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J-Bolt
08-27-2006, 07:27 PM
What printing company DOESN'T include cover, back IBC and IFC as pages?
they also count ads... unless you're planning on not running ANY ads... which would be foolish.
Ads obviously would be in it, but in comic books, the ad pages aren't numbered.
I think I've seen that full comic before... it looks like old work and as I commented before... anatomy is off. That said... it's a fun image.
No, you haven't seen that full comic before as only 3 of the inked pages have ever been/are on the site now. The rest of the pages are the sketched thumbnails. Also, this page that I put up there was just done 2 nights ago.
So, it's anything BUT old.
Anatomy, I don't feel like commenting on, except that 99% of what I've seen from every other publisher is hundreds of times worse on anatomy.
I've never had my work, this type anyway, called "fun." I'm not sure how to take that except that you obviously don't take it seriously.
cool, so will you be constructing the comic in InDesign? or just Illustrator files and then combining them as a PDF?
Who's your printer?
1,000 copies for $270 bucks is a pretty good deal, they're going B&W I would assume...
I will be putting the comic in a basic PageMaker file to publish it, each as high res jpg's.
As I've said many times before, there will be 25,000 copies printed of each issue and they'll be in full color. The only way I'll do b&w, is if I put one out in the CafeShops store, as they only print the cover as color and the rest b&w.
J-
J-Bolt
08-27-2006, 07:36 PM
This printer is in Las Vegas, but any local printers will give you good deals and prices, if you shop around. Just see what they print and you'll find excellent prices. They're all happy as hell to show you their work. And if they're a printer who does any publications you know, you already know the quality they put out. Plus, they go out of their way to compete with each other on prices.
The best way to go about getting a good printer, at a good price (like I did), just write everything down you need, in detail, and fax it to every one of the local printers, asking them to fax you back their quotes.
Once you have the best quotes, call them and tell them what the others quoted you and they'll all bid for your business against each other.
J-:cool:
Yes, that would be an insanely good deal. I can't see how any printer would make money off of charging 27 cents an issue for a color comic.
I'd really like the number to that printer so I can work with them concerning distribution through Diamond soon.
howyadoin
08-27-2006, 08:17 PM
I will be putting the comic in a basic PageMaker file to publish it, each as high res jpg's.I'd say you'd be better off going with TIFFs or EPS files. Some imagesetters have problems with JPEGs colour-separating properly - most of the publications I've done ads for won't take JPEGs at all.
A lot of 'em won't take PageMaker anymore, either. But if you've got a print shop that will, no worries there. Just check it out beforehand.
TCJohnson
08-27-2006, 08:23 PM
I'd say you'd be better off going with TIFFs or EPS files. Some imagesetters have problems with JPEGs colour-separating properly - most of the publications I've done ads for won't take JPEGs at all.
A lot of 'em won't take PageMaker anymore, either. But if you've got a print shop that will, no worries there. Just check it out beforehand.
What about PDFs? (Just curious)
howyadoin
08-27-2006, 08:54 PM
What about PDFs? (Just curious)Hi-Res PDFs for the whole thing are definitely good, if you've got the right PDF settings and if you distill them properly. There's all kinds of areas where you can run into problems, though.
For example, a few publications here in Vancouver are still using OS9 and QuarkXpress 4, and PDFs generated directly from InDesign, for example, apparently have some sort of code in them that the old operating system can't read. Finally we came up with a pre-set that generates an error-free postscript file that we process in Acrobat Distiller, but it took a lot of trial and error.
For something like a comic, though, rasterizing whole pages will eliminate any potential font problems, and still make it easy for the printer's pagination program to do its thing. For most multi-page documents (high-end brochures, annual reports, and like that), all the print houses we use prefer native files.
Carlton Donaghe
08-27-2006, 09:05 PM
I will be putting the comic in a basic PageMaker file to publish it, each as high res jpg's.
J-
J-Bolt, as Howyadoin said, you can't really use JPG's in PageMaker. The artwork should be saved as a TIFF file, the lettering in EPS. Make sure the lettering is converted to curves, or else you'll have to send the font files as well. If you do convert the lettering to curves (which I recommend), save a non-converted EPS file of the lettering just in case you need to go back in and edit. Also, if you are doing a color comic, you'll want to make sure the colors are all in CMYK. As far as I know, JPG files can only accomodate RPG colors-- which only work on computer screens. Printers cannot print from RPG colors. They'll have to convert them to CMYK, and will most likely charge you extra for doing so.
Just sayin'.
TomStillwell
08-27-2006, 09:07 PM
Most of the printers I've talked to take PDFs. That's how I handle Honor Brigade and comixpress.
J-Bolt, even if that printer is in Las Vegas, I'd still use them. My current printer is in New Jersey while I'm in Chicago. I'll go where I can get the best price and that price, out of all the printers I've already talked to, is crazy. Especially on a color comic. I'd really like to contact them for a quote myself.
Of course that quote may be so low because of the absurdly huge print run. I'd be looking to print a more realistic number.
Carlton Donaghe
08-27-2006, 10:10 PM
If you were to use Brenner to print 25,000 copies of a 40pg color comic, with interiors on 50# white gloss, covers (color outside, b&w inside) on 70# gloss book, you'll be paying more than $0.44 per copy. You might be able to get it significantly lower if you print 50,000 copies, but nobody outside of Marvel and DC is selling those kinds of numbers. Image's top-selling book in July (Witchblade #100) sold just under 34,000 copies. Darkhorse's top-selling book (Star Wars Legacy #2) sold less than 33,500. If you are planning on selling comics outside of comic shops, where you probably won't be able to sell them on a non-returnable basis, you'll need to count on printing and distributing 3 copies for every one you sell-- which is one of the reasons why you don't see comics on newsstands anymore.
[Edited to correct grammer. Okay, and now spelling, too.]
Clement
08-27-2006, 11:08 PM
Anatomy, I don't feel like commenting on, except that 99% of what I've seen from every other publisher is hundreds of times worse on anatomy.
I've never had my work, this type anyway, called "fun." I'm not sure how to take that except that you obviously don't take it seriously.
that's your defense ? other people are worse than me? when someone says something like that to me when I'm giving them a portfolio review, the review is over.
that stuff is amateurish at best, and believe me, I'm holding back cause Gail asked that we keep it civil.
MacQuarrie
08-28-2006, 01:19 AM
I've never had my work, this type anyway, called "fun." I'm not sure how to take that except that you obviously don't take it seriously.
Dude, given the current state of comics, I think "fun" is the highest compliment anyone could give.
Crowley
08-28-2006, 06:36 AM
I'd say you'd be better off going with TIFFs or EPS files. Some imagesetters have problems with JPEGs colour-separating properly - most of the publications I've done ads for won't take JPEGs at all.
A lot of 'em won't take PageMaker anymore, either. But if you've got a print shop that will, no worries there. Just check it out beforehand.
that's exactly what I was about to say... when I FTP stuff for freelance clients and at DDP we NEVER use Jpegs.
CMYK 300 DPI TIFFs Embedded into Illustrator generated EPSs linked in INDESIGN files and then PDFed.
and Jbolt,
I've never heard of a print company ever not counting cover, back, IFC and IBC... or the ads. But then the 27 cent per color book rate I've also never heard of...
would love to know what printer is giving you such a great deal.
Crowley
08-28-2006, 06:48 AM
that's your defense ? other people are worse than me? when someone says something like that to me when I'm giving them a portfolio review, the review is over.
that stuff is amateurish at best, and believe me, I'm holding back cause Gail asked that we keep it civil.
Since you've chimed in, I love your stuff. Your JTF2 cover was pretty awesome, as was your work on Infantry and Voltron.
Crowley
08-28-2006, 07:04 AM
That's not what I've ever worked with, concerning page numbers in comic books. Maybe what you're talking about has to do with magazines and other media which ALL pages are numbered, but I don't know why any printer would expend the time/energy to sift through the advertising pages just to number the story pages. That's why I like to do it myself. Besides that, it also adds to the effective appearance of the book by having the personalized page number look.
other people here have worked on comics... I've now worked on maybe 100 books this year including G.I. JOE, Family Guy and Dungeons and Dragons books.
I'm telling you... the printer counts ads, they count cover, back, IBC and IFC.
Printers don't change they're tune based on whether it's a magazine on a comic except for sizing and binding.
MacQuarrie
08-28-2006, 08:57 AM
other people here have worked on comics... I've now worked on maybe 100 books this year including G.I. JOE, Family Guy and Dungeons and Dragons books.
I'm telling you... the printer counts ads, they count cover, back, IBC and IFC.
Printers don't change they're tune based on whether it's a magazine on a comic except for sizing and binding.
I think you guys are talking about different things.
Of course the printer counts all the pages, but when comics pages are numbered, it's usually only the story pages that have visible numbers on them. J-Bolt intoends to skip the ad pages and number the story pages sequentially, using his pretty numbers that he made.
I can't remember the last time I saw a comic with page numbers, but I wish they did it more often. Many times I've read a review or an interview with an artist or a letters page in which somebody referred to a given page of a story, and I had to go back and count the pages to fine the one they were tlaking about, and it's annoying.
TomStillwell
08-28-2006, 09:07 AM
Re-read you copy of Honor Brigade #1, Mac. I do page numbers.
I'm a firm believer in some of the old comic staples. Page numbers, word balloons, letter pages, and back-up stories. You'll see all of these come into play eventually in Honor Brigade.
MacQuarrie
08-28-2006, 09:48 AM
You're right, Tom, you did use page numbers. Now if only Marvel & DC would see the value in them.
While we're at it, how about thought balloons? I think this caption business is a poor substitute.
Does DC really think because they color the caption box blue and but Superman's logo next to it, I'm not going to realize that it's a good old fashioned thought balloon dressed up for today's snobby readers? It's a thought balloon; don't dress it up, go for it. Put the line of bubbles leading from the hero's cranium, put the text in a fluffy cloud-shaped balloon. It won't kill you.
So sue me, I'm old-school.
TomStillwell
08-28-2006, 09:59 AM
Thought balloons. That's what I meant. I use thought balloons. Of course I use word balloons. Duh.
I like to use caption boxes only for stuff the reader wouldn't know just by following the interaction between characters.
I'll stick the name of the current location in a caption box if it's not clear visually or to help with a transition in the story.
I'll use the caption box for narration too. Mostly though I like to avoid narration and let the characters tell their own story. I might use a caption box for a character's dialog in flashback or if we're seeing something else they are talking about.
Typo Lad
08-28-2006, 10:00 AM
I liked the "captions as thought baloons" in The Flash by Mark Waid. They complimented the story, instead of overwhelming it.
Red Jack
08-28-2006, 10:46 AM
Clement:
HOLY CRAP! your stuff is AWESOME!
Captions: I only use them as "voice overs." No "Meanwhile" etc.
howyadoin
08-28-2006, 12:17 PM
that's exactly what I was about to say... when I FTP stuff for freelance clients and at DDP we NEVER use Jpegs.
CMYK 300 DPI TIFFs Embedded into Illustrator generated EPSs linked in INDESIGN files and then PDFed.One of the many, many great things about InDesign, of course, is the Separations Preview, and being able to check the ink limits. I use that all the time, now. Couldn't imagine going back to Quark again.
Matt Algren
08-28-2006, 02:54 PM
I don't know how to do this except to just do it. The image below has been released as part of a Newsarama interview (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/titans/TonyDaniel/Daniel.html) with Tony Daniel. These are characters that will be appearing in Teen Titans in the near future.
NRAMA: Bombshell?
TD: Bombshell was initially named Lt. Atom. Eddie [Berganza] wanted a military look to her. And I think we'll see why that fits when issue #39 hits the stands.
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/titans/TonyDaniel/Bombshell_youngfrankenstein.jpg
howyadoin
08-28-2006, 02:56 PM
"Young Frankenstein"?
God, the jokes will practically write themselves.
TomStillwell
08-28-2006, 03:10 PM
I think both parties are okay sharing the say name. Now if both character shared the same concept and background that would be different.
To be honest, I like Daniel's Bombshell a whole lot better. Less is definately more in this case. She looks like a deadly piece of work as opposed to BombShell's overblown quality, no pun intended.
The BombShell design has never really appealed to me. It's sort of a 13 year old fanboy's idea of what a cool female superhero should look like. I haven't been 13 for many years.
Different tastes for different people. It's just not my taste.
Matt Algren
08-28-2006, 03:23 PM
I think both parties are okay sharing the say name. Now if both character shared the same concept and background that would be different.I agree. It's the same reason there can be two Captains called Marvel. But, man, this ain't gonna be pretty. I seem to remember an extreme reaction to a 'Bolt' that came out from a publisher awhile back.
SUPERECWFAN1
08-28-2006, 03:42 PM
Theres now gonna be a character at DC called Bombshell ? This is priceless comedy at its best. ;)
Lester C.
08-28-2006, 04:01 PM
J-bolt you are an incredible artist, whose style would easily fit into the comic book world. You only flaw is that your writing can use some polishing, which is insignificant when factored against your considerable artistic skill. Have you ever considered taking on several collaborators to strengthen the areas that you are weak in?
This business with Bombshell being stolen has made me sick to my stomach. I posted a polite inquiry to that Newsarama thread; hopefully this can be straightened out before publication.
Lester C.
08-28-2006, 04:22 PM
To be fair to Tony Daniels, Bombshell has been used to describe blond busty characters for decades now. I can even think of two other comic book characters that had that name before J-bolt invented that character six years ago.
SUPERECWFAN1
08-28-2006, 04:40 PM
This business with Bombshell being stolen has made me sick to my stomach. I posted a polite inquiry to that Newsarama thread; hopefully this can be straightened out before publication.
Are you serious ? I mean come on...its just a name. If anyone should be pissed its Marvel and Rachel Grey fans seeing as how Tony lifted some of the look from her.
Crowley
08-28-2006, 06:39 PM
This business with Bombshell being stolen has made me sick to my stomach. I posted a polite inquiry to that Newsarama thread; hopefully this can be straightened out before publication.
:rolleyes:
you are aware that the name Bombshell has been taken for MANY years right?
Bombshell is the name of Hasbro Transformer character, and a Spyboy Character:
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/b/bomshel.htm
Plus:
http://www.ukosmith.com/The%20Bombshell%20Comic.htm
but DC and Marvel both have Captain Marvels and Firestorms... so take that as you will.
MacQuarrie
08-28-2006, 07:27 PM
This business with Bombshell being stolen has made me sick to my stomach. I posted a polite inquiry to that Newsarama thread; hopefully this can be straightened out before publication.
Stolen?
That word only applies if you have some reason to believe that Geoff Johns or Tony Daniel have ever heard of J-Bolt's Bombshell. Given that "bombshell" has been a descriptive term for a voluptous blonde woman since at least the 1930s (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0023825/) (a fact acknowledged by J-Bolt himself (http://reelmind.com/asfroot/j-bolt/default.php?movie_id=&speed=&ck=577)), there is ample reason to assume that what we're looking at here is coincidental simultaneous development. It happens all the time.
In any case, there's no way that DC is going to change the character name, even if J-Bolt can show trademark registration for the name. They have a very healthy legal department.
Dark Galaxy
08-28-2006, 07:33 PM
"Young Frankenstein"?
God, the jokes will practically write themselves.
That's Fronk-en-steen.
My post to that Newsarama thread has been deleted and from what I can tell my posting ability has been removed. I'm kind of in shock - I had gone out of my way to make the post short and non-confrontational. After all these years, all the controversial threads I'd participated in over there - the notion that merely standing up for LBC, just asking whether the creators being interveiwed were familiar with the LBC Bombshell gets me banned? Wow.
SUPERECWFAN1
08-28-2006, 07:50 PM
My post to that Newsarama thread has been deleted and from what I can tell my posting ability has been removed. I'm kind of in shock - I had gone out of my way to make the post short and non-confrontational. After all these years, all the controversial threads I'd participated in over there - the notion that merely standing up for LBC, just asking whether the creators being interveiwed were familiar with the LBC Bombshell gets me banned? Wow.
I'm thinking the whole " Reputation Procedues You " applied here though. Granted I haven't seen your old replies and debating ect ect. But even though you didn't mean anything here , I'm sure it crossed their minds you were trying to start something.
It happens at times.
Crowley
08-28-2006, 07:51 PM
My post to that Newsarama thread has been deleted and from what I can tell my posting ability has been removed. I'm kind of in shock - I had gone out of my way to make the post short and non-confrontational. After all these years, all the controversial threads I'd participated in over there - the notion that merely standing up for LBC, just asking whether the creators being interveiwed were familiar with the LBC Bombshell gets me banned? Wow.
oh come on OMAR...
you're a notorious troll... you don't think they smelled that instantly?
Wingnut
08-29-2006, 03:22 AM
J-
First off, I hope you're feeling better, and your injuries are healing. I'm guessing that my back problems are not as bad as yours, but I understand from the ones I have how debilitating they can be.
As I think I said before, I'm not a comic fan. I'm here due to you. Still, from reading and seeing things here, I have a whole new respect for the art form an industry.
You asked for opinions, so I will give one. I'm not trying to be a, "basher", as you once said, but just giving an honest opinion.
Although there were problems with your earlier drawings of Bombshell, they were pretty good. I like the colored pic you use for your avatar. To me, the last b/w pic you displayed for Bombsell looks really bad. From the last couple of years of reading what you say about the comic, Bombshell is supposed to be HOT...and...as the name says, a, "Bombshell". The pic you posted here makes her look like Nicole Bass, or some other ugly roided femaile body-builder. Maybe you were trying to make her not-so-pretty to show how pissed she was. Maybe you have another reason for her look. I don't know.
All the other pics I've seen of you drawing her, (beyond any little nit-picky things I may have seen), she IS her name...explosively HOT. This last pic that you posted here not only doesn't do it for me, but REALLY turns me off.
Again, I'm an outsider here, so my opinion probably doesn't have much or any weight to it. I'm not trying to bash you...just giving you an honest opniion.
Best of luck on the comics and movie. Get well soon! I'll try to read more here after we get pounded by TS Ernesto, and get through a couple of games on our college football schedule.
Oh...and you can't spell, "scUM", w/o UM, (university of miami)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:25 AM
Yep... when broken down as the price per copy, from the 25-50,000 copies. Yes. You can get this kind of price out of almost any printer. I told you how in the other post. Just follow that and it can't fail. It never did for me.
J-:cool:
J-Bolt, could you clarify this for me please? Are you saying they'll only charge you 27 cents for each copy they make for you?
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:28 AM
There are quite a few printers that still use PageMaker, from what I've found, actually. The tiff idea is actually a good one. I had the posters printed as jpg and they came out great, but if I can get even better clarity out of printing tiff's, that would be even better.
J-:cool:
I'd say you'd be better off going with TIFFs or EPS files. Some imagesetters have problems with JPEGs colour-separating properly - most of the publications I've done ads for won't take JPEGs at all.
A lot of 'em won't take PageMaker anymore, either. But if you've got a print shop that will, no worries there. Just check it out beforehand.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:32 AM
Like I was saying, I did the poster as a high-res jpg. But I will look into the tiff files.
I usually print up my own color seps, so I don't have to worry that much about the CMYK. I learned that from the posters that came out with way too much cyan in them.
J-:cool:
J-Bolt, as Howyadoin said, you can't really use JPG's in PageMaker. The artwork should be saved as a TIFF file, the lettering in EPS. Make sure the lettering is converted to curves, or else you'll have to send the font files as well. If you do convert the lettering to curves (which I recommend), save a non-converted EPS file of the lettering just in case you need to go back in and edit. Also, if you are doing a color comic, you'll want to make sure the colors are all in CMYK. As far as I know, JPG files can only accomodate RPG colors-- which only work on computer screens. Printers cannot print from RPG colors. They'll have to convert them to CMYK, and will most likely charge you extra for doing so.
Just sayin'.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:37 AM
I'll find the file with that info for ya', then. If you print lower than 25k, it may cost a few cents more per copy, but you still can't beat that, at all. While I'm looking for it, you might want to do what I was telling you about, on faxing them to get comparitive pricing. You might even end up getting a better deal.
J-:cool:
Most of the printers I've talked to take PDFs. That's how I handle Honor Brigade and comixpress.
J-Bolt, even if that printer is in Las Vegas, I'd still use them. My current printer is in New Jersey while I'm in Chicago. I'll go where I can get the best price and that price, out of all the printers I've already talked to, is crazy. Especially on a color comic. I'd really like to contact them for a quote myself.
Of course that quote may be so low because of the absurdly huge print run. I'd be looking to print a more realistic number.
howyadoin
08-29-2006, 03:37 AM
There are quite a few printers that still use PageMaker, from what I've found, actually. The tiff idea is actually a good one. I had the posters printed as jpg and they came out great, but if I can get even better clarity out of printing tiff's, that would be even better.The thing with JPEGs is, saving them in that format can cause data loss, depending on the settings. TIFFs are generally a more lossless format. (But don't use LZW compression.)
The other thing is, a lot of imagesetters balk at JPEGs, whereas TIFFs are more universally accepted. And really, the only advantage to JPEGs is the amount of disk space they take up, and with most newer computers today, that's not much of an issue.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:41 AM
Yeah... and the printer I chose in Vegas has only 1 cent difference in price with stitching. For example, WLS#0 was chosen to be spined, instead of staples... and it only cost 1 cent more each. If you're doing spined graphic novel, higher priced comics (like WLS0 was planned on being), even 44 cents each is good, as long as the book has a cover price of over $5.
J-:cool:
If you were to use Brenner to print 25,000 copies of a 40pg color comic, with interiors on 50# white gloss, covers (color outside, b&w inside) on 70# gloss book, you'll be paying more than $0.44 per copy. You might be able to get it significantly lower if you print 50,000 copies, but nobody outside of Marvel and DC is selling those kinds of numbers. Image's top-selling book in July (Witchblade #100) sold just under 34,000 copies. Darkhorse's top-selling book (Star Wars Legacy #2) sold less than 33,500. If you are planning on selling comics outside of comic shops, where you probably won't be able to sell them on a non-returnable basis, you'll need to count on printing and distributing 3 copies for every one you sell-- which is one of the reasons why you don't see comics on newsstands anymore.
[Edited to correct grammer. Okay, and now spelling, too.]
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:47 AM
No, not a defense... I was floored that such a comment was given to me in the first place. The day I have to DEFEND my art is the day I quit. That may be what some would want, but I won't be made to be defensive about my work. I said what I did because I felt that the remark given to me was tacky and I don't want to get into another war... so, I made that statement. From now on, I won't be responding at all to statements such as that... or this one... because it goes to show that there are still some who don't like me personally and will fish to find whatever they can say to try and make me look bad. just taking pot shots at me, undeserved.
J-:cool:
that's your defense ? other people are worse than me? when someone says something like that to me when I'm giving them a portfolio review, the review is over.
that stuff is amateurish at best, and believe me, I'm holding back cause Gail asked that we keep it civil.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:52 AM
My Friend... I wish that's the feeling that was behind my work being called "fun," in that statement, but it wasn't. Considering the rest of his statement, "fun" was short for "funny," and/or "funny-looking," in my reading of it. I'm sure it does to you and others who read it open-minedly also, when you think about it. Now if he said it was "fun" without saying, before-hand, that he felt the anatomy was bad, I would've felt it to be a compliment also.
Anyway, I just wanted for everyone to get a peak at a page I'd just finished for the book and show that I'm working my ass off to get it together, so that everybody can enjoy it sooner than they had expected before the cease-fire.
J-:cool:
Dude, given the current state of comics, I think "fun" is the highest compliment anyone could give.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:55 AM
I never said that the cover and such weren't counted... I said they weren't numbered (physically) that I've ever seen.
Like I said, I'll find that file, with the printer's info, and get it up here for everyone to shoot for.
J-:cool:
that's exactly what I was about to say... when I FTP stuff for freelance clients and at DDP we NEVER use Jpegs.
CMYK 300 DPI TIFFs Embedded into Illustrator generated EPSs linked in INDESIGN files and then PDFed.
and Jbolt,
I've never heard of a print company ever not counting cover, back, IFC and IBC... or the ads. But then the 27 cent per color book rate I've also never heard of...
would love to know what printer is giving you such a great deal.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 03:57 AM
PRECISELY. THANK YOU, MAC.
That's exactly what I've been trying to say.
J-:cool:
I think you guys are talking about different things.
Of course the printer counts all the pages, but when comics pages are numbered, it's usually only the story pages that have visible numbers on them. J-Bolt intoends to skip the ad pages and number the story pages sequentially, using his pretty numbers that he made.
I can't remember the last time I saw a comic with page numbers, but I wish they did it more often. Many times I've read a review or an interview with an artist or a letters page in which somebody referred to a given page of a story, and I had to go back and count the pages to fine the one they were tlaking about, and it's annoying.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:02 AM
I love doing the old way stuff, too. That's why I've worked so hard to try and bring back even the old, fun, type of ads back. I got a guy that does the old science kits, except that he sells the current technology stuff, but I want all those old great ads back. I'm just working on getting the current versions of them. The Sea-monkeys are a bitch to get. I've been trying to get the people who sell the REAL x-ray specs, but it's difficult since the real ones are illegal. But, it would be fun to get it in there.
J-:cool:
Re-read you copy of Honor Brigade #1, Mac. I do page numbers.
I'm a firm believer in some of the old comic staples. Page numbers, word balloons, letter pages, and back-up stories. You'll see all of these come into play eventually in Honor Brigade.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:04 AM
I believe the same way. That's why I still use thought balloons and narrative boxes ONLY for story narration, unless it would look better in a different fashion.
J-:cool:
You're right, Tom, you did use page numbers. Now if only Marvel & DC would see the value in them.
While we're at it, how about thought balloons? I think this caption business is a poor substitute.
Does DC really think because they color the caption box blue and but Superman's logo next to it, I'm not going to realize that it's a good old fashioned thought balloon dressed up for today's snobby readers? It's a thought balloon; don't dress it up, go for it. Put the line of bubbles leading from the hero's cranium, put the text in a fluffy cloud-shaped balloon. It won't kill you.
So sue me, I'm old-school.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:09 AM
Quite a few people have their own Bombshell. For some reason, it seems like the IN thing to come up with: your own Bombshell. I've just got it as a main title character. Hell... even Transformers has a Bombshell. It doesn't worry me a bit.
J-:cool:
I don't know how to do this except to just do it. The image below has been released as part of a Newsarama interview (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/titans/TonyDaniel/Daniel.html) with Tony Daniel. These are characters that will be appearing in Teen Titans in the near future.
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/titans/TonyDaniel/Bombshell_youngfrankenstein.jpg
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:11 AM
No problem. When I first created my BombShell, nobody had one. And I wanted to create one based on a stereo-typical blond bombshell. That's why I made her to look the way she does, besides the fact that the revealing costume is a tool for her motives.
J-:cool:
I think both parties are okay sharing the say name. Now if both character shared the same concept and background that would be different.
To be honest, I like Daniel's Bombshell a whole lot better. Less is definately more in this case. She looks like a deadly piece of work as opposed to BombShell's overblown quality, no pun intended.
The BombShell design has never really appealed to me. It's sort of a 13 year old fanboy's idea of what a cool female superhero should look like. I haven't been 13 for many years.
Different tastes for different people. It's just not my taste.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:15 AM
Mark & Steph Heike made the big deal, being owners in AC Comics with their 1984 Bolt. I had the problem with them because they wanted me to drop mine in order to work for me. Once I proved that mine was copyrighted in 1981, before theirs, and refused to give mine up, they're the ones who went to the extremes. Nobody else's Bolt's nor Bombshell's are like mine and, as long as they stay that way, along with not being a main character like mine, there won't be a problem.
J-:cool:
I agree. It's the same reason there can be two Captains called Marvel. But, man, this ain't gonna be pretty. I seem to remember an extreme reaction to a 'Bolt' that came out from a publisher awhile back.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:17 AM
They already had one in a Batman Beyond episode a few years ago, from what I understand. Like I said, there's not going to be a problem as long as they don't make their's a copy of mine.
J-:cool:
Theres now gonna be a character at DC called Bombshell ? This is priceless comedy at its best. ;)
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:20 AM
Thank you for the compliments but please wait to make your opinions on my writing until WLS1 and/or BombShell1 come out, so that you can actually see my comic-writing skills. WLS0 and the Ashcan is not an example of my writing. They were long-time done experiments that didn't have the results I was hoping for.
As soon as Gail finishes the BombShell script, she can give input on my story-telling, writing ability.
By the way... I will be having more writers.
J-:cool:
J-bolt you are an incredible artist, whose style would easily fit into the comic book world. You only flaw is that your writing can use some polishing, which is insignificant when factored against your considerable artistic skill. Have you ever considered taking on several collaborators to strengthen the areas that you are weak in?
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:23 AM
Omar...
Thanks for the thoughts but remember... we haven't established that they've copied mine yet. If so, there will be trouble. In the meantime, those who came up with a Bombshell after mine only goes to show the old addage of it being a compliment that mine is good enough for everyone else to want to make their own. They just need to keep in mind that they should keep theirs way different from mine.
J-:cool:
This business with Bombshell being stolen has made me sick to my stomach. I posted a polite inquiry to that Newsarama thread; hopefully this can be straightened out before publication.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:25 AM
Actually, Lester, please remember that I created mine in 1994 and introduced her into public in 1999, 7 years ago. But, as I said before, mine was created on the busty blond bombshell aspect, at first... and the story entails that.
J-:cool:
To be fair to Tony Daniels, Bombshell has been used to describe blond busty characters for decades now. I can even think of two other comic book characters that had that name before J-bolt invented that character six years ago.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:34 AM
Well... maybe there's something to them getting the idea from me, then and did a "thou doth protest too much" thing. Remember that, when I introduced my BombShell in '99, it was a big thing that everybody was talking about because of all the controversy that came from the war that started then. If they banned you because of it and deleted the post, they just might not want people to get the sources of everything and see that mine was first big public news in '99, as I got press out to everybody about it (which, again, was what got even the negative attention on me that made the war). Don't feel bad about it... consider it a victory. Because I guarantee that people saw the post before they deleted it and have already started researching and probably even wrote them about it themselves, which would explain why they panicked and deleted it, then banned you. You made them aware that people know that the possibility exists, Man.
About 5 years ago is when I heard that DC put a Bombshell character in a Batman Beyond episode, so I left DC messages asking them about it. They refused to respond. Obviously, some nerves have been hit at DC with ALL this.
Thanks again,
J-:cool:
My post to that Newsarama thread has been deleted and from what I can tell my posting ability has been removed. I'm kind of in shock - I had gone out of my way to make the post short and non-confrontational. After all these years, all the controversial threads I'd participated in over there - the notion that merely standing up for LBC, just asking whether the creators being interveiwed were familiar with the LBC Bombshell gets me banned? Wow.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:37 AM
Wouldn't you agree that MANY people could be considered with that term for expressing THEIR opinions concerning me, my company and/or my characters? Don't judge so quickly, Man.
J-:cool:
oh come on OMAR...
you're a notorious troll... you don't think they smelled that instantly?
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 04:43 AM
Thanks for your well-wishes on my injuries. I've had back problems for quite a while now, and tht added injury DEFINITELY didn't help.
As for your opinion, I respect it completely. Actually, yes, I meant for her to look more intimidating than hot in that splash page and it might have even looked better if I could've gotten a better res pic of it up here, but I had MAJOR troubles getting that up.
I promise that BombShell looks better. That splash was for her opening scene, after killing 6 people and announcing, over the smouldering corpse, "by the way... my name is BombShell."
Thanks for your opinion. I do respect it completely.
J-:cool:
J-
First off, I hope you're feeling better, and your injuries are healing. I'm guessing that my back problems are not as bad as yours, but I understand from the ones I have how debilitating they can be.
As I think I said before, I'm not a comic fan. I'm here due to you. Still, from reading and seeing things here, I have a whole new respect for the art form an industry.
You asked for opinions, so I will give one. I'm not trying to be a, "basher", as you once said, but just giving an honest opinion.
Although there were problems with your earlier drawings of Bombshell, they were pretty good. I like the colored pic you use for your avatar. To me, the last b/w pic you displayed for Bombsell looks really bad. From the last couple of years of reading what you say about the comic, Bombshell is supposed to be HOT...and...as the name says, a, "Bombshell". The pic you posted here makes her look like Nicole Bass, or some other ugly roided femaile body-builder. Maybe you were trying to make her not-so-pretty to show how pissed she was. Maybe you have another reason for her look. I don't know.
All the other pics I've seen of you drawing her, (beyond any little nit-picky things I may have seen), she IS her name...explosively HOT. This last pic that you posted here not only doesn't do it for me, but REALLY turns me off.
Again, I'm an outsider here, so my opinion probably doesn't have much or any weight to it. I'm not trying to bash you...just giving you an honest opniion.
Best of luck on the comics and movie. Get well soon! I'll try to read more here after we get pounded by TS Ernesto, and get through a couple of games on our college football schedule.
Oh...and you can't spell, "scUM", w/o UM, (university of miami)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 05:10 AM
Hey Guys...
I just thought of an idea that I'm going to put into the site now. Many different character and personality sites have a gallery for people to send their own artwork, so I'm going to put one in now also. What it's for is for anyone who wants to send their own rendition of LBE characters to fangallery@lightningboltentertainment.com, I'll put it into that gallery so that everybody can see your own work. It's great for aspiring artists or pros who want their work seen, comic page or one-shot poses, or whatever. And it's just something fun to put in the site which makes it even more interactive.
I just wanted to let you know, in case any of you want to put something in there.
J-:cool:
TomStillwell
08-29-2006, 08:19 AM
In the meantime, those who came up with a Bombshell after mine only goes to show the old addage of it being a compliment that mine is good enough for everyone else to want to make their own. They just need to keep in mind that they should keep theirs way different from mine.
Well, to be realistic and fair you have to remember that 99.9% of the comic industry doesn't know you or your characters exist. It's kind of hard to imitate or even swipe anything from BombShell when they have no experience or knowledge of the character.
J-Bolt, I think you really need to sit back and take a realistic look at your situation. It seems to me you're banking a lot on the belief that the masses are waiting in anticipation for your work. In reality, few people outside of this forum even know who you are or what projects you're working on.
I say this not to tear you down. I say this out of concern for another creator setting himself up for a great fall. I don't want to see anybody put themselves in such a position, especially when a good dose of reality and more cautious planning can turn that fall into a triumph.
You have talent and drive...you just need to temper them with objectivity.
Dreadstar
08-29-2006, 09:02 AM
I just have to compliment all the folk for burying the hatchet in this thread. Believe me I appreciate it, because I don't know the last time I've been this entertained.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 09:17 AM
Tom...
I severely appreciate you being upfront with me, but I'm not being unrealistic or such. I know the majority of the comic book industry doesn't know me, but far more than you give credit for does know me.
The reason I say this is that, as everybody knows, in 1999, when I put BombShell out in the public, I went nuts on sending out press releases. I first did this for the poster and Ashcan, which comicon.com dedicated a webpage to the poster. After that, when the BombShell movie fell into my lap, and with Rena Mero's acceptance of the role in February of 2000, I went even MORE nuts in getting press releases out.
Well, the 1999 press got a lot of attention from the comic community, albeit a lot of it was negative. This is when the Warren Ellis forum, then the YABS forum and I started our 'incidents'. It was first started when Gail sent me an e-mail, letting me know about the Ellis forum and YABS cuts at me, saying that I'm a laughing stock in the comic book community. When I started responding back, trying to win everybody over, that just made it become even more prevalent.
The more I announced accomplishments with the BombShell film project, the more attention was achieved where anyone who knows anyone involved with the Ellis or YABS forums knew precisely who I am, negotiating their own opinion of the matter. Everytime I got a new cast/crew member, a rumor was e-mailed to me involving the film, or a film industry professional gave their input on the project, I added that to the available infomration super highway. The more I did this, the more people knew me.
There was a Lightning Bolt Comics fanclub in Japan started by a [then] 12 year old girl and a few others came and went over that time, since 1999. Now, if I was so unknown, this wouldn't be possible... would it?
I'm not doing any hype to you right now, being unrealistic or whatever you might have thought. I'm just explaining that I'm not being delusional, but there are plenty of people out there who know who I am, my company, and/or my company projects. I don't know how many. There's no way to know that, especially right now, but I do know that it is much more than .1% of the comic book community.
Now... since I haven't done any hype in quite a while, I'm sure most of the people who know of me have forgotten about me. After all... out of sight, out of mind. But, they'll be reminded again once this National press hits, after I get the signature of my newest cast member.
I can even guarantee that, after this announcement of the new cast member is made on TV entertainment news, there's going to be A LOT of people talking about it. I'd love to be able to tell you who it is (which, then, you'd know why it's going to be so talked about), but there are still those who would make calls, which could possibly hurt their involvement with the project. I will say that the reason it'll be so talked about is because this cast member is a VERY controversial figure who half the World absolutely, positively hates, while the other half supports him to a great level.
The best thing in the World for this new cast member is not to talk in detail about it until after the news has hit on TV. The reason for that is that those who are being open-minded with me to not make such confirming calls will automatically have it confirmed on National TV for them, by the actor personally, while those who wouldn't want it to happen wouldn't be able to make the calls that could damage it. So, please don't ask me who it is or any information about that. Just know that the actor and I will both personally be announcing it... and they're such a controversial figure that all the press wants in on the story about it, as I was straight out asked by the first one immediately upon getting this actor's contact information (they called immediately to ask me to let them know the minute the actor signs on so that they can get the first crack at an interview with us). I can't say which National TV news that is for the same reasons I can't say who the actor is.
So anyway, you can understand that I'm not being delusional or such. What I've just reminded you about, here, should explain my responses.
Thanks,
J-:cool:
Well, to be realistic and fair you have to remember that 99.9% of the comic industry doesn't know you or your characters exist. It's kind of hard to imitate or even swipe anything from BombShell when they have no experience or knowledge of the character.
J-Bolt, I think you really need to sit back and take a realistic look at your situation. It seems to me you're banking a lot on the belief that the masses are waiting in anticipation for your work. In reality, few people outside of this forum even know who you are or what projects you're working on.
I say this not to tear you down. I say this out of concern for another creator setting himself up for a great fall. I don't want to see anybody put themselves in such a position, especially when a good dose of reality and more cautious planning can turn that fall into a triumph.
You have talent and drive...you just need to temper them with objectivity.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 09:19 AM
Hopefully, that is a GOOD entertainment value.
J-:rolleyes:
I just have to compliment all the folk for burying the hatchet in this thread. Believe me I appreciate it, because I don't know the last time I've been this entertained.
TomStillwell
08-29-2006, 09:33 AM
So anyway, you can understand that I'm not being delusional or such. What I've just reminded you about, here, should explain my responses.
No, actually you just confirmed the delusional nature of your claims. Nothing you just said has any basis in reality as far as anyone knows. None of it can be backed up with actual facts. They are just things you say to be true.
I'm thinking about starting a poll on my myspace page. Among my friends network are some pretty important people in comics: Best selling writers, fan favorite artists, publishers, editors, and media. These are all people in the know of what's going on in comics.
I'll ask them just one question and see what they say.
Who is J-Bolt?
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 09:40 AM
OK... tell me exactly what parts of that last post you find not to have any actual facts, and are delusional. And I'll do my best to prove them to you. Most of those things, involving the forums, can be backed up by Mac, Gail and anyone else who has been on this since its beginning.
As for your poll... that would be a great idea. It'll give an idea of what people know right now.
J-:)
No, actually you just confirmed the delusional nature of your claims. Nothing you just said has any basis in reality as far as anyone knows. None of it can be backed up with actual facts. They are just things you say to be true.
I'm thinking about starting a poll on my myspace page. Among my friends network are some pretty important people in comics: Best selling writers, fan favorite artists, publishers, editors, and media. These are all people in the know of what's going on in comics.
I'll ask them just one question and see what they say.
Who is J-Bolt?
Dreadstar
08-29-2006, 09:51 AM
Hopefully, that is a GOOD entertainment value.
It's free, therefore it's great value. Anything that entertains me is "good," by definition. But that's not important, just an observation.
Any ballpark timeframe on this national TV announcement?
Crowley
08-29-2006, 09:53 AM
J-bolt,
I'm in my office right now and I asked them if they've heard of you... this is ten dudes who currently work in comics.
they all said no.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 09:58 AM
All I can say is as soon as the actor signs, I'm supposed to call 'em and it'll get scheduled. Obviously, there's no way to know when they'll sign.
J-:cool:
It's free, therefore it's great value. Anything that entertains me is "good," by definition. But that's not important, just an observation.
Any ballpark timeframe on this national TV announcement?
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:00 AM
That's 10 down... 10 million more to go.:cool:
J-bolt,
I'm in my office right now and I asked them if they've heard of you... this is ten dudes who currently work in comics.
they all said no.
Matt Algren
08-29-2006, 10:07 AM
All I can say is as soon as the actor signs, I'm supposed to call 'em and it'll get scheduled. Obviously, there's no way to know when they'll sign.
J-:cool:
Kathy Griffin IS Bombshell!!!
http://www.kathygriffin.net/pics/2pic3.gif
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:13 AM
That's too funny:D
Kathy Griffin IS Bombshell!!!
http://www.kathygriffin.net/pics/2pic3.gif
TomStillwell
08-29-2006, 10:20 AM
The reason I say this is that, as everybody knows, in 1999, when I put BombShell out in the public, I went nuts on sending out press releases. I first did this for the poster and Ashcan, which comicon.com dedicated a webpage to the poster. After that, when the BombShell movie fell into my lap, and with Rena Mero's acceptance of the role in February of 2000, I went even MORE nuts in getting press releases out.
Can you prove that anyone took these press releases seriously? Anyone can send out press releases. That doesn't make them news people care about. Can you show us that these press releases gained any interest?
There was a Lightning Bolt Comics fanclub in Japan started by a [then] 12 year old girl and a few others came and went over that time, since 1999. Now, if I was so unknown, this wouldn't be possible... would it?
Can you prove that any of these clubs existed or do still exist?
Everytime I got a new cast/crew member, a rumor was e-mailed to me involving the film, or a film industry professional gave their input on the project, I added that to the available infomration super highway. The more I did this, the more people knew me.
Can you prove this? Which film professionals were/are you involved with?
The more I announced accomplishments with the BombShell film project, the more attention was achieved where anyone who knows anyone involved with the Ellis or YABS forums knew precisely who I am, negotiating their own opinion of the matter.
Can you prove that people actually knew about or even cared about BombShell, a movie that to date years later, hasn't been filmed? Can you prove that people who actually do know about the movie ever believe it will be filmed given various claims by you that have been found to be untrue concerning the project?
There's no way to know that, especially right now, but I do know that it is much more than .1% of the comic book community.
How do you know this? You've displayed often that you're out of touch with the comic book industry. What makes you believe this?
I can even guarantee that, after this announcement of the new cast member is made on TV entertainment news, there's going to be A LOT of people talking about it.
How can you guarantee this? Is this again based on the assumption people are anxiously awaiting BombShell news or even know about the film?
that all the press wants in on the story about it, as I was straight out asked by the first one immediately upon getting this actor's contact information (they called immediately to ask me to let them know the minute the actor signs on so that they can get the first crack at an interview with us).
Can you prove any part of this claim?
I have a feeling none of this questions will be answered but you said to go ahead and ask.
Crowley
08-29-2006, 10:35 AM
yeah I mean honestly Jbolt...
I've got my name in maybe 100 comics in the past year, I've also had my name on a few illustrations in two anthologies in the last year...
and I'm certain I'm not remotely on Marvel or DC's radar.
you're saying that you are after an ashcan 5 years ago?
seems unlikely man.
Dreadstar
08-29-2006, 11:21 AM
All I can say is as soon as the actor signs, I'm supposed to call 'em and it'll get scheduled. Obviously, there's no way to know when they'll sign.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as is customary.
Lacking a significant signing and viable press release, I'll change my tune on September 1st, 2007.
A year is more than generous.
howyadoin
08-29-2006, 11:43 AM
Kathy Griffin IS Bombshell!!!
http://www.kathygriffin.net/pics/2pic3.gifShame about her face.
Dreadstar
08-29-2006, 11:55 AM
Shame about her face.
Dude, you keep those paper grocery bags for a reason, y'know?
Crowley
08-29-2006, 05:31 PM
No, not a defense... I was floored that such a comment was given to me in the first place. The day I have to DEFEND my art is the day I quit. That may be what some would want, but I won't be made to be defensive about my work. I said what I did because I felt that the remark given to me was tacky and I don't want to get into another war... so, I made that statement. From now on, I won't be responding at all to statements such as that... or this one... because it goes to show that there are still some who don't like me personally and will fish to find whatever they can say to try and make me look bad. just taking pot shots at me, undeserved.
J-:cool:
that's ridiculous... if you can't recognize that your work lack basic proportion and anatomy then I really can't help you man.
Yep... when broken down as the price per copy, from the 25-50,000 copies. Yes. You can get this kind of price out of almost any printer. I told you how in the other post. Just follow that and it can't fail. It never did for me.
I find this HIGHLY dubious. If such a deal on printing exists the company I work for would be on it... as would Dark Horse, Marvel and DC.
the average comic costs 2.99 and we're to believe that you've found a way to narrow production cost to about 1/6?
HIGHLY unlikely.
My Friend... I wish that's the feeling that was behind my work being called "fun," in that statement, but it wasn't. Considering the rest of his statement, "fun" was short for "funny," and/or "funny-looking," in my reading of it. I'm sure it does to you and others who read it open-minedly also, when you think about it. Now if he said it was "fun" without saying, before-hand, that he felt the anatomy was bad, I would've felt it to be a compliment also.
Anyway, I just wanted for everyone to get a peak at a page I'd just finished for the book and show that I'm working my ass off to get it together, so that everybody can enjoy it sooner than they had expected before the cease-fire.
you ANATOMY IS OFF! As is your Proportion!
This is NOT a bash! It's constructive criticism!
After I graduated art school, I went back to basics months later and went back to life drawing class to sharpen my skills:
http://www.crowleyart.net/gallery/albums/sketchbook/Jackie.sized.jpg
that sketch in the left hand corner is my instructor and I readjusted what needed to be corrected in the drawing.
NONE of us are perfect... Constructive criticism is the tool to LEARN and GROW.
"Fun" is a compliment... regardless of your skill, you seem to at least take some joy in doing it. That shines through the bad anatomy, proportions and compositions... but you need MAJOR work!
Wouldn't you agree that MANY people could be considered with that term for expressing THEIR opinions concerning me, my company and/or my characters? Don't judge so quickly, Man.
J-:cool:
What company? It's just you dude.
and as I said people here aren't trashing you or trolling you... they're calling you on what appears to be BS.
Lester C.
08-29-2006, 05:54 PM
Whoohooo......I was getting withdrawl symptoms!
I'm off to re-read the Ashcan!!! (http://www.lightning-bolt-comics.com/Comics/Ashcan/WLS0ashcan1.html)
That post is over two years old J-bolt. If you don't mind me asking what happened that saw such a huge delay?
Clement
08-29-2006, 08:23 PM
No, not a defense... I was floored that such a comment was given to me in the first place. The day I have to DEFEND my art is the day I quit. That may be what some would want, but I won't be made to be defensive about my work. I said what I did because I felt that the remark given to me was tacky and I don't want to get into another war... so, I made that statement. From now on, I won't be responding at all to statements such as that... or this one... because it goes to show that there are still some who don't like me personally and will fish to find whatever they can say to try and make me look bad. just taking pot shots at me, undeserved.
J-:cool:
You were FLOORED? Man, how out of touch with reality are you exactly? And I'm not even talking about your fictionnal companies and all those insane conspiracies about people trying to bring the j-bolt down.
You are simply not a professionnal level comic book artist artist. It's as simple as that.
You wanna put out your own comic with your own money, more power to you, but let's keep this shit semi-real.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:04 PM
Now, anyone who has had to do with the subject of 'J-Bolt' on YABS for the past 6 years or so, can answer most of these questions. Hell, even somoene who has paid attention to THIS string of posts for the past MONTH can answer a few of them. I'll answer as many of these as is humorous for what was earlier described as "entertainment value," but then I'm going to go by what I've just noticed and reduce my visits to this forum because I'm noticing that no matter what changes I've made to accomodate people, there are still those that just don't remember what was said by members of YABS or anything else. It appears that too many people just live for the moment on J-Bolt opinions, forgetting what they, their friends on this board, or I have said, since all this started, and since the cease-fire. Obviously, I just need to work and stop trying to prove myself as genuine to people who will never appreciate, nor remember it.
Can you prove that anyone took these press releases seriously? Anyone can send out press releases. That doesn't make them news people care about. Can you show us that these press releases gained any interest?
You can certainly see that the press releases got attention with YABS and the Ellis forum, otherwise all this wouldn't have been taking place for the past 6+ years.
Can you prove that any of these clubs existed or do still exist?
I told you that the Japan fan site closed down quite a while ago. I haven't done any searches to see if there are any new ones and I don't care to. As I stated, since I've been 'out of sight, out of mind,' I'm sure qite a few fans have forgotten about me as a fad of the time, until I give something new, which the news about the new cast member will give. Until then, I'm sure that 90% of any conversation about me, my company, or my projects are done in these forums.
Can you prove this? Which film professionals were/are you involved with?
I've already clearly stated that I'm not going to give names of people involved with the film, except for those who it is publicly known have given such credit, for the reason of people who would start the calls again. Otherwise, you can get confirmation by looking at what caused this cease-fire, when it was established by my former publicist, Judith Moose, that what I've said is true, as well as Jackson Bostwick briefly confirming his involvement in the film.
Can you prove that people actually knew about or even cared about BombShell, a movie that to date years later, hasn't been filmed? Can you prove that people who actually do know about the movie ever believe it will be filmed given various claims by you that have been found to be untrue concerning the project?
It's also been established that I cannot provide the LOI's or LOC's of the cast/crew involved in the film because of iron-clad Confidentiality Clauses. That would be the only way to prove who is attached to the film.
By the way, as I've said repeatedly, and cannot be disputed, I've shown that I am indeed making a film, and getting the money together myself, just short of the last $100,000, while DC, Marvel, and others have never been disputed, like I have been (and am being here again) when they've had ample availability to ALL resources to make a film, especially the funds to do so, without having to drum up investors, and yet still take 10 years and more to get a film out... if at all. In that respect, can you prove that DC/Warner Bros. is truly making a Wonder Woman movie, for example? They've talked about it and given SEVERAL DIFFERENT casting of the actresses for the lead role over the past 10 years alone. Yet... they never show anything except new casting for the role again and again... and I HAVE.
How do you know this? You've displayed often that you're out of touch with the comic book industry. What makes you believe this?
Because of the word generated about me, showing me to even be INfamous with boards like this and the Ellis forum. By the way... I've NEVER displayed that I'm out of touch with the comic book industry. I've said that I have my own ways of doing things, so anything that doesn't apply to what choose to do, I don't know about because I don't plan on using it.
How can you guarantee this? Is this again based on the assumption people are anxiously awaiting BombShell news or even know about the film?
For one, people DO know about the film and that's been long established, but the main reason is because as I've CLEARLY said, this actor is an extremely controversial figure who is clamored upon everytime they address the National entertainment press.
Can you prove any part of this claim?
I just did. Others such as Mac and Gail can back most of it up, except for that which Mac understands, that I cannot disclose proof that is backed up with Confidentiality Clauses.
I have a feeling none of this questions will be answered but you said to go ahead and ask.
Yet again... you're proven wrong here, too.
MacQuarrie
08-29-2006, 10:10 PM
OK... tell me exactly what parts of that last post you find not to have any actual facts, and are delusional. And I'll do my best to prove them to you. Most of those things, involving the forums, can be backed up by Mac, Gail and anyone else who has been on this since its beginning.
You rang?
Okay, a fair and balanced, honest examination of J-Bolt's claims:
severely appreciate you being upfront with me, but I'm not being unrealistic or such. I know the majority of the comic book industry doesn't know me, but far more than you give credit for does know me.
If we accept the dictum that "all publicity is good publicity," then there are many people who know of you or have heard of you. They may not remember your name or the name of your comic company and characters, but they have heard of you. Either here or at the Ellis or Millar forums, or a few other forums, blogs, pages, whatever. Some have heard about you in conversation at conventions. I can't say how much of this discussion is flattering, but if all you want is your name mentioned, that has happened. I'm not sure how that translates to sales, but that's a different question.
The reason I say this is that, as everybody knows, in 1999, when I put BombShell out in the public, I went nuts on sending out press releases. I first did this for the poster and Ashcan, which comicon.com dedicated a webpage to the poster. After that, when the BombShell movie fell into my lap, and with Rena Mero's acceptance of the role in February of 2000, I went even MORE nuts in getting press releases out.
"Everybody" meaning everybody here. I didn't see or hear anything in the news or even at fan-centric sites like AICN. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means I didn't see it.
You mentioned before that comicon.com awarded your poster the "Notoriety award." Notoriety is generally accepted to mean less-than-flattering attention, as when Omar was recently labeled a "notorious troll." In other words, the mention at Comicon may not be a positive one. I didn't see it or read what they wrote, so I can't really say, I'm just going by the title you described.
Also, Comicon.com is not associated or affiliated with any of the major comics conventions; it's just another comics site like CBR, so their "award" doesn't really carry a lot of weight.
Well, the 1999 press got a lot of attention from the comic community, albeit a lot of it was negative. This is when the Warren Ellis forum, then the YABS forum and I started our 'incidents'. It was first started when Gail sent me an e-mail, letting me know about the Ellis forum and YABS cuts at me, saying that I'm a laughing stock in the comic book community. When I started responding back, trying to win everybody over, that just made it become even more prevalent.
Before you started trying to win everybody over, you got pretty defensive. (To be expected, but anyway... ) You did at one point try to make peace (I mean before this time), but it didn't last long, mostly due to relentless challenges from the likes of me.
The more I announced accomplishments with the BombShell film project, the more attention was achieved where anyone who knows anyone involved with the Ellis or YABS forums knew precisely who I am, negotiating their own opinion of the matter. Everytime I got a new cast/crew member, a rumor was e-mailed to me involving the film, or a film industry professional gave their input on the project, I added that to the available infomration super highway. The more I did this, the more people knew me.
The total membership of the YABS and Ellis forums combined would not fill a theater for a single screening. There were at the most another dozen or so people posting at IMDB, and if you subtract all the sock-puppets, maybe another five or six people on your old Bravenet forums. The truth of the matter is that over the last five years, maybe a few thousand people have read about you online. When I was working on Ken Kreagen's "The Power to Win" infomercial for his "Life is a Contact Sport" book and seminars, he told me that people need to hear about something at least three times in a short period of time from three different sources before it registers with them and makes an impression. The number of people who may have read about you at YABS AND seen your website AND read your profile at IMDB is an exceptionally small number of people.
I'm not arguing with you about how much exposure you've had, I'm questioning how effective it's been.
There was a Lightning Bolt Comics fanclub in Japan started by a [then] 12 year old girl and a few others came and went over that time, since 1999. Now, if I was so unknown, this wouldn't be possible... would it?
Fan club or fan page? There is a difference. Fan clubs have members, meetings, newsletters, events, and so on. Fan pages are something one can
throw together in half an hour and post, and they may not always be serious. For example, over at Monkey Spit, we posted a fake fanpage for Felix Silla (http://www.monkeyspit.com/sites/fansite/), the actor who played Twiki on Buck Rogers and Cousin Itt on the Addams Family. The page is clearly a gag, making fun of some of the more pathetic sites out there... but I got e-mail from Silla's neice thanking us for putting up a fan page. Don't get me wrong, I am a Felix Silla fan, but we really picked him for his obscurity, not his fame. The fan club you mentioned may have been genuine. I don't know. I've never seen it. You say it was there, and I accept that. I disagree with you as to its importance or impact.
... to be continued...
MacQuarrie
08-29-2006, 10:11 PM
... part deux....
I'm not doing any hype to you right now, being unrealistic or whatever you might have thought. I'm just explaining that I'm not being delusional, but there are plenty of people out there who know who I am, my company, and/or my company projects. I don't know how many. There's no way to know that, especially right now, but I do know that it is much more than .1% of the comic book community.
When you say "comic book community" do you mean fans, fans who post online (half the US is still not on the net), comics pros, or fans and pros combined? As far as I can tell, J-Bolt, Bombshell and Lightning Bolt Comics are only known online. The mainstream media barely covers comics stories at all, so if there had been any mention of you or your projects over the last 5 years, you would have mentioned it on your site, as you did the one article about Adam West that mentioned Bombshell. Since you haven't mentioned them, I think it's safe to say that they haven't happened. So only people online know about you. Not all comics fans go to comics sites. I know a lot who don't, including people who work at or own comics shops. In other words, not all the comics fans and pros who are online (50%) actually follow any comics news online. Conservatively speaking, maybe half the comics people online ever visit any comics sites. So 25% of the audience has even had the opportunity to hear of you. Of those, maybe 10% happened to visit a site that mentioned you and read the article. In other words, a generous estimate is that under the best of circumstances, maybe 2.5% of comics readers have ever had a chance to hear of you.
That's not a criticism of you, just pure math. Fact is, CBR has had user registration for about 5 years or so, and they still have fewer than 20,000 members, many of whom never return after their first visit.
Even so, if every comics reader in the US went to see your movie, it would still be a flop if it didn't bring in the mainstream audience. There's apaprently no buzz out there to make that happen. Almost all your publicity is within the comics community.
Now... since I haven't done any hype in quite a while, I'm sure most of the people who know of me have forgotten about me. After all... out of sight, out of mind. But, they'll be reminded again once this National press hits, after I get the signature of my newest cast member.
There's really not much of a National press anymore, what with cable and satellite fracturing the audience. It used to be that everybody watched Walter Cronkite and everybody heard Rona Barrett's entertainment reports, but it ain't that way anymore. Even if you were on Entertainment Tonight and in People magazine, you still wouldn't have "national" press.We don't all watch or read the same thing anymore.
I can even guarantee that, after this announcement of the new cast member is made on TV entertainment news, there's going to be A LOT of people talking about it. I'd love to be able to tell you who it is (which, then, you'd know why it's going to be so talked about), but there are still those who would make calls, which could possibly hurt their involvement with the project. I will say that the reason it'll be so talked about is because this cast member is a VERY controversial figure who half the World absolutely, positively hates, while the other half supports him to a great level.
Making calls is what's supposed to happen. If you signed, say, Harrison Ford to a role, his agent's phone would ring for a week solid with people calling to ask questions or schedule interviews. That's part of the publicity machine.
But anyway, you can't guarantee publicity. You can send out press releases all you want, but you can't make the papers run them. you can hope for it, but anything can happen. By the time the news gets out, your star may have fallen out of favor.
The best thing in the World for this new cast member is not to talk in detail about it until after the news has hit on TV. The reason for that is that those who are being open-minded with me to not make such confirming calls will automatically have it confirmed on National TV for them, by the actor personally, while those who wouldn't want it to happen wouldn't be able to make the calls that could damage it.
Obviously. That's what you should do with all your cast and crew.
So, please don't ask me who it is or any information about that. Just know that the actor and I will both personally be announcing it... and they're such a controversial figure that all the press wants in on the story about it, as I was straight out asked by the first one immediately upon getting this actor's contact information (they called immediately to ask me to let them know the minute the actor signs on so that they can get the first crack at an interview with us). I can't say which National TV news that is for the same reasons I can't say who the actor is.
You lost me. How did this national news person find out that you had contacted the actor in question? Are you saying that this news person is the one who gave you the contact information? I'm confused.
Anyway, long and short of it, the stuff you mentioned that happened in the past actually happened, but I disagree with you as to the importance or value of most of it. But that's a matter of opinion, not of fact. The stuff that's happening now or to happen in the future, I'll take your word for. I'm not going to call anybody or try to prove or disprove anything. Whatever happens will happen.
I will say that you have a much better chance of getting your movie produced and shown if you have a finished comic to put in their hands at the beginning. Movie people are frequently stupid and don't understand ideas, but they do understand things they can hold in their hand. Handing a producer a comic and saying "here's my story, and people bought it" will get you a lot further down the road than any pitch or presentation will.
TomStillwell
08-29-2006, 10:15 PM
But you didn't prove anything.
Most of it is just claims you've made that we're supposed to take at face value despite the fact that you have been caught in falsehoods before.
The rest is just stuff you won't comment on because of supposed confidentiality.
In that respect, can you prove that DC/Warner Bros. is truly making a Wonder Woman movie, for example? They've talked about it and given SEVERAL DIFFERENT casting of the actresses for the lead role over the past 10 years alone. Yet... they never show anything except new casting for the role again and again... and I HAVE.
Joss Whedon just finished the screenplay. I tend to trust Joss since he's an accomplished writer and director with a long list of credits. I know that he gets stuff done.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:16 PM
yeah I mean honestly Jbolt...
I've got my name in maybe 100 comics in the past year, I've also had my name on a few illustrations in two anthologies in the last year...
and I'm certain I'm not remotely on Marvel or DC's radar.
you're saying that you are after an ashcan 5 years ago?
seems unlikely man.
No... I'm saying that there is a remote possibility, which I feel exists because of coincidents that have come about. Either that or there is such a strong coincidental, mystical fate in the air that everybody decided to create a character named Bombshell in the past few years. It could happen. Yeah... that's it! We must've all called Dion Warwick's old Psychic Friends Hotline Network recording and gotten the same message... "create a character called Bombshell."
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:18 PM
Fair enough.
J-:cool:
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as is customary.
Lacking a significant signing and viable press release, I'll change my tune on September 1st, 2007.
A year is more than generous.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:20 PM
Whatever.
Cute sketch, by the way.
that's ridiculous... if you can't recognize that your work lack basic proportion and anatomy then I really can't help you man.
I find this HIGHLY dubious. If such a deal on printing exists the company I work for would be on it... as would Dark Horse, Marvel and DC.
the average comic costs 2.99 and we're to believe that you've found a way to narrow production cost to about 1/6?
HIGHLY unlikely.
you ANATOMY IS OFF! As is your Proportion!
This is NOT a bash! It's constructive criticism!
After I graduated art school, I went back to basics months later and went back to life drawing class to sharpen my skills:
http://www.crowleyart.net/gallery/albums/sketchbook/Jackie.sized.jpg
that sketch in the left hand corner is my instructor and I readjusted what needed to be corrected in the drawing.
NONE of us are perfect... Constructive criticism is the tool to LEARN and GROW.
"Fun" is a compliment... regardless of your skill, you seem to at least take some joy in doing it. That shines through the bad anatomy, proportions and compositions... but you need MAJOR work!
What company? It's just you dude.
and as I said people here aren't trashing you or trolling you... they're calling you on what appears to be BS.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:23 PM
Simply put... money. That's why it's in the budget from the funds for the film production that publication will begin also. Besides that, I plan movies and comics to coincide with endings, so it has worked out for the best, anyway.
That post is over two years old J-bolt. If you don't mind me asking what happened that saw such a huge delay?
TomStillwell
08-29-2006, 10:29 PM
I've said that I have my own ways of doing things, so anything that doesn't apply to what choose to do, I don't know about because I don't plan on using it.
How do you plan on not using something you don't know about? Wouldn't it make more sense to know everything and then decide given all the information?
Crowley
08-29-2006, 10:33 PM
honestly at this point I give up...
I actually feel bad for you Fisher... You seem to have the dream, but you're BSing us again.
you toss out a print quote like that and think no one will smell something fishy?
sorry man, I fold.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:35 PM
Like I said... here I've been more INFAMOUS than anything, but nonetheless, I've been a hobby to people on here for a LONG time.
I never said anything about getting an award on comicon.com, that I remember. I said that they dedicated a webpage to the poster and I announced that in the press releases. What was said was all complimentary... not a put-down or such.
Yes, "everybody" refers mostly to people here.
There were no "sock puppets" on the LBC or LBE forums, My Friend. All favoring posts were from real people.
As for the fan site, It was more than one page and apparently, had more than one member. I was in contact with the little girl that created it, after she e-mailed me to let me know she created it, putting out little newsletters and different things she did. I don't know how many other people were members of this thing, though I remember the number was quite small, and she was constantly working on recruiting more members. She used to e-mail me quite a few times per week to tell me these things. I was just complimented by the site and amazed that I was known by ANYONE all the way in Japan. She told me that a couple of the stories done on me, in 1987 and 1989, were shown out there and that's when she became a fan. The news companies told me they were "satelliting" the stories out... I just never knew they'd be doing so Internationally.
J-:cool:
You rang?
Okay, a fair and balanced, honest examination of J-Bolt's claims:
If we accept the dictum that "all publicity is good publicity," then there are many people who know of you or have heard of you. They may not remember your name or the name of your comic company and characters, but they have heard of you. Either here or at the Ellis or Millar forums, or a few other forums, blogs, pages, whatever. Some have heard about you in conversation at conventions. I can't say how much of this discussion is flattering, but if all you want is your name mentioned, that has happened. I'm not sure how that translates to sales, but that's a different question.
"Everybody" meaning everybody here. I didn't see or hear anything in the news or even at fan-centric sites like AICN. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means I didn't see it.
You mentioned before that comicon.com awarded your poster the "Notoriety award." Notoriety is generally accepted to mean less-than-flattering attention, as when Omar was recently labeled a "notorious troll." In other words, the mention at Comicon may not be a positive one. I didn't see it or read what they wrote, so I can't really say, I'm just going by the title you described.
Also, Comicon.com is not associated or affiliated with any of the major comics conventions; it's just another comics site like CBR, so their "award" doesn't really carry a lot of weight.
Before you started trying to win everybody over, you got pretty defensive. (To be expected, but anyway... ) You did at one point try to make peace (I mean before this time), but it didn't last long, mostly due to relentless challenges from the likes of me.
The total membership of the YABS and Ellis forums combined would not fill a theater for a single screening. There were at the most another dozen or so people posting at IMDB, and if you subtract all the sock-puppets, maybe another five or six people on your old Bravenet forums. The truth of the matter is that over the last five years, maybe a few thousand people have read about you online. When I was working on Ken Kreagen's "The Power to Win" infomercial for his "Life is a Contact Sport" book and seminars, he told me that people need to hear about something at least three times in a short period of time from three different sources before it registers with them and makes an impression. The number of people who may have read about you at YABS AND seen your website AND read your profile at IMDB is an exceptionally small number of people.
I'm not arguing with you about how much exposure you've had, I'm questioning how effective it's been.
Fan club or fan page? There is a difference. Fan clubs have members, meetings, newsletters, events, and so on. Fan pages are something one can
throw together in half an hour and post, and they may not always be serious. For example, over at Monkey Spit, we posted a fake fanpage for Felix Silla (http://www.monkeyspit.com/sites/fansite/), the actor who played Twiki on Buck Rogers and Cousin Itt on the Addams Family. The page is clearly a gag, making fun of some of the more pathetic sites out there... but I got e-mail from Silla's neice thanking us for putting up a fan page. Don't get me wrong, I am a Felix Silla fan, but we really picked him for his obscurity, not his fame. The fan club you mentioned may have been genuine. I don't know. I've never seen it. You say it was there, and I accept that. I disagree with you as to its importance or impact.
... to be continued...
Crowley
08-29-2006, 10:40 PM
Yeah, I hear the trolley... do the rest of you?
http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/09/28/inside-dvd-mrrogers2.jpg
http://www.holgatetoy.com/images/Trolley_Book-large.jpg
MacQuarrie
08-29-2006, 10:41 PM
There were no "sock puppets" on the LBC or LBE forums, My Friend. All favoring posts were from real people.
When I referred to sock puppets, I was referring to me (GeekFest, Prospero, Miranda, and sometimes Caliban, among others), Loren (Ariel), and a couple of other guys here who were posting there. Somebody took over Caliban and ran with him as I recall, and there were a few others.
The people favoring you, I'll take your word for.
curefreak
08-29-2006, 10:41 PM
until just now i didnt even know who j bolt was but i kept hearing his name on the yabs forum.... needless to say if youre spending all youre time on here trying to prove to people that youre movie is getting made then youre just delusional.
of course if you do get it made youll have proof and then you can flaunt youre nose at us all you want.
kmeyers
08-29-2006, 10:45 PM
Whatever.
Cute sketch, by the way.
Are you fucking crazy?
because I hear you talking about some sort of comic book, and what-not...but I've seen 1, yeah 1, pretty sub-par drawing of your lead character. and this "cute sketch" is miles better than the drawing I saw of yours.
Why can't we see more of your art? surely if you are planning on releasing a comic book soon, you have much more art to show.
I know I do...and I don't even have a comic book in the works...but maybe I should tell everyone I do.
MacQuarrie
08-29-2006, 10:48 PM
Are you fucking crazy?
because I hear you talking about some sort of comic book, and what-not...but I've seen 1, yeah 1, pretty sub-par drawing of your lead character. and this "cute sketch" is miles better than the drawing I saw of yours.
Why can't we see more of your art? surely if you are planning on releasing a comic book soon, you have much more art to show.
I know I do...and I don't even have a comic book in the works...but maybe I should tell everyone I do.
Go to http://www.lightningboltentertainment.com and look in the gallery and also check out the ashcan. There are a lot of samples of J-Bolt's work.
kmeyers
08-29-2006, 10:49 PM
Go to http://www.lightningboltentertainment.com and look in the gallery and also check out the ashcan. There are a lot of samples of J-Bolt's work.
Thanks, but the link isn't working.
edit...nevermind, there it goes.
aw...I have to register? I feel so dirty.
SUPERECWFAN1
08-29-2006, 10:52 PM
When I referred to sock puppets, I was referring to me (GeekFest, Prospero, Miranda, and sometimes Caliban, among others), Loren (Ariel), and a couple of other guys here who were posting there. Somebody took over Caliban and ran with him as I recall, and there were a few others.
The people favoring you, I'll take your word for.
God the IMDB thing...I remember that . It seems so long ago.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 10:59 PM
I mean a mixture of everybody. Since 99% of the news stories done on me were done so in Vegas, quite a few people know me there. And then the rest is the math as you put it. Either way, it's much more than the .1% that was said.
There is enough buzz out there to make the movie known with film industry professionals. Once the National press comes out about this new cast member, it will be on a lot of people's lips because everybody in this country has a strong opinion about this actor. With them getting this current role, there will be buzz with everybody, including people slamming me, more than ever, for casting them... but that's only half of the people who will be talking about the actor. The other half will be overly supportive just because of the first half that will hate it. I can't explain the exact reasons without saying who that actor is, and you know why I can't say that. Any calls made to them now, by people other than those who want a TV, newspaper, etc. interview with them could damage it... especially since there are still some here who mock me and what I do, taking pleasure at throwing whatever possible monkey wrenches they can into the works. I'm going to make sure that doesn't happen. Once the press comes out, nobody will be able to negatively affect their involvement.
The company that the National news show is affiliated with gave me the actor's contact information because SAG didn't have their current info. I found that to be greatly common with actors, as several of them change agents and other reps quite a few times per year and even SAG has trouble keeping up with it.
Now, as far as getting my film produced, that's in the bag, because I'm producing it myself, with Jackson and Stuart Raffill credited as Co-Executive Producer, whereas he told me to use his name in that regard, besides as director, so that I have his powerful name behind whatever I need to accomplish. When I was first first working on the film, I was going have somebody else produce it, and Jaki Baskow found plenty of studios interested in doing so (all of this has been again backed up by Judith Moose and any info I'm giving you here, which you haven't heard before, can also be backed up by her), but I didn't agree with how they wanted to do the film. That's when I came up with the term "Hollywoodize," because that's what I felt they wanted to do with it. So, I decided to produce it myself and that pissed Jaki off, especially since she had herself lined up to have a producer credit with whichever studio took it. Since I did not bend to what she wanted, and insisted on producing the film myself, she and I had the falling out where it was decided to break off our professional relationship.
I already have the funds waiting to make the film, held for me by a top investment firm, but I need the last $100,000 for the due-diligence fees and all the other legal fees associated with getting the funds from the firm. I'm sorry but I can't give that firm's name for the same reason that I can't give the other names: someone will end up calling them and possibly damaging them from doing business with me, causing me to have to go back to the drawing board to get ALL the funds yet again.
J-:cool:
... part deux....
When you say "comic book community" do you mean fans, fans who post online (half the US is still not on the net), comics pros, or fans and pros combined? As far as I can tell, J-Bolt, Bombshell and Lightning Bolt Comics are only known online. The mainstream media barely covers comics stories at all, so if there had been any mention of you or your projects over the last 5 years, you would have mentioned it on your site, as you did the one article about Adam West that mentioned Bombshell. Since you haven't mentioned them, I think it's safe to say that they haven't happened. So only people online know about you. Not all comics fans go to comics sites. I know a lot who don't, including people who work at or own comics shops. In other words, not all the comics fans and pros who are online (50%) actually follow any comics news online. Conservatively speaking, maybe half the comics people online ever visit any comics sites. So 25% of the audience has even had the opportunity to hear of you. Of those, maybe 10% happened to visit a site that mentioned you and read the article. In other words, a generous estimate is that under the best of circumstances, maybe 2.5% of comics readers have ever had a chance to hear of you.
That's not a criticism of you, just pure math. Fact is, CBR has had user registration for about 5 years or so, and they still have fewer than 20,000 members, many of whom never return after their first visit.
Even so, if every comics reader in the US went to see your movie, it would still be a flop if it didn't bring in the mainstream audience. There's apaprently no buzz out there to make that happen. Almost all your publicity is within the comics community.
There's really not much of a National press anymore, what with cable and satellite fracturing the audience. It used to be that everybody watched Walter Cronkite and everybody heard Rona Barrett's entertainment reports, but it ain't that way anymore. Even if you were on Entertainment Tonight and in People magazine, you still wouldn't have "national" press.We don't all watch or read the same thing anymore.
Making calls is what's supposed to happen. If you signed, say, Harrison Ford to a role, his agent's phone would ring for a week solid with people calling to ask questions or schedule interviews. That's part of the publicity machine.
But anyway, you can't guarantee publicity. You can send out press releases all you want, but you can't make the papers run them. you can hope for it, but anything can happen. By the time the news gets out, your star may have fallen out of favor.
Obviously. That's what you should do with all your cast and crew.
You lost me. How did this national news person find out that you had contacted the actor in question? Are you saying that this news person is the one who gave you the contact information? I'm confused.
Anyway, long and short of it, the stuff you mentioned that happened in the past actually happened, but I disagree with you as to the importance or value of most of it. But that's a matter of opinion, not of fact. The stuff that's happening now or to happen in the future, I'll take your word for. I'm not going to call anybody or try to prove or disprove anything. Whatever happens will happen.
I will say that you have a much better chance of getting your movie produced and shown if you have a finished comic to put in their hands at the beginning. Movie people are frequently stupid and don't understand ideas, but they do understand things they can hold in their hand. Handing a producer a comic and saying "here's my story, and people bought it" will get you a lot further down the road than any pitch or presentation will.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 11:00 PM
Cool avatar, Man!
J-:cool:
Thanks, but the link isn't working.
edit...nevermind, there it goes.
aw...I have to register? I feel so dirty.
Crowley
08-29-2006, 11:02 PM
I mean a mixture of everybody. Since 99% of the news stories done on me were done so in Vegas, quite a few people know me there. And then the rest is the math as you put it. Either way, it's much more than the .1% that was said.
There is enough buzz out there to make the movie known with film industry professionals. Once the National press comes out about this new cast member, it will be on a lot of people's lips because everybody in this country has a strong opinion about this actor. With them getting this current role, there will be buzz with everybody, including people slamming me, more than ever, for casting them... but that's only half of the people who will be talking about the actor. The other half will be overly supportive just because of the first half that will hate it. I can't explain the exact reasons without saying who that actor is, and you know why I can't say that. Any calls made to them now, by people other than those who want a TV, newspaper, etc. interview with them could damage it... especially since there are still some here who mock me and what I do, taking pleasure at throwing whatever possible monkey wrenches they can into the works. I'm going to make sure that doesn't happen. Once the press comes out, nobody will be able to negatively affect their involvement.
The company that the National news show is affiliated with gave me the actor's contact information because SAG didn't have their current info. I found that to be greatly common with actors, as several of them change agents and other reps quite a few times per year and even SAG has trouble keeping up with it.
Now, as far as getting my film produced, that's in the bag, because I'm producing it myself, with Jackson and Stuart Raffill credited as Co-Executive Producer, whereas he told me to use his name in that regard, besides as director, so that I have his powerful name behind whatever I need to accomplish. When I was first first working on the film, I was going have somebody else produce it, and Jaki Baskow found plenty of studios interested in doing so (all of this has been again backed up by Judith Moose and any info I'm giving you here, which you haven't heard before, can also be backed up by her), but I didn't agree with how they wanted to do the film. That's when I came up with the term "Hollywoodize," because that's what I felt they wanted to do with it. So, I decided to produce it myself and that pissed Jaki off, especially since she had herself lined up to have a producer credit with whichever studio took it. Since I did not bend to what she wanted, and insisted on producing the film myself, she and I had the falling out where it was decided to break off our professional relationship.
I already have the funds waiting to make the film, held for me by a top investment firm, but I need the last $100,000 for the due-diligence fees and all the other legal fees associated with getting the funds from the firm. I'm sorry but I can't give that firm's name for the same reason that I can't give the other names: someone will end up calling them and possibly damaging them from doing business with me, causing me to have to go back to the drawing board to get ALL the funds yet again.
J-:cool:
WHAT?!?!
I mean honestly do you think ANYONE buys this?
Gail Simone
08-29-2006, 11:13 PM
oh come on OMAR...
you're a notorious troll... you don't think they smelled that instantly?
He's right, Omar. Acting innocent looks foolish on you. You've strived to be the biggest troll on the internet for years, your endless attacks on John Byrne make the Yabs' obsession with J-bolt look tame, and then you come and pretend to be the wounded party?
Come on, I don't dislike you and I've stuck up for you a dozen times, but you're making my stomach flip with that 'poor innocent Omar' nonsense. It's practically ALL you're remembered for by anyone, and you damn well know it. If people on the net know you at all, it's as a troll.
Gail
Josh S
08-29-2006, 11:37 PM
What does "ashcan" mean?
curefreak
08-29-2006, 11:37 PM
He's right, Omar. Acting innocent looks foolish on you. You've strived to be the biggest troll on the internet for years, your endless attacks on John Byrne make the Yabs' obsession with J-bolt look tame, and then you come and pretend to be the wounded party?
Come on, I don't dislike you and I've stuck up for you a dozen times, but you're making my stomach flip with that 'poor innocent Omar' nonsense. It's practically ALL you're remembered for by anyone, and you damn well know it. If people on the net know you at all, it's as a troll.
Gailyou're up pretty late gail ...insomnia perchance?
curefreak
08-29-2006, 11:38 PM
What does "ashcan" mean?apparently its a comic that was made but never published and done only to hold a copyright.
(it doesnt make much sense to me )
SUPERECWFAN1
08-29-2006, 11:43 PM
I mean this as an honest observer per say. Not to be mean J-Bolt .
A few pages back you detailed that you were finishing a Vamperla pic for someone and that would get your money you needed. But if your having trouble luring the final 100 G's for this film , how can you do the comics ?
Is the Vamp pic your doing going towards the movie or the comics ? Because I really can't see someone putting that much money into a personal drawing if thats the case.
J-Bolt
08-29-2006, 11:54 PM
Mac has already confirmed everything, so to call me a liar is to call him a liar... and I KNOW you don't want to do that. Mac is my friend, I trust him, and will show HIM, along with the others who have a longer open-minded memory span than a housefly's life, that I am backing up my claims with actions.
As for the WW film. Sure... they say Joss Whedon has given them a script. According to them, several others have also given scripts before... yet, we've still to see it on the screen. And even if Joss has given them a script that they're finally going to use, why is it that you're not doubting them for taking so, freaking, long to get the movie even into pre-production, when they have NO excuse not to? We're talking TEN YEARS, MAN... probably more. That's just the timeline that I've kept up on in comic magazines, then the Internet. And there are several other projects from them, Marvel, McFarlane, and others that I can ask the same question that you should be asking, instead of giving ME the Spanish Inquisition.
I've had mine in pre-production for only 6 years and I've accomplished more in that time than they have with theirs, after 10 years. But... I HAVE an excuse for taking so long: I don't have the financial resources they do. They don't have ANY excuses for taking the time they have to get their projects out, if they do at all. Then again... I'm sure you'll FIND an excuse for them... won't you?
I don't believe in procrastination, as most of Hollywood does. When I want a certain actor, production staff, whatever... I IMMEDIATELY do what I can to acquire it. If I can't accomplish that, I'll find another way, or another entity I want involved... and I won't waste time in doing so. The ONLY thing that has gotten in my way is the fact that I don't have ample availability of funds. If I did, BombShell would've been out in theaters 4 or 5 years ago and I'd be working on a sequal (granted if this first film goes over with the audience, as I plan).
But... they all have access to EVERYTHING they need, want, or could use to make any film... yet, they don't. Why??? And why is it that I'm the one being chastized for what I don't have immediately available, but never quit on acquiring, but you're not on DC or Warner Bros.' sites asking them all these questions and trying to back them in a corner when they have NO reason NOT to get it done, without such idiotic pussy-footing around?
How about YOU answer this question for me? I've answered your questions, and I didn't need to. I should be working, but instead, I'm here trying to show that I'm working my freakin' ASS off to get my film, comics, etc. out with nothing but my own efforts, drive and knowledge (which I DO go to find out whatever it is I don't know, but need, everytime something crosses my desk that deserves it)... and yet you're just taking for granted that you're sure they have their reasons for taking 10 years to even do ONE film, that doesn't have to do with Batman or Superman! Hell... they're GODS... right? They can't do any wrong??? Guess what... there's NEVER an excuse NOT to get a film project out that people want to see when you have all available resources to do so. That's not fair to the fans... and it's not fair to those of us who do our damndest to get our projects out, not having the resources they do... yet, I've made more progress than they have and won't stop working on completing it.
I didn't prove anything??? BULL!!! I've proven a helluva lot more than they have, or you, because I'm not giving excuses... I'm just working to get this project going using anything I can honestly muster. If you or anyone else feels that what I'm doing isn't enough or honest or whatever... you're an idiot because you should be giving this crap to those who DON'T have any reason not to get their media out without any delays.
The thing is... I'm sure this isn't sinking in to you or the other few who are still wanting the freakin' witch-hunt. You probably still have your nose so far up DC, Marvel, McFarlane, etc.'s ass to think that they could EVER not be doing what they say, no matter that they keep giving you lines of b.s. that now, Lindsay Lohan is doing the role, or maybe Charisma Carpenter, but a couple years ago, it was Sarah Michelle Gellar, or maybe somebody else... 2 years before that, it was Lucy Lawless, or maybe Chyna... on and on and on... and more people have supposedly submitted a script that they're "considering" than the members of this board. And this is just for ONE, SINGLE movie that they should have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER to get done... but after 10 years, they still don't even know who will play it. Yet, you'll believe whatever they say, when they say it.
Like I said, that's just one movie mentioned. How about questioning why DC plans on making a Flash movie and how they expect to do so with a 2006 release date, when there's only 4 months left in the year? And why Flash???
How about asking why McFarlane has promised a Spawn 2 for 9 years and his latest claim is that he's going to do another part 1 [AGAIN!] by HIMSELF, for only $10million... and not part 2?
How about asking Marvel about not getting their Black Panther movie out MANY years ago, even though Wesley Snipes wanted to do it for them, before Blade, then they scrapped it, bringing it back & forth over the many years, and now are talking about doing it yet AGAIN? They don't even have to do anything for it, since Wesley wants so badly to do it, finance it, cast it and everything else... and has volunteered to do so since it was first brought up?
Why aren't you nailing any of these? I could go on and on with projects that they ALL were supposed to have been doing for the past several years, yet you'll believe anything they say... but you go after me with the torches and pitchforks!
Next month, you won't even remember, AGAIN, all I've said, all anybody has said or proven about me, or even the thrashing anybody has given me, just so you can do it again, then... huh?
Well... I'm not buying into it anymore. I'm sure you'll reply back to this post, all DC/Marvel/McFarlane brown-nosed and everything... but, I just don't damnded-well care anymore. It's no longer important to me because I've proven my case and I'm tired of trying to sway your opinions or whatever about me. I'm trying to prove myself to an unimportant minority, when those who are important here are giving me the chance to do my work, and I should just have been focusing on that, and stop wasting my precious work time by arguing with you and the few others here, who have your comicdom butt-kissing mastered.
I've just wasted so much time, effort and energy on trying to prove myself to a few insignificant people who will never be convinced. For that, I'm a freakin' moron.
That is all changed as of now. I'm sure I've pissed you off, as well as those other few who still hate me no matter what... and I'll never change that, even when I succeed at my work. But, in the immortal words of the great Jack Nicholson: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!"
But you didn't prove anything.
Most of it is just claims you've made that we're supposed to take at face value despite the fact that you have been caught in falsehoods before.
The rest is just stuff you won't comment on because of supposed confidentiality.
Joss Whedon just finished the screenplay. I tend to trust Joss since he's an accomplished writer and director with a long list of credits. I know that he gets stuff done.