morgan freeman to marry his step-grand-daughter

[ShaunN]

Dear Friends,

OK, here is a somewhat disturbing story re: Morgan Freeman:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/07/10/morgan_freeman/index.html

There is a part of me that says so long as its legal, leave the man and his bride-to-be alone. However, the circumstances of this affair (putting aside even the adultery aspect) seem very disturbing to me. It's very reminiscent of the Woody Allen situation, as the article notes.

This doesn't affect my regard for Freeman as an actor, but I wonder about his ethics as a person. I recognize this may be a case of, as Woody Allen said, "the heart wants what it wants" but, to me, that was never much of an excuse.

Shaun

[Cam63]

Interesting life you got there, Morg'.

[king mob]

It's a bit iffy isn't it.

[Crowforge]

Morgan Freeman will be appearing in Woody Allen movies now.

[shrike]

I recognize this may be a case of, as Woody Allen said, "the heart wants what it wants"

Shaun

That's awesome to know, I'll call NAMBLA right now, I'm sure they'll be delighted to hear that.

Personally the whole affair makes me barf in my mouth a little, and not the good sexy kind of barf.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Wow....thats....pretty errie there. I mean wasn't it last year Freeman was in an auto accident with his mistress ?

Guys a hell of an actor. But ....damn.

[Ghost]

It's a bit controversial, I suppose, but is she wants to marry him, who am I to condemn her?

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Well it was on his Bucket List.

[Tobias March]

I keep thinking of that Mos Def (http://www.justsomelyrics.com/735723/Mos-Def-Mista-Nigga-Lyrics) song when I hear this story:

You can laugh and criticize Michael Jackson if you wanna
Woody Allen, molested and married his step-daughter
Same press kicking dirt on Michael's name
Show Woody and Soon-Ye at the playoff game, holding hands
Sit back and just bug, think about that
Would he get that type of dap if his name was Woody Black?

[shrike]

I keep thinking of that Mos Def (http://www.justsomelyrics.com/735723/Mos-Def-Mista-Nigga-Lyrics) song when I hear this story:

You can laugh and criticize Michael Jackson if you wanna
Woody Allen, molested and married his step-daughter
Same press kicking dirt on Michael's name
Show Woody and Soon-Ye at the playoff game, holding hands
Sit back and just bug, think about that
Would he get that type of dap if his name was Woody Black?

LOL! Yes, because Allen's rep was SOOOO untarnished after that. :rolleyes:

[lexid523]

If Morgan Freeman were my step-grandfather, I know I'd be having an affair with him. Dude's a fox. (That's the part that makes it different from Woody Allen)

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I didn´t know Woody Allen molested his stepdaughter, how come there was no trial?

[lexid523]

I didn´t know Woody Allen molested his stepdaughter, how come there was no trial?

Because I think she was of age at the time, and they got married.

[Libaax]

Yeah but who knows if he didnt make a move on her and had sex with her when she was like 10......

[Spackling Compound]

Yeah but who knows if he didnt make a move on her and had sex with her when she was like 10......

The relationship, according to the article, may have been going on for a decade. So she'd be around 17 or so when the affair began.

[shrike]

Yeah but who knows if he didnt make a move on her and had sex with her when she was like 10......

Well then you could say the same thing about Celine Dion's manager

[7thangel]

last time i heard this was still a rumour. something that came out in divorce proceedings with his 2nd wife (was that before or after he was caught getting a hood wax from that chick and got into an accident?)

until i hear of various rags bidding for the exclusive pics of their nuptials i'll leave it on my list of :rolleyes:

[AaronJ]

I don't know. It doesn't bother me either way. They're both adults, they can do what they want. They are not related by blood, only paper.

[PatrickG]

Woody didn't raise his step-daughter and they only met a handful of times during his marriage, I thought. I dunno but I think that story sounds like it was overblown.

[FalconX2000]

It's not they're going to have kids.


...unless Morgan Freeman's awesomeness keeps his sperm alive.

[lexid523]

It's not they're going to have kids.


...unless Morgan Freeman's awesomeness keeps his sperm alive.


It's only women who definitely become infertile later in life. Men usually keep producing sperm until they die. Before the little blue pill, it was mostly just ED that kept older men from making babies.

[mgs]

Well it was on his Bucket List.
lol! :biggrin:

The relationship, according to the article, may have been going on for a decade. So she'd be around 17 or so when the affair began.
that's super-creepy!

Well then you could say the same thing about Celine Dion's manager
yeah, but like Mariah Carey, lots of them girl singers always whore themselves out to their sugardaddies, so it's not that uncommon.

I don't know. It doesn't bother me either way. They're both adults, they can do what they want. They are not related by blood, only paper.
it doesn't bother you that someone's grandad is gonna marry their grand-daughter, whom they've apparently had a relationship with, through familial ties, since high school?!?? :confused:


Okay.........

Men usually keep producing sperm until they die.
Actually, I've seen many studies where they said that boys are actually born with all the sperm they are going to have for their whole life. So, it's not that it's continually produced, it just 'blooms' over time, I guess.

[AaronJ]

it doesn't bother you that someone's grandad is gonna marry their grand-daughter, whom they've apparently had a relationship with, through familial ties, since high school?!?? :confused:

They're no more related than I am to Barack Obama.

As to the oddness of the relationship, well, that's really not my business, now is it? They are adults. Their relationship is legal in every way.

Given that, I'm not in any real position to judge. If they want to be together, then best of luck to them. I mean, it's not something that I would necessarily endorse, but I'm hardly going to be critical, either.

Like I said, it's not my business. There's nothing illegal happening. It's just odd. Well, you know what? Shit a LOT more odd happens every day.

[Red Jack]

if you're not equally outraged about all the other similar crap that people pull, it's a bit dodgy to make a fuss about this.

she's making a shitty deal for herself and he's squeezing a few more drops out of life before he kicks. end of story.

one way or another it absolutely won't last long.

[mgs]

As to the oddness of the relationship, well, that's really not my business, now is it? They are adults. Their relationship is legal in every way.

Given that, I'm not in any real position to judge. If they want to be together, then best of luck to them. I mean, it's not something that I would necessarily endorse, but I'm hardly going to be critical, either.

Like I said, it's not my business. There's nothing illegal happening. It's just odd. Well, you know what? Shit a LOT more odd happens every day.
Hey, I'd agree with you........IF THEY HAD MET WHEN SHE WAS A LEGAL ADULT!!!!

But that's apparently not the case, therefore, this gets placed in the creepy files. :wink:

[AaronJ]

Hey, I'd agree with you........IF THEY HAD MET WHEN SHE WAS A LEGAL ADULT!!!!

But that's apparently not the case, therefore, this gets placed in the creepy files. :wink:

Lots of stuff in the world is creepy.

And I don't really see how it matters when they met. But ... hey, to each his own.

[Gail Simone]

I think it's gross. Morgan Freeman has cultivated a reputation of dignity
and class, and was one of my favorite actors, but there's nothing
un-creepy in this story, I'm sorry. It's about deceit and betrayal as much as it
is about love and lust and the "heart has its reasons."

Ick.

I saw him in a not-very-great play on Broadway, The Country Girl. I went
to see it because I loved the two lead actors (Freeman and Frances MacDormand). They were both only okay, and the whole play was stolen by Peter Gallagher, whom I had no thoughts about previously either way.

I think it's disappointing.

[FeminineMystique]

I keep thinking of that Mos Def (http://www.justsomelyrics.com/735723/Mos-Def-Mista-Nigga-Lyrics) song when I hear this story:

You can laugh and criticize Michael Jackson if you wanna
Woody Allen, molested and married his step-daughter
Same press kicking dirt on Michael's name
Show Woody and Soon-Ye at the playoff game, holding hands
Sit back and just bug, think about that
Would he get that type of dap if his name was Woody Black?

I'm so, SO sorry. No one deserves to have that crap stuck in their head:biggrin:

I say so long as it's all legal and consensual, who are we to judge? We can call it weird or disturbing or whatever but let's be honest here: doesn't doing that to Morgan Freeman make us just as bad as the kind of pricks we routinely condemn on this board who go on about how people of the same gender or of different race getting married or having sex is "Unnatural"?

Freeman isn't forcing her into this. It's not pedophillic or incestual in nature it's just two people who love each other getting married. I can't see anything wrong with that

[mgs]

I say so long as it's all legal and consensual, who are we to judge? We can call it weird or disturbing or whatever but let's be honest here: doesn't doing that to Morgan Freeman make us just as bad as the kind of pricks we routinely condemn on this board who go on about how people of the same gender or of different race getting married or having sex is "Unnatural"?

nope, that's missing the point.

he 'raised' her like part of the family, then went and did sex things with her. that's creepy, unless you don't mind interfamily, underaged sex.

I'm sure the parents, unless they too, don't mind it, are thrilled about it. Just think about raising your kid, then having one of their great relatives hitting on them while they are still in high school, then hearing them tell you that they are going to be married....Yup, the all-American parent's dream!

[section 8]

Who does he think he is? God?

[AaronJ]

nope, that's missing the point.

he 'raised' her like part of the family, then went and did sex things with her. that's creepy, unless you don't mind interfamily, underaged sex.

I'm sure the parents, unless they too, don't mind it, are thrilled about it. Just think about raising your kid, then having one of their great relatives hitting on them while they are still in high school, then hearing them tell you that they are going to be married....Yup, the all-American parent's dream!

Again, they are NOT related. And as far as I know, they are both adults.

What else happened is hardly relevant, at least to me.

[FeminineMystique]

nope, that's missing the point.

he 'raised' her like part of the family, then went and did sex things with her. that's creepy, unless you don't mind interfamily, underaged sex.

I'm sure the parents, unless they too, don't mind it, are thrilled about it. Just think about raising your kid, then having one of their great relatives hitting on them while they are still in high school, then hearing them tell you that they are going to be married....Yup, the all-American parent's dream!

Except that he never did anything with her when she was underage. If he wanted to sleep with her when she was underage or if she was actually related then yes, that'd be creepy.

As it is he's no more related to her than I am to you and this is a matter between two consenting adults.

[Charles RB]

he 'raised' her like part of the family, then went and did sex things with her. that's creepy, unless you don't mind interfamily, underaged sex.


Yeah, pretty much. He's having sexual relations with a woman who, for years, he viewed as a grandchild (or so you'd assume) - there is no way that's not creepy.

[kingdom2000]

Yeah, pretty much. He's having sexual relations with a woman who, for years, he viewed as a grandchild (or so you'd assume) - there is no way that's not creepy.

I doub he ever viewed her as a grandchild. Mostly because of the "step" part but also cause he started banging her. There is no paternity or genetic anything between the two so for me its a question of creepy along the lines of the playboy bunnies doing Hugh Hefner. Purely sexually I could see why an old dude would want a young thing but why actually "hang" with them as have nothing in common? And why would a young woman want something so old both sexually and more? Those are the things I don't get. Of course his soon to be wife will probably get everything and its pretty clear the playmates were angling for the same thing so that might have a lot to do with it.

[40footwolf]

Morgan Freeman: Gross.

[FeminineMystique]

I doub he ever viewed her as a grandchild. Mostly because of the "step" part but also cause he started banging her. There is no paternity or genetic anything between the two so for me its a question of creepy along the lines of the playboy bunnies doing Hugh Hefner. Purely sexually I could see why an old dude would want a young thing but why actually "hang" with them as have nothing in common? And why would a young woman want something so old both sexually and more? Those are the things I don't get. Of course his soon to be wife will probably get everything and its pretty clear the playmates were angling for the same thing so that might have a lot to do with it.

Well we can't know for a fact they have nothing in common. Just like there are some people who are old beyond their years there are some old people who are very "Young at heart" as the cliche goes

[Spiffy]

Thanks Morgan for ruining my illusions. I had you pegged as one of the tiny minority in Hollyweird who was somewhat normal and functional. Guess I'll never learn (I still have a few I stubbornly think are normal, and I just can't WAIT to have those illusions shattered...)

Well we can't know for a fact they have nothing in common. Just like there are some people who are old beyond their years there are some old people who are very "Young at heart" as the cliche goes
Of course they have something in common: her GRANDMOTHER.

Ick. Ptui. Feh!

[7thangel]

the salon source national enquirer (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/moragn_freeman_decadelong_affair_with_stepgranddau ghter_edena_divorce/celebrity/66840)

Morgan Freeman has been having a nearly decade-long affair with his step-granddaughter - a scandalous charge that has emerged in the bitter divorce battle between the acclaimed actor and his wife Myrna, says a source.

[Spiffy]

Damn. You mean he's been slipping her the Shawshank Redemption for THAT long?

[Michael P]

In situations like this, there are always people who take a step back, evaluate the situation, and ask, "Who are we to judge?"

And I answer them, "I don't know about anybody else, but I'm the guy who's not fucking his wife's granddaughter. And speaking in that capacity, I say that this is fucking creepy."

[lexid523]

And why would a young woman want something so old both sexually and more?

I would fuck Morgan Freeman and I'm five years younger than his soon-to-be ex-step-granddaughter/wife. Again, dude's a fox.

[4PointOh]

Dear Friends,

OK, here is a somewhat disturbing story re: Morgan Freeman:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/07/10/morgan_freeman/index.html

There is a part of me that says so long as its legal, leave the man and his bride-to-be alone. However, the circumstances of this affair (putting aside even the adultery aspect) seem very disturbing to me. It's very reminiscent of the Woody Allen situation, as the article notes.

This doesn't affect my regard for Freeman as an actor, but I wonder about his ethics as a person. I recognize this may be a case of, as Woody Allen said, "the heart wants what it wants" but, to me, that was never much of an excuse.

Shaun

This is so unimportant and completely none of my business. Good luck to them.

[NickThompson]

Do you think he narrates during sex?

[FeminineMystique]

Do you think he narrates during sex?

Oh it's a definite.

And I'm sure his relationship with this brash youngster will help him repair his shattered life as their drawn into a battle of wits with a fiendish serial killer

[Charles RB]

I doub he ever viewed her as a grandchild. Mostly because of the "step" part

That in itself is a bit iffy.

In situations like this, there are always people who take a step back, evaluate the situation, and ask, "Who are we to judge?"

And I answer them, "I don't know about anybody else, but I'm the guy who's not fucking his wife's granddaughter. And speaking in that capacity, I say that this is fucking creepy."

I LIKE you.

[Spiffy]

Right. The "who are we to judge" is, pardon me, bull.

This isn't some arbitrary age issue. This is a man cheating on his wife for TEN years. Add to that the "who" its happening with, and we don't even have to get into the age issue to be able to condemn it.

Sometimes wrong is just wrong. It's not "intolerant" to not celebrate the fact that this old man can still get it up.

Is it, as 4pointOh says, "none of my business"? Yes. That's true. But that doesn't mean we can't be disgusted by it. It just means we aren't going to be leading a pack of villagers with torches after him. I don't have to wish the man well. Then again, my wishes (or lack thereof) aren't going to affect him one way or the other.

[7thangel]

Damn. You mean he's been slipping her the Shawshank Redemption for THAT long?
who knows?
how much stock are we to put into accusations made in divorce proceedings?

all kinds of things tend to get flung, true and false, especially when it's bitter due to someone cheating (in his case when his car crashed with his mistress in it).

it's strange that only after he was found cheating, that his wife brought up his 'relationship' with his step-granddaughter

[Libaax]

The relationship, according to the article, may have been going on for a decade. So she'd be around 17 or so when the affair began.

I meant Woody Allen that the poster above me was talking about.

[That JonoGuy]

Are there facts to back this up are are we still dealing with just rumor? I skimmed the article and I didn't recall seeing anything factual based. Also, it seems that the "over a decade" comment was the writers mistake.

[Spiffy]

who knows?
how much stock are we to put into accusations made in divorce proceedings?

all kinds of things tend to get flung, true and false, especially when it's bitter due to someone cheating (in his case when his car crashed with his mistress in it).

it's strange that only after he was found cheating, that his wife brought up his 'relationship' with his step-granddaughter
Yeah. But It's interesting to contemplate how long he's been driving Miss Daisy... (or whatever her name actually is)

[Village Idiot]

So we're having this 'discussion' because of an article in the National Enquirer?

Why don't we wait to get a different source to confirm this before we get all wound up about an old man getting some action?

[Spiffy]

So we're having this 'discussion' because of an article in the National Enquirer?

Why don't we wait to get a different source to confirm this before we get all wound up about an old man getting some action?
Point taken. The source is not known for its reliability.

Although your "old man getting some action" implies that you believe at least half of this. It's pretty selective that you'd choose only to doubt the parts which would reflect worst on him. I'd say, either doubt the whole thing or none of it. His marriage, and his relative relationship to the girl has to be a matter of public record. His having sex or not isn't. If you conclude he might be "getting lucky" though, you're already halfway there to putting the pieces of the rumor together, unless you think there's some OTHER young chippie being confused with the step-granddaughter.

If its any consolation, his publicist already denies this. Well, at least the part about a forthcoming marriage: http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/freeman-wont-wed-step-granddaughter_1109413

[lexid523]

Point taken. The source is not known for its reliability.

Although your "old man getting some action" implies that you believe at least half of this.

No, it implies that he has grasped the subject under discussion. As in "Old man getting some action: Is he or Isn't he?"

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Debunked..shucks...
I wanted to see how that family tree would work out.
If they had a child would it be his son and great grandson at the same time?
Would it be his son/daugther's grand parent?
Would the child be the Woman's Great Aunt? Or Step-Whatever?

It's almost like the Summer's family.

[Spiffy]

No, it implies that he has grasped the subject under discussion. As in "Old man getting some action: Is he or Isn't he?"
You mean as opposed to the subject NOT under discussion--"did Morgan Freeman betray his wife for ten years with her own granddaughter?"

My point is that the sex isn't the primary offense, if this is indeed true. The betrayal is. So the "why knock an old man for getting some" point of view a few people have expressed throughout this whole topic, is just a deflection from the real moral issue (not that thinking about the actual sex isn't a bit icky as well, but its just a side issue).

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f339/angelfido/Morgan_Freeman.jpg

Morgan summons the powers of his sexual prowess !

[Reverend Smooth]

Debunked..Oh, it has? Good.

[Sabrinaset]

Point taken. The source is not known for its reliability.

Well, hold on there ... they did have scoops on Jesse Jackson and John Edwards . When it comes to who's having an affair kind of stories, they do appear to do their homework. And it's not as if the mainstream press are that reliable in the first place anymore.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Do you think he narrates during sex?

Ohhh that would be awesome funny....


(does his best Morgan Freeman impression...)

"It was a hot day on the 4th of July , ...me in my white boxers with the satin texture and her ...in her panties with the beautiful lace. We were bored from watching the Jerry Springer show. The show was about couples fighting after sexual intercourse and as I looked into her eyes , I knew then...I Morgan Freeman ....was getting it on today."

[rick]

If the story turned out to be true that would be pretty creepy.

I really hope it isn't.

[Tetsuo_man]

Well, hold on there ... they did have scoops on Jesse Jackson and John Edwards . When it comes to who's having an affair kind of stories, they do appear to do their homework. And it's not as if the mainstream press are that reliable in the first place anymore.

Maybe but they have also been wrong. Like in the case of the possible Sarah Palin adultery article they printed.

[spoon_jenkins]

Freeman isn't forcing her into this. It's not pedophillic or incestual in nature
That view rests upon the idea that the near universal incest probation is purely a biological/genetic concern. I've read that many academics have revised their ideas about why humans created incest prohibitions. The increased likelihood of bad genetic consequences from inbreeding isn't as high as popularly believed. Many scholars now believed that the psychological and sociological harms of romantic relationships with those in familial roles (as well as the benefits of exogamy) may have more to do with why an incest taboo is such a widespreade cultural feature.

So basically, a romantic relationship between a stepgrandfather who was involved in the upbringing and a stepgranddaughter likely does involve harms the taboo was intended to combat.

[Spackling Compound]

Maybe but they have also been wrong. Like in the case of the possible Sarah Palin adultery article they printed.

There is a correction in the story. They meant to say "nearly" a decade rather than "more than" a decade concerning the longevity of the relationship. It seems she was a teen when/if it began.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

For those who say its not creepy if Freeman was seeing and gonna marry his step-granddaughter , lets ask a question. Would it be creepy if she were his cousin and not related ? Because society frowns on that as well if we watch.

I like Morgan Freeman as an actor. He was awesome in Million Dollar Baby , but its creepy guys. As creepy as when Woody did it with his adopted daughter . (plus the skits on Mad TV and SNL were pretty hard so I can see how his career suffered)

[lexid523]

For those who say its not creepy if Freeman was seeing and gonna marry his step-granddaughter , lets ask a question. Would it be creepy if she were his cousin and not related ? Because society frowns on that as well if we watch.

Honestly, I don't "frown on" cousins-by-marriage marrying, any more than I do in-laws siblings marrying.

People frown on blood-cousins marrying because, well, we all saw what happened to the royal families of Europe.

[Reverend Smooth]

So basically, a romantic relationship between a stepgrandfather who was involved in the upbringing and a stepgranddaughter likely does involve harms the taboo was intended to combat.
We're usually wired to generally respond negatively to our siblings and parental figures in terms of sex, that's pretty standard and is probably instinctive biological hardwiring (but note that those things are never universal anyway and there's always some variance). The fact that it hits folks to whom we're not related is likely just a side-effect.

Not that I'm excusing anything, but there is no great intelligence behind evolution if you're looking at it from a scientific point of view. We're just wired to /usually/ not get the hots for our family, since the ancestors who felt an aversion were more likely to successfully produce offspring that had less genetic defects.

And frowning on blood cousins is not universal, nor is there a guarantee of genetic defects. If in doubt, just get yourself and your partner screened for genetic conditions if you plan on spewing out crotchspawn.

[7thangel]

There is a correction in the story. They meant to say "nearly" a decade rather than "more than" a decade concerning the longevity of the relationship. It seems she was a teen when/if it began.

the story came about during his bitter divorce with his wife, who demanded it after he was caught cheating with another woman publicly (maybe 10 years his junior). it's her accusation not some organization investigating.

what did his wife do with this bit of 'knowledge' before he crashed his car while his mistress orally took him to heaven? if it's true, why is it only coming out now? was morgan getting caught publicly with a 40+ (i think) chick the last straw?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Honestly, I don't "frown on" cousins-by-marriage marrying, any more than I do in-laws siblings marrying.

People frown on blood-cousins marrying because, well, we all saw what happened to the royal families of Europe.

We're usually wired to generally respond negatively to our siblings and parental figures in terms of sex, that's pretty standard and is probably instinctive biological hardwiring (but note that those things are never universal anyway and there's always some variance). The fact that it hits folks to whom we're not related is likely just a side-effect.

Not that I'm excusing anything, but there is no great intelligence behind evolution if you're looking at it from a scientific point of view. We're just wired to /usually/ not get the hots for our family, since the ancestors who felt an aversion were more likely to successfully produce offspring that had less genetic defects.

And frowning on blood cousins is not universal, nor is there a guarantee of genetic defects. If in doubt, just get yourself and your partner screened for genetic conditions if you plan on spewing out crotchspawn.

I know many when they think WV , its all hillbillies nailing their cousins. Its an image we all have as a state I suppose next to Kentucky and all. It gets some lewd jokes from time to time. I mostly laugh at them .

I did hear that Rudy Gialiani married his cousin (since divorced) and it shocked me a dude running for President would have that in his past.

[Reverend Smooth]

I know many when they think WV , its all hillbillies nailing their cousins. Its an image we all have as a state I suppose next to Kentucky and all. It gets some lewd jokes from time to time. I mostly laugh at them .

I did hear that Rudy Gialiani married his cousin (since divorced) and it shocked me a dude running for President would have that in his past.
It's legal in canada, the uk, and a lot of other countries iirc. And in a lot of US states. I know the stereotype, though. Heck, the same kinds of stereotypes hit folks from my part of canada (mostly because some ethnic groups were shut out of being able to marry anyone else and communities had huge numbers of folks 'removed'), even though that kind of thing is legal everywhere.

[johnnyhotsauce]

Ohhh that would be awesome funny....


(does his best Morgan Freeman impression...)

"It was a hot day on the 4th of July , ...me in my white boxers with the satin texture and her ...in her panties with the beautiful lace. We were bored from watching the Jerry Springer show. The show was about couples fighting after sexual intercourse and as I looked into her eyes , I knew then...I Morgan Freeman ....was getting it on today."


Morgan Freeman sex narrating FTW :biggrin:
That alone beats out the creepy factor of him hooking up with his, uh, step-granddaughter :eek:

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It's legal in canada, the uk, and a lot of other countries iirc. And in a lot of US states. I know the stereotype, though. Heck, the same kinds of stereotypes hit folks from my part of canada (mostly because some ethnic groups were shut out of being able to marry anyone else and communities had huge numbers of folks 'removed'), even though that kind of thing is legal everywhere.

Yeah I believe in VA and WV its allowed here as well. Suprises me Canada would have that. The things ya learn online.

Morgan Freeman sex narrating FTW :biggrin:
That alone beats out the creepy factor of him hooking up with his, uh, step-granddaughter :eek:

I'd really do more details....but this is a PG Message board. :tongue:

[johnnyhotsauce]

I'd really do more details....but this is a PG Message board. :tongue:

I was wondering why Morgan Freeman would be watching the Jerry Springer show. :biggrin:

[FalconX2000]

I want to ask you guys. Do you not like Freeman's relationship with his step-granddaughter because it is wrong, creepy, or wrong and creepy? If your answer includes 'wrong', why?

I would fuck Morgan Freeman and I'm five years younger than his soon-to-be ex-step-granddaughter/wife. Again, dude's a fox.

I'd be gay for Morgan Freeman.

Who does he think he is? God?

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7074/morganfreeman.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/i/morganfreeman.jpg/)

Right. The "who are we to judge" is, pardon me, bull.

This isn't some arbitrary age issue. This is a man cheating on his wife for TEN years. Add to that the "who" its happening with, and we don't even have to get into the age issue to be able to condemn it.

Sometimes wrong is just wrong. It's not "intolerant" to not celebrate the fact that this old man can still get it up.

Is it, as 4pointOh says, "none of my business"? Yes. That's true. But that doesn't mean we can't be disgusted by it. It just means we aren't going to be leading a pack of villagers with torches after him. I don't have to wish the man well. Then again, my wishes (or lack thereof) aren't going to affect him one way or the other.

The affair part is wrong. However, that's not what people are taking aim at. Apparently, sleeping with someone who is a few decades younger and related to you by law rather than blood is so disgusting the affair hardly requires any attention.

[Spiffy]

The affair part is wrong. However, that's not what people are taking aim at. Apparently, sleeping with someone who is a few decades younger and related to you by law rather than blood is so disgusting the affair hardly requires any attention.

They're both wrong. Why? Because the betrayal is in two parts. Cheating on his marriage is part one. Part two is the extra layer of betrayal with who its with.

If we want to be brutally honest, the betrayal would probably be similar if it was with a sister, a daughter or a mother. Except perhaps out of the four possibilities, I'd imagine that "granddaughter" has to be the most humiliating (although its all a matter of degree since they're all bad).

So yeah. The actual "sex with a younger woman with no blood relation" isn't the end of the world, assuming it actually happened, and assuming Freeman DIDN'T actually bounce the girl on his knee at some point in the past (unless its some kinky sex game), or regularly participate in other grandparent-like behavior towards her. It's the level of rat-bastard he'd have to be to not only cheat on, but humiliate his wife this way (and now with the extra embarrassment of the world finding out that she's been replaced with her own granddaughter). And if some sort of seduction of the girl was involved at some point (although who knows, it could have gone the other way initially), he gets idiot points for that too.

Worst of all is carrying on with this for so long. That means it wasn't simply some aberration, some brief loss of judgment. It's a campaign.

If this was done to a man I know it would be referred to as cuckolding. Not sure what the term is if you do it to a woman. But that's just for a normal affair. When you add the who and the how long? Then it goes to a whole other level.

Given all this I can't believe that ANYONE would really go "good for him", "I wish them well" or "so what"? Well maybe that last is understandable if was really meant as "this bores me" instead of "what's wrong with it?".

[Charles RB]

If your answer includes 'wrong', why?


Because it's his step-granddaughter, key word "granddaughter".

[Venom Melendez]

For those who say its not creepy if Freeman was seeing and gonna marry his step-granddaughter , lets ask a question. Would it be creepy if she were his cousin and not related ? Because society frowns on that as well if we watch.

I like Morgan Freeman as an actor. He was awesome in Million Dollar Baby , but its creepy guys. As creepy as when Woody did it with his adopted daughter . (plus the skits on Mad TV and SNL were pretty hard so I can see how his career suffered)

Well, tecnically she's his ex-stepdaughter now that he's divorced. They're no longer related.

Technically.

[spoon_jenkins]

We're usually wired to generally respond negatively to our siblings and parental figures in terms of sex, that's pretty standard and is probably instinctive biological hardwiring (but note that those things are never universal anyway and there's always some variance). The fact that it hits folks to whom we're not related is likely just a side-effect.

Not that I'm excusing anything, but there is no great intelligence behind evolution if you're looking at it from a scientific point of view. We're just wired to /usually/ not get the hots for our family, since the ancestors who felt an aversion were more likely to successfully produce offspring that had less genetic defects.
But my point was that the view that you express is declining somewhat in academic circles. Meanwhile, the view that the incest taboo is based concerns about familial relationship rather than genetics is on the upswing.

[Crowforge]

It's almost like he daring us to like him after this.

[Reverend Smooth]

But my point was that the view that you express is declining somewhat in academic circles. Meanwhile, the view that the incest taboo is based concerns about familial relationship rather than genetics is on the upswing.
I'll wait to see more research before changing my mind, but I'm interested in what they say. The answer's probably somewhere in between, imo.

[Crowley]

Here's the thing... their are lines you don't cross no matter what.

Morgan Freeman and Woody Allen were both men in parental roles with young ladies who were akin to daughters to them. There's a trust there. Not just between parent and child "related" or not, but between the two spouses who've agreed to bring up this child. As a responsible adult you don't cross that line.

Both Freeman and Allen are men of celebrity and wealth, they can get any other women really... why keep it at home? It's stupid and it's verging on abusive.

[Spiffy]

Here's the thing... their are lines you don't cross no matter what.

Morgan Freeman and Woody Allen were both men in parental roles with young ladies who were akin to daughters to them. There's a trust there. Not just between parent and child "related" or not, but between the two spouses who've agreed to bring up this child. As a responsible adult you don't cross that line.

Both Freeman and Allen are men of celebrity and wealth, they can get any other women really... why keep it at home? It's stupid and it's verging on abusive.
This logic seems to be conveniently dumped whenever someone wants to defend this.

It has NOTHING to do with blood relation or lack thereof.

[boolean]

It's only women who definitely become infertile later in life. Men usually keep producing sperm until they die. Before the little blue pill, it was mostly just ED that kept older men from making babies.

That and monogamy (sometimes).

[Reverend Smooth]

It's only women who definitely become infertile later in life. Men usually keep producing sperm until they die. Before the little blue pill, it was mostly just ED that kept older men from making babies.
Though it should be noted that older men's sperm carries a higher risk for genetic defects and much lower viability, just like an older woman's eggs.

[Crowforge]

It's only women who definitely become infertile later in life. Men usually keep producing sperm until they die. Before the little blue pill, it was mostly just ED that kept older men from making babies.
And the god damned decency to not have kids they'll die on.

[Venom Melendez]

Here's the thing... their are lines you don't cross no matter what.

Morgan Freeman and Woody Allen were both men in parental roles with young ladies who were akin to daughters to them. There's a trust there. Not just between parent and child "related" or not, but between the two spouses who've agreed to bring up this child. As a responsible adult you don't cross that line.

Both Freeman and Allen are men of celebrity and wealth, they can get any other women really... why keep it at home? It's stupid and it's verging on abusive.

This was already preoven to be false so it's moot anyway.

[Reverend Smooth]

So this HAS been debunked?

[Crowforge]

So this HAS been debunked?
Hmmm, looking into it this was reported by the national enquirer so it's 50/50 from the start.

[Reverend Smooth]

THis is the magazine of alien babies, after all. x.x

[Spackling Compound]

THis is the magazine of alien babies, after all. x.x

Not true, and a misconception by many. The Star is the one with Bat-boy and alien babies. The National Enquirer usually has the "Prophecies for 2010" and "Baby Suri's Diet Nightmare!" stories.

To their journalism accuracy, the National Enquirer did report on the John Edward's affair first, among other things. I believe they also broke the Lewinski story first.

[Reverend Smooth]

Not true, and a misconception by many. The Star is the one with Bat-boy and alien babies. The National Enquirer usually has the "Prophecies for 2010" and "Baby Suri's Diet Nightmare!" stories.

To their journalism accuracy, the National Enquirer did report on the John Edward's affair first, among other things. I believe they also broke the Lewinski story first.
IIRC, in the 80s and 90s, they indeed had alien baby stories. My friend's mom loved that magazine.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Which one has the finns marrying finns and swedes marrying swedes?

[galactica]

To their journalism accuracy, the National Enquirer did report on the John Edward's affair first, among other things. I believe they also broke the Lewinski story first.

Blind squirrel......

Even a broken clock......

The John Edwards thing was the exception no the rule.

[Spackling Compound]

The Enquirer still does the "Parrot Weighs 200 lbs" and "Did Lincoln Visit Obama In Seance?" story but most is celebrity fodder and, some hits.

This is a picture of Freeman and the girl in question at the premiere of Dark Knight (I believe):

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/edena-hines.jpg

[Spackling Compound]

The Enquirer was seen as "credible" during the OJ trial, especially with some of the information regarding the bloody footprints.

The Enquirer also had the first breakthrough of Bristol Palin's pregnancy.

The Enquirer had the Lewinsky-Clinton story first.

The Gary Hart story first.

And the thing about "Fantasy Island Star's Diet Nightmare!"...well, ok, not that.

[FalconX2000]

Well, tecnically she's his ex-stepdaughter now that he's divorced. They're no longer related.

Technically.

They were never related by blood. The way I see it this is no better or worse than any 70 year old rich man marrying a much younger lady. Not my cup of tea, but with no objective grounds of any sort for moral condemnation. Everyone is free to their own subjective tastes, but basing fundamental morals on such tastes is one of the big reasons for bigotry in this world, including why gay marraige is so hard to pass.

As for familial roles, relationships change. People grow, children don't have the same relationship with the people who raised them forever.

[7thangel]

The Enquirer was seen as "credible" during the OJ trial, especially with some of the information regarding the bloody footprints.

The Enquirer also had the first breakthrough of Bristol Palin's pregnancy.

The Enquirer had the Lewinsky-Clinton story first.

The Gary Hart story first.

And the thing about "Fantasy Island Star's Diet Nightmare!"...well, ok, not that.

they weren't first on this. they didn't even do any investigation prior to the 2nd wife making the claim in their divorce proceedings.

[mgs]

This is a picture of Freeman and the girl in question at the premiere of Dark Knight (I believe):

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/edena-hines.jpg
:eek:
Ick.

I wonder how he was introducing her (if that's her)? *nausea* :frown:

[Spiffy]

They were never related by blood. The way I see it this is no better or worse than any 70 year old rich man marrying a much younger lady. Not my cup of tea, but with no objective grounds of any sort for moral condemnation. Everyone is free to their own subjective tastes, but basing fundamental morals on such tastes is one of the big reasons for bigotry in this world, including why gay marraige is so hard to pass.

As for familial roles, relationships change. People grow, children don't have the same relationship with the people who raised them forever.

So you don't see a moral obligation to respect the familial relationships, the dignity of, and the feelings of an ex? Anything's fair game?

I'm sorry, but I can't respect that position, or anyone who truly believes it. Comparing it to gay marriage is a dodge in my opinion too. There's no fair basis for comparison between the two. Gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone. Backstabbing an ex by dating their close relatives? That does.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The Enquirer still does the "Parrot Weighs 200 lbs" and "Did Lincoln Visit Obama In Seance?" story but most is celebrity fodder and, some hits.

This is a picture of Freeman and the girl in question at the premiere of Dark Knight (I believe):

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/edena-hines.jpg

:eek:
Ick.

I wonder how he was introducing her (if that's her)? *nausea* :frown:

does his best Morgan Freeman)

"And this you wonderful people , who I had a pleasure of doing the Dark Knight with , for many hours during the days and the nights....this is my beautiful stunning princess ______ (don't know her name) . She is simply a beautiful creature who you know I am knocking sideways every chance I get. The bed with us does a lot of bouncing and I do not mean we are jumping on the bed. No my good friends , we are having romantic time in that bed as the night is full."

[FalconX2000]

So you don't see a moral obligation to respect the familial relationships, the dignity of, and the feelings of an ex? Anything's fair game?

I'm sorry, but I can't respect that position, or anyone who truly believes it. Comparing it to gay marriage is a dodge in my opinion too. There's no fair basis for comparison between the two. Gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone. Backstabbing an ex by dating their close relatives? That does.

No no. I don't see the ex being mentioned by the disapproving posts here that I've been targeting. I've stated earlier that having the affair was wrong. It breached the trust of the ex-wife, to whom he swore to be faithful to.

What I am arguing against is the negative response to the marraige of an old man to his former stepdaughter. I am arguing within those factors.