Quicksilver vs. Namor - who's the bigger jerk?

[FlintEastwood]

I was reading some back issues of X-Factor as well as some more recent series (Herc, Agents of Atlas, Mighty Avengers). Between the appearances of both Namor and Quicksilver, it seems like whenever they're around they're absolutely the most pompous jerks in the room.

It probably seems that way because in fact, they are.

I'm not sure if this similarity has ever been explored. What I would like to see, in the same vein as Jack of Fables on the DC side of comics, is a mini featuring Namor and Quicksilver trying to out-asshole each other, teetering on heroics and villiany, and only doing acts of each as an accident.

It would make sense, no? When it gets down to the two characters, they are both driven by selfishness as opposed to a real desire to do good or evil. I see the height of hubris in each of them, and a jingoistic appreciation for their own noble kind that borders on racism.

Of course, there are plenty of other straight up JERKS in the Marvel Universe. We have Hank Pym. Tony Stark. Norman Osborn. They don't even compare, because they have an agenda that involves someone other than themselves.

In an ultimate fight between the jerks, who is going to come out victorious?

[daveageallen]

is this namor week? like pym week last month?

or did one person just spark 10 namor submariner related threads

[CrimsonComedian]

Namor is not a jerk.

[Shellhead]

Namor is not a jerk.

Yeah, it's just random and coincidental that he is always losing his temper and trying to sleep with Sue Richards. All those attacks on New York City? Simple misunderstandings. Teaming up with Doctor Doom on multiple occasions? Hey, anybody could make that mistake!

[daveageallen]

Namor is not a jerk.

namor is sweet. but yeah he is a jerk. throwing iron man out of a window during the immuninati because they disagreed? attacking people who dont bow to him or show over ammounts of respect.
he killed people , a lot of people before becoming a hero (kinda ) now..

[Shellhead]

I voted Quicksilver, because he stole Johnny Storm's girlfriend, even before Crystal became the town bicycle of Attilan. Pietro also didn't invite his own sister to his wedding, because he didn't like her dating an android. So he is kind of racist and also a hypocrite. Even back in the days of Cap's Kookie Quartet, it was kind of disturbing how he kept challenging Cap's authority as leader.

[LungerTony]

Quicksilver racist because he disapproves of his sister dating a robot?

I would disapprove if my sister dated a robot. I most definitely would. Racist against robots, or the fictional idea of functioning robots? LOL.

Namor is totally the bigger jerk. Quicksilver atleast has reached humility before. Namor rivals Doom with his arrogance.
Seriously, like half the appearances we see Namor these days, he seems to be threatening pr engaging atleast one of his alleged allies with violence.

[Sighphi]

Quick, Namor is royalty and that's how they normally act.

[Omega Alpha]

Namor, because he makes the point of his life in being a jerk, while Quicksilver just happens to be one somewhat unintentionally.

[marvell2100]

Namor is bi-polar. Therefore he is not a jerk. Quicksilver is manic-depressive so he isn't a jerk either. But damn if those butt wipes don't get on your nerves sometimes!

[mikekerr3]

Yeah, it's just random and coincidental that he is always losing his temper and trying to sleep with Sue Richards. All those attacks on New York City? Simple misunderstandings. Teaming up with Doctor Doom on multiple occasions? Hey, anybody could make that mistake!

Actualy I agree with most of that but his original and a few other of the attacks on NYC have be justified in response to humans harming his people. The last team-up with Doom was in mutual self defense.

[Iron Maiden]

Namor has had some legitimate grievances with the "surface world" over the years. Polluting the oceans, exposing his subjects to a deadly nerve gas that put them all in a comatose state, etc. That's one reason why he sometimes turns to Doom even with all their differences. When Doom gave his word that he would cure the Atlanteans, something Reed had failed to do, he kept his end of the bargain. Of course, this was back when writers did credit Doom with having some degree of honor.

Namor wasn't always a tool... he did help Reed get over his depression and shell shock from being trapped in the past by Hyperstorm. In his early solo series, he was always the noble monarch.

[Will.S]

I honestly can't decide which one is the bigger jerk, they both are.

[Assemble]

Both Jerks. Quicksilver always rides the line of slightly "slow in the brain" which adds a little LESS jerkiness to him.

[Nightstar1441]

Yep - both jerks - kinda root for them when they get their ass handed to them - even if it is by a villian because they just so deserve it

[Rurik]

namor is sweet. but yeah he is a jerk. throwing iron man out of a window during the immuninati because they disagreed? attacking people who dont bow to him or show over ammounts of respect.
he killed people , a lot of people before becoming a hero (kinda ) now..

Stark deserved the bitch slap Namor gave him, and then some, I wouldn't consider that being a jerk on Namor's part.

[Global Honored]

Wow, that is tough one. This would be real showdown between two prickly bastiches..but in a jerk off I would say that Namor would probably take the cake...oh wait, that didn't sound right at all.

[Monty_Cristo]

U.S. Agent

[Syrant]

U.S. Agent

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Yeah, that jerk.

Hm...I think I'll have to go with Namor. He changes up a lot, but at his worst, he does nothing as undersea creatures attack innocents. (Though Osborn out-jerked him in that situation.)

Quicksilver doesn't uh...think too highly of certain people, but he won't let them die just because of that.

[earl]

It's got to be Namor. The guy was kind of jerky complex character even in the golden age. He is an original in that manner. Being a complex and misunderstood jerk was Namor's thing all the time from the beginning of the Silver Age. The guy was constantly going from wanting to destroy humans and the F4 (except Sue) and then changing his mind at the last minute and helping them, then shooing them away in the end as they are not his friends.

The whole Quicksilver has a big ego thing came a bit later on after the character had been around a while. I don't remember that being a part of his deal in those early Avenger's issues. It was a bit of a deal by the 70s after the whole thing with Magneto became part of their story and later on he is a real jerk.

[Jason Abbadon]

Namor takes it!
The only reason he even comes to the surface world is to start shit with someone- never just "I heard you guys need help".
Whenever anyone asks him for aid he always replies with the old "The affairs of the surface world are none of my concern" and Reed/Tony/Steve/Sue/Doom will have to say "You know this will threaten the Atlanteans as well!", then Namor will grudgingly agree, but he'll keep a seashell up his butt the whole time.

Total jerkass.

Namor is NOT a hero- not half the hero of even Wolverine: he's just looking out for his own race and rubbing it in everyone's faces how "superior" the Atlanteans supposedly are.

Every. Damn. Appearance.

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

I enjoy the thought and creativity behind the post, so I won't waste your time.

Namor is a bigger deal, whatever gets him the creative "push" he and his story deserve, I'll go with.

I see him as a more important "hero" in spite of the "jerk factor" which is why you need a guy like that, not that I don't appreciate the quicksilver character, because I do.

I mean look at his influence on one of my own favorite heros and his seemingly endless line of replacements and the contrast, artistically speaking. Strictly pictorialy.

However, when the smoke clears, so to speak, Namor, The Sub-Mariner, should have never lost that fight to Aquaman, if you know what I mean. (adressing those 'aware' of the big picture)

He's the first. He is such a pivotal component of the modern anti-hero that it's timeless.

All of these other "cosmetic" things about characters can be adapted to the era in which we're speaking if the writing is right.

I know there are other factors involved, but still, this is a MARVEL character that is part of it's foundation, both literally (being one of the original Marvel Heros and suqsequently, an early influence on the modern anti-hero) as well as in it's contemporary appeal that made it what it is today.

I mean a character's story doesn't die, it doesn't get old, if it's one of the good ones. Maybe the presentation or perhaps the people writing it or whatever, but if it's good, it's good.

He should be written accordingly as to always capture that bit of "jerk" but in the end a hero thing, and not portrayed as a relic.

Yes, it can be done.

You know what I'm saying here?

Hope that clears things up as to which side I am on.

[worstblogever]

Quicksilver. The horrible father moments during "Son of M", and the fact that he outright murdered an Inhuman while stealing the Terrigen Mists from them kinda give him the nod, from me.

Not to mention the times he betrayed the Avengers, and helped get them arrested for treason, pressuring Wanda into creating the House of M, etc.

Namor killed his own full grown son, but only because the little bastard tried to take over Atlantis, so he went with the old, "Brought you into this world, and I'll take you out of it" philosophy. But Namor's generally doing the right thing. He's just being a dick while doing it.

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

Quicksilver. The horrible father moments during "Son of M", and the fact that he outright murdered an Inhuman while stealing the Terrigen Mists from them kinda give him the nod, from me.

Not to mention the times he betrayed the Avengers, and helped get them arrested for treason, pressuring Wanda into creating the House of M, etc.

Namor killed his own full grown son, but only because the little bastard tried to take over Atlantis, so he went with the old, "Brought you into this world, and I'll take you out of it" philosophy. But Namor's generally doing the right thing. He's just being a dick while doing it.

Dude, hahaha...I'm just laughing reading your post. (not mocking) Did you mean that?

:biggrin:

I kinda liked Quicksilver in Cap's Avenger team, I don't really know why they went bezerk with him, rather than capitilize on his being a mutant and an example or representative to show these idiots that "Hey! Mutants are heros to", whereas Namor is such a quintessinial component of the anti-hero, yet is never able to reap the rewards of that, no wonder he's depicted as being pissed all the time.

*Kindest Regards

[worstblogever]

Dude, hahaha...I'm just laughing reading your post. (not mocking) Did you mean that?

:biggrin:

I kinda liked Quicksilver in Cap's Avenger team, I don't really know why they went bezerk with him, rather than capitilize on his being a mutant and an example or representative to show these idiots that "Hey! Mutants are heros to", whereas Namor is such a quintessinial component of the anti-hero, yet is never able to reap the rewards of that, no wonder he's depicted as being pissed all the time.

*Kindest Regards

I meant it. Namor's just better with kids, I guess. And animals, to be sure.

[Syrant]

Quicksilver. The horrible father moments during "Son of M", and the fact that he outright murdered an Inhuman while stealing the Terrigen Mists from them kinda give him the nod, from me.

Not to mention the times he betrayed the Avengers, and helped get them arrested for treason, pressuring Wanda into creating the House of M, etc..
I'm not sure you can call him a total jerk for House of M...Quicksilver thought they were going to kill his sister, and to save her, convinced her to change the world into a utopia. Every hero got what they wanted. He also stole the Terrigen Crystals to cure the rest of the de-powered mutant population.

His execution is totally wrong since he leaps without thinking, but he has good intentions most of the time.

[Monty_Cristo]

if it's just between those two, my vote goes to Quicksilver. Pietro wasn't raised as royalty. Namor's looking down on others is a part of his station in life. that said, he is a real shark. he hit on Sue Richards at Reed's funeral. but he didn't hook his child on drugs like Pietro did. and he wasn't racist against synthezoids. and i can't help but think of Pietro beating up his depowered dad; literally creating duplicates of himself so he could kick the old guy from multiple angles. that was just tacky. so i think Quicksilver is the bigger jerk.

that said, i think Ant-Man fit in more jerkery in the short time he's been around than either of those two. Pietro and Namor were bad parents (Namor because he wasn't even aware of his child). Eric didn't even make the attempt; just knocked up his dead best friend's girlfriend & ran. plus there's the lengths he went to humiliate Monkey Speedball; can't imagine how disappointed Robbie's parents were.

[Captain Commander]

Namor is bi-polar. Therefore he is not a jerk. Quicksilver is manic-depressive so he isn't a jerk either. But damn if those butt wipes don't get on your nerves sometimes!

That's pretty much my thoughts.

Namor: "I'm not a jerk, just my brain chemistry screws up when I'm not submerged in water. Ask my fellow Atlanteans, they think I'm cool."

Quicksilver: "I'm so much faster than everyone else. Hooray for me. Problem is everyone else is so slow and irritating. And how come noone else can see that my speed of thought makes me true leader material? Oh man the world is so wrong and depressing. Woah am I and my daddy don't appreciate me enough."




Namor has had some legitimate grievances with the "surface world" over the years. Polluting the oceans, exposing his subjects to a deadly nerve gas that put them all in a comatose state, etc.
And Quicksilver has the whole "mutants being persecuted thing" going on. Still both tools in my opinion.

[zebop]

It's a tough call. Namor has years more of experience, but Pietro has the edge on speed so he's catching up fast.

I suppose the only way to settle it is for both mutants to square off and determine once and for all "Which one of us is the biggest jerk?"

Perhaps they will will have to have a jerk-off to decide.

Wait. That didn't come out quite right...:redface:

[zebop]

Sorry. :tongue:

Danged duplicate post.

[zebop]

It's a tough call. Namor has years more of experience, but Pietro has the edge in speed so he's catching up fast.

I suppose the only way to settle it is for both mutants to square off and determine once and for all "Which one of us is the biggest jerk?"

Perhaps they will will have to have a jerk-off to decide.

Wait. That didn't come out quite right...:redface:

[zebop]

It's a tough call. Namor has years more of experience, but Pietro has the edge in speed so he's catching up fast.

I suppose the only way to settle it is for both mutants to square off and determine once and for all "Which one of us is the biggest jerk?"

Perhaps they will will have to have a jerk-off to decide.

Wait. That didn't come out quite right...:redface:

[Jason Abbadon]

if it's just between those two, my vote goes to Quicksilver. Pietro wasn't raised as royalty. Namor's looking down on others is a part of his station in life. that said, he is a real shark. he hit on Sue Richards at Reed's funeral. but he didn't hook his child on drugs like Pietro did. and he wasn't racist against synthezoids. and i can't help but think of Pietro beating up his depowered dad; literally creating duplicates of himself so he could kick the old guy from multiple angles. that was just tacky. so i think Quicksilver is the bigger jerk.

I see it diffrently- Namor was raised in a pampered royal atmosphere while pietro was forced to take responsibility for his sister's safety from a very young age.
Pietro's dad is a total monster, his sister is wildly unstable and took up with a robot (who Pietro did not consider alive- that's hardly racist, as Vision has no race, aside from other robots).
Pietro really got his act together for a while there- He fell in love and married Crystal, they had a baby and, after wanda had her twins he was almost cheery.
wanda was useing her powers to mess with people's reactions to her at that point -no one even questioned how a robot could impregnante her.
Heck, Doctor strange delivered the twins himself and said nothing!

Then his slutty wife cheated on him with an insurance salesman- that blew a fuse and he betrayed the Avengers to Gyrich.
His instibility has been retconned to be an effect of terrgen gas exposure, i heard. (shrugs)
Later, he learns that Wanda's darling children were only manifestations of her reality-warping powers and their souls were parts of Mephisto.
Pietro tries to help his now-competely insane sister and helps the west Coast Avengers against Magneto...

Really, Pietro has had a crappy life- doing good here and there with the Avengers and X-Force while doing whatever it takes to ensure his sister's safety.

Namor's just a tool- he has no excuses. He's a terrible leader too- Atlantis has been destroyed more often than Iron man has upgraded his armor!

[FlintEastwood]

:rolleyes:

I opened up a can of worms by using the word "jerk", huh?

[NickFury90]

Wow, that is tough one. This would be real showdown between two prickly bastiches..but in a jerk off I would say that Namor would probably take the cake...oh wait, that didn't sound right at all.

Really got to work on a better choice of words there, buddy.