The Tattooed Man.... Hero?

[Pink Bat Maxine]

I really love the character, but.... A hero?
He's a serial killer. He killed people for such sins as being rude to waiters. And he killed a LOT of people for just such 'crimes'.
I can't accept him as a hero. Not with what he's done

[jdwrocks]

I really love the character, but.... A hero?
He's a serial killer. He killed people for such sins as being rude to waiters. And he killed a LOT of people for just such 'crimes'.
I can't accept him as a hero. Not with what he's done
I assume we are talking the new Tattoed Man. Naw, he aint a hero, but he's in that redeemable stage. He does love his family, and I am rooting for him. FC:Submit was a great showcase for the character.

I guess it depends on whether you can forgive someone for their past. What do they have to do to be accepted?

[Pink Bat Maxine]

I assume we are talking the new Tattoed Man. Naw, he aint a hero, but he's in that redeemable stage. He does love his family, and I am rooting for him. FC:Submit was a great showcase for the character.

I guess it depends on whether you can forgive someone for their past. What do they have to do to be accepted?

Multiple concurrent life sentances. For so many premeditated homicides? If he could ever be a hero he'd have to, by dictate of his conscience, willingly turn himself in and accept the consequences of his actions.

It's great he loves HIS family, but what of the families of his victims?

[jdwrocks]

Multiple concurrent life sentances. For so many premeditated homicides? If he could ever be a hero he'd have to, by dictate of his conscience, willingly turn himself in and accept the consequences of his actions.

It's great he loves HIS family, but what of the families of his victims?
I understand what your saying. But he is an interesting character, & think he's got a place in the DCU as a "good guy". He'll probably end up on the Suicide Squad with other questionable people. Or maybe in the Outsiders.

But I see your point with the multiple offenses. When it becomes a pattern, it's tough to trust or even root for the guy.

[Pink Bat Maxine]

I understand what your saying. But he is an interesting character, & think he's got a place in the DCU as a "good guy". He'll probably end up on the Suicide Squad with other questionable people. Or maybe in the Outsiders.

But I see your point with the multiple offenses. When it becomes a pattern, it's tough to trust or even root for the guy.

Oh he's fascinating. And as an antihero he works great. Don't get me wrong, I want more of him. But as a hero, he can't work and be free at the same time.

[Gumbo Maximillian]

Multiple concurrent life sentances. For so many premeditated homicides? If he could ever be a hero he'd have to, by dictate of his conscience, willingly turn himself in and accept the consequences of his actions.

It's great he loves HIS family, but what of the families of his victims?

Maybe but then what would going to jail for the rest of his life?

Couldn't it also be argued that by dictate of his conscience, people in general, albeit not the victims family, would be better served by him going around performing heroics and thus turning himself in to assuage his guilt would be the "more selfish" decision?

And what makes the goverment at large or the legal system the arbiter of moral right and justice?

By that I mean does the character look at the law like its some great thing or does he just look at it as rules made by people enforced by a corrupt system etc....and so on?

[Adam C]

I enjoyed Morrison's portrayal of Tattooed Man in Final Crisis: Submit and how played him off Black Lightning, but I just looked up some information and damn...I see what you're getting at Maxine. It's like Morrison didn't know anything about the character at all and wrote him more as a typical-hardened thug that turned to crime due to poverty (at least that's what I get from the characterization) rather than the delusional killer he was introduced as.

(Which is a pretty disappointing oversight considering Morrison's penchant for searching out and digging up obscure characters.)

[K-DoG7p7]

I really love the character, but.... A hero?
He's a serial killer. He killed people for such sins as being rude to waiters. And he killed a LOT of people for just such 'crimes'.
I can't accept him as a hero. Not with what he's done

You know that he didnt kill them for stuff like that.. but that was what he tattooed on them..
like the first guy we see him kill "Weakness: Women" he was an accountant for Tobias Whale that he was hired to kill.. it was a job. and its safe to say that the rest where too.

[Charles RB]

He killed people for such sins as being rude to waiters.

But let's not forget he's done bad things too.

[Pink Bat Maxine]

Maybe but then what would going to jail for the rest of his life?

Couldn't it also be argued that by dictate of his conscience, people in general, albeit not the victims family, would be better served by him going around performing heroics and thus turning himself in to assuage his guilt would be the "more selfish" decision?

And what makes the goverment at large or the legal system the arbiter of moral right and justice?

By that I mean does the character look at the law like its some great thing or does he just look at it as rules made by people enforced by a corrupt system etc....and so on?

So we should let Charles Manson out if he wants to drive for Meals on Wheels?

If you're a hero, and a fugative from justice for crimes you most certainly did commit, you cannot be considered a hero while refusing to face the consequences of your own actions. How can you flee (righteous) justice while proporting to fight for justice? It's oxymoronic. If you were wrongly accused, that's another thing, but that's not the case here. He's a dead-to-rights multiple murderer.

[Pink Bat Maxine]

You know that he didnt kill them for stuff like that.. but that was what he tattooed on them..
like the first guy we see him kill "Weakness: Women" he was an accountant for Tobias Whale that he was hired to kill.. it was a job. and its safe to say that the rest where too.

Fair point.

But he did kill them. A lot of 'them's. His mix of motivations may yet be debated.

[K-DoG7p7]

Fair point.

But he did kill them. A lot of 'them's.

So did Hal.. So did Ollie.. should I go on?

[Pink Bat Maxine]

So did Hal.. So did Ollie.. should I go on?

And they killed all of these people in cold blood for money and in retribution for having a weakness for women?

I missed the Green Lantern/Green Arrow: Contract Killers era of stories, I guess.

Honestly, I think the solution is to ignore everything that came before Morrison here.

[the4thpip]

I really love the character, but.... A hero?
He's a serial killer. He killed people for such sins as being rude to waiters. And he killed a LOT of people for just such 'crimes'.
I can't accept him as a hero. Not with what he's done

Well, you have to realize that the scales have shifted.

You used to have goody two-shoes, nerdy heroes like the Atom and tougher, on the edge vigilantes like Batman, the Creeper and, well, Vigilante.

Now Ray Palmer is a torturer, so clearly you will have some serial killers who are acceptable as heroes in the all-dark, all-grim DCU.