The real golden age!!

[rulkr00lz]

hey guys im new here but i read posts sometimes and i have to say some of the posts upset me very MUCH!!!!

i hate it when everyone is hating on marvel and sayin comics suck now. THEY ARE GOOD. today is the REAL golden age! ppl always saying they hate bendis or jeph loeb but they dont know what good even is. always talk about the OLD days and how they were good.

THE OLD DAYS SUCKED! my dad got me the essential avengers book and it sux. art is terrible and everything is LAME all the character designs suck nothing good!!! im so happy everything is different now. now avengers is cool with REAL heros like WOLVERINE and SPIDERMAN. those are real avengers not lame guys like vision or antman. Bendis is avengers god and made everything better he even got lame hawkeye and made him into a NINJA.

and i HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE THINK HULK SUCKS. HULK is the best comic out there because hulk is the strongest. rulk is fucking tight he even beat up thor because its good. if you dont like it shut up and read DC with stupid shit like green lantern.

speaking of green lantern its RIPOFF. red lantern where have i seen that before OH YEAH RULK. copycats

peace out HATERS

[Nefarius]

Ohhh,brother.:rolleyes:

[Zenith23]

hey guys im new here but i read posts sometimes and i have to say some of the posts upset me very MUCH!!!!

i hate it when everyone is hating on marvel and sayin comics suck now. THEY ARE GOOD. today is the REAL golden age! ppl always saying they hate bendis or jeph loeb but they dont know what good even is. always talk about the OLD days and how they were good.

THE OLD DAYS SUCKED! my dad got me the essential avengers book and it sux. art is terrible and everything is LAME all the character designs suck nothing good!!! im so happy everything is different now. now avengers is cool with REAL heros like WOLVERINE and SPIDERMAN. those are real avengers not lame guys like vision or antman. Bendis is avengers god and made everything better he even got lame hawkeye and made him into a NINJA.

and i HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE THINK HULK SUCKS. HULK is the best comic out there because hulk is the strongest. rulk is fucking tight he even beat up thor because its good. if you dont like it shut up and read DC with stupid shit like green lantern.

speaking of green lantern its RIPOFF. red lantern where have i seen that before OH YEAH RULK. copycats

peace out HATERS

you forgot to mention "nature's harmonic simultaneous 4-day cosmic cube."

this evil educator is signing off....

[Lord Moon]

I see......

[Soundrave]

hey guys im new here but i read posts sometimes and i have to say some of the posts upset me very MUCH!!!!

i hate it when everyone is hating on marvel and sayin comics suck now. THEY ARE GOOD. today is the REAL golden age! ppl always saying they hate bendis or jeph loeb but they dont know what good even is. always talk about the OLD days and how they were good.

THE OLD DAYS SUCKED! my dad got me the essential avengers book and it sux. art is terrible and everything is LAME all the character designs suck nothing good!!! im so happy everything is different now. now avengers is cool with REAL heros like WOLVERINE and SPIDERMAN. those are real avengers not lame guys like vision or antman. Bendis is avengers god and made everything better he even got lame hawkeye and made him into a NINJA.

and i HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE THINK HULK SUCKS. HULK is the best comic out there because hulk is the strongest. rulk is fucking tight he even beat up thor because its good. if you dont like it shut up and read DC with stupid shit like green lantern.

speaking of green lantern its RIPOFF. red lantern where have i seen that before OH YEAH RULK. copycats

peace out HATERS

Was this tongue-in-cheek satire? I can't tell.

Yes, Marvel is going through somewhat of a Renaissance at the moment, but I wouldn't attribute that to Loeb and/or Bendis. Rather, I think guys like Brubaker, Pak, Abnett, Lanning, Slott, Van Lente, and Gage are more responsible for the current state of Marvel comics.

[Gadget3440]

I don't think it was satire. Quite sad really. I'm just gonna carry on reading green lantern now

[rulkr00lz]

I read a bit of green lantern and its CRAP. red lanterns are such a ripoff. wow they work on RAGE. rage like the HULK. geoff johns sucks and will never be as good as loeb. he needs to STOP RIPPING HIM OFF. rulk is the msot badass character ever way better than red lantern wtf.

dc is just dumb in general. marvel is way better with events i love them every year expecially all the tieins. marvel should be all EVENTS to make it ONE STORY its better that way otherwise you get useless crap stories like agents of atlas or captain britain whcih NO ONE CARES ABOUT.

[LiefeldFanatiX]

The golden age is of course the '30s and '40s.Ffor most fans though, their golden age is when they started reading comics. Which would make sense. Fans get into comics because they like wha they read so naturally the first years that they get into comics will be their favorite.

[Gadget3440]

Please stop.

I'm embarrassed for you enough as it is without anymore further displays of ignorance.

Rulk is just a rip off of several previous incarnations of the Hulk. Absolutely nothing original there. The Red Lanterns are part of the concept of the spectrums of light and emotion. Perhaps I'm over-complicating, but I would argue John's work outshines Loeb in terms of originality and quality, the way a galaxy would a mere pebble.

On second thoughts, upon a second reading of your post, it does appear you may actually be messing around!

[Soundrave]

I read a bit of green lantern and its CRAP. red lanterns are such a ripoff. wow they work on RAGE. rage like the HULK. geoff johns sucks and will never be as good as loeb. he needs to STOP RIPPING HIM OFF. rulk is the msot badass character ever way better than red lantern wtf.

You had better sit down for this, because the knowledge I'm about to spit is going to shatter your entire belief system . . .

Red Lanterns
First Appearance: Green Lantern (vol. IV) #25 (December 2007)

Red Hulk
First Appearance: Hulk (vol. II) #1 (January 2008)

[Expletive Deleted]

The golden age is of course the '30s and '40s.Ffor most fans though, their golden age is when they started reading comics. Which would make sense. Fans get into comics because they like wha they read so naturally the first years that they get into comics will be their favorite.The old saw is "the golden age is twelve."

[Soundrave]

On second thoughts, upon a second reading of your post, it does appear you may actually be messing around!

Yes, it's almost certainly a parody of a rabid Marvel fanboy.

[Kylun123]

Rather, I think guys like Brubaker, Pak, Abnett, Lanning, Slott, Van Lente, and Gage are more responsible for the current state of Marvel comics.

I would add Aaron to that [short] list, would you?

he even got lame hawkeye and made him into a NINJA.

That's funny.

[rulkr00lz]

You had better sit down for this, because the knowledge I'm about to spit is going to shatter your entire belief system . . .

Red Lanterns
First Appearance: Green Lantern (vol. IV) #25 (December 2007)

Red Hulk
First Appearance: Hulk (vol. II) #1 (January 2008)

are you STUPID??????? ideas like rulk take time to come up with so its obvious that rulk was thought up BEFORE lame red lantern appearance. he ripped it off and stole it.

gadget you think this is a JOKE?????!!!!!! hulk is serious hes the STRONGEST why would I joke about the strongest marvel character?? go read your green lantern wow his superpower is a green flashlight HAHAHA LAME.

[passer-by]

Wow...

Had no idea 8-year olds were among us here...

And he calls us haters...


Thanks for the laugh though. You should send the opening post to Joe Q, I'm sure he'll reward you. Somehow.

[Blue Blazes]

wow http://i.pbase.com/o4/98/583898/1/63713938.qaEEdjG9.popcorn.gif

[rulkr00lz]

im not 8 im 13 gosh

you all think because youve been reading comics "BACK IN THE DAY" that you know the characters better and know what people LIKE. no one cares about old comics stan lee and kirby sucked FACE IT. ya theyre cool for starting the idea but back then the stories were so lame so dumb and just plain stupid with bad art and SO CORNy. millar and loeb and bendis and everyone made them sO MCUH SICKER its true and if you cant accept it go buy a time machine or be old or something.

its a new age of comics and its the best. even better now ebcause the RETURN OF CAPTAIN AMERICA. no one cares about lame bucky he DIED FOR A REASON because he was CRAP. stupid little boyd hanging around superheores for them to get molested. thats for batman and robin and its why DC SUCKS

rulk > all

[Comet Man]

if you cant accept it go buy a time machine or be old or something.



Say, you know where I can buy a good time machine?

[rulkr00lz]

stupid I was being sarcastic THERE ARE NO TIME MACHINES IN REAL LIFE DUH

i bet you read too many comics and now think that stuff is real lol

[passer-by]

im not 8 im 13 goshWasn't referring to your physical age, kiddo.
Keep up the entertaining posts though. You're making my day at work so much brighter. Thanks sincerely.


No time machines in real life?! :eek: :frown: I'm SO disappointed.

[Comet Man]

stupid I was being sarcastic THERE ARE NO TIME MACHINES IN REAL LIFE DUH

i bet you read too many comics and now think that stuff is real lol

Yeah, that's gotta be what it is. My bad.

[LiefeldFanatiX]

I have to agree with him on '60s comics being corny with bad art. And lets face it, being a Liefeld fan I know about good art :tongue:

[passer-by]

Sure, Liefeld is so much better than Kirby, Adams, Colan, Buscema and Romita. :wink:

[rulkr00lz]

yeah dude 60's was LAME even 70's and 80's comcis were lame too. too much talking and the pictures arent as big or cool I DONT CARE ABOUT TALKING. only action thats why rulk rules :cool: :biggrin: :cool: :biggrin:

[passer-by]

yeah dude 60's was LAME even 70's and 80's comcis were lame too. too much talking and the pictures arent as big or cool I DONT CARE ABOUT TALKING. only action thats why rulk rules :cool: :biggrin: :cool: :biggrin:Too much talking indeed. Not like Bendis' stories.

[rulkr00lz]

its ok if its COOL talk like bendis who ameks all the characters sound cool and makes lame ones not talk much anyways. like mockingbird WTF WHO CARES ABOUT HER lame old school character from OLD AVENGERS. this is NEW avengers old avengers can only come back if they are made different (LIKE RONIN WHO OWNS) or if they dont talk much like mockingbird or ms marvel. ms amrvel is so dumb why is she even back but I like her ass lol.

[agrich]

Actually Loeb probably did come up with the idea for red Hulk about 5 years ago, it just took him the next three years to write the first issue.

[Zenith23]

ok I'm officially calling Poe's Law on this...

[Gadget3440]

ok I'm officially calling Poe's Law on this...

What's Poe's law good sir?

[Blue Blazes]

What's Poe's law good sir?

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law

[rulkr00lz]

whatever you n00bs think this is a joke but its the truth hulk is the msot exciting. i try reading other comicx that sound cool like thor but its so lame and boring and nothing happens. everyone says thor is good but it sucks thats why rulk beat him !

[Kylun123]

Nope, it's a parody and the kid's running out of steam.

But it was fun while it lasted.

I just don't think it's likely that a 13 yr old kid would've already had enough background in the 60s,70s,80s era to be versed with his likes and dislikes yet still find Rulk & Bendis to be the greatest examples of whats good in Marvel right now.

Not that those books don't have their fans. But nobody would be this ignorant.

[agrich]

I just don't think it's likely that a 13 yr old kid would've already had enough background in the 60s,70s,80s era to be versed with his likes and dislikes

Not having the background makes it much easier to criticize it

[rulkr00lz]

thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard. dont know enough about comics because im 13?! wow thats the only argument that older people can even think of. JUST BECAUSE IM YOUNG DOESNT MEAN I DONT KNOW. god like I said my dad bought me essential avengers because he used to like comics too and tells me about it and wanted me to read the classics. it was so dumb i couldnt even read 10 pages but i told my dad i liked it beause i didnt want to hurt his feelings he bought it for me for christmas.

[passer-by]

JUST BECAUSE IM YOUNG DOESNT MEAN I DONT KNOW. god like I said my dad bought me essential avengers because he used to like comics too and tells me about it and wanted me to read the classics. it was so dumb i couldnt even read 10 pages but i told my dad i liked it beause i didnt want to hurt his feelings he bought it for me for christmas.

And have you read more than 10 pages from said period - 60s, 70s, 80s?

[rulkr00lz]

hell no!!!!!!!!!!!!that stuff is SO DUMB i cant do it id rather watch dora the explorer or something lol:eek:

[Dark Soul # 7]

hell no!!!!!!!!!!!!that stuff is SO DUMB i cant do it id rather watch dora the explorer or something lol:eek:So your frame of reference for three decades of comics is ten pages?

Stuff like that is why we won't take you seriously.

[ijffdrie]

Damn it, yet another one who justifies stereotyping my age group(being teenager)

if you like red hulk, try reading Ultimates v3 and Ultimatum, they are by the same writer

by the time you are trough with those, ill gladly start bashing you, but at this point i cant since it would be unintelligable due to my snickering

[Gitaroo_Dude]

Well, this thread is good for one thing.

Anyone who fell for the obvious troll makes the "Very Gullible Poster" list.

I would now like to sell you cats some real estate in Atlantis...

[Global Honored]

I think I have a new favorite poster here at CBR. He is just so passionate, which more than makes up for any lack of knowledge don't you think?

[FlintEastwood]

OP, please continue. I am quite amused. :tongue:

[Comet Man]

Well, this thread is good for one thing.

Anyone who fell for the obvious troll makes the "Very Gullible Poster" list.

I would now like to sell you cats some real estate in Atlantis...

Doesn't look like anybody has fell for him, more like having fun with him and playing along. Sometimes we get bored.

[passer-by]

I already regret we don't have a Poster of the Month award in the Marvel Universe forum - like the one in the X-Books forum.

I know who I'd vote for. I'm enjoying every post of this outstanding representative of The New Comic Fans Generation. Including the ones in the other threads - I actually look them up in his profile. No way I miss even a single one.

[rulkr00lz]

THANK YOU. finally someone with some SENSE! hopefully we can convince moer people that right here right NOW is the true golden age :evilsmile: :evilsmile: :evilsmile:

[rulkr00lz]

THANK YOU

finally someone with SOME SENSE! now hopefully we can convince more that right here and NOW si the TRUE golden age :cool: :cool:

[Expletive Deleted]

Talk about comics, not each other. Trolling or no, please refrain from overt insults.

Thanks.

[rulkr00lz]

YEAH stop hatin on me everyone because u know im right

FROM NOW ON WE ONLY TALK ABOUT COMICS FROM THE TRUE GOLDEN AGE which means now

good comics that PROVE this is the golden age:

a) secret ivnasion sooooo good!!!
b) HULK DUH
c) NEW AVENGERS
d) DARK AVENGERS but they need rulk as their "hulk"!!
e) house of m was kind of cool but i dint read all of it
f) wolverine NUFF SAID

[Comet Man]

I'm really enjoying Marvel right now, but my true golden age is the seventies. The Marvel Age of comics!

I also must admit that I'm loving Loeb's Hulk as well, only because it's so fun and I can't wait for Red Hulk to get his butt kicked into another universe by the real Hulk.

[Hrist]

Cool story, bro.

For those of you who are interested, Douglas Wolk makes a better argument for why this is the Golden Age of comics in his book about understanding comics.

[Dark Soul # 7]

a) secret ivnasion sooooo good!!!I thought that it was a bunch of overhyped fights that mostly had the skrulls act like morons instead of using their vaunted shapeshifting powers in intelligent ways.
b) HULK DUHA big pile of stupid is what it is. Mostly for children, for them I'd recommend the Marvel Adventures line instead. It's much better.
c) NEW AVENGERSI've rarely read a more boring comic than New Avengers.
d) DARK AVENGERS but they need rulk as their "hulk"!!Entertaining idea but similar themes have been done better by Warren Ellis and Kurt Busiek in their respective Thunderbolts run.
e) house of m was kind of cool but i dint read all of itIt was just dull.
f) wolverine NUFF SAIDCan't comment, never read.

[celticguy]

Golden age is comics is strictly a reference to the time a comic is published not quality of comics published.

[steveg887]

These posts are at an All-Star Batman level of satirical brilliance.

Is that you, Frank Miller?

[rulkr00lz]

GOD like I SAID I AM NOT A JOKE

and dont even say i am like batman and robin that shit is so retarded i dont molest BOYS LIKE BATMAN. thats creepy

stop spammin and only talk about the true golden age comics of the 2000s nto any of that lame old stuff!!!!!!!!

[The Confessor]

This thread is comedy gold!


ok I'm officially calling Poe's Law on this...

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law


Oh riiiiight...when Zenith23 said "Poe's Law", I thought he was talking about the rules for optimum length in prose writing and poetry. That particular "Poe's Law" was named after Edger Allen Poe.

From Wikipedia: Poe's Law - That there is a maximum desirable length for poems: "the unit of poetry must be fixed by the reader's capacity of attention, and ... the limits of a poem must accord with the limits of a single movement of intellectual apprehension and emotional exaltation". Named after Edgar Allan Poe.



No wonder I was totally confused for a minute there. :biggrin:

[Brannon]

My personal "Golden Age" would be 1977-1986, but I'm enjoying Cap, Nova, Guardians of the Galaxy, Herc, Thor, Iron Man, the A&L cosmic stuff, etc, right now. I officially gave up on new comics around 2000 but Planet Hulk and Annhilation finally pulled me back in.

I disagree with the kids opinion on Bendis. The guy is overrated and writes horrendously forced and downright boring dialogue. Secret Invasion was one of the worst written comics I've read in a long time and I had no interest in finishing the series. I much prefer Brubaker, Fraction, JMS, Slott, A&L, Pak, etc, when it comes to current writers.

Without question the art is technically better than its ever been and the writing is more "realistic" and less melodramatic. However, I can't say that the plotting and concepts are as good all the time. In some ways, past era's still trump the modern era in those areas.

[pariah-1972]

I like this kid he cracks me up:smile:

[Avenger08]

Okay, i had a huge long list of an argument for you that was very normal.

THEN i read more of your posts.

And i deleated everything i wrote and decided to write this:



YOU ARE A DISCRACE TO COMIC BOOK FANS..

I am fourteen and with every one of your posts you make me cringe because of the stupidity, ignorance, and naivity of your words.

You act as tho you understand the golden age, silver age, bronze age, whatever other age and you dont.

Here is one of the few posts ever that actually made me GASP out loud. YOU KNOW HOW REDICULOUS THAT IS???

stan lee and kirby sucked

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK INVENTED YOUR PRECIOUS HULK!!?!?!??!?!?!

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were some of the greatest and most influential people for the comic industry and you wouldnt HAVE the Hulk, Spider-Man, THE AVENGERS in general without them!!!!!!

Stan Lee created ALL of the characters you say to like, so do NOT insult the father of comics

Also, i am a younger comic reader compared to most of these posters and i understand when they say that i do not understand the older age. Yes, i do have knowledge on comic history and whatnot, but i am NOT deeply versed with every aspect of comics so i do not pretend to be. At least i show some goddamn respect for comics of the past. You should try.

You use vulgar, immature, and unneccessary language, insult anyone who disagrees with you, have narrowminded opinions on characters and believe YOU are the only one that is correct on these matters, represent all of the stereotypes of young comic readers and insult the very foundations of comic books.


And btw, RL cannot be a RH ripoff, they came out first. Whether or not they were designed first, doesnt matter in the slightest, DC had no knowledge that a year later, a character like THEIRS would be released. And Rulk was a bs attempt at boosting sales and RL are part of a whole that has been building on for YEARS.

Red is a color that often represents rage. That is the similarity

[pariah-1972]

Okay, i had a huge long list of an argument for you that was very normal.

THEN i read more of your posts.

And i deleated everything i wrote and decided to write this:



YOU ARE A DISCRACE TO COMIC BOOK FANS..

I am fourteen and with every one of your posts you make me cringe because of the stupidity, ignorance, and naivity of your words.

You act as tho you understand the golden age, silver age, bronze age, whatever other age and you dont.

Here is one of the few posts ever that actually made me GASP out loud. YOU KNOW HOW REDICULOUS THAT IS???



WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK INVENTED YOUR PRECIOUS HULK!!?!?!??!?!?!

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were some of the greatest and most influential people for the comic industry and you wouldnt HAVE the Hulk, Spider-Man, THE AVENGERS in general without them!!!!!!

Stan Lee created ALL of the characters you say to like, so do NOT insult the father of comics

Also, i am a younger comic reader compared to most of these posters and i understand when they say that i do not understand the older age. Yes, i do have knowledge on comic history and whatnot, but i am NOT deeply versed with every aspect of comics so i do not pretend to be. At least i show some goddamn respect for comics of the past. You should try.

You use vulgar, immature, and unneccessary language, insult anyone who disagrees with you, have narrowminded opinions on characters and believe YOU are the only one that is correct on these matters, represent all of the stereotypes of young comic readers and insult the very foundations of comic books.


And btw, RL cannot be a RH ripoff, they came out first. Whether or not they were designed first, doesnt matter in the slightest, DC had no knowledge that a year later, a character like THEIRS would be released. And Rulk was a bs attempt at boosting sales and RL are part of a whole that has been building on for YEARS.

Red is a color that often represents rage. That is the similarityI don't think you should be taking his posts seriously dude.

[Alan2099]

If you want to get picky, Kenneth Johnson came up with the idea first. he wanted the Hulk to be red when they first made the Bill Bixby TV series, but Stan lee nixed the idea.

Frankly, I figured that Loeb was paying a bit of tribute to that idea when he made the character.

[Comet Man]

I don't think you should be taking his posts seriously dude.

That's okay. Avenger08 gave him a good answer just in case he is serious. And he keeps insisting he is, so we should give him the benefit of the doubt.

[pariah-1972]

That's okay. Avenger08 gave him a good answer just in case he is serious. And he keeps insisting he is, so we should give him the benefit of the doubt.Personally i don't think it matters i mean he has a right to his opinion no matter how off the mark he is.
And i mean if he is a kid he probably has a hard time getting into older stories that have dated to a lot of younger people.


I have a hard time getting into a lot of Golden and Silver Age stories cause i was born in 1972 and i don't recall reading much of that era when i was a kid.

But i know enough to respect the people who came before even if i sometimes can't actually get into the books themselves.

[Alan2099]

Yeah, for the casual fan just getting into things it's not nearly as easy to get the old stuff.

I know when I got into comics, there was a big store with tons of cheap back issues and Marvel was putting out Spider-man Classics and X-men classics as monthlies, so I saw the old stuff at the same time as the new stuff. I think that really shaped my opinion on how things worked in comics much better.

[passer-by]

Yeah, for the casual fan just getting into things it's not nearly as easy to get the old stuff.

I know when I got into comics, there was a big store with tons of cheap back issues and Marvel was putting out Spider-man Classics and X-men classics as monthlies, so I saw the old stuff at the same time as the new stuff. I think that really shaped my opinion on how things worked in comics much better.Well, I started reading Marvel in the mid-80s and only got acquainted with the earlier stuff later on, but I still enjoy the 60s - 80s.

I do agree with this though - except the part about the art:
Without question the art (now) is technically better than its ever been and the writing is more "realistic" and less melodramatic. However, I can't say that the plotting and concepts are as good all the time. In some ways, past era's still trump the modern era in those areas.Saying that the art now is technically better than what was done by Kirby, Adams, Colan, Buscema, both Romitas (I prefer JRJr till the late 80s, btw, not so much afterwards), Byrne, Cockrum, Davis, Windsor-Smith, Paul Smith, Silvestri and quite a few others does seem a bit of an exaggeration to me. There are some excellent artists now too, but I definitely wouldn't say they're head and shoulders above the aforementioned.

[steveg887]

I do agree with this though - except the part about the art:
Saying that the art now is technically better than what was done by Kirby, Adams, Colan, Buscema, both Romitas (I prefer JRJr till the late 80s, btw, not so much afterwards), Byrne, Cockrum, Smith, Silvestri and quite a few others does seem a bit of an exaggeration to me. There are some excellent artists now too, but I definitely wouldn't say they're head and shoulders above the aforementioned.

I wouldn't say that the art is better now, but I do like the amount of variety that we have today. I felt like the styles back then were much less distinctive, while today we have artists such as Bryan Hitch's, Chris Bachalo's, Humberto Ramos', Marcos Martin, etc.

Maybe I'm talking out of my ass, but a lot of the art in the 60s and 70s, while good, didn't really stand out all that much to me.

[Hrist]

There's definitely less of an emphasis on house style.

I'd also say the printing methods indisputably preserve the artwork better. But yeah, I dunno if anyone working to day is as good as Jack Kirby. And I say this as someone who was born in 1985.

[Nefarius]

Yeah, for the casual fan just getting into things it's not nearly as easy to get the old stuff.

I know when I got into comics, there was a big store with tons of cheap back issues and Marvel was putting out Spider-man Classics and X-men classics as monthlies, so I saw the old stuff at the same time as the new stuff. I think that really shaped my opinion on how things worked in comics much better.

I had a similar situation.I started reading comics from 1988 and i remember reading Michelinie's and at the same time reading many of Lee-Ditko's era issues(my first classic issue was the second encounter with Scorpion).While i considered Ditko's art or Kirby's for FF to be ugly,i found their stories way better than many of (then)modern stories.But as i grew up i found the old school art to be as great as the storytelling.

[Zenith23]

a) secret ivnasion sooooo good!!!
A dumb story written by a knuckle head and populated by Yu's bizarre kafkaesque stick insects. The whole thing reminds of the Fast Show sketch were two gladiators spend hours aimlessly belting the snot out of each other to no discernable outcome
b) HULK DUH
The sulky occupant of an ape house, knuckle walking into walls and grumpily swinging on tires eating bananas. How marvels got 40+ years of stories of this guy I’ll never know.
c) NEW AVENGERS
zzzzzzzz… wuh!... zzzzzz!

d) DARK AVENGERS but they need rulk as their "hulk"!!
cos the world was just crying out for another Avengers title. As for Rulk see above.
e) house of m was kind of cool but i dint read all of it
read and kinda liked it. What I didn’t realise it was start of a delusional plan to drown the world in a flood of endless events and crossovers.
f) wolverine NUFF SAID
A hairy short arse in a need of a manicure.

[rulkr00lz]

i cant belief that you would actually read that old CRAP and then say its GOOD.theres a reason thsoe books are in the dolalr bins cuz they SUCK

to avenger08 you are WRONG i am not immature or "vulgar" :confused: wtf what does that even mean use REAL WORDS PLEASE!! i tell the truth and the truth is that if u dont luike comics right now then you don't know the world or anything that happens!!! i mean look at secret invasion it was so good wasp DIED. it was heartbreaking even though wasp was kind of lame lol. and DUH I KNOW STAN LEE AND JACK KIRBY INVENTED THE CHARACTERS i said they were cool for the ideas but everything else they SUCKKKKKKkkkKk

[Global Honored]

he does make a pretty solid argument

[Dark Soul # 7]

A dumb story written by a knuckle head and populated by Yu's bizarre kafkaesque stick insects. The whole thing reminds of the Fast Show sketch were two gladiators spend hours aimlessly belting the snot out of each other to no discernable outcome

The sulky occupant of an ape house, knuckle walking into walls and grumpily swinging on tires eating bananas. How marvels got 40+ years of stories of this guy I’ll never know.

zzzzzzzz… wuh!... zzzzzz!


cos the world was just crying out for another Avengers title. As for Rulk see above.

read and kinda liked it. What I didn’t realise it was start of a delusional plan to drown the world in a flood of endless events and crossovers.

A hairy short arse in a need of a manicure.High five.

Although, there are good titles from this day and age as well.

Avengers: The Initiative is always interesting.
Guardians of the Galaxy kicks all kinds of ass.
Thunderbolts has been great from the time Ellis and Deodato revamped the team.
JMS' Thor is an interesting take on the character.
The Marvel Adventures line is always good for a nice read.

I don't think that I have a personal golden age. Most of the decades brought something great to comics in general, yes even the 90s. Today it's just unfortunate that the stuff they're putting up front isn't the really good stuff.

[Pro]

rulkr00lz

You lost credibility even before you started posting. That's gotta be some sort of record.

[FlintEastwood]

Well, I started reading Marvel in the mid-80s and only got acquainted with the earlier stuff later on, but I still enjoy the 60s - 80s.

I do agree with this though - except the part about the art:
Saying that the art now is technically better than what was done by Kirby, Adams, Colan, Buscema, both Romitas (I prefer JRJr till the late 80s, btw, not so much afterwards), Byrne, Cockrum, Davis, Windsor-Smith, Paul Smith, Silvestri and quite a few others does seem a bit of an exaggeration to me. There are some excellent artists now too, but I definitely wouldn't say they're head and shoulders above the aforementioned.

I'd say the main difference between art of the past and now is that there are a wider variety of coloring, inking, and printing techniques that give a comic book artist the ability to do more inside the panels. A lot of what could be done was limited by what could be printed on the type of paper that was typically used for comic books.

Now we also have digital coloring and outlining that gives the most amateur artist the ability to add a lot of depth and a wide variety of color in a trivial amount of time compared to how long it would take to regularly produce work like that - *especially* considering the deadlines a comic book artist has.

For an example, look at the remastered Stan Lee/Jack Kirby Thor issues that are being released. They look fantastic, and they have simply and quickly recolored a lot of the art (considering he did the inking himself for that I believe).



I really appreciate people like Avenger08, because we were all that age once and personally I was not as respectful about the world of comic books and the opinions of others as he is. Major props to you, sir. (and sidenote, you carry yourself very well because I would not have guessed you were 14 based on your posts).


To the OP...you may be the target audience for Loeb's Hulk title, but it would do you good to learn some respect for what came before or else you will never completely understand what lies ahead of you.

It might be hard to the Essential titles if you are used to brighter colors and less content packed between the pages, but at the very least try to appreciate how far the comic book industry has come by studying its roots. We live in a world now where its acceptable and common to be a comic book fan, there are multimillion dollar motion pictures being produced on a yearly basis about our favorite characters, conventions, and the internet to converse with our fellow comic fans. All there was back then was a letters page and choppy animation on Saturday mornings.

(and you had to walk two miles, uphill in both directions to buy a single comic book from the 7-11)

[Dark Soul # 7]

he does make a pretty solid argumentDon't use sarcasm. He won't understand it and think that you're serious.

[agrich]

I'd say the biggest problem is that his experience with comics from "the old days" is apparently limited to reading about 10 pages of black and white reprints of Avengers comics. I'm sure I'd have a low opinion of "the classics" too if that was the extent of my, how you say, knowledge.

[Zenith23]

i cant belief that you would actually read that old CRAP and then say its GOOD.theres a reason thsoe books are in the dolalr bins cuz they SUCK

to avenger08 you are WRONG i am not immature or "vulgar" :confused: wtf what does that even mean use REAL WORDS PLEASE!! i tell the truth and the truth is that if u dont luike comics right now then you don't know the world or anything that happens!!! i mean look at secret invasion it was so good wasp DIED. it was heartbreaking even though wasp was kind of lame lol. and DUH I KNOW STAN LEE AND JACK KIRBY INVENTED THE CHARACTERS i said they were cool for the ideas but everything else they SUCKKKKKKkkkKk

these are beginning to read like an automated response...