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stingerman

07-28-2009, 11:02 AM

Wow.... someone took that down fast or they moved it. Anyway, Marvel did printed the pages in Migthy Avengers #27 a couple of weeks ago. I liked what I saw so far of Hickman and Eaglesham. Anyone that can come up with a creative use of Johnny's powers is gold in my book.

Lol, I had to fix the link as I goofed. :wink:

randomengine

07-28-2009, 12:05 PM

That art is GORGEOUS!

Hulk_Is

07-28-2009, 05:40 PM

That art is GORGEOUS!

Seconded. Already preordered the first ish.

jackolover

07-28-2009, 06:33 PM

Preview: http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/previews/ff570preview

I don't know about everyone else, but I am super excited about this one.

Yeah, Hickman is involved in the MU by Secret Warriors and the DR:FF mini, so his intricate threads are going to be worth keeping track of. Secret Warriors seems to be associated with all the super humans considering SHIELD was compromised so long ago, so all info on the heroes is known by HYDRA and has been distributed. I'd like to see if the FF meet up with HYDRA some time soon. Also, seeing as the Frightful Four are attacking the FF, yet again, this does look very much like just another HYDRA distraction ploy. I hope we see what Reeds reaction is to being a puppet of HYDRA.

YouthofToday

07-28-2009, 07:01 PM

I've never been a big F4 fan, but I like Hickman and the art looks great. I might have to give this a try.

randomengine

07-28-2009, 07:09 PM

I think Eaglesham's art has to be one of the best fits for the title since Kirby.

randomengine

07-29-2009, 08:24 AM

Runguy

07-29-2009, 09:33 AM

Here is what baffles me, you have this awesome new artist on FF, and what do you do? you put Alan Davis on the cover.......huh? I know the dude is iconic, but wouldn't you want to showcase your new exclusive talent on the cover?
I suspect it has more to do with keeping the title on schedule than anything else :smile: But, yea, I do get your point !

ankushm999

07-29-2009, 09:41 AM

I hate the costume change... why did eaglesham revert back. I don't really like the cover either. Reed with a stubble looks forced and fugly.

XPac

07-29-2009, 09:44 AM

I hate the costume change... why did eaglesham revert back. I don't really like the cover either. Reed with a stubble looks forced and fugly.

It is suprising how often the FF change their costumes (well, aside from maybe Thing).

It's like they all have closet full of costumes that are all ALMOST identical but not quite.

Still, it does seem like Reed at least has been working out, so I suppose I don't blame him for going for the sleeveless look.

NickFury90

07-29-2009, 10:13 AM

Eagelsham art looks great, although I felt it looked a bit cluttered on that action page.

Either way, this should be a fun read.

Somebody

07-29-2009, 10:20 AM

I hate the costume change... why did eaglesham revert back. I don't really like the cover either. Reed with a stubble looks forced and fugly.

I prefer the new costumes to the Hitch costumes almost without limit.

At the same time though, they should have gone back to long sleeves for all of them (barring, of course, Ben), rather than chopping Reed's sleeves off...

And (although it's not shown here, it was in Dark Reign: FF #5) going back to the 70s logo?! (the one shown on FF #161 here (http://kleinletters.com/Blog/?p=2684), with the circle-heads) Really? That thing was airbrushed out of history for a reason...

Gitaroo_Dude

07-29-2009, 10:55 AM

Can't wait for this. Hickman is here to reinvigorate the FF.

CMBMOOL

07-29-2009, 11:22 AM

The preview looks good and I must say It would be interesting to see if Hickman can crossover the FF with Secret Warriors, if Bendis allowed it of course. :tongue:

arp2008

07-29-2009, 11:34 AM

Since when does Johnny have infrared vision?

CyberCoyote

07-29-2009, 11:50 AM

Since when does Johnny have infrared vision?

I don't know if they ever showed it before.. but the guy is on fire, I think it's neat that they finally acknowledge that he HAS to see on that spectrum or he'd forever be blinding himself (now how Sue sees when her eyes allow light to pass through them..)

I like long sleeves, too. Reed's power can be very cool looking, but stretched out flesh is.. gross. The Uniforms provide them with a level of protection, too, so sleeves make sense.

Rather than a Hydra ploy I wonder if it's just the usual 'new team does a quick scene to establish the FF' thing. Millar did it with the Cowboys and Trains scene, poor Diablo is often used off panel for such things. The three part story "Reed Fixes Everything" goes off planet to Galactus and the Celestials in the solicits, so if it is a Hydra thing (I'm out of the loop on that) it won't be addressed until the 3 parter is finished.

Somebody

07-29-2009, 11:58 AM

Since when does Johnny have infrared vision?

The Byrne run, I think. [Didn't Claremont use it too, later?]

Sabaition

07-30-2009, 08:07 AM

THANK GOD!!! Now I can finally put the FF in my pull list again. In my entire comic life I have NEVER not read the FF. So congrates to Millar for doing the impossible and making me lose interest in my favorite team. :mad:

And here's to Hickman restoring Marvels first family to prominence. :cool:

It's Clobber'in Time again baby!!!

Jason Abbadon

07-31-2009, 12:22 AM

Is that supposed to be REED?!!?
It looks like a two-eyed NIck Fury!

If Reed's suddenly got a Captain America body, I'm out.

randomengine

07-31-2009, 06:42 AM

Is that supposed to be REED?!!?
It looks like a two-eyed NIck Fury!

If Reed's suddenly got a Captain America body, I'm out.

The guy is elastic, he can have whatever body he wants.

CaptainCanada

07-31-2009, 08:04 AM

(now how Sue sees when her eyes allow light to pass through them..)Waid explained that in his run.

Magneto Rocks

07-31-2009, 08:32 AM

Cautious anticipation is my overall reaction. DR: FF has had decent concept and characterisation but was way too dragged out and wasted a lot of time; hopefully the balance is a bit better here. I like the art itself, but not the new FF designs, and the new logo.... is interesting, to say the least. Millar/Hitch's covert format/logo was a step towards futuristic, this is a step towards retro, I'll have to wait to judge how it plays out.

XPac

07-31-2009, 08:47 AM

Is that supposed to be REED?!!?
It looks like a two-eyed NIck Fury!

If Reed's suddenly got a Captain America body, I'm out.

Hmmm... I never noticed, but Reed actually does look a lot like Nick Fury.

Runguy

07-31-2009, 09:38 AM

Is that supposed to be REED?!!?
It looks like a two-eyed NIck Fury!

If Reed's suddenly got a Captain America body, I'm out.

Ok, I'm dating myself, but read Kirby's mid to late 60's and the early to mid 70's FF stories and you'll see a more "robust" Reed :biggrin:

theSuperAlbino

07-31-2009, 09:52 AM

I'm excited for this I have high hopes for Hickman's run and Eaglesham makes it better.

americocaine

07-31-2009, 10:04 AM

Eaglesham is awesome with the work he did on JSA. Now you just have to get that writer to steer the title away from Dork Reign and you might have a complete winner.

Jason Abbadon

08-01-2009, 12:58 AM

Ok, I'm dating myself, but read Kirby's mid to late 60's and the early to mid 70's FF stories and you'll see a more "robust" Reed :biggrin:

Robust is one thing- this guy's a freakin tank!
I'm sorry- that's just stupid- it's like the artist does not know how to draw anything other than superman bodies.

See Reed in Illuminati or, hell, ANY of his appearances in the past 30 years or more and you'll see a somewhat toned but thin man that spends a lot more time in the lab than the gym.

Next up we'll have Willie Lumpkin all hulked-out too...maybe Agatha Harkness revamped into a Jim Balent bubble-body girl....maybe Spider-Man can guest star with a Juggernaut body...

And I dont buy the 'ol 'reed can look however he wants line- useing his powers to give himself fake muscles would be the equilivant of stuffing a sock in his pants- and would probably get the same snarky reaction from everyone.
"Gee Reed- you've really been working out (snicker!)..."
Suddenly, Reed sneezes and deflates in front of everyone, then spends the rest of the run looking for an alternate reality where he has any self-esteem.

CyberCoyote

08-01-2009, 07:08 AM

Waid explained that in his run.

Oh, cool, I forget though (I'm old).. what was his explanation for it?

As far as buff Reed being the reason not to get the book.. there's other lines that've been crossed that're worse I think. Johnny hiding criminals and having sex with them, future Sue remembering everything except Nu-Earth and Doom killing her.. plus thinking doubling or tripling the world's population over night will save anyone, Reed thinking it's a good idea to convert Doombots to housepets and have them running his home and being alone with his children...

Talisman

08-01-2009, 07:13 AM

I hope Eaglesham comes up with some new costumes. Not a fan of the Hitch costumes.

Runguy

08-01-2009, 12:54 PM

Robust is one thing- this guy's a freakin tank!
I'm sorry- that's just stupid- it's like the artist does not know how to draw anything other than superman bodies.

See Reed in Illuminati or, hell, ANY of his appearances in the past 30 years or more and you'll see a somewhat toned but thin man that spends a lot more time in the lab than the gym.

Next up we'll have Willie Lumpkin all hulked-out too...maybe Agatha Harkness revamped into a Jim Balent bubble-body girl....maybe Spider-Man can guest star with a Juggernaut body...

And I dont buy the 'ol 'reed can look however he wants line- useing his powers to give himself fake muscles would be the equilivant of stuffing a sock in his pants- and would probably get the same snarky reaction from everyone.
"Gee Reed- you've really been working out (snicker!)..."
Suddenly, Reed sneezes and deflates in front of everyone, then spends the rest of the run looking for an alternate reality where he has any self-esteem.

So, basically you've not read the Kirby/Busceme/ FF :biggrin:

coconutphone

08-01-2009, 02:11 PM

Can't wait!

arp2008

08-01-2009, 10:00 PM

Robust is one thing- this guy's a freakin tank!

See Reed in Illuminati or, hell, ANY of his appearances in the past 30 years or more and you'll see a somewhat toned but thin man that spends a lot more time in the lab than the gym.

Next up we'll have Willie Lumpkin all hulked-out too...maybe Agatha Harkness revamped into a Jim Balent bubble-body girl....maybe Spider-Man can guest star with a Juggernaut body...

And I dont buy the 'ol 'reed can look however he wants line- useing his powers to give himself fake muscles would be the equilivant of stuffing a sock in his pants- and would probably get the same snarky reaction from everyone.
"Gee Reed- you've really been working out (snicker!)..."
Suddenly, Reed sneezes and deflates in front of everyone, then spends the rest of the run looking for an alternate reality where he has any self-esteem. I strongly agree here, Jason. As one who prefers a lean, skinney Reed - Reeds truthful physic - I'm not in the least fond of this new uncharactertically bulked up version Eaglesham will apparently be empoying during his time on the title for whatever reason he may have in mind. The justification others ahve posed for his hulked out look being that he's purposefully bulking up his body because he can due to his maliability is absurd.

Magneto Rocks

08-02-2009, 04:21 AM

As far as buff Reed being the reason not to get the book.. there's other lines that've been crossed that're worse I think. Johnny hiding criminals and having sex with them, future Sue remembering everything except Nu-Earth and Doom killing her.. plus thinking doubling or tripling the world's population over night will save anyone, Reed thinking it's a good idea to convert Doombots to housepets and have them running his home and being alone with his children...

Most of those are pretty obviously explained though... like the former one being at best a distortion of what actually happened, the fact that Future Sue did remember Nu-Earth and Doom killing her, and the fact that using reconfigured Doombot parts has yet to backfire in any way and has in fact worked fine. ;)

Iron Maiden

08-02-2009, 11:17 AM

Most of those are pretty obviously explained though... like the former one being at best a distortion of what actually happened, the fact that Future Sue did remember Nu-Earth and Doom killing her, and the fact that using reconfigured Doombot parts has yet to backfire in any way and has in fact worked fine. ;)

For now....:biggrin: I thought Morrison had a cool idea in FF 1234. Doom has a backdoor program in all his Doombots and was talking to Ben through one of them. Reed didn't know about that one.

Sabaition

08-02-2009, 11:56 AM

Buffer Reed makes since to me. I mean come on people.

You're the leader of the Worlds Greatest Super Heroes. Your wife is one of the hottest women on the planet. Hit on my "buffcakes" like Namor. An you're gonna stay a skinny looking twig?

Besides Reeds buff up before. Was pretty much as big as the Hulk when Onslaught attacked Four Freedom Plaza. Let the man have some muscle finally. An if Sue isnt complaining then why should we. :rolleyes:

skrullover

08-02-2009, 04:14 PM

Reed was buff for like ten to fifteen years. It's more of an homage to the old drawings of the team. Ease off people. He's also able to manipulate his body in anyway possible. So why not beef up.

Though if you look at further covers, he seems once again smaller and thin.

kalorama

08-02-2009, 05:43 PM

Eaglesham's stuff is okay, but all of his people are built like NFL linebackers. There's really no need for reed to have bulging biceps.

arp2008

08-02-2009, 06:14 PM

Eaglesham's stuff is okay, but all of his people are built like NFL linebackers. There's really no need for reed to have bulging biceps.
Thank you!

PympMyQuinjet

08-02-2009, 07:36 PM

Eaglesham is awesome with the work he did on JSA. Now you just have to get that writer to steer the title away from Dork Reign and you might have a complete winner.

Agreed, but Hickman knows how to handle Dark Reign. See; Secret Warriors.

Brother Justin Crowe

08-02-2009, 08:07 PM

Agreed, but Hickman knows how to handle Dark Reign. See; Secret Warriors.

Also his five-issue FF mini-series.

DeadXMan

08-02-2009, 08:14 PM

Also his five-issue FF mini-series.

which ties into 570.

Brother Justin Crowe

08-02-2009, 10:55 PM

which ties into 570.

Damn right it does.

paulski

08-03-2009, 02:59 AM

Here is what baffles me, you have this awesome new artist on FF, and what do you do? you put Alan Davis on the cover.......huh? I know the dude is iconic, but wouldn't you want to showcase your new exclusive talent on the cover?

Gotta agree. I've been a big fan of Alan Davis over the past 20 years, but, man, bad decision. Those covers for #571 & 572 are just... ehn. I've lost a lot of interest in this book already and will probably just get the trades now. :frown:

coconutphone

08-03-2009, 09:17 AM

Dork Reign? Really?

kalorama

08-03-2009, 09:35 AM

Here is what baffles me, you have this awesome new artist on FF, and what do you do? you put Alan Davis on the cover.......huh? I know the dude is iconic, but wouldn't you want to showcase your new exclusive talent on the cover?

Take a look around the comic shop display. It's fairly common (almost to the point of more often than not) that covers are done by a different artist than than the interiors. It's not really new or an issue.

As for Davis . . . he's hugely popular, widely recognizable, and also under exclusive contract.

YouthofToday

08-03-2009, 10:08 AM

Take a look around the comic shop display. It's fairly common (almost to the point of more often than not) that covers are done by a different artist than than the interiors. It's not really new or an issue.

As for Davis . . . he's hugely popular, widely recognizable, and also under exclusive contract.

We know how tight the schedule is these days to get a book out on time, maybe Eaglesham didn't have time to do covers. I don't think its a big deal at all, especially when they have Alan Davis doing them.

FlyingFox

08-03-2009, 01:14 PM

Gotta agree. I've been a big fan of Alan Davis over the past 20 years, but, man, bad decision. Those covers for #571 & 572 are just... ehn. I've lost a lot of interest in this book already and will probably just get the trades now. :frown:

Seriously? Are covers really that important? Are you going to stare at it for long periods of time? It takes days to draw one cover. If it means getting the book out faster, I'd take a cover drawn by Larry Stroman. I'd only look at it for a couple seconds anyway.

randomengine

08-03-2009, 01:31 PM

Seriously? Are covers really that important? Are you going to stare at it for long periods of time? It takes days to draw one cover. If it means getting the book out faster, I'd take a cover drawn by Larry Stroman. I'd only look at it for a couple seconds anyway.

I think if Bryan Hitch is able to draw covers, then so should every other interior artist. The funny thing is that Eaglesham didn't draw the covers to JSA either, but then again JSA had Eaglesham incentive variants, so it cannot be said that he cannot do them, unless those incentive variants are direct images from the interiors.

How important is a cover? So important that it will forever represent that issue in the minds of readers. Covers are one of the most important parts of a comic book.

kalorama

08-03-2009, 03:36 PM

I think if Bryan Hitch is able to draw covers, then so should every other interior artist.

You're certainly free to think that, but thinking it doesn't make it true (and I fail to see what Bryan Hitch has to do with anything). The basic reality is that many, many interior artists don't draw the covers to the books they work on. Marvel also regularly employs several artists who do nothing but draw covers for them and there has to be someplace to put their work. So there's nothing unusual or out of bounds about Eaglesham not drawing the covers to FF.

CyberCoyote

08-03-2009, 09:19 PM

I think if Bryan Hitch is able to draw covers, then so should every other interior artist. The funny thing is that Eaglesham didn't draw the covers to JSA either, but then again JSA had Eaglesham incentive variants, so it cannot be said that he cannot do them, unless those incentive variants are direct images from the interiors.

How important is a cover? So important that it will forever represent that issue in the minds of readers. Covers are one of the most important parts of a comic book.

But that's a bad example. Have you SEEN some of these Hitch FF covers? :frown:

But I do like having covers by the artist who does the book, if I like the art I might get the book just to check THAT out. If the cover art turns out to be 3 steps higher than the interior it's a let down. Other times you get horrible covers when the interior artist is amazing and it makes you scratch your noggin'.

paulski

08-03-2009, 10:00 PM

Seriously? Are covers really that important? Are you going to stare at it for long periods of time? It takes days to draw one cover. If it means getting the book out faster, I'd take a cover drawn by Larry Stroman. I'd only look at it for a couple seconds anyway.

I think you misunderstand my point a little.

I'm not necessarily saying that my decision to buy or not buy a comic rests primarily on the cover - man, there'd be a few books I would never have bought if that was the case! - but seeing as how I hadn't made my mind up 100% on picking FF up again after the Millar/Hitch debacle, the ultra-bland covers by Davis aren't helping matters any. Whereas, if they'd been by Eaglesham, who is the primary reason for me being interested in the book again, I'd be a much happier camper.

Knowing me, I'll probably pick up #570 on the stands, flick through it, and fall in love with the title again. Who knows. :tongue:

arp2008

08-04-2009, 12:05 AM

Green Griffin

08-04-2009, 01:12 AM

He's a look at the 70th aniversary variant to FF# 570 featuring Eagleshames terribly aberrant Mr. Fantastic. He just looks so freakin' wrong!

http://marvel.com/comics/onsale/lib/view2.htm?filename=/i/content/st/8996new_storyimage8901816_full.jpg

Mr. Fantastic can make his body look any way he wants. So why not buff up alittle. I like him better this way, a leader of a team should be strong looking.

kalorama

08-04-2009, 01:47 AM

Mr. Fantastic can make his body look any way he wants. So why not buff up alittle. I like him better this way, a leader of a team should be strong looking.

Because there's nothing about the character in his entire history that would suggest he'd give a half second's thought to doing something like that. And if the team leader were chosen based on bicep size, Ben would be running the show.

Green Griffin

08-04-2009, 02:45 AM

Because there's nothing about the character in his entire history that would suggest he'd give a half second's thought to doing something like that. And if the team leader were chosen based on bicep size, Ben would be running the show.

I feel he looks better now.

arp2008

08-04-2009, 02:50 AM

Mr. Fantastic can make his body look any way he wants. So why not buff up alittle. I like him better this way, a leader of a team should be strong looking.Don't take this offensively, but do you realize how ridiculous that is?

randomengine

08-04-2009, 09:26 AM

Have they ever explored the idea that Reed can shapeshift? You would think that with his elastic powers he could make his face/body any shape he wants.

CyberCoyote

08-04-2009, 09:49 AM

Have they ever explored the idea that Reed can shapeshift? You would think that with his elastic powers he could make his face/body any shape he wants.

Yes, he's donned all types of disguises in the past.. it's well within his list of abilities.

coconutphone

08-04-2009, 09:50 AM

Have they ever explored the idea that Reed can shapeshift? You would think that with his elastic powers he could make his face/body any shape he wants.

In Marvel Knights 4 he took the form of an alien to sneak onto their ship.

DeadXMan

08-04-2009, 10:49 AM

Don't take this offensively, but do you realize how ridiculous that is?

not as ridiculous as a guy who is living rock
or a woman who can turn invisible
or a guy that burn hotter then the sun and still live.:tongue:

arp2008

08-04-2009, 11:01 AM

not as ridiculous as a guy who is living rock
or a woman who can turn invisible
or a guy that burn hotter then the sun and still live.:tongue: No. Its even more ridiculous than that.

NickFury90

08-04-2009, 11:01 AM

arp2008

08-04-2009, 11:08 AM

Wait, are talking about about the same guy who strecth every part of his body to insane proportions and can cook up Deus Ex Machinas in the span on 30 seconds? And now we're complaining about him buffing up?

Don't take this offensively, but do you realize how ridiculous that is?It doesn't make any sense because you guys are excusing his Eagleshames abberrant design with assumptions. If he drew Susan and/or Johnny with black hair, you guys'd say they simply got tired of being bloned and wanted to become brunettes? Its ridiculous. Reed isn't supposed to look like the Hulk and unless it explicitly stated in the comic why constantly using his powers 24/7 to bulk himself, even while at rest, Eagleshams Reed is an incorrect portrayal of the character.

DeadXMan

08-04-2009, 12:05 PM

Behold!!!

A buff Reed Richards By one Jack "The King" Kirby.

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr150/DXM616/MARVEL_SPOTLIGHT_STAN_LEEJACK_KIRBY.jpg

and during the Galactus saga he had wiskers as well.

coconutphone

08-04-2009, 01:15 PM

Yeah I don't think it's that big a deal.

theSuperAlbino

08-04-2009, 03:21 PM

It doesn't make any sense because you guys are excusing his Eagleshames abberrant design with assumptions. If he drew Susan and/or Johnny with black hair, you guys'd say they simply got tired of being bloned and wanted to become brunettes? Its ridiculous. Reed isn't supposed to look like the Hulk and unless it explicitly stated in the comic why constantly using his powers 24/7 to bulk himself, even while at rest, Eagleshams Reed is an incorrect portrayal of the character.
Ugh...do we have to have this argument, if you don't like the art don't buy the frickin' issue. Also, I wanted to point out Eaglesham wouldn't draw Sue's hair black, that would be the colorist's fault.

arp2008

08-04-2009, 03:32 PM

Ugh...do we have to have this argument, if you don't like the art don't buy the frickin' issue. I don't plan to, but that doesn't mean I won;t comment on it.

Also, I wanted to point out Eaglesham wouldn't draw Sue's hair black, that would be the colorist's fault. Even if the colorist did make Sue's hair black someone would make in excuse for it by saying something similar to, "you know, she could have just dyed her hair. I'm sure dye exists in the MU, too".

Monty_Cristo

08-04-2009, 03:39 PM

Ugh...do we have to have this argument, if you don't like the art don't buy the frickin' issue. Also, I wanted to point out Eaglesham wouldn't draw Sue's hair black, that would be the colorist's fault.

Johnny died his hair dark brown during Civil War.

DeadXMan

08-04-2009, 04:45 PM

Johnny died his hair dark brown during Civil War.

was married to Sue

freaking Millar and his wried incest/ cosplay/ bondage fantasies

kalorama

08-04-2009, 05:13 PM

oanswat

08-04-2009, 05:17 PM

I've read this for four pages and couldn't make it to the fifth before telling you all that you're insane and completely backwards.

That art looks terrible compared to 569. Reed with muscles is a stupid idea. He's a lab rat, he never works out. If he's not in his lab it's only because he CAN'T be. Sue didn't get with him for muscles. Reed wouldn't waste his time inflating himself for superficial reasons.

The fact that this idiot tried to attack the fantastic four in that manner was dissapointing too. I mean come on. How many times has somone designed robots to destroy the ff which were specifically designed to go after each of them individually?! Of course they switch opponents!!! That's such a stupid old concept that it makes the preview lame.

I don't like this so far. A plot hole in the preview with crappy muscle bound art is not a good start for this book.

arp2008

08-04-2009, 05:48 PM

Reed with muscles is a stupid idea. He's a lab rat, he never works out. If he's not in his lab it's only because he CAN'T be. Sue didn't get with him for muscles. Reed wouldn't waste his time inflating himself for superficial reasons. Thank you!

CyberCoyote

08-04-2009, 06:45 PM

I don't like this so far. A plot hole in the preview with crappy muscle bound art is not a good start for this book.

Hey now.. ya may not like the muscles but the art is FAR from crappy!

arp2008

08-04-2009, 07:05 PM

How do you all feel about the new headress? Lacks a lot of the sophistication the last one had, no?

Scott Taylor

08-04-2009, 07:12 PM

I like it. Really thought FF has been mishandled over recent years and hoping this fresh start will be what it needs.

arp2008

08-04-2009, 07:14 PM

I like it. Really thought FF has been mishandled over recent years and hoping this fresh start will be what it needs.Mishandled by who? Millar? If so, how?

DeadXMan

08-04-2009, 07:42 PM

Ahem......
1. Johnny's sudden degeneration from fantastic inc. CEO and over all maturity he developed under Waid's run to back to being and arrogant attention whore with a cosplay fetish that involves scarlet witch and former team mate Storm.
2. lack of action Shown.
like when you have two giant robots on page
or a Giant Mecha Cap vs everyone or a fight consisting of Doom, Wolverine Hulk and ultrion you show the goddamn fight
3. total disregard to the time travel protocols set up by Stan and Jack.

and of course #4 My personal favorite..

DOOM HAS NO F***ING MASTER!

And if anyone disagrees they shall be hunted down and beaten to an inch their lives with ominous additions of the FF and so will their children and children's children and so on until all traces of stupidity is removed from the bloodline.

arp2008

08-04-2009, 07:52 PM

Ahem......
1. Johnny's sudden degeneration from fantastic inc. CEO and over all maturity he developed under Waid's run to back to being and arrogant attention whore with a cosplay fetish that involves scarlet witch and former team mate Storm.
2. lack of action Shown.
like when you have two giant robots on page
or a Giant Mecha Cap vs everyone or a fight consisting of Doom, Wolverine Hulk and ultrion you show the goddamn fight
3. total disregard to the time travel protocols set up by Stan and Jack.

and of course #4 My personal favorite..

DOOM HAS NO F***ING MASTER!lol Your aversion for Millars FF amuses me. You didn't like the reveal of The Apprentice in issue 569?

Choppa

08-04-2009, 08:09 PM

I thought this issue was supposed to pick up from FF:Dark Reign #5? Or is that the next one.

DeadXMan

08-04-2009, 08:12 PM

Hell no

It is beneath doom to defeat him that way.

first off Doom has a time platform in his armor ( seen in DA #4 which Millar acknowledges) and a device that saps the powers from beings more powerful then his "master" and then pours that power into him. He has used many times before. Why watse countless centuries and universes pretending to a lacky in order to have "The Master" exhaust that power killing countless people?

Doom is many things but he is not a genocidal maniac.

Millar dose not get the 616 FF and never will. The sooner he goes back to the ultimate vesre the better.

DeadXMan

08-04-2009, 08:13 PM

I thought this issue was supposed to pick up from FF:Dark Reign #5? Or is that the next one.

It dose. the first few pages is showing Millar what to do with Gianit robots.

YOU FIGHT THEM!.

Iron Maiden

08-04-2009, 09:31 PM

How do you all feel about the new headress? Lacks a lot of the sophistication the last one had, no?

Do you mean trade dress? I like it. It's a retro version from the 1970's.

arp2008

08-04-2009, 09:48 PM

Do you mean trade dress? I like it. It's a retro version from the 1970's.Retro! Thats exactly what I'd call it and probably why I don't like it. Instead of a comic for an older audience, it looks like one for kids, which it very well is, too, but I don't think keeping Millars cover dress would have been a bad idea. Aesthetically, it would have definitely been a better choice.

Spidey616

08-05-2009, 10:38 AM

Some new images plus an interview with Eaglesham on drawing FF

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090805-eaglesham-fantastic-four.html

Great to see The Wizard again

Scott Taylor

08-05-2009, 10:57 AM

Mishandled by who? Millar? If so, how?

Marvel. I can't blame Millar, really, he writes very predictably. Ie, to push characters around into various situations rather than developing them. It creates good moments, if taken by themselves. But the whole package? I just feel the run has been mediocre.

And yah, as a general comment, Doom shouldn't have "masters."

vitruvian

08-05-2009, 11:45 AM

There's a difference between "buff" and "steroid enhanced." To say nothing of the fact that that picture is about 40 years old, from an era where basically every character had pretty much the same body type. It's not 1963 anymore.

It may not be 1963, but Reed's been buff since at least then. Honestly, the King's interpretation pretty definitively settles the argument.

Doesn't hurt that Reed was pretty muscular during Simonson's run, either.

Runguy

08-05-2009, 01:54 PM

It may not be 1963, but Reed's been buff since at least then. Honestly, the King's interpretation pretty definitively settles the argument.

Doesn't hurt that Reed was pretty muscular during Simonson's run, either.
As during Busceme and Perez's run, too. This only changed when Bryne took over

CyberCoyote

08-05-2009, 03:54 PM

Some new images plus an interview with Eaglesham on drawing FF

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090805-eaglesham-fantastic-four.html

Great to see The Wizard again

Yowza, that looks like some good (and creepy) stuff. I'm sure it wasn't intended as a rip on the previous team (I just like to see things my way in my little world) but it's pretty telling that the INKER is being cut out of this production. Forever the deadline problems were blamed on inkers or lack there of.. now that excuse is gone! Mounts even tossed in that the dirty little secret in comics is that inkers and colorists often make up for shortcomings in the pencils. But to read what Eaglesham says, that's a double edged sword. Why finish everything so completely if it'll be picked up on the ther side? We've all seen the pencils where the illustrator has tossed in 'x's to indicate areas of full shadow, etc.

I think a good example of that reference is Mike McKone. I really loved his Teen Titans but when he came to the FF everything seemed.. half finished. Looking back at his Titans work you could see that things like nose bridges, nostrils, browlines were painted in after the fact often. The colorist who worked with him on the FF didn't do as much embelleshing so it dindn't look as good.

As for the muscularity, doesn't bother me. A lot of artists over the years draw EVERYONE too big. I remember an issue of Avengers when I was a kid when folks were oohing and ahing when Captain America walked by, but Hawkeye and everyone else on the team was just as big (and in the 90's a lot of the women were, too!!!) :eek:

kalorama

08-05-2009, 06:38 PM

As for the muscularity, doesn't bother me. A lot of artists over the years draw EVERYONE too big. I remember an issue of Avengers when I was a kid when folks were oohing and ahing when Captain America walked by, but Hawkeye and everyone else on the team was just as big (and in the 90's a lot of the women were, too!!!) :eek:

"Everybody else is doing it" isn't really a good excuse.

Choppa

08-06-2009, 09:09 PM

Seriously though is this book going to continue the story from DR FF?

Iron Maiden

08-06-2009, 09:25 PM

I think Hickman is following up since the storyline is called "Solve Everything". I hope it delves more into the decisions Reed has made during CW and with the Illuminati.

BTW, here are some other images of Reed through the years....

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3394/ff86.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3198/ffannual7.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8755/ff200.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4255/ff2vol3davis.jpg

skrullover

08-06-2009, 09:51 PM

Seriously though is this book going to continue the story from DR FF?

It's direct continuation. Which is new to comics as far as I know. I mean, how much is he continuing from Millar's run.

Jason Abbadon

08-08-2009, 03:00 AM

I think Hickman is following up since the storyline is called "Solve Everything". I hope it delves more into the decisions Reed has made during CW and with the Illuminati.

I'd love to see what exactly Reed did with the Infinity Gauntlet when he had it- Professor X gives him a dirty look when Reed says he resisted useing it.
As to this new buff Reed-
Kirby's Reed was supposed to look like JFK- and ALL his heroes had at least Captain america bodys- even his Spider-Man was huge.
That linked Alan davis version of Reed is just fine (if a bit bulky)- toned muscles are better than being a super-soldier all of a sudden.

...though maybe Reed got a higher dose of Cosmic rays than the others- Gamma Rays!
http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2210/657989/9150262/371417836.jpg
REED SMASH PUNY DOOM!

blopblopblop

08-08-2009, 03:11 AM

I just wish they could explain away the out-of-character actions of Reed during Civil War at some point

Magneto Rocks

08-08-2009, 04:06 AM

Reed's actions in Civil War were explained perfectly well back in FF 542.

Interestingly, Hickman seems to be continuing from three storylines at once- he's picked up where Millar left off in terms of Nu-World and the kids, from his own DR mini, and from McDuffie's run, which is what first introduced the 'Solve everything- Idea 101' idea, partially in reaction to JMS' run. So the seeds for this have been laid for over thirty issues!