Lamest, worst Marvel covers of all time? [Archive]

LordEd1976

07-07-2009, 12:44 PM

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4474/liefeldbill18sd9.jpg

I just don't understand the disembodied head and arm, really. Also the shield is bent, when it's an impossible-to-bend-shield. I'll just pretend those are the only problems.

I was wondering about that floating head myself. I mean when was the last the secret to a good comic cover was having Lt Ilia's smiling head on it?

Spidey616

07-07-2009, 12:49 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/x-force/3-1.jpg

Frostious

07-07-2009, 12:56 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/x-force/3-1.jpg

I will never be able to look at this and not laugh/cringe/cry at Spidey's "straight-up dog's ass and legs". "Jesus Christ Liefeld drew a dog’s hindquarters on him."

Push You Down

07-07-2009, 01:29 PM

Truth be told, other than the weird Spider-butt... I actually really like that X-force cover.

Ite

07-07-2009, 01:31 PM

Oh, Plasmer.....

http://comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/185/92830_20070506230117_large.jpg

LMAO!!! What in the world was this?

agrich

07-07-2009, 01:48 PM

Even as a kid I knew this was pretty lame.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/fantastic-four/238-1.jpg

daveageallen

07-07-2009, 01:51 PM

LOL...way to start a new thread! :biggrin:

So, how about...you know, maybe posing some pics yourself or at least indicating what you consider to be some of Marvel's worst covers? Just an idea.

i was at work and it blocks me from sending pictures.

here is what made me think ofmaking this thread..

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/32345-2400-36075-1-captain-america_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/2400-36075-1-captain-america/105-32345/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/20107-2128-22436-1-avengers-the_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/2128-22436-1-avengers-the/105-20107/)

i like werewolf by night, but this is band. why is only his head in shadows. looks like he was beheaded anda wolf is standing behind him.

LiefeldFanatiX

07-07-2009, 01:57 PM

I just don't understand the disembodied head and arm, really. Also the shield is bent, when it's an impossible-to-bend-shield. I'll just pretend those are the only problems.
The head and arm are explained in the story.
LMAO!!! What in the world was this?
Plasmer was one of the many Marvel UK comic books that Marvel published in the 1990s. I think this one was a 4 issue mini.

coconutphone

07-07-2009, 01:58 PM

Even as a kid I knew this was pretty lame.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/fantastic-four/238-1.jpg

I like this one. I'm a fan of the 4th wall breaking ones. She-Hulk threatening to rip up our X-Men comics for example.

newscott

07-07-2009, 02:05 PM

i was at work and it blocks me from sending pictures.

here is what made me think ofmaking this thread..

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/20107-2128-22436-1-avengers-the_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/2128-22436-1-avengers-the/105-20107/)

i like werewolf by night, but this is band. why is only his head in shadows. looks like he was beheaded anda wolf is standing behind him.

The Hawkeye/ Ant-Man is one of the greatest covers of all time.

All time.

It's amazing.

lobsterj

07-07-2009, 02:33 PM

that dumb as hell thor ipod cover they did recently.

agrich

07-07-2009, 02:34 PM

I like this one. I'm a fan of the 4th wall breaking ones. She-Hulk threatening to rip up our X-Men comics for example.

I'm OK with the readers being addressed, but Byrne drawing himself onto a cover kind of bothers me, I guess. I was never a big fan of him being a character in the "Trial of Galactus" issue, either. And mind you, I loved his F.F. run overall.

daveageallen

07-07-2009, 02:38 PM

The head and arm are explained in the story.

Plasmer was one of the many Marvel UK comic books that Marvel published in the 1990s. I think this one was a 4 issue mini.

i know, i own it. its a dumb cover. he turns into a wolf. so his head is in shadow and not the rest of him? the plot doesnt make a bad cover work

Spidey616

07-07-2009, 02:39 PM

that dumb as hell thor ipod cover they did recently.

Still wondering what he's listening to. My guess-If I had a Hammer by Peter, Paul, and Mary :wink:

http://www.marvelcomics.pl/wysiwyg/news/2009-02/Hotaru/Other/Thor/thor601v.jpg

coconutphone

07-07-2009, 02:43 PM

I love the iPod one :)

I hate the ones where the characters talk to no one in particular like

"Oh no if Aunt May opens that door she'll discover my secret!"

daveageallen

07-07-2009, 02:49 PM

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/7082-1995-7753-1-flash-the_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/1995-7753-1-flash-the/105-7082/)

had to do it. i dont know if its lame, or the plot it hints at.

ocelotrevs

07-07-2009, 02:52 PM

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4474/liefeldbill18sd9.jpg

I just don't understand the disembodied head and arm, really. Also the shield is bent, when it's an impossible-to-bend-shield. I'll just pretend those are the only problems.

You know, I never really understood the Liefeld hate until I saw that. It's all come together now.

ShaggyB

07-07-2009, 02:54 PM

Still wondering what he's listening to. My guess-If I had a Hammer by Peter, Paul, and Mary :wink:

http://www.marvelcomics.pl/wysiwyg/news/2009-02/Hotaru/Other/Thor/thor601v.jpg

hes listening to Thor God Of Metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZMitisDbzQ) aka Slayer - Raining Blood.

Guest_1001

07-07-2009, 03:00 PM

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4474/liefeldbill18sd9.jpg

I just don't understand the disembodied head and arm, really. Also the shield is bent, when it's an impossible-to-bend-shield. I'll just pretend those are the only problems.

Personally, I'm wondering how the rips on his jeans managed to be exactly symmetrical. :biggrin:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/7082-1995-7753-1-flash-the_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/1995-7753-1-flash-the/105-7082/)

had to do it. i dont know if its lame, or the plot it hints at.

I actually cringed when I read that dialogue. Seriously, I did. Sure, it's DC, but a cover this bad needs to be seen.

Hrist

07-07-2009, 03:04 PM

Personally, I'm wondering how the rips on his jeans managed to be exactly symmetrical. :biggrin:

And he's wearing such nice dress shoes with his symetrically ripped jeans.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/x-men-phoenix/2-1.jpg

NickFury90

07-07-2009, 03:06 PM

Its funny; Astonishing X-men has some of my favorite covers of all time, and also some of the worst.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/astonishing-x-men/10-6.jpg

I mean seriously...the ****? What the heck were they thinking with THAT crap? I think they were trying to prove that a X-men book with Whedon's name on it will sell no matter what. Considering that it sold 134,986(right behind GL #1 with 168k), mission accomplished.

coconutphone

07-07-2009, 03:12 PM

Once again I like it. It's different and sticks out. Assuming it's about Xavier it fits.

Cthulhudrew

07-07-2009, 03:13 PM

Even as a kid I knew this was pretty lame.

This is great. They need to start doing more of these, considering some of the "deceptive" covers that have come out lately featuring characters who either don't actually appear in the book, or don't appear in the manner depicted on the cover.

InSovietRussia

07-07-2009, 03:13 PM

I actually cringed when I read that dialogue. Seriously, I did. Sure, it's DC, but a cover this bad needs to be seen.

You think that's bad, do you? Let me introduce you to Superdickery.com, a compendium of all the ridiculous stuff ever to happen in superhero comics (with an emphasis on Superman being an asshat)...
http://www.superdickery.com

Here's an example of the sort of stuff you'll find there:

http://superdickery.com/images/stories/dick/1296_4_099.jpg

NickFury90

07-07-2009, 03:15 PM

I fear this thread will be very argumentative. Lets get all the controversial X-men covers out the way then!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/51152-9121-66994-1-new-x-men_super.jpg

blehbeh

07-07-2009, 03:18 PM

A 1994 gem, the period where the market over-saturation was at its worst, and the massive amount of books Marvel published were done by extremely amateurish and sloppy artists.

I'm sure we can find countless more from this era..

http://comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/57/34461_20060401111932_large.jpg

Hibbleton

07-07-2009, 04:19 PM

I fear this thread will be very argumentative. Lets get all the controversial X-men covers out the way then!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/51152-9121-66994-1-new-x-men_super.jpg

Quitely made Emma Frost look like Miss Piggy. His art distracted me so much that I couldn't enjoy New X-Men At all. Well that and how Morrison always uses the sound "TT". Whats that supposed to be?

Gitaroo_Dude

07-07-2009, 04:33 PM

I fear this thread will be very argumentative. Lets get all the controversial X-men covers out the way then!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/51152-9121-66994-1-new-x-men_super.jpg

Nothing by Quitely should ever be in a thread featuring Liefeld.

I'm shocked and appalled.

CyberHubbs

07-07-2009, 04:34 PM

Emma is packing some serious heat there.

Syrant

07-07-2009, 04:40 PM

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3080/venomcrotch.png

I actually like this cover, but now that I think about it, a crotch-shot of Venom? Woah dude.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8950/skrullkillkrewcoverbybl.jpg

so bad it's good

remoteman

07-07-2009, 04:45 PM

Haha that cover with the cow is awesome! WTF? :biggrin:
Where is it from?

Guest_1001

07-07-2009, 04:50 PM

I fear this thread will be very argumentative. Lets get all the controversial X-men covers out the way then!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/51152-9121-66994-1-new-x-men_super.jpg

The first thought that sprang to my mind when looking at that was "why is Emma Frost wearing a diaper?"

Syrant

07-07-2009, 04:59 PM

Haha that cover with the cow is awesome! WTF? :biggrin:
Where is it from?
Skrull Kill Krew #2, Kirkham variant.

I still need to pick that up, actually...

NickFury90

07-07-2009, 05:26 PM

Nothing by Quitely should ever be in a thread featuring Liefeld.

I'm shocked and appalled.

Even Gods have their off-days

diablo7

07-07-2009, 09:45 PM

Still wondering what he's listening to. My guess-If I had a Hammer by Peter, Paul, and Mary :wink:

http://www.marvelcomics.pl/wysiwyg/news/2009-02/Hotaru/Other/Thor/thor601v.jpg

stupid thor doesn't he know that the won't be able to hear anything with the headphones on the wings of his helmet

coconutphone

07-07-2009, 09:52 PM

I'm pretty sure the headphones aren't actually plugged into it either.

Iron Maiden

07-07-2009, 10:03 PM

Gosh, I hope someone can find the cover of Superman doing the Krypton Krawl :tongue:

Sub-Zero MKA

07-07-2009, 11:32 PM

Gosh, I hope someone can find the cover of Superman doing the Krypton Krawl :tongue:

you mean this one :tongue
http://api.ning.com/files/AXftl4moKTHkBsT3oBVe6SaMzAH9VgHxqlxWaX93qfJNnYIx6P FAeKiZ5x9LFbtn-ew267FuN1tBrPyGTDeDf1QX7-Cpxqg6/jimmy088kryptonCrawl.jpg

Push You Down

07-07-2009, 11:37 PM

You think that's bad, do you? Let me introduce you to Superdickery.com, a compendium of all the ridiculous stuff ever to happen in superhero comics (with an emphasis on Superman being an asshat)...
http://www.superdickery.com

Here's an example of the sort of stuff you'll find there:

http://superdickery.com/images/stories/dick/1296_4_099.jpg

What's funny is that I have an issue of Lois Lane with it reversed. I believe Batman is holding a picture of Lois and Lana fighting and accusing her of killing Lana, while Superman objects.

LungerTony

07-08-2009, 12:23 AM

Practically every cover from this Namor series was lame as all hell.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/378/120807-62453-namor_super.jpg

Iron Maiden

07-08-2009, 12:51 AM

Thanks! that's got to be one of the most doofus Superman covers .

you mean this one :tongue
http://api.ning.com/files/AXftl4moKTHkBsT3oBVe6SaMzAH9VgHxqlxWaX93qfJNnYIx6P FAeKiZ5x9LFbtn-ew267FuN1tBrPyGTDeDf1QX7-Cpxqg6/jimmy088kryptonCrawl.jpg

Expletive Deleted

07-08-2009, 05:52 AM

Marvel only, please.

Thanks.

FlintEastwood

07-08-2009, 05:54 AM

Oh, Plasmer.....

http://comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/185/92830_20070506230117_large.jpg

ROFL.

here are come that I think are stupid:

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/38210/400/38210_4_001.jpg

I think his chest looks disproportionately large compared to the rest of his body.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/hulk/278-2.jpg

Next issue: Hulk fights for gay marriage!

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/namor/34-1.jpg

I call this one "Veins".

newscott

07-08-2009, 07:19 AM

I fear this thread will be very argumentative. Lets get all the controversial X-men covers out the way then!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/51152-9121-66994-1-new-x-men_super.jpg

I have always liked this cover.

I'm not one for pinups either, but this one really stands out.

newscott

07-08-2009, 07:27 AM

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/uncanny-x-men/244-1.jpg

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/uncanny-x-men/245-6.jpg

Back to back terrible covers on Uncanny X-Men.

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/uncanny-x-men/419-13.jpg

You know what'll draw the reader in? An unrecognizable woman on the cover. With "x"s on her jacket.

LiefeldFanatiX

07-08-2009, 07:43 AM

Personally, I'm wondering how the rips on his jeans managed to be exactly symmetrical. :biggrin:
.
Back in the '90s, you could buy symmetrically torn jeans at the store. Thems the good ol' days :)

TOAA

07-08-2009, 08:39 AM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/namor/34-1.jpg

I call this one "Veins".

Who the hell drew this?

LiefeldFanatiX

07-08-2009, 08:49 AM

A 1994 gem, the period where the market over-saturation was at its worst, and the massive amount of books Marvel published were done by extremely amateurish and sloppy artists.

I'm sure we can find countless more from this era..

Really? I liked Kevin West's work. It was crappy compared to Jim Valentino's Guardians but it was OK to me.
I have always liked this cover.

I'm not one for pinups either, but this one really stands out.
What stands out in this cover to me is Emma's bulge on her crotch. Shes a tranny here!

Who the hell drew this?
Thats from Jae Lee. In the '90s he was considered to be one of the top artists.

blehbeh

07-08-2009, 09:32 AM

Really? I liked Kevin West's work. It was crappy compared to Jim Valentino's Guardians but it was OK to me.

Thats from Jae Lee. In the '90s he was considered to be one of the top artists.

I'd like Kevin West's work back then too....if he was my 14 year old cousin and handed me his drawings of superheroes, telling me how much he loves comics and how much he wants to break into the field. I'd tell him he's "getting better" and to "keep at it!" Marvel had "professional artists" of that caliber all over books in that era.

And Jae Lee is amazing. He deserved a "top artist" status. Although Namor's veins on that cover were a bit excessive, even for an over the top artist like Jae Lee, and even though he was meant to be the "Namor the Savage" during those issues..

TOAA

07-08-2009, 09:51 AM

Thats from Jae Lee. In the '90s he was considered to be one of the top artists.

I`m so glad that i wasn`t around back then.

the4thpip

07-08-2009, 09:53 AM

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/1571_4_228.jpg

Al Milgrom. Great editor. Fine inker. Horrible pencil artist.

lou-bert vs. q-bert

07-08-2009, 10:10 AM

I think many of these covers are nice. The only problem I have is with the Emma Frost one, it's not that it's bad, but it looks nothing like her. She's not Chinese plus the rest of her body is average and not slammin' like it should be.

coconutphone

07-08-2009, 10:16 AM

coconutphone

07-08-2009, 10:16 AM

Ite

07-08-2009, 11:57 AM

A 1994 gem, the period where the market over-saturation was at its worst, and the massive amount of books Marvel published were done by extremely amateurish and sloppy artists.

I'm sure we can find countless more from this era..

http://comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/57/34461_20060401111932_large.jpg

Who's the guy with the white beard in the middle?

blehbeh

07-08-2009, 12:20 PM

Who's the guy with the white beard in the middle?

"Hollywood." AKA Simon Williams AKA Wonder Man.

newscott

07-08-2009, 12:29 PM

Good lord those are all horrible. The on the noseness of the 1st 2 and the horrible manga art of the 3rd. Ick.

I still have no idea about who that is. It's so...bland/weird.

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/uncanny-x-men/427-1.jpg

Warren Worthington III got RIPPED!

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/daredevil/162-2.jpg

DD versus a ... big cat? And two guys with knives! Oh no!

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/daredevil/196-1.jpg

Bruno-posed Wolverine has claws that come out of his palms.

blehbeh

07-08-2009, 12:32 PM

I still have no idea about who that is. It's so...bland/weird.

I was no fan of those days of Uncanny X-Men, or the cover...but it's clearly Husk. I have no idea how that would be questioned, unless someone has never read the book or was just unfamiliar with the characters....

More 1994 scribble fun!

http://comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/96/51827_20060716144654_large.jpg

http://comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/53/31730_20060314171341_large.jpg

newscott

07-08-2009, 12:36 PM

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/daredevil/101-1.jpg

What...THE...F???

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/iron-man/63-1.jpg

Suck Rainbow, Shell-head!

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/iron-man/101-1.jpg

This is why Tony was Pro-SHRA. Chains and clubs took him down?

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/iron-man/320-1.jpg

This is just filthy. I know it's "supposed" to be tears, but, um... look where he's holding the helmet.

coconutphone

07-08-2009, 12:36 PM

What about it makes it clealry Husk? She doesn't have any sort of iconic costume or power signature. She's not ripping off a layer of skin or anything. It's a young blonde girl.

Iron Maiden

07-08-2009, 12:38 PM

After Byrne left, it was a pretty bleak period for the FF,

Even the usually excellant Buscema brothers had a clunker here and there.

The Wizard looks like a pedophile in this one....

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/MB%20comic%20Scans/FF301_cover.jpg

This Ron Frenz cover is lame mostly by virtue of the lame villain that was introduced and thankfully never seen again (I hope)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/MB%20comic%20Scans/FF308_cover.jpg

blehbeh

07-08-2009, 12:41 PM

We can't forget Hawkeye's 1994 pal, Rover!

http://comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/68/38880_20060502153827_large.jpg

http://comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/68/38882_20060502154004_large.jpg

But what's funny, is that terrible cover of issue 4 is SCOTT KOLLINS, who went on to mature and improve and become a great artist. So in some ways, it's great that Marvel gave those amateur artists a chance in those days...

blehbeh

07-08-2009, 12:42 PM

What about it makes it clealry Husk? She doesn't have any sort of iconic costume or power signature. She's not ripping off a layer of skin or anything. It's a young blonde girl.

Er, wha? She's wearing the exact same costume Husk wears in the book, and she's grabbing stretchy skin on her face to peel it off?

newscott

07-08-2009, 12:45 PM

We can't forget Hawkeye's 1994 pal, Rover!

http://comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/68/38882_20060502154004_large.jpg

Wow.

I really like Scott Kollins. That cover is...nightmarish. Hauntingly awful.

coconutphone

07-08-2009, 12:52 PM

Is that what she's doing? That's just terrible. And she hardly appeared enough to have a well known look/costume.

Regarldess it's terrible. Manga influence just doesn't work with X-Men IMO.

Robodojo

07-08-2009, 12:57 PM

blehbeh

07-08-2009, 12:58 PM

Is that what she's doing? That's just terrible. And she hardly appeared enough to have a well known look/costume.

Regarldess it's terrible. Manga influence just doesn't work with X-Men IMO.

Yeah. That was the costume she wore throughout Chuck Austen's run on the book when she was a member. Designed by Asamiya or whatever his name was. It was perhaps one of the stupidest costumes that a Marvel superhero ever wore.

A girl, with the mutant power to TEAR OFF HER SKIN + COSTUME wore an outfit consisting of...thigh high leggings, boots, little gloves, a loose belt, a mini-skirt, a shirt, and a jacket. It was too ridiculous for words.

lobsterj

07-08-2009, 01:03 PM

Designed by Asamiya or whatever his name was. It was perhaps one of the stupidest costumes that a Marvel superhero ever wore.
.

That guy designed a lot of terrible costumes for his x-men run.

Robodojo

07-08-2009, 01:04 PM

Yeah. That was the costume she wore throughout Chuck Austen's run on the book when she was a member. Designed by Asamiya or whatever his name was. It was perhaps one of the stupidest costumes that a Marvel superhero ever wore.

A girl, with the mutant power to TEAR OFF HER SKIN + COSTUME wore an outfit consisting of...thigh high leggings, boots, little gloves, a loose belt, a mini-skirt, a shirt, and a jacket. It was too ridiculous for words.She should have worn one of those tear-away warm-up jumpers like they do in the NBA. Either that, or find out where the Hulk gets those extremely durable purple stretchy pants.

coconutphone

07-08-2009, 01:19 PM

LOL Love those purple pants.

Guest_1001

07-08-2009, 01:28 PM

This Ron Frenz cover is lame mostly by virtue of the lame villain that was introduced and thankfully never seen again (I hope)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/MB%20comic%20Scans/FF308_cover.jpg

Actually, he turned up in Christos Gage's Union Jack miniseries a few years back (along with about ten other Z-List villains) and he was pretty good. :biggrin: Didn't look like that, thankfully. That would've been a tad controversial.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4322/54422316.png

newscott

07-08-2009, 02:27 PM

The ... Surgeon ... General?

Kill me...

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/daredevil/306-1.jpg

I haven't the words...

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/daredevil/311-1.jpg

newscott

07-08-2009, 02:34 PM

Such drama!
http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/captain-america/301-12.jpg

Is this lame, or 100% awesome. It's hard to tell sometimes...
http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/captain-america/303-13.jpg

Sometimes, you remember why Cap's death touched the hearts of so many people.
http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/captain-america/395-2.jpg

Iron Maiden

07-08-2009, 02:43 PM

Actually, he turned up in Christos Gage's Union Jack miniseries a few years back (along with about ten other Z-List villains) and he was pretty good. :biggrin: Didn't look like that, thankfully. That would've been a tad controversial.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4322/54422316.png

Wow.... Someone actually used Fasaud again??! I assume his role was a minor one so they probably don't explain how he isn't a television signal anymore.

Guest_1001

07-08-2009, 03:06 PM

Wow.... Someone actually used Fasaud again??! I assume his role was a minor one so they probably don't explain how he isn't a television signal anymore.

Yeah, pretty minor. I seem to remember he was imprisoned in a Faraday cage for most of the series, so he didn't do much (although he inadvertently helped defeat a tougher villain and was shown to have helped sneak weapons of mass destruction into the country, which I thought was a clever use of his powers). He still occasionally appeared all translucent-y and see-through though, although thankfully not cartoony, like in his first appearance.

There, that was a fun little tangent . . . :biggrin:

FlintEastwood

07-08-2009, 03:57 PM

This is the nexus of all abhorrent comic book art. Simply stated, it is legend.

http://i.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/livestock~captain.jpg

Don't know if this was for a cover though, but it raises so many interesting questions that I thought it might be worth including even if it wasn't a cover.

Oh my god...WTF...How can you look at that and think you did a good job? Seriously, did he just sit back and say, "yeah, I drew that. I'm a badass"?

That reminds me of this website I visited a while back that featured disproportioned art in advertisements. This is exactly the same variety.

Madison Carter

07-08-2009, 05:59 PM

Is this lame, or 100% awesome. It's hard to tell sometimes...
http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/captain-america/303-13.jpg

100% awesome. Especially in context of the story itself.

The Confessor

07-08-2009, 08:14 PM

Is this lame, or 100% awesome. It's hard to tell sometimes...
http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/captain-america/303-13.jpg

100% awesome!

'Nuff said!

Joe Franklin

07-08-2009, 08:30 PM

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/1/1a/Secret_Defenders_Vol_1_15.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Xforce12.jpg

http://culpable.blogsome.com/images/ultff.jpg

Talkie Toaster

07-08-2009, 08:53 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/wolverine/104-1.jpg

blehbeh

07-08-2009, 08:58 PM

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/1/1a/Secret_Defenders_Vol_1_15.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Xforce12.jpg

Oooh Secret Defenders and Pacella! Good ones! Some of the worst of the worst of the '93-'94 era art.

Kirayoshi

07-08-2009, 09:53 PM

I`m so glad that i wasn`t around back then.
In Jae Lee's defense, he got better when he stopped trying to be the next Bill Sienkiewicz. His work in Fantastic Four: 1234(written by Grant Morrison) was very good.

The Confessor

07-08-2009, 10:24 PM

http://culpable.blogsome.com/images/ultff.jpg

What's wrong with that one? I actually think that's quite a nice cover.

JP Morgan

07-08-2009, 11:03 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/fantastic-four/402-1.jpg

JP Morgan

07-08-2009, 11:12 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/alpha-flight/122-1.jpg

poor poor sasquatch

JP Morgan

07-08-2009, 11:19 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/daredevil/364-1.jpg

striderhirryu2

07-08-2009, 11:36 PM

What's wrong with that one? I actually think that's quite a nice cover.

Nothing really from a technical point of view. However, it is drawn by Greg Land so it's traced either from porn or a Vicoria's Secret(or Sears) catalog.

spidarwin

07-09-2009, 12:41 AM

Zombie knock-off (homage) covers.

I refuse to post examples, but I'm sick of 'em.
It's not that they're knock-offs - it's that they're ALL very poorly done.

URRRR. BRAINZ. URRRR.

spidarwin

07-09-2009, 12:45 AM

striderhirryu2

07-09-2009, 12:55 AM

Yeah...

Rob Liefield would find a way to screw up a plain white cover with no illustration.

All he'd have to do is draw on it.

the4thpip

07-09-2009, 01:27 AM

I do believe that Cap drawing was for a trading card series. And who knew the super soldier serum contained so much estrogen?

Justin K.

07-09-2009, 01:47 AM

Justin K.

07-09-2009, 01:52 AM

What's wrong with that one? I actually think that's quite a nice cover.

http://www.pcpowerplay.com.au/games/images/blog_images/darrenw/longcat.jpg

The Confessor

07-09-2009, 07:40 AM

However, it is drawn by Greg Land so it's traced either from porn or a Vicoria's Secret(or Sears) catalog.

Heh! That's probably why I like it! :biggrin:

coconutphone

07-09-2009, 07:46 AM

Yeah I like that UFF cover. I actually liked Land's UFF work for the most part. Much better than his Uncanny. That Alpha Flight cover is pretty bad though LOL.

LiefeldFanatiX

07-09-2009, 08:19 AM

Man you guys are tough critics.
In Jae Lee's defense, he got better when he stopped trying to be the next Bill Sienkiewicz. His work in Fantastic Four: 1234(written by Grant Morrison) was very good.

I never understood why people like Sienkiewicz. His artwork looks so messy, his characters look stiff and his inking makes other pencillers work look bad. Sienkiewicz should never be inking anyone. His cover paintings are OK though.
What's wrong with that one? I actually think that's quite a nice cover.
Yea it looks very nice too me. Land is a talented artist.

Frostious

07-09-2009, 08:32 AM

What's wrong with that one? I actually think that's quite a nice cover.
Something along these lines:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v34/frostious/laaaand.jpg

pharoahe22

07-09-2009, 10:01 AM

Something along these lines:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v34/frostious/laaaand.jpg

Yeah but still it's not a bad cover...Land's a hack, but some of the stuff doesn't come out bad. I've seen covers much worst than this...you're just basing that off the fact that it's traced. If it wasn't Land, and you knew it wasn't traced, it wouldn't ba a bad cover at all.

the4thpip

07-09-2009, 10:03 AM

Man you guys are tough critics.

I never understood why people like Sienkiewicz. His artwork looks so messy, his characters look stiff and his inking makes other pencillers work look bad. Sienkiewicz should never be inking anyone. His cover paintings are OK though.

Yea it looks very nice too me. Land is a talented artist.

Well, your username explains it all. :tongue:

Sienkievicz can make a rather bkand pencil artist interesting. His inks made Sal Buscema's 90s Spider-Man something to behold, and they were the only reason to buy that recent War in Hell miniseries, whatever it was called.

Not to mention his classic runs on Moon Knight and New Mutants.

And Greg Land is as much of an artist as a club DJ is a composer.

rpriske

07-09-2009, 10:14 AM

It is odd what some people will hate. Not that you don't have a right to... it is just interesting how the subjective can be presented as objective

And I can do it too!

The worst in relatively recent cover has to be the tentacle rape cover of Heroes for Hire.

The worst further back that I can think of is the Avengers cover with the big hand with teeth on the fingers. Shudder.

pharoahe22

07-09-2009, 10:33 AM

That cover with Wolverine on the Transformers/New Avengers crossover was like the ugliest Wolverine I've ever seen...anyone have a pic of it? lol

lou-bert vs. q-bert

07-09-2009, 10:36 AM

The Alpha Flight cover may have a Sasquatch that doesn't look like Sasquatch, but it's still very well drawn. The lighting and colors fit their somber mood.

The DD/BW cover is surreal and actually tells a story. It's colorful and fun.

But to this day still won't get the random-Asian Emma Frost with the average body-type. Good drawing, horrible rendition of and established physical appearance.

Frostious

07-09-2009, 10:58 AM

you're just basing that off the fact that it's traced. If it wasn't Land, and you knew it wasn't traced, it wouldn't ba a bad cover at all.

Actually, I'm not particularly familiar with Land's work, and the cover didn't even look traced to me - heck, if it was traced, the anatomy probably wouldn't look so bad!

So yes, it would still be a bad cover because the chick's (sorry, not too familiar with any of FF's incarnations) body is just that awful and no amount of good inking/colouring/effects/whathaveyou are gonna fix that.

the4thpip

07-09-2009, 11:36 AM

Actually, I'm not particularly familiar with Land's work, and the cover didn't even look traced to me - heck, if it was traced, the anatomy probably wouldn't look so bad!

So yes, it would still be a bad cover because the chick's (sorry, not too familiar with any of FF's incarnations) body is just that awful and no amount of good inking/colouring/effects/whathaveyou are gonna fix that.

I think with even photographies of celebrities being stretched to unnatural shapes, few people still have a good sense of proportion.

http://jezebel.com/assets/resources/2007/07/redbookcoveranime0707.gif

Iron Maiden

07-09-2009, 12:04 PM

That cover with Wolverine on the Transformers/New Avengers crossover was like the ugliest Wolverine I've ever seen...anyone have a pic of it? lol

Yeah, the proportions of Wolverine are pretty bad. I don't remember who the artist was though.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/MB%20comic%20Scans/avntrans002_logos.jpg

Guest_1001

07-09-2009, 12:10 PM

Iron Maiden

07-09-2009, 12:16 PM

LOL.... I was going to say Chelsea Handler's sidekick Chuy

Paiute 1

07-09-2009, 12:59 PM

Justin K.

07-09-2009, 01:29 PM

http://imgarchive.info/200906/th_84594.jpg

LiNo

07-09-2009, 04:28 PM

Yeah, the proportions of Wolverine are pretty bad. I don't remember who the artist was though.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/MB%20comic%20Scans/avntrans002_logos.jpg

Jason Pearson. An amazing artist. Yeah, he's taken liberties here but it still a nice illustration.

And I'm sick of the glammed-up Wolverine - he's not meant to be pretty - he's an overly hairy runt.

And the Emma Frost piece is gorgeous. "Average body type"? Where do you live that that figure counts as "average"?

xorn87

07-09-2009, 04:55 PM

http://comiccoverage.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345158e369e20105363abd0c970c-450wi
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://comiccoverage.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345158e369e20105363abd0c970c-450wi&imgrefurl=http://comiccoverage.typepad.com/comic_coverage/worst-covers-ever/&usg=__6gDP-K07RToa-sBdE-jWHQjtI8E=&h=686&w=450&sz=144&hl=en&start=14&um=1&tbnid=inEwQHswuvl6-M:&tbnh=139&tbnw=91&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dworst%2Bmarvel%2Bcovers%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Spidey616

07-09-2009, 05:05 PM

Jason Pearson. An amazing artist. Yeah, he's taken liberties here but it still a nice illustration.

And I'm sick of the glammed-up Wolverine - he's not meant to be pretty - he's an overly hairy runt.

And the Emma Frost piece is gorgeous. "Average body type"? Where do you live that that figure counts as "average"?

Yeah, I thought it looked liked Pearson, whose recent covers for Deadpool and other Marvel titles I've really been loving.

StoneGold

07-09-2009, 05:10 PM

Jason Pearson. An amazing artist. Yeah, he's taken liberties here but it still a nice illustration.

And I'm sick of the glammed-up Wolverine - he's not meant to be pretty - he's an overly hairy runt.
\

Naw, it's just a crappy cover. Which is OK, even the greats have them.

http://www.spider-man.info/AmazingSpider-ManA/Large/AmazingSpider-Man008.jpg

StoneGold

07-09-2009, 05:16 PM

And Marvel bought Malibu, so it counts.

http://bulk2.destructoid.com/ul/72646-/SFcover-noscale.jpg

Push You Down

07-09-2009, 05:20 PM

whoa.. did the artist when a contest or something?

Design a Street Fighter Comic Cover! (must be under 9 years old to enter)

lobsterj

07-09-2009, 05:34 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/astonishing-x-men/17-1.jpg

StoneGold

07-09-2009, 05:42 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/astonishing-x-men/17-1.jpg

No, that's awesome.

Guest_1001

07-09-2009, 05:47 PM

No, that's awesome.

Agreed. I saw it in the best Marvel covers thread and loved it.

the4thpip

07-10-2009, 12:59 AM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/astonishing-x-men/17-1.jpg

Oh, I adored that one.

Shame about the bar code, though.

the4thpip

07-10-2009, 01:10 AM

Fake Kyle Baker?

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/4667_4_06.jpg

JJ Birch (Catwoman, Foolkiller, Xombi) doing Liefeld?!

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/4667_4_03.jpg

paulski

07-10-2009, 04:45 AM

Wow, close the thread now! Those two are friggin' ghastly!! :eek:

lou-bert vs. q-bert

07-10-2009, 10:02 AM

And the Emma Frost piece is gorgeous. "Average body type"? Where do you live that that figure counts as "average"?We've been saying that cover looks nothing like Emma. Whoever that woman is on that cover has a great body, as I've said, but average compared to what Emma Frost is.

LiefeldFanatiX

07-10-2009, 12:38 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/astonishing-x-men/17-1.jpg
Artist laziness sucks.

coconutphone

07-10-2009, 01:12 PM

Naw, it's just a crappy cover. Which is OK, even the greats have them.

http://www.spider-man.info/AmazingSpider-ManA/Large/AmazingSpider-Man008.jpg

Good lord that's awful.

Jeremi

07-10-2009, 01:30 PM

Artist laziness sucks.

Whut?

Just found this.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/38525-4249-43284-1-what-if-_super.jpg

Jota

07-10-2009, 06:03 PM

Yeah. That was the costume she wore throughout Chuck Austen's run on the book when she was a member. Designed by Asamiya or whatever his name was. It was perhaps one of the stupidest costumes that a Marvel superhero ever wore.

A girl, with the mutant power to TEAR OFF HER SKIN + COSTUME wore an outfit consisting of...thigh high leggings, boots, little gloves, a loose belt, a mini-skirt, a shirt, and a jacket. It was too ridiculous for words.I always tought that the costume made her look like a prostitute. To make things worse, she looks like she's in street corner in that cover.

Jota

07-10-2009, 06:17 PM

Artist laziness sucks.Yes it does. He could at least made the face a bit bigger. That's ridiculous!

blehbeh

07-10-2009, 06:20 PM

Whut?

Just found this.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/38525-4249-43284-1-what-if-_super.jpg

Good lord, I've never seen that one. That might be close to first place....

Guest_1001

07-10-2009, 06:26 PM

Yes it does. He could at least made the face a bit bigger. That's ridiculous!

He could've but I don't think he should've. Part of the comedy comes from it being so minimalist.

Iron Maiden

07-10-2009, 07:13 PM

Whut?

Just found this.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/38525-4249-43284-1-what-if-_super.jpg

What If.....Wolverine had Adamantium Hair?

riffraff

07-10-2009, 07:17 PM

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/4690/400/4690_4_41.jpg

riffraff

07-10-2009, 07:20 PM

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/4690/400/4690_4_35.jpg

Green Griffin

07-10-2009, 07:37 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/astonishing-x-men/17-1.jpg

That's a winner for best cover not worse.

tkitna

07-10-2009, 08:16 PM

Guido is just wrong.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/uncanny-x-men/278-2.jpg

LiefeldFanatiX

07-10-2009, 08:51 PM

Guido is just wrong.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/uncanny-x-men/278-2.jpg
Back in the '90s Guido was drawn like that everywhere. I kind of like that cover. It looks like Portacio's work.

Jeremi

07-10-2009, 11:50 PM

What If.....Wolverine had Adamantium Hair?

My only question is were the hell are his bone claws coming from?

Micca

07-11-2009, 02:31 AM

whiteshark

07-11-2009, 02:56 AM

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3765/111839-18354-108752-1-spider-man-2099_super.jpg

StoneGold

07-11-2009, 03:04 AM

http://www.comicrelated.com/graphics/EminemPunisher_Cover.jpg

For a variety of reasons. Pick one, that's probably it.

The Confessor

07-11-2009, 06:57 AM

Hey riffraff, comics.org doesn't allow hotlink to their images anymore. So we can't see your choices.

the4thpip

07-11-2009, 07:12 AM

Yes it does. He could at least made the face a bit bigger. That's ridiculous!

The cover is to convey that Wolverine's mind has been manipulated to make him feel like a scared, lost child. A bigger face would have failed to do that as effectively.

Guest_1001

07-11-2009, 07:21 AM

It's maybe not the worst cover of all time, but I was recently re-reading my Ultimate X-Men collection and when I reached this issue I remembered how much I have always disliked the cover:

http://i32.tinypic.com/29zwo0p.jpg

I think the art is awful.

I don't think the art's too bad but the cover's definitely all wrong. It does just look like they're posing for a photograph, especially with the shadows on the white backdrop.

http://www.comicrelated.com/graphics/EminemPunisher_Cover.jpg

For a variety of reasons. Pick one, that's probably it.

Oh, good Lord . . .

worstblogever

07-11-2009, 07:42 AM

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/113/49788_20060827151414_large.jpg
Because hentai-like tongues are what you want to think of, when you think of Venom.
http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/69/18693_20060503184344_large.jpg
Er... you tell 'em.
http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/69/18655_20060503180433_large.jpg
The protruding brow needed a gatefold, I think.
http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/64/18687_20060424110142_large.jpg
To this day, I look at that last one and think, "HULK SMASH NAMBLA!"

But yeah, I think I'm good for now.

SevereTireDamage

07-11-2009, 08:40 AM

You know, I never really understood the Liefeld hate until I saw that. It's all come together now.

The worst cover ever.

Rob draws men's faces like they are taking a shit.
The floating face is creepy.
Small feet, typical of Rob's art.
Only thing missing was Nick Fury or someone holding a gun that is twice the size of their body.
but the red skull looks cool....but it doesn't matter b/c whe you look at it you get refocused to the floating head and arm. WTF???

FlintEastwood

07-11-2009, 02:06 PM

Here are some I found while browsing Iron Man:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/iron-man/1-6.jpg

Look at the size of those calfs!

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/iron-man/6-1.jpg

He looks stumpy, especially when throwing a disproportionate man twice his size that seems to have no depth.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/iron-man/23-1.jpg

Invincible Iron butt!

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/iron-man-1998/44-1.jpg

He's been working out his hands.

FlintEastwood

07-11-2009, 02:16 PM

For those of you interested in Rob Liefeld's atrocities, there's a list of his 40 worst drawings at this website:

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

Don't pee in the (Dead)pool

07-11-2009, 02:46 PM

For those of you interested in Rob Liefeld's atrocities, there's a list of his 40 worst drawings at this website:

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

That article/rant makes me chuckle every time I read it!:biggrin:

Michael P

07-11-2009, 04:19 PM

The cover is to convey that Wolverine's mind has been manipulated to make him feel like a scared, lost child. A bigger face would have failed to do that as effectively.

THANK you.

Also, a guy who goes by "LiefeldFanatiX" doesn't get to call John freakin' Cassaday "lazy."

Michael P

07-11-2009, 04:20 PM

FanboyStranger

07-11-2009, 07:08 PM

This has become my favorite thread in a long time. Some of these covers are so bad I can't decide whether to laugh or cry. Thanks to all contributors.

Jota

07-11-2009, 08:23 PM

The cover is to convey that Wolverine's mind has been manipulated to make him feel like a scared, lost child. A bigger face would have failed to do that as effectively.It would also distract him from whatever he was doing instead of drawing when he was "working" in Astonishing X-Men. It's just mind-bogling how his interiours started to get worse, he produced covers like that and still couldn't put out a issue in less then four months time.

FlintEastwood

07-11-2009, 10:19 PM

That article/rant makes me chuckle every time I read it!:biggrin:

Yeah, it's a good article. I like how they've discovered Liefeld's "little feet syndrome". I look for it in every one of his drawings.

Iron Maiden

07-11-2009, 10:27 PM

Thanks for the hilarious rants in the Liefield link...I think he must have been one of the reasons why I quit Marvel back then. There's no justice in the world if he got richer off that stuff than Jack Kirby ever did or that they had to raise money for Gene Colan and the late Dave Cockrum's medical bills.

Micca

07-11-2009, 10:32 PM

I don't think the art's too bad but the cover's definitely all wrong. It does just look like they're posing for a photograph, especially with the shadows on the white backdrop.

Hmmm suppose we all have different opinions, I just think the art is very poor. It's one of the worst "attempts" to draw Wolverine I've ever seen. Like I said, maybe not the worst cover of all time, but it's certainly my worst in the Ultimate series.

Sabrinaset

07-11-2009, 10:40 PM

John Buscema must've had an off day on this one:

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/fantastic-four/304-1.jpg

I remember getting this one in an eBay lot, and thinking "Maaaan, when you need an asterix on a cover to explain what you mean ..."

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/daredevil/121-1.jpg

And there's also this, just for the sheer dumbness of it:

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/daredevil/132-1.jpg

Okay, you're going to attack Daredevil by shooting yourself out of a cannon? Dude, how did you fire it? And aren't you worried about where you're going to land?

Slothdookie

07-11-2009, 11:14 PM

I'd say 95% of these examples I see no problem with. Art wise there are a few bad ones. I guess a couple have weird premises. But for the most part I don't see anything wrong with them. Different strokes I guess.

spiderwire

07-11-2009, 11:22 PM

For those of you interested in Rob Liefeld's atrocities, there's a list of his 40 worst drawings at this website:

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

LMAO now that was funny. I don't care who you are.

Iron Maiden

07-11-2009, 11:24 PM

Doom 2099 was a good series from the 1990's but towards the end the 2099 line suffered from the upheavals going on at Marvel and some of the staff were let go or quit. For some reason, the final two issues of Doom 2099 were done in a cartoony style by artist Jeff Lafferty. I don't think he did much work for Marvel but he has a web page with some decent movie themed stuff.

In this one, it looks like Doom could use a couple of burgers to help fill out the armor.

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2862/doom209944.jpg

I am not even sure what's going on this cover except it reminds me of the time I moved and tried to reconnect all my PC and computer sh*t back up again by myself. I know the Doom of 2099 was captured by his past self and Namor and being held inside of Doom's spacejet.

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9720/doom209943.jpg

Jeremi

07-12-2009, 12:13 AM

THANK you.

Also, a guy who goes by "LiefeldFanatiX" doesn't get to call John freakin' Cassaday "lazy."

I was going to say that...though not that politely.

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/35327859294.15.GIF

StoneGold

07-12-2009, 02:11 AM

StoneGold

07-12-2009, 02:12 AM

I was going to say that...though not that politely.

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/35327859294.15.GIF

Granted, not Ashley Wood's best work, but far from terrible, either.

the4thpip

07-12-2009, 03:15 AM

Beyond lame:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/48084-3506-57520-1-secret-wars-ii_super.jpg

the4thpip

07-12-2009, 03:17 AM

I love how this looks like they are all singing.
Force Works: The Musical?

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/33120230232.13.GIF

Killing the Skru-hulls.
Killing the Skruuuu-huuuls!
Killing the Skrolls!

the4thpip

07-12-2009, 03:20 AM

When everything that can go wrong about anatomy and foreshortening does go wrong for Mark Bagley:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/amazing-spider-man/397-1.jpg

worstblogever

07-12-2009, 06:26 AM

When everything that can go wrong about anatomy and foreshortening does go wrong for Mark Bagley:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/amazing-spider-man/397-1.jpg

Eh, she's a VR construct, she can project herself to have unrealistic proportions, anyways. (you're right, though. I'm just fishin' for a no-prize.)

JET ACE LOGAN

07-12-2009, 06:40 AM

[QUOTE=Robodojo;9239645]This is the nexus of all abhorrent comic book art. Simply stated, it is legend.

http://i.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/livestock~captain.jpg
[/QUOTE

OMG that is just so bad, it can not be real................

spidarwin

07-12-2009, 06:57 AM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/astonishing-x-men/17-1.jpg
Artist laziness sucks.

Yes. However, the fact you fail to realize is this cover was done by John Cassady.

The cover was composed with the corner consisting of a cowering Wolverine
on purpose, to convey several concepts relevant to the storyline in minimalist
fashion, and intrigue the reader.

The fact you saw it as laziness, when Rob Liefield's so lazy he can't even bother to get the simple concept of proportional human anatomy, seems ironic.

Oh yeah, and Rob Liefield has no concept of cover composition, either.

the4thpip

07-12-2009, 07:57 AM

Eh, she's a VR construct, she can project herself to have unrealistic proportions, anyways. (you're right, though. I'm just fishin' for a no-prize.)

Now explain Spidey's huge noggin.

LiefeldFanatiX

07-12-2009, 08:06 AM

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/35327859294.15.GIF
Never saw the fandom behind Ashely Woods' work. I have all those GR 2099 titles and although the story was great, the art really made the book look bad to me.

The fact you saw it as laziness, when Rob Liefield's so lazy he can't even bother to get the simple concept of proportional human anatomy, seems ironic.

Oh no I think Liefeld is just as a lazy artist like that hack Cassidy is. The only difference between the two is that Liefeld can afford to be lazy with the money he made off comics and the money his wife made off acting. The man is set for life.
Now explain Spidey's huge noggin.
And his nose. But I find Bags to be a talented artist. I've enjoyed his work since he came onto Marvel in the late '80s.
http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/05336552142.16.GIF
Cassidy has a tendency to draw small faces that look grossly out of proportion with the rest of the body but he made Kitty look like a tranny. :(

LiefeldFanatiX

07-12-2009, 08:31 AM

TOAA

07-12-2009, 10:36 AM

I don`t see anything wrong with Cassaday`s work. But thats just me.

Iron Maiden

07-12-2009, 10:39 AM

I kind of like both of those, actually. They're quirky - I don't know if they'd work for interior art - but I like the image on the covers.

For me, this kind of art is hard to take for an entire 22 pages of story...

Check out how Reed seems to grow out of his spacecraft while Doom's cowl takes on the proportion of an airport windsock...maybe he's helping Reed land or something...

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2060/reed2099.jpg

If you thought Maleev's Namor looked weird, this one looks like the kid punk version...

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3831/doom42.jpg

Guest_1001

07-12-2009, 10:55 AM

I don`t see anything wrong with Cassaday`s work. But thats just me.

Same here. People are being way too picky. About a lot of these covers, rather than just Cassaday's, but I definitely think his most of all.

Personamanx

07-12-2009, 11:00 AM

Nothings wrong with Cassady's art.

But then again I have nothing against Modern-Liefeild.

Assemble

07-12-2009, 01:03 PM

http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05a/marvelaugust2008/SECINVFL002_cov.jpg

Hateit hateit hateit. Worst thing ever, from the worst mini-series ever

JET ACE LOGAN

07-12-2009, 01:22 PM

Nothings wrong with Cassady's art.

But then again I have nothing against Modern-Liefeild.

You really think that?

Can i ask , have you read Planetary ?

His art is great, he is just doing too many covers nowdays..........

Personamanx

07-12-2009, 01:23 PM

You really think that?

Can i ask , have you read Planetary ?

His art is great, he is just doing too many covers nowdays..........

I have not read it, but I've heard mostly good things.

Jota

07-12-2009, 05:52 PM

Yes. However, the fact you fail to realize is this cover was done by John Cassady..... And, because of that, it should never be criticized.

The cover was composed with the corner consisting of a cowering Wolverine
on purpose, to convey several concepts relevant to the storyline in minimalist
fashion, and intrigue the reader. Oh man, why don't you just ask him on a date and get it over with?
Look, I think Cassaday is fantastic, one of the best artists in the industry today, but that doesn't mean he should get a pass when he's lazy. And that cover is him being lazy.

Jota

07-12-2009, 05:54 PM

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/05336552142.16.GIF
Cassidy has a tendency to draw small faces that look grossly out of proportion with the rest of the body but he made Kitty look like a tranny. :(That, on the other hand, doesn't have anything wrong with it. It's a good cover and it's ridiculous to lump it with some that appeared in this thread.

StoneGold

07-12-2009, 08:18 PM

Cassidy has a tendency to draw small faces that look grossly out of proportion with the rest of the body but he made Kitty look like a tranny. :(

Which just goes to show you, staring at Liefeld's oversized, misshapen breasts warps your concept of actual human sexuality and proportions.

The fact that Kitty is relatively modest in the tit department doesn't make her either a transvestite or a transexual. Just means she has small tits. Which is how she usually is drawn.

lobsterj

07-12-2009, 08:22 PM

I think Cassaday is mostly sound, just painfully boring as an artist. And he skimped on backgrounds in Astonishing.

the4thpip

07-13-2009, 03:56 AM

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/3857_4_49.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/3857_4_42.jpg

Is that Guido disguising as the Punisher? :eek:

Shyft

07-13-2009, 04:14 AM

This thread is amazing. I have to say one of the biggest changes in quality is Jae Lee; His Namor in this thread is obviously "of the times" - everyone in the 90's was that veiny. But now, look at his work on the Inhumans, Sentry, Dark X-Men, Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men covers, and i'd say he's one of the best around.

the4thpip

07-13-2009, 11:36 AM

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/3648_4_0037.jpg

LiefeldFanatiX

07-13-2009, 12:01 PM

^ the entire art on those three Excalibur issues was just terrible. I believe these three issues came out right before the '90s boom when there were a lot of crappy comic book artists so I'm not sure why Marvel decided to hire this artist.

Iron Maiden

07-13-2009, 01:19 PM

That Excalibur arc was done by Mark Badger. He did work as an inker also, the one I most remember him for is doing the colors and inks over Mike Mignola's pencils in the graphic novel "Doctor Strange/Doctor Doom: Triumph and Torment". I can see your point though. That kind of highly stylized work to the point of distortion doesn't appeal to me either.

I did happen to pick up some pages on eBay of his color guides for the work done on the GN and it is kind of interesting because the colors and inks are done separately, with the inks done on a kind of transparancecy page and then colors blocked in on the page underneath...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/MB%20comic%20Scans/triumph2.jpg

the4thpip

07-13-2009, 01:37 PM

Looks like really, really average teenage fan art:

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/11999_4_012.jpg

paulski

07-13-2009, 09:13 PM

My god, some of the covers on the last few pages are complete excrement! :eek:

Ite

07-13-2009, 09:21 PM

Looks like really, really average teenage fan art:

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/11999_4_012.jpg

What the hecks The Living Tribunal doing there?

LungerTony

07-13-2009, 10:41 PM

Nova typically has amazing covers, but this one...it's like they are trying to rape each other. Nova's left leg...seriously?
http://comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/258/127256_20080511122930_large.jpg

marshal99

07-13-2009, 11:37 PM

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/uncanny-x-men/419-13.jpg

You know what'll draw the reader in? An unrecognizable woman on the cover. With "x"s on her jacket.

Hmmm....i like this one , nice wash of colors , very standout , very noir-ish. The art isn't bad either.

Wow.

I really like Scott Kollins. That cover is...nightmarish. Hauntingly awful.
Scott Kollins have improved a lot since then. In the past , he was a weak penciler.

When everything that can go wrong about anatomy and foreshortening does go wrong for Mark Bagley:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/amazing-spider-man/397-1.jpg

Mark Bagley must have a liefield moment , up there with Rob.
http://progressiveboink.com/b/images/rob/liefeldgirl1.gif

StoneGold

07-13-2009, 11:54 PM

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/31030418644.1.GIF

StoneGold

07-13-2009, 11:59 PM

OK, here's the thing. It's not that the cover, as seen here, is that bad. But the top part folded out in some incomprehensible way that spoiled that Wonder Man dies inside the book, and generally just destroys the cover.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ee/Force_Works_no_1.jpg/388px-Force_Works_no_1.jpg

Babylon23

07-14-2009, 12:50 AM

I give you...M.C. Wyman!

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/14049250916.9.GIF

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/14049250916.11.GIF

Babylon23

07-14-2009, 12:51 AM

Did Liefeld trace that Cap cover from a photo of Arnold schwarzenegger? I seem to remember a very similar photo of Arnold back in his bodybuilding days.

the4thpip

07-15-2009, 12:49 AM

I give you...M.C. Wyman!

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/14049250916.11.GIF

Argh!
How is his left arm supposed to work? :eek:

the4thpip

07-15-2009, 12:51 AM

This is the nexus of all abhorrent comic book art. Simply stated, it is legend.

http://i.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/livestock~captain.jpg

Don't know if this was for a cover though, but it raises so many interesting questions that I thought it might be worth including even if it wasn't a cover.

Did Liefeld trace that Cap cover from a photo of Arnold schwarzenegger? I seem to remember a very similar photo of Arnold back in his bodybuilding days.

You might mean this one, but there is no way that the Cap pic could have been traced from any kind of human physiology.

http://www.meaus.com/1976-schwarzenegger.JPEG

Wolf-Man

07-15-2009, 12:59 AM

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/images-3/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-bodybuilding.jpg

that one I think

the4thpip

07-15-2009, 01:36 AM

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/images-3/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-bodybuilding.jpg

that one I think

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DTSboJzUQzk/RxYWq9RYoGI/AAAAAAAAA0c/YCDr2uNggfg/s400/LiefeldAnatomy.jpg

Tigereyes

07-15-2009, 07:18 AM

Not drawn persay...but it creeped me out as a kid

LiefeldFanatiX

07-15-2009, 08:00 AM

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/images-3/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-bodybuilding.jpg

that one I think
LOL! I guess that shits on Liefeled haters that say Cap's anatomy is wrong. I would not be surprised if Liefeld copied or traced it. Back in the '90s, Liefeld was not big but he was ripped; an avid body builder. He drew women with their butts sticking out which made their lower spine bend in an awkward way; and Liefeld haters also said that the anatomy was wrong. I used to wonder why they said the way he drew women was anatomically incorrect if you see fitness women posing in that manner in bodybuilding/fitness magazines. But then I thought to myself that most fans are pudgy and have not seen a fit woman outside porn or strip clubs so it would make sense that they would think its impossible for women to pose the way Liefeld tends to draw them.

pharoahe22

07-15-2009, 09:09 AM

LOL! I guess that shits on Liefeled haters that say Cap's anatomy is wrong. I would not be surprised if Liefeld copied or traced it. Back in the '90s, Liefeld was not big but he was ripped; an avid body builder. He drew women with their butts sticking out which made their lower spine bend in an awkward way; and Liefeld haters also said that the anatomy was wrong. I used to wonder why they said the way he drew women was anatomically incorrect if you see fitness women posing in that manner in bodybuilding/fitness magazines. But then I thought to myself that most fans are pudgy and have not seen a fit woman outside porn or strip clubs so it would make sense that they would think its impossible for women to pose the way Liefeld tends to draw them.

No I'm sorry dude...I work with fitness women all the time. I actually prefer fitness models because I like their shapes better when they model my clothing...some of my very good friends are fitness models and they do not bend like that. And that Cap is just all types of wrong its ridiculous. I'm not a Liefeld hater like some...I actually thought that the variant he did for Deadpool #1 with the skrulls was pretty dope...but when people complain about certain pieces of his art being out of proportion, they are 100% correct. if you look at Arnold, even though he looks huge there it still looks like it makes sense. Liefeld's Cap pic doesn't look like it makes sense at all.

LiefeldFanatiX

07-15-2009, 09:12 AM

No I'm sorry dude...I work with fitness women all the time. I actually prefer fitness models because I like their shapes better when they model my clothing...some of my very good friends are fitness models and they do not bend like that.
I give you example A. Plenty of women in the fitness industry pose this way. I don't know what to tell you, maybe you're not in the trendy fitness world?
http://www.poleacademyuk.co.uk/images/L01b.jpg

worstblogever

07-15-2009, 09:16 AM

pharoahe22

07-15-2009, 09:19 AM

I give you example A. Plenty of women in the fitness industry pose this way. I don't know what to tell you, maybe you're not in the trendy fitness world?
http://www.poleacademyuk.co.uk/images/L01b.jpg

Yes but that's completely proportionate. There's nothing wrong with that, and if he traced that exact pose, it wouldn't look funny. Nothing about this picture looks out of place. Put that and one of the women that people say Liefeld draws awkwardly next to each other and you'll see the difference. As a matter of fact, if I can find that one pic I'll do it for you.

LiefeldFanatiX

07-15-2009, 09:20 AM

Yes but that's completely proportionate. There's nothing wrong with that, and if he traced that exact pose, it wouldn't look funny. Nothing about this picture looks out of place. Put that and one of the women that people say Liefeld draws awkwardly next to each other and you'll see the difference. As a matter of fact, if I can find that one pic I'll do it for you.
heh, You got me on the feett and the legs but whats wrong with drawing big boobs? So all the characters he draws have implants. I'm all for that.

agrich

07-15-2009, 09:29 AM

I give you example A. Plenty of women in the fitness industry pose this way. I don't know what to tell you, maybe you're not in the trendy fitness world?
http://www.poleacademyuk.co.uk/images/L01b.jpg

Note how her shoulders, however, are not touching the pole as she stands. Unlike in this typical Liefeld image, for example, where she could easily do so.

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/93404148240.1.VARIANT.gif

LiefeldFanatiX

07-15-2009, 09:47 AM

Note how her shoulders, however, are not touching the pole as she stands. Unlike in this typical Liefeld image, for example, where she could easily do so.

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/93404148240.1.VARIANT.gif
Almost something like this?
http://media.photobucket.com/image/fitness%20olympia/Xiongshou/JenHendershott.jpg
A lot of the Fitness Olympia women have their upper backs parallel with their butts when they pose. I'm not sure why they do that.

agrich

07-15-2009, 09:51 AM

Keep in mind you're talking about a pose. You're not talking about a woman standing on a corner waiting for a bus, or a character standing around with her teammates devising a plan of action. I guess my point is that IS the criticism of Liefeld (or one of them); he couldn't (or didn't) ever credibly draw characters standing, but rather posing. Which often looked and looks ridiculous.

LiefeldFanatiX

07-15-2009, 09:55 AM

pharoahe22

07-15-2009, 09:59 AM

Almost something like this?
http://media.photobucket.com/image/fitness%20olympia/Xiongshou/JenHendershott.jpg
A lot of the Fitness Olympia women have their upper backs parallel with their butts when they pose. I'm not sure why they do that.

If you turned her sideways in the same position, you'd see the difference. Its kind of looks like Vogue has a dent in her spine or something. People's backs don't have that kind of spine curve even if they are sticking their butt out. I'm saying everything I'm telling you from experience, because I'm an artist as well, and sometimes, I have to watch my proportions, so I go to references to make sure that I have the pose right and in proportion. A lot of times, Liefeld doesn't do that, and things look off.

son of jorel

07-15-2009, 10:20 AM

I fear this thread will be very argumentative. Lets get all the controversial X-men covers out the way then!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/51152-9121-66994-1-new-x-men_super.jpg

all i could think of when i first saw this cover is .........CAMELTOE!

as well as :why is emma frost being drawn as some 13 year old oriental?

newscott

07-15-2009, 10:38 AM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/hulk/226-5.jpg

Look at that caption.

Hulk vs an old professor. Poor guy.

newscott

07-15-2009, 10:40 AM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/hulk/249-1.jpg

Oh my, another terrible caption. Ow.

newscott

07-15-2009, 10:44 AM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/hulk/355-1.jpg

Hulk Hate rainbows!

worstblogever

07-15-2009, 10:48 AM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/hulk/355-1.jpg

Hulk Hate rainbows!

Already posted it. With a funnier caption.

worstblogever

07-15-2009, 10:50 AM

Now explain Spidey's huge noggin.

She's squeezing all of the blood in his body into it?

(No, it's not very good.)

newscott

07-15-2009, 11:03 AM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/punisher/57-7.jpg

Photo covers rarely work.

newscott

07-15-2009, 11:05 AM

http://cache.coverbrowser.com/image/alpha-flight/20-1.jpg

FanboyStranger

07-15-2009, 11:09 AM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/punisher/57-7.jpg

Photo covers rarely work.

Except the entire run of Sandman Mystery Theatre. That Punisher is cover is pretty bad, though.

lobsterj

07-15-2009, 12:14 PM

LungerTony

07-15-2009, 12:23 PM

I know it's Marvel only...but I just couldn't resist not posting this gem.
http://www.comicsreporter.com/images/uploads/xxxgodzilla_thumb.jpg

LungerTony

07-15-2009, 12:31 PM

OMG. Iron Man versus a peeping Tom broken robot with a facewrap on?
http://static.flickr.com/3346/3571268258_03ffdb2510_b.jpg

FanboyStranger

07-15-2009, 12:46 PM

I know it's Marvel only...but I just couldn't resist not posting this gem.
http://www.comicsreporter.com/images/uploads/xxxgodzilla_thumb.jpg

God, I want this comic so bad. Plus, I want to write an update issue now that Barkley is actually bigger than Godzilla.

Ite

07-15-2009, 12:54 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/punisher/57-7.jpg

Photo covers rarely work.

Yeah look how weird this Amazing Spider-Man cover looks.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/amazing-spider-man/262-2.jpg

Iron Maiden

07-15-2009, 01:56 PM

That's got to be a finalist. In a way it fits because Marvel had the rights to do Godzilla at one time.

I know it's Marvel only...but I just couldn't resist not posting this gem.
http://www.comicsreporter.com/images/uploads/xxxgodzilla_thumb.jpg

newscott

07-15-2009, 02:50 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/spider-man/14-1.jpg

Sloppy.

Camron Amaya

07-15-2009, 03:30 PM

For me, this kind of art is hard to take for an entire 22 pages of story...

Check out how Reed seems to grow out of his spacecraft while Doom's cowl takes on the proportion of an airport windsock...maybe he's helping Reed land or something...

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2060/reed2099.jpg

If you thought Maleev's Namor looked weird, this one looks like the kid punk version...

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3831/doom42.jpg

OH THE HUMANITY...:eek:

LungerTony

07-15-2009, 03:35 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/spider-man/14-1.jpg

Sloppy.

Lol. To be honest...kind of like this cover. It's crazy looking, but in a good way, and I like the color scheme. Heh.

Alexrules

07-15-2009, 03:42 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/spider-man/14-1.jpg

Sloppy.

Todd McFarlane doesn't play by the rules. He goes his own way. I like it, because it's Todd. I believe in Todd!:biggrin:

striderhirryu2

07-15-2009, 04:23 PM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/spider-man/14-1.jpg

Sloppy.

Reminds me of the Liefeld Cap cover with the Red Skull and floating heads. Why do people love Todd Macfarlane again? And has he drawn anything recently?

Babylon23

07-15-2009, 06:11 PM

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/images-3/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-bodybuilding.jpg

that one I think

That's the one I was thinking of. Very similar pose. Maybe not a Land-style tracing but certainly copied from IMO.

4sake

07-15-2009, 06:45 PM

God, I want this comic so bad. Plus, I want to write an update issue now that Barkley is actually bigger than Godzilla.

http://www.mycomicshop.com/comicbooks/item?IID=8937401

Steffen

07-15-2009, 06:53 PM

Yeah look how weird this Amazing Spider-Man cover looks.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/amazing-spider-man/262-2.jpg

For what it's worth, here's an interesting bit of trivia on this cover. The guy in the photo is stuntman Scott Leva. Back in the 80s when Cannon was planning a Spider-Man film, Leva was hired to play Peter Parker/Spider-Man. At the time when the first Spidey movie was on the verge of pre-production, there was a lengthy article about Cannon's attempt, including photos of Leva in various Spider-Man costumes, including the black and Scarlet Spider versions. Wish I could find that article online now, but it was cool seeing those photos.

Oh and btw, I have this issue. The story was pretty good.

LiefeldFanatiX

07-15-2009, 07:26 PM

Reminds me of the Liefeld Cap cover with the Red Skull and floating heads. Why do people love Todd Macfarlane again? And has he drawn anything recently?
I like McFarlane. I don't like how he draws human faces but everything else, especially capes, looks pretty good to me. McFarlane is working on a new series with Kirkman called Haunt
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=274781
For what it's worth, here's an interesting bit of trivia on this cover. The guy in the photo is stuntman Scott Leva. Back in the 80s when Cannon was planning a Spider-Man film, Leva was hired to play Peter Parker/Spider-Man. At the time when the first Spidey movie was on the verge of pre-production, there was a lengthy article about Cannon's attempt, including photos of Leva in various Spider-Man costumes, including the black and Scarlet Spider versions. Wish I could find that article online now, but it was cool seeing those photos.
The Scarlet Spider costume? That can't be right. This Amazing Spidey issue came out in the '80s. The Scarpet Spide costume came out in the '90s.

Ite

07-15-2009, 07:30 PM

For what it's worth, here's an interesting bit of trivia on this cover. The guy in the photo is stuntman Scott Leva. Back in the 80s when Cannon was planning a Spider-Man film, Leva was hired to play Peter Parker/Spider-Man. At the time when the first Spidey movie was on the verge of pre-production, there was a lengthy article about Cannon's attempt, including photos of Leva in various Spider-Man costumes, including the black and Scarlet Spider versions. Wish I could find that article online now, but it was cool seeing those photos.

Oh and btw, I have this issue. The story was pretty good.

Wow thats some cool trivia, I have the issue to it was one of my first comics!

Steffen

07-15-2009, 07:34 PM

=The Scarlet Spider costume? That can't be right. This Amazing Spidey issue came out in the '80s. The Scarpet Spide costume came out in the '90s.

You're absolutely right, thanks for the correction. There were other live-action shots in later years featuring the SS suit - not too sure they were with Leva now that you made me think about this a little harder. I also found some links that you guys can check out:

http://www.superheroeslives.com/marvel/spider-man_the_movie_(1986).htm

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0205/07/lad.09.html

agrich

07-15-2009, 08:09 PM

For what it's worth, here's an interesting bit of trivia on this cover. The guy in the photo is stuntman Scott Leva. Back in the 80s when Cannon was planning a Spider-Man film, Leva was hired to play Peter Parker/Spider-Man. At the time when the first Spidey movie was on the verge of pre-production, there was a lengthy article about Cannon's attempt, including photos of Leva in various Spider-Man costumes, including the black and Scarlet Spider versions. Wish I could find that article online now, but it was cool seeing those photos.

Thanks for the trivia, never knew that story. I bought the issue when I was a kid -- think I actually had a subscription back then -- and always figured they just found somebody who worked around the office building, put a costume on him, and took a photo of it.

Maybe that is the story behind Dazzler 25, which was also a photo cover.

TimberBear

07-15-2009, 09:24 PM

actually i think this cover is kinda hot :biggrin:

Yeah look how weird this Amazing Spider-Man cover looks.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/amazing-spider-man/262-2.jpg

the4thpip

07-16-2009, 01:04 AM

LOL! I guess that shits on Liefeled haters that say Cap's anatomy is wrong. I would not be surprised if Liefeld copied or traced it. Back in the '90s, Liefeld was not big but he was ripped; an avid body builder. He drew women with their butts sticking out which made their lower spine bend in an awkward way; and Liefeld haters also said that the anatomy was wrong. I used to wonder why they said the way he drew women was anatomically incorrect if you see fitness women posing in that manner in bodybuilding/fitness magazines. But then I thought to myself that most fans are pudgy and have not seen a fit woman outside porn or strip clubs so it would make sense that they would think its impossible for women to pose the way Liefeld tends to draw them.

Um... dude. Look at the photo and the drawing. If Liefeld traced it, he is not even an adequate tracer. The reason Arnie's chest looks like that in the photo is that he is slightly turning towards the photographer, which Cap isn't. Also, the angles of Cap's arm make them look oscenely bloated as compared to Ahnold's.

You can't get your Rob off the hook that easily. Learn to use your eyes.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DTSboJzUQzk/RxYWq9RYoGI/AAAAAAAAA0c/YCDr2uNggfg/s400/LiefeldAnatomy.jpg

the4thpip

07-16-2009, 01:13 AM

Here is actually a good eye exercise, thanks to Jack Abel (happy birthday, Jack!) and Al Milgrom.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/1810_4_0095.jpg

Hulk is being held by a giant at arm's length. Yet Hulk manages to punch said giant in his shoulder.
Bah! Hulk smash puny perspective rules!

Edit: Also, just how long are Hulk's thighs??

Dark Traveller

07-16-2009, 03:49 PM

Almost something like this?
http://media.photobucket.com/image/fitness%20olympia/Xiongshou/JenHendershott.jpg
A lot of the Fitness Olympia women have their upper backs parallel with their butts when they pose. I'm not sure why they do that.

That's a completely different pose to the one drawn by Liefeld.
The pose in the link is a standard one used by women in media shots.
Providing your stomach is fairly flatish, if one stands with your legs sideways and twist your torso towards the camera, it makes your waist look narrower. And thus give you more of a figure.
It could be more popular with female athletes because they will have the flat stomach, but perhaps a more boyish figure which they will wish to down play.

dupersuper

07-16-2009, 04:13 PM

That's the one I was thinking of. Very similar pose. Maybe not a Land-style tracing but certainly copied from IMO.

Notice how Arnold is turning slightly toward the camera so his left side sticks out. Notice the lack of indication in the Cap picture that he's at an angle at all, thus giving no reason for his chest to look like that. Notice Arnolds arm is bent and goes all the way past his mid-section. Notice where Caps arm would be in relation to his stomach.

dupersuper

07-16-2009, 04:15 PM

Um... dude. Look at the photo and the drawing. If Liefeld traced it, he is not even an adequate tracer. The reason Arnie's chest looks like that in the photo is that he is slightly turning towards the photographer, which Cap isn't. Also, the angles of Cap's arm make them look oscenely bloated as compared to Ahnold's.

You can't get your Rob off the hook that easily. Learn to use your eyes.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DTSboJzUQzk/RxYWq9RYoGI/AAAAAAAAA0c/YCDr2uNggfg/s400/LiefeldAnatomy.jpg

Whoops; you beat me to it.