Cable #16 discussion: Post-Messiah War

[skatalite]

Yarrr, here be spoilers in this short review. Read at your own risk.

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How different is this series, now that Messiah War has ended? I hate to say it, but not very.

Cable and Hope get separated, with Hope slipping two years back in the time stream. As Cable looks for any trace of Hope's residence in the area, the technovirus is getting the best of him, as it spreads throughout his entire body. Not only that, but Bishop (now sporting a mean eye patch) catches up with him and the two trade some blows. Eventually, Bishop escapes, shifting himself two years back in the time stream. So, bam, he's full force ahead on finding Hope.

All the while, Hope is befriended by a child in Stryfe's (though now Stryfe-less) Celestial City. And as Hope and her friend are walking around, Bishop shows up with a small crew, obviously searching for her. (See, Bishop befriended the local military or something, and they somehow agreed to help him in his search. None of this is explained, hence my vagueness.)

End issue.

Meh. That's exactly what this issue is, is meh. It's completely driven by narration, which I despise in 99 percent of the books I read. Of course, narration is important in comics, but this entire issue is pretty much narration. I know this series has had that problem before, and the Messiah War event was a great relief from all that. But now it's back to the same-ol, same-ol.

What did Messiah War accomplish? Bringing back some enemies, letting some enemies know who Hope is, and having some fun reading material courtesy of X-Force? Other than that, not shit has happened. Let's be real. And in Cable #16, it's more of the (say it with me) same-ol, same-ol.

I like Cable as a character, and the fact that the technovirus is on its way to dominating and killing him, it will be interesting to see how he gets out of that mess. How will Hope fair against Bishop and his Gestapo? I guess we'll have to wait.

Art-wise, Cable #16 leaves a lot to be desired. I've never been a huge Paul Gulacy fan, and this issue really cements that feeling. I'm not saying I could draw any better, I'm just saying this could be better. Everything is so typical, so predictable. There are some panels that I did enjoy, like Cable's facial expression when he realizes the virus is on the attack. Great close-up and great work on Cable's good eye. Dave Wilkins' cover, however, rules. Cable looks awesome and Hope's got the cuteness going on. Colors are wonderful on the cover and inside the book, although, considering the nature of the story, it'd be nice to see some grit applied to the art overall.

Us who have been with this title since #1 can tell you exactly what's happened: time stream jumping, Hope and Cable chilling, Bishop close behind, Hope and Cable losing a close friend, time stream jumping, enter X-Force and crew, and now more time stream jumping and Bishop is still following. Sigh.

Let's beef it up, Duane Swierczynski! We know you can do it!

Hopefully next month packs some heat that's been missing from this solo going for quite some time.

Rating: 2.5/5

Discussion time! What do you want out of a post-Messiah War Cable series?

[Beast]

So basically....

Since Cable can't travel back in time, we're going to get an easy out for aging Hope another 2 years.

She'll show up 2 years older in the next issue, I'm fairly certain. Seems like just a cheap way of aging up Hope while not continuing to crank Cable's age further and further forward.

[prince_nightcrawler]

Let's beef it up, Duane Swerczynski! We know you can do it!

No we don't. Sales don't justify keeping this one going.

[skatalite]

So basically....

Since Cable can't travel back in time, we're going to get an easy out for aging Hope another 2 years.

She'll show up 2 years older in the next issue, I'm fairly certain. Seems like just a cheap way of aging up Hope while not continuing to crank Cable's age further and further forward.

Yes, you are likely correct. I'd put money on such a bet, too.

No we don't. Sales don't justify keeping this one going.

He's done well with Iron Fist, writing-wise. I don't pay close attention to numbers, just if I personally enjoy something or not. I haven't heard much negativity about his work on Fist. Cable, yeah, different matter, but the point is he can be a damn good writer. I've the fear that Cable just isn't the proper character for him, is all.

[dkostus]

Can we get a real Cable fan to explain why he can still have the techno-organic virus? In all seriousness, didn't he get de-aged and put into a different body in Cable and Deadpool at some point, and then raised by Deadpool while aging at a rapid rate?

In all seriousness, I think this could be cool... maybe the techno-organic virus takes over his body but he doesn't die, and becomes like Apocolypse... maybe this all comes out with him BECOMING Apocopolypse and going back in time with his mind wiped... but being that echno-organic being that eventually infects himself as a young baby.

But from what I understood he didn't actually have it anymore. Can someone PLEASE explain?

[CMBMOOL]

I do pray that Hope learned some new survival skills from Cable, because she'll need it come next issue. :frown:

[digitalways]

All the while, Hope is befriended by a child in Stryfe's (though now Stryfe-less) Celestial City. And as Hope and her friend are walking around, Bishop shows up with a small crew, obviously searching for her. (See, Bishop befriended the local military or something, and they somehow agreed to help him in his search. None of this is explained, hence my vagueness.)


I thought that Hope was in the Celestial City, just two years prior to the events of Messiah War... meaning, Stryfe and Bishop are still around, Apocalypse hasn't been awakened, and all of that junk. Bishop had been existing with Stryfe for some years prior to X-Force showing up and that whole mess happening. Then again, this is time travel and who really knows?

[Beast]

Can we get a real Cable fan to explain why he can still have the techno-organic virus? In all seriousness, didn't he get de-aged and put into a different body in Cable and Deadpool at some point, and then raised by Deadpool while aging at a rapid rate?

In all seriousness, I think this could be cool... maybe the techno-organic virus takes over his body but he doesn't die, and becomes like Apocolypse... maybe this all comes out with him BECOMING Apocopolypse and going back in time with his mind wiped... but being that echno-organic being that eventually infects himself as a young baby.

But from what I understood he didn't actually have it anymore. Can someone PLEASE explain?
He had a baby technarch put into his nervous system.... or some crap.

[skatalite]

I thought that Hope was in the Celestial City, just two years prior to the events of Messiah War... meaning, Stryfe and Bishop are still around, Apocalypse hasn't been awakened, and all of that junk. Bishop had been existing with Stryfe for some years prior to X-Force showing up and that whole mess happening. Then again, this is time travel and who really knows?

You very well could be correct. I've gotta look at the last issue of Messiah War to see if Cable and Hope jumped any. But yeah, you could be very right.

[4sake]

Honesty I was looking for a reason to drop this, but then out now were he (the writer) star showing he exactly what I wanted to see.

Hope getting older & learning things with out cable to watch her/hold her hand.

Bishop & Cable with semi human like appearances. The other artist drew them like monsters & etc.

I knew issue 1 that the to virus was going to attack/eat away at Cable humanity & that's something I wanted to read about.

I really Like the new character Emil. I hope he joins the regular cast & doesn't die. but I could all so see him dieing to show/teach Hope a life lesson.

Also I think Emil is Cable & Stryfe relative/descendant which would make him a Summers kind of lol. I know we really didn't need another Summer, but I actually like him lol. I hope he's a mutant & get some type of power. Maybe he'll grow up to be hope's boy friend/husband then she'd be a ''real'' summers lol.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I really enjoyed this issue. Seeing Hope on her own was nice, and I loved her interactions with Emil. Hopefully this story arc will give Hope more growth and make her more capable of surviving on her own.

[Prodigy55]

In Cable & Deadpool he was reborn with a benign TO virus. He then completely burnt out his powers. He replaced his TK with a forcefield and his TP with like a wi-fi brain.

I think.

[Henry T.]

I really Like the new character Emil. I hope he joins the regular cast & doesn't die. but I could all so see him dieing to show/teach Hope a life lesson.
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If they really want to continue teasing fans, they will have Hope witness Emil being ran over by a car.

[Sighphi]

Welcome to the first issue of the next year an a half of Cable running and Bishop chasing.....

Hope will age and Bishop will probably loose another body part but this thing is going to continue on with this boring cat and mouse game.

How are the sales on this book by the way?
Cause i cant believe that this thing is surviving because people are buying it. This thing has to be alive because it's integral to the overall X-world.

[The Thunderbird]

Bishop & Cable with semi human like appearances. The other artist drew them like monsters & etc.


To be fair though, Bishop is kinda a monster at this point.

[Faded]

I hope they keep aging Hope until she's a middle-aged woman or old lady instead of stopping short and allowing her to remain a youthful and perky young adult (which is what I'm expected but would love to be proven wrong).

[4sake]

If they really want to continue teasing fans, they will have Hope witness Emil being ran over by a car.

:evilangry: :mad: :frown:

[Daken Akihiro]

This sums up my feelings... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1YmS_VDvMY)

[4sake]

To be fair though, Bishop is kinda a monster at this point.

You know what I mean lol.. Also Bishop still is RIGHT :biggrin:

[worstblogever]

How are the sales on this book by the way?
Cause i cant believe that this thing is surviving because people are buying it. This thing has to be alive because it's integral to the overall X-world.

They were up during Messiah War, to be sure. They were around 50,000 all through it.

However, back on issue #11 in February, before Cable hit "Messiah War: Prologue" with #12, it was at 31,000 or so.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2009/2009-02.html

It's got some life, left, still, but that 31,000 could turn into a 18-20,000 danger zone if things get too boring.

Ask again in 4-6 months.

[timbox]

I think this T/O virus plot was probably in the works before Messiah War became mandated and the writer was forced to drag out the story in order for MW to happen. I am sick of Bishop. Hopefully Bishop will kill that little idiot, Emil, and Hope will then finally kill Bishop.

The art was a refreshing change.

[mikekerr3]

You know what I mean lol.. Also Bishop still is RIGHT :biggrin:

How can the murder of at least 8 BILLION people be right:confused:

[timbox]

How can the murder of at least 8 BILLION people be right:confused:

They were fake people who shouldn't exist anyway. It's not a big deal.

[4sake]

How can the murder of at least 8 BILLION people be right:confused:

Because there lives suck anyway lol. But really has to be right for marvel to cut off his arm & eye other wise why would they put him thur so much:rolleyes: . Also has to be right so they don't have write stories about redeeming him later on:biggrin: .

[Optic Rage!]

Eh.

Same shit.

[timbox]

Because there lives suck anyway lol. But really has to be right for marvel to cut off his arm & eye other wise why would they put him thur so much:rolleyes: . Also has to be right so they don't have write stories about redeeming him later on:biggrin: .

You are a complete parody.

[Greg Anderson]

Hmm, I'm guessing I read the issue wrong. I mostly skimmed through it but I coulda sworn the end reveal was that Emil was Bishop's kid? :confused:

Yeah, I'll have to definitely give it a serious read. :redface:

[Josef F.]

I wish I had a wifi brain

[daveageallen]

iam pissed. i spent all that ,money buying the messiah war from the start to end and nothing happedned. this is crap, honestly. they did nothing, nothing changed at all! wow cable got his powers back again! for a short time! again! not like that has not been seen ten times in Cable and deadpool.

i am so tired of x-books nothign ever ever ever pans out. its just the same stuff and they make these over hyped cross over events. you could have cut out the walking and just done this in three issues of cable. why even worry about x-force they did nothing. hope is going to end up with a goofey power or non or the phenoix and it still will be lame.

seriously this will be the last x-book i ever buy. i will go back to downloading them if it seems worth it., thank you very much.

[cable guy]

No we don't. Sales don't justify keeping this one going.

That is what worries me.

Maybe he has a plan, but by the time it would all pan out this title will be cancelled.

It is just dragging on.

[rwsmith]

iam pissed. i spent all that ,money buying the messiah war from the start to end and nothing happedned. this is crap, honestly. they did nothing, nothing changed at all! wow cable got his powers back again! for a short time! again! not like that has not been seen ten times in Cable and deadpool.

i am so tired of x-books nothign ever ever ever pans out. its just the same stuff and they make these over hyped cross over events. you could have cut out the walking and just done this in three issues of cable. why even worry about x-force they did nothing. hope is going to end up with a goofey power or non or the phenoix and it still will be lame.

seriously this will be the last x-book i ever buy. i will go back to downloading them if it seems worth it., thank you very much.

Agreed. From the bad taste Messiah War left in my mouth to the stuff I'm hearing about Reborn (which thankfully I did not purchase), Marvel seems to be cranking out some serious crap these days. I'm getting ready to drastically reduce my pull-list down to a handful of titles (X-Force, Wolverine Weapon X, New Avengers and maybe Astonishing X-men). And I'll probably pick up a bunch of The List one-shots. Other than that, not much is really holding my interest these days.

Some titles (e.g., Uncanny, Dark Avengers, Fantastic Four) are just "okay" IMO (but not worth the money), while others are downright horrible (e.g., Red Hulk, Ultimatum, Cable, Reborn). Marvel needs to back away from the events and crossovers IMO, and get back to solid self-contained runs like Morrison on New X-men, Millar on Ultimate X-men or the Ultimates or even Brubaker on Captain America before this Reborn debacle.

Just my $.02.

[daveageallen]

Agreed. From the bad taste Messiah War left in my mouth to the stuff I'm hearing about Reborn (which thankfully I did not purchase), Marvel seems to be cranking out some serious crap these days. I'm getting ready to drastically reduce my pull-list down to a handful of titles (X-Force, Wolverine Weapon X, New Avengers and maybe Astonishing X-men). And I'll probably pick up a bunch of The List one-shots. Other than that, not much is really holding my interest these days.

Some titles (e.g., Uncanny, Dark Avengers, Fantastic Four) are just "okay" IMO (but not worth the money), while others are downright horrible (e.g., Red Hulk, Ultimatum, Cable, Reborn). Marvel needs to back away from the events and crossovers IMO, and get back to solid self-contained runs like Morrison on New X-men, Millar on Ultimate X-men or the Ultimates or even Brubaker on Captain America before this Reborn debacle.

Just my $.02.

i picked up reborn and it is worth it. honestly it is a good cap story so far and i had serious doubts. so far cap and Mighty avengers are the only two marvel comics i am going to get anymore.

dont wanna sound like a hipster but the indie comics like madman and concrete and BPRD are so much better when one writer writes it all and not just thirty diffrent guys ruining the last writers storys and character developments

[Nicoclaws]

I think I'm one of the few who like the "Road" (by McCarthy) feeling of this book. I don't buy it, though, so I shouldn't have anything to say.

[skatalite]

Hmm, I'm guessing I read the issue wrong. I mostly skimmed through it but I coulda sworn the end reveal was that Emil was Bishop's kid? :confused:

Yeah, I'll have to definitely give it a serious read. :redface:

Nah, he's not Bishop's kid. He's the kid of one of the obvious bigwigs in Bishop's posse. It's on the very last page.

[Karl H]

Bishop increasingly reminds me of the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

[Sighphi]

He had a baby technarch put into his nervous system.... or some crap.

Yeah the last change was when Silver Surfer blew him up and apparently destroyed most of his T/O stuff so Deadpool got him a baby T/O alien that he controls and remakes the parts broken.

The thing on him now isnt a Virus and isnt supposed to be "ravaging" him. It's just a symbiotic thing he control to make sure it shapes into what he wants.... blah.

Apparently they went back to the Apoc thing.

By the way, why is Hope wearing Lipstick?

[darknessatnoon]

This issue was great. I love what Duane does with old, grizzled, heroes. And Hope's new codename should officially become "Throat-Slasher."

[Mister Jerusalem]

This issue was great. I love what Duane does with old, grizzled, heroes. And Hope's new codename should officially become "Throat-Slasher."

Was kinda funny how Hope is trying to be all born again hard....was kinda refreshing to have her doing a bit more than she's done the last few issues.

[Bingo!]

This issue was great. I love what Duane does with old, grizzled, heroes. And Hope's new codename should officially become "Throat-Slasher."

Officially, that was my favorite part of this issue - that and Nathan finally completing his decades long metamorphosis.

[timbox]

I want Hope to integrate herself into Celestial City. She should use this Emil kid as an ‘in.’ I would love to see her work with some of Bishop’s Tzahal to get some training. Jump a few years into the future, Hope is a master of Krav Maga and an exceptional tactician. Duane Swierczynski can then write the story of Hope.

[Swashbuckler]

I want Hope to integrate herself into Celestial City. She should use this Emil kid as an ‘in.’ I would love to see her work with some of Bishop’s Tzahal to get some training. Jump a few years into the future, Hope is a master of Krav Maga and an exceptional tactician. Duane Swierczynski can then write the story of Hope.

I would like this Celestial City to be revealed as an alternate furutre version of SAGE the Crystal Palace.

[Bingo!]

Who do you believe rules in that filthy city? If your theory comes to pass, Hope will undoubtedly confront their leader.

[Charm]

Huh, I thought the current version of Cable was taken from the House of M crossover, after bits of Cable had been replaced by the baby Phalanx.

Cable disappeared dealing with the Skornn thingy & DP went to look for him in different 'universes'. DP came back with a baby Cable taken from Mr Sinister. Baby Cable was quickly aged & Cable's memories downloaded into him. This Cable then burned out trying to sort out DP.

.......

[Hi-Fi]

I loved this issue.

[rwsmith]

Huh, I thought the current version of Cable was taken from the House of M crossover, after bits of Cable had been replaced by the baby Phalanx.

Cable disappeared dealing with the Skornn thingy & DP went to look for him in different 'universes'. DP came back with a baby Cable taken from Mr Sinister. Baby Cable was quickly aged & Cable's memories downloaded into him. This Cable then burned out trying to sort out DP.

.......

Jesus! After everything they've put this character through, it's no wonder his book has trouble maintaining decent sales. I like Cable, and even I can't keep up with which incarnation this is, whether he has benign T-O or viral, whether he has powers or not, etc. What a mess!? No wonder most people don't bother with him anymore. Can't say I blame them.

[Majinoaw]

Jesus! After everything they've put this character through, it's no wonder his book has trouble maintaining decent sales. I like Cable, and even I can't keep up with which incarnation this is, whether he has benign T-O or viral, whether he has powers or not, etc. What a mess!? No wonder most people don't bother with him anymore. Can't say I blame them.

And here I thought Cable was a cyborg in his early to mid 50s. He should be 70 by now with all the time travel.
The problem with this title is that it tells a definite story and it feels as if that definite story is being dragged out far beyond what it needs to be. Perhaps a limited series featuring Cable and Hope then an arc in X-Force dealing with meeting Cable and Hope again, and then injecting both characters into the final Messiah crossover. Do any of you agree or are you all against. Let's discuss please.

[RoguishGurl]

I loved this issue.
Me too. I like Emil.

[Til]

I thought that Hope was in the Celestial City, just two years prior to the events of Messiah War... meaning, Stryfe and Bishop are still around, Apocalypse hasn't been awakened, and all of that junk. Bishop had been existing with Stryfe for some years prior to X-Force showing up and that whole mess happening. Then again, this is time travel and who really knows?

In case you were still wondering, at the part when Hope first comes to the city, the narration says that she is 100 years after Stryfe was defeated in Messiah War, and all the people are the descendants of his troops.

Even though I'm beyond tired of the whole, "Bishop goes after Cable and Hope" storyline that simply won't end, I am interested in the idea of these two cities being all that remains of human civilization, and that there's some rivalry between them. I'll probably keep reading solely for more stuff on that.

[Leocomix]

Nobody talks about the mind-blowing art? I mean I never followed Cable but the art alone made it worthy to get this issue.

[7thangel]

smh

does anybody remember the sept. solicits? practically everything is meaningless

one problem, of many, that i have is how they're arbitrarily deciding when it's possibly the 616 future (x-factor?) and when it's an alt future (MW)

[HotDawgJohnny]

still can't decide if I wanna collect cable

[Fatguy]

LOL <3 Hope!

And I also loved this issue, Gulacy was great.

[Fatguy]

Hmm, I'm guessing I read the issue wrong. I mostly skimmed through it but I coulda sworn the end reveal was that Emil was Bishop's kid? :confused:

Yeah, I'll have to definitely give it a serious read. :redface:

Nope, Emil's dad was one of the soldiers (or whatever the hell they are) behind Bishop.

[spiderwire]

Cable and Bishop used to be reason enough to pick up an X book. Now both characters have been ripped to schreds. They remind me of two middle aged uncles that's been fighting for years over nothing. Just kill them both and bring them back 3 or 4 years from now.

[spiderwire]

Cable and Bishop used to be reason enough to pick up an X book. Now both characters have been ripped to schreds. They remind me of two middle aged uncles that's been fighting for years over nothing. Just kill them both and bring them back 3 or 4 years from now.

[rwsmith]

I'll say this much, though, the new cover artist on this book is pretty awesome:

Cable #19 Cover
http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs49/i/2009/166/2/b/Cable_19_done___by_Dave_Wilkins.jpg

And it looks like the new regular series penciler is going to be a guy named Gabriel Guzman, whose stuff looks pretty tight: http://gabrielguzman.blogspot.com/

Now if they would just finally bring him back to the present day and have him interacting with the X-men and the rest of the Marvel Universe, this Cable title would be great!

[Filthy Mutie]

I finally got a chance to read this.

It's not a bad issue. The problems I have with it, if you they can be considered problems with the issue itself, is that I feel like this is how the entire series up until Messiah War should have been written and paced. It's more Spy vs. Spy and I like it.

Bug people, New Jersey Turnpike Commission (or whatever), bland post-apocalyptic settings, and Bishop not being presented as intelligent--all exhaustive. Yes, he's still crazy (needing a nuke or a way to flush her out), but now with the narrative you can follow him easier than just "acting like a lunatic." Speaking of which, the narrative--although confusing since the source knows quite a lot outside of their own, er, world, is pretty good.

I won't mind seeing a Hope who is two years older, since she has to grow up anyway and this book needs to pick up the pace. And even though we've seen the Cable vs. T/O Virus bit before, this time may be the furthest it's gone and it makes him powerful instead of a pile of errant spaghetti.

[Josef F.]

I do not want Cabe in the present.
I wish to see Cable stabbing Brood.

[XaviersMisprint]

What this series needs is more characters to play with. Cable has a one-character supporting cast and one enemy and we're 16 issues in. Get him back to present, SOON. This book would be a great book to see the Mutant Liberation Front, Shatterstar, Blaquesmith, Maverick, Madelyne Pryor, Domino, Rictor, Warpath, Boom Boom, Thornn, The Brotherhood of Mutants, Mystique, Cannonball, etc. MORE CHARACTER INTERACTION PLZ.

[Filthy Mutie]

What this series needs is more characters to play with. Cable has a one-character supporting cast and one enemy and we're 16 issues in. Get him back to present, SOON. This book would be a great book to see the Mutant Liberation Front, Shatterstar, Blaquesmith, Maverick, Madelyne Pryor, Domino, Rictor, Warpath, Boom Boom, Thornn, The Brotherhood of Mutants, Mystique, Cannonball, etc. MORE CHARACTER INTERACTION PLZ.

It would be cool if it tied into PAD's Summers Rebellion timeline.

[4sake]

What this series needs is more characters to play with. Cable has a one-character supporting cast and one enemy and we're 16 issues in. Get him back to present, SOON. This book would be a great book to see the Mutant Liberation Front, Shatterstar, Blaquesmith, Maverick, Madelyne Pryor, Domino, Rictor, Warpath, Boom Boom, Thornn, The Brotherhood of Mutants, Mystique, Cannonball, etc. MORE CHARACTER INTERACTION PLZ.

Yeah more characters would help to better this comic alot. But its probably wont be back in the present till another 12-16 issues. :frown: I'd love to see Rachel join the cast going to help Cable..Also I'd really like to see Sage join the cast helping Bishop. With her only having her computer like mind powers so it be a fair fight & etc.

[Quinnhop]

No we don't. Sales don't justify keeping this one going.

OMG.

OMG.

OMG.

Jack Radcliffe? Really?!

<333333333333

(and this issue sucked)

[americocaine]

Just another 16 months more of this including the Messiah part 3 Aftermath and everything should be back to normal come issue 32 - January 2011. :biggrin:

[rwsmith]

What this series needs is more characters to play with. Cable has a one-character supporting cast and one enemy and we're 16 issues in. Get him back to present, SOON. This book would be a great book to see the Mutant Liberation Front, Shatterstar, Blaquesmith, Maverick, Madelyne Pryor, Domino, Rictor, Warpath, Boom Boom, Thornn, The Brotherhood of Mutants, Mystique, Cannonball, etc. MORE CHARACTER INTERACTION PLZ.

Yes! Seconded.

[chickrockguitar]

So I picked up this issue. I thought I'd give it a shot. And yeah, it was okay. I'm interested in the new kid. I hope he sticks around.

People are right. This book needs more cast members.

[MrHellpop]

Is anyone else creeped out by Gulacy's tendency to draw Hope as a child with an adult head? It's really bizarre that he can't draw a face that actually looks childlike.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7909/cablex.jpg

In that first panel she looks like Jonas Venture.

[just another user]

Really great issue. Happy with the way this comic is going and I trust the writer to deliver.

[Sighphi]

Nah, Hope is just that ugly.
But the lipstick........ now that's wrong.

[Ratstar]

Getting separated so soon was a nice turn of events, and I liked the drawing in the sand. I like Hope, even if the bad art overshadows the inevitable Jean thing.

The book does suffer with such a small cast and a lack of direction so far, but since the crossover it feels like it has found a path to follow. It would be nice to see Futurepool meet up with Cable again, or to have some more cameos, but at this stage it's too late to create a completely new supporting cast (aside from the new kid), since soon we'll probably have the big event.

[ClanAskani]

Yeah more characters would help to better this comic alot. But its probably wont be back in the present till another 12-16 issues. :frown: I'd love to see Rachel join the cast going to help Cable..Also I'd really like to see Sage join the cast helping Bishop. With her only having her computer like mind powers so it be a fair fight & etc.

Agreed. What Cable is missing is character interaction and more going on.

At least now that Hope is older, she can do more, and there's the occasional new person they meet during their travels, but there needs to be a larger supporting cast.

The plot with who Hope is, Bishop trying kill her and eventually Cable and Hope returning isn't going to progress any faster. What's missing is good "filler". Duane Swiercznski's novels are very minimalistic without a lot of "filler", so he's not going to add stuff just for the sake of having stuff happen. So there's got to be more going on, and more characters would add that.

It's too bad that someone from X-Force didn't get left behind with Cable and Hope. Domino would have been a good option, but she's got that Sex and Violence mini-series with Wolverine coming up, so I guess she's permanently with X-Force.

Once Rachel returns from space, she would make a great supporting character.

What worked the best in Messiah War was Hope's interaction with Laura and Josh. Hope needs someone else there to play against Nathan.

[cable guy]

Yeah more characters would help to better this comic alot. But its probably wont be back in the present till another 12-16 issues. :frown: I'd love to see Rachel join the cast going to help Cable..Also I'd really like to see Sage join the cast helping Bishop. With her only having her computer like mind powers so it be a fair fight & etc.

Agreed.

Being back in present time would help with this.