What will the thrid and final part of the "Messiah" Saga Cover/Answer?

[KwameKamikaze]

The Messiah Saga from what I've read is supposed to be a three part Story that's supposed to redefine the X-Books and the Mutants in Marvel with a new mutant emerging that's supposed to save or doom the Mutants Race.

Messiah Complex brought hope to the Mutants and ended up restarting X-Force as a Mutant assassin group with Cyclops now becoming militant. It also brought out the real reason Bishop was staying in this time, to kill that baby that he believes will doom the mutants.


Messiah War had Hope introduced to some mutants and dangled her in front of Apocalypse and Stryfe seeing her as an heir. and showed that Cyclops thinks it's Okay for a couple of innocent mutants to die in order to save the race. It also made me wonder: How bad could Hope be if teaming up with Stryfe is a better alternative (That and the fact that he basically blew up the whole world just to corner her and Cable)


So... How will this end? Does Hope return to the present and this sh*t actually hit the fan in some huge company wide cross over? Will Bishop Be able to say "Told you so!" or "Oops!"? Will the connection with Jean Grey finally be revealed and get the resurrection over with? Will the Scarlett Witch have anything to do with an X-gene coming back? When will more mutant babies start being born? Why is there so many questions???

[Something Other]

Whatever they do, I hope they bring Cable back into the regular MU.

I can't decide whether Hope is going to be Jean Grey or it's going to be a set-up. It seems obvious, but almost too obvious.

[KwameKamikaze]

Whatever they do, I hope they bring Cable back into the regular MU.

I can't decide whether Hope is going to be Jean Grey or it's going to be a set-up. It seems obvious, but almost too obvious.

I think Hope's someone from the Grey Gene that the Shiar missed, they missed Cable (if he counts) too when they did the End of Greys Arc.

[Washout]

I think Rogue and Elixir might play important roles, both having a connection to the baby.

We'll probably find out what the baby's powers are and "what she is."

I'm hoping we see the marauders again. I think some of the stuff that's going on in X-force will all come together in this cross-over.

I hope it's soon. I'm ready to move on.

[NewMutant]

The return of Jean Grey as the Messiah, most likely (and hopefully) as Hope.

The reversal of M-Day.

Probably the death of someone.

And hopefully a new writer for Uncanny.

[Jack Flash]

I think Hope's someone from the Grey Gene that the Shiar missed, they missed Cable (if he counts) too when they did the End of Greys Arc.

Cable is not of the Grey Gene. He's of the Pryor Gene. thus not a Grey target for the Shiar.

[Washout]

Cable is not of the Grey Gene. He's of the Pryor Gene. thus not a Grey target for the Shiar.

But his Maddy is "of the Grey Gene," so wouldn't he be, too?

[Jack Flash]

To me it's like being the son of a identical twin. It's not exact, Maddie was cloned from Jean, but she wasn't identical to her. She didn't have the same power set.

[widdershins]

Identical twins have the same Dna. The difference is in Maddie's case the powers remained latent. Anyway, Cable is certainly a closest match and a more probable candidate for becoming phoenix than many of the distant relatives which were killed by the Shiar, which means that they either didn't know of his existence or couldn't find him.

[Majinoaw]

I've asked this question repeatedly on this forum, to see if anyone knows of the endgame that Marvel is playing at. My guess is that it by the time the X-men see her again, she'll ppssibly be in her teens or in her 20s... and Cable will be like 90 or something. He's already pusing 55 to 60 now... could be even older than that.

But there are too many unknown variables - like Jean Grey, Bishop's nuke and Apocalypse... I can see Apoc taking temporary possession of the girl and killing the million I can see Bishop's nuke going off and killing a million. I can also see Jean Grey returning at some point, but there is no clear indication that she's Hope. We're being teased like that but just about as much as we were with Mutant Zero in the Initiative... But Marvel has a backdoor where they can easily bring Jean back. We'll see. At this point I don't see a clear path of determination for what the final act will entail.

[Majinoaw]

Identical twins have the same Dna. The difference is in Maddie's case the powers remained latent. Anyway, Cable is certainly a closest match and a more probable candidate for becoming phoenix than many of the distant relatives which were killed by the Shiar, which means that they either didn't know of his existence or couldn't find him.

Or the writer just didn't want to include him. I think that was Chris Claremont, right?

[Something Other]

The return of Jean Grey as the Messiah, most likely (and hopefully) as Hope.

The reversal of M-Day.

Probably the death of someone.

And hopefully a new writer for Uncanny.

Reversal of M-Day - oh please yes.

I hope they don't kill Cable.

Wonder what Cyclops's reaction will be to whomever Hope turns out to be.

[Waterlily]

I think she's Scarlet Witch + Hawkeye's daughter. I'm most likely wrong but until I see otherwise in the books, that's what I'm going with. I have no interest in Hope being tied to Jean as a clone/reincarnation/ghostofaclone/wtfever.

I'm ignoring the moment where she had a Phoenix eye as a red herring. Not interested.

At the end of this I'm hoping the "No more mutants" spell is gone.

[scamprin]

I don't think you can ignore the Phoenix eyes, or the fact that Rachel recently mentioned her mother stirring and messing up the connection to the Phoenix Force... I wish we could though. I never liked the whole Phoenix thing. I know its one of the biggest pieces of the X-men mythos but it has always seemed very out of place to me. I don't like the X-men being trapped in some kind of cosmic opera anymore that I like seeing Spiderman living in Atlantis and becoming the underwater checkers champion.

And... I'm kind of irritated with Jean Grey and Wolverine always popping up and multiplying. I don't want to see Jean or the Phoenix revived, or be reincarnated in a little girl. I'd rather Hope be something totally unexpected. The story of Madrox and Siryn's recently born child was very creative and surprising, and while it wouldn't have worked with Hope, I'd like to see something that is equally surprising. Seeing Hope become some kind of twisted Phoenix character or Apocalypse's disciple is something that we can see coming from a mile away, and I don't think it would be anything new.

I think a lot of the problem is that people keep trying to create characters, rather than use the ones that are just sitting around collecting dust. This is one of the reasons I really like X-Factor. PAD does a great job of working with the cards that he's dealt and without being the center of every sensational world changing plot.

[NewMutant]

I also think/hope that the third part of Messiah triology will connect many storylines:

1) The third part of Greg Paks Phoenix stuff (Endsong was excellent. Warsong left me wanting much.)

2) The Starjammer X-Men. The Phoenix power leaving Rachel and Sword guy.

3) Plus the M-Day stuff I said before in a previous post.

[Ratstar]

Hopefully...

-Hope turns out to be something... Interesting, not just a third/ fourth dull Grey girl or a way to bring back the original dull Grey girl.
-M day is sorted. Not 'reversed'. But like, Mutants can be born as normal again, mutants can breed etc, not just ctrl+Z for the whole thing. Then when it's not such a big deal anymore they can provide a method for mutants who want their powers back to get them back
-The stories get some bloody time OFF from all the events and a chance to have their own stories.

[KwameKamikaze]

I really doubt Hope is the reincarnation on Jean Grey even if that's what they were planning, too many people guessed it and they'd probably go a different route because of it.

I think she's what I said before, about being a Grey and the successor to the Phoenix force. Jean Grey comes back and says "Listen to Bishop!" and Hope steals the Phoenix from her unknowingly, being angry that everyone is starting to think they were wrong about her then Bishop's future ends up happening. Also whatever angle X-Factor is working write now about changing a time line instead of creating an alternate one can also be put into play.

Or maybe I've been thinking about this too much...

Also I think Cyclops would have a breakdown if Hope is the Anti-Christ. All the people he's assigned to kill and all the people he sacrificed would have been fro nothing.

[frog]

I really doubt Hope is the reincarnation on Jean Grey even if that's what they were planning, too many people guessed it and they'd probably go a different route because of it.



I think that they were planning it and too many people went ewww!

[Ratstar]

Also I think Cyclops would have a breakdown if Hope is the Anti-Christ. All the people he's assigned to kill and all the people he sacrificed would have been fro nothing.

Who has he successfully assigned to be killed in relation to this? All I can think of is the Purifiers, and that wasn't directly involved with Hope. Other occasional orders to kill didn't work (Mystique, ...Bishop?)

[Something Other]

Apocalypse has got to play a role somehow...he was making noises about wanting to be good (?! or something) after Warren healed him and before he dragged Stryfe off to do unspeakable things to him. Curious to see how that plays out.

[NewMutant]

I really doubt Hope is the reincarnation on Jean Grey even if that's what they were planning, too many people guessed it and they'd probably go a different route because of it.

I think she's what I said before, about being a Grey and the successor to the Phoenix force. Jean Grey comes back and says "Listen to Bishop!" and Hope steals the Phoenix from her unknowingly, being angry that everyone is starting to think they were wrong about her then Bishop's future ends up happening. Also whatever angle X-Factor is working write now about changing a time line instead of creating an alternate one can also be put into play.

Or maybe I've been thinking about this too much...

Also I think Cyclops would have a breakdown if Hope is the Anti-Christ. All the people he's assigned to kill and all the people he sacrificed would have been fro nothing.

See I actually want her to be Jean. Because if it is planned itll probably make more sense. If not they I could literally not care at all about Hope.

It would be an interesting way to bring her back and seperate her from Cyke.

[Askani's Flame]

Or the writer just didn't want to include him. I think that was Chris Claremont, right?

I'm pretty sure Claremont said he wasn't able to use Cable for this arc. Cable had a lot going on (Cable and Deadpool, X-Men, and the seeds of Messiah Complex were being sewn) so he wasn't available as Claremont intended.

[spiderwire]

Messiah Complex started with a bang. Messiah War ran a little flat. This last part has to deliver. Atleast answer some of the pending questions. Far as Cable and Bishop, those characters are done. Two tired heavyweights who have seen better days. Hope has become an enigma by just being born. I think she is more connected to the Scarlet Witch than Jean Grey. If and when Jean comes back I hope not to the X-Men right away. Let her chill in Wakanda with Storm for awhile or the New Avengers with Logan.

[KwameKamikaze]

I'm pretty sure Claremont said he wasn't able to use Cable for this arc. Cable had a lot going on (Cable and Deadpool, X-Men, and the seeds of Messiah Complex were being sewn) so he wasn't available as Claremont intended.

Wolverine's a regular in 5 books right now and this is after you exclude the fact Daken took over his regular book, maybe Claremont wanted to leave some room for reason in case they wanted to do something with otther Greys.


Who has he successfully assigned to be killed in relation to this? All I can think of is the Purifiers, and that wasn't directly involved with Hope. Other occasional orders to kill didn't work (Mystique, ...Bishop?)

He was willing to let Surge, Hellion and Boom Boom die just to locate the baby.

[The Thunderbird]

I really hope Jean comes back and loses the Phoenix. They made so many connections to Hope and Jean they must have something planned for her. They did say they were discussing bringing back Jean at a con before.

[Something Other]

Far as Cable and Bishop, those characters are done. Two tired heavyweights who have seen better days.

Nooooooooooooooooo
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:(

Cable could use some rejuvenating and de-aging and his powers back, though. Also, More Stuff To Do Than Baby-Sit.

[cable guy]

Whatever they do, I hope they bring Cable back into the regular MU.


I am hoping for this big time.

[FeminineMystique]

I'm betting Magneto will turn up in the third part of the Messiah trilogy, as he's got his powers back now and each part has featured major villains from X-History.

Messiah Complex had the Purifiers, Mr Sinister, The Acolytes and Marauders and Exodous
Messiah War had Stryfe and Apocalypse.
The only "Big name" villain left to feature in a major role is Magneto. I can see a three way battle developing between the X-Men, Magneto and Apocalypse for possesion of Hope, with Cable and Bishop caught in the middle. And hopefully someone will finally put Bishop, aka "The worlds biggest screw up" out of his misery once and for all

[KwameKamikaze]

I'm betting Magneto will turn up in the third part of the Messiah trilogy, as he's got his powers back now and each part has featured major villains from X-History.

Messiah Complex had the Purifiers, Mr Sinister, The Acolytes and Marauders and Exodous
Messiah War had Stryfe and Apocalypse.
The only "Big name" villain left to feature in a major role is Magneto. I can see a three way battle developing between the X-Men, Magneto and Apocalypse for possesion of Hope, with Cable and Bishop caught in the middle. And hopefully someone will finally put Bishop, aka "The worlds biggest screw up" out of his misery once and for all

If Mangeto's involved, I think he's going to play more of an anti-hero role. He feels some of the responsibility of M-day so I think he would try to do the right thing. I would love to see SOMETHING with the Scarlet Witch. She's the biggest Mutant in Marvel that has no connection to any X-Teams, and ended up causing the X-men all of this trouble. I'd love to have her remember everything at the end of this.

[marvell2100]

Cable turns Bishop away from the Dark Side and together they team up to stop the evil Emperor(Stryfe) and destroy the Death Star.

[KwameKamikaze]

Cable turns Bishop away from the Dark Side and together they team up to stop the evil Emperor(Stryfe) and destroy the Death Star.

Not before Bishop reveals he's Hope's father... she's just light skinned.

[rwsmith]

Personally, I'm just ready for it to end. At this stage they probably ought to go ahead and kill both Cable and Bishop to signify an end to all things related to their alternate futures. Ever since Days of Future Past the X-men seem to have been heading towards one dystopian future or another. It would be nice if the third act of the Messiah trilogy put an end to all of that and the future was wide open again (i.e., Hope restores hope to the mutants again, pun intended).

I like Cable (and Bishop to a lesser degree), but at this point I feel that Marvel doesn't really know what to do with him and perhaps he is a relic of the 90's era. I'd rather see him go out with a bang myself. Kind of like how he went out the first time in X-Cutioner's Song. That was a perfect death for the character IMO, and it's a kind of a shame that they undid it.

[Henry T.]

I want Jean Grey/Phoenix to return and at this point I don't particularly care how or why.

If she is not Hope, or not related to her, or if Hope is not a missing fragment then I hope Jean returns to either help protect Hope or destroy her.

Jean returning would make the story more interesting, imho.

Why not? Everyone has been after Hope (Sinister, Stryfe, Apocalypse, Brood etc).

[Filthy Mutie]

What if Hope was Irene Adler?

[KwameKamikaze]

What if Hope was Irene Adler?

I would be shocked if she was Irene Alder, but I wouldn't care, she needs to be someone with more suspense, or be her own person and not some reincarnation. Also, if she's Rachel Grey or Jean Grey, wouldn't Bishop have recognize them as the Messiah and have killed them way back when? That's why I hope it's neither of them.

[frog]

Hope is revealed to be Cassandra Nova.

[fortyseven]

Hope is revealed to be Cassandra Nova.

...Hope will look like this when she meets up with Cable again:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y98/travo_89/ERNST-1.jpg

[MuhollandDriver]

A dingo took my Hope!

[FeminineMystique]

If Mangeto's involved, I think he's going to play more of an anti-hero role. He feels some of the responsibility of M-day so I think he would try to do the right thing. I would love to see SOMETHING with the Scarlet Witch. She's the biggest Mutant in Marvel that has no connection to any X-Teams, and ended up causing the X-men all of this trouble. I'd love to have her remember everything at the end of this.

Given that when we last saw him he was smacking the X-Men around and calmly informing Scot that he had every intention of resuming his quest to put Mutants on top, I think he'll probably do what he sees as the right thing, but it'll still put him at odds with the X-Men.

[ZNOP]

Kamikaze;9316711]I would be shocked if she was Irene Alder, but I wouldn't care, she needs to be someone with more suspense, or be her own person and not some reincarnation. Also, if she's Rachel Grey or Jean Grey, wouldn't Bishop have recognize them as the Messiah and have killed them way back when? That's why I hope it's neither of them.[/QUOTE]

Bishop lost his own identity "way back":rolleyes: He's so twisted (canon wise) now, that -- if Shard was born tomorrow (Yes, I know she was born in 2080AD) he would most likely target her as the Messiah child too -- even after he killed Hope Grey. Errrr... Summers:wink: Hmmm... Now, there's a kick:evilsmile: Bishop pulls a page from Pharaoh's handbookbook -- and starts killing all of the post M-Day baby's. Now, that I think about it... Where was it said that the Messiah child was a girl?

[Filthy Mutie]

I would be shocked if she was Irene Alder, but I wouldn't care, she needs to be someone with more suspense, or be her own person and not some reincarnation. Also, if she's Rachel Grey or Jean Grey, wouldn't Bishop have recognize them as the Messiah and have killed them way back when? That's why I hope it's neither of them.

I completely agree--I hope she's her own person and will vomit with rage if she's a Grey. If she did have to be a recycled character, Destiny would be a loop. Born in the future, raised by Cable, sent to the past, hooks-up with Mystique, writes teh diaries (which have a lot to do with her own birth), etc. Weird!