JL: Cry For Justice #2 Preview (Spoilers) [Archive]

WorstThingUS

08-03-2009, 09:22 AM

Ikonic

08-03-2009, 09:32 AM

ryerye17

08-03-2009, 09:40 AM

Ugh. Thank you, James Robinson, for reminding me why I don't waste my money on you any longer. How sad is it that the biggest accomplishment of actually allowing adult superheroes to have adult sex lives is a neverending series of the lamest jokes? I'm sure Winnick loved this. It's about on his level. And given this has been turned into a finite series and one issue has been wasted on screaming "Justice" for 30 pages, do they have time to waste like this?

but...but..but..but I absolutely love Winick and I pick up his issues a lot. I think his works on Terry Berg on Green Lantern, Mia on Green Arrow, Grace and Thunder on Outsiders was just LOVE LOVE AND LOVE

..and I find sex comments and gender issues in comics just absolutely fun

ScottyQuick

08-03-2009, 09:47 AM

WorstThingUS

08-03-2009, 09:47 AM

..and I find sex comments and gender issues in comics just absolutely fun

I'd prefer them a bit more grown up and beyond frat boy winking and elbowing about what a "stud" Hal is. Especially at the expense of characters like The Huntress and Lady Blackhawk, the former who'd never sleep with him and the latter who'd drink him under the table and leave him there. That Robinson would write him wanting to be known for being a pilot is the height of irony as I'm sure Lady Blackhawk would prefer that as well, but instead he makes her another conquest.

ryerye17

08-03-2009, 09:55 AM

I love a lot of Winick's work too, and I think acknowledging that yes, adults have SEX, can be great so long as it isn't detrimental to story (frex, Dinah/Ollie's entire relationship being built on great sex, or Dick/Kory).

However, this mini's being advertised as "WILL CHANGE THE DCU!". Why waste so many pages with sex jokes?

uhm..because it's fun? I'm sorry, am I the only one really who finds this panel really really fun? and that's speaking as a non-heterosexual male person, so you can't really accuse me of Helena-Zelda fantasies.

Personamanx

08-03-2009, 09:55 AM

I honestly cannot see why so many people seem to dislike this book so far.
Is it the Greatest? No, not at all, not in any way.
Is It enjoyable? Yes. Solid Story, Fairly good Dialogue (Not sure if it's out of Character. Never really read much with these Characters), And the Art Is spectacular.

Just my two cents, I always seem to be amazingly Positive about most comics.

Hullababy

08-03-2009, 09:56 AM

Does Robinson not read other books ? In blackest night #0, Hal said despite all the differences he and Bruce had, at the end of the day they respected each other and were friends.

Andrew_White

08-03-2009, 10:01 AM

Does Robinson not read other books ? In blackest night #0, Hal said despite all the differences he and Bruce had, at the end of the day they respected each other and were friends.

To give Robinson some credit for this - chances are that Cry For Justice #2 was written before the script to Blackest Night #0 was finalised as Mauro Cascioli's art takes AGES!

WorstThingUS

08-03-2009, 10:05 AM

uhm..because it's fun? I'm sorry, am I the only one really who finds this panel really really fun? and that's speaking as a non-heterosexual male person, so you can't really accuse me of Helena-Zelda fantasies.

Gail Simone writes fun sex dialogue. This on the other hand is 1) immature, 2) horribly out of place in a book about seeking justice for the deaths of loved ones and friends and 3) it doesn't show any knowledge of the female characters used, but that's par the course with Robinson I'm learning.

(Not sure if it's out of Character. Never really read much with these Characters)

And therein lies the key to your enjoyment. But honestly, you liked a book of someone screaming "Justice" on every other page?

Does Robinson not read other books ? In blackest night #0, Hal said despite all the differences he and Bruce had, at the end of the day they respected each other and were friends.

Again, Robinson clearly knows little and cares less.

galactica

08-03-2009, 10:11 AM

However, this mini's being advertised as "WILL CHANGE THE DCU!". Why waste so many pages with sex jokes?

How many pages were wasted?

jbwbubba

08-03-2009, 10:42 AM

To give Robinson some credit for this - chances are that Cry For Justice #2 was written before the script to Blackest Night #0 was finalised as Mauro Cascioli's art takes AGES!

Blacknest Night may have been, but Hal and Bruce had appeared to put things behind them in past issues of GL. The GL issue in which Hal visited the cave and Bruce tried on the ring and saw his parents. Not exactly a scene that screams, "I really didn't like him".

CBikle

08-03-2009, 10:46 AM

I like it; I'm always a big fan of casual conversation between super-heroes, especially when it leads to "super-community gossip".

Very nice art too and I'm interested to see why Starman and Congorilla were fighting on Blackhawk Island and why Houngan (from the Fearsome Five ?) was there.

CBikle

08-03-2009, 10:51 AM

uhm..because it's fun? I'm sorry, am I the only one really who finds this panel really really fun?

No, I liked it too.

I'm very much an old-school comics fan, but I like when comics stories get sophisticated while still maintaining balance as a super hero story.

Besides, the thing with Huntress and Lady Blackhawk was vague enough so as not to get people outraged.

It could have been a threeway or a game of twister or both.

WorstThingUS

08-03-2009, 11:00 AM

No, I liked it too.

I'm very much an old-school comics fan, but I like when comics stories get sophisticated while still maintaining balance as a super hero story.

Besides, the thing with Huntress and Lady Blackhawk was vague enough so as not to get people outraged.

It could have been a threeway or a game of twister or both.

Not too many lotharios are impressed with a game of twister as Rex is supposed to be. No, he just ignores the characters of the women involved to continue this "Hal Jordan: Reluctant Stud" theme he likes so much. And why is this worth a page again?

Personamanx

08-03-2009, 11:02 AM

Tension Breaker?

galactica

08-03-2009, 11:04 AM

Blacknest Night may have been, but Hal and Bruce had appeared to put things behind them in past issues of GL. The GL issue in which Hal visited the cave and Bruce tried on the ring and saw his parents. Not exactly a scene that screams, "I really didn't like him".

Hal and Bruce respect each other and can work side by side but I don't see Hal inviting Bruce over to watch Coast City take Gotham in NBA Finals.

Sean Walsh

08-03-2009, 11:10 AM

........yeah, really wondering why Houngan is just randomly unconscious on Blackhawk Island now.....

WorstThingUS

08-03-2009, 11:16 AM

........yeah, really wondering why Houngan is just randomly unconscious on Blackhawk Island now.....

Maybe after we're done talking about booty....

Hullababy

08-03-2009, 11:19 AM

Hal and Bruce respect each other and can work side by side but I don't see Hal inviting Bruce over to watch Coast City take Gotham in NBA Finals.

Actually in Brave and the Bold, we saw Hal and Bruce go to Vegas together and the conversation between them though not exactly friendly never seemed like they hated each other. Also after GL #9 (IIRC) I thought it was pretty clear that Hal and Bruce were putting the past behind them.

Carter Hall

08-03-2009, 11:27 AM

Ugh. Thank you, James Robinson, for reminding me why I don't waste my money on you any longer. How sad is it that the biggest accomplishment of actually allowing adult superheroes to have adult sex lives is a neverending series of the lamest jokes? I'm sure Winnick loved this. It's about on his level. And given this has been turned into a finite series and one issue has been wasted on screaming "Justice" for 30 pages, do they have time to waste like this?

Agreed. I wasn't a fan of Robinson's Superman and I think this is even worse. The art looks great, but everything else is lousy.

Is this what Starman was like? I doubt it since many claim it was one of the greatest comic book runs of all time. Still, how can a guy be so hot or cold?

galactica

08-03-2009, 11:28 AM

Actually in Brave and the Bold, we saw Hal and Bruce go to Vegas together and the conversation between them though not exactly friendly never seemed like they hated each other. Also after GL #9 (IIRC) I thought it was pretty clear that Hal and Bruce were putting the past behind them.

I don't think they hate each but they aren't exactly Hal and Ollie either.

CBikle

08-03-2009, 11:31 AM

he just ignores the characters of the women involved to continue this "Hal Jordan: Reluctant Stud" theme he likes so much.

Robinson isn't saying anything about the "characters" of Lady Blackhawk or Huntress; that's all you.

Again, it could have just been Hal drinking bodyshots off their navels at Guy Gardner's bar, which through gossip, gets elevated to a threeway.

Metamorpho, Green Arrow and Man-Bat could all be full of crap on this.

Karl O'Neill

08-03-2009, 11:38 AM

Look I love Hal jordan.

Why does he have to be portrayed as a fucking stud all the time?!:mad:

He is more than that.

The ?

08-03-2009, 11:42 AM

Am I the only one qho thought this was just a moderatley amusing throw away joke and not something worth entire pages of debate.

galactica

08-03-2009, 11:58 AM

Am I the only one qho thought this was just a moderatley amusing throw away joke and not something worth entire pages of debate.

An entire page here. There are 8 more pages at the YABS section.

WorstThingUS

08-03-2009, 12:01 PM

Robinson isn't saying anything about the "characters" of Lady Blackhawk or Huntress; that's all you.

It's suggesting that it's in their "character" to get drunk and do a threesome with Hal Jordan. You might as well say Wonder Woman and Power Girl as it's no more likely. This is a Hal Jordan fanboy fantasy that Robinson is clearly in love with. Women want to swing from the Jordan vine so badly they'll share.

, it could have just been Hal drinking bodyshots off their navels at Guy Gardner's bar, which through gossip, gets elevated to a threeway.

Again there's this thing called "characterization" which would prohibit that as well. It's why you can't say Superman was buying the rounds. It's not in his character and it's not in Helena's. Lady Blackhawk, however would hang out and drink with a fellow pilot. And as a pilot, the drunken hook-up is probably common to her too and if Robinson had stopped there it'd be fine, but no, he had to push it into porno fantasyland.

, Green Arrow and Man-Bat could all be full of crap on this.

Except for that part where Hal confirms it.

protege

08-03-2009, 12:06 PM

This will be my first real exposure to Robinson as a writer, and all these comments are kind of making me wonder what made his Starman series so special...

Andrew_White

08-03-2009, 12:07 PM

It's why you can't say Superman was buying the rounds. It's not in his character...

This is the thing I really get annoyed with - it should be in Clark's character. There's nothing more down to earth than sitting down in a bar with a few friends over a beer.

And Clark is such a nice guy he would buy a round or two.

I'm not saying he should go binge drinking - but Clark is supposed to be possibly the most human character in all of DC and this just seems like needless pandering to the liberals out there.

Choppa

08-03-2009, 12:09 PM

Excuse my naivite, but are they saying that Hal had some kind of 3/4 way with those women?

Mambazo

08-03-2009, 12:12 PM

Am I the only one qho thought this was just a moderatley amusing throw away joke and not something worth entire pages of debate.

Seriously.

WorstThingUS

08-03-2009, 12:28 PM

This will be my first real exposure to Robinson as a writer, and all these comments are kind of making me wonder what made his Starman series so special...

The Golden Age is one of the best stories I've ever read. I put it behind The New Frontier and before Kingdom Come as Elseworlds stories go. That's why work like this only disappoints me.

This is the thing I really get annoyed with - it should be in Clark's character. There's nothing more down to earth than sitting down in a bar with a few friends over a beer.

And Clark is such a nice guy he would buy a round or two.

I'm not saying he should go binge drinking - but Clark is supposed to be possibly the most human character in all of DC and this just seems like needless pandering to the liberals out there.

Having a beer is fine. He did that with his dad and in some silly overreaction they actually changed a cover to make it soda. But buying shots so Hal can drink them out of a fellow superhero's naval is not that. That's what Ollie would do for Hal. And what does being liberal of conservative have to do with any of it?

Hawkman

08-03-2009, 12:36 PM

If this issue's as bad as the first--and I'm not feeling too optimistic after reading those preview pages--I'll be dropping this title. I normally give a new series or run three issues to sway me, but $3.99 is too much and the first issue was too uninspiring for me to spend any more money on it than I already have.

If I do end up dropping it, though, and it somehow turns out well and leads into a spectacular Robinson run on Justice League of America, then I'll gladly buy the trade at a later date.

WorstThingUS

08-03-2009, 12:36 PM

An entire page here. There are 8 more pages at the YABS section.

And here's what Gail Simone had to say about the use of two female characters she worked on for an extended period of time:

I could see Lady Blackhawk, actually. Two pilots having some sexy fun, okay, I get that.

But I hate to see Huntress get branded as a slut again. The whole point of the Josh story was for her to realize she deserved better.

And I can't see them doing a threesome, that affects their friendship, and the Birds were ALREADY one of the very few books about female friendship which is so fucking rare in comics it might as well be moonbeans captured in mason jars. Not that friends can't have sex, but once again, this is all about the man, and "Well played, sir" is just, ugh.

I love James Robinson. But I really feel like most writers of mainstream comics get the sex thing all wrong over and over. It's all wink wink nudge nudge and women as trophies and thumbs up and it seems so weird and off-character to me.

But I haven't read it in context and I'm just the dumb girl anyway.

But James Robinson is a great writer, he's never written anything I didn't enjoy in comics and I still think Silver Age is an underrated classic. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. But it does feel weird that people can read bop and still come away with the impression that THAT Huntress and THAT Lady Blackhawk would get drunk and be someone's sad Penthouse fantasy.

It just shows again that Bop was an important book for a lot of reasons and its absence is keenly felt in the portrayal of female characters in the DCU. Not my bop specifically, just the book overall.

Andrew_White

08-03-2009, 12:38 PM

Having a beer is fine. He did that with his dad and in some silly overreaction they actually changed a cover to make it soda. But buying shots so Hal can drink them out of a fellow superhero's naval is not that. That's what Ollie would do for Hal. And what does being liberal of conservative have to do with any of it?

Clearly it's not fine for him though - as you mentioned the pathetic cover change from a beer to a soda.

DC is too worried about getting negative reation from press of some sort of "Superman drinks beer" scandal.

There are very few things in the world of comics that really annoy me - but this is one and the smoking ban in Marvel is another.

People do these things in real life - ok, we don't have flying super powered people - but it really pulls me out of the moment when the JLA all toast with Orange Juice or something. It just looks ridiculous.

ankushm999

08-03-2009, 12:39 PM

Wait... so Hal Jordan had sex with huntress and lady blackhawk??? Wtf, a threesome? When did that happen?

Hal Jordan is the biggest slut ever... who hasn't he banged except for teen supergirl??

Geeky Cheeky

08-03-2009, 12:47 PM

It does explain why teen supergirl and lesbian batwoman are the only females that would join his team.

The ?

08-03-2009, 12:59 PM

It does explain why teen supergirl and lesbian batwoman are the only females that would join his team.

Haha, issue #3: Hal Jordan 'fixes" Batwoman.

...Thats a joke if it's not obvious.

WorstThingUS

08-03-2009, 01:05 PM

Clearly it's not fine for him though - as you mentioned the pathetic cover change from a beer to a soda.

DC is too worried about getting negative reation from press of some sort of "Superman drinks beer" scandal.

There are very few things in the world of comics that really annoy me - but this is one and the smoking ban in Marvel is another.

Add me to that. It suggests that because Wolverine smokes your kid will too. Well by that logic you need to have Logan stop killing people don't you!?! Smoking bad, slaughtering dozens of ninja and executing bad guys on Cyclops' order good.

But Superman is supposed to be the straight-arrow boy scout so even though I think they overreacted with the beer, it does serve that he doesn't drink. There as a nice moment in X-Men years ago, when Wolverine noted that he didn't smell an ounce of liqour on a young Steve Rogers. It made sense for the character to be that squeaky clean. Same with Clark. Good writers know how to play with it, like Mark Waid recently did in Brave & The Bold when Superman had a reluctant team-up with Catwoman.

Raker616

08-03-2009, 11:00 PM

It's suggesting that it's in their "character" to get drunk and do a threesome with Hal Jordan. You might as well say Wonder Woman and Power Girl as it's no more likely. This is a Hal Jordan fanboy fantasy that Robinson is clearly in love with. Women want to swing from the Jordan vine so badly they'll share.

Funny how out of all the people you could pair up with Wonder Woman you went with Power Girl a former conquest of Hal's.

As far as the 3-way stuff goes, that's a bit out of line even for comics not that I don't believe Hal would be able to score both Huntress and Lady Blackhawk. I'm just sure that if he did no one would know about it, Hal might be a playboy but he's not a guy who brags about his conquest and would never let that story get out for other heroes to comment on.

Cry For Justice #1 was horrible and poorly written I'll wait to see how the second issue is before I put down $4 bucks for it but so far i'm not really impressed.

WorstThingUS

08-03-2009, 11:30 PM

Funny how out of all the people you could pair up with Wonder Woman you went with Power Girl a former conquest of Hal's.

I wasn't sure I remember JLE well enough. I was thinking more two women who'd kill him.

Raker616

08-03-2009, 11:51 PM

But what a way to go.

ryerye17

08-03-2009, 11:57 PM

It does explain why teen supergirl and lesbian batwoman are the only females that would join his team.

woot woot woot!

Retro315

08-04-2009, 03:19 AM

Funny how out of all the people you could pair up with Wonder Woman you went with Power Girl a former conquest of Hal's.

Who says Hal Jordan isn't a conquest for strong women?

galactica

08-04-2009, 06:18 AM

Look I love Hal jordan.

Why does he have to be portrayed as a fucking stud all the time?!:mad:

He is more than that.

This is just a page out of a 22 page comic book. I think we have given it more emphasis than the author. In the context of the story it's not important at all. We are the ones giving it important, rightly or wrongly.

WorstThingUS

08-04-2009, 08:03 AM

This is just a page out of a 22 page comic book. I think we have given it more emphasis than the author. In the context of the story it's not important at all. We are the ones giving it important, rightly or wrongly.

But it's not one page out of a 22 page comic book. It's an ongoing trend on both writers making female superheroes essentially trophies of male superheroes (especially Hal). At least Bendis portrayed Luke Cage as being somewhat the butt of jokes for being a "cape chaser." Not here.

Xero

08-04-2009, 08:23 AM

This cartoon panel from Comics Critics sums up my feelings about Cry For Justice.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2009-08-03_cc_080.gif

WorstThingUS

08-04-2009, 08:48 AM

^Dah-yum! I've been nothing but critical of Robinson's writing and even I feel bad for him after reading that!

"Retard juice."

Damn.

Vic Vega

08-04-2009, 09:20 AM

^Dah-yum! I've been nothing but critical of Robinson's writing and even I feel bad for him after reading that!

"Retard juice."

Damn.

In the McDuffie run DMD had Dr. Light sarcastically ask: "What is Hal going to do, arrest people BEFORE they commit crimes?"

So DC knows about the absuridty of the premise they just don't care. Vengence fueled heroes are cool. And any excuse to get the Silver Age JLA to act like the Wild Bunch is a good one in DC's thinking(I'd guess).

I don't know how i feel about the Hal/LB/Huntress hookup. On the one hand its kinda OOC for Huntress(Hal is kinda old for her) but on the other hand, the outraged e-keening in regards to this annoys me far worse.

These are persons who dress up in fetish wear and beat hell out of people in dark alley ways.

Freakyness isn't beyond most of them save the married guys like Barry and folks like Supes and Wonder Woman who would be morally repelled by that kind of behaviour(for two diferent reasons).

The best arguement against the thing is Gail's: Two good friends (like them)wouldn't choose to split a dude.

I'm more concerned with the bad dialogue I'm seeing in the preview.

galactica

08-04-2009, 09:52 AM

In the McDuffie run DMD had Dr. Light sarcastically ask: "What is Hal going to do, arrest people BEFORE they commit crimes?"

So DC knows about the absuridty of the premise they just don't care. Vengence fueled heroes are cool. And any excuse to get the Silver Age JLA to act like the Wild Bunch is a good one in DC's thinking(I'd guess).

I dislike the "proactive" nonsense as much as the next guy but most of these guys are already wanted criminals. Do we need to wait for Prometheus or Slade Wilson to commit another crime? Both have murdered people, been tried, found guilty and sentenced to multiple life sentences. Hal or whoever does not need to wait for them to commit another crime.

Having said that, I find the proactive things stupid because of the way it's done. It's always about heroes being dark and gritty. In truth most heroes are already proactive. The Bat-family go out n patrol every single day. When they are not on patrol they are doing detective work or forensic work that will help them track down Killer Croc or whoever. So there's no point in going out of your way to make them more proactive.

Vic Vega

08-04-2009, 10:08 AM

I dislike the "proactive" nonsense as much as the next guy but most of these guys are already wanted criminals. Do we need to wait for Prometheus or Slade Wilson to commit another crime? Both have murdered people, been tried, found guilty and sentenced to multiple life sentences. Hal or whoever does not need to wait for them to commit another crime.

If Hal or anybody had said that, there wouldn't be a problem. Note that the title for the thing is JLA:Cry For Justice and not JLA: The Posse or JLA's Most Wanted.

And Slade and Prometheuse haven't even been mentioned by name yet either.

This isn't about the JLA's attempt to say, bring Prometheus to justice its about Hal's incoherent quest to get "bad people" who have done "bad things" but without actually naming anybody.

After all the guy most responsible for J'onn's death (Libra)is K.I.A. so there's no going after HIM.

So what the @#$% is Hal talking about anyway?

galactica

08-04-2009, 10:43 AM

If Hal or anybody had said that, there wouldn't be a problem. Note that the title for the thing is JLA:Cry For Justice and not JLA: The Posse or JLA's Most Wanted.

And Slade and Prometheuse haven't even been mentioned by name yet either.

This isn't about the JLA's attempt to say, bring Prometheus to justice its about Hal's incoherent quest to get "bad people" who have done "bad things" but without actually naming anybody.

After all the guy most responsible for J'onn's death (Libra)is K.I.A. so there's no going after HIM.

So what the @#$% is Hal talking about anyway?

Libra is not dead and Hal has specifically mentioned going after the people responsible for MM's death. Libra wasn't the only one in that room when MM was killed. He may have struck the killing blow but there were the people who weakened him and dragged him in front of Libra and cheered and whooped and took pictures as he killed him and then hung his body in public for all to see.

And even if Hal did not specifically mention Prometheus, Robinson has mentioned him in interviews and on panels, he even said they would be going after a Most Wanted list(direct quote), solicitations and covers show him and the Face of Evil: Prometheus one-shot said he would be appearing here. Besides do we need Hal to say I'm going after so so and so? There are dozens upon dozens of wanted criminals out there already and he is a police officer, it's him sworn duty to go after those criminals.

I think DC going out of thier way to call this proactive is silly because the JLA should already be doing this. The team is big enough, they should have people who actually go and look for the criminals who have already be sentenced and are out probably planing another attack of some kind. This shouldn't be a shock to the JLA members because it should be normal.

Retro315

08-04-2009, 10:47 AM

Libra is not dead and Hal has specifically mentioned going after the people responsible for MM's death. Libra wasn't the only one in that room when MM was killed. He may have struck the killing blow but there were the people who weakened him and dragged him in front of Libra and cheered and whooped and took pictures as he killed him and then hung his body in public for all to see.

Effigy and Doctor Light?

COUGH ... Final Crisis: Revelations ... COUGH.

Spectre got 'em. And he tried getting Libra too, but apparently Libra has "protection from God" by being Darkseid's little living Anti-Life Equation preacher. Although with Darkseid deader than a doornail, there's a very good chance that the reason we haven't seen Libra much is because his Darkseid boost is gone and he's depowered and has no good protection from power-hitters like GL, Superman, etc ...

protege

08-04-2009, 11:18 AM

Laminator_X

08-04-2009, 12:15 PM

I'm liking the premise, in so far as it makes sense for Hal to remember he's not unlike 19th Century U.S. Marshal with a vast and unruly territory to police. He could spend all his time responding to telegrams about bandit gangs, corrupt local officials, rustlers, "renegade Indians," and what have you or he could put together a posse to systematically round up the gangs and put the fear of The Law into any who might be tempted to replace them.

Thusfar, Busiek's Avengers run has been my favorite example of this idea from the Big Two. The Authority comes to mind as well, of course, but Ellis could approach Wildstorm's sandbox much more freely than a decades-spanning franchise like the DCU.

Personamanx

08-04-2009, 12:23 PM

Love or Hate Robinson's works lately that Comic was amazingly Harsh.

WorstThingUS

08-04-2009, 12:39 PM

Love or Hate Robinson's works lately that Comic was amazingly Harsh.

I can't stop wincing or laughing from "Retard juice." I feel mild in my criticisms by comparison.

CBikle

08-04-2009, 12:42 PM

I can't stop wincing or laughing from "Retard juice." I feel mild in my criticisms by comparison.

You make up for it in quantity.

Personamanx

08-04-2009, 01:11 PM

Also why did that Strip go out of its way to insult Pizza?
Pizza is awesome!!! LoL

WorstThingUS

08-04-2009, 02:33 PM

You make up for it in quantity.

Sigh. I store up the bile and I try and I try but such eloquent bitterness just seems to escape me.

Raker616

08-04-2009, 03:22 PM

Look i've been a harsh critic of the first issue as anyone, but the problem isn't the concept of this group. The idea that Hal would look to take down the badguys before they commit more crimes is right up my alley, the problem is the horrible dialog and screaming Justice everyother page something even Loeb thinks it's ridiculous. I'll wait to see if things get better in the second issue but, i'm not holding my breath for it to get any better Robinson just doesn't seem to have a grasp on these characters he's writting.