great. The art was lousy, and the uniforms were terrible, Robotman’s the worst, what’s all that about?
If their costumes were like those from the 60's/ Silver-age, then it wouldn't be so bad.
Why was Niles Caulders hair and beard Grey instead of Red like it used to be?
I think the whole series is Doomed.................

Metal Men

Pretty damned good the team of Giffen, Dematteis & Maguire can't be faulted.....
But will this pull in and keep readers; personally I’m going to be off this one by # 3 if the art on DP doesn't improve...........

Hulk_Is

09-08-2009, 01:28 AM

Well. I picked up ish #1 and overall - including the MM backup story - it was OK. What didn't satisfy me in DP was filled by pleasure from MM - so overall I feel I got my $'s worth.

The DP story was up my alley and I wanna see more of their unique missions, and especially the exploration of the characters' personalities. Sometimes reading it feels really off-beat (supposed to be), but as a reader I sometimes feel detached from alot of the dialogue.

The MM backup was much more entertaining than I thought it would be! My first foray into their comic was a pleasant suprise. It could very well be the reason I keep picking this book up altogether.

IvCNuB4

09-09-2009, 10:27 AM

I might be one of the few on here who enjoyed JB's Patrol but I don't have a problem with Giffen offing Nudge but it seemed too casual and unimportant, which yeah, shows how distant the other DP member are but still I it doesn't endear them to me...

Well, this (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090909-doom-patrol-giffen.html) may explain why Nudge was blown away so soon in the series :biggrin: