What do you think would bring something "new" to the X-books?

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

There's been a lot of complaints about Fraction retreading. So what do you think would be something that would be revolutionary to the X-Men stories? Perhaps even more revolutionary than anything Morrison or Claremont did. Maybe even more revolutionary than Lee/Kirby?

[Personamanx]

One of the X-men Should blow up the Earth!!!!!!
Just kidding of course.

[jarrod]

Neil Gaiman

[Ryan W]

Grant Morrisson did it right.

He took everything we knew about the X-Men and challenged it, turned everything inside out by telling stories that had already been told yet hadn't, and he stuck to a singular, core concept and made it work: evolving.

IMHO, of course.

[Ratstar]

Just make things simpler, organised and cleaned up.

Some people suggested Uncanny be reformatted and it sounded like a good idea- especially if price (hopefully along with page count) has to go up; choose a set team, all or most of whom take part in the main story, and have a side story in the back pages following the rest of the team or other mutants.

And undo M-day.

Let the X-Men just be superheroes and mutant advocates not connected to the government and not tied down by their own big events along with 616 events all the time...

Let Uncanny have the heroes, Legacy have the young ones and their mentors, X-Force have the wet work and cheap thrills, X-Factor have the noir (or whateverthefuck it is now).

In a story sense, gradual logical change, not just waiting around for an idea to come or trial and error.

[Filthy Mutie]

Destroy all "possible futures" and take those time-displaced characters with them.

[Beacon]

Grant Morrisson did it right.

He took everything we knew about the X-Men and challenged it, turned everything inside out by telling stories that had already been told yet hadn't, and he stuck to a singular, core concept and made it work: evolving.

IMHO, of course.

Seconded. Unfortunately almost all his changes were almost immediately undone. Then they used House of M/Decimation to ensure it would never happen again.

Between that and the mess that Spider-Man is in, its pretty obvious that progress is the last thing Marvel wants.

[Valeria Kementari]

bring back Charly X as the head honcho of the mutants, because Summers isn't cutting it. And create more character-driven stories rather than a bunch of porn-shaped girls posing with barely no dialogue at all.

[mikeb]

Mike Carey has already done one thing.He has given Rogue control over her power after 25 years of not beening able to control it!:rolleyes:

[Slant]

bring back Charly X as the head honcho of the mutants, because Summers isn't cutting it.

Such a new idea.

[Filthy Mutie]

Bring nu-Apocalypse on as the King of Mutants and leader of the X-Men.

[Valeria Kementari]

Such a new idea.

very new since it has been ages since Charly X was in charge and respected, what isn't broken should not be fixed :p

[RolandJP]

Mutant ideological split. Have the non-human looking/young mutants--who were left to fend for themselves--join a new mutant support organization ran by Sebastian Shaw. (He forms his own X-paramilitary terrorist organization under the guise of a school) Have them challenge the X-Men. Shaw recruits new students/soldiers having claimed that the X-men have fallen into a penthouse elitist form of narcisism.

Sort of like the current propaganda of racists, calling other people racists for wanting equality. Its amazing how many people fall for that sort of thing.

[Slant]

very new since it has been ages since Charly X was in charge and respected, what isn't broken should not be fixed :p

It hasn't been that long, and it certainly would feel more like a retread than anything I can think of. I'd like the X-Men to be on their own rather than depend on daddy Xavier again.

I think he'd would be better off away from the X-teams. He'd be a good fit appearing in a more general MU setting.

[Valeria Kementari]

It hasn't been that long, and it certainly would feel more like a retread than anything I can think of. I'd like the X-Men to be on their own rather than depend on daddy Xavier again.

I think he'd would be better off away from the X-teams. He'd be a good fit appearing in a more general MU setting.

it's been since the twelve, since 1999, so yes it has been a long time

[Omega Alpha]

it's been since the twelve, since 1999, so yes it has been a long time

More like 2004.

[R Nitelight]

I don't like new.

I like old.

Can't they just fight the Living Pharaoh again?

[frog]

The X-Men could declare war on Wakanda for stealing Storm and withholding the cure for cancer . . .

[Saint]

It hasn't been that long, and it certainly would feel more like a retread than anything I can think of. I'd like the X-Men to be on their own rather than depend on daddy Xavier again.



But now they seem dependent on Daddy Cyclops and Mommy Emma. Same situation, different characters.

What I want is a "cabal" of the various leaders of mutantkind. Even the evil ones should have a seat at the table. That way, you'll have instant friction between the various egos and "fresh" stories that everyone is craving.

[Slant]

But now they seem dependent on Daddy Cyclops and Mommy Emma. Same situation, different characters.

Its not really the same though. I mean, yeah he's the leader, but the dynamic is different than when Xavier was in charge. They were living in the Xavier institute using all of his stuff and his money while they all went on missions while Xavier spent most of his time at the mansion being support whenever they needed it. And he was also the father figure for alot of the X-Men including Scott.

[Monty_Cristo]

Shortpack ......................

[Crowforge]

An end to the mutant struggle as they are generally accepted in society. The Xmen become part of proper mutant school. With the X force characters founding a military academy.
The best and brightest kids from these programs have the option to join and offshoot of the Avengers (The New Guardians?), where they work in mixed squads.

[Brother Justin Crowe]

Just make things simpler, organised and cleaned up.

Some people suggested Uncanny be reformatted and it sounded like a good idea- especially if price (hopefully along with page count) has to go up; choose a set team, all or most of whom take part in the main story, and have a side story in the back pages following the rest of the team or other mutants.

And undo M-day.

Let the X-Men just be superheroes and mutant advocates not connected to the government and not tied down by their own big events along with 616 events all the time...

Let Uncanny have the heroes, Legacy have the young ones and their mentors, X-Force have the wet work and cheap thrills, X-Factor have the noir (or whateverthefuck it is now).

In a story sense, gradual logical change, not just waiting around for an idea to come or trial and error.


Destroy all "possible futures" and take those time-displaced characters with them.

These. Now.

Thanks, Marvel.

Also, only one book with the word "Wolverine" in the title.

[jarrod]

Destroy all "possible futures" and take those time-displaced characters with them.
nuMarveling classic X-book concepts isn't exactly "new".



Also, only one book with the word "Wolverine" in the title.
Just "Wolverine: First Class" it is then.

Honestly, these days I'm enjoying various books with "Wolverine" in the title far more than books with "X-Men" in the title.

[Filthy Mutie]

nuMarveling classic X-book concepts isn't exactly "new".

Yeah, it's weird how they keep killing off the characters from the future and destroying those supposed futures in the main Marvel Universe.

[Faded]

I dunno who.

BUT I liked how Morrison did it and everything was all different and better when he jumped on-board. I don't need much explanation, just make it better.

[Free-Man]

I liked the suggestion of the team being widely accepted by the world and opening up a proper school.

[Omega Alpha]

Its not really the same though. I mean, yeah he's the leader, but the dynamic is different than when Xavier was in charge. They were living in the Xavier institute using all of his stuff and his money while they all went on missions while Xavier spent most of his time at the mansion being support whenever they needed it. And he was also the father figure for alot of the X-Men including Scott.

Xavier was daddy and saint, Scott's one of them that happens to be in charge. Not daddy, but rather the brother that organizes the family when daddy dies or is too old to do stuff.

Emma isn't mommy, but rather the brother's wife: they respect her role, but know she isn't really one of them, at least originally.



Just "Wolverine: First Class" it is then.

Honestly, these days I'm enjoying various books with "Wolverine" in the title far more than books with "X-Men" in the title.

First Class and Weapon X are much better than AXM, Legacy and Uncanny for sure.

[Faded]

Just make things simpler, organised and cleaned up.

Some people suggested Uncanny be reformatted and it sounded like a good idea- especially if price (hopefully along with page count) has to go up; choose a set team, all or most of whom take part in the main story, and have a side story in the back pages following the rest of the team or other mutants.

And undo M-day.

Let the X-Men just be superheroes and mutant advocates not connected to the government and not tied down by their own big events along with 616 events all the time...

Let Uncanny have the heroes, Legacy have the young ones and their mentors, X-Force have the wet work and cheap thrills, X-Factor have the noir (or whateverthefuck it is now).

In a story sense, gradual logical change, not just waiting around for an idea to come or trial and error.

I vote YOU.

[jarrod]

First Class and Weapon X are much better than AXM, Legacy and Uncanny for sure.
I'd add Dark to that list. Shame we still have Origins dragging down the average. :/

[FeminineMystique]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;9351501']There's been a lot of complaints about Fraction retreading. So what do you think would be something that would be revolutionary to the X-Men stories? Perhaps even more revolutionary than anything Morrison or Claremont did. Maybe even more revolutionary than Lee/Kirby?

For one thing, no more "Poor mutants hated by the whole wide world". It's gotten ridiculous. Marvel seem to be aiming for some quasi-realism in their books but the treatment of mutants isn't anything approaching realistic. Yes there a minority but if Marvel wants to go that route, do it realistically, rather than having every other human in thre X-Books a torches and pitch forks wielding imbecile. You can't tell me, after the X-Men have saved humanity a hundred times or more, there are still that many people willing to listen to people like Trask or Creed.

Second of all new characters. Not saying to ditch the old ones but there's only so many stories you can read about how Logan is a bastard with a heart of gold or how Scott is a cold, emotionally repressed man who while an excellent leader is less adept at personal matters, or how Nightcrawler is depressed because his appearance means he will forever be an outcast etc etc. So so something new with the old characters, create new ones or better yet BOTH

Third, undo M-Day. It was a stupid decision and it's limited the number of characters that can be used in the various teams, thus limiting the number of stories. Scrap it however they can and go back to a world full of mutants. The idea that genetics can be "Magiced away" was ludicrous in the first place and it's been badly handled since

[Majinoaw]

For one thing, no more "Poor mutants hated by the whole wide world". It's gotten ridiculous. Marvel seem to be aiming for some quasi-realism in their books but the treatment of mutants isn't anything approaching realistic. Yes there a minority but if Marvel wants to go that route, do it realistically, rather than having every other human in thre X-Books a torches and pitch forks wielding imbecile. You can't tell me, after the X-Men have saved humanity a hundred times or more, there are still that many people willing to listen to people like Trask or Creed.

Second of all new characters. Not saying to ditch the old ones but there's only so many stories you can read about how Logan is a bastard with a heart of gold or how Scott is a cold, emotionally repressed man who while an excellent leader is less adept at personal matters, or how Nightcrawler is depressed because his appearance means he will forever be an outcast etc etc. So so something new with the old characters, create new ones or better yet BOTH

Third, undo M-Day. It was a stupid decision and it's limited the number of characters that can be used in the various teams, thus limiting the number of stories. Scrap it however they can and go back to a world full of mutants. The idea that genetics can be "Magiced away" was ludicrous in the first place and it's been badly handled since



To get to someplace new you might have to retread a little bit. First undo M-Day. Second kill of Xavier - and have the X-men completely pull away from him ... if he is mentioned ts done so as a martyr ... gives him a stronger presence.
Make the team smaller and have them true outcasts. No outcast I ever heard of lived in a freaking mansion or a multi-billion dollar complex.

Have the team on the run with no real base and hunted by the government - give it a (team fugitive) presence. Also have some of the older members willingly working for the government to hunt them down ... kinda a Civil war thing with Mutants...

Also define the team's purpose. Shucks I could go on but the way I've seen it is that the X-Men has always had something new injected, and after undoing all that stuff they're right back in the mansion and Xavier is cripple...
But I guess all of the big two's properties return to status quo.

[MuhollandDriver]

i think much of it has to do with finding writers who both write well consistently and truly understand the characters.

Neil Gaiman would be wonderful on something like Astonishing. He was my prime choice after Whedon left.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

I liked the suggestion of the team being widely accepted by the world and opening up a proper school.

Even though that would make much better sense realistically (mutants aren't the only superhumans in the Marvel U), wouldn't that cause them to lose most of their appeal?


For one thing, no more "Poor mutants hated by the whole wide world". It's gotten ridiculous. Marvel seem to be aiming for some quasi-realism in their books but the treatment of mutants isn't anything approaching realistic. Yes there a minority but if Marvel wants to go that route, do it realistically, rather than having every other human in thre X-Books a torches and pitch forks wielding imbecile. You can't tell me, after the X-Men have saved humanity a hundred times or more, there are still that many people willing to listen to people like Trask or Creed.

Second of all new characters. Not saying to ditch the old ones but there's only so many stories you can read about how Logan is a bastard with a heart of gold or how Scott is a cold, emotionally repressed man who while an excellent leader is less adept at personal matters, or how Nightcrawler is depressed because his appearance means he will forever be an outcast etc etc. So so something new with the old characters, create new ones or better yet BOTH

Third, undo M-Day. It was a stupid decision and it's limited the number of characters that can be used in the various teams, thus limiting the number of stories. Scrap it however they can and go back to a world full of mutants. The idea that genetics can be "Magiced away" was ludicrous in the first place and it's been badly handled since

I like this right here. There still needs to be something "groundbreaking" added. Like on a Morrison-type level, but surpassing that.

[rwsmith]

Destroy all "possible futures" and take those time-displaced characters with them.

Even speaking as a Cable fan, I'd be okay with this. In fact, I endorse it!

[RolandJP]

For one thing, no more "Poor mutants hated by the whole wide world". It's gotten ridiculous. Marvel seem to be aiming for some quasi-realism in their books but the treatment of mutants isn't anything approaching realistic. Yes there a minority but if Marvel wants to go that route, do it realistically, rather than having every other human in thre X-Books a torches and pitch forks wielding imbecile. You can't tell me, after the X-Men have saved humanity a hundred times or more, there are still that many people willing to listen to people like Trask or Creed.


You are kidding right?

Do you really think service to humankind..such as saving our collected butts would stave off prejudice. You are aware that their were minority soldiers during the revolutionary war--also union soldiers during the civil war. Did prejudice end after their service?

How about after WW2? Vietnam?? Desert Storm?? I know comics are fantasy but what you are asking for is out there.

[Ratstar]

I liked the idea PAD had going briefly about mutants actually being recognised as an endangered species and thereby obtaining official conservation and protection. Shame it was never brought up elsewhere. Would've worked a lot better than Prop X coming out of nowhere (couldn't Cyke just have asked Iron Man or whoever to call a press conference and explain mutants can't make babies any more? is he still too busy being an out of character dickhead?)

[NickFury90]

You know me, I'm all for what Morrison was doing: taking a core group of X-men(here that Fraction? New X-men actually had a honest to God TEAM! No constant Fraptions for random D-list mutants here), giving them some real characterization, and basically moving the series forward. Ya know, them getting some human supporters, being a bit of a corporation, the Xavier School being an actual school, etc. You've seen me do this rant before. I love these cast of characters, and I love them even more when they decided to actually evolve and move forward(ya know, one of the central themes of the series).

I do like what Rastar suggested, thats basically what they were doing during the early '90s relaunch. You had the really popular mutants on the "X-men" title, you had the not-as-popular X-men on "Uncanny", you had the up-and-coming mutants on "New X-men" and then you had the "YEAH DARK AND VIOLENT!" guys on X-force. I thought that worked out well, until they had a giant fucking crossover once a year, forcing you to buy all the books if you wanted to know WTF was going on.

Again, I mostly just like them when they're an actual team. Thats why most people here enjoy X-force and X-factor. Thats why I still have hope out there for Astonishing X-men to get back on its feet come October. A good solid team with a great writer with pretty artwork should be just what the X-men need.

[rwsmith]

But...how exactly would that be something "new"? A reset to the blue and gold team days like you mention would be a big step backwards, at least IMO. I kind of like the concept of a nebulous cast in the X-men. That in and of itself is new. The only problem is that it only comes out once a month, so it's hard for everyone to get some panel time.

I'd like to see Mark Millar take over the creative direction of Uncanny and have it come out three times per month. Mike Carey would script over Millar's plots (to keep the gruelling 3x per month schedule) and the artistic rotation would include Steve McNiven, Mike McKone, Terry Dodson and Tom Raney. Dave Finch would provide all 36 covers per year. Legacy would be cancelled and Rogue folded into Uncanny, as would Astonishing after Ellis' run wraps.

[jarrod]

I kind of like the concept of a nebulous cast in the X-men. That in and of itself is new.
Wilderness era.

[Monty_Cristo]

You are kidding right?

Do you really think service to humankind..such as saving our collected butts would stave off prejudice. You are aware that their were minority soldiers during the revolutionary war--also union soldiers during the civil war. Did prejudice end after their service?

no but things improved significantly after the debut of The Cosby Show. what the marvel universe needs are high profile safe mutants to balance out the militant Cyclops-shippers. they used to have the Beast. the humans loved him because he was articulate and a sell-out. but McCoy has since destroyed his reputation. i think it's time for new blood; someone shorter and more clean cut. Shortpack is a cruelly underutilized spokesperson for safe mutants.

[Ratstar]

But...how exactly would that be something "new"? A reset to the blue and gold team days like you mention would be a big step backwards, at least IMO. I kind of like the concept of a nebulous cast in the X-men. That in and of itself is new. The only problem is that it only comes out once a month, so it's hard for everyone to get some panel time.

I'd like to see Mark Millar take over the creative direction of Uncanny and have it come out three times per month. Mike Carey would script over Millar's plots (to keep the gruelling 3x per month schedule) and the artistic rotation would include Steve McNiven, Mike McKone, Terry Dodson and Tom Raney. Dave Finch would provide all 36 covers per year. Legacy would be cancelled and Rogue folded into Uncanny, as would Astonishing after Ellis' run wraps.

I'm not sure about that, I find Millar's work is far too inconsistent.

[deathsatan]

Just make things simpler, organised and cleaned up.

Some people suggested Uncanny be reformatted and it sounded like a good idea- especially if price (hopefully along with page count) has to go up; choose a set team, all or most of whom take part in the main story, and have a side story in the back pages following the rest of the team or other mutants.

And undo M-day.

this might be what you want in an x book but in no way would it be new.

Anyway the book designed to tell a story about a small consistent cast of x-men is astonishing, it just never comes out.

[Quinnhop]

Remove the X-Men from the rest of the Marvel Universe.

Literally.

I never understood why people would fear mutants but love and adore teams like the Fantastic Four or the Avengers.

[RoguefanAM]

Remove the X-Men from the rest of the Marvel Universe.

Literally.

I never understood why people would fear mutants but love and adore teams like the Fantastic Four or the Avengers.

It's too late. There's too much history that ties itself to the rest of the MU. Logan and Storm especially.

[RolandJP]

Remove the X-Men from the rest of the Marvel Universe.

Literally.

I never understood why people would fear mutants but love and adore teams like the Fantastic Four or the Avengers.

Thats the point. Prejudice and Bigotry makes no sense.

To hate someone for the color of their skin.
Sexual orientation.
or Gender is stupid.

Yet, it happens.

The X-men are an allegory for this.

I would love for the mutants to splinter along ideological preferences. I would have some believe that the time of mutant tolerance has arrived. The old bigotry has gone..its has no meaning to these mutants. then I would have a faction that are hounded by Sentinels and hate groups--to them nothing has changed.

It would mirror current sensibilities.

[Something Other]

Even speaking as a Cable fan, I'd be okay with this. In fact, I endorse it!

I'm all for the destruction of alternate timelines (especially the more dystopian ones) but I reallyreally want to keep Cable. :/

[RolandJP]

Cable has got to go.

I would kill him off with a new mutant named Netflix or Bluray.

[Something Other]

Cable has got to go.

I would kill him off with a new mutant named Netflix or Bluray.

Clever, but I say thee nay.

[deathsatan]

this whole thread is so unintentionally funny.

what would bring something "new?"

so everyone responds:
make them outlaws in hiding, or make it more like morrison, or undo m-day, or arbitrary team line-ups based on popularity....

guys, "new", does not equal "more like your favorite older era."

[NickFury90]

Look, theres only so many damn X-men stories you can do. Even Morrison's run was basically Claremont without all the craptastic dialog(Sentinels, Shi'ar, Weapon X, Magneto, Dark Phoenix, Days of Future Past, X-men expands to different countries, etc). I don't think the X-men need anything "new", but merely they need to be executed better.

[Perfection/Emma 2]

Kill the president of their world and enslaves all humans, excluding my alternate world self "yes the Marvel universer has their P/E too" for I would gladly help them

[Obsidian Thought]

The X-men represent the element of difference, the unknown and something that isn't the "norm" but present nonetheless. I have respect for what the X-men represent in the comics: perserverance. Bigotry, hate and indifference aren't going anywhere, unfortunatetly they are a permanent aspect of our human nature; they'll be around as long as they're human beings and that's why the X-men also have longevity. We'll always need someone to fight for what's right and represent the other voices in the world.

I think the X-men's fight at its basis will or should always be a fight for those who are oppressed, overlooked or silenced. They fight for human beings who had no control over being born a mutant.

I think what the X-universe needs is to continue to evolve: seeing villains become heroes and vice-versa because people do change as times goes by; the idea of mutants becoming the majority and how that changes the mission statement for the X-men is an interesting notion; what about the X-men slowly becoming the bad guys due to choices they were forced to take in a situation? There are many ways to take the X-men, I hope Fraction is headed in a new and interesting direction; as long as the X-men represent an idea and fight for that idea...I'll read it.

[Crowforge]

this whole thread is so unintentionally funny.

what would bring something "new?"

so everyone responds:
make them outlaws in hiding, or make it more like morrison, or undo m-day, or arbitrary team line-ups based on popularity....

guys, "new", does not equal "more like your favorite older era."
Go back and read my post then.

[Ratstar]

this might be what you want in an x book but in no way would it be new.

Anyway the book designed to tell a story about a small consistent cast of x-men is astonishing, it just never comes out.

I know it's not really new, but being more organised like that would make the book more consistent and allow it to then progress by exploring new ideas.



this whole thread is so unintentionally funny.

what would bring something "new?"

so everyone responds:
make them outlaws in hiding, or make it more like morrison, or undo m-day, or arbitrary team line-ups based on popularity....

guys, "new", does not equal "more like your favorite older era."

When I say undo m-day, I mean just let mutants be born again and let depowered mutants get their powers back if they wish, not just make it like it never happened. The current status quo is too restricting and things like Prop X just don't have any impact.

To start something 'new' you have to know where you're already at, which the X-line doesn't right now.

[MythicBrawn]

Remove the X-Men from the rest of the Marvel Universe.

Literally.

I never understood why people would fear mutants but love and adore teams like the Fantastic Four or the Avengers.

Not so much remove them from the MU but remove their status. I mean that they would be considered superhumans without a care how they got they're powers. There is humans and superhumans. That's it. You either like superhumans or not. Who cares how they got their powers? The key is humans don't have powers and they should fear/hate those with them regardless of how they got them. How do you tell a person, especially a teenager, is a mutant or non-mutant superhuman just by looking at them? Power Pack, Speedball and a bunch of others were considered mutants which wasn't true. I can accept that some would get a pass because of celebrity status like the FF or Captain America. But, Marvel has been mining the prejudice angle of mutants for over 40 years and it just seems played out to me. Of course, my opinion doesn't matter because Marvel is still making money off mutants and that dictates what will actually be. So, consider my rant pointless.

[frog]

this whole thread is so unintentionally funny.

what would bring something "new?"

so everyone responds:
make them outlaws in hiding, or make it more like morrison, or undo m-day, or arbitrary team line-ups based on popularity....

guys, "new", does not equal "more like your favorite older era."

Hey, invading Wakanda would absolutely be new!

[RolandJP]

Hey, invading Wakanda would absolutely be new!

I dont think its an invasion. Recently, Storm hit him with a thunderbolt 10,000 miles away ( in the X-men apart mini)--and that was just to save his life.

Id hate to see what Storm would do to the punk if he tried to invade.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

I dont think its an invasion. Recently, Storm hit him with a thunderbolt 10,000 miles away ( in the X-men apart mini)--and that was just to save his life.

Id hate to see what Storm would do to the punk if he tried to invade.

Well, when you put it that way, I may actually want to see this. :biggrin:

[Free-Man]

I'm all for the destruction of alternate timelines (especially the more dystopian ones) but I reallyreally want to keep Cable. :/

There are ways around that. When DC did the infamous "Crisis On Infinite Earths" where they erased all alternate realities and timelines, they found ways to keep certain alternate universe heroes in canon.


For example, there was a character named Fury who was Wonder Woman's teenaged daughter from the future. After destroying her timeline, they retconned her mother into being a Wonder Woman-esque superhero who had retired.

If they ever destoyed all the future timelines in the X-Men, Cable could still be kept in continuity.

[Free-Man]

I'm all for the destruction of alternate timelines (especially the more dystopian ones) but I reallyreally want to keep Cable. :/

There are ways around that. When DC did the infamous "Crisis On Infinite Earths" where they erased all alternate realities and timelines, they found ways to keep certain alternate universe heroes in canon.

For example, there was a character named Fury who was Wonder Woman's teenaged daughter from the future. After destroying her timeline, they retconned her mother into being a Wonder Woman-esque superhero who had retired.

If they ever destoyed all the future timelines in the X-Men, Cable could still be kept in continuity.

[JMSassy]

Many are asking to undo the events of M-day...

Now that we have seen mutantkind almost strugling in these dire times, I agree to the notion of bringing back the mutant populace in a world that is slowly accepting diversity and changes.

I am hoping that the Omega machine, the unstabe Omega Weapon, and High Evolutionary's 'mutant healing' technology would cross paths, create a reaction, and would climax into a big bang that would generate enough force to restore, or even create new mutants that would replenish its dying existence.

That and the dead mutants coming out of Necrosha - wow, lots of mutants in an instant!

[ZNOP]

There are ways around that. When DC did the infamous "Crisis On Infinite Earths" where they erased all alternate realities and timelines, they found ways to keep certain alternate universe heroes in canon.

For example, there was a character named Fury who was Wonder Woman's teenaged daughter from the future. After destroying her timeline, they retconned her mother into being a Wonder Woman-esque superhero who had retired.

If they ever destoyed all the future timelines in the X-Men, Cable could still be kept in continuity.

Even if they erased all future timelines why would that affect Nathanial? He was born in 616. He was infected in 616. Theoretically he could have been cured in 616.

[MartinRedmond]

I'd enjoy Matt Faction if he'd get over Scott and Emma. Or make Emma a cougar like I always thought she was pre Grant Morrison. She'd be 10X better that way.

And they just need to let Mike Carey write a book full of fights again like pre messiah. He was great at it. I think, the only think that keeps me from buying regularly, despite my obsession with the x-men, is that every story feels like it's constantly taking 2 steps backwards.

[Something Other]

Even if they erased all future timelines why would that affect Nathanial? He was born in 616. He was infected in 616. Theoretically he could have been cured in 616.

He cured himself in 616, but only temporarily. It was interesting that when he kicked the T-O virus out of himself, his metal parts stayed metal. For some reason I was expecting them to go back to flesh again.

[Crowforge]

He cured himself in 616, but only temporarily. It was interesting that when he kicked the T-O virus out of himself, his metal parts stayed metal. For some reason I was expecting them to go back to flesh again.
Well if it was TO then it should have and that was a slip up by people that wern't fans of the 80's new mutants.

[Waterlily]

Just "Wolverine: First Class" it is then.

Honestly, these days I'm enjoying various books with "Wolverine" in the title far more than books with "X-Men" in the title.

I'm really enjoying those "Wolverine" books, as well. Especially the one with "Dark" in the title.


I dunno who.

BUT I liked how Morrison did it and everything was all different and better when he jumped on-board. I don't need much explanation, just make it better.

We don't need "new", new =/= good, we just need better. A better handle on the overall movement of the book which should be greatly improved by undoing M-Day.


I'd add Dark to that list. Shame we still have Origins dragging down the average. :/

At least Origins ends with #60 (they still need time to explain Silver Fox). Hope is in sight.


i think much of it has to do with finding writers who both write well consistently and truly understand the characters.

Neil Gaiman would be wonderful on something like Astonishing. He was my prime choice after Whedon left.

As much as I like Neil Gaiman, I have no idea what his X-Men would be like. I mean, after reading Transmetropolitan I thought I'd love to have Ellis on an X-title, but I was proved wrong.


no but things improved significantly after the debut of The Cosby Show. what the marvel universe needs are high profile safe mutants to balance out the militant Cyclops-shippers. they used to have the Beast. the humans loved him because he was articulate and a sell-out. but McCoy has since destroyed his reputation. i think it's time for new blood; someone shorter and more clean cut. Shortpack is a cruelly underutilized spokesperson for safe mutants.

I wish this would happen just so we could see you burst into a Shortpack heart-filled rainbow firework explosion from happiness. (you'd regain your form, of course)

[Ratstar]

As much as I like Neil Gaiman, I have no idea what his X-Men would be like. I mean, after reading Transmetropolitan I thought I'd love to have Ellis on an X-title, but I was proved wrong.

Ellis' Astonishing is great, it has his wit and the dialogue is stronger. I don't really feel Gaiman would be right for it, but it could be cool to switch writers every 12 issues or so.

[Goshin]

after utpoia, the x-men should all be wanted b the government and kicked outtta san fransisco. most of the team leaves except for 8 core members (scott, kurt, rogue, dazzler, northstar, etc) that would travel the world goin from place to place for awhile (like uncanny 110-121 era) fighting old foes in the savage land, africa, the middle east, madripoor etc such as sauron and the mutates, omega red, reavers, the hand, etc before finally settling down in a new setting like off the mediteranean coast or angel's colorado aerie or somewhere.

xavier should be an ally, but not their leader let him help out in the rest of the MU like he did in the 70s pre-giant size x-men.

with very few mutants left let magneto be an x-men ally that would let them stay in his old bermuda triangle lair for awhile until everything blow over with the governent.,


bring some new omega level threats to the team, or take some underused x-villains and give them bigger roles (like selene in necrosha). let the shadow king influence anti-mutant feelings in the US governent. bring the team into conflict with non-x villains more often, like Doom, the hand, etc

keep jean dead until 2012 or so, and bring her back in a non-x book and let her be an avenger or a stand in FF until she finally reunites with the rest of the team.

and.....


keep scott and emma together and let logan finally have a crack at fire-crotch

[Monty_Cristo]

I wish this would happen just so we could see you burst into a Shortpack heart-filled rainbow firework explosion from happiness. (you'd regain your form, of course)

watch out for rainbow shrapnel!