Anyone else vaguely disapointed with the new team on JSA?

[lead sharp]

It was a slightly better than average superhero story that seemed to come from the mid eighties in style and prose.

There were irritating little mistakes (the dead man in the first issue of the story apparently being oriental when clearly he's not) The Spectre looking incredibly stupid in costume (come on how about a new one for the new guy?). The whole thing just felt like Star Trek five, should have been good, with good bits, but just not making the grade.

I was expecting more from the writer of Fables and I want more than eighties pastiche from the art.

Anyone else feel this?

[galactica]

They haven't started yet. The last two issues of JSA has been a fill-in arc written and drawn by Jerry Ordway. Bill Willingham and Matt Sturges and Jesus Merino start on #29 later this month.

[lead sharp]

Well that's 1: a relief and 2: what i get for having no real knowledge of fables other than the hype.

Consider me told, and relieved.

[Sean Walsh]

The only problem I have is that Willingham & Sturges' DCU work so far......hasn't been stellar. SALVATION RUN and SHADOWPACT were good but not much beyond that.

Jesus Merino's artwork has been very good in the past so I'm not fearful of the art falling off, but I'm expecting something of a drop off in quality with the stories.

Gonna give it a chance though, as it looks like it's the same team of characters and I wasn't really expecting all of them to be kept.

[Karl O'Neill]

They write fables.

Nuff fricking said.

[Free-Man]

They write fables.

Nuff fricking said.

Edioral restraints can be a bitch though. Sean McKeever did Mary Jane and Gravity, two widely acclaimed titles about teens, and then editorial restraints KILLED his Teen Titans run.

Dwayne Mcduffie created a slew of hit kids shows and had done some great work on the Fantastic Four, and editorial managed to ruin his JLA run.

There's no guarantee that the same won't happen to the Fables team, especially since they're taking over the book while DC is in a company wide crossover.

[Karl O'Neill]

If that happens. I will drop it again.

[hondobrode]

Didn't read Salvation Run cause it sounded horrible, but Fables and Shadowpact have been good.

Looking forward to JSA but I doubt it'll ever be as good as when Johns was on it.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The only problem I have is that Willingham & Sturges' DCU work so far......hasn't been stellar. SALVATION RUN and SHADOWPACT were good but not much beyond that.

Jesus Merino's artwork has been very good in the past so I'm not fearful of the art falling off, but I'm expecting something of a drop off in quality with the stories.

Gonna give it a chance though, as it looks like it's the same team of characters and I wasn't really expecting all of them to be kept.

Sturges does Final Crisis : Run (has a solo DC book being launched later this year) and does the awesome :

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk105/the_franci/Playing%20Card%20comics/Jack-of-Fables-9.jpg

Guy is a rising star with the company. Check out Jack of Fables.

Edioral restraints can be a bitch though. Sean McKeever did Mary Jane and Gravity, two widely acclaimed titles about teens, and then editorial restraints KILLED his Teen Titans run.

Sean McKeever failed more than from editoral restraints. Your being too kind here. The minds work was completely wrong for the Teen Titans. Using 'shock tactics" work at some points. Doing it every issue in what should be a good wholesome TT title was wrong. The characters of Miss Martian trying to give it up to truckers in a truck stop , Clock King (a really much older mid 30's rogue) sleeping with a teen girl , and Marvin being mauled by a devil dog with his guts hanging out...was just completely wrong for the book.

McKeever can blame editoral if he wants. But jesus the work was awful and if he was restrained what other horrible crap did he have planned that they stopped ? Just a horrible run there.


Dwayne Mcduffie created a slew of hit kids shows and had done some great work on the Fantastic Four, and editorial managed to ruin his JLA run.

Ok this is true right here. I agree with this.

There's no guarantee that the same won't happen to the Fables team, especially since they're taking over the book while DC is in a company wide crossover.

Beyond the Hawks , the team of JSA isn't involved in anything really. The Fables team can come in and do what they wanna do in JSA it seems.

[Free-Man]

I'll admit that his run was needlessly gorey, but one of the major complaints I've heard was the constant roster change ups. And that can't be blamed on him.

Supergirl was yanked out after a few issues for James Robinson's JLA book.
Raven was torn out in order to join Titans.
Robin was forced out by Battle for the Cowl.

That was editorial.

[Dave Hackett]

Not a fan of Willingham's (I know, I know, put down your pitchforks), so I'll probably skip this, but the inclusion of the new Dr. Fate has me tempted.

[Paiute 1]

I hope Willingham draws a couple of issues or so.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'll admit that his run was needlessly gorey, but one of the major complaints I've heard was the constant roster change ups. And that can't be blamed on him.

Supergirl was yanked out after a few issues for James Robinson's JLA book.
Raven was torn out in order to join Titans.
Robin was forced out by Battle for the Cowl.

That was editorial.

Beyond those changes ...what does any of those characters have to do with the horrible work beyond it ? Robin didn't exit the series til after the horrid shock tactics (after Marvin gets Mauled) . It was just piss poor work to be honest.

If they editors were restraining him...well its the 1st time I credit them for something.

[Free-Man]

Beyond those changes ...what does any of those characters have to do with the horrible work beyond it ? Robin didn't exit the series til after the horrid shock tactics (after Marvin gets Mauled) . It was just piss poor work to be honest.

If they editors were restraining him...well its the 1st time I credit them for something.

I agreed with you that there was a crap load of bad writing, but I was a addressing one of the biggest complaints I've heard about McKeever's run, which was the ridiculously unstable roster, and that is something that wasn't his fault.

[lead sharp]

(I'm really pleased my miss fired moan has sparked an interesting thread :) )

I agree with someone above, the JSA is composed of characters only JSA fans care about with a few fan faves' thrown in (Power Girl, Captain Marvel) so the roster roundabout is usually a part of the story and not an editorial ice pick.

From what I've gathered about Fables there's some strong character work and interesting takes on classic stories, which is bang on what's needed.

I'm looking forward to this.

That was another thing about the filler issues as well, I got very used to the Alex Ross covers, hope they return.