Uncanny X-Men #513 Review Thread (SPOILERS)-

[worstblogever]

Uncanny X-Men #513



I thought long and hard about this issue, after reading last week's Utopia, Part 1 One shot. It occured to me that this might be the biggest moment of Marvel Universe-wide crossover into an event for the X-folks since House of M. Possibly it would be the biggest X/Avengers crossover since Onslaught, and it has all the players to be regarded as notably as say, Bloodties.

Think of the number of toys Matt Fraction and Terry Dodson have to play with. They've got the entire population of Marin Base. All the Dark Avengers. The Dark X-Men, who feature about eight characters with personality, and power to hold their own. Plus, he's got members of the 198 turning up that haven't been seen since Civil War: X-Men. Simon Trask and his nefarious agenda. All of San Francisco as a setting, a battlefield for this drama to play out.

It could be an epic, for years to come.

But, similarly to how Norman Osborn regards Dark X-Men member Dagger in this very issue, "here is a great shouldabeen". There are so many toys coming out in this toybox, but I feel that none of them are actually being played with properly. You might love these players. But a "fraption" caption box and perhaps one line that could be as telling of their personality as, "Hey. Hey. Hey. Is it ready? Is it-" (Thanks Weapon Omega. You sound like Fat Albert.) is what you'll get. For those of us content to ask for a scan of their beloved, rarely seen character who shows up in one panel, this issue will continue to be gold.

However, in terms of the "epic"? Not so much.

Further bothersome is the amount of head-scratching characterizations. Some, you have to say, it's for a reason. After all these years, maybe Avalanche would learn to not be a stupid goon. But Adam-X dropping nineties catch-phrases like he's stuck in a Mountain Dew ad, as a self-parody? I thought there was high drama going on...Emma Frost has nothing to say about the Dark Beast's involvement, considering when she last saw him, she threatened his life for kidnapping some of her charges for genetic experimentation?

Too many toys, too much happening without much thought.

The art, for a dark, totalitarian regime, led by Norman Osborn, seems a bit bright and shiny from the Dodsons. Whether it's the Dark Beast looking sharp with his hair slicked back, or say, Venom looking not very gooey, and worthy of a villain from Ben 10 as he tries to eat Colossus, the mood comes off as way off. It's also pretty underwhelming as Simon Trask makes his move, and it's pretty clear, the Bastion storyline from X-Force is coming to roost here, too.

Would that be another big ingredient tossed into this soup? Yeah.


And, with all that to work with, this was pretty mediocre. If you want cheesecake shots of Dagger and Emma Frost, this is money. If you want the entire population of the Marin Base sitting on its haunches, planning, save for Hellion and Match, this is your book.

But for all it could be, this is not mine.

6/10.

Plot Summary: Everyone escapes the authorities, save Beast. He talks to Xavier in prison, whose powers aren't working, and isn't sure if it's really him. He's eventually led out of his cell, (he's done hard time before), to the "Omega Machine", which is a creation of... Dark Beast. Like they don't have enough of a reason enough to hate each other. Emma Frost plays ball with Norman, even on national TV, to a much shocked Marin Base. She's given a Dark X-Men team with Dagger, Cloak, Mimic, Daken, Weapon Omega, Mystique (who's pretending to be handi-capable Xavier), and she adds Namor to the roster before she agrees. Oh yeah, Osborn put nano-mites in Mystique, like the whole cast of Thunderbolts had. Osborn's rule is to quell rioting, a curfew is in effect.

Meanwhile, Simon Trask gets out of his hospital bed and starts putting together his own loyal platoon of techno-organic followers as he's pissed off about the Dark X-Men founding on TV.

Cyclops, back at Marin Base, is willing to wait and see what Osborn does. And while he's got everyone there following his lead... Hellion didn't come home after the riot. He's fallen in with Match, Sunspot, Lorelei Travis, Avalanche, Meld (the green guy with black eyes from the Utopia one shot, not Leech after all), and a very X-TREME Adam-X. They go out to defy curfew, and based on Hellion's plan, make the Dark X-Men look like fascists on TV with a non-violent protest.

Non-violent in the way that Match sets things on fire.

So, Emma has Cloak teleport her crew over, and she arrests Hellion and company on national TV. Cyclops decides to talk to Osborn.

FIN.

[darknessatnoon]

Hellion is an idiot. It's a pleasure to see Emma Frost break his jaw.

[Azure]

Better or worse than Messiah War, so far?

[darknessatnoon]

I take issue with your review WBE.

Really? Someone's going to complain that Adam X is out of character?! Does anyone even remember that character?

And why is Emma going to confront Dark Beast in front of Norman?

Cyclops had his team sitting around because he thought Emma had a card to play. She didn't.

Your review is invalidated.

[Puunk]

Nice review, worstblogever. :biggrin: Canada Day prevents me from getting the issue 'til tomorrow, so I'm looking at it uneasily.

How were Cloak and Dagger written? I am really anticipating them.

[AcesX1X]

overall, i liked the story.

HOWEVER, there is a leap in logic that i am having difficulty reconciling here.

on one page, we have the bitter x-people sitting in a bar (why is match even at this place? fire hazzzzzarrrd) being disgruntled. why is match even disguntled in the first place? isn't he pretty brainless anyway? ....always smiling?

anyway...

adam x slams his food on table and says he wants to go beat up some humans. but sunspot says that would be stupid to act like "goons" and they would get stomped quickly. hellion SMARTLY agrees with sunspot and surprisingly, so does avalanche.

so, then....

why, on the very next page, do we seen hellion and co. being terrorists and blowing up san francisco?!

LOL, did something happen off-panel to change everyone minds?

[Nyssane]

I'm appalled at the choices Fraction made for the "renegade mutants." Adam-X, Lorelei the slut, and Z-Lister Meld? He could've at least used Mindmeld, the interesting transgendered character. Or... Thumbelina.... *weeps*

[darknessatnoon]

overall, i liked the story.

HOWEVER, there is a leap in logic that i am having difficulty reconciling here.

on one page, we have the bitter x-people sitting in a bar (why is match even at this place? fire hazzzzzarrrd) being disgruntled. why is match even disguntled in the first place? isn't he pretty brainless anyway? ....always smiling?

anyway...

adam x slams his food on table and says he wants to go beat up some humans. but sunspot says that would be stupid to act like "goons" and they would get stomped quickly. hellion SMARTLY agrees with sunspot and surprisingly, so does avalanche.

so, then....

why, on the very next page, do we seen hellion and co. being terrorists and blowing up san francisco?!

LOL, did something happen off-panel to change everyone minds?

Nothing happened off panel. Hellion is an idiot and he has no impulse control. There is no discontinuity there.

[psycwave]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


Adam X.

[frog]

Thank you, WBE, for a thoughtful review without a single LOL or OMG.


That's the problem with trying to use a large cast. Even with good writing it's difficult to make everyone seem significant, and if Fraction has had trouble making well known characters sound like themselves, it sure isn't going to happen with the C and D listers.

[AN0LE]

I think the artwork is what really bothered me with this issue. I loved Silvestri's art on the one-shot. It just felt right for the story. Dodson's... not so much. His depiction of Venom was atrocious and almost laughable. While not as horrid as Land, his females also tend to look similar to eachother (is that Dazzler, a Stepford Cuckoo, or a Russian hooker?).

[AcesX1X]

Nothing happened off panel. Hellion is an idiot and he has no impulse control. There is no discontinuity there.


hellion having no impulse control is canon, but he said blowing up san francisco would be dumb.

and then, he goes and does it. along with sunspot, who fraction's word box said: "knows better."

[worstblogever]

I take issue with your review WBE.

Really? Someone's going to complain that Adam X is out of character?! Does anyone even remember that character?

And why is Emma going to confront Dark Beast in front of Norman?

Cyclops had his team sitting around because he thought Emma had a card to play. She didn't.

Your review is invalidated.

I don't require your validation.

Emma doesn't NEED to confront Dark Beast in front of Norman. Because girlfriend has that telepathy thing. But there's nothing. She raises a stink about Mystique, in front of him, so it's not that.

The Adam-X thing just kills the mood, in character or not. I quote, "Let's &#@% some $%#@ up, bros! Let's get &#@%$# EXTREME!"... I don't recall that, even from 90s X-Force, as ever having been his character. Nor anyone else's.

[FeminineMystique]

Nice review, worstblogever. :biggrin: Canada Day prevents me from getting the issue 'til tomorrow, so I'm looking at it uneasily.

How were Cloak and Dagger written? I am really anticipating them.

Don't get your hopes up too much darling. Remember whose writing this:biggrin:

[frog]

So where did Cyclops run off too and why didn't he corral the kids?

[7thangel]

Hellion is an idiot. It's a pleasure to see Emma Frost break his jaw.

need. scan.

i'm just hoping the brick makes another appearance in this event, because it's obvious by some reactions to this issue, it's sorely needed to elevate the stories to greatness.

[Hakael]

I actually don't have much to add, WBE summed it up nicely.

With Hellion's protest squad... I just don't get it. He specifically said they didn't want to go out and look like goons, that they were just going to break curfew to make a statement... and when they get there, Match lights the place up and nobody bats an eye. Nobody is surprised to see their non-violent protest literally go up in flames before it starts... That, and the Omega Gang nod is still a bit forced.

[Puunk]

Don't get your hopes up too much darling. Remember whose writing this:biggrin:

That depresses me! I love Cloak and Dagger ... so they did nothing? I really anticipated them after Fraction's interview about them on Marvel.com xl How naive was I to think they'd actually be important.

[AcesX1X]

i don't mind that hellion and co. are blowing up san francisco.

i just think fraction took a nap between pages and forgot what he wrote.


either way, fun story!

[darknessatnoon]

I actually don't have much to add, WBE summed it up nicely.

With Hellion's protest squad... I just don't get it. He specifically said they didn't want to go out and look like goons, that they were just going to break curfew to make a statement... and when they get there, Match lights the place up and nobody bats an eye. Nobody is surprised to see their non-violent protest literally go up in flames before it starts... That, and the Omega Gang nod is still a bit forced.

I wish you could read. At least look at the pictures. Hellion didn't start the riot. It was Match. Get it? He's hot-headed.

[Personamanx]

Im still probably gonna pick this one up.
Reviews for any X-book vary in opinions drastically.

[worstblogever]

That depresses me! I love Cloak and Dagger ... so they did nothing? I really anticipated them after Fraction's interview about them on Marvel.com xl How naive was I to think they'd actually be important.

Cloak teleported them. Tandy worried if people watched her in the outfit that shows off her boobs with secret cameras like pervs.

[Hakael]

I wish you could read. At least look at the pictures. Hellion didn't start the riot. It was Match. Get it? He's hot-headed.

I wish you could read, I know he didn't blow up the park. But it didn't look like anyone cared when it happened, like it was something that they had planned.

[ermac]

Fraction still disappoints...
A lot of charactes popping from everywhere, doing nothing REALLY important.

[Nyssane]

I don't like how old Dodson drew Avalanche. It was nice that he had his helmet again, though. I wish Mystique would acknowledge his presence since they were in the same issue together. Avalanche should be with the Dark X-Men, not those crappy "goons."

[darknessatnoon]

I wish you could read, I know he didn't blow up the park. But it didn't look like anyone cared when it happened, like it was something that they had planned.

I'm sure by that point they were drunk and didn't care. Stop acting like angry character acting angry is out of character.

[Puunk]

Cloak teleported them. Tandy worried if people watched her in the outfit that shows off her boobs with secret cameras like pervs.

That's it?

That's all Cloak does, lately! Even in Secret Invasion. And Tandy worrying about her outfit is totally ... not her character. She explicitly stated she didn't care what people thought ... ><

[FeminineMystique]

That's it?

That's all Cloak does, lately! Even in Secret Invasion. And Tandy worrying about her outfit is totally ... not her character. She explicitly stated she didn't care what people thought ... ><

The two will not be appearing in my abridged version in protest of their OOC characterisation and minimal role. Taking their place is Yu Gi Oh Abridgeds Pharoah Atem and Raye from SMA

Raye: I HATE YOU ALL.

Dr Nemesis: Let's be BFF!

:biggrin:

[Agent_Torpor]

That's it?

That's all Cloak does, lately! Even in Secret Invasion. And Tandy worrying about her outfit is totally ... not her character. She explicitly stated she didn't care what people thought ... ><

Tandy is a goddamn exhibitionist! Now she's worried about costuming?

Does Fraction even bother to research these characters?

[AN0LE]

I think the "Dark X-Men: The Beginning" books should have started coming out this week instead of waiting for next. To me, the arrival of Cloak & Dagger and co. seemed a bit rushed. Perhaps the back stories on why they were all chosen and how would have helped connect the dots a bit.

[worstblogever]

For that matter, how did Sunspot go from being a team leader in Young X-Men to letting Hellion tell him where they're gonna go and riot?

[CMBMOOL]

Well there goes an easy answer about who's the Professor X is in the Dark X-men. :redface:

Still it seems like the X-men are waiting for Osborn to play his hand or at least try to and when he did, that when they'll strike.

[Nyssane]

Tandy is a goddamn exhibitionist! Now she's worried about costuming?

Does Fraction even bother to research these characters?

Doesn't she mean more about comfort? Having that thong ride up your ass can't feel great, I'm sure.

[AN0LE]

For that matter, how did Sunspot go from being a team leader in Young X-Men to letting Hellion tell him where they're gonna go and riot?

Seriously... that may have been the worst characterization I have seen thus far in Fraction's run!

[Azure]

I think you should read the issue before you offer your critiques on if Fraction wrote people in-character or not.

[FeminineMystique]

Tandy is a goddamn exhibitionist! Now she's worried about costuming?

Does Fraction even bother to research these characters?

I think we all know that he doesn't. :biggrin:

[AcesX1X]

hellion was never in those idiot young x-men, and he would slap sunspot like sunspot slaps karma if he ever tried to tell him what to do.

[Puunk]

The two will not be appearing in my abridged version in protest of their OOC characterisation and minimal role. Taking their place is Yu Gi Oh Abridgeds Pharoah Atem and Raye from SMA

Raye: I HATE YOU ALL.

Dr Nemesis: Let's be BFF!

:biggrin:

I look forward to it LOL. I'm annoyed now. xO

Tandy is a goddamn exhibitionist! Now she's worried about costuming?

Does Fraction even bother to research these characters?

Exactly! That's what bothers me, and makes me uneasy about reading the issue tomorrow. xl

[Personamanx]

I think you should read the issue before you offer your critiques on if Fraction wrote people in-character or not.


I agree Azure.

[darknessatnoon]

For that matter, how did Sunspot go from being a team leader in Young X-Men to letting Hellion tell him where they're gonna go and riot?

Because he's caught up in the riot mentality. And he's not much better than Hellion as a character anyway.

By the time Match started blasting things, they were already in front of the cameras. By the time he started shit, Hellion was off in front of a camera and the Dark X-Men showed up. What's he going to do? Bitch Match out in the middle of battle or on television? If Hellion weren't such a glory hog and camera seeker, he could have acted like a leader, but once again a New X-Man fails at leading anyone. If anyone dies, it's his fault.

[psycwave]

All in all this issue was pretty meh for me. The highlight was Emma punching Hellion.

[FeminineMystique]

Because he's caught up in the riot mentality. And he's not much better than Hellion as a character anyway.

By the time Match started blasting things, they were already in front of the cameras. By the time he started shit, Hellion was off in front of a camera and the Dark X-Men showed up. What's he going to do? Bitch Match out in the middle of battle or on television? If Hellion weren't such a glory hog and camera seeker, he could have acted like a leader, but once again a New X-Man fails at leading anyone. If anyone dies, it's his fault.

I think if anyone dies it's the person who killed them's fault. But I get the feeling that despite the hype nothing will be changed after this storyline is done, so we probably don't need to worry about that

[darknessatnoon]

I think

No one cares what you think.

[AN0LE]

I think you should read the issue before you offer your critiques on if Fraction wrote people in-character or not.

Already did.

[Beast]

Egad. Adam X - The Extreme. That was embaressing on numerous levels.

Also no surprise that it looks like Hank flips the bird to both Scott and Emma...

Emma's right there in Dark Beast's lab as he's being returned to his cell and doesn't say a damn thing. Unless there's a retconned reveal that she was talking to him telepathically the whole time to fill him in on the situation and get intel, it proves she hasn't changed. Considering he's one of her closest friends, and has been since Morrison's run. Just wait til she gets shattered again, and Hank hides the glue.

[worstblogever]

Because he's caught up in the riot mentality. And he's not much better than Hellion as a character anyway.

By the time Match started blasting things, they were already in front of the cameras. By the time he started shit, Hellion was off in front of a camera and the Dark X-Men showed up. What's he going to do? Bitch Match out in the middle of battle or on television? If Hellion weren't such a glory hog and camera seeker, he could have acted like a leader, but once again a New X-Man fails at leading anyone. If anyone dies, it's his fault.

Sunspot wouldn't say a word to Match? This is the same guy who pimpslapped Karma when he felt she was out of line. He was the Lord Imperial of the Hellfire Club. Now he's someone else's accessory to incite a riot, burn palm trees, and turn over cars.

[peopleofpaper]

i still haven't got 512. i live in arizona wtf why do i get mine a week late? :evilangry:

[Azure]

Already did.

Than, um... yay for you?

[Hakael]

Because he's caught up in the riot mentality. And he's not much better than Hellion as a character anyway.

By the time Match started blasting things, they were already in front of the cameras. By the time he started shit, Hellion was off in front of a camera and the Dark X-Men showed up. What's he going to do? Bitch Match out in the middle of battle or on television? If Hellion weren't such a glory hog and camera seeker, he could have acted like a leader, but once again a New X-Man fails at leading anyone. If anyone dies, it's his fault.

I was under the impression that the cameras arrived after Match did his thing.

[darknessatnoon]

Sunspot wouldn't say a word to Match? This is the same guy who pimpslapped Karma when he felt she was out of line. He was the Lord Imperial of the Hellfire Club. Now he's someone else's accessory to incite a riot, burn palm trees, and turn over cars.

They were drinking beforehand. He also has a history of rage issues (after all, he nearly killed his best friend over a soccer game). I see nothing out of character here.

[Agent_Torpor]

I think you should read the issue before you offer your critiques on if Fraction wrote people in-character or not.

I've read it. Meh.

[Beast]

Sunspot wouldn't say a word to Match? This is the same guy who pimpslapped Karma when he felt she was out of line. He was the Lord Imperial of the Hellfire Club. Now he's someone else's accessory to incite a riot, burn palm trees, and turn over cars.
Maybe Johnny Dee is around somewhere, to explain all the people acting "oddly".

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/142520-99125-johnny-dee_large.jpg

Fraction did say that pretty much every still powered mutant would appear.

[FeminineMystique]

No one cares what you think.

By which you mean YOU don't care of course. And it's nice to see that you're as cheerful as ever.

I understand that for whatever reason you don't like me. But as I wasn't being anything but civil could you at least TRY to do the same?

Maybe Johnny Dee is around somewhere, to explain all the people acting "oddly".

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/142520-99125-johnny-dee_large.jpg

Fraction did say that pretty much every still powered mutant would appear.

That's a...unique mutant power. He's basically got tentacle rape for a chest, doesn't he?:biggrin:

[darknessatnoon]

I was under the impression that the cameras arrived after Match did his thing.

Nope. Cyclops is watching them on TV as they arrive. Hellion shouts out "the whole world is watching" and Match says "then let's light it up."

[Hakael]

By which you mean YOU don't care of course. And it's nice to see that you're as cheerful as ever.

I understand that for whatever reason you don't like me. But as I wasn't being anything but civil could you at least TRY to do the same?

dn@n doesn't like anyone, don't take it personally.

[Azure]

I've read it. Meh.

We disagree on everything apart from Peter Milligan :frown:

[AN0LE]

Maybe Johnny Dee is around somewhere, to explain all the people acting "oddly".

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/142520-99125-johnny-dee_large.jpg

Fraction did say that pretty much every still powered mutant would appear.

What did ever become of that dude after 198?

[NewMutant]

I don't like how all mutants are friends basically. Like Sunspot hanging out with Avalanche? Random.

Bring back Adam X is just wrong. No need to beat a dead horse or you might as well just bring back Maggot.

[Agent_Torpor]

We disagree on everything apart from Peter Milligan :frown:

We're like Paula Abdul and that cartoon cat.

We come together because opposites attract.

[FeminineMystique]

dn@n doesn't like anyone, don't take it personally.

That's the impression I've gotten

[worstblogever]

That's a...unique mutant power. He's basically got tentacle rape for a chest, doesn't he?:biggrin:

It makes Voodoo dolls that he controls people with, too!


I'm so not making that up.

[darknessatnoon]

By which you mean YOU don't care of course. And it's nice to see that you're as cheerful as ever.

I understand that for whatever reason you don't like me. But as I wasn't being anything but civil could you at least TRY to do the same?



Only when you stop with the fanfiction.

[Beast]

That's a...unique mutant power. He's basically got tentacle rape for a chest, doesn't he?:biggrin:
Oh.... if it was only so simple.

He can stick a gene sample in his squid chest, and it spits out an egg that contains an action figure of the person, who Johnny Dee can then mind control. And yes, I'm freakin' serious.

[Puunk]

Maybe Johnny Dee is around somewhere, to explain all the people acting "oddly".

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/142520-99125-johnny-dee_large.jpg

Fraction did say that pretty much every still powered mutant would appear.

Ohmg. Johnny D. appeared? :eek: Thanks for the post, Beast. :biggrin:

[Beast]

I don't like how all mutants are friends basically. Like Sunspot hanging out with Avalanche? Random.

Bring back Adam X is just wrong. No need to beat a dead horse or you might as well just bring back Maggot.
Maggott actually has fans though. Even Mike Carey likes him.

[Hi-Fi]

Because he's caught up in the riot mentality. And he's not much better than Hellion as a character anyway.

By the time Match started blasting things, they were already in front of the cameras. By the time he started shit, Hellion was off in front of a camera and the Dark X-Men showed up. What's he going to do? Bitch Match out in the middle of battle or on television? If Hellion weren't such a glory hog and camera seeker, he could have acted like a leader, but once again a New X-Man fails at leading anyone. If anyone dies, it's his fault.
Just stop. There's no excuse for Sunspot to be there. It was moronic and reverted the character to his teen days, without even a reason given. "Oh, he's such a hot head!" won't fly this time.

Other than that, pretty enjoyable issue. I wish Mystique would scratch Emma's eyes out, though.

[worstblogever]

Ohmg. Johnny D. appeared? :eek: Thanks for the post, Beast. :biggrin:

No, he didn't. Beast was just trying to make sense of everyone acting so odd. Had I seen tentacle chest guy, I'd have mentioned it.

Especially since he's supposed to be in jail, somewhere.

[RoguishGurl]

I enjoyed the issue and I am excited for the crossover.

[Faded]

WTH?

Adam X????

[Beast]

Ohmg. Johnny D. appeared? :eek: Thanks for the post, Beast. :biggrin:
I wouldn't be surprised if he does. Seems like someone Fraction would like.

[coveredinbees]

Oh.... if it was only so simple.

He can stick a gene sample in his squid chest, and it spits out an egg that contains an action figure of the person, who Johnny Dee can then mind control. And yes, I'm freakin' serious.
I feel ridiculous for loving that power.

[Beast]

No, he didn't. Beast was just trying to make sense of everyone acting so odd. Had I seen tentacle chest guy, I'd have mentioned it.

Especially since he's supposed to be in jail, somewhere.
He's probably in the cell next to Hank and Xavier's.

So Fraction can write a hilarious Spaceballs scene where they catch him playing with his dolls again.

[Hakael]

Nope. Cyclops is watching them on TV as they arrive. Hellion shouts out "the whole world is watching" and Match says "then let's light it up."

under the pretense of the cameras being there the whole time, your explanation earlier makes a modicum of sense. still, nobody looked surprised. I can't believe I'm saying this, but thanks for clarifying that a bit dn@n.

[AN0LE]

So Fraction can write a hilarious Spaceballs scene where they catch him playing with his dolls again.

AMAZING! :biggrin:

[darknessatnoon]

Just stop. There's no excuse for Sunspot to be there. It was moronic and reverted the character to his teen days, without even a reason given. "Oh, he's such a hot head!" won't fly this time.



Has anyone ever noticed this character since his teen days? Get over the negative Brazilian representation, Hi-Fi.

[worstblogever]

He's probably in the cell next to Hank and Xavier's.

So Fraction can write a hilarious Spaceballs scene where they catch him playing with his dolls again.

I'll never look at Johnny Dee again without seeing this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMxTFqPET5I). Thanks, man.

[Puunk]

No, he didn't. Beast was just trying to make sense of everyone acting so odd. Had I seen tentacle chest guy, I'd have mentioned it.

Especially since he's supposed to be in jail, somewhere.
I wouldn't be surprised if he does. Seems like someone Fraction would like.

Ah, that's cool still.

So, where there any new cameos? I was really surprised that Nekra appeared last issue, even for a page.

[worstblogever]

Ah, that's cool still.

So, where there any new cameos? I was really surprised that Nekra appeared last issue, even for a page.

Other than Avalanche and Meld (confirmed this time by Fraption), as well as the Dark X-Men, no new cameos. Everyone was in part one, otherwise.

[The Lucky One]

and then, he goes and does it. along with sunspot, who fraction's word box said: "knows better."

That's what struck me as odd. The caption box made me think Bobby was there in an effort to mediate or help cooler heads prevail, or else undercover to try to keep them from doing anything stupid. And maybe he is, we haven't gotten the full story yet... but at least at the end, he certainly seems to be participating in the totally non-violent arson.

I know Bobby's a hothead, but since he calmed Adam X down, I was hoping they were going to show him being mature. Much as I love the New Mutants, maybe they should just stick to their own book.

-D

[Hi-Fi]

Has anyone ever noticed this character since his teen days? Get over the negative Brazilian representation, Hi-Fi.
LOL. Great argument! Guess you couldn't find a real one to explain the bad characterization.

I could buy it if he was there to keep tempers under control. But the last pages go against that. He's just an agitator like the others.

By the way, Mercury was good in this. I wanna see Emma trying to win the kids' trust back after all this.

[Dave13]

Ido love hating and it seems this issue gives me alot to hate like th usaul suspects Emma and Hellion

I'm in Eden

[Hi-Fi]

That's what struck me as odd. The caption box made me think Bobby was there in an effort to mediate or help cooler heads prevail, or else undercover to try to keep them from doing anything stupid. And maybe he is, we haven't gotten the full story yet... but at least at the end, he certainly seems to be participating in the totally non-violent arson.

I know Bobby's a hothead, but since he calmed Adam X down, I was hoping they were going to show him being mature. Much as I love the New Mutants, maybe they should just stick to their own book.

-D
Exactly. The caption box made me think he was there to keep things under control. But at the end, he seems to be loving the protest.

[darknessatnoon]

LOL. Great argument! Guess you couldn't find a real one to explain the bad characterization.

I could buy it if he was there to keep tempers under control. But the last pages go against that. He's just an agitator like the others.


There's no need to explain it. He was shown at the bar calming people down. Then rage gets the better of him. Be grateful no one has killed Loa yet and call it a day.

[Faded]

I'm appalled at the choices Fraction made for the "renegade mutants." Adam-X, Lorelei the slut, and Z-Lister Meld? He could've at least used Mindmeld, the interesting transgendered character. Or... Thumbelina.... *weeps*

LOL

I do not know how I can ever accept M-Day if they continue to choose characters like Adam X to fill up the 200.

Because its always cooler when they are an alien and a mutant.

[Hi-Fi]

There's no need to explain it. He was shown at the bar calming people down. Then rage gets the better of him. Be grateful no one has killed Loa yet and call it a day.
LOL. You're such a troll. Loa had a line in this. She's moving up.

[Puunk]

Other than Avalanche and Meld (confirmed this time by Fraption), as well as the Dark X-Men, no new cameos. Everyone was in part one, otherwise.

Well, Avalanche was in it. That's something, I guess. xl

Loa had a line in this.

She did? I'm betting it was something along the lines of ... "What are we going to do?" xl

[yanapryde]

I take issue with your review WBE.

Really? Someone's going to complain that Adam X is out of character?! Does anyone even remember that character?

And why is Emma going to confront Dark Beast in front of Norman?

Cyclops had his team sitting around because he thought Emma had a card to play. She didn't.

Your review is invalidated.

I totally agree with this.
I'm as shocked as you are. If not more.

[pharoahe22]

So I guess I was the only one who was excited to see Adam X lol. I kept waiting for him to cut someone and do his catch phrase "BURN!!!" haha

[Hi-Fi]

She did? I'm betting it was something along the lines of ... "What are we going to do?" xl
LOL. No comment.

[timbox]

Hellion was written well. So was Loa, her comment matched her previous in-continuity comment of, "Drama."

Everyone else was wrong.

[Karl H]

Hellion was written well. So was Loa, her comment matched her previous in-continuity comment of, "Drama."

Everyone else was wrong.

The characterisation of Loa sounded spot on. It will be interesting to see where Fraction is taking the character.

scans?

[Puunk]

The characterisation of Loa sounded spot on. It will be interesting to see where Fraction is taking the character.

scans?

Fraction will do nothing.

Carey will give her shine. :biggrin:

[XaviersMisprint]

I only read the first page of this thread so I don't know if anyone brought it up... but keep in mind that they had all been drinking, which might have been a source of the violent outburst. Pretty weak, sure. I have never even heard of Meld before, and I rarely have trouble remembering even the most obscure mutants. He must suck very, very badly.

There were certainly flaws with this issue, no doubt. I loved Dodson's Loa, and the Dark X-Men look pretty slick. I like Cloak's hair, and Mimic is pretty badass.

Mystique is around which is a plus. I liked seeing Lorelei, and Avalanche finally did something. I think I want to punch Match in the face, badly, regardless of the burns I would get. I imagine he impulsively started a fire and Hellion didn't want to look disorganized and stupid on camera, so he acted like he was a part of the hysteria to make the group seem like they had an agenda and were in synch. That is likely the case with all of the others as well.

I did not, however, like how Dark Beast was drawn. He looked too similar to current cat Beast, and he was the same fur color as 616 Beast, which is very, very confusing. That needs to be adjusted.

My hopes for this story are that Emma is playing Osborn and the whole time is just acting around Dark Beast. Hopefully by the end, Emma reveals her agenda and assassinates Dark Beast with some clever catchphrase attached, like "Payback is a bitch, and I am really horny!" Or something typical for Emma to say under Fraction's pen.

[Puunk]

I only read the first page of this thread so I don't know if anyone brought it up... but keep in mind that they had all been drinking, which might have been a source of the violent outburst. Pretty weak, sure. I have never even heard of Meld before, and I rarely have trouble remembering even the most obscure mutants. He must suck very, very badly.

There were certainly flaws with this issue, no doubt. I loved Dodson's Loa, and the Dark X-Men look pretty slick. I like Cloak's hair, and Mimic is pretty badass.

Mystique is around which is a plus. I liked seeing Lorelei, and Avalanche finally did something. I think I want to punch Match in the face, badly, regardless of the burns I would get. I imagine he impulsively started a fire and Hellion didn't want to look disorganized and stupid on camera, so he acted like he was a part of the hysteria to make the group seem like they had an agenda and were in synch. That is likely the case with all of the others as well.

I did not, however, like how Dark Beast was drawn. He looked too similar to current cat Beast, and he was the same fur color as 616 Beast, which is very, very confusing. That needs to be adjusted.

My hopes for this story are that Emma is playing Osborn and the whole time is just acting around Dark Beast. Hopefully by the end, Emma reveals her agenda and assassinates Dark Beast with some clever catchphrase attached, like "Payback is a bitch, and I am really horny!" Or something typical for Emma to say under Fraction's pen.

Great reasoning. :biggrin:

What did Mystique do?

[lockerogue]

i just think fraction took a nap between pages and forgot what he wrote.

This most likely happened.

[Novaya Havoc]

I enjoyed the Cameo Queen doing what she does best!!1

[XaviersMisprint]

Great reasoning. :biggrin:

What did Mystique do?

For a Dodson issue, she actually just kind of stood around Land-posing for a full page.

[FeminineMystique]

Oh.... if it was only so simple.

He can stick a gene sample in his squid chest, and it spits out an egg that contains an action figure of the person, who Johnny Dee can then mind control. And yes, I'm freakin' serious.

That's the most nonsensical mutant power I've ever heard of:eek:

Only when you stop with the fanfiction.

No. I enjoy doing it and others enjoy it. If you don't find it funny that's cool. Just don't read it. It's only one post, skip it. Or if you really dislike reading what I post that much just put me on ignore. :biggrin:

[worstblogever]

To anyone who blamesHellion and Match's behavior on drunkenness...

Remind me how old they are again?


Gene Pool Bar is gonna lose its liquor license.



Even if they have a four-armed bartender with a ponytail who's a poor man's Forearm (who's supposed to be depowered).

[CmX]

I really liked this issue. I wasn't bored reading about Emma for once probably because her leading a team of Dark X-Men is an interesting direction. I wonder if any of them will die with her leading.

My question is what is Simon Trask's powers exactly? Is he a mutant? I'm not familar with him, for some reason I keep mistaking him for Donald Pierce who has been popping up more places than Wolverine lately for some reason.

This continues into Dark Avengers next, which we didn't see at all this issue except in the fight scenes. I'm guessing they arrive on the scene next issue and clash with the Dark X-Men ?

[XaviersMisprint]

To anyone who blamesHellion and Match's behavior on drunkenness...

Remind me how old they are again?


Gene Pool Bar is gonna lose its liquor license.

Its Avalanche's bar that he owns. I would imagine that he is treating the boys like equals, like "brothers" because they are all in it together. At times like that, I doubt their biggest concern is underage drinking.

[CmX]

To anyone who blamesHellion and Match's behavior on drunkenness...

Remind me how old they are again?


Gene Pool Bar is gonna lose its liquor license.



Even if they have a four-armed bartender with a ponytail who's a poor man's Forearm (who's supposed to be depowered).

That's not as far fetched as you could imagine. I used to under age drink all the time at bars when I was a teenager. It's easier to get away with especially if they're in a situation where the police have a lot of bigger things to deal with that night. Avalanche owns the bar as well.

Who was that tranny looking four armed dude that served them?

[Push You Down]

Last time we saw Avalache he looked ten years younger and was running a dive bar in the desert(?) and got roughed up by the X-men. I believe the piece even ends with a derisive "F***ing X-men." as he looks around his trashed home.

I doubt he would really have been hanging out with X-men.

[XaviersMisprint]

That's not as far fetched as you could imagine. I used to under age drink all the time at bars when I was a teenager. It's easier to get away with especially if they're in a situation where the police have a lot of bigger things to deal with that night. Avalanche owns the bar as well.

Who was that tranny looking four armed dude that served them?

I was hoping it was Forearm from the MLF, but it looked like Sebastian Shaw with starving arms growing from his back. Apparently there are many many unnamed mutants out there still... but somehow less than 200.

At least 20 or so of the 198 have died since the Decimation, but we keep seeing mutants that were not listed as powered pop up with powers. What did the Decimation do except ruin Jubilee, Blob, Angel, Beak, Chamber, Wind Dancer, Prodigy, Rictor and Moonstar? Who else lost their powers? Apparently no one.

[CmX]

He wasn't hanging out with the X-Men. Wolverine trashed his bar IIRC, the only mutants there that would be considered "X-Men" would be Sunspot, Match and Hellion. But they're hardly X-Men IMO.

[worstblogever]

He wasn't hanging out with the X-Men. Wolverine trashed his bar IIRC, the only mutants there that would be considered "X-Men" would be Sunspot, Match and Hellion. But they're hardly X-Men IMO.

So then the question becomes... was Avalanche trying to get Match drunk to have his way with him, like he had so many years ago with Pyro? Not quite the "old flame", but it'd do in a pinch?

[frog]

So then the question becomes... was Avalanche trying to get Match drunk to have his way with him, like he had so many years ago with Pyro? Not quite the "old flame", but it'd do in a pinch?

Your puns, they burn.

[XaviersMisprint]

So then the question becomes... was Avalanche trying to get Match drunk to have his way with him, like he had so many years ago with Pyro? Not quite the "old flame", but it'd do in a pinch?

OUCH that doesn't sound like it'd be too HOT.

[DeadXMan]

Noman put something in Ms. Reven's body in order to control her?

Liked no one ever tried that one before.:rolleyes:

[Puunk]

Who was that tranny looking four armed dude that served them?

Huh? Huh?
o_o

[NewMutant]

Maggott actually has fans though. Even Mike Carey likes him.

True. So does Adam X. But they are not large ones. And for someone like Adam X to just appear and be with people is strange. He was off and his own and doesn't really haven any connection to any of these people, or most X-Character s for that matter.

Thats an issue I have with Fractions no team-cast. Any mutant is an X-Man. And all mutants are friends. Since when would that happen. The lines might be blurred at times but still. People give Emma shit for being a former villian yet they just go and hang with Avalanche. Or Toad. Or Frenzy or whatever.

Well, Avalanche was in it. That's something, I guess. xl


She did? I'm betting it was something along the lines of ... "What are we going to do?" xl

I think it was her mumbling... "And did you guys break up?" to Cyclops after Emma was on TV.

I really liked this issue. I wasn't bored reading about Emma for once probably because her leading a team of Dark X-Men is an interesting direction. I wonder if any of them will die with her leading.

My question is what is Simon Trask's powers exactly? Is he a mutant? I'm not familar with him, for some reason I keep mistaking him for Donald Pierce who has been popping up more places than Wolverine lately for some reason.

This continues into Dark Avengers next, which we didn't see at all this issue except in the fight scenes. I'm guessing they arrive on the scene next issue and clash with the Dark X-Men ?

I certainly hope not. That has been played to death. If anyone dies right now Match seems to be the lead canidate. Again, if anyone does.

[CmX]

So then the question becomes... was Avalanche trying to get Match drunk to have his way with him, like he had so many years ago with Pyro? Not quite the "old flame", but it'd do in a pinch?

LMAO! Yes! You figured it all out. That actually makes sense.

[Hi-Fi]

I am really curious to read Jason Aaron's Mystique story in Dark X-Men: The Beginning, to see how the hell Norman got her.

[worstblogever]

Huh? Huh?
o_o

Four armed dude who looked like Sebastian Shaw with a ponytail. Serving drinks at the bar. No lines, no Fraptions. Just some four-armed mutant bartender.

Forearm the mutant was depowered, and I doubt Barbarus is delievering cosmopolitans in the Savage Land, let alone San Fran.

So who is our latest 4-armed wonder?

[The Lucky One]

This continues into Dark Avengers next, which we didn't see at all this issue except in the fight scenes. I'm guessing they arrive on the scene next issue and clash with the Dark X-Men ?

That's what the cover would indicate, which is weird because in theory they're on the same (evil) side. If anything you'd expect the Dark X-Men to clash with the semi-dark San Fran X-Men.

I can certainly believe that Emma and/or Namor are playing Osborn and eventually the two teams will rumble, but I wouldn't have expected it so early in the story.

-D

[The Lucky One]

He wasn't hanging out with the X-Men. Wolverine trashed his bar IIRC, the only mutants there that would be considered "X-Men" would be Sunspot, Match and Hellion. But they're hardly X-Men IMO.

Well, Sunspot is, but not the others. And Bobby's not exactly a high profile X-Man.

Noman put something in Ms. Reven's body in order to control her?

Liked no one ever tried that one before.:rolleyes:

Maybe I'm confusing her with Sylar, but doesn't Mystique have complete control over every molecule in her body or somesuch? In which case she'd just be able to force the nanites or whatever they are out through her pores at any time. Which, who knows, maybe she already has, but I hope the answer's not as easy as that.

-D

[AcesX1X]

I am really curious to read Jason Aaron's Mystique story in Dark X-Men: The Beginning, to see how the hell Norman got her.

she's a woman, hi-fi, not some pokemon creature!

[CmX]

That's what the cover would indicate, which is weird because in theory they're on the same (evil) side. If anything you'd expect the Dark X-Men to clash with the semi-dark San Fran X-Men.

I can certainly believe that Emma and/or Namor are playing Osborn and eventually the two teams will rumble, but I wouldn't have expected it so early in the story.

-D

Well the Dark Avengers seem to have a more aggressive and dominate presence than the real Avengers. Maybe the idea of Norman's Dark X-Men doesn't sit well with them.

I can imagine the two teams trying to 1-up each other until they just clash.

[FeminineMystique]

she's a woman, hi-fi, not some pokemon creature!

Mystique, I choose you! Use back stab attack!

Norman; ARGHHH!

Mystique uses Back stab! It's super effective!

:biggrin:

[Hi-Fi]

Even though the story continues in Dark Avengers #7, do not miss this tie-in next week!!

X-MEN: LEGACY # 226
UTOPIA TIE-IN
Rogue, Gambit and Danger go to join the X-Men in San Francisco, only to find it in flames. The Dark Avengers have come into town and are taking no prisoners. Wait, the whole problem is that they ARE taking prisoners. Norman Osborn has the city of San Francisco in the palm of his hands and mutants are being forced to take sides. Will they side with Cyclops and the X-Men? Or go to Osborn and his Dark X-Men? What side will the returning mutants and one of the X-Men’s most powerful foes take? Part 1 (of 2).

It's gonna be magical.

[CmX]

I was looking for Legacy today! I'm glad it was delayed and I just didn't miss it. Sweet so we get that next week and then Dark Avengers the week after! :o

Thanks for the heads up Vic! ♥

[CmX]

Mystique, I choose you! Use back stab attack!

Norman; ARGHHH!

Mystique uses Back stab! It's super effective!

:biggrin:

LMAO!

Mystique! Use crazy super mega momma seductive tackle!

[Omega Alpha]

I certainly hope not. That has been played to death.

If hasn't, because this time Emma wants them to die. Why would she care about Dark Beast or Mystique dying? Most likely, that's the plan.

[Hi-Fi]

I was looking for Legacy today! I'm glad it was delayed and I just didn't miss it. Sweet so we get that next week and then Dark Avengers the week after! :o

Thanks for the heads up Vic! ♥
And Dark X-Men: The Beginning #1 next week as well, I think!

[AcesX1X]

emma hates dark beast more than she hates jean grey, so i can see her wanting him dead.

[worstblogever]

emma hates dark beast more than she hates jean grey, so i can see her wanting him dead.

She can get a blue fur coat, without killing the regular Beast (that'd piss off Scott, I think).

It's like having her cake, and eating it, too.

[Agent_Torpor]

emma hates dark beast more than she hates jean grey, so i can see her wanting him dead.

Dark Beast never soiled Emma/Scott's lovebed with his dirty haunches, nor did he ever wake them up in a passive/aggressive attempt to scold them for their "secrets".

Original Recipe Beast should have been euthanised right there.

[NewMutant]

If hasn't, because this time Emma wants them to die. Why would she care about Dark Beast or Mystique dying? Most likely, that's the plan.

If its played that why sure. But Synch wasn't her fault. Nor was the class of Genosha. I just get sick of that angle.

[AcesX1X]

Dark Beast never soiled Emma/Scott's lovebed with his dirty haunches, nor did he ever wake them up in a passive/aggressive attempt to scold them for their "secrets".


i'm more than sure that's why she's leaving him in that prison to begin with.

[frog]

Dark Beast never soiled Emma/Scott's lovebed with his dirty haunches, nor did he ever wake them up in a passive/aggressive attempt to scold them for their "secrets".

Original Recipe Beast should have been euthanised right there.

Dark Beast didn't put Emma back together again.

Plus he was humiliated by Ma Guthrie. He'll probably cry when he comes face to face with Husk or Cannonball.

[lockerogue]

Dark Beast didn't put Emma back together again.

Plus he was humiliated by Ma Guthrie. He'll probably cry when he comes face to face with Husk or Cannonball.

Ma Guthrie is badass. She has like 15 kids and knows how to work a shot gun. DON'T MESS.

[frog]

Ma Guthrie is badass. She has like 15 kids and knows how to work a shot gun. DON'T MESS.


Then why the hell hasn't she shot Angel by now?

[DeadXMan]

I'll doubt it. He'll ask how his little Gennie pig is doing.

[lockerogue]

Then why the hell hasn't she shot Angel by now?

Because he is beautiful and rich, frog.

[DeadXMan]

Then why the hell hasn't she shot Angel by now?

Why do you think Warren been volunteering for time travel?

[frog]

Because he is beautiful and rich, frog.

Then she isn't bad ass. Bad asses are unmoved by glitter!

[worstblogever]

Then she isn't bad ass. Bad asses are unmoved by glitter!

Ma Guthrie and Squirrel Girl would be the most epic team-up in Marvel History. You just made me realize that.

[frog]

Ma Guthrie and Squirrel Girl would be the most epic team-up in Marvel History. You just made me realize that.

I suspect the squirrel wouldn't go for the shot gun.

[worstblogever]

I suspect the squirrel wouldn't go for the shot gun.

Tippy Toe? Yeah, probably not. Too much recoil.

[chickrockguitar]

Anyone got Hellion and Loa scans? :biggrin:

[Quinnhop]

I totally Byrne-stole this bitch.

It wasn't bad. Utopia + 513 = renewed faith? Not quite, but...I'm getting there.

Damn it.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Well, Match just screwed up big time.

I liked the way Hellion was written. He's always a joy to read. Plus, Emma vs Hellion.

I thought Avalanche's presence was a bit odd, but it beats him just making buildings fall over for no reason again.

[Superbeast]

They better not kill Adam X off. I might be the only man alive who still gives a crap about the guy but they better have not just brought him back to kill him off in this crossover.

[CmX]

Adam X is gross. The long blond hair and the baseball cap and the name Adam X? Really? He's up there with Maggott and Ink.

[X-Man#4]

Has Wolverine arrived from his stint with the NA to aid Cyke and the x-men yet?? I'll be sorely disappointed if he doesn't mix it up against the DA heavyweights!

And can somone explain to me why Osborn doesn't send Sentry in starting from Jump street?? hasn't osborn heard that (paraphrased) maxim, "he who strikes first, if he strikes hard enough, may not have to strike again"? Is he waiting to send Sentry in once things have gotten out of control?:confused: perhaps I'm missing the logic.

[Slung]

LOL. You're such a troll. Loa had a line in this. She's moving up.

Yes, dn@n may be a troll, but he is our troll, you know?

[worstblogever]

I did like how Lorelei Travis' own personal Fraption said, "dancer". With the quotes because, you know, she worked in Mutant Town's titty bar.

It was a rare moment of subtlety.

[Quinnhop]

I did like how Lorelei Travis' own personal Fraption said, "dancer". With the quotes because, you know, she worked in Mutant Town's titty bar.

It was a rare moment of subtlety.

But it was blatant subtlety. The same as "Proposition X".

The quotes were too self-aware for it to be truly subtle.

(I will not let Fraction be praised. Even for the few things he gets right.)

>:O

[FeminineMystique]

LMAO!

Mystique! Use crazy super mega momma seductive tackle!

Gambit attempts flimsy refusal!

UH OH! It has no effect!

:biggrin:

[worstblogever]

But it was blatant subtlety. The same as "Proposition X".

The quotes were too self-aware for it to be truly subtle.

(I will not let Fraction be praised. Even for the few things he gets right.)

>:O

Fine. He should've had a Fraption that said:

Lorelei Travis. Prehensile Hair. Champagne Room Legend.

[Optic Rage!]

Are people really moaning about the Adam X thing? REALLY?

[TheOnlyXTremeFan]

Adam X in this month's Uncanny X-Men?

...........

Ahem.







YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

[worstblogever]

Are people really moaning about the Adam X thing? REALLY?

A Summers Brother, especially one of royal blood, deserves better.

[The Lucky One]

And can somone explain to me why Osborn doesn't send Sentry in starting from Jump street?? hasn't osborn heard that (paraphrased) maxim, "he who strikes first, if he strikes hard enough, may not have to strike again"? Is he waiting to send Sentry in once things have gotten out of control?:confused: perhaps I'm missing the logic.

I think it's more likely he's heard the lesser-known follow-up maxim, "He who strikes with a f%*$ing crazy lunatic with the power of Pre-Crisis Superman may quickly find himself with a destroyed city and his own ass out of public favor."

Bob's like an A-bomb with a 20% chance of detonating on your own soil while transporting it. You don't send him into border skirmishes, you use him as a last resort when you're losing the war, and just pray you've made the right decision. Even Osborn's sane enough to realize that.

-D

[Prodigy55]

Match scans????

[Agent_Torpor]

Match scans????

No. We need to break you off, cold turkey. it's for the best.

[Azure]

Four armed dude who looked like Sebastian Shaw with a ponytail. Serving drinks at the bar. No lines, no Fraptions. Just some four-armed mutant bartender.

Forearm the mutant was depowered, and I doubt Barbarus is delievering cosmopolitans in the Savage Land, let alone San Fran.

So who is our latest 4-armed wonder?

His arms wouldn't have just... dropped off, once M-Day hit.
Marrow kept her weird pointy bone structure, I don't see a reason why it couldn't be Forearm.
Y'know... if it looked like Forearm.
I don't know who Forearm is.

[worstblogever]

His arms wouldn't have just... dropped off, once M-Day hit.
Marrow kept her weird pointy bone structure, I don't see a reason why it couldn't be Forearm.
Y'know... if it looked like Forearm.
I don't know who Forearm is.

This guy.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/229/85856-193059-forearm_large.jpg

Wasn't him, though. He got depowered, Shame, too. He actually was a member of the MLF who fell in love with Dani Moonstar while she infiltrated the group, undercover, as an agent of SHIELD. Then he got killed during the Bloodsport Tournament in Wolverine, but came back from the dead to end up confirmed depowered in New Avengers #18, apparently.

Editorial hiccups abound with him, already, so who knows who this four armed dude in #513 is?

[Azure]

This guy.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/229/85856-193059-forearm_large.jpg

Wasn't him, though. He got depowered, Shame, too. He actually was a member of the MLF who fell in love with Dani Moonstar while she infiltrated the group, undercover, as an agent of SHIELD. Then he got killed during the Bloodsport Tournament in Wolverine, but came back from the dead to end up confirmed depowered in New Avengers #18, apparently.

Editorial hiccups abound with him, already, so who knows who this four armed dude in #513 is?

But if he was depowered, how would that even affect him? His arms aren't about to drop off, and all the other depowered mutants kept their physical mutations.
So it could have been him, no?

[FeminineMystique]

This guy.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/229/85856-193059-forearm_large.jpg

Wasn't him, though. He got depowered, Shame, too. He actually was a member of the MLF who fell in love with Dani Moonstar while she infiltrated the group, undercover, as an agent of SHIELD. Then he got killed during the Bloodsport Tournament in Wolverine, but came back from the dead to end up confirmed depowered in New Avengers #18, apparently.

Editorial hiccups abound with him, already, so who knows who this four armed dude in #513 is?

Is it just me or does he look like the guy from Mortal Kombat?

Maybe he should team up with "Barakapool" from Wolverine: Origins? :biggrin:

[Alphaxman]

Likes: Cyclops for once, he didn’t come off like a total prick this issue. Seeing Bobby, Dark Beast, and most of the Dark X-Men even if I don’t like the way they were written. Clock sound about right but Dagger was off.

Dislikes: I glad that the X-kids are having a say in this storyline, but what about the adults? Kurt, Betsy, nor Allison said a thing when they were watching TV. I know that’s a small thing but I’m reading X-Men so the X-Men should have a big role in this and not just be wallpaper.

That whole bar scene was a totally WTF moment. I really don’t see Sunspot sitting with those guys venting and drinking. I didn’t mind see Adam-X again because I never hated the guy.

I HATE Clocks new look, especially the hair. Where does he get it relaxed when he lives on the streets? If Dodson wanted to put an X on Tandy’s outfit he could have gave her an X medallion to replace her old gold on.

Even though I have more dislikes than likes I still think this Fraction best effort. I think he would be better just to write Dark X-Men instead of the main team.

7 out of 10

[worstblogever]

But if he was depowered, how would that even affect him? His arms aren't about to drop off, and all the other depowered mutants kept their physical mutations.
So it could have been him, no?

Maybe. Some people kept their physical mutations, like Marrow, others lost them, like Stacy X (eventually, by the time she got to New Warriors). It was a whole can of worms. I mean, Hydro lost his gills while underwater, and drowned. It was a total crapshoot.

[Prodigy55]

No. We need to break you off, cold turkey. it's for the best.

I'm shakin in my boots here!!!

[Agent_Torpor]

I'm shakin in my boots here!!!

It's for the best. Now when Canadian retailers awaken from their midweek slumber tomorrow, make sure you buy "GREEK STREET".

[Prodigy55]

It's for the best. Now when Canadian retailers awaken from their midweek slumber tomorrow, make sure you buy "GREEK STREET".

Is this some indie comic nonsense?

[Agent_Torpor]

Is this some indie comic nonsense?

It's MILLIGANMANIA.

[Prodigy55]

I'll need you to sell it to me.

[RunningWithJuanPablo]

Colossus pwned deformed Venomz. :biggrin:

Any idea what the Omega machine does?

[Agent_Torpor]

I'll need you to sell it to me.

Here's the only sales pitch you'll need: PETER MILLIGAN: Script.

[SayOcean]

Here's the only sales pitch you'll need: PETER MILLIGAN: Script.There's whores in it to

and why is Sunspot hanging out with a bunch of highschoolers, he doesnt seem like the type to hang out with people he would more than likely consider not worth talking to

[CmX]

Colossus pwned deformed Venomz. :biggrin:

Any idea what the Omega machine does?

From what we got from it, it depowers mutants and gives them to the Collective.

[Samuraixsithlord]

From what we got from it, it depowers mutants and gives them to the Collective.

Is Emma aware of that this is going on?

[XaviersMisprint]

It could easily be Forearm. The two arms towards the back look a LOT smaller and shriveled up than his two bigger, normal arms. It is possible that he lost the X-Gene which granted him super strength and the use of his extra limbs. However, maybe now he just has extra, useless arms hanging from him. He looked pretty pissed off, I would be too if I had two extra limbs that had no real use except for "decoration". I hope it is Forearm.

[digitalways]

I loathe Terry Dodson's art to no degree, so the fact that the story was weak made this issue a double disappointment. The one shot was so well crafted and I was really looking forward to this issue, so I felt pretty let down when I finished. The art totally betrayed the tone set by the opening chapter, which was pretty dramatic. The glaringly obvious disconnect between tone of art vs. tone of story vs. dialogue was just as bad as the awful junk that was masquerading as the X-books in the late 90's. I really don't get why anyone thinks this guy can draw. I can put up with Fraction's writing style normally, but the dialogue was mortifying (more than usual) and the mis-use of characters plus plot holes equals embarrassing. I am almost embarrassed FOR Fraction and Dodson. I'll keep reading but I will cringe every time I have to pick up a Dodson drawn issue of this arc.

[ilikeyourshoes]

Can someone post scans of Adam X lmfao

[Puunk]

I loathe Terry Dodson's art to no degree, so the fact that the story was weak made this issue a double disappointment. The one shot was so well crafted and I was really looking forward to this issue, so I felt pretty let down when I finished. The art totally betrayed the tone set by the opening chapter, which was pretty dramatic. The glaringly obvious disconnect between tone of art vs. tone of story vs. dialogue was just as bad as the awful junk that was masquerading as the X-books in the late 90's. I really don't get why anyone thinks this guy can draw. I can put up with Fraction's writing style normally, but the dialogue was mortifying (more than usual) and the mis-use of characters plus plot holes equals embarrassing. I am almost embarrassed FOR Fraction and Dodson. I'll keep reading but I will cringe every time I have to pick up a Dodson drawn issue of this arc.

:O

Really? I've heard people feel "meh" about Dodson, but your the first that's actually loathed the art to an intense degree.

Was the art really bad this issue? I get mine tomorrow.

[digitalways]

:O

Really? I've heard people feel "meh" about Dodson, but your the first that's actually loathed the art to an intense degree.

Was the art really bad this issue? I get mine tomorrow.

I think the thing that really gets me about the way he draws is how everyone looks like they've been laminated.

[CmX]

Is Emma aware of that this is going on?

Yes. Emma is aware of everything and everyone. She's a professional.

[CmX]

I think the thing that really gets me about the way he draws is how everyone looks like they've been laminated.

I love Dodson's art, but a lot of this issue felt so rushed or not much effort. WTF was up wit his Venom? It was horrible, he looked like some deformed giant beast dog. I a lot of times he draws people's hands in weird positions or they look like clay.

He's good when he puts his heart into it.

[digitalways]

I love Dodson's art, but a lot of this issue felt so rushed or not much effort. WTF was up wit his Venom? It was horrible, he looked like some deformed giant beast dog. I a lot of times he draws people's hands in weird positions or they look like clay.

He's good when he puts his heart into it.

Maybe you're right, he has had a few moments here and there, I'll concede a little that the more detail oriented panels felt better, but holy mother. His Iceman looked little more than a puff of gas and, yeah, the Venom.. wow.

[rwsmith]

Better or worse than Messiah War, so far?

Well, if anything of any consequence whatsoever happens as a result of this crossover, it will be better than Messiah War. At least IMO. So far, much like MW, the prologue showed a lot of promise and the second issue seems pretty solid. We'll see where it goes from here...

[Anna]

For that matter, how did Sunspot go from being a team leader in Young X-Men to letting Hellion tell him where they're gonna go and riot?

hellion was never in those idiot young x-men, and he would slap sunspot like sunspot slaps karma if he ever tried to tell him what to do.

Sunspot wouldn't say a word to Match? This is the same guy who pimpslapped Karma when he felt she was out of line. He was the Lord Imperial of the Hellfire Club. Now he's someone else's accessory to incite a riot, burn palm trees, and turn over cars. A couple of things are standing out in my memory such as:

Didn't Roberto help Sam put Hellion in his place during the X-Men Holiday Special? Something about the New Mutant tradition of smacking Hellions around?

And

Wasn't Match one of the kids that Roberto was ready to fight when they were yelling at Illyana?

Maggott actually has fans though. Even Mike Carey likes him.
Why?
He wasn't hanging out with the X-Men. Wolverine trashed his bar IIRC, the only mutants there that would be considered "X-Men" would be Sunspot, Match and Hellion. But they're hardly X-Men IMO. Maybe Avalanche likes the idea of X-Kids rebelling against their leaders?

[Puunk]

I love Dodson's art, but a lot of this issue felt so rushed or not much effort. WTF was up wit his Venom? It was horrible, he looked like some deformed giant beast dog. I a lot of times he draws people's hands in weird positions or they look like clay.

He's good when he puts his heart into it.

That's the 2/3 time I've heard a complaint about the Venom. o_o

I have to look at this tomorrow.

[Novaya Havoc]

CAMEO QUEEN ACTION!

Cameo Queen Sisters Dazzler and Psylocke in sizzling action!
(note Pixie being fail and trying to fit her ugly mug into this shot)
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/cameo_queen1.png

Dazzler stands in a very ladylike and demure way while watching acts of TERROR on a big screen!
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/cameo_queen2.png

[CmX]

CAMEO QUEEN ACTION!

Cameo Queen Sisters Dazzler and Psylocke in sizzling action!
(note Pixie being fail and trying to fit her ugly mug into this shot)
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/cameo_queen1.png

Dazzler stands in a very ladylike and demure way while watching acts of TERROR on a big screen!
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/cameo_queen2.png

LMAO! Cameo Queen Sisters! I love it! You should start a thread updating us all on the panels they appear in monthly!

[Alphaxman]

Dodson art is fine to me. My issue is that he makes all his women curvy. I’m all for healthy curvy women but not all of them needs to be that way. Dagger’s breast shouldn’t be as big as Emma’s. Plus I found it a shame that the reporter looks more Asian than Surge on the same page. Normally he does a great job of making Asians look Asian and Blacks look Black and not leave it up to the colorist to decide. When he was on Gen-X Jubilee, Monet, Paige, and Emma all had different faces. Now if all the blondes were naked, it would be impossible to tell them apart.

But hey, not every artist is George Perez. I still think it’s head and shoulders above Lands-Trace-A-Lot.

Oh and I think that is Forearm.

[4sake]

I HATE Clocks new look, especially the hair. Where does he get it relaxed when he lives on the streets?


I belive the artist was trying to draw/drawing dreads/dreadlocks :biggrin: & not relaxed hair.

[4sake]

To anyone who blamesHellion and Match's behavior on drunkenness...

Remind me how old they are again?



Hellion is more than likely 18-19
Match is more than likely 17-18

[4sake]

I only read the first page of this thread so I don't know if anyone brought it up... but keep in mind that they had all been drinking, which might have been a source of the violent outburst. Pretty weak, sure. I have never even heard of Meld before, and I rarely have trouble remembering even the most obscure mutants. He must suck very, very badly.

There were certainly flaws with this issue, no doubt. I loved Dodson's Loa, and the Dark X-Men look pretty slick. I like Cloak's hair, and Mimic is pretty badass.

Mystique is around which is a plus. I liked seeing Lorelei, and Avalanche finally did something. I think I want to punch Match in the face, badly, regardless of the burns I would get. I imagine he impulsively started a fire and Hellion didn't want to look disorganized and stupid on camera, so he acted like he was a part of the hysteria to make the group seem like they had an agenda and were in synch. That is likely the case with all of the others as well.

I did not, however, like how Dark Beast was drawn. He looked too similar to current cat Beast, and he was the same fur color as 616 Beast, which is very, very confusing. That needs to be adjusted.

My hopes for this story are that Emma is playing Osborn and the whole time is just acting around Dark Beast. Hopefully by the end, Emma reveals her agenda and assassinates Dark Beast with some clever catchphrase attached, like "Payback is a bitch, and I am really horny!" Or something typical for Emma to say under Fraction's pen.

I agree. :biggrin:

[XaviersMisprint]

I agree. :biggrin:

About which part!?

[The Lucky One]

He looked pretty pissed off, I would be too if I had two extra limbs that had no real use except for "decoration".

How is it possible no one has yet said, "...instead of just the one?"

So last issue Colossus beat down Rockslide, in this one Emma Frost bitch slapped Hellion, and presumably someone will be destroying Match next issue. I know the NXM are traditionally all the other characters' whipping posts, but is this the crossover where one of them takes an ass beating literally every issue?

-D

[XaviersMisprint]

How is it possible no one has yet said, "...instead of just the one?"

So last issue Colossus beat down Rockslide, in this one Emma Frost bitch slapped Hellion, and presumably someone will be destroying Match next issue. I know the NXM are traditionally all the other characters' whipping posts, but is this the crossover where one of them takes an ass beating literally every issue?

-D

Yes, and the issue after, Dazzler pulls out Pixie's wings, Northstar pummels Anole and flies him to the middle of the Atlantic, Wolverine cuts off Armor's hair, and Karma pees in Bling!'s laundry basket.

[Prodigy55]

omg match scans????

[4sake]

About which part!?

With these parts:

but keep in mind that they had all been drinking, which might have been a source of the violent outburst. There were certainly flaws with this issue, no doubt. I loved Dodson's Loa, and the Dark X-Men look pretty slick. I like Cloak's hair, and Mimic is pretty badass.

It great to actually see/have black/AA male drawn with a hair style other than very lazy drawn shaved head we usually get. Also I was happy to see Sunspot actually looked like he was half/part black in this issue & that he remember to how to used all his powers.

Also agree with this :
Mystique is around which is a plus. I liked seeing Lorelei, and Avalanche finally did something.

I loved what Hellion & Match did.. I hope they do it more often.

Also agree with this :
My hopes for this story are that Emma is playing Osborn and the whole time is just acting around Dark Beast. Hopefully by the end, Emma reveals her agenda and assassinates Dark Beast with some clever catchphrase attached, like "Payback is a bitch, and I am really horny!" Or something typical for Emma to say under Fraction's pen.

[Puunk]

*Anticipates the issue while feeling uneasy.*

[Slung]

Hellion is more than likely 18-19
Match is more than likely 17-18

Already? Weren't they just three years younger than that?

[DeadXMan]

Already? Weren't they just three years younger than that?

it's nothing compared to pixie, who aged five years over the course of one summer....playing baseball.......in England.

[The Lucky One]

Yes, and the issue after, Dazzler pulls out Pixie's wings, Northstar pummels Anole and flies him to the middle of the Atlantic, Wolverine cuts off Armor's hair, and Karma pees in Bling!'s laundry basket.

I'm surprisingly okay with most of those. And suddenly realizing that almost all the New Mutants (vol. 2) characters I liked are dead or depowered. :frown:

but keep in mind that they had all been drinking, which might have been a source of the violent outburst.

Maybe... depends what they were drinking. Remember: beer makes you mellow, champagne makes you silly, wine makes you dramatic, tequila makes you felonious. :smile:

-D

[Beast]

Maybe... depends what they were drinking. Remember: beer makes you mellow, champagne makes you silly, wine makes you dramatic, tequila makes you felonious. :smile:

-D
Clearly Sunspot killed the worm.

[4sake]

Already? Weren't they just three years younger than that?

Yeah already lol.

In NM vol 2. David & Surge were both 17 & Hellion was 16. IN between NM vol 2, NX : AX & New X-men there were too summers (one was like around NM vol # 13 & NX:AX 1) & the other was in the NX:AX 15 & yearbook special just before the HoM so that a year in a half /2 years right there. New X-men # 20-46 probably happen in 3-6 months. There DWS stories & the suck that was young X-men was probably maybe a few weeks marvel time at the most.

Pixie(boo boo lol), wolf cub & etc were like younger than the main cast. They were like 13- 15. Some maybe were 16 at the start of NM vol 2 or & NX : AX(Loa, Match he was squad leader so I don't think he really all that younger than David & Hellion.)

[DarkBeast]

All I'll say about this issue is that it's typical of what Fraction's been doing all along: cast that's too large, and political ideas that are compelling but come off as half-baked. I LIKED it, though. It's why I've bought every issue of the run so far even though I find a LOT to criticize in them. Fraction's glaring flaws in Uncanny X-Men are simply more interesting, to me, than a lot of other comic writer's modest successes.

[Gene M.]

I've missed a few issues here and there, and I'm pretty sure they were the ones that dealt with Emma and Norman's arrangement so that stuff felt a little out of left field for me. Overall, though, I enjoyed this issue and and interested in what the status quo will be when this is all over. Also, I have to give it up to Fraction for finally making me like Adam X. If he had been drinking a Mountain Dew and eating some Spicier Nacho Doritos, he would have been perfect.

[Volk1]

All I'll say about this issue is that it's typical of what Fraction's been doing all along: cast that's too large, and political ideas that are compelling but come off as half-baked. I LIKED it, though. It's why I've bought every issue of the run so far even though I find a LOT to criticize in them. Fraction's glaring flaws in Uncanny X-Men are simply more interesting, to me, than a lot of other comic writer's modest successes.

Very interesting idea here. It does seem that there's a consensus on Fraction;s run obviously having some flaws but look how much attention the series has been getting lately. (thanks to a crossover as well I guess but still.)

There's something about this specific story that's very compelling. But I do think the background characters getting only one line hurts. I mean, this book was 3.99 and was still only 22 pages. If they had made it 32 pages then maybe the renegade mutants' idea wouldn't have seem flimsy.

Aw- well, it was kind of cool seeing Adam X. It was like "whoa!" because he's a guy so 90's and goshdarnit the 90's i will always love. I actually chuckled. It's something I expect from UNCANNY Fraction. Not Invincible Iron Man Fraction. (Yes I think there are two Fractions out there, something like a fraction of a fraction...like mulitple man!)

Kudos to Hellion for starting a ruckus. Match was always a kid who'd be down with a riot.


It was kind of silly Sunspot being there though he does recognize he doesn't belong there. Sunspot's always been one for spontaeous heat action however. :smile:

[Slung]

Yeah already lol.

In NM vol 2. David & Surge were both 17 & Hellion was 16. IN between NM vol 2, NX : AX & New X-men there were too summers (one was like around NM vol # 13 & NX:AX 1) & the other was in the NX:AX 15 & yearbook special just before the HoM so that a year in a half /2 years right there. New X-men # 20-46 probably happen in 3-6 months. There DWS stories & the suck that was young X-men was probably maybe a few weeks marvel time at the most.

Pixie(boo boo lol), wolf cub & etc were like younger than the main cast. They were like 13- 15. Some maybe were 16 at the start of NM vol 2 or & NX : AX(Loa, Match he was squad leader so I don't think he really all that younger than David & Hellion.)

I don't think we can use seasons to calculate ages: Summers, Christmas, holidays, etc can happen without it effecting age, right? That is part of serial fiction. Times of year reflect real life without aging characters.

[infernohara]

Ridiculous.

So while Cyclops is watching T.V. with a hard on Hellion and crew decide to be rebellious. Lets not forget the fact that Avalanche doing anything wrong and Wolverine will gut him which he convieniently forgot as he serves 15 year old drinks. We also won't forget senior members (Avalanche and Sunspot) actually taking orders from Hellion (Whos long hair is quite annoying).

Mystique suddenly captured and having a bomb placed in her makes no sense and she actually seemed happy about it?!

Oh and Cyclops you left the cuckoos....this is becoming quite the trend. I really didn't know abandoning teammates way X-man like.

[Drey]

There were things I liked and things I didn't. I do agree Inferno that Hellion's hair is annoying (along with his personality). I used to like him before Decimation. Now I pretty much hate him.

Loved seeing the Cameo Sisters together! I smell a shopping trip coming soon!! But someone PLEASE do something with Ali's atrocious costume!! That is one of the worst costumes I've ever seen!! And the color scheme!! UGH!

Venom...what the hell. Isn't he supposed to be "Spider-Man" now just like the other Dark Avengers are pretending to be other respective heroes?

That Sheila chick that works in the hospital has some broad shoulders doesn't she?

Loved Emma though. She's so much better when she's not with Scott. I do hope to see her eventually talk with Dark Beast about their past history.

[diablo7]

i think emma has a plan to get rid of norman and namor is part of that plan, because from the way it sounded norman couldn't get namor to join his team. also in the secret invasion: dark reign special namor and dr. doom were starting a plan to get rid of norman so maybe emma is now part of that team.

[iceman06]

There were things I liked and things I didn't. I do agree Inferno that Hellion's hair is annoying (along with his personality). I used to like him before Decimation. Now I pretty much hate him.

Isn't he more like the pre-"Decimation" Hellion now? This is the kid that was buddies with every kid in the school who wasn't in the main cast despite being a jerk, tried to break his friend out of jail, fought security at the airport, and gave an anti-human speech in the cafeteria. As a fan, I'm more worried for his well-being, and I'm reminded why he works best as a leader and not the leader.

[rzerox21xx]

Damn, I dont see any FemineMystique famous abridged episodes. I look forward to that every time Uncanny comes out.


Oh yeah, here some ideas for you to use from Dialogue taken from the Konami X-men arcade game which I think was Engrish


I am Magneto, master of Magneto

Nothing moves the blob

white queen welcomes you to die

Alias that was not Magneto(insert name) that was mystique, Magneto(insert) is over there, you can use then when they find out hat professor x is really msytique.

Wedinigo wendigo wendigo.

X-chicken

Kill you

[digitalways]

Ridiculous.
Mystique suddenly captured and having a bomb placed in her makes no sense and she actually seemed happy about it?!


I totally forgot about this and I thought it was so effing random. I had a split second of 'oh, what' when she shifted from Xavier into herself, but really? Upon second thought, I had to roll my eyes. Why even bother with the bomb business? She has flipped sides often enough and manipulated situations to her liking that adding in that plot element is kind of needless and over the top for what she will probably eventually end up doing (aka, double crossing so-and-so for her own plan hatched because so-and-so suggested it, blah, blah, blah).

[Drey]

Isn't he more like the pre-"Decimation" Hellion now? This is the kid that was buddies with every kid in the school who wasn't in the main cast despite being a jerk, tried to break his friend out of jail, fought security at the airport, and gave an anti-human speech in the cafeteria. As a fan, I'm more worried for his well-being, and I'm reminded why he works best as a leader and not the leader.

Maybe it's because the writers showed different sides to his character back then. I really liked him in that Hellions series and liked his friendship with Tag and his feelings for Sofia. He did give me mixed feelings though because even though I liked him, I also disliked him because he was such a jerk.

He reminded me of this kid I went to highschool with that was obnoxious, but could be pretty cool when he wasn't getting on my nerves.

Now, it's like everytime you see him he's just spouting off his big mouth and angry ALL the time, looking stupid in the process.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Maybe it's because the writers showed different sides to his character back then. I really liked him in that Hellions series and liked his friendship with Tag and his feelings for Sofia. He did give me mixed feelings though because even though I liked him, I also disliked him because he was such a jerk.

He reminded me of this kid I went to highschool with that was obnoxious, but could be pretty cool when he wasn't getting on my nerves.

Now, it's like everytime you see him he's just spouting off his big mouth and angry ALL the time, looking stupid in the process.

Well, I think his actions have made sense in the current story arc. It's definitely a way that I can see Julian acting. It's true that we aren't seeing all the sides to him, but that's partly because a lot of stuff is going down right now. I think when he joins the cast of Legacy later this year we'll see him when there's not a bunch of anti-mutant protests and laws being passed.

[4sake]

I don't think we can use seasons to calculate ages: Summers, Christmas, holidays, etc can happen without it effecting age, right? That is part of serial fiction. Times of year reflect real life without aging characters.

Yeah but David was said to be 18 or 19 (he & Surge are said to be the same age when they were created) after the HoM it was in issue 20something I think (that was 18/19 & etc). So if he's getting older in the series then so are the others characters. Also the writers of NM vol2 & NX:AX (DF & W) said that they want to show that alot of time had past (at least 3-5 months) between NM vol # 13 & NZ:AX # 1 to explain why the characters looked older, had better used of powers, had different hair & etc. & by the end of AX /yearbook at least a year had past because it was the same type of the year as it was NM vol 2. (I don't think they would do the same time of the year twice especially since marvel is supposed to be similar to the real world & etc. Also there were to X-mas specials during that time period that had the new x-men cast in it. (1 was in Marvel X-mas special (03 I think) & other was X-men # 165 (05))So I do think they were aged almost a 1 or 2 those periods (2003-2008/9) but more than likely only them & not the major characters (Scott, Beast & etc because they have to stay a certain age)

It's kind of like how in Iron Fist issue an 7/8 year old Danny was playing a spider man toy, but yet he supposed to be 33 & peter only 25-28 & not 40. Or how peter become spider man when he's 13, & when's 15 when's 16 & etc. Or like how Franklin should be 14-16 & not 7/8. So I believe that certain characters get to age faster than only mainly when there in the own comic.

[mikekerr3]

overall, i liked the story.

HOWEVER, there is a leap in logic that i am having difficulty reconciling here.

on one page, we have the bitter x-people sitting in a bar (why is match even at this place? fire hazzzzzarrrd) being disgruntled. why is match even disguntled in the first place? isn't he pretty brainless anyway? ....always smiling?

anyway...

adam x slams his food on table and says he wants to go beat up some humans. but sunspot says that would be stupid to act like "goons" and they would get stomped quickly. hellion SMARTLY agrees with sunspot and surprisingly, so does avalanche.

so, then....

why, on the very next page, do we seen hellion and co. being terrorists and blowing up san francisco?!

LOL, did something happen off-panel to change everyone minds?


They didn't blow of San Fransico the put on a pyrotechnics display to attack attention. If they wanted to flatten San Fransisco Avalanche could probably flatten THAT town by his lonesome. What they did was not terrorism it was civil disobedience. How much of SF would be standing and not burnt if those guys actually wanted to destroy ?

I hope that Cloak and Dagger have Nanites too, It would be a shame to stake them of my Heroes list after so long.

[mikekerr3]

That depresses me! I love Cloak and Dagger ... so they did nothing? I really anticipated them after Fraction's interview about them on Marvel.com xl How naive was I to think they'd actually be important.

He turned them in to Normans lackeys, then gave then only a few words.

[timbox]

What they did was not terrorism it was civil disobedience.

Civil disobedience would be something like being out after the curfew protesting, not setting things on fire. I like how you are commending them for not destroying the entire city; way to show restraint, Hellion.

[just another user]

Civil disobedience would be something like being out after the curfew protesting, not setting things on fire. I like how you are commending them for not destroying the entire city; way to show restraint, Hellion.

I shall have to start using a new internet acronym: DIACD

[mikekerr3]

Has Wolverine arrived from his stint with the NA to aid Cyke and the x-men yet?? I'll be sorely disappointed if he doesn't mix it up against the DA heavyweights!

And can somone explain to me why Osborn doesn't send Sentry in starting from Jump street?? hasn't osborn heard that (paraphrased) maxim, "he who strikes first, if he strikes hard enough, may not have to strike again"? Is he waiting to send Sentry in once things have gotten out of control?:confused: perhaps I'm missing the logic.

Tactically Norman is just a dumb ass.

[4sake]

They didn't blow of San Fransico the put on a pyrotechnics display to attack attention. If they wanted to flatten San Fransisco Avalanche could probably flatten THAT town by his lonesome. What they did was not terrorism it was civil disobedience. How much of SF would be standing and not burnt if those guys actually wanted to destroy ?


Interesting I didn't think to look at it in that way till now. That actually makes sense, but I still wish they would have blown some part of the city up:mad: .

[mikekerr3]

Civil disobedience would be something like being out after the curfew protesting, not setting things on fire. I like how you are commending them for not destroying the entire city; way to show restraint, Hellion.

What exactly did they destroy, if anything?

look at the panels again, a lot of flame but I didn't see anthing destroyed in any panel. Pyrotechnics not destruction.

I think even the radical Mutants here are being very self-controlled seeing what Trask has in mind: making sure the genocide is complete, how would any group of normal people react to having their breeding "controlled" or anyone who proposed it. For most people it would lead to large amounts of blood on the streets. Especially when the law and government are run by bigots and fools who have a history of hate, bigotry and abuse.

[just another user]

What exactly did they destroy, if anything?

look at the panels again, a lot of flame but I didn't see anthing destroyed in any panel. Pyrotechnics not destruction.

I think even the radical Mutants here are being very self-controlled seeing what Trask has in mind: making sure the genocide is complete, how would any group of normal people react to having their breeding "controlled" or anyone who proposed it. For most people it would lead to large amounts of blood on the streets. Especially when the law and government are run by bigots and fools who have a history of hate, bigotry and abuse.

Maybe all the stuff that was on fire? The tree, the exploding car, the parasol looking thing, perhaps other stuff too?

[timbox]

Did they bring their own stunt props to use their 'pyrotechnics' on?

[mikekerr3]

Maybe all the stuff that was on fire? The tree, the exploding car, the parasol looking thing, perhaps other stuff too?

No car just exploding just a black object wrapped in fire, did you forget who these guys are? At leat one of then could wrap a gasoline drum with fire and not set it off.

What was shown actually being damaged?

[DeadXMan]

"Let's get @^$@&$$ extreme!!"

:rolleyes:

oh for Kirby's Sake. I knew there was a reason why they left him in Limbo.

[just another user]

No car just exploding just a black object wrapped in fire, did you forget who these guys are? At leat one of then could wrap a gasoline drum with fire and not set it off.

What was shown actually being damaged?

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs197.snc1/6649_98565104287_745294287_1924702_4660702_n.jpg

lol, I know questioning somebody's reading comprehension is an insult, and I wouldn't do that, but can I question your seeing comprehension?

[DeadXMan]

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs197.snc1/6649_98565104287_745294287_1924702_4660702_n.jpg

lol, I know questioning somebody's reading comprehension is an insult, and I wouldn't do that, but can I question your seeing comprehension?

That's their Idea of a peaceful demonstration?

[Dimoutzi]

I'm kinda confused about the Hellion/Emma Frost link. Hellion was obviously special for Emma in the New Mutants/Academy-X, she even allowed him to use the name 'Hellion' (which is kinda a big deal if you look at Emma's past).

But in this issue Emma acts very cold towards Hellion. Most of the former Academy-X students are with the X-men, but he isn't. Did 'something' happen which made Hellion turn away from the others? I do remember some brief story where Hellion contacted Magneto, but other that that i havent seen anything noteworthy. Either way, I would expect Emma to try to help Hellion overcome his problems (whatever those are).

[Optic Rage!]

"Let's get @^$@&$$ extreme!!"

:rolleyes:

oh for Kirby's Sake. I knew there was a reason why they left him in Limbo.

It was supposed to be a joke at the expensive of the 90's?

**covers face with hands**

Breathe Andy, Breathe.

[Minihorse]

Adam X is back from limbo. It's about time.

[Optic Rage!]

I'm kinda confused about the Hellion/Emma Frost link. Hellion was obviously special for Emma in the New Mutants/Academy-X, she even allowed him to use the name 'Hellion' (which is kinda a big deal if you look at Emma's past).

But in this issue Emma acts very cold towards Hellion. Most of the former Academy-X students are with the X-men, but he isn't. Did 'something' happen which made Hellion turn away from the others? I do remember some brief story where Hellion contacted Magneto, but other that that i havent seen anything noteworthy. Either way, I would expect Emma to try to help Hellion overcome his problems (whatever those are).

Maybe it's because she does not want to blow her cover?

[4sake]

I'm kinda confused about the Hellion/Emma Frost link. Hellion was obviously special for Emma in the New Mutants/Academy-X, she even allowed him to use the name 'Hellion' (which is kinda a big deal if you look at Emma's past).

But in this issue Emma acts very cold towards Hellion. Most of the former Academy-X students are with the X-men, but he isn't. Did 'something' happen which made Hellion turn away from the others? I do remember some brief story where Hellion contacted Magneto, but other that that i havent seen anything noteworthy. Either way, I would expect Emma to try to help Hellion overcome his problems (whatever those are).

Well after he was impaled & in a coma. He woke up to find her in the room next to him. He then asked her were is everyone & she refused to tell because she the Ice Queen & she had to be mean to someone that day lol so why not him. He asks her again & she put him to sleep using her powers. When woke up she was gone, the school was gone, his friends were gone, also his parents had abandon him (because he was an mutant & X-men) & didn't tell him that they moved.
Now why she just didn't tell him were in San Fan & etc has yet to be to said. After that he wonder around & some how get in contact with Magneto (who was no help at all) who basically said there a war coming & that Scott (who probably didn't know what Emma did to Hellion) giving/gave you a break from till it time for said war to happen . You should be happy. Later he's shown in X-force in San Fan getting kidnapped & etc (the issues on how he makes out Ok haven't came out yet). But we know makes it out Ok because he's shown alive in this story & is confirmed to be in X-men Legacy after this crossover.

[Jack Flash]

LOL

I do not know how I can ever accept M-Day if they continue to choose characters like Adam X to fill up the 200.

Because its always cooler when they are an alien and a mutant.

I love Adam! Don't hate! I don't hate on Pulse!

Adam X is gross. The long blond hair and the baseball cap and the name Adam X? Really? He's up there with Maggott and Ink.

This post is gross.

Are people really moaning about the Adam X thing? REALLY?

ZOMG! I am so excited!

Adam X in this month's Uncanny X-Men?

...........

Ahem.







YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! is right! I'd love a scan of Adam Neramani in all his glory!

And freaking Forearm too! This is so fantastic! I am so happy with Fraction.

[DeadXMan]

I'm kinda confused about the Hellion/Emma Frost link. Hellion was obviously special for Emma in the New Mutants/Academy-X, she even allowed him to use the name 'Hellion' (which is kinda a big deal if you look at Emma's past).

But in this issue Emma acts very cold toward Hellion. Most of the former Academy-X students are with the X-men, but he isn't. Did 'something' happen which made Hellion turn away from the others? I do remember some brief story where Hellion contacted Magneto, but other that that i havent seen anything noteworthy. Either way, I would expect Emma to try to help Hellion overcome his problems (whatever those are).

in the MD minis Hellion, Mercury, and most of the new x-men told Emma where to stick it cause they were tired of doing thing their way which has left to nothing but death and destruction. most went crawling back but Hellion stuck to his beliefs. He even sought out Magneto to train him. but was rejected cause Mags saw he had too much hatred and rage. He would have no part in creating the next generation version of himself.

[DeadXMan]

Adam looked even more sad a pathetic then he ever did during the 90's

and by back we mean in there for two panels and then gets his ass kick off screen by the dark x-men.

[Charybdis4]

So when did Emma become Omega class????

[just another user]

I wonder if Adam X will show up in Forever?

[AcesX1X]

No car just exploding just a black object wrapped in fire, did you forget who these guys are? At leat one of then could wrap a gasoline drum with fire and not set it off.

What was shown actually being damaged?

please have your eyes examined and/or learn to read before you further reply to this thread.

[jackolover]

I'd like to see Scott try to meet with Norman Osborn. I doubt he's get in the front door. And even if he did, whatever he has to say Norman will just turn around, and make Scott look dumb. I don't think you can reason with Osborn. Norm,an already has his prefered X-Men, so Scott is just excess. That's what I'd like to see.

[AN0LE]

Does anyone else think that Namor is going to lose his shit when he finds out that Emma did not actually kill Shaw and that it was all a telepathic suggestion?

[jackolover]

Now why she just didn't tell him were in San Fan & etc has yet to be to said. After that he wonder around & some how get in contact with Magneto (who was no help at all) who basically said there a war coming .

Can anyone tell me the issue and number that this happened in please?

[4sake]

Can anyone tell me the issue and number that this happened in please?

http://www.comicvine.com/x-men-divided-we-stand-danger-room-home-blend-in-belong-migas/37-127499/

[worstblogever]

So when did Emma become Omega class????

When she said so, under Fraction's pen.

[AN0LE]

When she said so, under Fraction's pen.

I am sure it will be etched in stone next issue... and by etched in stone I mean there will be a Fraption that states she is Omega level.

[frog]

The elder X-Men really dropped the ball when they didn't sit on Hellion after the very first incident, considering he was the one that turned it from demonstration to riot.

Instead they let him drink and then go right back out again? That really shows a lack of foresight.

[Jack Flash]

The elder X-Men really dropped the ball when they didn't sit on Hellion after the very first incident, considering he was the one that turned it from demonstration to riot.

Instead they let him drink and then go right back out again? That really shows a lack of foresight.

they are likely really busy. They left him at the hospital. it's not like this is worse than that.

[just another user]

The elder X-Men really dropped the ball when they didn't sit on Hellion after the very first incident, considering he was the one that turned it from demonstration to riot.

Instead they let him drink and then go right back out again? That really shows a lack of foresight.

They probably thought with Beast locked up that the danger had passed.

[darknessatnoon]

The elder X-Men really dropped the ball when they didn't sit on Hellion after the very first incident, considering he was the one that turned it from demonstration to riot.

Instead they let him drink and then go right back out again? That really shows a lack of foresight.

It shows they're busy and don't have a staff babysitter. Plus, the real culprit, Hank McCoy, is in jail.

[DeadXMan]

how was beast at fault for Hellion stomping a mud hole into Trask?

and Horay More underage drinking! Thank God they weren't smoking. It could influenced Children to pick up a carton, but it it's okay if it's a six pack.

[frog]

they are likely really busy. They left him at the hospital. it's not like this is worse than that.

They probably thought with Beast locked up that the danger had passed.

It shows they're busy and don't have a staff babysitter. Plus, the real culprit, Hank McCoy, is in jail.

Yeah, they were all really busy sitting around watching television.



Beast is very talented to have the rest of the riots from his jail cell.

[Seres]

Matt Fraction is going to kill someone in Uncanny 516. Probably Dazzler, Match, Beast, or Hellion. Place your bets now.