Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Exodus #1 preview

[Novaya Havoc]

lol You just reminded me of those Deluded Dazzler Fanboys on Comicvine "Omega level my arse"

Dazzler is an Omega mutant. Galactus and The Beyonder said so.

Nyah.

[Filthy Mutie]

I'm sure Dark Beast actually has really clean hands, but only because he keeps his science clean.

[Slyfer]

This is pointless the X-MEN are screwed, not against the Sentry, There is no way they could possibly win

[Chief Jon]

Dazzler is an Omega mutant. Galactus and The Beyonder said so.

Nyah.

It is true, she has a ton of powerhouse potential.

I find myself wondering if maybe she and Jean Paul got drained by Weapon Omega and that's why Dark Beast is schooling them. Seems a likely and logical explanation.

[MuhollandDriver]

I'm sure Dark Beast actually has really clean hands, but only because he keeps his science clean.

Can You imagine the endless sticky thermometers and used wipes the X-Men endure under 616 McCoy's quackery?

Dark Beast would marinate those muties in rubbing alcohol.

[Filthy Mutie]

Can You imagine the endless sticky thermometers and used wipes the X-Men endure under 616 McCoy's quackery?

Dark Beast would marinate those muties in rubbing alcohol.

I'm sure Beast has stuck at least one person with a used needle. Dark Beast would never let that happen.

[frog]

Can You imagine the endless sticky thermometers and used wipes the X-Men endure under 616 McCoy's quackery?

Dark Beast would marinate those muties in rubbing alcohol.


I'm sure Beast has stuck at least one person with a used needle. Dark Beast would never let that happen.

The real Beast is clean, careful and germ free.

Dark Beast operates without scrubs and sticks people with used needles just for the hell of it. Norman is already pissed at him for his lousy scientific process. Dazzler probably will come down with several nasty infections. Better hope Elixir survives X-Force.

[FeminineMystique]

Are you Welsh?

No, but Pixie is so she'll probably want to put a stop to them quickly when she takes over the Marvel universe in next summers big event "Sparkly Reign". :biggrin:

[Dave13]

Dazzler is an Omega mutant. Galactus and The Beyonder said so.

Nyah.

No She really isn't, Writers Drop the Omega classification all the time, 90% of the time it proves that their thoughtless morons not that their right

The Fact that Dazzler is limited by the need for Sound proves that she is not an Omega.

[Red Lotus]

I hope Exdous is in this. Have him be Scott ace in the hole.

[AcesX1X]

i need an omega rules handbook. i don't think i ever received a copy.

[Firebaton]

No She really isn't, Writers Drop the Omega classification all the time, 90% of the time it proves that their thoughtless morons not that their right

The Fact that Dazzler is limited by the need for Sound proves that she is not an Omega.

Let me ask for a clarification: So Iceman is not an omega level mutant because he is limited by his need for moisture? Is that how omega levels work?

Oh 100th post.. yay

[Dave13]

Let me ask for a clarification: So Iceman is not an omega level mutant because he is limited by his need for moisture? Is that how omega levels work?

Oh 100th post.. yay

First Off, your right Bobby's Ice manipulation aspect of his power is limted by the amount of moisture, However aslong as there is source of Water no matter how small Bob can manipulate it. Secondly Icemans cryothermetic manipulation ability has no cuch Limits

[AcesX1X]

dave13, what is the source of your science? i would like to read up on this field of study as well.

[frog]

Omega levels kill characters. They're more interesting to me when they have challenges and limits when using their powers.

[darknessatnoon]

dave13, what is the source of your science? i would like to read up on this field of study as well.

Read the 20,000 page long scientific debate over who is moar omega, Storm or Iceman? Cronin finally had to lock the thread.

[Robbiebob_16]

Read the 20,000 page long scientific debate over who is moar omega, Storm or Iceman? Cronin finally had to lock the thread.
Haha....they actually had to debate that?
(it's clearly Storm)

[Dave13]

dave13, what is the source of your science? i would like to read up on this field of study as well.

Taken from things stated in he Books



Read the 20,000 page long scientific debate over who is moar omega, Storm or Iceman? Cronin finally had to lock the thread.

Hey now be fair Storm may actually be an Omega, which i mean to say some of her feats have matched with some of the requirements of an Omega




Omega levels kill characters. They're more interesting to me when they have challenges and limits when using their powers.

Not all the Time, Only if the writer makes the stupid mistake of having them realise teir potential in a few issue's ending with them overpowered, Most of the Confirmed Omegas were handled proberly

[biscuit]

Omega levels kill characters. They're more interesting to me when they have challenges and limits when using their powers.

I'm sure your not alone in that regard. Look how popular Wolverine, Deadpool, Cyclops, and Beast are and they aren't even close to Omega level.

[darknessatnoon]

I'm sure your not alone in that regard. Look how popular Wolverine, Deadpool, Cyclops, and Beast are and they aren't even close to Omega level.

Beast isn't popular.

[quillero]

This looks good. Warren vs Bullseye. Nice

LOL, where's the Dark Beast, quintessential gay basher thread?

[samhalliwell]

Beast isn't popular.

And neither is Cyclops. Don't believe his fans, he's more of a necessary evil :tongue:

[frog]

Beast isn't popular.

Except in the wide world beyond this forum!

[Jack Flash]

Beast isn't popular.

neither is deadpool.

[biscuit]

Beast isn't popular.

I assumed he was since he gets so much panel time. Maybe he's just popular with the writers:smile: .

[AcesX1X]

I assumed he was since he gets so much panel time. Maybe he's just popular with the writers:smile: .

matt fraction is a sicko. haven't you ever seen those kids that set ants on fire with the magnifying glass? he's just getting entertainment out of making beast look like a fool all the time. i really respect how good he is at trolling.

[darknessatnoon]

I assumed he was since he gets so much panel time. Maybe he's just popular with the writers:smile: .

I think that's the case. But in reality, no one cares about Beast. Even Black Panther is more popular.

[quillero]

And neither is Cyclops. Don't believe his fans, he's more of a necessary evil :tongue:

I'll send Lina Ron after you

[frog]

I assumed he was since he gets so much panel time. Maybe he's just popular with the writers:smile: .

And with those of taste and discernment!

[biscuit]

neither is deadpool.

Maybe its just where I live then cause his books are always sold out.

[samhalliwell]

I think that's the case. But in reality, no one cares about Beast. Even Black Panther is more popular.

Now, isn't that a bit exagerated? Is Beast really that hated?

[FeminineMystique]

I think that's the case. But in reality, no one cares about Beast. Even Black Panther is more popular.

You just crossed a line:tongue:

[samhalliwell]

I'll send Lina Ron after you

Do it, by all means. I'll go all Ares on her, even if it gets me into jail. It'd be as cathartic as throwing bricks to Scott, I'd say.

[AcesX1X]

Now, isn't that a bit exagerated? Is Beast really that hated?

more like disregarded, samhalliwell.

[quillero]

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/10/01/top-100-dc-and-marvel-characters-master-list/

Beast is 16th. Wade, 17th.

[darknessatnoon]

Now, isn't that a bit exagerated? Is Beast really that hated?


You just crossed a line:tongue:

I stand by my findings.

[quillero]

Do it, by all means. I'll go all Ares on her, even if it gets me into jail. It'd be as cathartic as throwing bricks to Scott, I'd say.

Watch out. Wouldn't want to end up dead. You know, like Jean.

[biscuit]

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/10/01/top-100-dc-and-marvel-characters-master-list/

Beast is 16th. Wade, 17th.

Alright I stand by my first statement then. Its interesting, I never knew Nightcrawler was so popular (he's also nowhere near Omega).

[frog]

Pay darkness no heed, Beast has always been popular (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7609080&postcount=30).

darkness is just jealous because he lacks in research skills.

[wolvie616]

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/10/01/top-100-dc-and-marvel-characters-master-list/

Beast is 16th. Wade, 17th.

wolverine was 1st in wizard

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Late the join the party, but this looks pretty hot. And we're expected to go back to the current UXM art? Le sigh.

Oh, and was there a need to bring up the O-word? Their fans might show up.

[Dave13]

MY thoughts That Things a Disgace

Elixir ain't on it
Neither are any of my favourites
Or the Hot women
Sue storm Is too low
I just Saw Nightcrawler somewat mollified

Jonah Jameson the man who shows you should hate is far too low...and who the hells Bucky why do they still call him that its bloody not fair

Who wants to bet when Ironman 2 comes out Nick fury is gonna become a whole lot more popular, thanks to those retard Samuel. Jackson fanboys who make debating Battles with Mace windu In them a pocess of getting a migraine :mad:

[frog]

MY thoughts That Things a Disgace

Elixir ain't on it
Neither are any of my favourites
Or the Hot women
Sue storm Is too low
I just Saw Nightcrawler somewat mollified

Jonah Jameson the man who shows you should hate is far too low...and who the hells Bucky why do they still call him that its bloody not fair

Who wants to bet when Ironman 2 comes out Nick fury is gonna become a whole lot more popular, thanks to those retard Samuel. Jackson fanboys who make debating Battles with Mace windu In them a pocess of getting a migraine :mad:


Huh???????

[Dave13]

Oh, and was there a need to bring up the O-word? Their fans might show up.

It's a Bloody good concept!

[Daniel Mengsk]

Watch out. Wouldn't want to end up dead. You know, like Jean.

Jean is dead?


Norman Osborn vs Scott Summers.

Win gobby, win!

[samhalliwell]

more like disregarded, samhalliwell.

...True. He's been kind of pointless lately, for me. And I actually like him. Something needs to be done (and not necessarily death, before anyone suggest so).


Watch out. Wouldn't want to end up dead. You know, like Jean.

Well, unless you meant "Wouldn't want you to end up dead", I don't see how anything would affect you :tongue:

[Ratstar]

are you talking about (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nekra) nekra (http://marvel.com/universe/Nekra)?
Yeah...


Just saw this now and it's awesome. However I hope Anole is okay and is that Husk or Emma? Also Laura versus Daken "Kick his ass Laura". Only Rogue was here to absorb Sentry and klll Moonstone and Dani still had her powers to give Norman nightmares:biggrin:
Anole should be fine with his healing factor. It looks more like metal than diamond. At first I thought it was mercury because of the metal and being with another young x-man and the artist just messed things up, but it's more likely Husk. Doesn't matter much anyway, looks like they're just extras really...
No way Laura can take Daken in a fight unless he's going easy on her or she has enough preptime.

[samhalliwell]

Jean is dead?


Norman Osborn vs Scott Summers.

Win gobby, win!

Will you marry me, Gilesy?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It's a Bloody good concept!

I can only assume this is sarcasm. Hardcore sarcasm at that.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

No way Laura can take Daken in a fight unless he's going easy on her or she has enough preptime.

Weren't Laura and Pixie roomies? Laura being caught in the gravitational pull of Pixie's awesomeness wouldn't be much of a stretch. Just saying. :wink:

[jester1436]

wolverine was 1st in wizard

LOL Wizard

[Disco Jess Minge]

LOL Wizard

Don't be hard on him, he's a teenager who doesn't know any better. :tongue:

[X-Man#4]

Fraction is taking UXM to heights that most readers dared not dream of! His issues, particularly in this crossover, have been nothing short of brilliant. He's really setting the standard for other X-writers!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Don't be hard on him, he's a teenager who doesn't know any better. :tongue:

Should we tell him about Rolling Stone?


Fraction is taking UXM to heights that most readers dared not dream of! His issues, particularly in this crossover, have been nothing short of brilliant. He's really setting the standard for other X-writers!

I have no idea what to make of this. On which side of the Fraction fence are you, again? :confused:

[Ratstar]

Fraction is taking UXM to heights that most readers dared not dream of! His issues, particularly in this crossover, have been nothing short of brilliant. He's really setting the standard for other X-writers!

Too obvious now dude.

[X-Man#4]

Too obvious now dude.

I literally inserted my face into my palm after reading this post. Fraction's run, especially this crossover, has been IMHO, excellent. It's an interesting story and I think he's doing a good job. Can't I even compliment a writer? How this can be misconstrued, I have no idea.

[X-Man#4]

Should we tell him about Rolling Stone?



I have no idea what to make of this. On which side of the Fraction fence are you, again? :confused:

I was always on the pro-Fraction side. I've loved his take on Cyke thus far, who is one of my favorite characters. He's really had him develop and become the great leader that he's always been destined to be. I love that aspect of his writing-->he's not a mere characiture, constantly stagnating as the "Skilled leader, but lacking confidence". Based on your name, you seem like a Cyke fan? Don't you like the turn the character has taken?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I was always on the pro-Fraction side. I've loved his take on Cyke thus far, who is one of my favorite characters. He's really had him develop and become the great leader that he's always been destined to be. I love that aspect of his writing-->he's not a mere characiture, constantly stagnating as the "Skilled leader, but lacking confidence". Based on your name, you seem like a Cyke fan? Don't you like the turn the character has taken?

Sure. Doesn't mean most of Matt's pre-Utopia material wasn't meh, though.

In other words, always been on the 'Fraction hasn't been doing great so far but you a$$hole are whining way too much' side.

[X-Man#4]

Sure. Doesn't mean most of Matt's pre-Utopia material wasn't meh, though.

In other words, always been on the 'Fraction hasn't been doing great so far but you a$$hole are whining way too much' side.

I didn't get the last line....to whom are you referring here...the majority of CBR posters? If so, that's not what I meant at all. I like Fraction's run thus far. I think he's been dealt a tough hand in terms of getting al the pieces on the chess board, but now that that's hopefully ovwer with, we'll be able to get back to his great characterization, which, IMO, is the strength of his work.

[Fatguy]

His characterization has been by far his biggest weakness. His stories are fun and entertaining though, so I forgive him.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I didn't get the last line....to whom are you referring here...the majority of CBR posters?

Yes. X-Men fans singling out two supra-women and being okay will all of their predecessors has gotta be the most tragically hilarious thing ever. Same goes for this delusional notion that Fraction started the Pixie thing, lol.

That being said, laughing at Lovelorn & The Science Club was the right thing to do.


If so, that's not what I meant at all. I like Fraction's run thus far. I think he's been dealt a tough hand in terms of getting al the pieces on the chess board, but now that that's hopefully ovwer with, we'll be able to get back to his great characterization, which, IMO, is the strength of his work.

I'll have to respectfully disagree. Pretty much everyone but Emma sounds fine, but the problem is, she's arguably been the biggest player so far.

[Scavenger]

Dazzler is an Omega mutant. Galactus and The Beyonder said so.

Nyah.

Oh please..they were both just trying to bang her.

[X-Man#4]

Yes. X-Men fans singling out two supra-women and being okay will all of their predecessors has gotta be the most tragically hilarious thing ever. Same goes for this delusional notion that Fraction started the Pixie thing, lol.

That being said, laughing at Lovelorn & The Science Club was the right thing to do.



I'll have to respectfully disagree. Pretty much everyone but Emma sounds fine, but the problem is, she's arguably been the biggest player so far.

While I'm not a fan of the Science Club, if that's the worst thing he does he's a better writer than most. Also, am I to understand that you don't enjoy his rendition of Cyke? IMHO, he's been pretty spot on with the characters he's really gotten into. He's really got a good feel for what rings true and what is realisitc for individual characters.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

While I'm not a fan of the Science Club, if that's the worst thing he does he's a better writer than most.

That would be the Sisterhood battle, I suppose. :wink:


Also, am I to understand that you don't enjoy his rendition of Cyke? IMHO, he's been pretty spot on with the characters he's really gotten into. He's really got a good feel for what rings true and what is realisitc for individual characters.

No, I said everyone but Emma was fine.

Of course Cyke got written the best. Hell, I seem to recall even hardcore haters acknowledging that Cyke had some some good scenes under Fraction's pen.

[ExodusCloak]

No, I said everyone but Emma was fine.

I'd say the users in the Emma Frost Appreciation thread have been taking it quite well given some dialogue choices.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'd say the users in the Emma Frost Appreciation thread have been taking it quite well given some dialogue choices.

Didn't like half of them predict she'd genuinely betray Cyke, f**k Namor and go bad? They're still kinda hoping, you know.

Fine, so I did indulge a bit in hyperbole. Still, I ain't exactly far off from got the gist of it.

[ExodusCloak]

Didn't like half of them predict she'd genuinely betray Cyke, f**k Namor and go bad? They're still kinda hoping, you know.

Fine, so I did indulge a bit in hyperbole. Still, I ain't exactly far off from got the gist of it.

Lulz, I just meant that everyone seems rather down about the dialogue issue rather then vocal which I guess is a good thing. Sigh*... I still think Fractions voice isn't as bad as Bendis speak though.

[Dave13]

I can only assume this is sarcasm. Hardcore sarcasm at that.

I'm not being Sarcist it is a Good concept when idiot writers don't abuse in stupid character hype

[Azure]

Wait - where's Pixie?

[frog]

Wait - where's Pixie?

Waiting in the wings to swoop in and save the day after all the senior X-Men fail.

[Azure]

Waiting in the wings to swoop in and save the day after all the senior X-Men fail.

Thank god for that! I was getting worried.

[frog]

Thank god for that! I was getting worried.

Start worrying if DB sticks her in his machine. Her little wings will fall off.

[Azure]

Start worrying if DB sticks her in his machine. Her little wings will fall off.

Pixie isn't going to make the same mistakes that Beast made. She's no fool.

[timbox]

Pixie is most likely immune to that machine anyways. She is protected by magic.

[frog]

Pixie isn't going to make the same mistakes that Beast made. She's no fool.

Pixie is drinking too much and hanging out with Dazzler and Northstar, who both just got pawned by DB. She will probably make worse mistakes!

[Azure]

Pixie is drinking too much and hanging out with Dazzler and Northstar, who both just got pawned by DB. She will probably make worse mistakes!

Pixie uses them to get alcohol, and then abandons them as soon as she notices danger. She's realised that they're worthless in a fight, so she goes to find real X-Men (like her BFFs X-23 and Armor) instead. She'll probably save X-23 from Daken at the end of this issue.

[FeminineMystique]

Pixie uses them to get alcohol, and then abandons them as soon as she notices danger. She's realised that they're worthless in a fight, so she goes to find real X-Men (like her BFFs X-23 and Armor) instead. She'll probably save X-23 from Daken at the end of this issue.

ALL are useless in a fight compared to Pixie. Unless she's up against normal people with no real skills or special powers, in which case she'll get pwned.

[frog]

ALL are useless in a fight compared to Pixie. Unless she's up against normal people with no real skills or special powers, in which case she'll get pwned.

True. Norman will probably send in a janitor to deal with her.

[AcesX1X]

i'd buy 12 copies if someone stuffed pixie into a janitor closet.

[Bamf25]

I give Deodato alot of credit, he has gone from a rather generic artist about 15 years ago, to being one of the most recognizable, and one of the better artists today. His stuff the last few years has just been stunning.

[Dave13]

i'd buy 12 copies if someone stuffed pixie into a janitor closet.

She deserves worse

[FeminineMystique]

True. Norman will probably send in a janitor to deal with her.

Oh it's worse than that, he's sending in Colin the Janitor, of Silent Hill fame! Poor Pixie:eek:

[streator]

this looks kind of sloppy, but the bullseye/archangel stuff seems interesting.

[ankushm999]

The art looks rushed...

[Jay Dogg]

The art looks rushed...

Explain please...

[Ratstar]

this looks kind of sloppy, but the bullseye/archangel stuff seems interesting.

Does Bullseye have anti-apoc+carbonadium arrows or is that just as stupid a fight as it sounds?

[Dave13]

Does Bullseye have anti-apoc+carbonadium arrows or is that just as stupid a fight as it sounds?

Why would Bullseye aim at Angels wings he'll go for Angels Vitals which is just human flesh

[X-Man#4]

She'll probably save X-23 from Daken at the end of this issue.

Given Fraction's characterization, that would certainly be apropos.

[X-Man#4]

No, I said everyone but Emma was fine.
My apologies, I read your original post too fast. TO be honest, I think its hard to write a good Emma, just based on her language alone. Thus far, I like what he's doing, and I even liked the Emma/Namor Annual. (By the way, are we to understand that she was defintely unfaithful???)



Of course Cyke got written the best. Hell, I seem to recall even hardcore haters acknowledging that Cyke had some some good scenes under Fraction's pen.
Agreed. I liked his "Get off my land" speech to Osborn and I really like his take charge attitude here. IMHO, he's always been the best leader available for mutants, and now he's finally getting his due.

[Daniel Mengsk]

IMHO, he's always been the best leader available for mutants, and now he's finally getting his due.

To be honest, I like Storm better as a leader - she listens to her people, Scott is a bit to dictatorial at this moment.

[X-Man#4]

To be honest, I like Storm better as a leader - she listens to her people, Scott is a bit to dictatorial at this moment.

On the contrary, s Cyke said in the MC crossover when Xavier offered to help "Two heads go in two different directions" (I'm paraphrasing there). Mutatns have never faced a plight so terrible and they need a strong leader to make the tough decisions, not hold a referendum every time there's a dispute about who gets the graveyard night patrol shift.

PS. Storm's not really helping out her people all the way over in Wakanda is she.....& the truth is, she could never really hold a candle to Cyke in terms of leadership (as evidenced by the "Worlds Apart" mini written by everyone's favorite writer).

[AcesX1X]

Given Fraction's characterization, that would certainly be apropos.

x-man#4,

care to elaborate?

i hope this post finds you well.

best,

acesx1x

[Daniel Mengsk]

PS. Storm's not really helping out her people all the way over in Wakanda is she.....& the truth is, she could never really hold a candle to Cyke in terms of leadership (as evidenced by the "Worlds Apart" mini written by everyone's favorite writer).

Actually, with "her people" I ment mutants. I don' know, if you by leadership mean someone who sends out teenagers on highly questionable covert missions, than yes, I would much rather prefer Ororo as a leader over Scott.

[X-Man#4]

x-man#4,

care to elaborate?

i hope this post finds you well.

best,

acesx1x


Certainly I would Acesx1x. I simply mean that in Fraction's run, X23 has had a propensity for "being in need of saving". This event (Pixie saving X23 from Daken) would further establish this character trait in X23 (being in need of protection and serving as a team liability, a trait first cultivated in the first arc of X-Force). I beleiev by fostering the quality in X23, it wold help balance her portrayal in other books. As Fraction seems to have a frim grasp on his characters and how to write them, I trust that he would handle this seminal moment in X23's development maginificently.

In closing, I hope that you found my response to be worthy of yor time and that you've had an enjoyable day thus far.

Regards,
X-Man#4

[coveredinbees]

Certainly I would Acesx1x. I simply mean that in Fraction's run, X23 has had a propensity for "being in need of saving". This event (Pixie saving X23 from Daken) would further establish this character trait in X23 (being in need of protection and serving as a team liability, a trait first cultivated in the first arc of X-Force). I beleiev by fostering the quality in X23, it wold help balance her portrayal in other books. As Fraction seems to have a frim grasp on his characters and how to write them, I trust that he would handle this seminal moment in X23's development maginificently.

In closing, I hope that you found my response to be worthy of yor time and that you've had an enjoyable day thus far.

Regards,
X-Man#4
It doesn't balance a character if she's written completely different in two books that take place around the same time.

[Robbiebob_16]

Given Fraction's characterization, that would certainly be apropos.
oh god I hope not. I don't mind Pixie, but I dislike how Fraction has her as the badass of the team, and tries to pass it off as irony. NOT COOL.

[X-Man#4]

It doesn't balance a character if she's written comepetely different in two books that take place around the same time.

If in one book she is written outlandishly and made to be a characiture, the only way to make her existence plausble is not to further the mischaracterization, but to tone down her "Mary Sue"ness by writing her as a realisitc character.

[X-Man#4]

oh god I hope not. I don't mind Pixie, but I dislike how Fraction has her as the badass of the team, and tries to pass it off as irony. NOT COOL.

I think he's just showing character development. To me this smacks of good storytelling and a writer who's truly cognizant of what a comic should be.

[Azure]

Oh, yay. This thread is going places.

[coveredinbees]

If in one book she is written outlandishly and made to be a characiture, the only way to make her existence plausble is not to further the mischaracterization, but to tone down her "Mary Sue"ness by writing her as a realisitc character.
But by toning down that Mary Sueness he's not being true to her. She began as a powerful character and she should continue to be one. Fraction went too far with the weakening and intead of making her realistic he's mafe her almost unrecognizable as X-23.


Oh, yay. This thread is going places.
We're only having a polite conversation about our hopes for X-23 during the crossover, Azure.

[Robbiebob_16]

I think he's just showing character development. To me this smacks of good storytelling and a writer who's truly cognizant of what a comic should be.
I don't hate the character, and I don't hate Fraction. What I hate is a helpless X-23 and Armor who have to be bailed out by Pixie. The "dark" Pixie is kind of a cool thing to do with her. I liked her X-fernus storyline, and the addition of teleportation powers. I think that was character development in and of itself.

[Ratstar]

Why would Bullseye aim at Angels wings he'll go for Angels Vitals which is just human flesh
healing factor/ nerdmoan


I don't hate the character, and I don't hate Fraction. What I hate is a helpless X-23 and Armor who have to be bailed out by Pixie. The "dark" Pixie is kind of a cool thing to do with her. I liked her X-fernus storyline, and the addition of teleportation powers. I think that was character development in and of itself.
I think I missed something... Where was X-23 helpless and bailed out by Pixie? I thought that was just something posters were expecting, unless I blanked out an issue. All I remember of X-23 in Fraction's Uncanny was the towel thing. And probably an appearance in the Land issues, but I couldn't recognise some of the characters because of the tracing and recycling.

Also, portraying her as "needing help" (particularly when she shouldn't) is not good character development, unless there's actually something solid and in depth about it.

I liked Pixie before Fraction, and I kind of like her under Fraction, but the two are like seperate characters. Fraction's hasn't had a good grasp of the character but has been a nice kind of a vanilla coming of age. But I don't like when her previous development is contradicted so much, whether it's her personality, aging or simply her hair and eyes (her eyes were made black again when fans requested it, Ramos had her hair mostly black with pink streaks, Land did it mostly pink with black streaks, on the Exodus cover it's completely pink with normal eyes)

[X-Man#4]

But by toning down that Mary Sueness he's not being true to her. She began as a powerful character and she should continue to be one. Fraction went too far with the weakening and intead of making her realistic he's mafe her almost unrecognizable as X-23.

I think Fraction just recgonized a character taht had become a characiture and realized that in order to save her and make her a legitimate part of the X-Universe, she had to be less of a Mary Sue. IMHO, he's really got a good grasp no X23.....she's a character taht's fundamentally damaged (and thus prone to mistakes...one can argue that her gaffes have directly led to the fracturing of the X-Men and helped aid in the formatoin and maintaining of the Dark Regin) and still trying to make her way in the world. That's a character I love reading about.


We're only having a polite conversation about our hopes for X-23 during the crossover, Azure.

Don't mind her, she's just spoiling for a fight.

[X-Man#4]

I don't hate the character, and I don't hate Fraction. What I hate is a helpless X-23 and Armor who have to be bailed out by Pixie. The "dark" Pixie is kind of a cool thing to do with her. I liked her X-fernus storyline, and the addition of teleportation powers. I think that was character development in and of itself.

What's wrong with Armor and X23 needing help? Even the strongest and most veteran characters are in need of help now and again, so it makes sense that wto of the least powerful and least experienced characters would need help (though you wouln't get taht idea from reading X-Force).

And what I hate is X-Force (the whole team) having to be bailed out by X23 all the time. So I guess neither of us gets what we want lol!:smile:

[Robbiebob_16]

healing factor/ nerdmoan


I think I missed something... Where was X-23 helpless and bailed out by Pixie? I thought that was just something posters were expecting, unless I blanked out an issue. All I remember of X-23 in Fraction's Uncanny was the towel thing. And probably an appearance in the Land issues, but I couldn't recognise some of the characters because of the tracing and recycling.

Also, portraying her as "needing help" (particularly when she shouldn't) is not good character development, unless there's actually something solid and in depth about it.

I liked Pixie before Fraction, and I kind of like her under Fraction, but the two are like seperate characters. Fraction's hasn't had a good grasp of the character but has been a nice kind of a vanilla coming of age. But I don't like when her previous development is contradicted so much, whether it's her personality, aging or simply her hair and eyes (her eyes were made black again when fans requested it, Ramos had her hair mostly black with pink streaks, Land did it mostly pink with black streaks, on the Exodus cover it's completely pink with normal eyes)
I think it was issue #410.... When the Sisterhood attacked. I hear you about Land's art though. I like her with mostly pink hair too, and the black eyes are very neat.

[Robbiebob_16]

What's wrong with Armor and X23 needing help? Even the strongest and most veteran characters are in need of help now and again, so it makes sense that wto of the least powerful and least experienced characters would need help (though you wouln't get taht idea from reading X-Force).

And what I hate is X-Force (the whole team) having to be bailed out by X23 all the time. So I guess neither of us gets what we want lol!:smile:
Apparently not! lol. But for the record, I don't mind Laura/Armor being helped. But I didn't want Pixie doing it! It made her look like an omega level RA at Xavier's! Your assesment of Laura's powers saddens me, but i'll let it go since I really do like both Pixie and X-23.:biggrin:

[Azure]

I am an ANGRY WOMAN

[Robbiebob_16]

I am an ANGRY WOMAN
Why Azure?:frown:

[coveredinbees]

I think Fraction just recgonized a character taht had become a characiture and realized that in order to save her and make her a legitimate part of the X-Universe, she had to be less of a Mary Sue. IMHO, he's really got a good grasp no X23.....she's a character taht's fundamentally damaged (and thus prone to mistakes...one can argue that her gaffes have directly led to the fracturing of the X-Men and helped aid in the formatoin and maintaining of the Dark Regin) and still trying to make her way in the world. That's a character I love reading about.
I think he has a very, very strong grip on all of the characters he's using, and I hope it didn't come off like I think he's writing poorly. I only disagree about his X-23 nerf because he's sent her to the opposite side of the power spectrum, and that won't help her any more than being a Mary-Sue would.

[Azure]

Why Azure?:frown:

CBR has made me gender confused :frown:

edit: WAITAMINUTE. Coveredinbees has just changed into a sexy new avatar! All is well with the World!

[Ratstar]

What's wrong with Armor and X23 needing help? Even the strongest and most veteran characters are in need of help now and again, so it makes sense that wto of the least powerful and least experienced characters would need help (though you wouln't get taht idea from reading X-Force).

And what I hate is X-Force (the whole team) having to be bailed out by X23 all the time. So I guess neither of us gets what we want lol!:smile:

Least experienced? For Armor, sure. Least powerful? For either, no.

Bailed out by X23 all the time? She failed on her first mission and Archangel was the main one to win the battle, though was more of a group effort. In Old Ghosts, procuring Mr. Porter was a group effort led by Domino. Then Elixir was the one to bail X23 out. And we already know the current arc involves X23 needing to be bailed out by X-Force. Or someone.

[Waterlily]

I am an ANGRY WOMAN

Ovaries!



They are contagious.

[Azure]

Ovaries!



They are contagious.

Let's go... shoe shopping, and then we can sit and gossip about men, and then... uh... we'll eat ice cream and do some knitting. Yeah?

[Waterlily]

Let's go... shoe shopping, and then we can sit and gossip about [wo]men, and then... uh... we'll eat ice cream and do some knitting. Yeah?

Yes! I'll paint your nails, too.



Then we can let Seres have her way with us.

[coveredinbees]

Get me a beer.

[Azure]

Get me a beer.

We're going to go paint our nails and then experience sapphic love. Wanna come with us?

[Waterlily]

We're going to go paint our nails and then experience sapphic love. Wanna come with us?

I'll bring the beer.

[coveredinbees]

We're going to go paint our nails and then experience sapphic love. Wanna come with us?
Maybe if you help me do my hair nice.

[Azure]

OMG let's give each other makeovers!

Look at these adorable little kittens, girls!

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/kittensorangelarge.jpg

[Robbiebob_16]

Least experienced? For Armor, sure. Least powerful? For either, no.

Bailed out by X23 all the time? She failed on her first mission and Archangel was the main one to win the battle, though was more of a group effort. In Old Ghosts, procuring Mr. Porter was a group effort led by Domino. Then Elixir was the one to bail X23 out. And we already know the current arc involves X23 needing to be bailed out by X-Force. Or someone.
Quoted for truth. Maybe that someone will be Hellion???!! Yikes, I am such a fangirl. Maybe I should join Azure and Waterlily in their feminine romp. It will be so much fun!:biggrin:

[Waterlily]

I've got stickers, markers and glittery glue. We should draw pictures of unicorns with bunnies. So cute!

http://www.joethepeacock.com/uploaded_images/unicorn-puzzle-703228.jpg

[Prodigy55]

Azure is deceiving you all!

[Robbiebob_16]

I've got stickers, markers and glittery glue. We should draw pictures of unicorns with bunnies. So cute!

http://www.joethepeacock.com/uploaded_images/unicorn-puzzle-703228.jpg
We should totally bedazzle the hell out of sweaters. And discuss Oprah and estrogen while watching Sex and the City!! YAY!!

[Azure]

We should totally bedazzle the hell out of sweaters. And discuss Oprah and estrogen while watching Sex and the City!! YAY!!

Yes! That's a show that we - three women - would really enjoy watching together!


I've got stickers, markers and glittery glue. We should draw pictures of unicorns with bunnies. So cute!

You're such a Charlotte!


Azure is deceiving you all!

You're such a Miranda :mad:

[Robbiebob_16]

Yes! That's a show that we - three women - would really enjoy watching together!
You're such a Charlotte!
You're such a Miranda :mad:

very nice. Sounds like a lot of fun. But only if I get to be Samantha. Love me some fierce cougar.

[Azure]

very nice. Sounds like a lot of fun. But only if I get to be Samantha. Love me some fierce cougar.

You'll have to wrestle Seres for that honour.

[Waterlily]

Azure is deceiving you all!

No, he's not. He totally caught ovaries from me. (one of Seres's experiments)


We should totally bedazzle the hell out of sweaters. And discuss Oprah and estrogen while watching Sex and the City!! YAY!!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/3615129500_c279f9c6c3.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/staceyrebecca/3615129500/


Yes! That's a show that we - three women - would really enjoy watching together!



You're such a Charlotte!



You're such a Miranda :mad:

He's just jealous since he's got a penis.

[Robbiebob_16]

No, he's not. He totally caught ovaries from me. (one of Seres's experiments)



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/3615129500_c279f9c6c3.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/staceyrebecca/3615129500/



He's just jealous since he's got a penis.
Thank you for posting that and making my life complete.


You'll have to wrestle Seres for that honour.
I'm actually scared to duke it out with Seres, as lovely as she is, she's very powerful.:eek: I'll settle with Miranda, the practical one.

[Azure]

No, he's not. He totally caught ovaries from me. (one of Seres's experiments)

She gave me some whisky but then I woke up and it was next month and I wasn't shortsighted anymore. And that was the least of my changes.


He's just jealous since he's got a penis.

Ha! Yeah! YEAH! Wait.


I'm actually scared to duke it out with Seres, as lovely as she is, she's very powerful.:eek: I'll settle with Miranda, the practical one.

She's very gymnastic, but you could probably take her. Y'know, in battle.

[Robbiebob_16]

She gave me some whisky but then I woke up and it was next month and I wasn't shortsighted anymore. And that was the least of my changes.



Ha! Yeah! YEAH! Wait.



She's very gymnastic, but you could probably take her. Y'know, in battle.
Yea, look at my pics in "Cast me".... i'm a weakling!

[Azure]

Yea, look at my pics in "Cast me".... i'm a weakling!

You have my support. Go choke a bitch! Do you not put the 'grrrrrrr' in 'grrrrrrrrrrl'? And then afterwards we'll have some wine and go see a West-End production of 'Wicked'.

[Dave13]

Least experienced? For Armor, sure. Least powerful? For either, no.

Bailed out by X23 all the time? She failed on her first mission and Archangel was the main one to win the battle, though was more of a group effort. In Old Ghosts, procuring Mr. Porter was a group effort led by Domino. Then Elixir was the one to bail X23 out. And we already know the current arc involves X23 needing to be bailed out by X-Force. Or someone.

Very Well wrote but unfortunatly i doubt it will shut him up, his X-23 Hate is Known.

If he could only dedicate his beautifull hate to a worthy Character it would be priceless!

[Supercoolshay]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/staceyrebecca/3615129500/
.

omg. Why!?

[Samuraixsithlord]

I saw metal coils wrapping around Dark Beast. Does that mean Magneto is joining the fight?

[Monty_Cristo]

I saw metal coils wrapping around Dark Beast. Does that mean Magneto is joining the fight?

you're forgetting about that green jobber mutant 'Meld' (i think that's his name). he controls metal.

http://www.comicvine.com/meld/29-15070/

[darknessatnoon]

I saw metal coils wrapping around Dark Beast. Does that mean Magneto is joining the fight?

It's Madison Jeffries. He's running alongside Dr. Nemesis like a puppy.

[Robbiebob_16]

You have my support. Go choke a bitch! Do you not put the 'grrrrrrr' in 'grrrrrrrrrrl'? And then afterwards we'll have some wine and go see a West-End production of 'Wicked'.
very good. You have my support! by the way you had me at "grrrrr"

[Samuraixsithlord]

you're forgetting about that green jobber mutant 'Meld' (i think that's his name). he controls metal.

http://www.comicvine.com/meld/29-15070/

thinks dream stomper

[Goshin]

It's Madison Jeffries. He's running alongside Dr. Nemesis like a puppy.

the redneck in the flannel shirt?

[X-Man#4]

Actually, with "her people" I ment mutants. I don' know, if you by leadership mean someone who sends out teenagers on highly questionable covert missions, than yes, I would much rather prefer Ororo as a leader over Scott.

Actually, with "her people" I meant mutants as well. They're fighting not to be put in concentration camps and she's sitting by the bed of her invalid husband. Fair enough and I understand hre reasoning....but to then claim she's a leader o mutantkind is inappropriate becasue she's made it clear where her loyalties lie. At the very least, one can say that Scott has always (I'm sure some obscure example will now be provided) put his own happiness, and even that of his family, behind that of protecting his people.

IMHO, there is really nothing questionable about the missions X-Force is being sent on--they must do so to protect their people. And as for sending out a teenager.....clearly you havent been on the X23 thread much:biggrin: . She's more powerful/valuable than all the other X-Men put together.:rolleyes:

[X-Man#4]

I am an ANGRY WOMAN

LOL. Mea culpa sir.

[frog]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/3615129500_c279f9c6c3.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/staceyrebecca/3615129500/





Now that's worth a LOL!

[infernohara]

I can't believe the total ownage that the Dark Avengers and X-men are recieving by the regular X-men in these previews. It also looks like Colossus may be pushing Venoms jaw all the way back in the next scene.

Somebody needs to save bullseye because that is a seriously one sided match. Though I love how angel is all nice guy until he gets you in a secluded area and ravages you.

Hopefully releasing the omega machine mutants will turn this all around and Dark beast better not die.

[SayOcean]

Though I love how angel is all nice guy until he gets you in a secluded area and ravages you.
Sounds like Father Delaney from Summer Camp

[BBeeryan]

I'm glad Storm isn't here. And the Dark X-men share in my delight.

[mikekerr3]

I can't believe the total ownage that the Dark Avengers and X-men are recieving by the regular X-men in these previews. It also looks like Colossus may be pushing Venoms jaw all the way back in the next scene.

Somebody needs to save bullseye because that is a seriously one sided match. Though I love how angel is all nice guy until he gets you in a secluded area and ravages you.

Hopefully releasing the omega machine mutants will turn this all around and Dark beast better not die.

AS much as I really hate to say anything about Fraction he looks like he got the relative power level between Collussus and Venom right, though I am afraid he will follow Bends lead and have Bullseye, a streeet level type, beat the F'ng Archangel, but I will wait and see. The X-men should be PWNing the Dark Avengers, if Sentry isn't there, they have defeated far worse.

[infernohara]

AS much as I really hate to say anything about Fraction he looks like he got the relative power level between Collussus and Venom right, though I am afraid he will follow Bends lead and have Bullseye, a streeet level type, beat the F'ng Archangel, but I will wait and see. The X-men should be PWNing the Dark Avengers, if Sentry isn't there, they have defeated far worse.

I totally disagree. Sure Sentry is the strongest on the team (and subject to all those dang psychics), but Marvel boy would be able to own alot of them like he did the young avengers. Karla shouldn't even be getting hit and curse you psylocke for stabbing dark beast!!! Still I love all these characters so I'd like to see how this pans out.......

Also having Nekra is just unfair.......no X-men should have to worry about dying with her around.

[Omega Alpha]

I totally disagree. Sure Sentry is the strongest on the team (and subject to all those dang psychics), but Marvel boy would be able to own alot of them like he did the young avengers. Karla shouldn't even be getting hit and curse you psylocke for stabbing dark beast!!! Still I love all these characters so I'd like to see how this pans out.......

Also having Nekra is just unfair.......no X-men should have to worry about dying with her around.

Is Marvel Boy even there? I don't remember seeing him, and Bendis' last issue had him on the run.

[yanapryde]

I totally disagree. Sure Sentry is the strongest on the team (and subject to all those dang psychics), but Marvel boy would be able to own alot of them like he did the young avengers. Karla shouldn't even be getting hit and curse you psylocke for stabbing dark beast!!! Still I love all these characters so I'd like to see how this pans out.......

Also having Nekra is just unfair.......no X-men should have to worry about dying with her around.

Who IS this Nekra chick anyhow? How does she negate the conern of death?

I must agree that Marvel Boy and Moonstone-Ms.Marvel are the heavier hitters of the group.

[FeminineMystique]

We're going to go paint our nails and then experience sapphic love. Wanna come with us?

OOOO! OOO! Me too! Me too!:biggrin: :wink:

[4sake]

Is Marvel Boy even there? I don't remember seeing him, and Bendis' last issue had him on the run.

He has been seen/shown yet, I doubt he show up in this crossover.

[4sake]

Who IS this Nekra chick anyhow? How does she negate the conern of death?

I must agree that Marvel Boy and Moonstone-Ms.Marvel are the heavier hitters of the group.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Nekra_Sinclair_(Earth-616)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nekra

http://www.comicvine.com/nekra/29-13896/

[XaviersMisprint]

Who IS this Nekra chick anyhow? How does she negate the conern of death?

I must agree that Marvel Boy and Moonstone-Ms.Marvel are the heavier hitters of the group.

yanayaananayaynyanayayanananana Nekra is the tits! Check her out on wiki and check out her daughter Death Reaper. So good.

[Ratstar]

yanayaananayaynyanayayanananana Nekra is the tits! Check her out on wiki and check out her daughter Death Reaper. So good.

Her appearance in Loners ruined any chance of me taking her seriously.

These nonsensical background extra appearances are annoying, but it's cool to see characters again too. Somebody go link Fraction to a Shortpack page :wink:

[Monty_Cristo]

Her appearance in Loners ruined any chance of me taking her seriously.

These nonsensical background extra appearances are annoying, but it's cool to see characters again too. Somebody go link Fraction to a Shortpack page :wink:

do it! do eeeeeeeet!

[infernohara]

Well Marvelboy is supposed to be in this crossover. They mentioned him and some of the X-girls (like he was gonna hook up with one of them). Maybe Psylocke is keeping him busy and outta the fight before she pulls that fast one on Dark Beast. Will any of the AoA creations survive the Marvel onslaught!! Jeez.

Anywho......Nekra is a great character. If you ignore loners, which she should have own those little kids btw then you know she is a Avengeresque threat. She hates norman osborn (and you'll find out why in Lethal Legion #3 in a comic near you) and there is no doubt she can take out some Dark Avengers and ressurrect any dead X-men. I expect Daken to take her out with his phermones, but we'll see.

Something is wrong with this preview. Not even one of the questionable good characters are shown here. No Emma, Cloak, Dagger, Namor, Marvel boy, Mimic or Ares. It doesn't really look good for the known evil to be getting their assess handed while the questionably good guys are relaxing off panel. Perhaps Omega Alpha you were correct with the implosion from the Dark X-men perspective. I hope you're not, but maybe you're on to something.....

[mikekerr3]

I totally disagree. Sure Sentry is the strongest on the team (and subject to all those dang psychics), but Marvel boy would be able to own alot of them like he did the young avengers. Karla shouldn't even be getting hit and curse you psylocke for stabbing dark beast!!! Still I love all these characters so I'd like to see how this pans out.......

Also having Nekra is just unfair.......no X-men should have to worry about dying with her around.

karla should ot be getting hit by rogue you are right , the Cukoo's should just brainfry the vile piece of gtoxic waste into a coma, or have Ilyanna or Pixie just teleport her into hell, since that is her goal anyway. She would be right at home.

Marvel boy is toast with iceman or Cyclops on the scene, Colossus might need a little help from Rockslide or Canonball to fight out Ares and that's a maybe, but since they are actually trained to fight as a team just have all three do it

Bullseye could be handled by many or the new our Young Avengers, i would prefer Dust, she would leave nothing but an adamantium skeleton, she knows his kind from home, and what exactly would he aim at, or hurt when he hit?:cool:

The biggest point is the X-men are trained t fight as a team covering each other backs, the DA are mostly a danger to each other as well as whomever they are fighting

With the exception of Ares there is nobody on the DA team in SF that's not usually a one and done pushover who loses as the normal course of events, Ares usually takes a bit longer before his ass get kicked as it usually does.

In and Avengers center status quo I understand the reason they have the DA be a real threat but it is a bit silly, the elevation of Bullseye from a street level threat to someone who battles people who have experience fighting planetary threats is the prim example of this. A pretty good premise pushed int the ridiculous

[Perfection/Emma 2]

karla should ot be getting hit by rogue you are right , the Cukoo's should just brainfry the vile piece of gtoxic waste into a coma, or have Ilyanna or Pixie just teleport her into hell, since that is her goal anyway. She would be right at home.

Marvel boy is toast with iceman or Cyclops on the scene, Colossus might need a little help from Rockslide or Canonball to fight out Ares and that's a maybe, but since they are actually trained to fight as a team just have all three do it

Bullseye could be handled by many or the new our Young Avengers, i would prefer Dust, she would leave nothing but an adamantium skeleton, she knows his kind from home, and what exactly would he aim at, or hurt when he hit?:cool:

The biggest point is the X-men are trained t fight as a team covering each other backs, the DA are mostly a danger to each other as well as whomever they are fighting

With the exception of Ares there is nobody on the DA team in SF that's not usually a one and done pushover who loses as the normal course of events, Ares usually takes a bit longer before his ass get kicked as it usually does.

In and Avengers center status quo I understand the reason they have the DA be a real threat but it is a bit silly, the elevation of Bullseye from a street level threat to someone who battles people who have experience fighting planetary threats is the prim example of this. A pretty good premise pushed int the ridiculous

Rachel could pwnd the DA all by herself

[yanapryde]

karla should ot be getting hit by rogue you are right , the Cukoo's should just brainfry the vile piece of gtoxic waste into a coma, or have Ilyanna or Pixie just teleport her into hell, since that is her goal anyway. She would be right at home.

Marvel boy is toast with iceman or Cyclops on the scene, Colossus might need a little help from Rockslide or Canonball to fight out Ares and that's a maybe, but since they are actually trained to fight as a team just have all three do it

Bullseye could be handled by many or the new our Young Avengers, i would prefer Dust, she would leave nothing but an adamantium skeleton, she knows his kind from home, and what exactly would he aim at, or hurt when he hit?:cool:

The biggest point is the X-men are trained t fight as a team covering each other backs, the DA are mostly a danger to each other as well as whomever they are fighting

With the exception of Ares there is nobody on the DA team in SF that's not usually a one and done pushover who loses as the normal course of events, Ares usually takes a bit longer before his ass get kicked as it usually does.

In and Avengers center status quo I understand the reason they have the DA be a real threat but it is a bit silly, the elevation of Bullseye from a street level threat to someone who battles people who have experience fighting planetary threats is the prim example of this. A pretty good premise pushed int the ridiculous

You make excellent strategic moves here.

Cuckoos and/or Illyana to handle Ms.Loony-Marvel-Wannabe

Iceman/Cyke to take on Kree-reject.

Colossus and Cannonball to TKO Ares. Hopefully.

And Dust could easily take out Bullseye. What would he shoot at?

[AcesX1X]

Rachel could pwnd the DA all by herself

rachel can barely walk without falling on her face. i don't see her realistically doing much damage to the dark avengers.

[Novaya Havoc]

rachel can barely walk without falling on her face. i don't see her realistically doing much damage to the dark avengers.

++++++++++++++++

[jarrod]

rachel can barely walk without falling on her face. i don't see her realistically doing much damage to the dark avengers.
She and Daken would make quite the couple...

[infernohara]

You make excellent strategic moves here.

Cuckoos and/or Illyana to handle Ms.Loony-Marvel-Wannabe

Iceman/Cyke to take on Kree-reject.

Colossus and Cannonball to TKO Ares. Hopefully.

And Dust could easily take out Bullseye. What would he shoot at?

Seriously?! That some funny stuff you're saying here.

Psychics vs. intangible characters = Epic fail! Emma tried this once with kitty.....doesn't work. I highly doubt Yana can do much (if she does anything) to Karla.

If you're serious about Iceman and Cyke taking out marvel boy....then....then I feel sorry for you!! I doubt they'd even see him as hes knocked them both out.

I won't say anything bad about Cannonball so your shot at Ares can pass.

Uhhh... Has dust even been shown lately? Bullseye isn't an unstoppable monster, just a stealth genuis. He works alot better when people don't know where he is (hence Cyclops smart decision to take him out early).

Mikekerr3, so you actually want Ares to win right? Putting Cannonball, Rockslide and colossus on a team is a complete disaster. Rockslide take orders from Sam or actually listen to Colossus? Yeah right.

The thing about bullseye you guys don't get is hes mostly stealth. He'd handle a lot of characters more than you think. I'm sure dust would get owned before she even "dusted up" (which I'm sure she won't be so rash to do now). He would lose if she knew where he was though. Mostly her since he could out fight most of those kids. Your Bullseye hate is strong though.

I know the X-men are trained, but I know that Venom and Bullseye have each others backs when push comes to shove and Moonstone may help them as well. They do form Norman's trinity. Also messing with Marvel boy's warm apple pie isn't a smart move and lets not forget the Sentry. DA has more going for them than you think, if anything the DX are sloppy.

I'm ever so happy that fraction decided to make Dark Beast have an out of character moment and try and take on 2 X-men by himself without even a vial of something nasty to toss. I mean its not like he ever was an x-man or anything.....

[Hakael]

Sam could theoretically hold his own against Ares if he redirected the kinetic energy from Ares' blows into his blast field. It would require a lot of concentration on his part, but he could keep up.

And Rockslide could just keep coming back. Does Ares tire?

[Dave13]

Sam could theoretically hold his own against Ares if he redirected the kinetic energy from Ares' blows into his blast field. It would require a lot of concentration on his part, but he could keep up.

And Rockslide could just keep coming back. Does Ares tire?

Sam doesn't redirect Kinetic energy thought his mutant ability is Generation of Thermo-kinetic energy, i've never heard of him redirecting Kinetic energy like Shaw or Maverik

If Olympians are like Asgardians then No Ares doesn't tire

[worstblogever]

Psychics vs. intangible characters = Epic fail! Emma tried this once with kitty.....doesn't work. I highly doubt Yana can do much (if she does anything) to Karla.


Did you know there's a scene during "Blinded by the Light" where Exodus telepathically forced Kitty to partially phase herself into a wall? I believe that's X-Men (vol. 2) #202, if memory serves. And that story also revealed Emma herself had telepathically rewritten Kitty's memory so she perceived a blank journal to be Destiny's diaries.

Or the entire "Torn" arc of Astonishing, where Kitty was being telepathically affected by Cassandra Nova the whole time she was phasing in and out. That might be why Emma couldn't affect her at the time- Cassie was in her head first.

Just sayin', it's possible.

[claimtosubclaim]

Sam doesn't redirect Kinetic energy thought his mutant ability is Generation of Thermo-kinetic energy, i've never heard of him redirecting Kinetic energy like Shaw or Maverik


He redirected the kinetic energy of Gladiator's strongest punch, and turned it on Gladiator.

[worstblogever]

He redirected the kinetic energy of Gladiator's strongest punch, and turned it on Gladiator.

Word. In the classic Uncanny X-Men #341.

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/101/3830_20060729201354_large.jpg

This is Sam's true arrival in the big time, for me.

[steve2275]

He redirected the kinetic energy of Gladiator's strongest punch, and turned it on Gladiator.
thats what i thought he did

[Dave13]

He redirected the kinetic energy of Gladiator's strongest punch, and turned it on Gladiator.

Okay very impresive, Just got to figure out how it's possible

[4sake]

Word. In the classic Uncanny X-Men #341.

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/101/3830_20060729201354_large.jpg

This is Sam's true arrival in the big time, for me.

I remember going in my older brother's room (he's 14 yrs older than me) & looking at that comic (I had to be about 10-12 at the time). I had know Idea what was going on lol :confused: , who most of the characters in the comics were, but I did think it was cool as h#ll lol :cool:

[Hakael]

Word. In the classic Uncanny X-Men #341.

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/101/3830_20060729201354_large.jpg

This is Sam's true arrival in the big time, for me.

One of my favorite issues of Uncanny ever...

[Nicoclaws]

He redirected the kinetic energy of Gladiator's strongest punch, and turned it on Gladiator.

Oh ? I thought he just gave him a big punch, and Gladiator being all non-confident because his own punch had been stopped easily, he was totally weak to the attack. Been a long time I didn't read this.

[scouse mouse]

yanayaananayaynyanayayanananana Nekra is the tits! Check her out on wiki and check out her daughter Death Reaper. So good.

I like her. How can I not love a black, albino, voodoo vampiress!

[chemicalx]

Oh ? I thought he just gave him a big punch, and Gladiator being all non-confident because his own punch had been stopped easily, he was totally weak to the attack. Been a long time I didn't read this.

yeah a lot of people think that. He really just redirected Gladiators blow. He did get in some good hits using his blast field but the fight got stopped when the rest of the x-men showed up...

[Daniel Mengsk]

yeah a lot of people think that. He really just redirected Gladiators blow. He did get in some good hits using his blast field but the fight got stopped when the rest of the x-men showed up...

I never understood the character of Gladiator; first he's was prepared to almost murder Sam - the next moment he didn't want to send the guy that almost defeated him, into another battle because that would have been a dishonorable thing to do to someone as young as Sam. Talk about having double-morals.

[chemicalx]

I never understood the character of Gladiator; first he's was prepared to almost murder Sam - the next moment he didn't want to send the guy that almost defeated him, into another battle because that would have been a dishonorable thing to do to someone as young as Sam. Talk about having double-morals.

I think it was because he really didnt come there to fight. He was there to get the x-men's help and his anger got the best of him. He really wasnt close to being defeated. Just after Sam's big finish Gladiator was ready to take him out when the rest of the x-men showed up...

[CmX]

I really liked #341 also, it had a classic read to it and it was a holiday issue! I miss captions on the covers also.