Any Fans Of The Transformers 80s Cartoon And Comics?

[riddler72]

I'm a fan of the G1 and G2 series,and would like to talk to fans of the old series and the comics that came out in the 80's-90's,as well as the new G1-G2 comics that have been released!!!


riddler72

[ShatterStar]

im a massive G1 fan .

did nt read the comics though but from what ive heard the marvel UK comics are quite good .

ive watched all series of g1 from series 1 to transformers victory and will always love the 1986 transformers film . not a fan of the new recent ones

[darkwolf]

Loved the 80's cartoons and comics, but after the eighties i lost interest.

Big Dinobots fan

[Crowforge]

Are you really asking this on a comic board?

[ForeverTaskmaster]

G1 was the best. I am glad I bought the Rhino box sets when they were released. Also, I thought the Transformers comic was great at the beginning, lousy in the middle and awesome at the end. Andrew Wildman is the ultimate Transformers artist if you ask me.

There is no way in hell I am ever gonna watch The Transformers live action movies. They shit on everything Transformers stands for. There was not a character I didn't like in G1. They all had a soul.

I wish I knew how to make those voices of certain characters with help from the computer. Chris Latta (R.I.P.) gave Starscream a great voice. Other great voices were Astrotrain, Omega Supreme, Motormaster, the Insecticons.

[Matt-M-McElroy]

There is no way in hell I am ever gonna watch The Transformers live action movies.

I saw the first one...I'm not making that same mistake with the second one.

-Matt

[Bergman]

The Marvel comic is what got me into comics, and that's still my favorite version of Transformers.

[Zero Hunter]

Andrew Wildman is the ultimate Transformers artist if you ask me.


I agree with that 100%. The Furman/Wildman run was by far the best of the entire series.

[The Black Guardian]

G1 fan. Lost interest around the time of Headmasters.

[LordEd1976]

Huge G1 fan. Thought "Rebirth" was not the way to go out.

[ChrisIII]

The cartoon and the Marvel comic are OK for mindless robot action and fun voice acting, but not exactly for adults writing wise. I do like the more modern takes on the concepts that the more recent comics have taken (Dynamite & IDW's comics mainly). I think Transformers is a good concept, and the toys are very well-designed, but it's often not always done well in execution.

[joemagnum611]

I grew up on the G1 cartoon but never got in to the comics. I have to say that the more recent stuff done by IDW has been pretty good though. I never really liked any of the later cartoons except Beast Wars. At least they tried to relate it back to the original. The live action movies are so bad that I saw the first one but refuse to see the 2nd one

[riddler72]

Loved the US/UK comics,rarely saw the Japanese version continued after season 3,but since they're on Youtube,I got plenty of time to view them!!!


riddler72

[Sean Walsh]

did nt read the comics though but from what ive heard the marvel UK comics are quite good .

They were. And when Simon Furman started writing the US Marvel series, its quality leapt into the stratosphere.

[dumbstruck]

I was a Transformers nut in the 80's. Loved the cartoon, until the crapfest post movie third season. The Marvel comics are what got me into comics. I was never really able to read the Marvel UK stuff, but now that IDW has been reprinting it, I love reading new/old stories set in the original comic verse. I've also been all over the G1 comics revival since the Dreamwave comics came and went, and followed it into IDW, which has improved dramatically since it started.

[riddler72]

I really wished they had a fourth season after the "Rebirth" in the US!!I read somewhere that had it happened,Unicron would have returned and joined forces with the Quintessons!!!

riddler72

[shamone]

big into the toys when a kid

massive comics fan from the 80's

obviously that got me into the cartoon, and the movie

been from other side of pond, got all the Uk based stories which shat on the US efforts

[shades of eternity]

I started watching g1 transformers with a friend (he's got the entire set) and having a trip down memory lane.

We just got through the first season and about part way through the 2nd and came to the following conclusions.

This blows that past movie and most likely the present sequal out of the water.

I fully expected to have my rose colored glasses shattered from the bad acting and the cheezy plots, but I find myself really enjoying it in spite of/or perhaps because of it.

I guess for me it is the following reasons:

1. The transformers have personality. Even though there are a ton of characters and they can often be silly and/or cheezy, even when they are idiots, they are fun to watch.

Megatron has a "happy smile" that comes out a lot when he's ranting.

Starscream is just a blast to watch as is basically the "special child" of the sweepers.

Skywarp is the jerky sibling that makes fun of starscreams whining.

Soundwave says 5 words per show and makes it awesome. He obviously cares a great deal for his cassettes as he literally pets ravage one episode.

Rumble gets some of the best lines and he is an awesome punk.

Same with the autobots.

Optimus Prime is the reincarnation of john wayne even if he goes down and up more then a pro wrestler.

Ironhide is Prime's beer buddy and you get the feeling he really is the old school soldier of the group.

Wheeljack is a mad scientist supreme and he's a hoot as he tries to convince prime and the other autobots to lethim try his inventions.

Cliffjumper is the little bot that just won't quit, despite being the most pwned transformer on both sides.

Bumblebee is the little bot who gets in the thick of things.

The bayformers only personality was a bit of prime, megatron and ironhide and everybody else kinda felt the same.

2. Another reason is the mix of bad and awesome lines. They can say a line that is awesome followed by a real cringer and it makes it...well fun.

3. Hell even the base plot (decepticons came down for raiding for supplies and autobots holding the line against them) makes an easy plot for a two hour movie and can be even used for an environmental message.

I will not be seeing transformers 2 until I hear it's at least as enjoyable...and from what I've heard, I ain't touching it with a stick as big as unicron.

[mgs]

Yes. Cartoons and comic books.

[LordEd1976]

1. The transformers have personality. Even though there are a ton of characters and they can often be silly and/or cheezy, even when they are idiots, they are fun to watch.
THAT has been and always will be my biggest complaint when it comes to the characterizations of Bay's TFs. Only Prime had any personality.



I will not be seeing transformers 2 until I hear it's at least as enjoyable...and from what I've heard, I ain't touching it with a stick as big as unicron.

I've been hearing bad things about it from buddies that have seen. There are only two reasons I'm seeing it. 1) I'm the kinda that if I'm going to talk about a film then I have to have seen it. 2) I have a free movie ticket so its not like I'm creating a $10 hole in my wallet.

[Legato]

Yep. Once a fan, always a fan. The animated movie is far more superior than both of the Transformer movies combined.

[Lusus420]

Yep. Once a fan, always a fan. The animated movie is far more superior than both of the Transformer movies combined.

Yep, I agree Legato. I've been a fan since G1, but I did definitely lose touch at some point....Beast Wars was OK (the computer-generated cartoon was pretty cool). The same goes for Energon, I enjoyed the cartoon.

What do the old school fans think of the new "Animated" series? The storyline is bearable, but WTF is up with the art/stylization? Who approved THAT?!!

So, back to the point...The 1986 movie kicks so much more ass than the current ones (although I really enjoy the new ones). I actually have the soundtrack in my car right now. It sounds really good on Rockford subs!

Oh man, did I just admit to listening to the '86 soundtrack even now?....Yeah, I'm a nerd!....

[Bergman]

AVGN reviews Transformers video games. (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/angry-video-screwattack/51566?type=flv)

[ShatterStar]

has anyone heard of Pags01 on youtube he has made some good transformers parodys from the transformers 1986 movie.

heres the Compilation of all 10 clips together

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4wFUIRCFV4


enjoy

[johnnyhotsauce]

Grew up on and loved G1. Saw the movie in theaters in 86. After that, the animation seemed to get more crappy like how G.I.Joe's animation got crappy after G.I.Joe: the Movie, and kinda lost interest.

Now I want to go find my Transformer and G.I.Joe toys I had, and I had a few. Gotta rummage through my parent's garage.

[Nightstar1441]

G1 was a fantastic cartoon - one of the better classic shows and still very enjoyable today - the personalities and story were simple and easy to follow - ah memories

[Astonishing X-Fan]

The original cartoon was pretty bad, IMO.

Now Beast Wars, THAT is a great Transformers show.

[riddler72]

has anyone heard of Pags01 on youtube he has made some good transformers parodys from the transformers 1986 movie.

heres the Compilation of all 10 clips together

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4wFUIRCFV4


enjoy

LOL

riddler72

[Jared]

Even as a kid, I thought it was amazing that after a million years of ruling Cyberton himself with no word from Megatron, Shockwave was still completely loyal. Maybe thats's why he sounded so wimpy. I got a kick out of seeing that in the Marvel comics, this wasn't the case.


Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp are the same kind of plane. Are they the only seekers, or do Dirge and Ramjet count too? And did they actually call them "the seekers" on the show, or was that just a toy/comic designation?


Ironhide is Prime's beer buddy and you get the feeling he really is the old school soldier of the group.

I recall there was a whole episode about Ironhide overcoming his doubts and proving himself after he'd been feeling like he was too old to be useful.

[The Black Guardian]

Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp are the same kind of plane. Are they the only seekers, or do Dirge and Ramjet count too? And did they actually call them "the seekers" on the show, or was that just a toy/comic designation?
It appears to be a fan designation that later became canon. It was never mentioned on the show, didn't appear in a comic until 2002, and not on a toy until 2006. There is, however, an old JCPenney catalog that calls them Seekers.

[shades of eternity]

well managed to finish watching the entire transformers g1 series.


Unfortunately, Season 3 has the same feel as the first two seasons. They start out strong, but they really get wierder and wierder as the writers look for new storylines and story hooks.

The quintisons kick ass as a villian and five faces of darkness I found better then the actual movie. Why they never made toys of them beyond the sharkticons just astounds me. I would have loved some of those models...they were just so alien.

Starscreams ghost even becomes more of a disconnect as octane is never seen again, despite being a pretty kewl design and taking what should have been blitzwings role.

and what's funny is ghost in the machine basically ended starscreams status even though he did get his body back.

I think webworld is one of the most awesome episodes of the entire run. It's amazing how they actually use real psychology terms to try to "treat" galvatron. Poor Cyclonus is both showing his compenency and his relative naivity at the same time.

Sky lynks really annoys me. He has such an meglomaniac personality that it's just irritating.

I really feel rodimus prime got gyped. The writers really needed to show that he was growing into the role...and just as we think he made it...optimus returns and he gets put back into the rank and file. Hell he probably would have been completely ignored if he wasn't made into a targetmaster.

What I do want to know is why it seems that transformers...for a show about giant alien robots...has a surprising amount of the undead. First we got to traumatize little kids with Dark Awakening...to the point where they had to edit it to let people know that prime is coming back. Then starscream is a ghost for a couple of episodes. finally the return of optimus prime must have been the template for 28 days later.

Another ongoing theme in the third season is space elves. They were musical space elves in carnage in c minor (which oddly enough isn't the worst episode of the 3rd season, but it's darm close). Then we had "the face of nijika" where the elves were giant martial art dudes as well as what perceptor would look like as a female geisha :p.

only human was a fun fake cameo of cobra commander with a monacle. Is it just me, but the one's turned into human's atire looks like a certain pair of plumbers from a popular video game franchise?

Call of the primitives was both awesome and suckage at the same time. Getting a team of the primitives should scare the hell out of both side...yet grimlock's success in stopping the plague caused me to almost have a brain anneurism.

Honestly, I understand why they brought back optimus prime, but for 5 flipping episodes...it really feels like waste.

As for the final story ark: The rebirth...it felt kinda both good and bad. The nebulons kinda sucked as a race...but I guess it was either that or space elves again :p. I have this crazy feeling the latter was the final choice, but they redid them and covered their ears with hair in the process.

The designs were descent, but you can really tell they were being pressured to include many different toys instead of doing a descent story. It wasn't till they got off cybertron, they were allowed to story tell.

Scorpinox is scarry, but his head really seemed kinda cheezy.

Spike earned the right to be fortress maximus...and I got a lot more respect for the character after seeing him grow up over 4 seasons.


Arcee should have had a toy made of her. she was a descent design and dag nab it...transformers need more gals. It would have made more sense for carly to be her headmaster and daniel be the gun...but it might send the wrong impression to the kids. :p


The character I find kinda funny is how carly just falls out of the script to hang out with chip after the 2nd episode. Hell, every time we saw a human in an exoskeleton, we joked if only chip would have lived to see the day :p.

The way g1 ends you can tell they wanted to do another season...and were setting up a new potential escalation of violence...which never came.


All and all

Is it better then the live movies: absolutely...it's actually about transforming robots.

Do large sections of it suck...yup fraid so. My rose colored glasses are shattered.

Did many of the elements eventually make it into beast wars...yup. What they tried to do with rodimus prime they actually did with optimus primal. Namely have a hero come of age and grow into being a leader.

so a fun trip down memory lane and there will be stuff I'll be using for my own projects, but darm...it's certainly not as good as I remember it. Still some of the characters are simply awesome and even a couple of stories are pretty good.

[riddler72]

Even as a kid, I thought it was amazing that after a million years of ruling Cyberton himself with no word from Megatron, Shockwave was still completely loyal. Maybe thats's why he sounded so wimpy. I got a kick out of seeing that in the Marvel comics, this wasn't the case.


Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp are the same kind of plane. Are they the only seekers, or do Dirge and Ramjet count too? And did they actually call them "the seekers" on the show, or was that just a toy/comic designation?



I recall there was a whole episode about Ironhide overcoming his doubts and proving himself after he'd been feeling like he was too old to be useful.

Remember,a million years is like a couple of days to them,so it was like"Hi,glad to hear from you again!"


riddler72

[riddler72]

Here's a question for everyone:

If you could continue the show after the events of "The Rebirth",for one more season,what would you do?



riddler72

[Dr Cthulwho]

I'm a fan of the G1 and G2 series,and would like to talk to fans of the old series and the comics that came out in the 80's-90's,as well as the new G1-G2 comics that have been released!!!


riddler72

I loved the G1 comics (never really gotten into any of the Transformer comics since though, barring G2).

Thanks to youth I got into Transformers comics when the G2 series hit the stores (which meant going back and collecting the G1 comics), and I'd seen the cartoons prior to that and liked them a lot (to young to have seen Transformers the Movie in the cinema, but loved it a lot as a kid as well).

Eventually got around to collecting the UK version of the comics as well.


Even as a kid, I thought it was amazing that after a million years of ruling Cyberton himself with no word from Megatron, Shockwave was still completely loyal. Maybe thats's why he sounded so wimpy. I got a kick out of seeing that in the Marvel comics, this wasn't the case.

Yeah I found that funny too (comics Shockwave was awesome).

I always thought of cartoon Shockwave as an especially unimaginative bureaucrat. Especially in the Movie when they still left him at home. Apparently the Decepticon who transforms into a giant flying gun wouldn't have any use in attacking the earthbound Autobots.

I imagine him going "I shall remain Megetron, and the accounting report will be completed before you return".


Yep, I agree Legato. I've been a fan since G1, but I did definitely lose touch at some point....Beast Wars was OK (the computer-generated cartoon was pretty cool). The same goes for Energon, I enjoyed the cartoon.

Same here. After the G1 cartoon I thought Beast Wars wasn't too bad (got better as it went on), couldn't stand Beast Machines and never really had time for any of the other versions until...


What do the old school fans think of the new "Animated" series? The storyline is bearable, but WTF is up with the art/stylization? Who approved THAT?!!

I actually really like TFA, including its style and the new interpretation of the characters. I think they got it spot on.

[riddler72]

I'm still waiting for a G1 cartoon to come out!I miss the old-school characters!


riddler72

[Alexrules]

I loved the comic. I read issue #6 I believe it was and it was great, but I didn't really get into until sometime later. It was better than the animated series.

[riddler72]

I loved the comic. I read issue #6 I believe it was and it was great, but I didn't really get into until sometime later. It was better than the animated series.

Yes,the characters were more develped than in the cartoon,but I still like the animated series!


riddler72

[americocaine]

The toon series is always the number one form of TF media to me at least. Even above the Marvel comics. Though the Furman/Wildman run at the tail end of the US series was classic. UK Marvel I was apesh#* for awhile since it was pretty rare and I never had a chance to read the originals. But now I realize half the stories literally don't make any sense. Especially the Time Wars and all of Galavtron's UK appearances. Its like trying to read the memoirs of Tourette's patient even if Furman wrote them.

Currently, I think IDW isn't doing a great job with the All Hail Megatron series. Jumps all over the place and Shane McCarthy wasn't the right writer. If they let Furman continue his original plans to flesh out the post-Infiltration series, there probably would have been some interesting stories. I liked what he did in Spotlight: Cyclonus and the Spotlight:Doubledealer. But it was pretty evident IDW editorial cut a lot of the meat of the story and we were left with the meaningless leftovers.

[Mormel]

All and all

Is it better then the live movies: absolutely...it's actually about transforming robots.

Do large sections of it suck...yup fraid so. My rose colored glasses are shattered.

Did many of the elements eventually make it into beast wars...yup. What they tried to do with rodimus prime they actually did with optimus primal. Namely have a hero come of age and grow into being a leader.

so a fun trip down memory lane and there will be stuff I'll be using for my own projects, but darm...it's certainly not as good as I remember it. Still some of the characters are simply awesome and even a couple of stories are pretty good.Hmmm, hmmm... When I first acquired DVDs of Generation One Transformers in 2003 or early 2004, which came out in a cheap volume of three-episode disks, after not having seen the TFs in 7 years, I was happy to have 'The Key To Vector Sigma', but it shocked me a little how cheesy episodes like 'Hoist Goes To Hollywood' and especially 'Decepticon Raider In King Arthur's Court' were. And I suddenly thought perhaps the show wasn't as 'good' as I remembered. But then I re-watched the better episodes (like Key To Vector Sigma and Master Builders), and much later I got my hands on the entire series on DVD and watched them chronologically, just as you just did. And perhaps it's still the nostalgia talking (it must be. mostly, for it IS my all-time favourite cartoon), but to me, this is a show that certainly has quality for a Saturday morning kids' toon.

As you said yourself in an earlier post, the Transformers have personality. And some of them seem to be fairly one-dimensional at first sight (Trailbreaker, Seaspray), but when you watch the show, you feel you get to know them, even if they only get a couple lines of speech, that's the beauty. From the beginning, they're juggling over 15 Autobots and over 10 Decepticons in their cast, and after only five episodes, you already feel as though you're intimately familiar with them, through the interactions between the characters, and the constant on their different personalities which remain consistent throughout the series. Even when they introduce new characters like Tracks or Powerglide, they're integrated into the cast of characters smoothly. In my opinion, the episodes that focus on a particular character or two, like 'Master Builders', 'Auto-Berserk', and 'Microbots' (which happen to be consecutive episodes) are among the best ones; even if they aren't DEEP character studies, they're nice spotlight eps for certain characters with a nice moral at the end.

I still watch two episodes of Transformers every week for as long as I won't get tired of it, and it's pure nostalgic entertainment every time. Voice acting is great in general, a lot of dialogue was excellent and not too corny at all (even the puns in battle scenes and the like), the plots quite often were simplistic I'll admit, and the physics and astrophysics were freely bent around by the creators, but it's still the same trip to me as it ever was.

I can rant about Transformers a lot to the point where perhaps my love for it clouds my objective judgment, but hey, that can't be helped. :tongue:

[riddler72]

"The Rebirth".....Did anyone like that episode(s)????


riddler72

[Mormel]

"The Rebirth".....Did anyone like that episode(s)????


riddler72I first saw 'The Rebirth' only LONG after I had read the US comics that starred the binary-bonded Transformers (Headmasters, Targetmasters and so forth), and it was very cool to finally see Brainstorm, Weirdwolf, Mindwipe and others animated (I never saw the Headmasters anime either). But I did think the story of Rebirth was lacking and wrapped up some things quickly and presented a lot of characters in too little time.

On the DVD extras, David Wise who wrote 'Rebirth' said that he had wanted to put more into the episodes, and give Optimus Prime a bigger role in it, too. Of all the writers for Transformers that were interviewed on the DVD, Wise seemed to be the most enthusiastic about the show, as though he really put his heart in it. (Earl Kress did too, I think, but in a different way). I think Wise originally wanted 'The Rebirth' to be a 5-parter, but they didn't have the budget? I may be wrong about this, though.

Something else I thought was rather cool about 'The Rebirth', was that Optimus Prime really wanted to place Spike on a strategic spot on Cybertron because an organic being could survive exposure to the Plasma Energy Chamber, and how this conflicted with Spike's need to protect Daniel. It somehow took me back to the first episode and Optimus Prime's selfless rescue of Spike when they first met and Spike had become accidentally involved in their war, and now Prime was actually (slightly) considering having Spike be a chess piece on the board of war.

And to answer your earlier question: if Transformers had continued for another season after 'The Rebirth', I would have liked to see the following: a bit of character exploration for the Headmasters and Targetmasters, some focus on the relationship between those Transformers and their Nebulon partners but not too much, and perhaps a season-wide story arc with a new Decepticon leader (but not Scorponok, because that would be too obvious) trying to plot against both the Autobots and Galvatron simultaneously. I added that last bit because the Autobots would have to face a threat that could surpass the Quintessons and their schemes from season 3. For the rest, I wouldn't know what specific things to do, maybe bring some battles to Earth and also keep focus on Hot Rod, Kup, and Blurr, considering they had become Targetmasters.

[riddler72]

Personally,if I could have continued the series after "The Rebirth",I would have brought back Starscream,overthrown Galvatron,brought back a few of the old characters(Shockwave,etc)and made them into Targetmasters or Headmasters for the series,brought back Megatron in a new,more powerful body,and would finally unite both Autobots and Decepticons against the combined threat of the Quintessons and the newly revived Unicron!!!!


riddler72

[Mormel]

Personally,if I could have continued the series after "The Rebirth",I would have brought back Starscream,overthrown Galvatron,brought back a few of the old characters(Shockwave,etc)and made them into Targetmasters or Headmasters for the series,brought back Megatron in a new,more powerful body,and would finally unite both Autobots and Decepticons against the combined threat of the Quintessons and the newly revived Unicron!!!!


riddler72
Ooh, I would watch an Autobot/Decepticon alliance fight against Unicron, just like in the comics... "On The Edge Of Extinction" (and its build-up) was epic.

Perhaps a continuation of the series would have even allowed for the inclusion of Pretenders and Actionmasters? Those subgroups brought back some of the older characters like Bumblebee, Jazz, and Wheeljack. Shockwave had an Actionmaster toy. Of course, I agree that Actionmasters lack a certain appeal for being Transformers who can't transform o_0...

[riddler72]

In the original Transformers movie script,Shockwave was killed off when Unicron attacked Cybertron,but never showed it in the film,thus he was written off for no reason!He should have at least re-surfaced in the third seaon,if only for one or two episodes and challenged Galvatron,after seeing that he wasn't the leader he remembered!!!!


riddler72

[steve2275]

In the original Transformers movie script,Shockwave was killed off when Unicron attacked Cybertron,but never showed it in the film,thus he was written off for no reason!He should have at least re-surfaced in the third seaon,if only for one or two episodes and challenged Galvatron,after seeing that he wasn't the leader he remembered!!!!


riddler72
woulda been intresting

[LordEd1976]

In the original Transformers movie script,Shockwave was killed off when Unicron attacked Cybertron,but never showed it in the film,thus he was written off for no reason!He should have at least re-surfaced in the third seaon,if only for one or two episodes and challenged Galvatron,after seeing that he wasn't the leader he remembered!!!!


riddler72

Somewhere in Five Faces of Darkness is a cameo by a mis-colored Shockwave. It either when the Decepticons ambush Rodimus Prime his team on Goo or during the attack on Cybertron.

[riddler72]

Somewhere in Five Faces of Darkness is a cameo by a mis-colored Shockwave. It either when the Decepticons ambush Rodimus Prime his team on Goo or during the attack on Cybertron.

I remember there was always "clones" running around!In fact in the early episodes you can spot at least two different Starscreams in battle!Always wondered why they did that,instead of just making him a different color!!!


riddler72

[riddler72]

I remember that in the early episodes,they always had clones of Starscream and Skywarp fighting the Autobots,instead of just painting on different colors to seperate them!!!

riddler72

[riddler72]

I remember that in the early episodes,they always had clones of Starscream and Skywarp fighting the Autobots,instead of just painting on different colors to seperate them!!!

riddler72

[riddler72]

Damn,sorry for repeating myself!Some interfence in the computer,but all is well now!!!!
So,did anyone else notice the "clones"running around in the series????


riddler72

[riddler72]

So,what would have happened if the writers brought back Shockwave to the third season?Would he get along with Galvatron?Cyclonus?Scourge?


riddler72

[shades of eternity]

dude, if they would have him become more like comic shockwave, complete with "I served megatron for billions of years...your are no megatron." that would have been awesome.

especially if he gets both blitzwing and octane as his croneys.

I always thought a mini series of the war to free cybertron from the quintessons would have been awesome, especially told from the decepticons point of view (we were created for war and sweated blood, sweat and tears to save all transformers...now the autobots want peace?"

[riddler72]

dude, if they would have him become more like comic shockwave, complete with "I served megatron for billions of years...your are no megatron." that would have been awesome.

especially if he gets both blitzwing and octane as his croneys.

I always thought a mini series of the war to free cybertron from the quintessons would have been awesome, especially told from the decepticons point of view (we were created for war and sweated blood, sweat and tears to save all transformers...now the autobots want peace?"

Agreed on both points!The Shockwave feud would have been great,and the war against the Quintessons would have been cool,too!!!!

riddler72

[riddler72]

Of course!Everyone that born in 80s must know something about this cartoon show.Now,as adult we can't miss the Transformers movie series.That would always be our dreams.:wink:

I'm afraid not everyone is a fan of the two movies!!!!!!!!!!

riddler72

[shades of eternity]

well went through the series and decided to try the dub of transformers headmaster.

it's really odd.

the animation is better and it looks like they got a better overall storyline.

the dubs really need to be redone by dr smoov and similar really good voice actors (assuming they cannot get the original voice actors).

probably the biggest disconnect was the renamed things. adult spike became sparkle (in which I can not stop making mr sparkle jokes), blaster is named...billy, blurr is named willy. hell even cybertron is called cyberton.

Another really odd quirk is that any transformer with a face plate sounds muffled.

I really like the use of the headmasters, but when mindwipe uses his hypnotism, he calls it a spell which is a real disconnect for me.

you can really tell they are treating this is an anime. daniel is called danny and is more annoying then his western counterpart. They often use those over the top anime scenes for humor.

However, if any character was improved by the dubbing it was wheelie. After being the most irritating character of the post 3rd season generation, he is consistantly shown as the voice of reason and compency.

I think it's bloody hillarious that after the big hooplah of bringing back optimus prime, within 3 episodes he's dead again. I'm glad rodimus prime got a chance to be a real leader and he's doing a pretty good job so far.

They can't be watch too quickly, compared to the western version. The voices are too annoying.

so far, the last episode I have seen is that has battlebeasts with the autobots and the decepticons each helping out a side.

ironically a good redubbing would have made it awesome. If anybody knows of one, please let me know.

I'll keep ya posted.

[riddler72]

Glad to hear someone enjoying the Japanese Transformers!!!I've only seen a few of them on Youtube!!!!!!!

riddler72

[dumbstruck]

Damn,sorry for repeating myself!Some interfence in the computer,but all is well now!!!!
So,did anyone else notice the "clones"running around in the series????


riddler72

Remember, when the series started, the toyline had many more Autobots than Decepticons. The first wave of Decepticon toys consisted largely of Megatron, Soundwave and the tapes, Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp. I don't think Shockwave was part of the first wave, and Reflector wasn't. The Autobots had Prime, all the minibots like Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, Huffer, Brawn , Gears, and Windcharger, plus all the mid-sized bots like Prowl, Bluestreak, Ironhide, Ratchet, Wheeljack, Sunstreaker, Sideswipe, Jazz, Hound and Trailbreaker.

So in order for the cartoon to make sense, they had to add "clones" to fill out the Decepticon ranks, as well as the addition of Reflector.

[Samy]

I'm a huge fan of the 80s cartoon, specifically the movie and seasons 3-4.

I thought seasons 1-2 were pretty bog standard kids' fare (not without its gems though), but the movie was a massive game changer -- I consider it to be among the top science fiction movies of all time, not just animated but all science fiction movies -- and it led into an amazingly fertile and versatile season 3-4. I thought Ultra Magnus added a huge deal into the leadership dynamic -- while before it was just Optimus, I thought having a "sergeant" type character really gave the leader somebody to reflect off of in a way that Optimus never had, especially since Rodimus was far less perfect than Optimus so there was a lot of interaction to mine between him and Ultra Magnus. Similarly, Cyclonus was a great second-in-command for Galvatron and really added into the leadership chemistry for the Decepticons. Often, you didn't even need Rodimus or Galvatron in the episodes since Ultra Magnus and Cyclonus were perfectly capable of leading missions. I also really enjoyed the asymmetrical relationship where they didn't go the obvious route and pair Rodimus vs Galvatron and Ultra Magnus vs Cyclonus, but rather had Galvatron carry a burning hate for Ultra Magnus instead. Felt much less formulaic that way.

Also, I think Galvatron was a much more compelling character to read about than Megatron. Megatron was a fairly bog standard evil mastermind, but Galvatron had a specific personality on top of that. He was just fricking NUTS, man, and it provided some spectacularly entertaining moments when he knocked around Decepticons as much as Autobots while trying to get to Ultra Magnus.

"Webworld" is one of my all-time favorite episodes.

[dumbstruck]

I'm a huge fan of the 80s cartoon, specifically the movie and seasons 3-4.

I thought seasons 1-2 were pretty bog standard kids' fare (not without its gems though), but the movie was a massive game changer -- I consider it to be among the top science fiction movies of all time, not just animated but all science fiction movies -- and it led into an amazingly fertile and versatile season 3-4. I thought Ultra Magnus added a huge deal into the leadership dynamic -- while before it was just Optimus, I thought having a "sergeant" type character really gave the leader somebody to reflect off of in a way that Optimus never had, especially since Rodimus was far less perfect than Optimus so there was a lot of interaction to mine between him and Ultra Magnus. Similarly, Cyclonus was a great second-in-command for Galvatron and really added into the leadership chemistry for the Decepticons. Often, you didn't even need Rodimus or Galvatron in the episodes since Ultra Magnus and Cyclonus were perfectly capable of leading missions. I also really enjoyed the asymmetrical relationship where they didn't go the obvious route and pair Rodimus vs Galvatron and Ultra Magnus vs Cyclonus, but rather had Galvatron carry a burning hate for Ultra Magnus instead. Felt much less formulaic that way.

Also, I think Galvatron was a much more compelling character to read about than Megatron. Megatron was a fairly bog standard evil mastermind, but Galvatron had a specific personality on top of that. He was just fricking NUTS, man, and it provided some spectacularly entertaining moments when he knocked around Decepticons as much as Autobots while trying to get to Ultra Magnus.

"Webworld" is one of my all-time favorite episodes.


You have got to be the only person who thinks the post-movie season 3 was better than the pre-movie seasons.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Liked the pre-movie cartoons and the early comics. After that, I seem to recall most of the stand-alone comic book issues being mediocre, though.

Also, the movie failed if just for the fact that it somehow forgot that Transformers was about and *solely* about Optimus and Megatron beating the crap out of each other.

[riddler72]

Remember, when the series started, the toyline had many more Autobots than Decepticons. The first wave of Decepticon toys consisted largely of Megatron, Soundwave and the tapes, Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp. I don't think Shockwave was part of the first wave, and Reflector wasn't. The Autobots had Prime, all the minibots like Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, Huffer, Brawn , Gears, and Windcharger, plus all the mid-sized bots like Prowl, Bluestreak, Ironhide, Ratchet, Wheeljack, Sunstreaker, Sideswipe, Jazz, Hound and Trailbreaker.

So in order for the cartoon to make sense, they had to add "clones" to fill out the Decepticon ranks, as well as the addition of Reflector.

They did that even in the 3rd Season!!!!!!

riddler72

[Jared]

The first thing Galvatron did was got to Cybertron and waste Starscream in front of everybody. I think Shockwave fell in line right there, especially since everyone knew Galv was Megatron.

[Crowforge]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbombya

[riddler72]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbombya

Thanks for that little tidbit!!!!!!!!!!!!

riddler72

[Crowforge]

I always get stuck on it, it's the most spectacularly bad episode they made.

[riddler72]

I always get stuck on it, it's the most spectacularly bad episode they made.

When you mean bad,do you mean in a good way or a awful way????


riddler72

[riddler72]

Here's a question that's been puzzling me lately.....

If Starscream came back as a ghost,how come we never saw ghost versions of Ironhide,Ratchet,etc,in the third season?????


riddler72

[riddler72]

And what happened to Reflector????


riddler72

[Gaastra]

Last time we see reflector in the us series is the movie. I think he makes a cameo in headmasters but thats it.

The headmasters, masterforce, and victory dubs are known as "star tv dub" and were not dubbed in america. All three dubs are awful but masterforce and victory is not as bad as headmasters.

Masterforce is one of the best transformers cartoons made but is nothing like the classic series. You've been warned.

I never did understand why marvel didn't make a transformers uk stories comic for america to reprint the uk comics. They did a gijoe one that had the action force comics but all we got was "man of iron".

[riddler72]

Last time we see reflector in the us series is the movie. I think he makes a cameo in headmasters but thats it.

The headmasters, masterforce, and victory dubs are known as "star tv dub" and were not dubbed in america. All three dubs are awful but masterforce and victory is not as bad as headmasters.

Masterforce is one of the best transformers cartoons made but is nothing like the classic series. You've been warned.

I never did understand why marvel didn't make a transformers uk stories comic for america to reprint the uk comics. They did a gijoe one that had the action force comics but all we got was "man of iron".

I'd like to think Reflector survived the attack on Cybertron by Unicron,along with Shockwave!!!!

riddler72

[riddler72]

ME GRIMLOCK WANT TALK TO TRANSFORMER FANS,BUT NO SHOW!!!!!!



riddler72

[LordEd1976]

Last time we see reflector in the us series is the movie. I think he makes a cameo in headmasters but thats it.

Last time I remember seeing Reflector was briefly in the Movie during the attack on Autobot City (Right before we see Wheeljack's corpse.)

Alot of characters are unaccounted for post-movie. In addition to Shockwave and Reflector, several Autobots just disappear after the Movie. Trailbreaker, Gears, Inferno, Bluestreak, Hoist, Skyfire, Red Alert, Grapple, Sunstreaker, Sideswipe, Mirage, Smokescreen, and maybe a few others I can't remember off the top of my head never appear again. I know from storyboards that Smokescreen, Red Alert, and Trailbreaker were supposed to die in the battle of Autobot City, but what about everyone else?

[shades of eternity]

grapple and hoist were probably retired and running a "special bar" somewhere. :tongue:

[dupersuper]

I enjoyed the cartoon from the pilot, through the movie, up until the return of Optimus. I liked what Marvel comics I got (both the Transformers and Transformers/GI Joe issues). I loved the first modern G1 mini, liked the 2nd, and lost interest in the crapfest of minis that followed them. I'll keep watching the current live action movie series as long as Optimus continues to be voiced by the guy from the old cartoon. I never had any use for Beast Wars or the newer re-imagined cartoons.

[drwho]

The anime sequels from japan are a lot of fun. If you have any extra money check them out

[riddler72]

grapple and hoist were probably retired and running a "special bar" somewhere. :tongue:

Now,what do you mean by "special"(wink,wink)?????


riddler72

[riddler72]

ME GRIMLOCK HERE,WHERE EVERYONE GO???????????????



riddler72

[riddler72]

Hey,were did all the Transformer fans go????

Did you take a space-bridge to Cybertron and didn't tell me????