View Full Version : What if DC got the rights to the X-Men franchise for seven years?
[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite
08-05-2009, 02:50 PM
The "Put a DC spin on a Marvel character" thread gave me an idea. Specifically, the discussion right here.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=278424&page=4
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=278424&page=5
DC likes money. So does Warner. So let's say DC get's the rights to the X-franchise for 7 years. DC gets to work immediately and puts out a ton of X-books. What would be all the things that happen during the 7-year run on those books?
Note that everything from Marvel's X-Verse is given to DC Comics, including all related titles and characters. Also note that this is BEFORE House of M. So millions of mutants would still exist in the DCU.
So how does this change or alter the DCU mythos? And what effect would the DCU have on the X-verse mythos? Does anyone have any detailed idea the plots, stories and newer DCU characters would result from this? How would this also effect things like company-wide events, as well as certain aspects of the DCU, such as the Batman-verse, Superman-verse, Green Lantern-verse, JLA/JSA, etc.? And what X-focused company-wide crossover events would there be. In what other ways would this affect both the DCU and the X-verse in general?
Shellhead
08-05-2009, 03:27 PM
It's a bad fit, even worse than how the X-Men fit in the Marvel Universe. Let's face it, the general public in the MU likes Ben Grimm. It doesn't make sense for them to dislike mutants, because lots of mutants look human and are thus indistinguishable from regular heroes and villains.
For starters, how are they introduced to the DCU? A massive retcon would just suck. A sudden arrival would be weird, and there just wouldn't be the same mutant hatred because DCU Earth doesn't have a particular problem with metahumans outside of the Kingdom Come alternate reality. The other major option would be that they have been around but almost nobody noticed, like the Doom Patrol, only on a large and unlikely scale.
Munkiman
08-05-2009, 04:22 PM
They'd probably be better accepted. Which would kind of be missing the point of the X-Men, which is that the general public has an irrational hatred of them because their powers are genetic instead of super-soldier serum based.
...Seriously, they do plenty of good. I get that people might be afraid of the X-Men initially (I'm talking about the X-Men, not mutants in general), but you'd think eventually they'd realize that they're superheroes, just like the Fantastic Four and Captain America, and that it's extremely stupid to be prejudiced against superheroes who repeatedly do good deeds for no reward.
...I don't like the X-Men very much.
Damiean Dark
08-05-2009, 10:42 PM
It's a bad fit, even worse than how the X-Men fit in the Marvel Universe. Let's face it, the general public in the MU likes Ben Grimm. It doesn't make sense for them to dislike mutants, because lots of mutants look human and are thus indistinguishable from regular heroes and villains.
For starters, how are they introduced to the DCU? A massive retcon would just suck. A sudden arrival would be weird, and there just wouldn't be the same mutant hatred because DCU Earth doesn't have a particular problem with metahumans outside of the Kingdom Come alternate reality. The other major option would be that they have been around but almost nobody noticed, like the Doom Patrol, only on a large and unlikely scale.
The hatred for mutants in the MU is based on regular humans fear of mutants being the next stage in human evolution and not being as human as themselves or freaks of nature. Ben grimm was a well known military pilot and his association with Reed richards, probably the smartest man on the planet eased early public perceptions of him.
Xmen will never fit the DCU because they are a collection of individuals rather then a classic team would the DCU really stand for Wolverine killing (something he does far rarely then percieved by fans though imo) Emma frost willing to use her powers to wipe minds ect.
And who would they battle? Xmen without magneto,apocalypse,sinister ect would be a boring place imo.
Shellhead
08-05-2009, 10:47 PM
The hatred for mutants in the MU is based on regular humans fear of mutants being the next stage in human evolution and not being as human as themselves or freaks of nature. Ben grimm was a well known military pilot and his association with Reed richards, probably the smartest man on the planet eased early public perceptions of him.
Xmen will never fit the DCU because they are a collection of individuals rather then a classic team would the DCU really stand for Wolverine killing (something he does far rarely then percieved by fans though imo) Emma frost willing to use her powers to wipe minds ect.
And who would they battle? Xmen without magneto,apocalypse,sinister ect would be a boring place imo.
Is it public knowledge that Franklin Richards is a mutant? Because if it was, that would imply that all kinds of superheroes might be contributing to the next state in human evolution. And then that hysteria would logically target any metahumans, not just the self-proclaimed homo superior types.
Goshin
08-05-2009, 10:50 PM
Well for starters i'd bet money that Wolverine would bone batgirl within the first year......
Vidocq
08-05-2009, 11:00 PM
The way DC would work it out, in my opinion, would be by giving them one of their 52 universes (probably Earth 10 so they can call it Earth X) and just start it from zero like Ultimate X-Men did and let them play in their sanbox without the crossovers or shared Universe that would make the underlying message seem less important. Creating their own imprint just for X-Books it would run pretty much like Wildstorm does. They would Probably give it to Grant Morrison.
Damiean Dark
08-05-2009, 11:18 PM
Is it public knowledge that Franklin Richards is a mutant? Because if it was, that would imply that all kinds of superheroes might be contributing to the next state in human evolution. And then that hysteria would logically target any metahumans, not just the self-proclaimed homo superior types.
Yes and his own parents and many others feared him and tried to inhibit those powers. again only because he is reed richards son enabled him to be genrally excepted the FF and the avengers are the only really publicly sanctioned team on any level .
vinniewarlock
08-06-2009, 09:09 AM
For starters, how are they introduced to the DCU? A massive retcon would just suck. A sudden arrival would be weird, and there just wouldn't be the same mutant hatred because DCU Earth doesn't have a particular problem with metahumans outside of the Kingdom Come alternate reality. The other major option would be that they have been around but almost nobody noticed, like the Doom Patrol, only on a large and unlikely scale.
People, people... its DC Comics we are talking about here... Just do another CRISIS!! Call it CRISIS-X or something tacky like that.
Now, lets see: Hyper-mega-super-all-over-the-place event, throw in some good artist to make the covers and some ten year old kid to take care of the inside art (Standard DC Comics procedure), take the time to decide what do you want to be Cannon for the next six months and go with it, and don't worry if it doesn't work, after all, you can always reebot.
Next: Is there any character that you want to kill? Go ahead!! You can resurrect him on the next CRISIS anyway...
An then you can correct some injustices that occurred in the past like:
Having The Main Man, LOBO, to wipe the floor with Wolverine's face, as it is righteous but didn't happen on that ridiculous crossover some many years ago...
Have Dick Grayson score with Storm, Jean Grey, Kitty Pride, The White Queen, Magik, Psylocke, Rogue and any other female member of the team, just because he has a reputation to maintain.
Have Black Canary and Green Arrow divorced so that she can score with Cyclops, Wolverine, Colossus, Cannonball, Sunspot, Archangel, Prof. X, Nightcrawler, Gambit and any other male member of the team, Northstar included (throw a dice, Odd, he becomes straight after that, even, he's Bi), just because she has a reputation to maintain. (PS: don't forget to re-marry her to Ollie after that.)
Cure Prof X paralysis, just to piss off Oracle, that will remain the only hero in a wheelchair in the DC Universe.
Everybody with the same uniform?? No-No-No!!! This is DC Comics, people.. I want color!! I want Variety( Superman, Batman and Marvel families excluded, of course)!!
Superpowers that don't turn of and don't allow you to live a normal life? What's this? Wild Cards? Take of the visor, Scott, you're cured! Go ahead and touch everybody, Ann Marie, you're cured!
School?? forget the School... Now, just find an exotic and monumental place for your new headquarters... No, sorry, the Moon is taken... sorry again, the Legion Tower is taken too... Ok, ok,... just keep that place down in San Francisco, but revamp it!
More Lights! More futuristics! more... Fanboys, Groupies!! That's what you need!! people at your door asking for an autograph... leave the hostile mutant-burning hordes behind... Mutants? That's just another way to say Metahuman!! I can assure you, after you adapt to the DC reality, You will never want to go back to that depressive, so-not-cool Marvel reality!
[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite
08-06-2009, 09:42 AM
And who would they battle? Xmen without magneto,apocalypse,sinister ect would be a boring place imo.
Like I said, all characters related to the franchise still go with it.
Free-Man
08-06-2009, 09:44 AM
D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;9410221']Like I said, all characters related to the franchise still go with it.
Magneto would cerainly lose something though. Like a lot of people said, DC is pretty much universally accepting of most metahumans. So in a world where humans and supers more or less live in harmony, what would be Magneto's goals or motivations?
vinniewarlock
08-06-2009, 09:52 AM
Magneto would cerainly lose something though. Like a lot of people said, DC is pretty much universally accepting of most metahumans. So in a world where humans and supers more or less live in harmony, what would be Magneto's goals or motivations?
World Domination?
Free-Man
08-06-2009, 10:01 AM
World Domination?
That's just hackneyed and cliche. Leave that to Luthor and Doom.
Bevbos
08-06-2009, 10:07 AM
You'd have to make it so that the X-gene is contagious. That way people aren't just afraid of mutants, they're afraid of viruses. Of becoming mutants. Just like lots of people thought that AIDS could be spread by being in proximity to homosexuals in the early days of extreme ignorance on the subject.
Vic Vega
08-06-2009, 10:07 AM
Pretty much everything in the DCU is Black and White with no grey in between.
Look how Black Adam went from being an antihero to being a mass murderer.
The X-Men are all about shades of grey.
Thier leader has authorized the use of a death squad (X-Force) in extreme situations.
Magneto is sympathetic as often as not.
It is a really bad fit, the X-franchise in the DCU.
[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite
08-06-2009, 10:14 AM
Magneto would cerainly lose something though. Like a lot of people said, DC is pretty much universally accepting of most metahumans. So in a world where humans and supers more or less live in harmony, what would be Magneto's goals or motivations?
Magneto would probably mellow out, but what if he runs into a General Lane, Luthor (and if he has problems with Superman...), Col. Eiling, or Maxwell Lord type?
Even worse than bigotry, what if mutants are actively targeted because they have the X-gene. There would be the fear of forced experimentation for the purposes of cloning, replication of abilities for use in supersoldiers and other uses.
And there would still be people like Apocalypse, Cassandra Nova, the Hellfire Club, Sublime and Sinister.
Sublime would be interesting, because it's been hinted that he's responsible for the hatred of mutants.
Whirlwind Dinamo
08-06-2009, 10:55 AM
Too much history in a world that's very different to their own, I don't think they can fit in the DCU. Might be interesting to see Manhunter face off against people like Emma or Xavier, or see how the Bat would treat a sub culture of mutant misfits.
Overall I don't think the story would work
[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite
08-06-2009, 01:21 PM
Too much history in a world that's very different to their own, I don't think they can fit in the DCU. Might be interesting to see Manhunter face off against people like Emma or Xavier, or see how the Bat would treat a sub culture of mutant misfits.
Overall I don't think the story would work
Well, they have managed to make the Milestone characters and the Marvel Family fit.
Free-Man
08-06-2009, 01:42 PM
D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;9411368']Well, they have managed to make the Milestone characters and the Marvel Family fit.
Well, Milestone ony lasted about 5 years or so, and there was only about one years worth of story development in the books.
So in theory, you could say all the stuff like the Big Bang and Static's first appearance as a crime fighter happened in the Onye Year gap after Infinite Crisis.
Within the Marvel Universe, there's been at least ten or eleven years worth of history for the X-Men.
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