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J-Bolt
08-27-2006, 07:27 PM
What printing company DOESN'T include cover, back IBC and IFC as pages?
they also count ads... unless you're planning on not running ANY ads... which would be foolish.
Ads obviously would be in it, but in comic books, the ad pages aren't numbered.
I think I've seen that full comic before... it looks like old work and as I commented before... anatomy is off. That said... it's a fun image.
No, you haven't seen that full comic before as only 3 of the inked pages have ever been/are on the site now. The rest of the pages are the sketched thumbnails. Also, this page that I put up there was just done 2 nights ago.
So, it's anything BUT old.
Anatomy, I don't feel like commenting on, except that 99% of what I've seen from every other publisher is hundreds of times worse on anatomy.
I've never had my work, this type anyway, called "fun." I'm not sure how to take that except that you obviously don't take it seriously.
cool, so will you be constructing the comic in InDesign? or just Illustrator files and then combining them as a PDF?
Who's your printer?
1,000 copies for $270 bucks is a pretty good deal, they're going B&W I would assume...
I will be putting the comic in a basic PageMaker file to publish it, each as high res jpg's.
As I've said many times before, there will be 25,000 copies printed of each issue and they'll be in full color. The only way I'll do b&w, is if I put one out in the CafeShops store, as they only print the cover as color and the rest b&w.
J-
J-Bolt
08-27-2006, 07:36 PM
This printer is in Las Vegas, but any local printers will give you good deals and prices, if you shop around. Just see what they print and you'll find excellent prices. They're all happy as hell to show you their work. And if they're a printer who does any publications you know, you already know the quality they put out. Plus, they go out of their way to compete with each other on prices.
The best way to go about getting a good printer, at a good price (like I did), just write everything down you need, in detail, and fax it to every one of the local printers, asking them to fax you back their quotes.
Once you have the best quotes, call them and tell them what the others quoted you and they'll all bid for your business against each other.
J-:cool:
Yes, that would be an insanely good deal. I can't see how any printer would make money off of charging 27 cents an issue for a color comic.
I'd really like the number to that printer so I can work with them concerning distribution through Diamond soon.
howyadoin
08-27-2006, 08:17 PM
I will be putting the comic in a basic PageMaker file to publish it, each as high res jpg's.I'd say you'd be better off going with TIFFs or EPS files. Some imagesetters have problems with JPEGs colour-separating properly - most of the publications I've done ads for won't take JPEGs at all.
A lot of 'em won't take PageMaker anymore, either. But if you've got a print shop that will, no worries there. Just check it out beforehand.
TCJohnson
08-27-2006, 08:23 PM
I'd say you'd be better off going with TIFFs or EPS files. Some imagesetters have problems with JPEGs colour-separating properly - most of the publications I've done ads for won't take JPEGs at all.
A lot of 'em won't take PageMaker anymore, either. But if you've got a print shop that will, no worries there. Just check it out beforehand.
What about PDFs? (Just curious)
howyadoin
08-27-2006, 08:54 PM
What about PDFs? (Just curious)Hi-Res PDFs for the whole thing are definitely good, if you've got the right PDF settings and if you distill them properly. There's all kinds of areas where you can run into problems, though.
For example, a few publications here in Vancouver are still using OS9 and QuarkXpress 4, and PDFs generated directly from InDesign, for example, apparently have some sort of code in them that the old operating system can't read. Finally we came up with a pre-set that generates an error-free postscript file that we process in Acrobat Distiller, but it took a lot of trial and error.
For something like a comic, though, rasterizing whole pages will eliminate any potential font problems, and still make it easy for the printer's pagination program to do its thing. For most multi-page documents (high-end brochures, annual reports, and like that), all the print houses we use prefer native files.
Carlton Donaghe
08-27-2006, 09:05 PM
I will be putting the comic in a basic PageMaker file to publish it, each as high res jpg's.
J-
J-Bolt, as Howyadoin said, you can't really use JPG's in PageMaker. The artwork should be saved as a TIFF file, the lettering in EPS. Make sure the lettering is converted to curves, or else you'll have to send the font files as well. If you do convert the lettering to curves (which I recommend), save a non-converted EPS file of the lettering just in case you need to go back in and edit. Also, if you are doing a color comic, you'll want to make sure the colors are all in CMYK. As far as I know, JPG files can only accomodate RPG colors-- which only work on computer screens. Printers cannot print from RPG colors. They'll have to convert them to CMYK, and will most likely charge you extra for doing so.
Just sayin'.
TomStillwell
08-27-2006, 09:07 PM
Most of the printers I've talked to take PDFs. That's how I handle Honor Brigade and comixpress.
J-Bolt, even if that printer is in Las Vegas, I'd still use them. My current printer is in New Jersey while I'm in Chicago. I'll go where I can get the best price and that price, out of all the printers I've already talked to, is crazy. Especially on a color comic. I'd really like to contact them for a quote myself.
Of course that quote may be so low because of the absurdly huge print run. I'd be looking to print a more realistic number.
Carlton Donaghe
08-27-2006, 10:10 PM
If you were to use Brenner to print 25,000 copies of a 40pg color comic, with interiors on 50# white gloss, covers (color outside, b&w inside) on 70# gloss book, you'll be paying more than $0.44 per copy. You might be able to get it significantly lower if you print 50,000 copies, but nobody outside of Marvel and DC is selling those kinds of numbers. Image's top-selling book in July (Witchblade #100) sold just under 34,000 copies. Darkhorse's top-selling book (Star Wars Legacy #2) sold less than 33,500. If you are planning on selling comics outside of comic shops, where you probably won't be able to sell them on a non-returnable basis, you'll need to count on printing and distributing 3 copies for every one you sell-- which is one of the reasons why you don't see comics on newsstands anymore.
[Edited to correct grammer. Okay, and now spelling, too.]
Clement
08-27-2006, 11:08 PM
Anatomy, I don't feel like commenting on, except that 99% of what I've seen from every other publisher is hundreds of times worse on anatomy.
I've never had my work, this type anyway, called "fun." I'm not sure how to take that except that you obviously don't take it seriously.
that's your defense ? other people are worse than me? when someone says something like that to me when I'm giving them a portfolio review, the review is over.
that stuff is amateurish at best, and believe me, I'm holding back cause Gail asked that we keep it civil.
MacQuarrie
08-28-2006, 01:19 AM
I've never had my work, this type anyway, called "fun." I'm not sure how to take that except that you obviously don't take it seriously.
Dude, given the current state of comics, I think "fun" is the highest compliment anyone could give.
Crowley
08-28-2006, 06:36 AM
I'd say you'd be better off going with TIFFs or EPS files. Some imagesetters have problems with JPEGs colour-separating properly - most of the publications I've done ads for won't take JPEGs at all.
A lot of 'em won't take PageMaker anymore, either. But if you've got a print shop that will, no worries there. Just check it out beforehand.
that's exactly what I was about to say... when I FTP stuff for freelance clients and at DDP we NEVER use Jpegs.
CMYK 300 DPI TIFFs Embedded into Illustrator generated EPSs linked in INDESIGN files and then PDFed.
and Jbolt,
I've never heard of a print company ever not counting cover, back, IFC and IBC... or the ads. But then the 27 cent per color book rate I've also never heard of...
would love to know what printer is giving you such a great deal.
Crowley
08-28-2006, 06:48 AM
that's your defense ? other people are worse than me? when someone says something like that to me when I'm giving them a portfolio review, the review is over.
that stuff is amateurish at best, and believe me, I'm holding back cause Gail asked that we keep it civil.
Since you've chimed in, I love your stuff. Your JTF2 cover was pretty awesome, as was your work on Infantry and Voltron.
Crowley
08-28-2006, 07:04 AM
That's not what I've ever worked with, concerning page numbers in comic books. Maybe what you're talking about has to do with magazines and other media which ALL pages are numbered, but I don't know why any printer would expend the time/energy to sift through the advertising pages just to number the story pages. That's why I like to do it myself. Besides that, it also adds to the effective appearance of the book by having the personalized page number look.
other people here have worked on comics... I've now worked on maybe 100 books this year including G.I. JOE, Family Guy and Dungeons and Dragons books.
I'm telling you... the printer counts ads, they count cover, back, IBC and IFC.
Printers don't change they're tune based on whether it's a magazine on a comic except for sizing and binding.
MacQuarrie
08-28-2006, 08:57 AM
other people here have worked on comics... I've now worked on maybe 100 books this year including G.I. JOE, Family Guy and Dungeons and Dragons books.
I'm telling you... the printer counts ads, they count cover, back, IBC and IFC.
Printers don't change they're tune based on whether it's a magazine on a comic except for sizing and binding.
I think you guys are talking about different things.
Of course the printer counts all the pages, but when comics pages are numbered, it's usually only the story pages that have visible numbers on them. J-Bolt intoends to skip the ad pages and number the story pages sequentially, using his pretty numbers that he made.
I can't remember the last time I saw a comic with page numbers, but I wish they did it more often. Many times I've read a review or an interview with an artist or a letters page in which somebody referred to a given page of a story, and I had to go back and count the pages to fine the one they were tlaking about, and it's annoying.
TomStillwell
08-28-2006, 09:07 AM
Re-read you copy of Honor Brigade #1, Mac. I do page numbers.
I'm a firm believer in some of the old comic staples. Page numbers, word balloons, letter pages, and back-up stories. You'll see all of these come into play eventually in Honor Brigade.
MacQuarrie
08-28-2006, 09:48 AM
You're right, Tom, you did use page numbers. Now if only Marvel & DC would see the value in them.
While we're at it, how about thought balloons? I think this caption business is a poor substitute.
Does DC really think because they color the caption box blue and but Superman's logo next to it, I'm not going to realize that it's a good old fashioned thought balloon dressed up for today's snobby readers? It's a thought balloon; don't dress it up, go for it. Put the line of bubbles leading from the hero's cranium, put the text in a fluffy cloud-shaped balloon. It won't kill you.
So sue me, I'm old-school.
TomStillwell
08-28-2006, 09:59 AM
Thought balloons. That's what I meant. I use thought balloons. Of course I use word balloons. Duh.
I like to use caption boxes only for stuff the reader wouldn't know just by following the interaction between characters.
I'll stick the name of the current location in a caption box if it's not clear visually or to help with a transition in the story.
I'll use the caption box for narration too. Mostly though I like to avoid narration and let the characters tell their own story. I might use a caption box for a character's dialog in flashback or if we're seeing something else they are talking about.
Typo Lad
08-28-2006, 10:00 AM
I liked the "captions as thought baloons" in The Flash by Mark Waid. They complimented the story, instead of overwhelming it.
Red Jack
08-28-2006, 10:46 AM
Clement:
HOLY CRAP! your stuff is AWESOME!
Captions: I only use them as "voice overs." No "Meanwhile" etc.
howyadoin
08-28-2006, 12:17 PM
that's exactly what I was about to say... when I FTP stuff for freelance clients and at DDP we NEVER use Jpegs.
CMYK 300 DPI TIFFs Embedded into Illustrator generated EPSs linked in INDESIGN files and then PDFed.One of the many, many great things about InDesign, of course, is the Separations Preview, and being able to check the ink limits. I use that all the time, now. Couldn't imagine going back to Quark again.
Matt Algren
08-28-2006, 02:54 PM
I don't know how to do this except to just do it. The image below has been released as part of a Newsarama interview (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/titans/TonyDaniel/Daniel.html) with Tony Daniel. These are characters that will be appearing in Teen Titans in the near future.
NRAMA: Bombshell?
TD: Bombshell was initially named Lt. Atom. Eddie [Berganza] wanted a military look to her. And I think we'll see why that fits when issue #39 hits the stands.
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/titans/TonyDaniel/Bombshell_youngfrankenstein.jpg
howyadoin
08-28-2006, 02:56 PM
"Young Frankenstein"?
God, the jokes will practically write themselves.
TomStillwell
08-28-2006, 03:10 PM
I think both parties are okay sharing the say name. Now if both character shared the same concept and background that would be different.
To be honest, I like Daniel's Bombshell a whole lot better. Less is definately more in this case. She looks like a deadly piece of work as opposed to BombShell's overblown quality, no pun intended.
The BombShell design has never really appealed to me. It's sort of a 13 year old fanboy's idea of what a cool female superhero should look like. I haven't been 13 for many years.
Different tastes for different people. It's just not my taste.
Matt Algren
08-28-2006, 03:23 PM
I think both parties are okay sharing the say name. Now if both character shared the same concept and background that would be different.I agree. It's the same reason there can be two Captains called Marvel. But, man, this ain't gonna be pretty. I seem to remember an extreme reaction to a 'Bolt' that came out from a publisher awhile back.
SUPERECWFAN1
08-28-2006, 03:42 PM
Theres now gonna be a character at DC called Bombshell ? This is priceless comedy at its best. ;)
Lester C.
08-28-2006, 04:01 PM
J-bolt you are an incredible artist, whose style would easily fit into the comic book world. You only flaw is that your writing can use some polishing, which is insignificant when factored against your considerable artistic skill. Have you ever considered taking on several collaborators to strengthen the areas that you are weak in?
This business with Bombshell being stolen has made me sick to my stomach. I posted a polite inquiry to that Newsarama thread; hopefully this can be straightened out before publication.
Lester C.
08-28-2006, 04:22 PM
To be fair to Tony Daniels, Bombshell has been used to describe blond busty characters for decades now. I can even think of two other comic book characters that had that name before J-bolt invented that character six years ago.
SUPERECWFAN1
08-28-2006, 04:40 PM
This business with Bombshell being stolen has made me sick to my stomach. I posted a polite inquiry to that Newsarama thread; hopefully this can be straightened out before publication.
Are you serious ? I mean come on...its just a name. If anyone should be pissed its Marvel and Rachel Grey fans seeing as how Tony lifted some of the look from her.
Crowley
08-28-2006, 06:39 PM
This business with Bombshell being stolen has made me sick to my stomach. I posted a polite inquiry to that Newsarama thread; hopefully this can be straightened out before publication.
:rolleyes:
you are aware that the name Bombshell has been taken for MANY years right?
Bombshell is the name of Hasbro Transformer character, and a Spyboy Character:
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/b/bomshel.htm
Plus:
http://www.ukosmith.com/The%20Bombshell%20Comic.htm
but DC and Marvel both have Captain Marvels and Firestorms... so take that as you will.
MacQuarrie
08-28-2006, 07:27 PM
This business with Bombshell being stolen has made me sick to my stomach. I posted a polite inquiry to that Newsarama thread; hopefully this can be straightened out before publication.
Stolen?
That word only applies if you have some reason to believe that Geoff Johns or Tony Daniel have ever heard of J-Bolt's Bombshell. Given that "bombshell" has been a descriptive term for a voluptous blonde woman since at least the 1930s (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0023825/) (a fact acknowledged by J-Bolt himself (http://reelmind.com/asfroot/j-bolt/default.php?movie_id=&speed=&ck=577)), there is ample reason to assume that what we're looking at here is coincidental simultaneous development. It happens all the time.
In any case, there's no way that DC is going to change the character name, even if J-Bolt can show trademark registration for the name. They have a very healthy legal department.
Dark Galaxy
08-28-2006, 07:33 PM
"Young Frankenstein"?
God, the jokes will practically write themselves.
That's Fronk-en-steen.
My post to that Newsarama thread has been deleted and from what I can tell my posting ability has been removed. I'm kind of in shock - I had gone out of my way to make the post short and non-confrontational. After all these years, all the controversial threads I'd participated in over there - the notion that merely standing up for LBC, just asking whether the creators being interveiwed were familiar with the LBC Bombshell gets me banned? Wow.
SUPERECWFAN1
08-28-2006, 07:50 PM
My post to that Newsarama thread has been deleted and from what I can tell my posting ability has been removed. I'm kind of in shock - I had gone out of my way to make the post short and non-confrontational. After all these years, all the controversial threads I'd participated in over there - the notion that merely standing up for LBC, just asking whether the creators being interveiwed were familiar with the LBC Bombshell gets me banned? Wow.
I'm thinking the whole " Reputation Procedues You " applied here though. Granted I haven't seen your old replies and debating ect ect. But even though you didn't mean anything here , I'm sure it crossed their minds you were trying to start something.
It happens at times.
Crowley
08-28-2006, 07:51 PM
My post to that Newsarama thread has been deleted and from what I can tell my posting ability has been removed. I'm kind of in shock - I had gone out of my way to make the post short and non-confrontational. After all these years, all the controversial threads I'd participated in over there - the notion that merely standing up for LBC, just asking whether the creators being interveiwed were familiar with the LBC Bombshell gets me banned? Wow.
oh come on OMAR...
you're a notorious troll... you don't think they smelled that instantly?
Wingnut
08-29-2006, 03:22 AM
J-
First off, I hope you're feeling better, and your injuries are healing. I'm guessing that my back problems are not as bad as yours, but I understand from the ones I have how debilitating they can be.
As I think I said before, I'm not a comic fan. I'm here due to you. Still, from reading and seeing things here, I have a whole new respect for the art form an industry.
You asked for opinions, so I will give one. I'm not trying to be a, "basher", as you once said, but just giving an honest opinion.
Although there were problems with your earlier drawings of Bombshell, they were pretty good. I like the colored pic you use for your avatar. To me, the last b/w pic you displayed for Bombsell looks really bad. From the last couple of years of reading what you say about the comic, Bombshell is supposed to be HOT...and...as the name says, a, "Bombshell". The pic you posted here makes her look like Nicole Bass, or some other ugly roided femaile body-builder. Maybe you were trying to make her not-so-pretty to show how pissed she was. Maybe you have another reason for her look. I don't know.
All the other pics I've seen of you drawing her, (beyond any little nit-picky things I may have seen), she IS her name...explosively HOT. This last pic that you posted here not only doesn't do it for me, but REALLY turns me off.
Again, I'm an outsider here, so my opinion probably doesn't have much or any weight to it. I'm not trying to bash you...just giving you an honest opniion.
Best of luck on the comics and movie. Get well soon! I'll try to read more here after we get pounded by TS Ernesto, and get through a couple of games on our college football schedule.
Oh...and you can't spell, "scUM", w/o UM, (university of miami)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:25 AM
Yep... when broken down as the price per copy, from the 25-50,000 copies. Yes. You can get this kind of price out of almost any printer. I told you how in the other post. Just follow that and it can't fail. It never did for me.
J-:cool:
J-Bolt, could you clarify this for me please? Are you saying they'll only charge you 27 cents for each copy they make for you?
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:28 AM
There are quite a few printers that still use PageMaker, from what I've found, actually. The tiff idea is actually a good one. I had the posters printed as jpg and they came out great, but if I can get even better clarity out of printing tiff's, that would be even better.
J-:cool:
I'd say you'd be better off going with TIFFs or EPS files. Some imagesetters have problems with JPEGs colour-separating properly - most of the publications I've done ads for won't take JPEGs at all.
A lot of 'em won't take PageMaker anymore, either. But if you've got a print shop that will, no worries there. Just check it out beforehand.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:32 AM
Like I was saying, I did the poster as a high-res jpg. But I will look into the tiff files.
I usually print up my own color seps, so I don't have to worry that much about the CMYK. I learned that from the posters that came out with way too much cyan in them.
J-:cool:
J-Bolt, as Howyadoin said, you can't really use JPG's in PageMaker. The artwork should be saved as a TIFF file, the lettering in EPS. Make sure the lettering is converted to curves, or else you'll have to send the font files as well. If you do convert the lettering to curves (which I recommend), save a non-converted EPS file of the lettering just in case you need to go back in and edit. Also, if you are doing a color comic, you'll want to make sure the colors are all in CMYK. As far as I know, JPG files can only accomodate RPG colors-- which only work on computer screens. Printers cannot print from RPG colors. They'll have to convert them to CMYK, and will most likely charge you extra for doing so.
Just sayin'.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:37 AM
I'll find the file with that info for ya', then. If you print lower than 25k, it may cost a few cents more per copy, but you still can't beat that, at all. While I'm looking for it, you might want to do what I was telling you about, on faxing them to get comparitive pricing. You might even end up getting a better deal.
J-:cool:
Most of the printers I've talked to take PDFs. That's how I handle Honor Brigade and comixpress.
J-Bolt, even if that printer is in Las Vegas, I'd still use them. My current printer is in New Jersey while I'm in Chicago. I'll go where I can get the best price and that price, out of all the printers I've already talked to, is crazy. Especially on a color comic. I'd really like to contact them for a quote myself.
Of course that quote may be so low because of the absurdly huge print run. I'd be looking to print a more realistic number.
howyadoin
08-29-2006, 03:37 AM
There are quite a few printers that still use PageMaker, from what I've found, actually. The tiff idea is actually a good one. I had the posters printed as jpg and they came out great, but if I can get even better clarity out of printing tiff's, that would be even better.The thing with JPEGs is, saving them in that format can cause data loss, depending on the settings. TIFFs are generally a more lossless format. (But don't use LZW compression.)
The other thing is, a lot of imagesetters balk at JPEGs, whereas TIFFs are more universally accepted. And really, the only advantage to JPEGs is the amount of disk space they take up, and with most newer computers today, that's not much of an issue.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:41 AM
Yeah... and the printer I chose in Vegas has only 1 cent difference in price with stitching. For example, WLS#0 was chosen to be spined, instead of staples... and it only cost 1 cent more each. If you're doing spined graphic novel, higher priced comics (like WLS0 was planned on being), even 44 cents each is good, as long as the book has a cover price of over $5.
J-:cool:
If you were to use Brenner to print 25,000 copies of a 40pg color comic, with interiors on 50# white gloss, covers (color outside, b&w inside) on 70# gloss book, you'll be paying more than $0.44 per copy. You might be able to get it significantly lower if you print 50,000 copies, but nobody outside of Marvel and DC is selling those kinds of numbers. Image's top-selling book in July (Witchblade #100) sold just under 34,000 copies. Darkhorse's top-selling book (Star Wars Legacy #2) sold less than 33,500. If you are planning on selling comics outside of comic shops, where you probably won't be able to sell them on a non-returnable basis, you'll need to count on printing and distributing 3 copies for every one you sell-- which is one of the reasons why you don't see comics on newsstands anymore.
[Edited to correct grammer. Okay, and now spelling, too.]
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:47 AM
No, not a defense... I was floored that such a comment was given to me in the first place. The day I have to DEFEND my art is the day I quit. That may be what some would want, but I won't be made to be defensive about my work. I said what I did because I felt that the remark given to me was tacky and I don't want to get into another war... so, I made that statement. From now on, I won't be responding at all to statements such as that... or this one... because it goes to show that there are still some who don't like me personally and will fish to find whatever they can say to try and make me look bad. just taking pot shots at me, undeserved.
J-:cool:
that's your defense ? other people are worse than me? when someone says something like that to me when I'm giving them a portfolio review, the review is over.
that stuff is amateurish at best, and believe me, I'm holding back cause Gail asked that we keep it civil.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:52 AM
My Friend... I wish that's the feeling that was behind my work being called "fun," in that statement, but it wasn't. Considering the rest of his statement, "fun" was short for "funny," and/or "funny-looking," in my reading of it. I'm sure it does to you and others who read it open-minedly also, when you think about it. Now if he said it was "fun" without saying, before-hand, that he felt the anatomy was bad, I would've felt it to be a compliment also.
Anyway, I just wanted for everyone to get a peak at a page I'd just finished for the book and show that I'm working my ass off to get it together, so that everybody can enjoy it sooner than they had expected before the cease-fire.
J-:cool:
Dude, given the current state of comics, I think "fun" is the highest compliment anyone could give.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:55 AM
I never said that the cover and such weren't counted... I said they weren't numbered (physically) that I've ever seen.
Like I said, I'll find that file, with the printer's info, and get it up here for everyone to shoot for.
J-:cool:
that's exactly what I was about to say... when I FTP stuff for freelance clients and at DDP we NEVER use Jpegs.
CMYK 300 DPI TIFFs Embedded into Illustrator generated EPSs linked in INDESIGN files and then PDFed.
and Jbolt,
I've never heard of a print company ever not counting cover, back, IFC and IBC... or the ads. But then the 27 cent per color book rate I've also never heard of...
would love to know what printer is giving you such a great deal.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:57 AM
PRECISELY. THANK YOU, MAC.
That's exactly what I've been trying to say.
J-:cool:
I think you guys are talking about different things.
Of course the printer counts all the pages, but when comics pages are numbered, it's usually only the story pages that have visible numbers on them. J-Bolt intoends to skip the ad pages and number the story pages sequentially, using his pretty numbers that he made.
I can't remember the last time I saw a comic with page numbers, but I wish they did it more often. Many times I've read a review or an interview with an artist or a letters page in which somebody referred to a given page of a story, and I had to go back and count the pages to fine the one they were tlaking about, and it's annoying.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:02 AM
I love doing the old way stuff, too. That's why I've worked so hard to try and bring back even the old, fun, type of ads back. I got a guy that does the old science kits, except that he sells the current technology stuff, but I want all those old great ads back. I'm just working on getting the current versions of them. The Sea-monkeys are a bitch to get. I've been trying to get the people who sell the REAL x-ray specs, but it's difficult since the real ones are illegal. But, it would be fun to get it in there.
J-:cool:
Re-read you copy of Honor Brigade #1, Mac. I do page numbers.
I'm a firm believer in some of the old comic staples. Page numbers, word balloons, letter pages, and back-up stories. You'll see all of these come into play eventually in Honor Brigade.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:04 AM
I believe the same way. That's why I still use thought balloons and narrative boxes ONLY for story narration, unless it would look better in a different fashion.
J-:cool:
You're right, Tom, you did use page numbers. Now if only Marvel & DC would see the value in them.
While we're at it, how about thought balloons? I think this caption business is a poor substitute.
Does DC really think because they color the caption box blue and but Superman's logo next to it, I'm not going to realize that it's a good old fashioned thought balloon dressed up for today's snobby readers? It's a thought balloon; don't dress it up, go for it. Put the line of bubbles leading from the hero's cranium, put the text in a fluffy cloud-shaped balloon. It won't kill you.
So sue me, I'm old-school.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:09 AM
Quite a few people have their own Bombshell. For some reason, it seems like the IN thing to come up with: your own Bombshell. I've just got it as a main title character. Hell... even Transformers has a Bombshell. It doesn't worry me a bit.
J-:cool:
I don't know how to do this except to just do it. The image below has been released as part of a Newsarama interview (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/titans/TonyDaniel/Daniel.html) with Tony Daniel. These are characters that will be appearing in Teen Titans in the near future.
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/titans/TonyDaniel/Bombshell_youngfrankenstein.jpg
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:11 AM
No problem. When I first created my BombShell, nobody had one. And I wanted to create one based on a stereo-typical blond bombshell. That's why I made her to look the way she does, besides the fact that the revealing costume is a tool for her motives.
J-:cool:
I think both parties are okay sharing the say name. Now if both character shared the same concept and background that would be different.
To be honest, I like Daniel's Bombshell a whole lot better. Less is definately more in this case. She looks like a deadly piece of work as opposed to BombShell's overblown quality, no pun intended.
The BombShell design has never really appealed to me. It's sort of a 13 year old fanboy's idea of what a cool female superhero should look like. I haven't been 13 for many years.
Different tastes for different people. It's just not my taste.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:15 AM
Mark & Steph Heike made the big deal, being owners in AC Comics with their 1984 Bolt. I had the problem with them because they wanted me to drop mine in order to work for me. Once I proved that mine was copyrighted in 1981, before theirs, and refused to give mine up, they're the ones who went to the extremes. Nobody else's Bolt's nor Bombshell's are like mine and, as long as they stay that way, along with not being a main character like mine, there won't be a problem.
J-:cool:
I agree. It's the same reason there can be two Captains called Marvel. But, man, this ain't gonna be pretty. I seem to remember an extreme reaction to a 'Bolt' that came out from a publisher awhile back.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:17 AM
They already had one in a Batman Beyond episode a few years ago, from what I understand. Like I said, there's not going to be a problem as long as they don't make their's a copy of mine.
J-:cool:
Theres now gonna be a character at DC called Bombshell ? This is priceless comedy at its best. ;)
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:20 AM
Thank you for the compliments but please wait to make your opinions on my writing until WLS1 and/or BombShell1 come out, so that you can actually see my comic-writing skills. WLS0 and the Ashcan is not an example of my writing. They were long-time done experiments that didn't have the results I was hoping for.
As soon as Gail finishes the BombShell script, she can give input on my story-telling, writing ability.
By the way... I will be having more writers.
J-:cool:
J-bolt you are an incredible artist, whose style would easily fit into the comic book world. You only flaw is that your writing can use some polishing, which is insignificant when factored against your considerable artistic skill. Have you ever considered taking on several collaborators to strengthen the areas that you are weak in?
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:23 AM
Omar...
Thanks for the thoughts but remember... we haven't established that they've copied mine yet. If so, there will be trouble. In the meantime, those who came up with a Bombshell after mine only goes to show the old addage of it being a compliment that mine is good enough for everyone else to want to make their own. They just need to keep in mind that they should keep theirs way different from mine.
J-:cool:
This business with Bombshell being stolen has made me sick to my stomach. I posted a polite inquiry to that Newsarama thread; hopefully this can be straightened out before publication.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:25 AM
Actually, Lester, please remember that I created mine in 1994 and introduced her into public in 1999, 7 years ago. But, as I said before, mine was created on the busty blond bombshell aspect, at first... and the story entails that.
J-:cool:
To be fair to Tony Daniels, Bombshell has been used to describe blond busty characters for decades now. I can even think of two other comic book characters that had that name before J-bolt invented that character six years ago.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:34 AM
Well... maybe there's something to them getting the idea from me, then and did a "thou doth protest too much" thing. Remember that, when I introduced my BombShell in '99, it was a big thing that everybody was talking about because of all the controversy that came from the war that started then. If they banned you because of it and deleted the post, they just might not want people to get the sources of everything and see that mine was first big public news in '99, as I got press out to everybody about it (which, again, was what got even the negative attention on me that made the war). Don't feel bad about it... consider it a victory. Because I guarantee that people saw the post before they deleted it and have already started researching and probably even wrote them about it themselves, which would explain why they panicked and deleted it, then banned you. You made them aware that people know that the possibility exists, Man.
About 5 years ago is when I heard that DC put a Bombshell character in a Batman Beyond episode, so I left DC messages asking them about it. They refused to respond. Obviously, some nerves have been hit at DC with ALL this.
Thanks again,
J-:cool:
My post to that Newsarama thread has been deleted and from what I can tell my posting ability has been removed. I'm kind of in shock - I had gone out of my way to make the post short and non-confrontational. After all these years, all the controversial threads I'd participated in over there - the notion that merely standing up for LBC, just asking whether the creators being interveiwed were familiar with the LBC Bombshell gets me banned? Wow.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:37 AM
Wouldn't you agree that MANY people could be considered with that term for expressing THEIR opinions concerning me, my company and/or my characters? Don't judge so quickly, Man.
J-:cool:
oh come on OMAR...
you're a notorious troll... you don't think they smelled that instantly?
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:43 AM
Thanks for your well-wishes on my injuries. I've had back problems for quite a while now, and tht added injury DEFINITELY didn't help.
As for your opinion, I respect it completely. Actually, yes, I meant for her to look more intimidating than hot in that splash page and it might have even looked better if I could've gotten a better res pic of it up here, but I had MAJOR troubles getting that up.
I promise that BombShell looks better. That splash was for her opening scene, after killing 6 people and announcing, over the smouldering corpse, "by the way... my name is BombShell."
Thanks for your opinion. I do respect it completely.
J-:cool:
J-
First off, I hope you're feeling better, and your injuries are healing. I'm guessing that my back problems are not as bad as yours, but I understand from the ones I have how debilitating they can be.
As I think I said before, I'm not a comic fan. I'm here due to you. Still, from reading and seeing things here, I have a whole new respect for the art form an industry.
You asked for opinions, so I will give one. I'm not trying to be a, "basher", as you once said, but just giving an honest opinion.
Although there were problems with your earlier drawings of Bombshell, they were pretty good. I like the colored pic you use for your avatar. To me, the last b/w pic you displayed for Bombsell looks really bad. From the last couple of years of reading what you say about the comic, Bombshell is supposed to be HOT...and...as the name says, a, "Bombshell". The pic you posted here makes her look like Nicole Bass, or some other ugly roided femaile body-builder. Maybe you were trying to make her not-so-pretty to show how pissed she was. Maybe you have another reason for her look. I don't know.
All the other pics I've seen of you drawing her, (beyond any little nit-picky things I may have seen), she IS her name...explosively HOT. This last pic that you posted here not only doesn't do it for me, but REALLY turns me off.
Again, I'm an outsider here, so my opinion probably doesn't have much or any weight to it. I'm not trying to bash you...just giving you an honest opniion.
Best of luck on the comics and movie. Get well soon! I'll try to read more here after we get pounded by TS Ernesto, and get through a couple of games on our college football schedule.
Oh...and you can't spell, "scUM", w/o UM, (university of miami)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 05:10 AM
Hey Guys...
I just thought of an idea that I'm going to put into the site now. Many different character and personality sites have a gallery for people to send their own artwork, so I'm going to put one in now also. What it's for is for anyone who wants to send their own rendition of LBE characters to fangallery@lightningboltentertainment.com, I'll put it into that gallery so that everybody can see your own work. It's great for aspiring artists or pros who want their work seen, comic page or one-shot poses, or whatever. And it's just something fun to put in the site which makes it even more interactive.
I just wanted to let you know, in case any of you want to put something in there.
J-:cool:
TomStillwell
08-29-2006, 08:19 AM
In the meantime, those who came up with a Bombshell after mine only goes to show the old addage of it being a compliment that mine is good enough for everyone else to want to make their own. They just need to keep in mind that they should keep theirs way different from mine.
Well, to be realistic and fair you have to remember that 99.9% of the comic industry doesn't know you or your characters exist. It's kind of hard to imitate or even swipe anything from BombShell when they have no experience or knowledge of the character.
J-Bolt, I think you really need to sit back and take a realistic look at your situation. It seems to me you're banking a lot on the belief that the masses are waiting in anticipation for your work. In reality, few people outside of this forum even know who you are or what projects you're working on.
I say this not to tear you down. I say this out of concern for another creator setting himself up for a great fall. I don't want to see anybody put themselves in such a position, especially when a good dose of reality and more cautious planning can turn that fall into a triumph.
You have talent and drive...you just need to temper them with objectivity.
Dreadstar
08-29-2006, 09:02 AM
I just have to compliment all the folk for burying the hatchet in this thread. Believe me I appreciate it, because I don't know the last time I've been this entertained.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 09:17 AM
Tom...
I severely appreciate you being upfront with me, but I'm not being unrealistic or such. I know the majority of the comic book industry doesn't know me, but far more than you give credit for does know me.
The reason I say this is that, as everybody knows, in 1999, when I put BombShell out in the public, I went nuts on sending out press releases. I first did this for the poster and Ashcan, which comicon.com dedicated a webpage to the poster. After that, when the BombShell movie fell into my lap, and with Rena Mero's acceptance of the role in February of 2000, I went even MORE nuts in getting press releases out.
Well, the 1999 press got a lot of attention from the comic community, albeit a lot of it was negative. This is when the Warren Ellis forum, then the YABS forum and I started our 'incidents'. It was first started when Gail sent me an e-mail, letting me know about the Ellis forum and YABS cuts at me, saying that I'm a laughing stock in the comic book community. When I started responding back, trying to win everybody over, that just made it become even more prevalent.
The more I announced accomplishments with the BombShell film project, the more attention was achieved where anyone who knows anyone involved with the Ellis or YABS forums knew precisely who I am, negotiating their own opinion of the matter. Everytime I got a new cast/crew member, a rumor was e-mailed to me involving the film, or a film industry professional gave their input on the project, I added that to the available infomration super highway. The more I did this, the more people knew me.
There was a Lightning Bolt Comics fanclub in Japan started by a [then] 12 year old girl and a few others came and went over that time, since 1999. Now, if I was so unknown, this wouldn't be possible... would it?
I'm not doing any hype to you right now, being unrealistic or whatever you might have thought. I'm just explaining that I'm not being delusional, but there are plenty of people out there who know who I am, my company, and/or my company projects. I don't know how many. There's no way to know that, especially right now, but I do know that it is much more than .1% of the comic book community.
Now... since I haven't done any hype in quite a while, I'm sure most of the people who know of me have forgotten about me. After all... out of sight, out of mind. But, they'll be reminded again once this National press hits, after I get the signature of my newest cast member.
I can even guarantee that, after this announcement of the new cast member is made on TV entertainment news, there's going to be A LOT of people talking about it. I'd love to be able to tell you who it is (which, then, you'd know why it's going to be so talked about), but there are still those who would make calls, which could possibly hurt their involvement with the project. I will say that the reason it'll be so talked about is because this cast member is a VERY controversial figure who half the World absolutely, positively hates, while the other half supports him to a great level.
The best thing in the World for this new cast member is not to talk in detail about it until after the news has hit on TV. The reason for that is that those who are being open-minded with me to not make such confirming calls will automatically have it confirmed on National TV for them, by the actor personally, while those who wouldn't want it to happen wouldn't be able to make the calls that could damage it. So, please don't ask me who it is or any information about that. Just know that the actor and I will both personally be announcing it... and they're such a controversial figure that all the press wants in on the story about it, as I was straight out asked by the first one immediately upon getting this actor's contact information (they called immediately to ask me to let them know the minute the actor signs on so that they can get the first crack at an interview with us). I can't say which National TV news that is for the same reasons I can't say who the actor is.
So anyway, you can understand that I'm not being delusional or such. What I've just reminded you about, here, should explain my responses.
Thanks,
J-:cool:
Well, to be realistic and fair you have to remember that 99.9% of the comic industry doesn't know you or your characters exist. It's kind of hard to imitate or even swipe anything from BombShell when they have no experience or knowledge of the character.
J-Bolt, I think you really need to sit back and take a realistic look at your situation. It seems to me you're banking a lot on the belief that the masses are waiting in anticipation for your work. In reality, few people outside of this forum even know who you are or what projects you're working on.
I say this not to tear you down. I say this out of concern for another creator setting himself up for a great fall. I don't want to see anybody put themselves in such a position, especially when a good dose of reality and more cautious planning can turn that fall into a triumph.
You have talent and drive...you just need to temper them with objectivity.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 09:19 AM
Hopefully, that is a GOOD entertainment value.
J-:rolleyes:
I just have to compliment all the folk for burying the hatchet in this thread. Believe me I appreciate it, because I don't know the last time I've been this entertained.
TomStillwell
08-29-2006, 09:33 AM
So anyway, you can understand that I'm not being delusional or such. What I've just reminded you about, here, should explain my responses.
No, actually you just confirmed the delusional nature of your claims. Nothing you just said has any basis in reality as far as anyone knows. None of it can be backed up with actual facts. They are just things you say to be true.
I'm thinking about starting a poll on my myspace page. Among my friends network are some pretty important people in comics: Best selling writers, fan favorite artists, publishers, editors, and media. These are all people in the know of what's going on in comics.
I'll ask them just one question and see what they say.
Who is J-Bolt?
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 09:40 AM
OK... tell me exactly what parts of that last post you find not to have any actual facts, and are delusional. And I'll do my best to prove them to you. Most of those things, involving the forums, can be backed up by Mac, Gail and anyone else who has been on this since its beginning.
As for your poll... that would be a great idea. It'll give an idea of what people know right now.
J-:)
No, actually you just confirmed the delusional nature of your claims. Nothing you just said has any basis in reality as far as anyone knows. None of it can be backed up with actual facts. They are just things you say to be true.
I'm thinking about starting a poll on my myspace page. Among my friends network are some pretty important people in comics: Best selling writers, fan favorite artists, publishers, editors, and media. These are all people in the know of what's going on in comics.
I'll ask them just one question and see what they say.
Who is J-Bolt?
Dreadstar
08-29-2006, 09:51 AM
Hopefully, that is a GOOD entertainment value.
It's free, therefore it's great value. Anything that entertains me is "good," by definition. But that's not important, just an observation.
Any ballpark timeframe on this national TV announcement?
Crowley
08-29-2006, 09:53 AM
J-bolt,
I'm in my office right now and I asked them if they've heard of you... this is ten dudes who currently work in comics.
they all said no.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 09:58 AM
All I can say is as soon as the actor signs, I'm supposed to call 'em and it'll get scheduled. Obviously, there's no way to know when they'll sign.
J-:cool:
It's free, therefore it's great value. Anything that entertains me is "good," by definition. But that's not important, just an observation.
Any ballpark timeframe on this national TV announcement?
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:00 AM
That's 10 down... 10 million more to go.:cool:
J-bolt,
I'm in my office right now and I asked them if they've heard of you... this is ten dudes who currently work in comics.
they all said no.
Matt Algren
08-29-2006, 10:07 AM
All I can say is as soon as the actor signs, I'm supposed to call 'em and it'll get scheduled. Obviously, there's no way to know when they'll sign.
J-:cool:
Kathy Griffin IS Bombshell!!!
http://www.kathygriffin.net/pics/2pic3.gif
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:13 AM
That's too funny:D
Kathy Griffin IS Bombshell!!!
http://www.kathygriffin.net/pics/2pic3.gif
TomStillwell
08-29-2006, 10:20 AM
The reason I say this is that, as everybody knows, in 1999, when I put BombShell out in the public, I went nuts on sending out press releases. I first did this for the poster and Ashcan, which comicon.com dedicated a webpage to the poster. After that, when the BombShell movie fell into my lap, and with Rena Mero's acceptance of the role in February of 2000, I went even MORE nuts in getting press releases out.
Can you prove that anyone took these press releases seriously? Anyone can send out press releases. That doesn't make them news people care about. Can you show us that these press releases gained any interest?
There was a Lightning Bolt Comics fanclub in Japan started by a [then] 12 year old girl and a few others came and went over that time, since 1999. Now, if I was so unknown, this wouldn't be possible... would it?
Can you prove that any of these clubs existed or do still exist?
Everytime I got a new cast/crew member, a rumor was e-mailed to me involving the film, or a film industry professional gave their input on the project, I added that to the available infomration super highway. The more I did this, the more people knew me.
Can you prove this? Which film professionals were/are you involved with?
The more I announced accomplishments with the BombShell film project, the more attention was achieved where anyone who knows anyone involved with the Ellis or YABS forums knew precisely who I am, negotiating their own opinion of the matter.
Can you prove that people actually knew about or even cared about BombShell, a movie that to date years later, hasn't been filmed? Can you prove that people who actually do know about the movie ever believe it will be filmed given various claims by you that have been found to be untrue concerning the project?
There's no way to know that, especially right now, but I do know that it is much more than .1% of the comic book community.
How do you know this? You've displayed often that you're out of touch with the comic book industry. What makes you believe this?
I can even guarantee that, after this announcement of the new cast member is made on TV entertainment news, there's going to be A LOT of people talking about it.
How can you guarantee this? Is this again based on the assumption people are anxiously awaiting BombShell news or even know about the film?
that all the press wants in on the story about it, as I was straight out asked by the first one immediately upon getting this actor's contact information (they called immediately to ask me to let them know the minute the actor signs on so that they can get the first crack at an interview with us).
Can you prove any part of this claim?
I have a feeling none of this questions will be answered but you said to go ahead and ask.
Crowley
08-29-2006, 10:35 AM
yeah I mean honestly Jbolt...
I've got my name in maybe 100 comics in the past year, I've also had my name on a few illustrations in two anthologies in the last year...
and I'm certain I'm not remotely on Marvel or DC's radar.
you're saying that you are after an ashcan 5 years ago?
seems unlikely man.
Dreadstar
08-29-2006, 11:21 AM
All I can say is as soon as the actor signs, I'm supposed to call 'em and it'll get scheduled. Obviously, there's no way to know when they'll sign.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as is customary.
Lacking a significant signing and viable press release, I'll change my tune on September 1st, 2007.
A year is more than generous.
howyadoin
08-29-2006, 11:43 AM
Kathy Griffin IS Bombshell!!!
http://www.kathygriffin.net/pics/2pic3.gifShame about her face.
Dreadstar
08-29-2006, 11:55 AM
Shame about her face.
Dude, you keep those paper grocery bags for a reason, y'know?
Crowley
08-29-2006, 05:31 PM
No, not a defense... I was floored that such a comment was given to me in the first place. The day I have to DEFEND my art is the day I quit. That may be what some would want, but I won't be made to be defensive about my work. I said what I did because I felt that the remark given to me was tacky and I don't want to get into another war... so, I made that statement. From now on, I won't be responding at all to statements such as that... or this one... because it goes to show that there are still some who don't like me personally and will fish to find whatever they can say to try and make me look bad. just taking pot shots at me, undeserved.
J-:cool:
that's ridiculous... if you can't recognize that your work lack basic proportion and anatomy then I really can't help you man.
Yep... when broken down as the price per copy, from the 25-50,000 copies. Yes. You can get this kind of price out of almost any printer. I told you how in the other post. Just follow that and it can't fail. It never did for me.
I find this HIGHLY dubious. If such a deal on printing exists the company I work for would be on it... as would Dark Horse, Marvel and DC.
the average comic costs 2.99 and we're to believe that you've found a way to narrow production cost to about 1/6?
HIGHLY unlikely.
My Friend... I wish that's the feeling that was behind my work being called "fun," in that statement, but it wasn't. Considering the rest of his statement, "fun" was short for "funny," and/or "funny-looking," in my reading of it. I'm sure it does to you and others who read it open-minedly also, when you think about it. Now if he said it was "fun" without saying, before-hand, that he felt the anatomy was bad, I would've felt it to be a compliment also.
Anyway, I just wanted for everyone to get a peak at a page I'd just finished for the book and show that I'm working my ass off to get it together, so that everybody can enjoy it sooner than they had expected before the cease-fire.
you ANATOMY IS OFF! As is your Proportion!
This is NOT a bash! It's constructive criticism!
After I graduated art school, I went back to basics months later and went back to life drawing class to sharpen my skills:
http://www.crowleyart.net/gallery/albums/sketchbook/Jackie.sized.jpg
that sketch in the left hand corner is my instructor and I readjusted what needed to be corrected in the drawing.
NONE of us are perfect... Constructive criticism is the tool to LEARN and GROW.
"Fun" is a compliment... regardless of your skill, you seem to at least take some joy in doing it. That shines through the bad anatomy, proportions and compositions... but you need MAJOR work!
Wouldn't you agree that MANY people could be considered with that term for expressing THEIR opinions concerning me, my company and/or my characters? Don't judge so quickly, Man.
J-:cool:
What company? It's just you dude.
and as I said people here aren't trashing you or trolling you... they're calling you on what appears to be BS.
Lester C.
08-29-2006, 05:54 PM
Whoohooo......I was getting withdrawl symptoms!
I'm off to re-read the Ashcan!!! (http://www.lightning-bolt-comics.com/Comics/Ashcan/WLS0ashcan1.html)
That post is over two years old J-bolt. If you don't mind me asking what happened that saw such a huge delay?
Clement
08-29-2006, 08:23 PM
No, not a defense... I was floored that such a comment was given to me in the first place. The day I have to DEFEND my art is the day I quit. That may be what some would want, but I won't be made to be defensive about my work. I said what I did because I felt that the remark given to me was tacky and I don't want to get into another war... so, I made that statement. From now on, I won't be responding at all to statements such as that... or this one... because it goes to show that there are still some who don't like me personally and will fish to find whatever they can say to try and make me look bad. just taking pot shots at me, undeserved.
J-:cool:
You were FLOORED? Man, how out of touch with reality are you exactly? And I'm not even talking about your fictionnal companies and all those insane conspiracies about people trying to bring the j-bolt down.
You are simply not a professionnal level comic book artist artist. It's as simple as that.
You wanna put out your own comic with your own money, more power to you, but let's keep this shit semi-real.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:04 PM
Now, anyone who has had to do with the subject of 'J-Bolt' on YABS for the past 6 years or so, can answer most of these questions. Hell, even somoene who has paid attention to THIS string of posts for the past MONTH can answer a few of them. I'll answer as many of these as is humorous for what was earlier described as "entertainment value," but then I'm going to go by what I've just noticed and reduce my visits to this forum because I'm noticing that no matter what changes I've made to accomodate people, there are still those that just don't remember what was said by members of YABS or anything else. It appears that too many people just live for the moment on J-Bolt opinions, forgetting what they, their friends on this board, or I have said, since all this started, and since the cease-fire. Obviously, I just need to work and stop trying to prove myself as genuine to people who will never appreciate, nor remember it.
Can you prove that anyone took these press releases seriously? Anyone can send out press releases. That doesn't make them news people care about. Can you show us that these press releases gained any interest?
You can certainly see that the press releases got attention with YABS and the Ellis forum, otherwise all this wouldn't have been taking place for the past 6+ years.
Can you prove that any of these clubs existed or do still exist?
I told you that the Japan fan site closed down quite a while ago. I haven't done any searches to see if there are any new ones and I don't care to. As I stated, since I've been 'out of sight, out of mind,' I'm sure qite a few fans have forgotten about me as a fad of the time, until I give something new, which the news about the new cast member will give. Until then, I'm sure that 90% of any conversation about me, my company, or my projects are done in these forums.
Can you prove this? Which film professionals were/are you involved with?
I've already clearly stated that I'm not going to give names of people involved with the film, except for those who it is publicly known have given such credit, for the reason of people who would start the calls again. Otherwise, you can get confirmation by looking at what caused this cease-fire, when it was established by my former publicist, Judith Moose, that what I've said is true, as well as Jackson Bostwick briefly confirming his involvement in the film.
Can you prove that people actually knew about or even cared about BombShell, a movie that to date years later, hasn't been filmed? Can you prove that people who actually do know about the movie ever believe it will be filmed given various claims by you that have been found to be untrue concerning the project?
It's also been established that I cannot provide the LOI's or LOC's of the cast/crew involved in the film because of iron-clad Confidentiality Clauses. That would be the only way to prove who is attached to the film.
By the way, as I've said repeatedly, and cannot be disputed, I've shown that I am indeed making a film, and getting the money together myself, just short of the last $100,000, while DC, Marvel, and others have never been disputed, like I have been (and am being here again) when they've had ample availability to ALL resources to make a film, especially the funds to do so, without having to drum up investors, and yet still take 10 years and more to get a film out... if at all. In that respect, can you prove that DC/Warner Bros. is truly making a Wonder Woman movie, for example? They've talked about it and given SEVERAL DIFFERENT casting of the actresses for the lead role over the past 10 years alone. Yet... they never show anything except new casting for the role again and again... and I HAVE.
How do you know this? You've displayed often that you're out of touch with the comic book industry. What makes you believe this?
Because of the word generated about me, showing me to even be INfamous with boards like this and the Ellis forum. By the way... I've NEVER displayed that I'm out of touch with the comic book industry. I've said that I have my own ways of doing things, so anything that doesn't apply to what choose to do, I don't know about because I don't plan on using it.
How can you guarantee this? Is this again based on the assumption people are anxiously awaiting BombShell news or even know about the film?
For one, people DO know about the film and that's been long established, but the main reason is because as I've CLEARLY said, this actor is an extremely controversial figure who is clamored upon everytime they address the National entertainment press.
Can you prove any part of this claim?
I just did. Others such as Mac and Gail can back most of it up, except for that which Mac understands, that I cannot disclose proof that is backed up with Confidentiality Clauses.
I have a feeling none of this questions will be answered but you said to go ahead and ask.
Yet again... you're proven wrong here, too.
MacQuarrie
08-29-2006, 10:10 PM
OK... tell me exactly what parts of that last post you find not to have any actual facts, and are delusional. And I'll do my best to prove them to you. Most of those things, involving the forums, can be backed up by Mac, Gail and anyone else who has been on this since its beginning.
You rang?
Okay, a fair and balanced, honest examination of J-Bolt's claims:
severely appreciate you being upfront with me, but I'm not being unrealistic or such. I know the majority of the comic book industry doesn't know me, but far more than you give credit for does know me.
If we accept the dictum that "all publicity is good publicity," then there are many people who know of you or have heard of you. They may not remember your name or the name of your comic company and characters, but they have heard of you. Either here or at the Ellis or Millar forums, or a few other forums, blogs, pages, whatever. Some have heard about you in conversation at conventions. I can't say how much of this discussion is flattering, but if all you want is your name mentioned, that has happened. I'm not sure how that translates to sales, but that's a different question.
The reason I say this is that, as everybody knows, in 1999, when I put BombShell out in the public, I went nuts on sending out press releases. I first did this for the poster and Ashcan, which comicon.com dedicated a webpage to the poster. After that, when the BombShell movie fell into my lap, and with Rena Mero's acceptance of the role in February of 2000, I went even MORE nuts in getting press releases out.
"Everybody" meaning everybody here. I didn't see or hear anything in the news or even at fan-centric sites like AICN. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means I didn't see it.
You mentioned before that comicon.com awarded your poster the "Notoriety award." Notoriety is generally accepted to mean less-than-flattering attention, as when Omar was recently labeled a "notorious troll." In other words, the mention at Comicon may not be a positive one. I didn't see it or read what they wrote, so I can't really say, I'm just going by the title you described.
Also, Comicon.com is not associated or affiliated with any of the major comics conventions; it's just another comics site like CBR, so their "award" doesn't really carry a lot of weight.
Well, the 1999 press got a lot of attention from the comic community, albeit a lot of it was negative. This is when the Warren Ellis forum, then the YABS forum and I started our 'incidents'. It was first started when Gail sent me an e-mail, letting me know about the Ellis forum and YABS cuts at me, saying that I'm a laughing stock in the comic book community. When I started responding back, trying to win everybody over, that just made it become even more prevalent.
Before you started trying to win everybody over, you got pretty defensive. (To be expected, but anyway... ) You did at one point try to make peace (I mean before this time), but it didn't last long, mostly due to relentless challenges from the likes of me.
The more I announced accomplishments with the BombShell film project, the more attention was achieved where anyone who knows anyone involved with the Ellis or YABS forums knew precisely who I am, negotiating their own opinion of the matter. Everytime I got a new cast/crew member, a rumor was e-mailed to me involving the film, or a film industry professional gave their input on the project, I added that to the available infomration super highway. The more I did this, the more people knew me.
The total membership of the YABS and Ellis forums combined would not fill a theater for a single screening. There were at the most another dozen or so people posting at IMDB, and if you subtract all the sock-puppets, maybe another five or six people on your old Bravenet forums. The truth of the matter is that over the last five years, maybe a few thousand people have read about you online. When I was working on Ken Kreagen's "The Power to Win" infomercial for his "Life is a Contact Sport" book and seminars, he told me that people need to hear about something at least three times in a short period of time from three different sources before it registers with them and makes an impression. The number of people who may have read about you at YABS AND seen your website AND read your profile at IMDB is an exceptionally small number of people.
I'm not arguing with you about how much exposure you've had, I'm questioning how effective it's been.
There was a Lightning Bolt Comics fanclub in Japan started by a [then] 12 year old girl and a few others came and went over that time, since 1999. Now, if I was so unknown, this wouldn't be possible... would it?
Fan club or fan page? There is a difference. Fan clubs have members, meetings, newsletters, events, and so on. Fan pages are something one can
throw together in half an hour and post, and they may not always be serious. For example, over at Monkey Spit, we posted a fake fanpage for Felix Silla (http://www.monkeyspit.com/sites/fansite/), the actor who played Twiki on Buck Rogers and Cousin Itt on the Addams Family. The page is clearly a gag, making fun of some of the more pathetic sites out there... but I got e-mail from Silla's neice thanking us for putting up a fan page. Don't get me wrong, I am a Felix Silla fan, but we really picked him for his obscurity, not his fame. The fan club you mentioned may have been genuine. I don't know. I've never seen it. You say it was there, and I accept that. I disagree with you as to its importance or impact.
... to be continued...
MacQuarrie
08-29-2006, 10:11 PM
... part deux....
I'm not doing any hype to you right now, being unrealistic or whatever you might have thought. I'm just explaining that I'm not being delusional, but there are plenty of people out there who know who I am, my company, and/or my company projects. I don't know how many. There's no way to know that, especially right now, but I do know that it is much more than .1% of the comic book community.
When you say "comic book community" do you mean fans, fans who post online (half the US is still not on the net), comics pros, or fans and pros combined? As far as I can tell, J-Bolt, Bombshell and Lightning Bolt Comics are only known online. The mainstream media barely covers comics stories at all, so if there had been any mention of you or your projects over the last 5 years, you would have mentioned it on your site, as you did the one article about Adam West that mentioned Bombshell. Since you haven't mentioned them, I think it's safe to say that they haven't happened. So only people online know about you. Not all comics fans go to comics sites. I know a lot who don't, including people who work at or own comics shops. In other words, not all the comics fans and pros who are online (50%) actually follow any comics news online. Conservatively speaking, maybe half the comics people online ever visit any comics sites. So 25% of the audience has even had the opportunity to hear of you. Of those, maybe 10% happened to visit a site that mentioned you and read the article. In other words, a generous estimate is that under the best of circumstances, maybe 2.5% of comics readers have ever had a chance to hear of you.
That's not a criticism of you, just pure math. Fact is, CBR has had user registration for about 5 years or so, and they still have fewer than 20,000 members, many of whom never return after their first visit.
Even so, if every comics reader in the US went to see your movie, it would still be a flop if it didn't bring in the mainstream audience. There's apaprently no buzz out there to make that happen. Almost all your publicity is within the comics community.
Now... since I haven't done any hype in quite a while, I'm sure most of the people who know of me have forgotten about me. After all... out of sight, out of mind. But, they'll be reminded again once this National press hits, after I get the signature of my newest cast member.
There's really not much of a National press anymore, what with cable and satellite fracturing the audience. It used to be that everybody watched Walter Cronkite and everybody heard Rona Barrett's entertainment reports, but it ain't that way anymore. Even if you were on Entertainment Tonight and in People magazine, you still wouldn't have "national" press.We don't all watch or read the same thing anymore.
I can even guarantee that, after this announcement of the new cast member is made on TV entertainment news, there's going to be A LOT of people talking about it. I'd love to be able to tell you who it is (which, then, you'd know why it's going to be so talked about), but there are still those who would make calls, which could possibly hurt their involvement with the project. I will say that the reason it'll be so talked about is because this cast member is a VERY controversial figure who half the World absolutely, positively hates, while the other half supports him to a great level.
Making calls is what's supposed to happen. If you signed, say, Harrison Ford to a role, his agent's phone would ring for a week solid with people calling to ask questions or schedule interviews. That's part of the publicity machine.
But anyway, you can't guarantee publicity. You can send out press releases all you want, but you can't make the papers run them. you can hope for it, but anything can happen. By the time the news gets out, your star may have fallen out of favor.
The best thing in the World for this new cast member is not to talk in detail about it until after the news has hit on TV. The reason for that is that those who are being open-minded with me to not make such confirming calls will automatically have it confirmed on National TV for them, by the actor personally, while those who wouldn't want it to happen wouldn't be able to make the calls that could damage it.
Obviously. That's what you should do with all your cast and crew.
So, please don't ask me who it is or any information about that. Just know that the actor and I will both personally be announcing it... and they're such a controversial figure that all the press wants in on the story about it, as I was straight out asked by the first one immediately upon getting this actor's contact information (they called immediately to ask me to let them know the minute the actor signs on so that they can get the first crack at an interview with us). I can't say which National TV news that is for the same reasons I can't say who the actor is.
You lost me. How did this national news person find out that you had contacted the actor in question? Are you saying that this news person is the one who gave you the contact information? I'm confused.
Anyway, long and short of it, the stuff you mentioned that happened in the past actually happened, but I disagree with you as to the importance or value of most of it. But that's a matter of opinion, not of fact. The stuff that's happening now or to happen in the future, I'll take your word for. I'm not going to call anybody or try to prove or disprove anything. Whatever happens will happen.
I will say that you have a much better chance of getting your movie produced and shown if you have a finished comic to put in their hands at the beginning. Movie people are frequently stupid and don't understand ideas, but they do understand things they can hold in their hand. Handing a producer a comic and saying "here's my story, and people bought it" will get you a lot further down the road than any pitch or presentation will.
TomStillwell
08-29-2006, 10:15 PM
But you didn't prove anything.
Most of it is just claims you've made that we're supposed to take at face value despite the fact that you have been caught in falsehoods before.
The rest is just stuff you won't comment on because of supposed confidentiality.
In that respect, can you prove that DC/Warner Bros. is truly making a Wonder Woman movie, for example? They've talked about it and given SEVERAL DIFFERENT casting of the actresses for the lead role over the past 10 years alone. Yet... they never show anything except new casting for the role again and again... and I HAVE.
Joss Whedon just finished the screenplay. I tend to trust Joss since he's an accomplished writer and director with a long list of credits. I know that he gets stuff done.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:16 PM
yeah I mean honestly Jbolt...
I've got my name in maybe 100 comics in the past year, I've also had my name on a few illustrations in two anthologies in the last year...
and I'm certain I'm not remotely on Marvel or DC's radar.
you're saying that you are after an ashcan 5 years ago?
seems unlikely man.
No... I'm saying that there is a remote possibility, which I feel exists because of coincidents that have come about. Either that or there is such a strong coincidental, mystical fate in the air that everybody decided to create a character named Bombshell in the past few years. It could happen. Yeah... that's it! We must've all called Dion Warwick's old Psychic Friends Hotline Network recording and gotten the same message... "create a character called Bombshell."
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:18 PM
Fair enough.
J-:cool:
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as is customary.
Lacking a significant signing and viable press release, I'll change my tune on September 1st, 2007.
A year is more than generous.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:20 PM
Whatever.
Cute sketch, by the way.
that's ridiculous... if you can't recognize that your work lack basic proportion and anatomy then I really can't help you man.
I find this HIGHLY dubious. If such a deal on printing exists the company I work for would be on it... as would Dark Horse, Marvel and DC.
the average comic costs 2.99 and we're to believe that you've found a way to narrow production cost to about 1/6?
HIGHLY unlikely.
you ANATOMY IS OFF! As is your Proportion!
This is NOT a bash! It's constructive criticism!
After I graduated art school, I went back to basics months later and went back to life drawing class to sharpen my skills:
http://www.crowleyart.net/gallery/albums/sketchbook/Jackie.sized.jpg
that sketch in the left hand corner is my instructor and I readjusted what needed to be corrected in the drawing.
NONE of us are perfect... Constructive criticism is the tool to LEARN and GROW.
"Fun" is a compliment... regardless of your skill, you seem to at least take some joy in doing it. That shines through the bad anatomy, proportions and compositions... but you need MAJOR work!
What company? It's just you dude.
and as I said people here aren't trashing you or trolling you... they're calling you on what appears to be BS.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:23 PM
Simply put... money. That's why it's in the budget from the funds for the film production that publication will begin also. Besides that, I plan movies and comics to coincide with endings, so it has worked out for the best, anyway.
That post is over two years old J-bolt. If you don't mind me asking what happened that saw such a huge delay?
TomStillwell
08-29-2006, 10:29 PM
I've said that I have my own ways of doing things, so anything that doesn't apply to what choose to do, I don't know about because I don't plan on using it.
How do you plan on not using something you don't know about? Wouldn't it make more sense to know everything and then decide given all the information?
Crowley
08-29-2006, 10:33 PM
honestly at this point I give up...
I actually feel bad for you Fisher... You seem to have the dream, but you're BSing us again.
you toss out a print quote like that and think no one will smell something fishy?
sorry man, I fold.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:35 PM
Like I said... here I've been more INFAMOUS than anything, but nonetheless, I've been a hobby to people on here for a LONG time.
I never said anything about getting an award on comicon.com, that I remember. I said that they dedicated a webpage to the poster and I announced that in the press releases. What was said was all complimentary... not a put-down or such.
Yes, "everybody" refers mostly to people here.
There were no "sock puppets" on the LBC or LBE forums, My Friend. All favoring posts were from real people.
As for the fan site, It was more than one page and apparently, had more than one member. I was in contact with the little girl that created it, after she e-mailed me to let me know she created it, putting out little newsletters and different things she did. I don't know how many other people were members of this thing, though I remember the number was quite small, and she was constantly working on recruiting more members. She used to e-mail me quite a few times per week to tell me these things. I was just complimented by the site and amazed that I was known by ANYONE all the way in Japan. She told me that a couple of the stories done on me, in 1987 and 1989, were shown out there and that's when she became a fan. The news companies told me they were "satelliting" the stories out... I just never knew they'd be doing so Internationally.
J-:cool:
You rang?
Okay, a fair and balanced, honest examination of J-Bolt's claims:
If we accept the dictum that "all publicity is good publicity," then there are many people who know of you or have heard of you. They may not remember your name or the name of your comic company and characters, but they have heard of you. Either here or at the Ellis or Millar forums, or a few other forums, blogs, pages, whatever. Some have heard about you in conversation at conventions. I can't say how much of this discussion is flattering, but if all you want is your name mentioned, that has happened. I'm not sure how that translates to sales, but that's a different question.
"Everybody" meaning everybody here. I didn't see or hear anything in the news or even at fan-centric sites like AICN. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means I didn't see it.
You mentioned before that comicon.com awarded your poster the "Notoriety award." Notoriety is generally accepted to mean less-than-flattering attention, as when Omar was recently labeled a "notorious troll." In other words, the mention at Comicon may not be a positive one. I didn't see it or read what they wrote, so I can't really say, I'm just going by the title you described.
Also, Comicon.com is not associated or affiliated with any of the major comics conventions; it's just another comics site like CBR, so their "award" doesn't really carry a lot of weight.
Before you started trying to win everybody over, you got pretty defensive. (To be expected, but anyway... ) You did at one point try to make peace (I mean before this time), but it didn't last long, mostly due to relentless challenges from the likes of me.
The total membership of the YABS and Ellis forums combined would not fill a theater for a single screening. There were at the most another dozen or so people posting at IMDB, and if you subtract all the sock-puppets, maybe another five or six people on your old Bravenet forums. The truth of the matter is that over the last five years, maybe a few thousand people have read about you online. When I was working on Ken Kreagen's "The Power to Win" infomercial for his "Life is a Contact Sport" book and seminars, he told me that people need to hear about something at least three times in a short period of time from three different sources before it registers with them and makes an impression. The number of people who may have read about you at YABS AND seen your website AND read your profile at IMDB is an exceptionally small number of people.
I'm not arguing with you about how much exposure you've had, I'm questioning how effective it's been.
Fan club or fan page? There is a difference. Fan clubs have members, meetings, newsletters, events, and so on. Fan pages are something one can
throw together in half an hour and post, and they may not always be serious. For example, over at Monkey Spit, we posted a fake fanpage for Felix Silla (http://www.monkeyspit.com/sites/fansite/), the actor who played Twiki on Buck Rogers and Cousin Itt on the Addams Family. The page is clearly a gag, making fun of some of the more pathetic sites out there... but I got e-mail from Silla's neice thanking us for putting up a fan page. Don't get me wrong, I am a Felix Silla fan, but we really picked him for his obscurity, not his fame. The fan club you mentioned may have been genuine. I don't know. I've never seen it. You say it was there, and I accept that. I disagree with you as to its importance or impact.
... to be continued...
Crowley
08-29-2006, 10:40 PM
Yeah, I hear the trolley... do the rest of you?
http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/09/28/inside-dvd-mrrogers2.jpg
http://www.holgatetoy.com/images/Trolley_Book-large.jpg
MacQuarrie
08-29-2006, 10:41 PM
There were no "sock puppets" on the LBC or LBE forums, My Friend. All favoring posts were from real people.
When I referred to sock puppets, I was referring to me (GeekFest, Prospero, Miranda, and sometimes Caliban, among others), Loren (Ariel), and a couple of other guys here who were posting there. Somebody took over Caliban and ran with him as I recall, and there were a few others.
The people favoring you, I'll take your word for.
curefreak
08-29-2006, 10:41 PM
until just now i didnt even know who j bolt was but i kept hearing his name on the yabs forum.... needless to say if youre spending all youre time on here trying to prove to people that youre movie is getting made then youre just delusional.
of course if you do get it made youll have proof and then you can flaunt youre nose at us all you want.
kmeyers
08-29-2006, 10:45 PM
Whatever.
Cute sketch, by the way.
Are you fucking crazy?
because I hear you talking about some sort of comic book, and what-not...but I've seen 1, yeah 1, pretty sub-par drawing of your lead character. and this "cute sketch" is miles better than the drawing I saw of yours.
Why can't we see more of your art? surely if you are planning on releasing a comic book soon, you have much more art to show.
I know I do...and I don't even have a comic book in the works...but maybe I should tell everyone I do.
MacQuarrie
08-29-2006, 10:48 PM
Are you fucking crazy?
because I hear you talking about some sort of comic book, and what-not...but I've seen 1, yeah 1, pretty sub-par drawing of your lead character. and this "cute sketch" is miles better than the drawing I saw of yours.
Why can't we see more of your art? surely if you are planning on releasing a comic book soon, you have much more art to show.
I know I do...and I don't even have a comic book in the works...but maybe I should tell everyone I do.
Go to http://www.lightningboltentertainment.com and look in the gallery and also check out the ashcan. There are a lot of samples of J-Bolt's work.
kmeyers
08-29-2006, 10:49 PM
Go to http://www.lightningboltentertainment.com and look in the gallery and also check out the ashcan. There are a lot of samples of J-Bolt's work.
Thanks, but the link isn't working.
edit...nevermind, there it goes.
aw...I have to register? I feel so dirty.
SUPERECWFAN1
08-29-2006, 10:52 PM
When I referred to sock puppets, I was referring to me (GeekFest, Prospero, Miranda, and sometimes Caliban, among others), Loren (Ariel), and a couple of other guys here who were posting there. Somebody took over Caliban and ran with him as I recall, and there were a few others.
The people favoring you, I'll take your word for.
God the IMDB thing...I remember that . It seems so long ago.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:59 PM
I mean a mixture of everybody. Since 99% of the news stories done on me were done so in Vegas, quite a few people know me there. And then the rest is the math as you put it. Either way, it's much more than the .1% that was said.
There is enough buzz out there to make the movie known with film industry professionals. Once the National press comes out about this new cast member, it will be on a lot of people's lips because everybody in this country has a strong opinion about this actor. With them getting this current role, there will be buzz with everybody, including people slamming me, more than ever, for casting them... but that's only half of the people who will be talking about the actor. The other half will be overly supportive just because of the first half that will hate it. I can't explain the exact reasons without saying who that actor is, and you know why I can't say that. Any calls made to them now, by people other than those who want a TV, newspaper, etc. interview with them could damage it... especially since there are still some here who mock me and what I do, taking pleasure at throwing whatever possible monkey wrenches they can into the works. I'm going to make sure that doesn't happen. Once the press comes out, nobody will be able to negatively affect their involvement.
The company that the National news show is affiliated with gave me the actor's contact information because SAG didn't have their current info. I found that to be greatly common with actors, as several of them change agents and other reps quite a few times per year and even SAG has trouble keeping up with it.
Now, as far as getting my film produced, that's in the bag, because I'm producing it myself, with Jackson and Stuart Raffill credited as Co-Executive Producer, whereas he told me to use his name in that regard, besides as director, so that I have his powerful name behind whatever I need to accomplish. When I was first first working on the film, I was going have somebody else produce it, and Jaki Baskow found plenty of studios interested in doing so (all of this has been again backed up by Judith Moose and any info I'm giving you here, which you haven't heard before, can also be backed up by her), but I didn't agree with how they wanted to do the film. That's when I came up with the term "Hollywoodize," because that's what I felt they wanted to do with it. So, I decided to produce it myself and that pissed Jaki off, especially since she had herself lined up to have a producer credit with whichever studio took it. Since I did not bend to what she wanted, and insisted on producing the film myself, she and I had the falling out where it was decided to break off our professional relationship.
I already have the funds waiting to make the film, held for me by a top investment firm, but I need the last $100,000 for the due-diligence fees and all the other legal fees associated with getting the funds from the firm. I'm sorry but I can't give that firm's name for the same reason that I can't give the other names: someone will end up calling them and possibly damaging them from doing business with me, causing me to have to go back to the drawing board to get ALL the funds yet again.
J-:cool:
... part deux....
When you say "comic book community" do you mean fans, fans who post online (half the US is still not on the net), comics pros, or fans and pros combined? As far as I can tell, J-Bolt, Bombshell and Lightning Bolt Comics are only known online. The mainstream media barely covers comics stories at all, so if there had been any mention of you or your projects over the last 5 years, you would have mentioned it on your site, as you did the one article about Adam West that mentioned Bombshell. Since you haven't mentioned them, I think it's safe to say that they haven't happened. So only people online know about you. Not all comics fans go to comics sites. I know a lot who don't, including people who work at or own comics shops. In other words, not all the comics fans and pros who are online (50%) actually follow any comics news online. Conservatively speaking, maybe half the comics people online ever visit any comics sites. So 25% of the audience has even had the opportunity to hear of you. Of those, maybe 10% happened to visit a site that mentioned you and read the article. In other words, a generous estimate is that under the best of circumstances, maybe 2.5% of comics readers have ever had a chance to hear of you.
That's not a criticism of you, just pure math. Fact is, CBR has had user registration for about 5 years or so, and they still have fewer than 20,000 members, many of whom never return after their first visit.
Even so, if every comics reader in the US went to see your movie, it would still be a flop if it didn't bring in the mainstream audience. There's apaprently no buzz out there to make that happen. Almost all your publicity is within the comics community.
There's really not much of a National press anymore, what with cable and satellite fracturing the audience. It used to be that everybody watched Walter Cronkite and everybody heard Rona Barrett's entertainment reports, but it ain't that way anymore. Even if you were on Entertainment Tonight and in People magazine, you still wouldn't have "national" press.We don't all watch or read the same thing anymore.
Making calls is what's supposed to happen. If you signed, say, Harrison Ford to a role, his agent's phone would ring for a week solid with people calling to ask questions or schedule interviews. That's part of the publicity machine.
But anyway, you can't guarantee publicity. You can send out press releases all you want, but you can't make the papers run them. you can hope for it, but anything can happen. By the time the news gets out, your star may have fallen out of favor.
Obviously. That's what you should do with all your cast and crew.
You lost me. How did this national news person find out that you had contacted the actor in question? Are you saying that this news person is the one who gave you the contact information? I'm confused.
Anyway, long and short of it, the stuff you mentioned that happened in the past actually happened, but I disagree with you as to the importance or value of most of it. But that's a matter of opinion, not of fact. The stuff that's happening now or to happen in the future, I'll take your word for. I'm not going to call anybody or try to prove or disprove anything. Whatever happens will happen.
I will say that you have a much better chance of getting your movie produced and shown if you have a finished comic to put in their hands at the beginning. Movie people are frequently stupid and don't understand ideas, but they do understand things they can hold in their hand. Handing a producer a comic and saying "here's my story, and people bought it" will get you a lot further down the road than any pitch or presentation will.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 11:00 PM
Cool avatar, Man!
J-:cool:
Thanks, but the link isn't working.
edit...nevermind, there it goes.
aw...I have to register? I feel so dirty.
Crowley
08-29-2006, 11:02 PM
I mean a mixture of everybody. Since 99% of the news stories done on me were done so in Vegas, quite a few people know me there. And then the rest is the math as you put it. Either way, it's much more than the .1% that was said.
There is enough buzz out there to make the movie known with film industry professionals. Once the National press comes out about this new cast member, it will be on a lot of people's lips because everybody in this country has a strong opinion about this actor. With them getting this current role, there will be buzz with everybody, including people slamming me, more than ever, for casting them... but that's only half of the people who will be talking about the actor. The other half will be overly supportive just because of the first half that will hate it. I can't explain the exact reasons without saying who that actor is, and you know why I can't say that. Any calls made to them now, by people other than those who want a TV, newspaper, etc. interview with them could damage it... especially since there are still some here who mock me and what I do, taking pleasure at throwing whatever possible monkey wrenches they can into the works. I'm going to make sure that doesn't happen. Once the press comes out, nobody will be able to negatively affect their involvement.
The company that the National news show is affiliated with gave me the actor's contact information because SAG didn't have their current info. I found that to be greatly common with actors, as several of them change agents and other reps quite a few times per year and even SAG has trouble keeping up with it.
Now, as far as getting my film produced, that's in the bag, because I'm producing it myself, with Jackson and Stuart Raffill credited as Co-Executive Producer, whereas he told me to use his name in that regard, besides as director, so that I have his powerful name behind whatever I need to accomplish. When I was first first working on the film, I was going have somebody else produce it, and Jaki Baskow found plenty of studios interested in doing so (all of this has been again backed up by Judith Moose and any info I'm giving you here, which you haven't heard before, can also be backed up by her), but I didn't agree with how they wanted to do the film. That's when I came up with the term "Hollywoodize," because that's what I felt they wanted to do with it. So, I decided to produce it myself and that pissed Jaki off, especially since she had herself lined up to have a producer credit with whichever studio took it. Since I did not bend to what she wanted, and insisted on producing the film myself, she and I had the falling out where it was decided to break off our professional relationship.
I already have the funds waiting to make the film, held for me by a top investment firm, but I need the last $100,000 for the due-diligence fees and all the other legal fees associated with getting the funds from the firm. I'm sorry but I can't give that firm's name for the same reason that I can't give the other names: someone will end up calling them and possibly damaging them from doing business with me, causing me to have to go back to the drawing board to get ALL the funds yet again.
J-:cool:
WHAT?!?!
I mean honestly do you think ANYONE buys this?
Gail Simone
08-29-2006, 11:13 PM
oh come on OMAR...
you're a notorious troll... you don't think they smelled that instantly?
He's right, Omar. Acting innocent looks foolish on you. You've strived to be the biggest troll on the internet for years, your endless attacks on John Byrne make the Yabs' obsession with J-bolt look tame, and then you come and pretend to be the wounded party?
Come on, I don't dislike you and I've stuck up for you a dozen times, but you're making my stomach flip with that 'poor innocent Omar' nonsense. It's practically ALL you're remembered for by anyone, and you damn well know it. If people on the net know you at all, it's as a troll.
Gail
Josh S
08-29-2006, 11:37 PM
What does "ashcan" mean?
curefreak
08-29-2006, 11:37 PM
He's right, Omar. Acting innocent looks foolish on you. You've strived to be the biggest troll on the internet for years, your endless attacks on John Byrne make the Yabs' obsession with J-bolt look tame, and then you come and pretend to be the wounded party?
Come on, I don't dislike you and I've stuck up for you a dozen times, but you're making my stomach flip with that 'poor innocent Omar' nonsense. It's practically ALL you're remembered for by anyone, and you damn well know it. If people on the net know you at all, it's as a troll.
Gailyou're up pretty late gail ...insomnia perchance?
curefreak
08-29-2006, 11:38 PM
What does "ashcan" mean?apparently its a comic that was made but never published and done only to hold a copyright.
(it doesnt make much sense to me )
SUPERECWFAN1
08-29-2006, 11:43 PM
I mean this as an honest observer per say. Not to be mean J-Bolt .
A few pages back you detailed that you were finishing a Vamperla pic for someone and that would get your money you needed. But if your having trouble luring the final 100 G's for this film , how can you do the comics ?
Is the Vamp pic your doing going towards the movie or the comics ? Because I really can't see someone putting that much money into a personal drawing if thats the case.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 11:54 PM
Mac has already confirmed everything, so to call me a liar is to call him a liar... and I KNOW you don't want to do that. Mac is my friend, I trust him, and will show HIM, along with the others who have a longer open-minded memory span than a housefly's life, that I am backing up my claims with actions.
As for the WW film. Sure... they say Joss Whedon has given them a script. According to them, several others have also given scripts before... yet, we've still to see it on the screen. And even if Joss has given them a script that they're finally going to use, why is it that you're not doubting them for taking so, freaking, long to get the movie even into pre-production, when they have NO excuse not to? We're talking TEN YEARS, MAN... probably more. That's just the timeline that I've kept up on in comic magazines, then the Internet. And there are several other projects from them, Marvel, McFarlane, and others that I can ask the same question that you should be asking, instead of giving ME the Spanish Inquisition.
I've had mine in pre-production for only 6 years and I've accomplished more in that time than they have with theirs, after 10 years. But... I HAVE an excuse for taking so long: I don't have the financial resources they do. They don't have ANY excuses for taking the time they have to get their projects out, if they do at all. Then again... I'm sure you'll FIND an excuse for them... won't you?
I don't believe in procrastination, as most of Hollywood does. When I want a certain actor, production staff, whatever... I IMMEDIATELY do what I can to acquire it. If I can't accomplish that, I'll find another way, or another entity I want involved... and I won't waste time in doing so. The ONLY thing that has gotten in my way is the fact that I don't have ample availability of funds. If I did, BombShell would've been out in theaters 4 or 5 years ago and I'd be working on a sequal (granted if this first film goes over with the audience, as I plan).
But... they all have access to EVERYTHING they need, want, or could use to make any film... yet, they don't. Why??? And why is it that I'm the one being chastized for what I don't have immediately available, but never quit on acquiring, but you're not on DC or Warner Bros.' sites asking them all these questions and trying to back them in a corner when they have NO reason NOT to get it done, without such idiotic pussy-footing around?
How about YOU answer this question for me? I've answered your questions, and I didn't need to. I should be working, but instead, I'm here trying to show that I'm working my freakin' ASS off to get my film, comics, etc. out with nothing but my own efforts, drive and knowledge (which I DO go to find out whatever it is I don't know, but need, everytime something crosses my desk that deserves it)... and yet you're just taking for granted that you're sure they have their reasons for taking 10 years to even do ONE film, that doesn't have to do with Batman or Superman! Hell... they're GODS... right? They can't do any wrong??? Guess what... there's NEVER an excuse NOT to get a film project out that people want to see when you have all available resources to do so. That's not fair to the fans... and it's not fair to those of us who do our damndest to get our projects out, not having the resources they do... yet, I've made more progress than they have and won't stop working on completing it.
I didn't prove anything??? BULL!!! I've proven a helluva lot more than they have, or you, because I'm not giving excuses... I'm just working to get this project going using anything I can honestly muster. If you or anyone else feels that what I'm doing isn't enough or honest or whatever... you're an idiot because you should be giving this crap to those who DON'T have any reason not to get their media out without any delays.
The thing is... I'm sure this isn't sinking in to you or the other few who are still wanting the freakin' witch-hunt. You probably still have your nose so far up DC, Marvel, McFarlane, etc.'s ass to think that they could EVER not be doing what they say, no matter that they keep giving you lines of b.s. that now, Lindsay Lohan is doing the role, or maybe Charisma Carpenter, but a couple years ago, it was Sarah Michelle Gellar, or maybe somebody else... 2 years before that, it was Lucy Lawless, or maybe Chyna... on and on and on... and more people have supposedly submitted a script that they're "considering" than the members of this board. And this is just for ONE, SINGLE movie that they should have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER to get done... but after 10 years, they still don't even know who will play it. Yet, you'll believe whatever they say, when they say it.
Like I said, that's just one movie mentioned. How about questioning why DC plans on making a Flash movie and how they expect to do so with a 2006 release date, when there's only 4 months left in the year? And why Flash???
How about asking why McFarlane has promised a Spawn 2 for 9 years and his latest claim is that he's going to do another part 1 [AGAIN!] by HIMSELF, for only $10million... and not part 2?
How about asking Marvel about not getting their Black Panther movie out MANY years ago, even though Wesley Snipes wanted to do it for them, before Blade, then they scrapped it, bringing it back & forth over the many years, and now are talking about doing it yet AGAIN? They don't even have to do anything for it, since Wesley wants so badly to do it, finance it, cast it and everything else... and has volunteered to do so since it was first brought up?
Why aren't you nailing any of these? I could go on and on with projects that they ALL were supposed to have been doing for the past several years, yet you'll believe anything they say... but you go after me with the torches and pitchforks!
Next month, you won't even remember, AGAIN, all I've said, all anybody has said or proven about me, or even the thrashing anybody has given me, just so you can do it again, then... huh?
Well... I'm not buying into it anymore. I'm sure you'll reply back to this post, all DC/Marvel/McFarlane brown-nosed and everything... but, I just don't damnded-well care anymore. It's no longer important to me because I've proven my case and I'm tired of trying to sway your opinions or whatever about me. I'm trying to prove myself to an unimportant minority, when those who are important here are giving me the chance to do my work, and I should just have been focusing on that, and stop wasting my precious work time by arguing with you and the few others here, who have your comicdom butt-kissing mastered.
I've just wasted so much time, effort and energy on trying to prove myself to a few insignificant people who will never be convinced. For that, I'm a freakin' moron.
That is all changed as of now. I'm sure I've pissed you off, as well as those other few who still hate me no matter what... and I'll never change that, even when I succeed at my work. But, in the immortal words of the great Jack Nicholson: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!"
But you didn't prove anything.
Most of it is just claims you've made that we're supposed to take at face value despite the fact that you have been caught in falsehoods before.
The rest is just stuff you won't comment on because of supposed confidentiality.
Joss Whedon just finished the screenplay. I tend to trust Joss since he's an accomplished writer and director with a long list of credits. I know that he gets stuff done.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 11:58 PM
Thanks, Mac... and I apologize for the "sock puppet" misunderstanding.
J-:cool:
When I referred to sock puppets, I was referring to me (GeekFest, Prospero, Miranda, and sometimes Caliban, among others), Loren (Ariel), and a couple of other guys here who were posting there. Somebody took over Caliban and ran with him as I recall, and there were a few others.
The people favoring you, I'll take your word for.
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 12:01 AM
Thanks again, Mac.
I've always loved when somebody makes such vulgar statements without researching what they're talking about.
J-:rolleyes:
Go to http://www.lightningboltentertainment.com and look in the gallery and also check out the ashcan. There are a lot of samples of J-Bolt's work.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 12:09 AM
you know theres always therapy if things dont work out....
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 12:13 AM
This is a major painting I'm doing. On top of that, I'm doing the other freelance artwork, plus working on the LBE comics, plus the movie, etc. Once the painting is finished, I'll be in the position of getting the funds needed. It'll take 3 - 4 months for the due diligence process, to get the production funds. In that time, I'll be publishing and won't have to be doing freelance art, since I'll have the comics income.
This client and I go way back and he's been interested in my project for quite some time. He's a Vampirella fan and came up with the scheme to have me do the painting for the money needed (his way of seeing just how dedicated I am to my work, I guess). He likes the project and knows what money can be made from it.
So, I'm doing all this to get the funds from him or anyone else who will come about even before him. Een if somebody else did come forth with the 100G's, I'll still finish his painting as we've been friends for too long for me to just ditch it and him. He's a great businessman, a big comics fan, and a friend/fan of my work. The combination of all that is how our arrangment came to be. I just started on his painting last week and hope to have it completed this week, then we'll see what happens.
J-:)
I mean this as an honest observer per say. Not to be mean J-Bolt .
A few pages back you detailed that you were finishing a Vamperla pic for someone and that would get your money you needed. But if your having trouble luring the final 100 G's for this film , how can you do the comics ?
Is the Vamp pic your doing going towards the movie or the comics ? Because I really can't see someone putting that much money into a personal drawing if thats the case.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 12:20 AM
This is a major painting I'm doing. On top of that, I'm doing the other freelance artwork, plus working on the LBE comics, plus the movie, etc. Once the painting is finished, I'll be in the position of getting the funds needed. It'll take 3 - 4 months for the due diligence process, to get the production funds. In that time, I'll be publishing and won't have to be doing freelance art, since I'll have the comics income.
This client and I go way back and he's been interested in my project for quite some time. He's a Vampirella fan and came up with the scheme to have me do the painting for the money needed (his way of seeing just how dedicated I am to my work, I guess). He likes the project and knows what money can be made from it.
So, I'm doing all this to get the funds from him or anyone else who will come about even before him. Een if somebody else did come forth with the 100G's, I'll still finish his painting as we've been friends for too long for me to just ditch it and him. He's a great businessman, a big comics fan, and a friend/fan of my work. The combination of all that is how our arrangment came to be. I just started on his painting last week and hope to have it completed this week, then we'll see what happens.
J-:)show dont tell...
Josh S
08-30-2006, 12:24 AM
225 pages
The mind boggles.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 12:29 AM
225 pages
The mind boggles.
i concur its outrageous.
kmeyers
08-30-2006, 12:30 AM
show dont tell...
that's what I'm asking as well.
Why is this thread not littered with awesome J-bolt drawings and splash pages?
kmeyers
08-30-2006, 12:32 AM
Cool avatar, Man!
J-:cool:
Thanks, I'd love to see more of your artwork, though. I can't get behind this whole thing, when I have no idea what you're doing.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 12:32 AM
that's what I'm asking as well.
Why is this thread not littered with awesome J-bolt drawings and splash pages?
well he does seem to have an ashcan comic for whatever thats worth...
Josh S
08-30-2006, 12:34 AM
Thanks, I'd love to see more of your artwork, though. I can't get behind this whole thing, when I have no idea what you're doing.
From what I can tell this thread is pretty much what he's doing.
kmeyers
08-30-2006, 12:35 AM
well he does seem to have an ashcan comic for whatever thats worth...
I have no idea what that is, and I have to register to see it, so it's out of my way. why can't I see a splashpage...or cover posted here, to entice me?
curefreak
08-30-2006, 12:38 AM
I have no idea what that is, and I have to register to see it, so it's out of my way. why can't I see a splashpage...or cover posted here, to entice me?
ive seen it (glanced at it really) its very superheroy sort of silver agey in some respects but updated.
the art was nice i didnt really read the words cause i couldnt get the zoom button right.
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 12:51 AM
Because I'm hoping you'll visit the LBE site often to see the "drawings and splash pages" there and keep tabs on it so that you'll always see new stuff. I don't just sit around and say "hey, I'm a comic book artist/publisher" without having SOMETHING to show for it. And before a remark is made about the "publisher" part, since I do have comic work published on the site... that makes me a "publisher," by at the very least TECHNICAL terms. Having hard-copy production of the poster and the first Ashcan makes me a publisher beyond technicality.
In short, I put as much on the LBE site as possible so that you can see my work along with the work of others who work for me. I'm also considering putting work in the Fan Gallery of submissions that have been sent to me, but I think you guys' opinion would be important on if I should really do that.
J-:cool:
that's what I'm asking as well.
Why is this thread not littered with awesome J-bolt drawings and splash pages?
howyadoin
08-30-2006, 12:53 AM
I'm also considering putting work in the Fan Gallery of submissions that have been sent to me, but I think you guys' opinion would be important on if I should really do that.Well, it could be... educational.
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 12:58 AM
Then, just register on my company site and you'll be able to see it in there. It doesn't cost anything to register as a general member... it only does to see the online comic books. And even that is a 1-time fee, which Shelly and I are setting up how the best possible way to do that will be. Meanwhile, a simple PayPal payment will work, as that's what I'd like to arrange for membership payments, but I'm waiting on Shelly's brilliance to come up with what the final best conclusion would be for that. But, there's PLENTY to see in the general art Galleries, while waiting for us to set that up.
Don't be shy... just register. There's no harm in doing so, ya' know.
When I saw your avatar, I thought it was great how you manipulated the picture. I have 3 different Green Lantern rings so I kinda' wondered if you just dubbed one in or are wearing an actual ring that you added the SFX to.
J-:cool:
Thanks, I'd love to see more of your artwork, though. I can't get behind this whole thing, when I have no idea what you're doing.
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 01:01 AM
Although there are some LBE art pieces here, there are also some of my freelance pieces on previous pages of this thread... not too far back, I believe.
Meanwhile... why not register? What's stopping you from doing something that's free to do?
I have no idea what that is, and I have to register to see it, so it's out of my way. why can't I see a splashpage...or cover posted here, to entice me?
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 01:07 AM
My work has greatly evolved from most of the art in the Ashcan, which promoted When Lightning Strikes #0.
Tell you what... you tell me how to get a HIGH-res comic page on here, guys, and I'll put up some more of the B&W BombShell comic art pages here, for all to see. I'm having too much trouble with that and that's why the page 9 looked so crappy on here: because I could only get up a low-res version. I can't figure out what's different from when I put up the freelance art pix, since those were higher res than the BombShell page 9 I was trying to get in.
J-:cool:
ive seen it (glanced at it really) its very superheroy sort of silver agey in some respects but updated.
the art was nice i didnt really read the words cause i couldnt get the zoom button right.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 01:25 AM
My work has greatly evolved from most of the art in the Ashcan, which promoted When Lightning Strikes #0.
Tell you what... you tell me how to get a HIGH-res comic page on here, guys, and I'll put up some more of the B&W BombShell comic art pages here, for all to see. I'm having too much trouble with that and that's why the page 9 looked so crappy on here: because I could only get up a low-res version. I can't figure out what's different from when I put up the freelance art pix, since those were higher res than the BombShell page 9 I was trying to get in.
J-:cool:
the question im wondering is why do you care so much about what we think? i think you should spend more time on youre work and less time convincing people of it.
i think you will find it to be more productive in the end.
MacQuarrie
08-30-2006, 02:01 AM
Now, as far as getting my film produced, that's in the bag, because I'm producing it myself, with Jackson and Stuart Raffill credited as Co-Executive Producer, whereas he told me to use his name in that regard, besides as director, so that I have his powerful name behind whatever I need to accomplish. When I was first first working on the film, I was going have somebody else produce it, and Jaki Baskow found plenty of studios interested in doing so (all of this has been again backed up by Judith Moose and any info I'm giving you here, which you haven't heard before, can also be backed up by her), but I didn't agree with how they wanted to do the film. That's when I came up with the term "Hollywoodize," because that's what I felt they wanted to do with it. So, I decided to produce it myself and that pissed Jaki off, especially since she had herself lined up to have a producer credit with whichever studio took it. Since I did not bend to what she wanted, and insisted on producing the film myself, she and I had the falling out where it was decided to break off our professional relationship.
You know I'm not going to confirm anything you claim Jaki said, because my conversation with her was very different from the one you described. But I'm not going to rehash that now, because it's your word against mine and there's no way to prove it short of dragging her back into the situation. She made it pretty clear that she'd like to stay out of it, as did Judith.
If anyone is considering contacting either of these women for confirmation, please don't. They don't want to be involved in any online disputes over a project with which they are not involved over a person they no longer represent. Let's just take J-Bolt's word for it for now.
MacQuarrie
08-30-2006, 02:06 AM
My work has greatly evolved from most of the art in the Ashcan, which promoted When Lightning Strikes #0.
Tell you what... you tell me how to get a HIGH-res comic page on here, guys, and I'll put up some more of the B&W BombShell comic art pages here, for all to see. I'm having too much trouble with that and that's why the page 9 looked so crappy on here: because I could only get up a low-res version. I can't figure out what's different from when I put up the freelance art pix, since those were higher res than the BombShell page 9 I was trying to get in.
J-:cool:
You can't. There are file size limitations here, so you can't attach large files.
What you CAN do is upload the pictures to someplace like Photobucket, or to a directory at your webspace that's publicly accessible, then link to them using the IMG tag.
If you click on the little picture of a mountain in the toolbar it'll create the code for you. It looks like this (use straight brackets instead of curly ones):
{img}http://www.yourdomain.com/pictures/page1.jpg{/IMG}
That's all there is to it.
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 04:15 AM
My Friend... I wish that's the feeling that was behind my work being called "fun," in that statement, but it wasn't. Considering the rest of his statement, "fun" was short for "funny," and/or "funny-looking," in my reading of it. I'm sure it does to you and others who read it open-minedly also, when you think about it. Now if he said it was "fun" without saying, before-hand, that he felt the anatomy was bad, I would've felt it to be a compliment also.
Anyway, I just wanted for everyone to get a peak at a page I'd just finished for the book and show that I'm working my ass off to get it together, so that everybody can enjoy it sooner than they had expected before the cease-fire.
J-:cool:
I guess I don't see 'fun' as an automatic insult, even in the context provided. I've written some pretty dark stuff, and I still would be complimented by someone calling it 'fun.'
Not trying to argue, just saying my two cents.
Gail
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 04:19 AM
Quite a few people have their own Bombshell. For some reason, it seems like the IN thing to come up with: your own Bombshell. I've just got it as a main title character. Hell... even Transformers has a Bombshell. It doesn't worry me a bit.
J-:cool:
I think that's the correct attitude to have. It happens. It's almost never intentional.
Gail
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 04:52 AM
Well... maybe there's something to them getting the idea from me, then and did a "thou doth protest too much" thing. Remember that, when I introduced my BombShell in '99, it was a big thing that everybody was talking about because of all the controversy that came from the war that started then. If they banned you because of it and deleted the post, they just might not want people to get the sources of everything and see that mine was first big public news in '99, as I got press out to everybody about it (which, again, was what got even the negative attention on me that made the war). Don't feel bad about it... consider it a victory. Because I guarantee that people saw the post before they deleted it and have already started researching and probably even wrote them about it themselves, which would explain why they panicked and deleted it, then banned you. You made them aware that people know that the possibility exists, Man.
About 5 years ago is when I heard that DC put a Bombshell character in a Batman Beyond episode, so I left DC messages asking them about it. They refused to respond. Obviously, some nerves have been hit at DC with ALL this.
Thanks again,
J-:cool:
I can personally guarantee you DC doesn't feel that way, J-Bolt.
You have to produce work to show them that you do, that's the solution. Remember, we went round about this a long time ago, you telling everyone that DC and Marvel were trying to shut you down. It's a ridiculous claim. I was and remain very good friends with Mike Carlin, Joe Quesada and Dan DiDio, and none of them had a clue who you are or what LBE is, not a fricking clue. If they were worried about competition, which they aren't, not when between them they own over 80% of total comics sold in America, they certainly wouldn't be threatened by a company that hasn't sold a single comic in a comic book store.
I'm IN this field, these people are friends of mine, and you have to be realistic. No 'nerves have been hit' at DC. Why would they even know? Trust me, I've been at these high level meetings and even MARVEL is barely mentioned, let alone a company with 0.0% of the market.
This is what I was trying to tell you a while back...there has never, not once, been a story about you in any recognized comics press...not CBG, not Wizard, nor any other legitimate comics magazine or trade. Your work has never appeared in the Diamond solicitations. You've never had even a mention in a news story on Pulse or Newsarama. Like it or not, THESE (and not some newspaper in Vegas) are THE sources for comics news. Even doing a variety of websearches reveals almost no mention, certainly no positive mention, of your or LBC for ages and ages. How in the world is anyone supposed to know about your hard work?
I am NOT BASHING. I am trying to convey that comics companies do not work like you seem to think they do, and I'm sorry, J-Bolt, but I actually HAVE worked for DC, Marvel, Bongo, Top Cow, Dark Horse, Oni, and many other companies. No amount of talk is going to change it--your experience is 100% hypothetical, and I absolutely guarantee you, no one at DC or Marvel is shaking about some comic that MAY come out or a movie that MAY get made. That's just not how it goes. The very idea is silly.
The sole reason I bring this up is because I have been wondering why you haven't tried to take advantage of some of these outlets. Newsarama and Pulse are THRILLED to spotlight new publishers, Wizard loves to publish movie tie-in news, CBG has a lot of pages to fill each month, etc. etc.
I once sent you a list of contacts I thought might be able to help a little bit, everything from Newsarama to TV Guide. Even if you felt that these people might be friends of mine or whatever, I still think it's a good idea. These are proven forums to create industry buzz and best of all, they're free.
If a single story about your poster did so much so many years ago, that's great, why not replicate that success with some more up-to-date stories that show your current level of artistic skill? I imagine that they would be well-received and could easily get you the buzz and boost that you're looking for. A single Newsarama story could put LBE on the map more than just about anything else, including five years of the website. I honestly think, with your current art, you could really make a positive strike for LBE and pick up a lot of interest. I admit, I'm not crazy about that last black and white piece, but I do think a lot of the more recent stuff is really great and would go well with a story about you and your movie-making efforts. It costs you nothing, takes very little time, and the rewards could be great. I hope you'd consider it.
Here, here are two addys to get started with:
Matt Brady, at Newsarama.com, THE source for news about comics for the entire industry:
mbrady669@aol.com
Jen Contino, runs comicon.pulse, probably the most new publisher friendly news site going:
jencomx3@aol.com
Ben Morse, a great resource at the industry's leading journal, Wizard:
bmorse@wizarduniverse.com
These people have no particular loyalty to me, their loyalties lie with the companies they work for and they're all tops at their job. Why not drop them a line with some of your current art and some information for the newbie about your company? It can't hurt and could only help and every one of them is as fair and square as you can possibly get.
I know some of this sounds a bit harsh, J-bolt, but I ONLY SAY IT BECAUSE I DO CARE. I hate to see you missing out on an easy, free method of promoting your work that will be a thousand times more effective than posts on IMDB. These stories could lead back to your website and who knows what that could lead to?
Sincerely, I hope you'll consider it. And I hope you drop this X-Files notion that DC and Marvel know what's going on at LBE. It's simply not credible.
SINCERELY best wishes,
Gail
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 04:59 AM
That's three addys, obviously.
I'm still jet-lagged from the Texas appearances. :)
Gail
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 05:03 AM
By the way, I thought this was a very nice piece on your site, J-bolt.
http://www.lightningboltentertainment.com/article.php?story=christopher_reeve
I couldn't agree more.
Gail
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 05:11 AM
Wouldn't you agree that MANY people could be considered with that term for expressing THEIR opinions concerning me, my company and/or my characters? Don't judge so quickly, Man.
J-:cool:
J-bolt, I'm sorry, you're wrong here. Omar is literally THE most well-known and despised troll in comics. That's why most of us believe his nice act here is fake. Ask any net-savvy pro, and if they know him at all, it's for his trollism.
I'm not exaggerating here. For a while, he was the most widely-hated poster in comics, and his list of grotesque behaviors is pretty legendary. If you knew his history, I think you'd be surprised.
I've given him a chance here because he's not displaying his past behavior, but he's an utter hypocrite in defending you, because he's a tireless basher of John Byrne and others elsewhere. I know he's being nice to you, but really, ask some pros about him. If they know him at all, it's as a complete and utter scumbag. Go to comicon.com/panels and ask about his behavior. They'll give you an earful, I assure you.
Gail
Typo Lad
08-30-2006, 05:14 AM
I thought MoTa was the most well known?
Cam63
08-30-2006, 05:20 AM
What Gail said.
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 05:22 AM
"There was a Lightning Bolt Comics fanclub in Japan started by a [then] 12 year old girl and a few others came and went over that time, since 1999. Now, if I was so unknown, this wouldn't be possible... would it?"
I submit that none of that was ever verified, ever, J-Bolt. Repeatedly you've said this, and yet there's never, not once, been a link posted and no net search reveals any such thing. The closest is a Japanese website with outdated data about the Bombshell movie.
Post a link, a name, ANYTHING, please. Really. We want to believe this claim. Why not just post a link or a name so it can be proven once and for all? No one's going to bash anyone. But you've said this so many times and yet never once shown as simple a thing as a link or address.
Surely that's a simple request?
Gail
Cam63
08-30-2006, 05:26 AM
...and while you're at it, find a reason why polar bears fall out of gum trees.
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 05:27 AM
I thought MoTa was the most well known?
At CBR and Newsarama, possibly. But for years, the undisputed most hated poster in comics was without question Omar, who will admit it himself if he's being honest. He recently claimed that if his real name were ever published it would be a gargantuan earthquake on the net because of the people who loathe him.
I'm not picking on him, he knows full well this is true. He's the gold standard by which trolls in comics are judged. Which is why I don't believe his 'nice' act, here, and never will.
Gail
Cam63
08-30-2006, 05:31 AM
I was almost fooled when he cuddled a kitten.
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 05:34 AM
I can even guarantee that, after this announcement of the new cast member is made on TV entertainment news, there's going to be A LOT of people talking about it. I'd love to be able to tell you who it is (which, then, you'd know why it's going to be so talked about), but there are still those who would make calls, which could possibly hurt their involvement with the project. I will say that the reason it'll be so talked about is because this cast member is a VERY controversial figure who half the World absolutely, positively hates, while the other half supports him to a great level.
The best thing in the World for this new cast member is not to talk in detail about it until after the news has hit on TV. The reason for that is that those who are being open-minded with me to not make such confirming calls will automatically have it confirmed on National TV for them, by the actor personally, while those who wouldn't want it to happen wouldn't be able to make the calls that could damage it. So, please don't ask me who it is or any information about that. Just know that the actor and I will both personally be announcing it... and they're such a controversial figure that all the press wants in on the story about it, as I was straight out asked by the first one immediately upon getting this actor's contact information (they called immediately to ask me to let them know the minute the actor signs on so that they can get the first crack at an interview with us). I can't say which National TV news that is for the same reasons I can't say who the actor is.
So anyway, you can understand that I'm not being delusional or such. What I've just reminded you about, here, should explain my responses.
Thanks,
J-:cool:
Fair enough!
Gail
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 05:55 AM
"By the way, as I've said repeatedly, and cannot be disputed, I've shown that I am indeed making a film, and getting the money together myself, just short of the last $100,000, while DC, Marvel, and others have never been disputed, like I have been (and am being here again) when they've had ample availability to ALL resources to make a film, especially the funds to do so, without having to drum up investors, and yet still take 10 years and more to get a film out... if at all. In that respect, can you prove that DC/Warner Bros. is truly making a Wonder Woman movie, for example? They've talked about it and given SEVERAL DIFFERENT casting of the actresses for the lead role over the past 10 years alone. Yet... they never show anything except new casting for the role again and again... and I HAVE."
Again, this is apples and oranges. DC and Marvel have had dozens of movies and Joss Whedon is attached to Wonder Woman, and he's also made tons of film. You haven't.
It's not really an apt comparison.
Look, I admit this stuff bugs me, these claims without evidence. HOWEVER, I understand if you're holding off talking about someone you're hoping to sign. That's perfectly valid. I understand about LOI's and NDA's. I've signed a few myself. I don't see any reason to criticize you for that.
And yes, there was a lot of buzz after those first 'press releases,' but to be honest, J-bolt, I and every other pro get ten of those a week or more. I wouldn't think of the response as positive, but you might disagree.
Gail
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 06:07 AM
"I've NEVER displayed that I'm out of touch with the comic book industry."
That's not true, J-Bolt. I can name half a dozen things you've said that have zero basis in reality regarding comics and how they're published at this time. Not knowing who Quebecor is, for example, is just bizarre. It's like being a director and not knowing who Kodak is. Not knowing that DC used to have its own presses and stopped using them because they were unprofitable. Not knowing who Warren Ellis is. Not knowing what the sales are for mid-line comics. This stuff is EXTREMELY out-of-touch, and those are just a few examples.
Listen, no one expects you to know everything. But for pete's sake, the people here who actually WORK IN COMICS know what it really entails. Tom, for example, knows the ins and outs very well, and I certainly know, after 150 or so published scripts with virtually every major company, how these books are published, produced and marketed.
You don't have to be an expert on EVERYTHING. None of us are claiming to be experts. But you are, and that grates a little.
On a lot of this thread you've been very open and I appreciate that, but "I KNOW ABOUT COMICS!" isn't proof that you actually KNOW about comics. And a lot of what you're saying is just not current.
Again, I'm catching up on a lot on this thread and there's a lot of positive stuff. You seem much more open to listening to people who have experience in specialized areas in comics, and that's great. Your art seems to have improved a lot and that's great.
I get that it's not fun that some people are still skeptical, but when you make these claims (that, I'm sorry, are often just flat out incorrect) about comics and how they're made, to people who ACTUALLY MAKE COMICS, it's a little silly.
I believe you'll make a comic. I believe it'll be a great learning experience and I hope it's a big success. But man, at conventions, people would kill to get inside info from experienced professionals. I see it every con I go to, self-publishers pumping pros for info, so they don't make costly mistakes.
That's what I'd do, certainly!
Again, just my two cents.
Gail
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 06:21 AM
Because I'm hoping you'll visit the LBE site often to see the "drawings and splash pages" there and keep tabs on it so that you'll always see new stuff. I don't just sit around and say "hey, I'm a comic book artist/publisher" without having SOMETHING to show for it. And before a remark is made about the "publisher" part, since I do have comic work published on the site... that makes me a "publisher," by at the very least TECHNICAL terms. Having hard-copy production of the poster and the first Ashcan makes me a publisher beyond technicality.
In short, I put as much on the LBE site as possible so that you can see my work along with the work of others who work for me. I'm also considering putting work in the Fan Gallery of submissions that have been sent to me, but I think you guys' opinion would be important on if I should really do that.
J-:cool:
I agree with all of this, to be honest. I don't think an ashcan and a poster is a comics company by any stretch of the imagination. Every convention I go to I'm handed dozens of posters and ashcans and mini-comics. Dozens. I know some pros who don't even carry them home but throw them out on the spot when they get back to their hotel.
BUT, it's still publishing and that makes J-Bolt a publisher, AND a published writer/artist. I don't see why anyone would dispute it.
Gail
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 06:28 AM
Oh, and finally...you know, I wonder if an LBE blog might not be a bad idea? It seems to me that Myspace and the blogoverse might be a great way to get the LBE message out. You could post your thoughts on the blog and the LBE site (which is much improved, good work to you and Sk both) at the same time?
Really, myspace might be the place where LBE could MOST prosper.
Just a thought.
gail
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 06:30 AM
Oh, and about the 'experts' post above...
Listen, it's nothing to be ashamed of. I know a lot about comics and the companies that produce them, but I know very little about how to draw (which you do) and how to work computers (which you also do). That's why when I have to ask about those things, I am perfectly willing to make a fool of myself asking too many questions. :)
Best of luck,
Gail
Typo Lad
08-30-2006, 06:35 AM
In the interest of helping, I would like to present an invaluable resource for J-Bolt (and anyone else who is interested) to check out.
It’s a web site called Creating Comics (http://members.shaw.ca/creatingcomics/)
When I was a wee lad of eighteen and founded my comic book studio (of blessed memory), this was the site that helped me round out my comic book knowledge. It has links to articles on just about every aspect of comic book creation.
As gail points out, not everyone can be an expert in everything, but this site certainly helps round out one’s knowledge.
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 06:42 AM
Anyway, enough controversy. Here's a serious question for ya, J, if you don't mind.
Did the Pink Ranger (forget her name...is it Amy Jo something?) ever get back to you? I always thought she had a lot of potential as an actress.
Gail
curefreak
08-30-2006, 06:49 AM
Anyway, enough controversy. Here's a serious question for ya, J, if you don't mind.
Did the Pink Ranger (forget her name...is it Amy Jo something?) ever get back to you? I always thought she had a lot of potential as an actress.
Gail
i dont think j bolt is responding anymore, he def likes to pick and choose what he will respond to.
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 06:53 AM
i dont think j bolt is responding anymore, he def likes to pick and choose what he will respond to.
That's certainly his right. He has no obligation to respond to anyone here.
But I hope he accepts these comments in the spirit intended.
Gail
Typo Lad
08-30-2006, 06:54 AM
i dont think j bolt is responding anymore, he def likes to pick and choose what he will respond to.
give him some actual time to respond, cf.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 06:56 AM
That's certainly his right. He has no obligation to respond to anyone here.
But I hope he accepts these comments in the spirit intended.
Gail
you never did respond to my question about if youre suffering from insomnia (i hope it wasnt too personal us fanboys just care about ya you know)
curefreak
08-30-2006, 06:57 AM
give him some actual time to respond, cf.
well yes but hes ignored a lot of my comments and questions so im not sure if this will be any different.
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 06:58 AM
you never did respond to my question about if youre suffering from insomnia (i hope it wasnt too personal us fanboys just care about ya you know)
No, I just don't sleep a lot, and I write mostly at night, when there are fewer distractions. I'm fine, thanks!
Gail
curefreak
08-30-2006, 07:00 AM
No, I just don't sleep a lot, and I write mostly at night, when there are fewer distractions. I'm fine, thanks!
Gail
youre welcome just remember to drink lots of orange juice;)
Lester C.
08-30-2006, 07:20 AM
Despite your incredible artistic talent J-bolt I think you are not quite grounded in reality, in terms of what your success will be after the first issue of your comic ships. With respect, I'd like to point out that it is not realistic to expect the media to get behind you and a movie to be made based on the strength for your first story arc.
TomStillwell
08-30-2006, 08:25 AM
J-Bolt, I started off yesterday trying to help you. They day ended with all kinds of wasteful back and forth. Wasteful for us both.
I didn't set out to have you answer a string of questions. You were the one who asked for my questions. You gave what you believe to be answers, so for that I thank you.
Your posts remind me of the kind of things I've heard from people working in social services back in college. Many of them suffered diagnosed delusions of grandeur that are frighteningly familiar to your behavior.
This is no joke. This is not me trying to tear you down, because even though you may believe otherwise, I have your best interest at heart.
You need to seek some professional help. Put your projects on the backburner for now. They'll still be around later. Focus on helping your emotional and mental well being.
I won't mention this again. No one can help you until you admit there is a problem. That's something I don't think you'll do but I hope you will.
To everything else you posted in answer to my recent posts, I think Mac and Gail handled them with their usual grace.
I wish you the best of luck in everything.
TomStillwell
08-30-2006, 08:29 AM
Really, myspace might be the place where LBE could MOST prosper.
You have it right, Gail. Myspace is a great promotional tool and fantastic for networking.
Check out my new myspace page. LBC could easily do something along the same lines.
http://www.myspace.com/honorbrigade
There are tons of people in comic industry on myspace.
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 09:07 AM
Despite your incredible artistic talent J-bolt I think you are not quite grounded in reality, in terms of what your success will be after the first issue of your comic ships. With respect, I'd like to point out that it is not realistic to expect the media to get behind you and a movie to be made based on the strength for your first story arc.
Wait, when did he say that? He's said he's doing his movie and comic at the same time.
Gail
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 09:38 AM
I don't think we need to be calling people crazy, please, Tom.
Gail
TomStillwell
08-30-2006, 09:47 AM
I didn't call him crazy. I said he has a problem and needs help. There's no shame in needing help or having problems.
I'm not ashamed to admit that I've seen a shrink's couch a few times myself.
My background is in psychology and social services. I wouldn't be able to look in the mirror if I didn't try to get someone who needs it some help. I wouldn't ignore someone with a physical problem. This is no different.
There was absolutely no malice in what I said.
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 09:48 AM
Okay, but you're still crazy.
KIDDING!
;)
Gail, obviously nuts
Typo Lad
08-30-2006, 09:50 AM
I'm not crazy. I have a little slip of paper that says so. I have it on me at all times.
For some reason, people don't find that comforting.
Pff. Who can figure people?
Dreadstar
08-30-2006, 09:55 AM
I'm not crazy. I have a little slip of paper that says so. I have it on me at all times.
There goes the insanity plea, bye-bye.
Me? I like to keep my options open.
Typo Lad
08-30-2006, 10:01 AM
"Keeping my options open"?
Is that Old Person code for "Can't get a date"?
Dreadstar
08-30-2006, 10:09 AM
"Keeping my options open"?
Is that Old Person code for "Can't get a date"?
Nope, it's psychotic person code for: "Hmmmmm... lethal injection or 25 years of institutionalization... hmmmmmm...."
curefreak
08-30-2006, 10:10 AM
you geeks slay me sometimes.:)
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 10:12 AM
you geeks slay me sometimes.:)
You're a geek! :)
Gail
curefreak
08-30-2006, 10:15 AM
You're a geek! :)
Gail
shhhhhhhh dont reveal my secret indentity;)
TomStillwell
08-30-2006, 10:16 AM
you geeks slay me sometimes.
Let's see. White male, 30s, intelligent, keeps to himself...
...yes, I could slay you.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 10:18 AM
Let's see. White male, 30s, intelligent, keeps to himself...
...yes, I could slay you.
are you talking about me or you?:confused:
Dreadstar
08-30-2006, 10:19 AM
Let's see. White male, 30s, intelligent, keeps to himself...
...yes, I could slay you.
Oh, you'll outgrow that phase, as long as you don't get caught and are careful to use plenty of lime to keep down the odor.
Trust me.
TomStillwell
08-30-2006, 10:31 AM
are you talking about me or you?
Me. Those the are common traits of most serial killers.
Bah. I hate explaining jokes.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 11:30 AM
Me. Those the are common traits of most serial killers.
Bah. I hate explaining jokes.
are you accusing me of being a serial killer???:eek: :mad:
Dreadstar
08-30-2006, 11:36 AM
Are you accusing me of being a serial killer?
Are you serious? C'mon, my dog got what Tom meant.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 11:38 AM
Are you serious? C'mon, my dog got what Tom meant.
you obviously dont understand my sense of humor....
Dreadstar
08-30-2006, 11:41 AM
You obviously don't understand my sense of humor.
Try it without the goofy misleading smileys next time.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 11:42 AM
Try it without the goofy misleading smileys next time.
i put the "goofy misleading" smiles there so he would know i was joking.
Dreadstar
08-30-2006, 11:45 AM
I put the "goofy misleading" smiles there so he would know I was joking.
Awesome.
.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 11:47 AM
Awesome.
.whatever..
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 11:50 AM
whatever..
Well, I thought what you said was funny!
Gail
curefreak
08-30-2006, 11:52 AM
Well, I thought what you said was funny!
Gail
yay!!! you understand me :D
TomStillwell
08-30-2006, 12:40 PM
are you accusing me of being a serial killer???
Me? No!
<quietly dials the authorities>
curefreak
08-30-2006, 12:42 PM
Me? No!
<quietly dials the authorities>damnit you big tattle tale:mad:
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 12:43 PM
Listen, J-bolt, you don't have to answer any of these questions, honestly. I think we're happy to have you come in and post whatever you like. It's not a big deal to me if you want to answer questions or not.
I think this is still mostly very positive. Everyone seems to be enjoying your new pieces and hearing about your projects.
Best,
Gail
At CBR and Newsarama, possibly. But for years, the undisputed most hated poster in comics was without question Omar, who will admit it himself if he's being honest. He recently claimed that if his real name were ever published it would be a gargantuan earthquake on the net because of the people who loathe him.
I did? Not like me to use such overwrought imagery!
Nah, my real name is pretty commonly known actually. I think you might be referring to my statement that I had recently let other info be known - a street address, for example - that could come back to bite me on the ass. Again, that was my own choice and my own fault.
But my real name causing an "earthquake" - or even a stir - on the net? Not likely - I don't think I said that. And I know I didn't say gargantuan, becasue I'm sure I'd remember typing that word out.
I stand behind making those Byrne threads - if there's any one of them that you think is particularly grotesque, by all means I'd be willing to address those concerns directly.
I contend that before all this business with J-Bolt, you were always pretty nice to me and even said some complimentary things, but now that I've defended J-Bolt it turns out I was the devil all along. You may disagree with that assessment, but that's how it feels to me.
I don't even think I'm being particularly "nice" to J-Bolt, just giving him the benefit of the doubt, but for what it's worth - and especially after reading his Chris Reeve editorial - I do genuinely like the guy (or at least his onine persona, which is all I have to go by).
I should probably confess to hoping that it was my own Comicon .sig that inspired said editorial. But really, what a great and moving sentiment from J-Bolt.
MacQuarrie
08-30-2006, 01:03 PM
Nah, my real name is pretty commonly known actually. I think you might be referring to my statement that I had recently let other info be known - a street address, for example - that could come back to bite me on the ass. Again, that was my own choice and my own fault.
You didn't let your street address slip, but you did provide a means for interested parties to find it if they chose to pursue it. It's too much like work for my tastes.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 01:05 PM
I should probably confess to hoping that it was my own Comicon .sig that inspired said editorial. But really, what a great and moving sentiment from J-Bolt.
im coming to get you omar !!! bru ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!
Matt Algren
08-30-2006, 02:02 PM
I contend that before all this business with J-Bolt, you were always pretty nice to me and even said some complimentary things, but now that I've defended J-Bolt it turns out I was the devil all along. You may disagree with that assessment, but that's how it feels to me.
Oh, OMAR, we always knew you were the devil. You're not exactly secretive about it.
Cam63
08-30-2006, 02:20 PM
I'm not crazy. I have a little slip of paper that says so. I have it on me at all times.
For some reason, people don't find that comforting.
Pff. Who can figure people?
I have the " SANE " stamp mark on the back of my hand.
Hmm... Starting to fade.
howyadoin
08-30-2006, 02:23 PM
I don't even think I'm being particularly "nice" to J-Bolt...Are you kidding? You practically grovel when you talk to him. I'm surprised you don't call him "sir".
Lester C.
08-30-2006, 02:39 PM
Wait, when did he say that? He's said he's doing his movie and comic at the same time.
Gail
Then why haven't I heard anything about either project? I don't wish to plug rival websites, but I get my comic news from a variety of sources.
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 03:01 PM
I did? Not like me to use such overwrought imagery!
Nah, my real name is pretty commonly known actually. I think you might be referring to my statement that I had recently let other info be known - a street address, for example - that could come back to bite me on the ass. Again, that was my own choice and my own fault.
But my real name causing an "earthquake" - or even a stir - on the net? Not likely - I don't think I said that. And I know I didn't say gargantuan, becasue I'm sure I'd remember typing that word out.
I stand behind making those Byrne threads - if there's any one of them that you think is particularly grotesque, by all means I'd be willing to address those concerns directly.
I contend that before all this business with J-Bolt, you were always pretty nice to me and even said some complimentary things, but now that I've defended J-Bolt it turns out I was the devil all along. You may disagree with that assessment, but that's how it feels to me.
I don't even think I'm being particularly "nice" to J-Bolt, just giving him the benefit of the doubt, but for what it's worth - and especially after reading his Chris Reeve editorial - I do genuinely like the guy (or at least his onine persona, which is all I have to go by).
No, that's still wrong. I was using hyperbole about the quote, which I thought was obvious, but I can understand if you felt it wasn't. I don't remember the exact quote, but it gave the impression of catastrophic consequences, at least in my mind.
And I say again, what's the difference between the Yabs obsession and your own, with Byrne? I think you're going to lose this particular debate point.
I like the Chris Reeve thing myself and said so.
And, typically, you're dodging. Do you or do you not admit that 'Omar' was considered the comic industry's biggest and most obnoxious troll for years?
That said, I think you misunderstand. I don't dislike you, and if I felt your defense of J-bolt was sincere (which I don't, for complicated reasons, but I'm not psychic and am famously incorrect on a regular basis) then I would think that would do you credit.
What I said about your trollism is simply my experience, it is not meant to be strictly a value judgment despite the wording. I can remember having several conversations with a diverse group of pros, and the ONLY verdict from any of them was that you were a toxic troll. Do you deny that that was the perception most had of you?
I don't think you're a demon. I have defended you numerous times, as I think you know, and I think your past has made it so that most people will never, and I mean ever, take you seriously. But I always made an effort to try to see if you had a legitimate point of view (which you often did) even when you were being most egregiously denounced.
So, what can I say, I don't dislike you. I think being a troll is a pathetic way to spend your time, and I think you're kidding yourself if you think your behavior towards Byrne is somehow morally above the Yabs/J-bolt nonsense, but that's your business.
APART from that, I have no ill will for you and enjoy reading your posts. But let's not kid ourselves about our past behavior. Own up to it, like an adult.
Best,
Gail
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 03:05 PM
Then why haven't I heard anything about either project? I don't wish to plug rival websites, but I get my comic news from a variety of sources.
I'm not seeing your point, Lester, but I mean no offense. He's said (and it's obviously up to you whether you believe it or not) many times that he plans to release the comic at the same time as the film. It's not an unheard of strategy by any means. What am I missing? That sounds reasonable to me.
Gail
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 03:14 PM
Look, I don't know how else to say it. I would like J-bolt to succeed. MY impression is that with almost no work whatsoever and no finances spent at all, he could probably gain himself a number of fans just with his new art and a story up at Newsarama or Pulse. LOTTA movie deals come through because of Newsarama, I suspect.
I'd like to see it and I'd help if I can. It would certainly draw a lot more attention to J-Bolt than posting here or at IMDB (though I do understand both have their benefits).
And finally, let me ask everyone, I don't see any reason to call people involved with the Bombshell film, okay? If there's news, there's news, and J-bolt will post about it when he feels the time is right.
Best,
Gail
TomStillwell
08-30-2006, 03:31 PM
I can't speak for anyone else but I wasn't planning to do anything of the sort. One, I could care less. Two, it's a waste of time. Three, most claims are so blantantly false you don't need to check them out.
But Gail, this also goes both way. If J-Bolt just came on here and showed us his work or talked about the work portion of his projects he'd have no problems.
Instead he makes claims that beg to be questioned or statements asking to be refuted.
For a while J-Bolt just talked shop and if you look back things were pretty calm. But then the hype and outrageous claims started up causing problems.
So if he wants to showcase his work in hopes of getting that big break he'll need to just stick with that. If he wants to avoid negative comments then it's best he avoid these kinds of claims.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 03:39 PM
im really torn on this whole byrne thing gail, on one hand i respect you and youre work highly immensely and i love byrnes work also but, his attitude and his personality leave me cold, wich is disapointing and somewhat confusing to me.
and it really puzzles me why you feel the need to defend him on here.... i think some of his statements are defenseless and he never even owns up to them either and i think its sort of strange that youre the only one who seems to openly defend him in any manner . do you feel his misunderstood perhaps? i know the latina comment didnt meet youre approval but did you ever confront him on his views ? and maybe help him learn how his statements could be deemed offensive or racist or stereotyping...
either way i hope you dont take this post the wrong way its just i had some things i needed to get off my chest.
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 03:46 PM
In this case, ALL I'm talking about is Omar's many-year-long crusade against Byrne.
Gail
curefreak
08-30-2006, 03:47 PM
In this case, ALL I'm talking about is Omar's many-year-long crusade against Byrne.
Gail
maybe he was personally offended?
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 04:00 PM
maybe he was personally offended?
It's merely a matter of stones and glass houses, cure.
Gail
curefreak
08-30-2006, 04:01 PM
It's merely a matter of stones and glass houses, cure.
Gail
well i havent seen him say anything bad or outrageous since ive been here so maybe he's turned over a new leaf?
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 04:23 PM
well i havent seen him say anything bad or outrageous since ive been here so maybe he's turned over a new leaf?
Here, sure, but he's still houndin' on Byrne at comicon.com/panels. I doubt that'll change any time soon.
Gail
curefreak
08-30-2006, 04:33 PM
Here, sure, but he's still houndin' on Byrne at comicon.com/panels. I doubt that'll change any time soon.
Gaili seriously doubt byrne is losing much sleep over it.
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 04:35 PM
Not the point I was trying to make, though.
Gail
curefreak
08-30-2006, 04:36 PM
Not the point I was trying to make, though.
Gail
i understand.:)
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 04:41 PM
I am doing more work. I have been working on the projects for quite a while, but the past month has seen my work increase exponentially where my sleep pattern is even COMPLETELY screwed. Yesterday's negativity made my time on here less than it has been in a while: that time dedicated fully to my work.
And the reason I care about what the majority of you think is because we were all warring factions for over 6 years, which I was trying to show everybody that I'm doing my job. It was to no avail, just as it still is with those very few trolls on here. I've always been in a 'damned if I do, damned if I don't' position of posting here. If I'm not answering questions and avoiding the posts, I was scorned for not answering the questions of other comic pros. But, if I did answer them, I was scorned for my answers.
Now that we're all (or rather mostly... with the important ones) friends, I spent so much time on here answering questions so that those important can see what I've done (since they're now listening open-mindedly) and what I'm doing now. Why does any other comic pro post so much on here? I'm sure not for the same reason as me, but there is one similarity in that I've also become friends with those who were my nemesis, at one point. I'm sure that others post on here for one of the same reasons as mine... that now I have friends here, who understand at least half of what I'm doing: the comic book half. I don't get the opportunity to do that often and it's nice to talk shop with people who understand what the Hell I'm saying.
J-:cool:
the question im wondering is why do you care so much about what we think? i think you should spend more time on youre work and less time convincing people of it.
i think you will find it to be more productive in the end.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 04:45 PM
I am doing more work. I have been working on the projects for quite a while, but the past month has seen my work increase exponentially where my sleep pattern is even COMPLETELY screwed. Yesterday's negativity made my time on here less than it has been in a while: that time dedicated fully to my work.
And the reason I care about what the majority of you think is because we were all warring factions for over 6 years, which I was trying to show everybody that I'm doing my job. It was to no avail, just as it still is with those very few trolls on here. I've always been in a 'damned if I do, damned if I don't' position of posting here. If I'm not answering questions and avoiding the posts, I was scorned for not answering the questions of other comic pros. But, if I did answer them, I was scorned for my answers.
Now that we're all (or rather mostly... with the important ones) friends, I spent so much time on here answering questions so that those important can see what I've done (since they're now listening open-mindedly) and what I'm doing now. Why does any other comic pro post so much on here? I'm sure not for the same reason as me, but there is one similarity in that I've also become friends with those who were my nemesis, at one point. I'm sure that others post on here for one of the same reasons as mine... that now I have friends here, who understand at least half of what I'm doing: the comic book half. I don't get the opportunity to do that often and it's nice to talk shop with people who understand what the Hell I'm saying.
J-:cool:
well im still new here on this thread/board so i dont know everything thats been said.
but you seem like a nice enough person and if you really want people to like you its best to be able to prove anything you have been promoting/bragging about.
i had more respect for you after i saw the quality of youre comic, so im sure if you dont brag about stuff that you cant back up(wich seems to be the problem)youll get along with people fine and dandy.
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 04:48 PM
That's what I tried with page 9, as I did with the freelance art (but it worked well with those), and it didn't work one bit. I'll try again later on. Maybe my computer was just over-heated when I did it with page 9.
J-:cool:
You can't. There are file size limitations here, so you can't attach large files.
What you CAN do is upload the pictures to someplace like Photobucket, or to a directory at your webspace that's publicly accessible, then link to them using the IMG tag.
If you click on the little picture of a mountain in the toolbar it'll create the code for you. It looks like this (use straight brackets instead of curly ones):
{img}http://www.yourdomain.com/pictures/page1.jpg{/IMG}
That's all there is to it.
Gail Simone
08-30-2006, 04:50 PM
That's what I tried with page 9, as I did with the freelance art (but it worked well with those), and it didn't work one bit. I'll try again later on. Maybe my computer was just over-heated when I did it with page 9.
J-:cool:
Ah, don't give it a second thought, J. Even if your work is brilliant, not everyone is going to like every panel or splash page or script. It should suffice that most of the new art is meeting with very positive responses all around, I should think!
Gail
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 05:00 PM
Gail...
I thank you for the advice. I'll take it into consideration.
As for anyone copying what I'm doing. As I've said more times than not, I'm sure it's just coincidence. But, I'm sure there are a few in these companies who do know of me and all I'm saying tht there is a slim, minute, so miniscule chance that it's improbable but not impossible, that they could've gotten the idea from me. You can't say there's not, in all honesty.
I'm not at all saying that's what happened. It's entertaining to know that there is a very small possibility, though.
IF the possibility has ANY relevance, I'm complimented more than anything. Why the Hell would I be up-in-arms or insulted by it, after all? Whichever the case may be, I don't feel like it needs pursuit by anyone, including my biggest supporter on here, Omar (did you hear me on that, Omar?).
I'm just saying it's a nice notion to think that this possibility does exist. But, 99.99999999999% of the chance is that it's not the case.
So, don't worry that I'm going into any X-files mode.
By the way... can you help me out on DC ripping me off on my JLA subscription? LOL. I was given a year's subscription to JLA the X-mas before last and only received 3 of them in that year. I can't get the subscription department to return my calls, e-mails or anything. I know that they've changed the title (yet AGAIN), but that's always been my faovrite DC title. I figured I'd have fun with asking ya' about that.
Thanks, Gail-meister,
J-:D
I can personally guarantee you DC doesn't feel that way, J-Bolt.
You have to produce work to show them that you do, that's the solution. Remember, we went round about this a long time ago, you telling everyone that DC and Marvel were trying to shut you down. It's a ridiculous claim. I was and remain very good friends with Mike Carlin, Joe Quesada and Dan DiDio, and none of them had a clue who you are or what LBE is, not a fricking clue. If they were worried about competition, which they aren't, not when between them they own over 80% of total comics sold in America, they certainly wouldn't be threatened by a company that hasn't sold a single comic in a comic book store.
I'm IN this field, these people are friends of mine, and you have to be realistic. No 'nerves have been hit' at DC. Why would they even know? Trust me, I've been at these high level meetings and even MARVEL is barely mentioned, let alone a company with 0.0% of the market.
This is what I was trying to tell you a while back...there has never, not once, been a story about you in any recognized comics press...not CBG, not Wizard, nor any other legitimate comics magazine or trade. Your work has never appeared in the Diamond solicitations. You've never had even a mention in a news story on Pulse or Newsarama. Like it or not, THESE (and not some newspaper in Vegas) are THE sources for comics news. Even doing a variety of websearches reveals almost no mention, certainly no positive mention, of your or LBC for ages and ages. How in the world is anyone supposed to know about your hard work?
I am NOT BASHING. I am trying to convey that comics companies do not work like you seem to think they do, and I'm sorry, J-Bolt, but I actually HAVE worked for DC, Marvel, Bongo, Top Cow, Dark Horse, Oni, and many other companies. No amount of talk is going to change it--your experience is 100% hypothetical, and I absolutely guarantee you, no one at DC or Marvel is shaking about some comic that MAY come out or a movie that MAY get made. That's just not how it goes. The very idea is silly.
The sole reason I bring this up is because I have been wondering why you haven't tried to take advantage of some of these outlets. Newsarama and Pulse are THRILLED to spotlight new publishers, Wizard loves to publish movie tie-in news, CBG has a lot of pages to fill each month, etc. etc.
I once sent you a list of contacts I thought might be able to help a little bit, everything from Newsarama to TV Guide. Even if you felt that these people might be friends of mine or whatever, I still think it's a good idea. These are proven forums to create industry buzz and best of all, they're free.
If a single story about your poster did so much so many years ago, that's great, why not replicate that success with some more up-to-date stories that show your current level of artistic skill? I imagine that they would be well-received and could easily get you the buzz and boost that you're looking for. A single Newsarama story could put LBE on the map more than just about anything else, including five years of the website. I honestly think, with your current art, you could really make a positive strike for LBE and pick up a lot of interest. I admit, I'm not crazy about that last black and white piece, but I do think a lot of the more recent stuff is really great and would go well with a story about you and your movie-making efforts. It costs you nothing, takes very little time, and the rewards could be great. I hope you'd consider it.
Here, here are two addys to get started with:
Matt Brady, at Newsarama.com, THE source for news about comics for the entire industry:
mbrady669@aol.com
Jen Contino, runs comicon.pulse, probably the most new publisher friendly news site going:
jencomx3@aol.com
Ben Morse, a great resource at the industry's leading journal, Wizard:
bmorse@wizarduniverse.com
These people have no particular loyalty to me, their loyalties lie with the companies they work for and they're all tops at their job. Why not drop them a line with some of your current art and some information for the newbie about your company? It can't hurt and could only help and every one of them is as fair and square as you can possibly get.
I know some of this sounds a bit harsh, J-bolt, but I ONLY SAY IT BECAUSE I DO CARE. I hate to see you missing out on an easy, free method of promoting your work that will be a thousand times more effective than posts on IMDB. These stories could lead back to your website and who knows what that could lead to?
Sincerely, I hope you'll consider it. And I hope you drop this X-Files notion that DC and Marvel know what's going on at LBE. It's simply not credible.
SINCERELY best wishes,
Gail
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 05:06 PM
<bowing> Thank you, Gail.
This accident of mine, last Wednesday, really made it important for me to voice what I think about Chris. It was extremely important to me. In writing that piece, I even put myself in a little bit of jeopardy with the film by going further into my spinal injuries description (because of insurance concerns), but I'm sure it won't bite me in the butt.
J-:cool:
By the way, I thought this was a very nice piece on your site, J-bolt.
http://www.lightningboltentertainment.com/article.php?story=christopher_reeve
I couldn't agree more.
Gail
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 05:15 PM
I'm sure you're right, as I'll take your word for it, OBVIOUSLY. I just feel that he has a right to express his opinions on here as well as those who still do commit to their thrashing of me.
As for my opinions on John Byrne, you know that I feel he's one of the greatest gifts to comic art that has ever existed, but I feel that he is a bit too opinionated, as well. As I said in that article, I truly disagree with his conception of Christopher Reeve... as a matter of fact, I feel he shouldn't even publicly voice such a controversial opinion. But, what bothers me most about him is that he considers his own work as just funny, cartoony stuff. That really down-plays the art that those of us who admire him as a detail artist and put a great deal of pride into our own work, in my opinion. It's actually hurtful because we, in the comics field, strive so hard for other art appreciators to acknowledge us as true artists and not cartoonists, who just doodle. And that remark he makes, strengthens those types of ignorant people's resolve. I'm sure I'm not alone in being attacked for my comic book art as being 'just cartoons that anybody could do' by those who consider only themselves as "fine artists." So, that's what really bothers me about John's statements.
Now... I've said my opinions on John Byrne.
J-:cool:
J-bolt, I'm sorry, you're wrong here. Omar is literally THE most well-known and despised troll in comics. That's why most of us believe his nice act here is fake. Ask any net-savvy pro, and if they know him at all, it's for his trollism.
I'm not exaggerating here. For a while, he was the most widely-hated poster in comics, and his list of grotesque behaviors is pretty legendary. If you knew his history, I think you'd be surprised.
I've given him a chance here because he's not displaying his past behavior, but he's an utter hypocrite in defending you, because he's a tireless basher of John Byrne and others elsewhere. I know he's being nice to you, but really, ask some pros about him. If they know him at all, it's as a complete and utter scumbag. Go to comicon.com/panels and ask about his behavior. They'll give you an earful, I assure you.
Gail
howyadoin
08-30-2006, 05:20 PM
That's what I tried with page 9, as I did with the freelance art (but it worked well with those), and it didn't work one bit.I could be wrong, but I don't think your site allows remote image linking. I just tried to insert one of your images here, but it didn't work.
But if all else fails, you could always get a Photobucket account. They're free.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 05:21 PM
<bowing> Thank you, Gail.
This accident of mine, last Wednesday, really made it important for me to voice what I think about Chris. It was extremely important to me. In writing that piece, I even put myself in a little bit of jeopardy with the film by going further into my spinal injuries description (because of insurance concerns), but I'm sure it won't bite me in the butt.
J-:cool:
chris was very brave in what he did.
im sure most people in that situation would have chosen to wallow in theyre own misery (i know i would) but he decided to turn his negative into a positive even tho he recieved a lot of flack for it(dont usually see celebrities that turn into quadroplegics on tv)and pushed for legislation to help disabled people like him,
and still found the time to do odd acting/directing jobs its very brave indeed in my book and his appearance on smallville choked me up.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 05:24 PM
[QUOTE=J-Bolt I truly disagree with his conception of Christopher Reeve... [QUOTE=
john byrne gave birth to christopher reeve?:eek:
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 05:26 PM
I'll go through my disk files of old e-mails and find the ones from the girl, with the link so that you can see it. Meanwhile, Mac has said he remembers it. Maybe he has the old link.
I didn't know there was an old Japanese site with the outdated info. That's interesting.
Anyway, ask Mac if he has it. And I'll go through my old e-mail files to see if I can find it.
J-:cool:
"There was a Lightning Bolt Comics fanclub in Japan started by a [then] 12 year old girl and a few others came and went over that time, since 1999. Now, if I was so unknown, this wouldn't be possible... would it?"
I submit that none of that was ever verified, ever, J-Bolt. Repeatedly you've said this, and yet there's never, not once, been a link posted and no net search reveals any such thing. The closest is a Japanese website with outdated data about the Bombshell movie.
Post a link, a name, ANYTHING, please. Really. We want to believe this claim. Why not just post a link or a name so it can be proven once and for all? No one's going to bash anyone. But you've said this so many times and yet never once shown as simple a thing as a link or address.
Surely that's a simple request?
Gail
TomStillwell
08-30-2006, 05:41 PM
john byrne gave birth to christopher reeve?
No wonder Byrne is so surly! Reeves was a big guy. That must have hurt like a mother, pun intended.
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 05:52 PM
But, that's my point... with track records such as Joss Whedon and other "greats," why is it still taking them 10 years??? They may have their reasons, but nobody is questioning them on it, as it should be. I have a perfectly valid reason for my delays... they don't.
And in the film industry, it really is true that "any press is good press." That's why even the bad attention gotten from those press releases works for my projects. If that old addage weren't true, do you think that Mel Gibson would be so powerful in the industry that he's untouchable no matter what he says or does, after his Christ film?
Albeit... I'd prefer positive acknowledgement. Who wouldn't? But, even when we were all enemies, you still took notice of me from those press releases. I did the 'squeaky wheel' thing and got some form of 'grease' from you and the Ellis forum. And doing so has gotten me positive press also.
For example, in the Vegas news, everytime I volunteered my company to do comics for causes such as AFAN (Aid For AIDS of Nevada) and Street Wise Alive (an anti-gang organization), they were knocking on my door to do interviews about them. Biether of those projects came to pass, for reasons that are SOOOOOO ridiculous on the part of the organizations, and too lengthy to describe here (although, if you want to know, ask and I'll tell ya' in a seperate post), but nonetheless, I put out press releases and do get positive press also.
I'm just saying that it's not a bad thing to promote because, when the comics and movie are in view of everybody, people will remember and will be more likely to want to see it, than if I just stayed quiet and then said "here... I've got a comic and movie!" People just wouldn't care unless they've been hearing about it for some time, before it came out.
When my press first came out, when I was 18, I had 4 issues of WLS done and ready to go. I had investors talking to me left & right, but they all wanted control of me and my company, thinking me to be nothing less than a naive, stupid kid, that I'd give it up. I didn't. In retrospect, I never regretted that decision because my style greatly improved, in those past 20 years, and once my comics go to full print, and my film comes out, I will be sitting pretty... and I'll never have to answer to anybody else as far as what I do with my company, comics, movies, etc., except for the fans.
I hope you understand.
J-:cool:
J-
"By the way, as I've said repeatedly, and cannot be disputed, I've shown that I am indeed making a film, and getting the money together myself, just short of the last $100,000, while DC, Marvel, and others have never been disputed, like I have been (and am being here again) when they've had ample availability to ALL resources to make a film, especially the funds to do so, without having to drum up investors, and yet still take 10 years and more to get a film out... if at all. In that respect, can you prove that DC/Warner Bros. is truly making a Wonder Woman movie, for example? They've talked about it and given SEVERAL DIFFERENT casting of the actresses for the lead role over the past 10 years alone. Yet... they never show anything except new casting for the role again and again... and I HAVE."
Again, this is apples and oranges. DC and Marvel have had dozens of movies and Joss Whedon is attached to Wonder Woman, and he's also made tons of film. You haven't.
It's not really an apt comparison.
Look, I admit this stuff bugs me, these claims without evidence. HOWEVER, I understand if you're holding off talking about someone you're hoping to sign. That's perfectly valid. I understand about LOI's and NDA's. I've signed a few myself. I don't see any reason to criticize you for that.
And yes, there was a lot of buzz after those first 'press releases,' but to be honest, J-bolt, I and every other pro get ten of those a week or more. I wouldn't think of the response as positive, but you might disagree.
Gail
curefreak
08-30-2006, 05:58 PM
But, that's my point... with track records such as Joss Whedon and other "greats," why is it still taking them 10 years??? They may have their reasons, but nobody is questioning them on it, as it should be. I have a perfectly valid reason for my delays... they don't.
And in the film industry, it really is true that "any press is good press." That's why even the bad attention gotten from those press releases works for my projects. If that old addage weren't true, do you think that Mel Gibson would be so powerful in the industry that he's untouchable no matter what he says or does, after his Christ film?
Albeit... I'd prefer positive acknowledgement. Who wouldn't? But, even when we were all enemies, you still took notice of me from those press releases. I did the 'squeaky wheel' thing and got some form of 'grease' from you and the Ellis forum. And doing so has gotten me positive press also.
For example, in the Vegas news, everytime I volunteered my company to do comics for causes such as AFAN (Aid For AIDS of Nevada) and Street Wise Alive (an anti-gang organization), they were knocking on my door to do interviews about them. Biether of those projects came to pass, for reasons that are SOOOOOO ridiculous on the part of the organizations, and too lengthy to describe here (although, if you want to know, ask and I'll tell ya' in a seperate post), but nonetheless, I put out press releases and do get positive press also.
I'm just saying that it's not a bad thing to promote because, when the comics and movie are in view of everybody, people will remember and will be more likely to want to see it, than if I just stayed quiet and then said "here... I've got a comic and movie!" People just wouldn't care unless they've been hearing about it for some time, before it came out.
When my press first came out, when I was 18, I had 4 issues of WLS done and ready to go. I had investors talking to me left & right, but they all wanted control of me and my company, thinking me to be nothing less than a naive, stupid kid, that I'd give it up. I didn't. In retrospect, I never regretted that decision because my style greatly improved, in those past 20 years, and once my comics go to full print, and my film comes out, I will be sitting pretty... and I'll never have to answer to anybody else as far as what I do with my company, comics, movies, etc., except for the fans.
I hope you understand.
J-:cool:
J-
are you trying to infer that josh whedon has been taking 10 years to make the wonder woman movie?
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 05:59 PM
Thank you, Gail.
And I'm getting the work done for the #1's of both the first titles and have a definite plan to see it through to completion. And I have the drive, determination and what other important factors that will see me through until I've succeeded, as the past 20 years of strenuous continued efforts show.
J-:cool:
I agree with all of this, to be honest. I don't think an ashcan and a poster is a comics company by any stretch of the imagination. Every convention I go to I'm handed dozens of posters and ashcans and mini-comics. Dozens. I know some pros who don't even carry them home but throw them out on the spot when they get back to their hotel.
BUT, it's still publishing and that makes J-Bolt a publisher, AND a published writer/artist. I don't see why anyone would dispute it.
Gail
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 06:02 PM
I had that suggested to me a few months ago, also. It sounds like a great idea that I'd love to explore. The problem is that I already have so much on my plate that I don't have the additional time to look into it and fully appreciate it, in order to do one that is really effective and asthetically pleasing. I need somebody who can help me with such an endeavor, without doubt.
J-:cool:
Oh, and finally...you know, I wonder if an LBE blog might not be a bad idea? It seems to me that Myspace and the blogoverse might be a great way to get the LBE message out. You could post your thoughts on the blog and the LBE site (which is much improved, good work to you and Sk both) at the same time?
Really, myspace might be the place where LBE could MOST prosper.
Just a thought.
gail
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 06:06 PM
I appreciate that, Gail.
By the way... have you had a chance to read the script, yet? I'm anxious to get the opinion of an accomplished writer, comics lover, and movie lover (I'm assuming that last one, of course, since we've never talked about movies in general).
J-:cool:
Oh, and about the 'experts' post above...
Listen, it's nothing to be ashamed of. I know a lot about comics and the companies that produce them, but I know very little about how to draw (which you do) and how to work computers (which you also do). That's why when I have to ask about those things, I am perfectly willing to make a fool of myself asking too many questions. :)
Best of luck,
Gail
curefreak
08-30-2006, 06:08 PM
i guess im being ignored again....
Lester C.
08-30-2006, 06:13 PM
i guess im being ignored again....
Welcome to my world. You should try talking in all colored caps and posting suggestive Adrian Paul pictures if you want some attention.:)
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 06:14 PM
Thank you very much, Bub...
That's a great looking site. I've bookmarked it so that I can check it out when I have the time.
J-:cool:
In the interest of helping, I would like to present an invaluable resource for J-Bolt (and anyone else who is interested) to check out.
It’s a web site called Creating Comics (http://members.shaw.ca/creatingcomics/)
When I was a wee lad of eighteen and founded my comic book studio (of blessed memory), this was the site that helped me round out my comic book knowledge. It has links to articles on just about every aspect of comic book creation.
As gail points out, not everyone can be an expert in everything, but this site certainly helps round out one’s knowledge.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 06:14 PM
Welcome to my world. You should try talking in all colored caps and posting suggestive Adrian Paul pictures if you want some attention.:)
whos adrian paul?
Dark Galaxy
08-30-2006, 06:21 PM
whos adrian paul?
HAHAHA...I love this quote for so many reasons.
TomStillwell
08-30-2006, 06:31 PM
I had that suggested to me a few months ago, also. It sounds like a great idea that I'd love to explore. The problem is that I already have so much on my plate that I don't have the additional time to look into it and fully appreciate it, in order to do one that is really effective and asthetically pleasing. I need somebody who can help me with such an endeavor, without doubt.
It literally takes about five minutes to setup a myspace account. You've spent more time posting today than it would take to get started.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 06:31 PM
HAHAHA...I love this quote for so many reasons.
:o (hides):o
Lester C.
08-30-2006, 06:36 PM
whos adrian paul?
The sexiest man of this and or any other generation.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c269/trigunfan1/untitled-4.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c269/trigunfan1/untitled-3.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c269/trigunfan1/121ca57c0.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/jethrolene/adrian%20paul/drawingofA.jpg
And if posting Adrian fails start calling your online friends obscenities, again in big bold colored caps.
howyadoin
08-30-2006, 06:36 PM
But, that's my point... with track records such as Joss Whedon and other "greats," why is it still taking them 10 years???Well, Joss Whedon's been a pretty busy guy, what with 3 TV shows and a movie or two, plus all the comics he's written.
As for DC itself, maybe they were spooked after Batman and Robin turned into such a piece of shit.
Lester C.
08-30-2006, 06:37 PM
The sexiest man of this and or any other generation.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c269/trigunfan1/untitled-4.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c269/trigunfan1/untitled-3.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c269/trigunfan1/121ca57c0.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/jethrolene/adrian%20paul/drawingofA.jpg
And if posting Adrian fails start calling your online friends obscenities, again in big bold colored caps.
I'm not going to let these photos go to waste in the last page.
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 06:38 PM
I agree. I hate negativity and what I wanted was questions.
With Amy Jo Johnson, I made a big mistake, that I hopefully made up for, that I didn't realize when it first came about. When I was talking with her agent, he was adament about me not bothering to send the script, just to pay the deposit when I'm ready for her. Now, I'm used to every single actor wanting to read and approve the script before accepting a role, so I thought this guy didn't know what the Hell he was doing (I was an ABSOLUTE idiot... wasn't I?). So, he and I argued for about 20 minutes, with me trying to MAKE him take the script for AJ. At the end of the heated conversation, he told me that I didn't know what *I* was doing. Now, I know better (I'm not saying that to be an ass... I'm saying it because I've been working with actors, agents, attorneys, etc. steadily, since I started the project 6 years ago), but I didn't realize that what the situation is... is that she'll accept any/all roles, and that's basically what he was telling me: when I'm ready, just get the payment in and she'll take it, read the script then, and read the script for the film, then. So, I've publicly apologized to him and to her, for my temporary, ignorant, insanity. Hopefully, he accepts my apology because I really want AJ for the Marinna role. She's just too perfect for it. Her acting is fantastic, she's DEFINITELY used to action roles (as Marinna is more active than any character in the film, as you're reading), she definitely looks the role, in every way (except that her hair will be extended with the blond highlights needed), and she has an eternal youth that can't be matched, for this role. Did you know... she's only about 2 years younger than me, and yet, she still looks like a teenager and can make us believe she is one. Besides that, she has the biggest Internet fanbase than any female I've ever seen on the Web. She also has an incredible sound with her music, but Sam has that one tied up. Now, if they want, they could always do a song or 2 together, but...
Anyway, I'm most certainly hoping that I mended the fences enough with her agent (unless she's changed agents yet again) so that she'll assay the role. I didn't have her in mind when I created Marinna, but the role really was made for her.
Thanks for asking a great question.
J-:cool:
Anyway, enough controversy. Here's a serious question for ya, J, if you don't mind.
Did the Pink Ranger (forget her name...is it Amy Jo something?) ever get back to you? I always thought she had a lot of potential as an actress.
Gail
curefreak
08-30-2006, 06:42 PM
The sexiest man of this and or any other generation.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c269/trigunfan1/untitled-4.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c269/trigunfan1/untitled-3.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c269/trigunfan1/121ca57c0.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/jethrolene/adrian%20paul/drawingofA.jpg
And if posting Adrian fails start calling your online friends obscenities, again in big bold colored caps.
i always feel sorry for people with two first names.
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 06:47 PM
You're wrong there, Darlin'...
I'm just not responding to negative posts anymore, unless they have a poignant, open-minded, air to them, which needs an answer.
By the way... I just got the e-mail of your post. You're not being ignored. I've just got A LOT of posts to catch up on, since last night, and I'm getting to them. It's going to end up getting out of hand, since I'm going to try and narrow down my coming to the forum about twice a week, because of the negativity that points out that I've spent way too much time on here, trying to impress people who don't deserve it while not giving enough time to those who do deserve it. You even pointed out that I've spent too much time on here.
So, I'm not ignoring you a bit. Ask me questions, or address anything to me, and I'll be happy to answer them for ya'. Hell... I'm still on page 227, so I have some DEFINITE catching up to do. The posts went from one extreme to another in that it went dead to now I'm overwhelmed, just in the past 24 hours.
J-:cool:
i dont think j bolt is responding anymore, he def likes to pick and choose what he will respond to.
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 06:49 PM
Of course I am. I just have some heavy catching up to do.
J-:cool:
That's certainly his right. He has no obligation to respond to anyone here.
But I hope he accepts these comments in the spirit intended.
Gail
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 06:51 PM
Which ones have I ingored that you want me to respond to, Darlin'? Ask me again and I'll be happy to respond.
J-:cool:
well yes but hes ignored a lot of my comments and questions so im not sure if this will be any different.
Lester C.
08-30-2006, 06:53 PM
SING ALONG EVERYBODY AS YOU SHAKE THAT ASS!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ManHMi3mRDw
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 07:01 PM
Les...
Please don't think I'm not being realistic. I know that it's going to be a nail-biting once it all comes, out, waiting to see what acceptance my comics and movie receive. I'm hoping it'll be positive, and from those who have read the script so far, I've gotten mostly positive feedback. I've got a great cast/crew behind me, so far, so I'm hoping that'll get it through to my expectations and that of those who have given the positive feedback.
As for my comics, all I know is that the Vegas press has all stated that they want their next stories on me to be when the comics come out. And if they "satellite" the stories out, like they did before, I'll get a great review just based on the "lemming theory."
I can't begin to tell you what the press will do when this new cast member signs, then gets announced. If you knew who it was, you'd completely understand. I wish I could tell you, but...
All I can say is that my faculties are intact on reality. But, in promoting anything, you don't say "I don't know if it'll do good because some people think what I do sucks." It just doesn't work that way... that's why it's called promoting.
Squeaky wheel, Man... squeaky wheel.
J-:cool:
Despite your incredible artistic talent J-bolt I think you are not quite grounded in reality, in terms of what your success will be after the first issue of your comic ships. With respect, I'd like to point out that it is not realistic to expect the media to get behind you and a movie to be made based on the strength for your first story arc.
curefreak
08-30-2006, 07:02 PM
Which ones have I ingored that you want me to respond to, Darlin'? Ask me again and I'll be happy to respond.
J-:cool:
dont call me darlin' im a guy !
and the question i asked is you keep infering that joss whedon is taking ten years to do something im assuming the wonder woman movie? or maybe you meant dc is taking ten years to make a wonder woman movie? im confused...
Crowley
08-30-2006, 07:02 PM
you had newspeople knocking on your door when you wer a teen?
people trying to buy LBE?
ANY PROOF of this?
J-bolt, Jim,
I beg you... cut the BS. You have people here trying to help you, by embellishing and weaving tall absurd tales with no facts to back them up... it makes people question the authenticty of your claims... especially considering your past rack record.
Just tell the Truth.
If you were to say to us...
"I'm a guy in Las Vegas who wants to make comics and I dream of one day having my comics made into a movie. I'd like help and I've been out of the loop for the past 5 years."
and drop the "president" attitude and showed a little more humility you might ingratiate yourself to us a bit more.
that's my 2 cents...
okay... something positive... tell us about Bombshell...
what are her stats?
what are her motivations?
is she bad or good?
does she have alternate costumes?
what's with the big gauntlets?
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 07:06 PM
Thanks, Gail-meister...
I took his post as referring to my old posts, as far as my comic book, and that I've stated that the press is anxious to cover when it actually gets printed. So, that's what I answered.
I also took it as referring to the press with the film and the new cast member.
If I'm wrong, I hope I'll be corrected and given precise examples to respond to.
J-:cool:
Wait, when did he say that? He's said he's doing his movie and comic at the same time.
Gail
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 07:10 PM
I had to get to this one the MOMENT I read it in e-mail. I feel like an idiot, there. Forgive me. I don't know why I assumed you were a chick. I guess I should be breaking the ASSUME word donw, now... yet again, for me. OOPS!
As far as the WW movie, yes, I'm referring to DC/Warner Bros. They have no excuse and Joss Whedon is just another writer that's on the laundry list of those well-known writers who took on the script. It would be nice if they finally take Joss' script, but I don't have faith in their track record... and niether should anyone else.
J-:cool:
dont call me darlin' im a guy !
and the question i asked is you keep infering that joss whedon is taking ten years to do something im assuming the wonder woman movie? or maybe you meant dc is taking ten years to make a wonder woman movie? im confused...
curefreak
08-30-2006, 07:12 PM
I had to get to this one the MOMENT I read it in e-mail. I feel like an idiot, there. Forgive me. I don't know why I assumed you were a chick. I guess I should be breaking the ASSUME word donw, now... yet again, for me. OOPS!
As far as the WW movie, yes, I'm referring to DC/Warner Bros. They have no excuse and Joss Whedon is just another writer that's on the laundry list of those well-known writers who took on the script. It would be nice if they finally take Joss' script, but I don't have faith in their track record... and niether should anyone else.
J-:cool:
i think hes set in stone to do the movie its just the casting is taking forever!
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 07:15 PM
Thank you, Gail...
I think it would be even more prevalent to quote "let ye with no sin cast the first stone," as none of what I last addressed to him was responded to... it was avoided. I may have gotten so pissed that I went off on him completely, but I guess it's more comfortable for him to feel that there's more something wrong with ME than he who persecutes one who does not acknowledge the faults of those he feels to commit no sin, no matter what.
J-:cool:
I don't think we need to be calling people crazy, please, Tom.
Gail
curefreak
08-30-2006, 07:19 PM
Thank you, Gail...
I think it would be even more prevalent to quote "let ye with no sin cast the first stone," as none of what I last addressed to him was responded to... it was avoided. I may have gotten so pissed that I went off on him completely, but I guess it's more comfortable for him to feel that there's more something wrong with ME than he who persecutes one who does not acknowledge the faults of those he feels to commit no sin, no matter what.
J-:cool:
i think if you read the actual post he was trying to help you it seemed very sincere and he never called you crazy.
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 07:24 PM
Thank you, Gail...
I don't mind answering questions at all... but ONLY for people who take my answers open-mindedly, giving me the chance to make good on what I answer and remember all the past. So, I refuse to answer anything from people who won't accept my answers or at least give them the option that they could be true, with the time curve which will show such.
I'm glad that the majority of those here DO give me the chance, now, to show my statements to have the validity I claim, and that they enjoy them. That's all I ever wanted.
J-:cool:
Listen, J-bolt, you don't have to answer any of these questions, honestly. I think we're happy to have you come in and post whatever you like. It's not a big deal to me if you want to answer questions or not.
I think this is still mostly very positive. Everyone seems to be enjoying your new pieces and hearing about your projects.
Best,
Gail
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 07:37 PM
Omar...
I'm so glad you like my editorial.
As for getting to know me more than what you do, just ask me anything else, and I'll be happy to answer ya'.
Misunderstandings with posts can easily happen. Just explain yourself as calmly as possible (disregarding my tirade at a certain individual last night), as you did here... and stay open-minded... then, you'll do fine, here.
Thanks, Bub,
J-;)
I did? Not like me to use such overwrought imagery!
Nah, my real name is pretty commonly known actually. I think you might be referring to my statement that I had recently let other info be known - a street address, for example - that could come back to bite me on the ass. Again, that was my own choice and my own fault.
But my real name causing an "earthquake" - or even a stir - on the net? Not likely - I don't think I said that. And I know I didn't say gargantuan, becasue I'm sure I'd remember typing that word out.
I stand behind making those Byrne threads - if there's any one of them that you think is particularly grotesque, by all means I'd be willing to address those concerns directly.
I contend that before all this business with J-Bolt, you were always pretty nice to me and even said some complimentary things, but now that I've defended J-Bolt it turns out I was the devil all along. You may disagree with that assessment, but that's how it feels to me.
I don't even think I'm being particularly "nice" to J-Bolt, just giving him the benefit of the doubt, but for what it's worth - and especially after reading his Chris Reeve editorial - I do genuinely like the guy (or at least his onine persona, which is all I have to go by).
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 07:40 PM
Actually, Omar...
You're partially right. Seeing your John Byrne quote was what gave me the notion of somehow voicing what I think about Chris. But my accident is what inspired my editorial to come to complete fruition.
J-:cool:
I should probably confess to hoping that it was my own Comicon .sig that inspired said editorial. But really, what a great and moving sentiment from J-Bolt.
J-Bolt
08-30-2006, 07:48 PM
Untrue. Though he's under-estimating his defense of me, he most certainly was never "practically grovel[ing]." All he was doing was supporting me here. You cannot fault him for stating his opinions on that... that would be wrong. If you didn't agree with him (or still don't), that's your perogative... but, don't go to an extreme about it, eh?
There's no need for another flame war. How about wiping his slate clean also, and just have an open forum of opinions, which include Omar's? I think that would be fair. Mac... Gail? What do you think? If Omar tones his posts down, as I have, can he have a 2nd chance, too?
J-:cool:
Are you kidding? You practically grovel when you talk to him. I'm surprised you don't call him "sir".
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