Cry For Justice #2 Discussion and Spoilers

[galactica]

I liked this issue better than the first but the dialogue and the art could use more emotion. It managed to touch quite a few corners of the DCU from Blackhawk Island(one of them), Jay and Flash museum, Jason Bard and we actually got to see Ray's reunion with some of his League teammates. Loved the last 3 pages

So what did you think?

[CBikle]

Yeah, I liked it too.

a couple of thoughts:

1 I like how Robinson remembered and incorporated the Captain Marvel Jr -Atom connection from their time together in the Teen Titans (boy those were some bad stories).

2 In the two-page "aftermath" spread of GL/GA's fight with the supervillains, I was surprised to see Scarecrow and Black Manta as two of the "B-list" supervillains.

3 Minor pet peeve, but I don't think the heroes should have been referring to each other by their "civilian names" in front of the unconscious (and one who was faking it) supervillains; just seems just a little too casual considering the circumstances and location.

[CYOTI]

Cry for Justice, top reason to deport james robinson back to england.

[galactica]

Cry for Justice, top reason to deport james robinson back to england.

So you didn't like this issue then?

[CBikle]

I think you see Robinson's best work, when he has a decent editor to work with.

On Starman, he worked with the legendary and beloved, Archie Goodwin; on Cry For Justice, he's been working with Eddie Berganza, who I'd argue is one of the worst editors working in comics today(everything he's involved with seems to turn to crap and I believe he was the editor in charge of Countdown).

[Sean Walsh]

I think you see Robinson's best work, when he has a decent editor to work with.

On Starman, he worked with the legendary and beloved, Archie Goodwin; on Cry For Justice, he's been working with Eddie Berganza, who I'd argue is one of the worst editors working in comics today(everything he's involved with seems to turn to crap and I believe he was the editor in charge of Countdown).

Mike Carlin was the editor on most of COUNTDOWN.

And remember: Eddie Berganza edits the GL books. From what I've heard, they're fairly decent these days.

[CBikle]

Mike Carlin was the editor on most of COUNTDOWN.

That's right, I keep forgetting that Countdown was "gang-edited" (that's why it was so awesome-good) ; Berganza was also the editor of a few of the CD spin off books)

And remember: Eddie Berganza edits the GL books. From what I've heard, they're fairly decent these days.

Yeah, but I wonder just how much Berganza contributes to the success of that book, but since I'm giving him blame for the bad stuff, I guess he gets credit for the good stuff he's involved with as well.

[CYOTI]

Berganza was also the editor of a few of the CD spin off books)

That just about includes every editor at DC Comics.

[F1uke]

I thought the issue was alright. Most of the art was good, though there was a few things here and there I didn't like. My favorite part was on the first page when Arrow mentioned Hal and Huntress and Lady Blackhawk :tongue:

I was hoping for a Dick Grayson/Batman appearance when he was "flying" over them..

[CBikle]

My favorite part was on the first page when Arrow mentioned Hal and Huntress and Lady Blackhawk :tongue:


When I first saw that in the preview, I thought that it was funny as a throwaway joke, but I knew that it was (and has) going to piss a lot of people off.

[lepeos]

On the last preview page showing Gotham, Batman seems to be descending towards GL/GA, does Dick actually show up?

I'm looking forward to the first BatDick meeting with the rest of the DC Universe

[WorstThingUS]

I'm looking forward to the first BatDick meeting with the rest of the DC Universe

I'm pretty sure the rest of the DCU met "batdick" in the JLA locker room

Thank you. I'll be here all week and don't forget to tip your waitress.

[Constantine Drakon]

Berganza was the editor on McDuffie's JLA. We all know what sort of job was done there. There has likewise been much coy beating around the bush by writers suggesting that Berganza was responsible for many of the most unpopular parts of the transition from Young Justice to Teen Titans.

[CBikle]

On the last preview page showing Gotham, Batman seems to be descending towards GL/GA, does Dick actually show up?


Nah, I think that Grayson indirectly arranged the meeting between Jason Bard and GA/GL.

This story takes place relatively soon after Final Crisis, so I guess Dick was still doing his prep-work for taking on the role of Batman and, for whatever reason, didn't want to reintroduce himself to GL/GA just yet.

I'd suspect was hanging around and would have assisted in the fight on the super-villains if it was needed.

I'm thinking that either Grayson or Jason Bard will be used to bring Batwoman into the story.

[TheCrisisKid]

Great issue. I'm loving this series, but I am kind of biased as I am a HUGE Hal Jordan fan.

Is this going to tie into the JLA new team?

[ffaristocrat]

It's boring. The art is pretty but the writing is completely uninteresting. Not bothering with any more issues.

[KET]

And remember: Eddie Berganza edits the GL books. From what I've heard, they're fairly decent these days.


....and also EDITOR-FREE; Berganza doesn't really do anything, since Johns gets free reign over there.

[Clockan]

im loving this series. the art is amazing and for the most part i buy comics for the art so im very, very happy.

the writing i think could be way better. james is better than this but i still expect it to be amazing stories end. and so far its nowhere near as bad as some people are making it out to be.

oh and ide say black manta and scarecrow are B list. pretty accurate you ask me. i think it just felt kinda strange that they are being pooled with the other D listers like crazy quilt, javelin and bolt. thing is though i dont know if ollie should be talking down to the B listers :tongue:

[Vic Vega]

It is just me, or does Hal come off as a tool for most of this issue?

Jason Bard (who Hal would probably know by rep) comes to give them intel and Hal's all like: "Why do we have to meet up here?" and "I'm cold."

Then on being told that there was Super villany afoot in Gotham Hal pretty much tells him "so what else is new?"

Way to do your job, Hal.

The Joker could be planning on murdering an orphanage for all you know and you are acting like you could not care less.

That there was a buildingful of costumed bad guys across the street from Hal and Ollie and they didn't know about it speaks volumes about thier crook finding skills.

[titanfan]

It is just me, or does Hal come off as a tool for most of this issue?

The twist is that it's not Hal, or he's possessed by Parallax again, right?

[galactica]

It is just me, or does Hal come off as a tool for most of this issue?

Jason Bard (who Hal would probably know by rep) comes to give them intel and Hal's all like: "Why do we have to meet up here?" and "I'm cold."

Then on being told that there was Super villany afoot in Gotham Hal pretty much tells him "so what else is new?"

Way to do your job, Hal.

The Joker could be planning on murdering an orphanage for all you know and you are acting like you could not care less.

That there was a buildingful of costumed bad guys across the street from Hal and Ollie and they didn't know about it speaks volumes about thier crook finding skills.

Gotham has approximately 200 heroes patrolling her streets for guys like the Joker, Two-Face, etc. Hal doesn't worry about those guys for the same reason the JLA doesn't move it HQ to Gotham City even though the League could clean up Gotham in 2 hours tops. Or the same reason that Metropolis has has police officers with jet-packs and laser guns but Gotham police officers don't wear vests.

[Vic Vega]

Gotham has approximately 200 heroes patrolling her streets for guys like the Joker, Two-Face, etc. Hal doesn't worry about those guys for the same reason the JLA doesn't move it HQ to Gotham City even though the League could clean up Gotham in 2 hours tops. Or the same reason that Metropolis has has police officers with jet-packs and laser guns but Gotham police officers don't wear vests.

Yeah, but you don't shine a spotlight on the inherent absurdity of your genre.

Especally when your premise is kind of silly in the first place.

[Bevbos]

Still gathering the team after 2 issues... pointless fighting between Starman and Congo Bill... strange that this is the same James Robinson who brought us Starman way back when.

Very pretty though. Nice "Atom" backup, too.

[CBikle]

Gotham has approximately 200 heroes patrolling her streets for guys like the Joker, Two-Face, etc. Hal doesn't worry about those guys for the same reason the JLA doesn't move it HQ to Gotham City even though the League could clean up Gotham in 2 hours tops. Or the same reason that Metropolis has has police officers with jet-packs and laser guns but Gotham police officers don't wear vests.

Nah, I don't agree with that premise.

To clean up Gotham, Hal and the JLA would also have to contend with all the city's corruption in city hall and the private sector.

Also, Metropolis is a high-tech town, so the jetpacks make sense; Gotham PD don't have vests is probably due to choice and/or mismanagement of funds happening at a high enough political level that Commissioner Gordon can't do anything about it other than complain.

[CBikle]

Still gathering the team after 2 issues... pointless fighting between Starman and Congo Bill...


I think it might've worked better having the two of them fighting together against super-villains.

Maybe sharing info before, after or during the battle.

[Hullababy]

This issue was better than the first but that's not saying much. The writing was still poor. Hal of all people complaining about cold ? I might have to agree that it indeed seems that he is possessed by parallax once again the way Robinson is writing him.

[AdamYJ]

I only just flipped through it, but the thing I couldn't help but notice is that Jay said the guy who broke into the Flash museum killed three volunteers and it showed a picture of Winky, Blinky and Noddy from "The Madcap Inventors of Central City" from way back in Flash #117 from the '60s. Now, those are three characters I thought would never be referenced again.

[Xero]

I don't like James Robinson because he killed two bronze age black superheroes. And that colors my perception of his writing despite the fact that I loved Starman and used to collect the trades. And while I think this is a really effed up thing to do to two female characters that another writer took years to flesh out, and that it comes across as extremely piggish. I think Gail is best equipped to fight this battle.

And she is doing so in this thread on her boards (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=280970).

[WorstThingUS]

I only just flipped through it, but the thing I couldn't help but notice is that Jay said the guy who broke into the Flash museum killed three volunteers and it showed a picture of Winky, Blinky and Noddy from "The Madcap Inventors of Central City" from way back in Flash #117 from the '60s. Now, those are three characters I thought would never be referenced again.

Given what happens to guards at super-places, why would you ever take that job?

[ryerye17]

it was okay. not yet spectacular but okay. i have no issues with hal's characterization.

however, where in gods name is batwoman? that's like the only reason i'm reading it.

[Hawkman]

Two issues in, and I'm already done. I had high hopes that after the first issue's weak debut things would pick up considerably in the second installment, but no such luck. As it is, I have every intention of picking up the trade should the series turn out to be good, but there's too much stuff on the shelves right now for me to be buying something that I hope will get better.

[AdamYJ]

Given what happens to guards at super-places, why would you ever take that job?

Probably because the Flash helped them out a few times back in the Silver Age. Also, let's face it, those three weren't really all that bright. They were seemingly designed to be like an old-time comedy team, and there's a certain high level of foolishness that goes into that.

[bongoes]

This issue was better than the first but that's not saying much. The writing was still poor. Hal of all people complaining about cold ? I might have to agree that it indeed seems that he is possessed by parallax once again the way Robinson is writing him.

The complaining about the cold really seemed off. Shouldn't a uniform made of pure energy keep you warm?

[Hullababy]

The complaining about the cold really seemed off. Shouldn't a uniform made of pure energy keep you warm?

That and then of course he could always create anything with his power ring to keep himself warm. It made no sense to me. Oh well the art is still gorgeous.

[ryerye17]

Hey guys!

Timothy Callahan, a reviewer here on CBR, gave this issue three out of five stars.

Check it out.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=1280

[FeminineMystique]

it was okay. not yet spectacular but okay. i have no issues with hal's characterization.

however, where in gods name is batwoman? that's like the only reason i'm reading it.

She's not turning up till later apparently, presumably either at the end of this mini of when Robinson takes over the monthly book which will be continuing on right from the end of the mini. And yeah, I can't wait for her to show up either:biggrin:

Speaking of those conspicuous by their absence: where's Prometheus? Hal was talking like they'd captured him after the battle with the villains but he wasn't anywhere among the guys knocked out

[ChairthrowerLad]

Overall I thought the second issue was much better than the first.


As far as Hal being kind of a jerk....I don't know. I guess that's Robinson's "determined" Hal. He's focused on JUSTICE (read as: Vengeance) and anything else is an irritation. I am just guessing...

[titanfan]

Hey guys!

Timothy Callahan, a reviewer here on CBR, gave this issue three out of five stars.

Check it out.

I think CBR gave the first issue four stars and the issue was more or less panned by most here, newsarama/DC forums, etc.

[wolvie616]

i'm still trying to figure out what dick was doing in that one panel......

[Den]

Despite a raised brow moment or two, I liked this one better than the first.

[CBikle]

i'm still trying to figure out what dick was doing in that one panel......

Maybe just making sure that Jason Bard wasn't walking into an ambush and hanging out in the area in the off-chance that the fight with the building full of super-villains got out of hand.

[ChairthrowerLad]

i'm still trying to figure out what dick was doing in that one panel......

Maybe he learned how to be omnipresent from Bruce...who apparently learned it sometime in the 90s.

[superchick]

I read the CBR review, Supergirl looked nothing like Helen Slater at the end

[pariah-1972]

Well it's not as bad as last issue that's not really saying much really.

I found a lot of the dialogue here incredibly clunky some of it was so bad i couldn't get past reading it to try and figure out exactly what that it was supposed to actually mean.
The art is nice but it's weird to see Hal jump off the ledge of a building when his ring isn't even powered up.
And Congorilla gets shot in the heart and there's a massive hole in it and it doesn't even affect him.


With crap like this coming out i am having serious doubts that anyone ever liked this writer before.


This is just about Jeph Loeb area of bad.

[Choppa]

Did I read that right? Hal had a menage with Lady Blackhawk and Huntress?

[pariah-1972]

Did I read that right? Hal had a menage with Lady Blackhawk and Huntress?That's what was said.

[Sean Whitmore]

Did I read that right? Hal had a menage with Lady Blackhawk and Huntress?

That's what was said.

Ha! The YABSers must be losing their minds.


SEAN

[pariah-1972]

Ha! The YABSers must be losing their minds.


SEANYou could always excuse it as just braggadocios guy talk.

[CBikle]

Ha! The YABSers must be losing their minds.



Oh, they are.

Gail Simone's put up a few posts about it; basically she's a big fan of Robinson's work, but wishes that he'd chosen 2 other heroines for the joke.

In between Gail's posts, there's about a dozen pages of snark, mock-outrage and sycophancy. Business as usual.

[WorstThingUS]

Ha! The YABSers must be losing their minds.


SEAN

Not just them. The response under "Comics Must Be Good" which also took a dim view of it wasn't positive, nor was it here and most of all, Gail Simone, who did the most with those characters didn't care for the throwaway dirty joke at the expense of said characters.

[Sean Whitmore]

Gail Simone's put up a few posts about it; basically she's a big fan of Robinson's work, but wishes that he'd chosen 2 other heroines for the joke.

She seemed okay with Zinda, which makes sense. I can't think of who might fill that third slot without it going against their character.

Grace, maybe.


SEAN

[Samy]

Starfire, for example.

[CBikle]

She seemed okay with Zinda, which makes sense. I can't think of who might fill that third slot without it going against their character.



http://www.supernaturalcrime.com/Art/999/LadyCop.jpg

Almost surprised that Robinson hasn't used her in some fashion, seeing as how he's been putting all of the old "1st Issue Special" characters on the front lines.

[Sean Whitmore]

Starfire, for example.

I think I'd argue that one, but then, I have no idea what Winick's done to her.


SEAN

[pariah-1972]

I've never seen Starfire be into women but it wouldn't be suprising since her culture is not as reserved as ours about sexuality .

[CBikle]

In hindsight, he should have used characters from Countdown, then no one would care:

"Hey Hal, remember what happened when you shared that bottle of fermented Gingold with Forerunner annd that one chick monitor ?"

[pariah-1972]

In hindsight, he should have used characters from Countdown, then no one would care:

"Hey Hal, remember what happened when you shared that bottle of fermented Gingold with Forerunner annd that one chick monitor ?"It's probably safe to assume he hasn't read Countdown if he hasn't even been reading Hal's recent series or Birds of Prey.

[Raker616]

I gotta admit the second half of issue actually gave me hope that this isn't going to be a complete trainwreck. The dialog was much better not great but better than the cringe worthy stuff happening earlier. Overall i'm one of the few that isn't going crazy over the art so the only draw for me is that hopefully this will lead to a JLA that is actually readable with Hal at the lead. I'll check out issue 3 and hope that things are going to start turning around now that more of the group is coming together but i'm still leary of how this will turn out.

[Armadillo]

Did'nt read it but IMO Scarecrow is an A list. I mean, he has been in more medias than most DC's villains.

[Samy]

A-List indeed (http://www.seanbaby.com/superfriends/scarecrow.htm)

[jerrymcl89]

Did'nt read it but IMO Scarecrow is an A list. I mean, he has been in more medias than most DC's villains.

An A-list character, maybe. He's not an A-list threat, especially to a guy wearing a power ring-generated gas mask.

[WorstThingUS]

I've never seen Starfire be into women but it wouldn't be suprising since her culture is not as reserved as ours about sexuality .

And she's currently boning a very married Animal Man despite knowing his wife and kids.

An A-list character, maybe. He's not an A-list threat, especially to a guy wearing a power ring-generated gas mask.

...whose raison d'etre is having no fear

[ryerye17]

And she's currently boning a very married Animal Man despite knowing his wife and kids.



ooooh that's slutty. Where did this happen?

[galactica]

And she's currently boning a very married Animal Man despite knowing his wife and kids.

Last Days of Animal Man in not in regular continuity. It's set 15 years in the future.

[WorstThingUS]

Last Days of Animal Man in not in regular continuity. It's set 15 years in the future.

Thank goodness! Maybe it means he's a widower, because I'd hate to think she'd do that to a family that took her in.

[Slaughter]

And she's currently boning a very married Animal Man despite knowing his wife and kids.



...whose raison d'etre is having no fear

Wait, WHAT? That makes no sense. I must read Last Days.

Also, Green Lanterns are not about having no fear, that would make them into psychopaths as bad as the Red Lanterns. They're about overcoming fear. Still, even if the gas could only induce fear for a moment, it would be quite interesting to use by Sinestro corpsmen. Maybe Scarecrow should start selling his gas to Sinestro?

[Wilder Midnight]

ok.

when did issue #1 come out? has to be some irony in waiting for this for so long and then realizing i missed the first issue.

don't really know what to think yet. very nice seeing green lantern and green arrow together again with the atom in tow. i like supergirl and have silver age affection for congorilla but i don't like freddy as captain marvel.

brilliantly, brilliantly illustrated.

if were recycling old first issue special characters i wanna see the green team and the original outsiders!

[pariah-1972]

ok.

when did issue #1 come out? has to be some irony in waiting for this for so long and then realizing i missed the first issue.

don't really know what to think yet. very nice seeing green lantern and green arrow together again with the atom in tow. i like supergirl and have silver age affection for congorilla but i don't like freddy as captain marvel.

brilliantly, brilliantly illustrated.

if were recycling old first issue special characters i wanna see the green team and the original outsiders!It came out last month.

[Vic Vega]

She seemed okay with Zinda, which makes sense. I can't think of who might fill that third slot without it going against their character.

Grace, maybe.


SEAN


The New Hawk. We know from the Titans East special that she is into one nighters and role play.

[Choppa]

That's what was said.

I see. Good job Hal?

[titanfan]

The New Hawk. We know from the Titans East special that she is into one nighters and role play.

Perhaps, Fire too. We know she and Zinda used to hang out in Guy Gardner's bar even.

[pariah-1972]

I see. Good job Hal?I am going to go with this is just macho guy talk which we all know is not always truthful.


For all we know it could be two cosplayers dressed up as Lady Blackhawk and Huntress.

It really makes me wanna scream NON CANON.

[dupersuper]

Perhaps, Fire too. We know she and Zinda used to hang out in Guy Gardner's bar even.

Yes, that would've been better. Wonder what it could imply about Beas feelings for Tora though...yes, I know; I'm hopeless...

[RyleKayner]

Man, you've got to give it Gail for taking this pretty well. If Robinson had basically turned characters I'd spent years developing into an off-hand misogynistic joke, I'd have let him have a piece of my mind.

Maybe she's scared of bad-mouthing one of DC's boy's club - seeing what happened to McDuffie. Doesn't inspire me with great hope for the upcoming Robinson run on JLA. Shame really. I loved Golden Age and Starman, but Face the Face was serviceable at best and this is pure drivel. Hope he brings his A-game sometime soon.

JUSTICE!!!

[Kent H]

Great issue. I'm loving this series, but I am kind of biased as I am a HUGE Hal Jordan fan.

Is this going to tie into the JLA new team?

Yes, this is basically going to be the lead in.

It's probably safe to assume he hasn't read Countdown if he hasn't even been reading Hal's recent series or Birds of Prey.

And you know he hasn't read them how exactly?

[pariah-1972]

Yes, this is basically going to be the lead in.



And you know he hasn't read them how exactly?It's pretty obvious he hasn't.

[galactica]

Man, you've got to give it Gail for taking this pretty well. If Robinson had basically turned characters I'd spent years developing into an off-hand misogynistic joke, I'd have let him have a piece of my mind.

Maybe she's scared of bad-mouthing one of DC's boy's club - seeing what happened to McDuffie. Doesn't inspire me with great hope for the upcoming Robinson run on JLA. Shame really. I loved Golden Age and Starman, but Face the Face was serviceable at best and this is pure drivel. Hope he brings his A-game sometime soon.

JUSTICE!!!

That would make it into a bigger deal than it should be. Do you think Gail would start a feud with another creator over a throwaway line on a single page? Say what you will about the line but in the grand scheme of the characters it's about a important as a single pebble of sand on a beach.

Besides, Simone can say whatever she wants to say. Just because she doesn't start a feud with a fellow creator does not mean she is scared to say bad things about DC.

[Kent H]

It's pretty obvious he hasn't.

Actually, it's not obvious at all. There is absolutely no hint, or even a hint of a hint whether he has or has not read them.

[ScottyQuick]

Actually, it's not obvious at all. There is absolutely no hint, or even a hint of a hint whether he has or has not read them.

Aside from the fact that there was a story specifically about Huntress not going to be a high-five for the guys that can say "Yeah, I hit that".

[Ghost Shark]

I read this issue and issue number one, and I can't believe this is the same James Robinson who wrote STARMAN and GOLDEN AGE. It's almost like someoneelse is using a pen name. If this is an example of what the new JLA will be like, I won;t be picking it up.

[Doc Goblin]

I actually liked the first issue of this series fine enough, even though it seemed like a lot of people had problems with it. I didn't see what was so bad and had plenty of optimism about the rest of the issues.

Screw that now.

The writing of Hal Jordan... good lord. Having threesomes, Batman ain't nothing to him, beating down a ton of villains at once. So damn over the top. It's unbearable. If this is an indication of how Robinson will be handling him in the actual Justice League book... forget that. I may be intrigued by the different lineup, but not if those characters are going to be just orbiting Hal Jordan's "greatness."

Then there was the Atom/Shazam scene. What was with all that exposition? Did they seriously go back and talk about the days when Atom was deaged and stuff? I was happy to see Freddy finally appear but damn did that scene drag.

Finally, there was the Congorilla/Starman scene. I don't even know what that was. Just all of a sudden they're tearing into each other. Then they're not. Then they're taking off together. Okay. Whatever.

I liked the Jason Bard cameo. I liked... the Jason Bard cameo. I can't think of anything else. I thought I had a list of little things I did like about this issue, but I can't think of any now.

[Samy]

I was like omg they referred the Atom Teen Titans phase. My mind was like blown I couldn't believe it. I love continuity so that scene right there bumped Robinson up a notch for me. Most writers would just ignore everything before them but he went out of his way to reference an obscure period. Pretty awesome.

[CBikle]

Yeah, I'm always a big fan of characters looking back at their (sometimes dopey) past.

The de-aged stuff kind of had to be referenced, otherwise newer readers would have no clue why Atom would even be in the Teen Titans.

[pariah-1972]

Actually, it's not obvious at all. There is absolutely no hint, or even a hint of a hint whether he has or has not read them.Considering how he is using Huntress and Lady Blackhawk as nothing but sex toys to make Hal look more like the man i would say there is a strong indication that he has never read Birds of Prey.

[Mat001]

Aside from the fact that there was a story specifically about Huntress not going to be a high-five for the guys that can say "Yeah, I hit that".

Which doesn't mean that she couldn't accidently slip and make a mistake again. It can happen.

[kalorama]

Man, you've got to give it Gail for taking this pretty well. If Robinson had basically turned characters I'd spent years developing into an off-hand misogynistic joke, I'd have let him have a piece of my mind.

Maybe she's scared of bad-mouthing one of DC's boy's club - seeing what happened to McDuffie.

Or maybe she's just smart enough to understand that, at the end of the day, these characters don't belong to her and she has no say or control over what DC allows other writers to do with them. She (like ever other under contract, work-for-hire creator) is playing in a sandbox in which every single grain is owned lock, stock, and barrel by DC/Warners.

[WorstThingUS]

Which doesn't mean that she couldn't accidently slip and make a mistake again. It can happen.

A threeway is a bit more than a slip-up. It's when writers like Winnick and Robinson who clearly know little and care less that The Huntress has these moments and then it's left up to writers like Chuck Dixon and Gail Simone to clean it up. And I'm actually looking forward to Gail cleaning this mess up.

Or maybe she's just smart enough to understand that, at the end of the day, these characters don't belong to her and she has no say or control over what DC allows other writers to do with them. She (like ever other under contract, work-for-hire creator) is playing in a sandbox in which every single grain is owned lock, stock, and barrel by DC/Warners.

...likewise for Robinson so Gail is clear to write a story where this is just a bunch of crap guy talk---much like the way it's currently crap guy writing.

[pariah-1972]

A threeway is a bit more than a slip-up. It's when writers like Winnick and Robinson who clearly know little and care less that The Huntress has these moments and then it's left up to writers like Chuck Dixon and Gail Simone to clean it up. And I'm actually looking forward to Gail cleaning this mess up.



...likewise for Robinson so Gail is clear to write a story where this is just a bunch of crap guy talk---much like the way it's currently crap guy writing.This is starting to remind me of the time She-hulk slept with Juggernaut and Dan Slott retconned it as an alternate universe She-hulk.
:biggrin:

[Captain Jim]

Like so many others, I thought this was better than the previous issue. The first issue was bad; this issue was... just okay.

I like how Robinson remembered and incorporated the Captain Marvel Jr -Atom connection from their time together in the Teen Titans

Me too; I had actually forgotten about Freddy being a member of that team in its latter days.

Jay said the guy who broke into the Flash museum killed three volunteers and it showed a picture of Winky, Blinky and Noddy from "The Madcap Inventors of Central City" from way back in Flash #117 from the '60s. Now, those are three characters I thought would never be referenced again.

They have a much richer history than that. Known collectively as the "Three Dimwits," they supplied the "comic relief" in the golden-age Flash stories. Appearing initially in All Flash #5 (1942), they continued as semi-regulars in his stories throughout the 1940's. They even had their own feature for a while in All American Comics. They were last seen (during the golden age) in 1947. Jay was quite serious when he referred to them as "friends."

[Batwoman's] not turning up till later apparently, presumably either at the end of this mini of when Robinson takes over the monthly book which will be continuing on right from the end of the mini.

It was recently announced that Dick Grayson will be appearing as Batman in the regular JLA title. Is Batwoman still going to be there too?

[kalorama]

A threeway is a bit more than a slip-up. It's when writers like Winnick and Robinson who clearly know little and care less that The Huntress has these moments and then it's left up to writers like Chuck Dixon and Gail Simone to clean it up. And I'm actually looking forward to Gail cleaning this mess up.



...likewise for Robinson so Gail is clear to write a story where this is just a bunch of crap guy talk---much like the way it's currently crap guy writing.

She probably would will be if she ever gets the opportunity to write those characters again. Of course, there's no guarantee that will happen.

[Personamanx]

I just got the issue today. I liked it. I know that's the unpopular opinion, but Im not gotta pretend to hate something I don't.

[CBikle]

I just got the issue today. I liked it. I know that's the unpopular opinion

Actually, it may be the popular opinion; I think that some of the people ragging on the book haven't even read it.

[WorstThingUS]

She probably would will be if she ever gets the opportunity to write those characters again. Of course, there's no guarantee that will happen.

They just have to show up in Wonder Woman, that's all.

[Rawlin67]

could it be cheesier? there are just too many laughable quotes in here to fully take it seriously. and i mean, the artwork is INCREDIBLE, but so much of it was just dudes posturing really tough on rooftops or in secret meetings. however from a "silly entertainment" standpoint, it still is a fun ride. and maybe thats the intention. i just really can't take it seriously.

[RyleKayner]

Actually, it may be the popular opinion; I think that some of the people ragging on the book haven't even read it.

I read it. I think it's written by a 4-year old. Not sure how many people agree with me, but for the most part I thought that majority opinion was that it was arse.

Glad you enjoyed it. DC does need your dime.

[superchick]

I just got the issue today. I liked it. I know that's the unpopular opinion, but Im not gotta pretend to hate something I don't.

me neither, I love the banter between the characters. Its like frat boys and I love the idea that Arrow and Lantern are a bad influence on each other but stick with each other through thick and thin. I could have done without JUSTICE every other page but that is sent up in issue two I think. The arrival of supergirl could take some of the 'boys club' atmosphere away.

[Personamanx]

Yeah I loved Supergirl's Introduction.

[Infernorhythm]

Loved it, great use of the characters (after years of Winick writing them, Freddy and Ollie work so much better under Robinson's pen), and the art was amazing. The first issue was average, but this was really good. Looking forward to seeing where it goes.

[IronMagnus]

I'm enjoying this series. I don't see where the hate is coming from. An average Brian Michael Bendis comic has much more groan-inducing dialogue than this. Though maybe reading too much Bendis has had a numbing effect on me.

And Hal and Huntress & Lady Blackhawk? Hal is the man. :cool:

[FeminineMystique]

The New Hawk. We know from the Titans East special that she is into one nighters and role play.

I like her already:wink:





It was recently announced that Dick Grayson will be appearing as Batman in the regular JLA title. Is Batwoman still going to be there too?

Yes, Robinson confirmed it in the "Writers notes" at the end of Cry For Justice #1:biggrin: Which is good because I'm loving Kate right now and it'll be cool to see her in the League.

[Devil_LeonX]

Considering how he is using Huntress and Lady Blackhawk as nothing but sex toys to make Hal look more like the man i would say there is a strong indication that he has never read Birds of Prey.

been hearing that Robinson really drop the ball on those 2....i guess i just haven't read enough could anyone tell me why its such an injustice.

[pariah-1972]

been hearing that Robinson really drop the ball on those 2....i guess i just haven't read enough could anyone tell me why its such an injustice.Because they are both friends and strong independent women not stupid Girls Gone Wild collegiates?

[Devil_LeonX]

Because they are both friends and strong independent women not stupid Girls Gone Wild collegiates?

lol but maybe it happened a long long time ago and they are still humans its not like they are perfect all the time.......are they?

[Personamanx]

It was a joke that probably never happened. Hal Confirming it means nothing. It was just two Buds going with a joke.

[KET]

lol but maybe it happened a long long time ago and they are still humans its not like they are perfect all the time.......are they?

Yeah, and 'denial' is a river in Africa. I just love it when fanboys basically refuse to look at what's on the printed page in faovr of what's obviously NOT. :biggrin:

[KET]

Yeah I loved Supergirl's Introduction.


I found that part spectacularly weak, and merely reinforced Robinson's 'intellectual frat boy' approach to the Hal/Ollie threesome banter from earlier.

[CBikle]

lol but maybe it happened a long long time ago and they are still humans its not like they are perfect all the time.......are they?

Here's the interesting thing about that:

Lady Blackhawk only exists in the present day DCU, because of Zero Hour (ironically caused by Hal/Parallax).

Odds are, if the 3-way really happened, it would have happened at some point after Hal came back to life, if it occurred "a long time ago", it would have been when he was the Spectre or Parallax.

[ryerye17]

Here's the interesting thing about that:

Lady Blackhawk only exists in the present day DCU, because of Zero Hour (ironically caused by Hal/Parallax).

Odds are, if the 3-way really happened, it would have happened at some point after Hal came back to life, if it occurred "a long time ago", it would have been when he was the Spectre or Parallax.
Does Spectre have genitalia? I mean, he wasn't in Hal Jordan's body right? :)

[Devil_LeonX]

Does Spectre have genitalia? I mean, he wasn't in Hal Jordan's body right? :)

um maybe...anyhow perhaps it happened when he came back as a human being but well how many years has it been between his return as a GL and the start of Final Crisis?

[CountAchilles]

Hal : I have a confession to make.

Oliver : If it involves you,the Huntress,Lady Blackhawk and a bottle of Grappa then Dinah already told me and all I have to say is "Well played,Sir."

All right.IF this was supposed to crack the reader up,then I'd say "Job well done,Sir." otherwise,the dialogue is really poor. I mean Jordan of all people with two eccentric superheroines.Man,this really stirred up the waters.

[CountAchilles]

Thank goodness! Maybe it means he's a widower, because I'd hate to think she'd do that to a family that took her in.

No,he's not.Just read TLoAM #3,he's been having a few problems with his wife and daughter and he is still married to them.But,that still doesn't stop them from playing tonsil hockey apparently. If this was in continuity,I'd have loved to see Grayson's reaction to this.

[the4thpip]

I know this has probably been asked a dozen times already but...

Would DC ever have suggested a drunken threesome including a female and two male heroes?

Zatanna, a bottle of Dom Perignon, Gangbuster and Beastboy?

Black Canary, a bottle of Jägermeister, the Ray and Batman?

[KET]

I know this has probably been asked a dozen times already but...

Would DC ever have suggested a drunken threesome including a female and two male heroes?

Zatanna, a bottle of Dom Perignon, Gangbuster and Beastboy?

Black Canary, a bottle of Jägermeister, the Ray and Batman?


Of COURSE NOT; DC nearly always neuters its superheroines from ever displaying that kind of swagger or self-confidence.

For example, this week Wonder Woman's going to be fretting over how a mildly-stylized STATUE misrepresents her (not knowing that in real life, DC Direct is already doing worse by her with an upcoming Ame-Comi figure in November). Talk about navel-gazing.

[CBikle]

I hope we see a big fight with lotsof obscure DC villains.

There hasn't been too much action in this book.

[CountAchilles]

Of COURSE NOT; DC nearly always neuters its superheroines from ever displaying that kind of swagger or self-confidence.

For example, this week Wonder Woman's going to be fretting over how a mildly-stylized STATUE misrepresents her (not knowing that in real life, DC Direct is already doing worse by her with an upcoming Ame-Comi figure in November). Talk about navel-gazing.

Okay,that is really sad.When someone of her stature is reduced to this,can't help but feel sorry.

[the4thpip]

Of COURSE NOT; DC nearly always neuters its superheroines from ever displaying that kind of swagger or self-confidence.

For example, this week Wonder Woman's going to be fretting over how a mildly-stylized STATUE misrepresents her (not knowing that in real life, DC Direct is already doing worse by her with an upcoming Ame-Comi figure in November). Talk about navel-gazing.

I really don't think the self confidence of the female in that kind of threesome would be the main reason why DC would never go there.

Vixen, a bottle of Absolut, Josiah Power and Nightwing.