Uncanny X-Men #513 Review Thread (SPOILERS)-

[Nyssane]

Why wasn't 'Phytey in New Avalon??? I wish he would've been a part of that Xavier smack down action. Its strange how the rest were just there for that one issue and then kinda went back into obscurity.

Well I guess that isn't strange, but its still notgood.

I'm sure the Kleinstocks will turn up in a similarly unexpected cameo.

Maybe Thumby works at the bar too to please the male customers with her brawny good lukz while Risque is rockin' the janitorial apron in the sexiest way imaginable?

I have no idea but it really makes me sad! Why bring in all those Acolytes in Messiah CompleX and not use them? And where the FUCK is Senyaka?

I like to think all of the unused Acolytes are working as agents for Exodus elsewhere... like their version of the X-Corporations. Although why Big E would choose Random as one of the members to be close to, I have no idea.

I doubt it, Fraction seems to hate all the characters I love. :( Risque and Thumbelina are probably working as hookers at the new X-Ranch in San Fran. Nobody ever asks for Thumbelina but the boss, Fontanelle, doesn't have the heart to let her go.

[Fatguy]

Avalanche!!! This pleases me.

Also, Anole looks even crappier than usual under Dodson's crayons.

[Faded]

I have no idea but it really makes me sad! Why bring in all those Acolytes in Messiah CompleX and not use them? And where the FUCK is Senyaka?

I like to think all of the unused Acolytes are working as agents for Exodus elsewhere... like their version of the X-Corporations. Although why Big E would choose Random as one of the members to be close to, I have no idea.

That would be sooo cool.

It kind of looked like they were sleeper agents or something.

*might be using sleeper agents incorrectly)

I doubt it, Fraction seems to hate all the characters I love. :( Risque and Thumbelina are probably working as hookers at the new X-Ranch in San Fran. Nobody ever asks for Thumbelina but the boss, Fontanelle, doesn't have the heart to let her go.

LOLOLOLOLOL

I demand Azure write this when he's finished with The Darkstar Wars.

Avalanche!!! This pleases me.

Also, Anole looks even crappier than usual under Dodson's crayons.

LOL he did.

But Graymalkin looked cute so the world sleeps easy tonight.

[Fatguy]

LOL he did.

But Graymalkin looked cute so the world sleeps easy tonight.

I didn't even see Graymalkin! Dodson was kinda weak this issue. Though, he had his moments. Everybody on the Dark squad looked great.

[Faded]

I didn't even see Graymalkin! Dodson was kinda weak this issue. Though, he had his moments. Everybody on the Dark squad looked great.

He was giving a thumbs up, like a cute foreign exchange student who had a slurpee for the first time. <3

But yeah, I thought Dodson's art looked especially shallow this issue. Every time someone showed an emotion I was like, "really now?".

[Nyssane]

I didn't even see Graymalkin! Dodson was kinda weak this issue. Though, he had his moments. Everybody on the Dark squad looked great.

Dodson made all the men look too old! My poor Avalanche looked like he was 50. :frown:

[Anna]

LOL

That's gross.

I guess that could be Forearm.

Hell, let's go with that being Forearm. The only problem is he looks way too old.

where's the 3rd cuckoo chick?

in this and the legacy preview, i only see 2 Maybe she couldn't get away from the cops?

I wish Fraction would listen to the fans and put the Kleinstocks and Neophyte in Utopia. :frown: :frown: And Thumbelina and Risque, who are undoubtedly BFFs because everyone needs a fat friend. Especially a dead chick like Risque

"Is Professor X even in a wheelchair anymore?" was a nice touch.

LOL what is Mystique's motivation this time???

This girl, I swear...



Why wasn't 'Phytey in New Avalon??? I wish he would've been a part of that Xavier smack down action. Its strange how the rest were just there for that one issue and then kinda went back into obscurity.

Well I guess that isn't strange, but its still notgood.

I'm sure the Kleinstocks will turn up in a similarly unexpected cameo.

Maybe Thumby works at the bar too to please the male customers with her brawny good lukz while Risque is rockin' the janitorial apron in the sexiest way imaginable? Neophythe was one of the Acolytes that didn't make the grade, and hung out with Vindaloo Projector and Gargouille. The might eventually make it to frisco; but Risque is more likely to join Selene's zombie army.

I have no idea but it really makes me sad! Why bring in all those Acolytes in Messiah CompleX and not use them? And where the FUCK is Senyaka?

I like to think all of the unused Acolytes are working as agents for Exodus elsewhere... like their version of the X-Corporations. Although why Big E would choose Random as one of the members to be close to, I have no idea.

I doubt it, Fraction seems to hate all the characters I love. :( Risque and Thumbelina are probably working as hookers at the new X-Ranch in San Fran. Nobody ever asks for Thumbelina but the boss, Fontanelle, doesn't have the heart to let her go.

Are we sure Senyaka survived Cable blowing up Providence?

[steve2275]

Oh, sure, that's reasonable: let's put the bipolar guy that doesn't care if he is a mutant or not, just hates almost all humankind, has already one kingdom to run and does it badly to lead mutantkind. What can possibly go wrong?:rolleyes:
That's like having, I don't know, Norman Osborn in charge of protecting the US.um
too late

[Faded]

Dodson made all the men look too old! My poor Avalanche looked like he was 50. :frown:

I'm so over Dodson, dude.

Like, WHERE IS THE MUTHAEFFING LAND???

The only problem is he looks way too old.

LOL

See above quote, its probably the same thing.

Especially a dead chick like Risque

YOUS A LIE.

[Flâneur]

As this is a cross series event, I thought it would be worth discussing this apart from the X board. I can't get any responses over there.

LOL wut? Big thread is big with more responses than you can choke a yeti with.

Emma was supposed to be Magneto originally, so Marvel has had to squeeze her into the role.
Doesn't mean she's going to be doing all the things he would though, the role has obviously shifted to accommodate her and it's fairly obvious they're not going to break them up. She's going to back stab Norman sooner rather than later.

Plus Fraction doesn't acknowledge that she was a villain, his official position is that she was always a good guy, even when in the Hellfire Club, so we're not going to see anything genuinely nefarious.

[Waterlily]

there is some competition (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/search.php?searchid=4114378)

JUA, I clicked on the link but the post is gone. Can you spoil me on what it was?

There will definitely be an explanation for why the renegades ran in the middle of the park and immediately started rioting when they specifically concluded at the bar as a team that going in like goons and *#+*#*# *1!# up(by Adam-X's words no less) would be a bad idea. I was under the impression they'd go in the park and do a peaceful rally which would bait Osborn into arresting them and thus looking like a bad guy, rather than terrorizing SF and making the dark X-men be the heroes. I have faith that fraction will clear this up next issue.

I thought the explanation was: alcohol + tv cameras + miss sinister influencing them because she's bored = riot

She did look great in black. And I loved her two lines too!

They were so "I'm bored and that's why I'm here".

<3 <3 <3

[Jack Flash]

Was FOREARM actually in this.
Furreal?

I DIDN'T SEE NO DAMN FOREARM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well the MLF Forearm anyway.
Assholes getting mah hopes up.

!

LOL

That's gross.

I guess that could be Forearm.

Hell, let's go with that being Forearm.

Dodson made all the men look too old! My poor Avalanche looked like he was 50. :frown:

LOL. it was Forearm, but he was drawn older than he is!!!!!!

[Dagger]

Dodson made all the men look too old! My poor Avalanche looked like he was 50. :frown:

WHAT?!?!!? UNACCEPTABLE!

[MIMIC616]

Is Weapon Omega canadian? I thought Weapon Omega was American?

[Dagger]

Is Weapon Omega canadian? I thought Weapon Omega was American?
He is American. He came from Alaska.

[mimic_616]

Dodson made all the men look too old! My poor Avalanche looked like he was 50. :frown:

Nah, Mimic looked 50. Avalanche looked mid 30's. :smile:

[Prodigy55]

Weapon X is not Canadian. And since when was Dagger a drug addict?

[Beast]

Plus Fraction doesn't acknowledge that she was a villain, his official position is that she was always a good guy, even when in the Hellfire Club, so we're not going to see anything genuinely nefarious.
Mmmhmm. Tell that to Firestar and poor Butter Rum.

[darknessatnoon]

Mmmhmm. Tell that to Firestar and poor Butter Rum.

Firestar has cancer to deal with. Forget her dumb horse. If she had stuck with Emma from the start, she wouldn't be in such deep shit today.

[Omega Alpha]

[QUOTE=jackolover;9210524]I can't see her backstabbing Norman until the time he looses power.

Well, but she's gonna do just that. Her only reasons to join the Cabal and this Dark X-men team would be to avoid Osborn from going against the X-men and give them more time to plan something. But Osborn is going against the X-men for a fact (in The List), even trying to depower them, and the X-men are going against Osborn (heck, that's the point of the crossover after all). Plus, we know Emma is still in the X-men after the crossover, being even on the last cover fighting in the X-men's side, this Dark X-men team isn't lasting, and Osborn is taking the X-men much more personal than the others (obvious and only reason would be losing and being betrayed).

And she backstabbed Namor the first chance she had, she would backstab Osborn with no problems.


I think Namor would make a stronger king of the Mutants than Xavier or Scott or that mental case Magneto. I respect Namor to do a fine job.

Well, I can say that Gambit or the Blob would make better kings for mutants, but that doesn't make I have any basis to do that, or it would make any sense. And they both would still make more sense than Namor.

[7thangel]

Maybe she couldn't get away from the cops?


that's what i thought but i would have expected some kind of reaction, even a line or two or a cliche near faint pose. unless it's part of the plot.

Weapon X is not Canadian. And since when was Dagger a drug addict?

that's where editors are supposed to step up.

i read it again and i can't get past how bad the art is, made worse due to a lack of inking, there just wasn't enough. i hate complaining about shit but it's bugging me more than any plot hole or editorial decisions

[AcesX1X]

Firestar has cancer to deal with. Forget her dumb horse. If she had stuck with Emma from the start, she wouldn't be in such deep shit today.

that's actually......really true.

[Beast]

that's actually......really true.
Exactly. She'd be dead. Like most of Emma's students.

[Seccruz]

Exactly. She'd be dead. Like most of Emma's students.
Man has a point, the hellions got really screwed up then...Which was a shame, I actually liked the Hellions...

[AcesX1X]

Exactly. She'd be dead. Like most of Emma's students.

don't be so dense, beast.

unlike the rest of emma's students, firestar actually had a useful power, and would probably still be alive. and if she had stayed loyal to emma, could have been an a-list x-man right now, instead of a pathetic drunk in a bar crying into her beer over her microwave cancer and her failed relationship with vance astro, with no one knowing her name or giving a damn if she lived or died.

[Prodigy55]

Exactly. She'd be dead. Like most of Emma's students.

Eh, the important ones are alive.

[Sighphi]

Btw easy explanation regarding Adam-X; he was clearly drinking heavily that night which explains his belligerance.

So when he gets drunk he acts like he was raised on earth?
Interesting.

[Seccruz]

Eh, the important ones are alive.

LOL!!! JUst lol...I liked the team as a whole...

[iceman06]

So when he gets drunk he acts like he was raised on earth?
Interesting.

When he gets drunk, he acts like he was raised on Earth (which he wasn't), really loved pop culture in the early '90s, and left Earth about 15 years ago (which is possible since he hasn't been seen on Earth since then).

[DeadXMan]

Dazzler does not stay dead for long. Mike Carey is planning on using Match and Hellion. Any other suggestions?
Can Santo watch?

But Julian has a fully formed nose.

of course not, see the dazzler we've been seeing is the Alpha from Slott's She-hulk run. The real dazzler and her came to an agreement that Alpha Dazzler can go round sining as the 616 dazzler. While this dimension's Ali went around as an impersonator, which is why she'll keep her short pink hair. This also explains why Dazzler has become a drug pushing, smiling idiot, that let's minors drink.
Now the real dazzler comes back dress in the kick ass orginal AoA outfit and puts Pixie and northstar in their place.

[AcesX1X]

of course not, see the dazzler we've been seeing is the Alpha from Slott's She-hulk run. The real dazzler and her came to an agreement that Alpha Dazzler can go round sining as the 616 dazzler. While this dimension's Ali went around as an impersonator, which is why she'll keep her short pink hair. This also explains why Dazzler has become a drug pushing, smiling idiot, that let's minors drink.
Now the real dazzler comes back dress in the kick ass orginal AoA outfit and puts Pixie and northstar in their place.

LOLdeadxmanWHUT?

[DeadXMan]

you need to watch more Bruce Campbell movies.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Firstly, Adam X is a parody of a character, so he was parodied. Also, he was probably drunk. Ridiculous character acts ridiculous.


Admitably, the early costume and codename is kind of stupid, but he was actually written pretty well back in the day.

[The Cool Thatguy]

don't be so dense, beast.

unlike the rest of emma's students, firestar actually had a useful power, and would probably still be alive. and if she had stayed loyal to emma, could have been an a-list x-man right now, instead of a pathetic drunk in a bar crying into her beer over her microwave cancer and her failed relationship with vance astro, with no one knowing her name or giving a damn if she lived or died.

Uhh, no. Emma was setting up Firestar to do a suicide run against Selene. Had she stayed, she'd be dead. The man Emma assigned to protect her did die, as did the minions she first sent against the X-Men.

Emma's lost three whole classes to mass slaughter. It's long since time for her to stop pretending she can teach mutants.

[Anna]

Nah, Mimic looked 50. Avalanche looked mid 30's. :smile: Mimic should be in his 30s, Avalanche should be older as would Pyro be. I'm referencing the original John Byrne renderings.

Weapon X is not Canadian. And since when was Dagger a drug addict? Fraction could be referencing the fact that she was approached by drug dealers when she first ran away.

[Beast]

Uhh, no. Emma was setting up Firestar to do a suicide run against Selene. Had she stayed, she'd be dead. The man Emma assigned to protect her did die, as did the minions she first sent against the X-Men.

Emma's lost three whole classes to mass slaughter. It's long since time for her to stop pretending she can teach mutants.
Bingo. Thanks for the assist, TCT.

[Monty_Cristo]

Mimic should be in his 30s, Avalanche should be older as would Pyro be. I'm referencing the original John Byrne renderings.

Fraction could be referencing the fact that she was approached by drug dealers when she first ran away.

not to mention all of the recreational drugs she was using while hooking for the Hypno-Hustler. j/k

[Slung]

Uhh, no. Emma was setting up Firestar to do a suicide run against Selene. Had she stayed, she'd be dead. The man Emma assigned to protect her did die, as did the minions she first sent against the X-Men.


The people highlighted were murdered by Emma however, they did not die on Emma's "watch". I don't think she planned on murdering Angelica - she was too useful. Although, Emma didn't actually think Angelica would survive against Selene.

[Anna]

Didn't Emma also have some guy Firestar was close to killed?

[coveredinbees]

The people highlighted were murdered by Emma however, they did not die on Emma's "watch". I don't think she planned on murdering Angelica - she was too useful. Although, Emma didn't actually think Angelica would survive against Selene.
I really wanted to see that fight.

Didn't Emma also have some guy Firestar was close to killed?
You mean her body guard?

[The Lucky One]

Here's a question- are Cloak, Dagger, and Weapon Omega the only Dark X-Men who don't know "Charles Xavier" is really Mystique? Emma knows. Daken would know, both because he's Osborn's elite and through Mystique's lack of scent. Namor probably knows, because he knows the real Xavier through the Illuminati and because he and Emma are tight, at least for now. And Mimic would know, because he's an omega-level telepath himself, plus his body would copy Mystique's shapeshifting once he got within a few feet of her. I guess Dark Beast might not know, but I'd imagine Osborn probably clued him in. So unless someone told C&D and Michael Pointer, I'd guess they're the only team members who think "Xavier" is really Xavier.

-D

[DeadXMan]

given that mimic has Jean Grey's physic abilities, he should, but that is giving Fraction too much credit as an X-writer

[Anna]

I really wanted to see that fight.


You mean her body guard?

Yes, he was beaten to death.

[ZNOP]

given that mimic has Jean Grey's physic abilities, he should, but that is giving Fraction too much credit as an X-writer

Calvin has Jean's telekinesis... It's Xavier's telepathy that he has -- albeit limited.

[DeadXMan]

Calvin has Jean's telekinesis... It's Xavier's telepathy that he has -- albeit limited.

OH I think Half of chuck's powers is still enough to best Emma.
Of course I'm basing this on continuity, which Fraction knows nothing about.:redface:

[jarrod]

OH I think Half of chuck's powers is still enough to best Emma.
Raw power level isn't everything, as Emma's shown before against more powerful telepaths (Jean, Rachel, Xavier, arguably Karma, etc).

[The Cool Thatguy]

The people highlighted were murdered by Emma however, they did not die on Emma's "watch". I don't think she planned on murdering Angelica - she was too useful. Although, Emma didn't actually think Angelica would survive against Selene.

No, they died as a result of Emma's orders. That's alot worse, really. And Emma did plan for Firestar to die when she went up against Selene.

So yeah, uber bitch.

[DeadXMan]

Raw power level isn't everything, as Emma's shown before against more powerful telepaths (Jean, Rachel, Xavier, arguably Karma, etc).
no. Jean kick her ass twice, Ray pulled her punches trying to attack her vanity and she ambushed chuck in legacy ( Chuck shut her down in DG) Emma Frost is beer league compared to Jean and Chuck.:evilsmile:

[spiderwire]

What's up with Selene? She's been hiding lately.

[Hakael]

What's up with Selene? She's been hiding lately.

No she hasn't, check out X-Force... she's gonna be making a big move soon.

[Sighphi]

no. Jean kick her ass twice, Ray pulled her punches trying to attack her vanity and she ambushed chuck in legacy ( Chuck shut her down in DG) Emma Frost is beer league compared to Jean and Chuck.:evilsmile:

Actually it's a known Marvel fact that when a telepath appears in a comic he becomes the most powerful telepath in the world in that comic.

So in Fantastic Force their telepath Stacy X is described as the most powerful telepath in the world.... according to that comic.

In X-men Legacy Xavier is described the most powerful telepath in the world...... in that comic.

And in UXM Emma is decribed the most powerful tele in the world in ....that..... comic.

It's pretty funny.

[DeadXMan]

Actually it's a known Marvel fact that when a telepath appears in a comic he becomes the most powerful telepath in the world in that comic.

So in Fantastic Force their telepath Stacy X is described as the most powerful telepath in the world.... according to that comic.

In X-men Legacy Xavier is described the most powerful telepath in the world...... in that comic.

And in UXM Emma is decribed the most powerful tele in the world in ....that..... comic.

It's pretty funny.

yes but in the
MU it goes
Jean, Chuck, Ray, Nate Grey ,Legion , Exidous, Cable, Karma, Emma.

[nikbackm]

Yes, he was beaten to death.

No, he got beat up and was then imprisoned. He died in a shoot-out when he tried to escape in order to warn Firestar.

[worstblogever]

Didn't Emma also have some guy Firestar was close to killed?

Randall Chase, was the name. and nickbackm got his death right, I believe.

[rwsmith]

Wow. Just read this. Say what you will about the issue and Fraction's run in general, but his use of Adam X here was freakin' brilliant! I actually laughed out loud when he was pounding beers and talking about "f@#$ing $#!t up" and getting "f@#$ing extreme!" Good stuff, at least IMO.

[Superbeast]

Wow. Just read this. Say what you will about the issue and Fraction's run in general, but his use of Adam X here was freakin' brilliant! I actually laughed out loud when he was pounding beers and talking about "f@#$ing $#!t up" and getting "f@#$ing extreme!" Good stuff, at least IMO.

Um... not really. As a fan of the character, acting like some obnoxious fratboy is very out of character. Also as someone who was introduced as a stealthy, fast assassin type it doesn't make sense he'd be for a direct attack when he could just tag someone from a distance, give them a minor nick and then electrify the iron in their blood. That's how he took out X-Force first time around. It's obvious he's just being used because Fraction dislikes the character and chose to use him as comic relief rather than build on the character's past appearances.

[Fatguy]

It's obvious he's just being used because Fraction dislikes the character and chose to use him as comic relief rather than build on the character's past appearances.

And its an excellent choice.

[CmX]

I hope Ares smashes Adam X's face in with his axe.

[Anna]

No, he got beat up and was then imprisoned. He died in a shoot-out when he tried to escape in order to warn Firestar.

Randall Chase, was the name. and nickbackm got his death right, I believe.

Poor guy; more people care about the stupid horse.

[coveredinbees]

Poor guy; more people care about the stupid horse.
Randall was in the way. Everything that went wrong is his fault. She should've had him killed sooner.

Jean is a more powerful telepath than Xavier? Karma's a telepath? Where are Tessa and M on that list?

[rwsmith]

Um... not really. As a fan of the character, acting like some obnoxious fratboy is very out of character. Also as someone who was introduced as a stealthy, fast assassin type it doesn't make sense he'd be for a direct attack when he could just tag someone from a distance, give them a minor nick and then electrify the iron in their blood. That's how he took out X-Force first time around. It's obvious he's just being used because Fraction dislikes the character and chose to use him as comic relief rather than build on the character's past appearances.

I thought Fraction chose him because he was so extreme...brah. :tongue:

[Drey]

no. Jean kick her ass twice, Ray pulled her punches trying to attack her vanity and she ambushed chuck in legacy ( Chuck shut her down in DG) Emma Frost is beer league compared to Jean and Chuck.:evilsmile:

Jarrod is right though. Power level isn't everything. When Emma and Rachel fought telepathically, Rachel specifically stated that she didn't understand how she lost because her power levels were off the charts. Emma said that she won because she has much more experience and a stronger will.

I'll give you Jean though. She has bested Emma twice (as Phoenix). The only time I think that Emma really had a chance at winning is during the late 80s when Jean was without telepathy and the early/mid 90s when Jean wasn't claiming the Phoenix. One incident comes to mind is during Uncanny X-men #281/282 when Emma psychically attacks an assassin and she emanates such hostile psi-energies that it hurts Jean.

Emma isn't quite on Charles' or Exodus' level I agree, but she outsmarted them to win. With Charles she used some kind of psychic trap on him when he went into Scott's mind and instilled inhibitors so he couldn't do anything to interrupt their trip down memory lane. With Exodus, she stalemated him for a while on the astral plane, but she used Dust to slowly tear his insides apart in the corporeal world to take him out of play.

Cable is barely a psi right now and I don't know why Karma is on the list. Karma has a specific psionic ability to possess someone. She has recently tried to use her ability on Emma, but couldn't even give her a challenge. Karma is not a traditional telepath. She could possibly excel in psychic possession--something that Xavier once said that he could only do to one person with a great amount of effort, but maybe it had something to do with the brood egg gestating inside him or something.

[Henry T.]

I'll give you Jean though. She has bested Emma twice (as Phoenix). The only time I think that Emma really had a chance at winning is during the late 80s when Jean was without telepathy and the early/mid 90s when Jean wasn't claiming the Phoenix. One incident comes to mind is during Uncanny X-men #281/282 when Emma psychically attacks an assassin and she emanates such hostile psi-energies that it hurts Jean.


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In Uncanny 281, Jean is hurt by the psychic backlash caused by Emma peeling that one girl's mind like a ripe fruit but also remember that a few pages later Jean psi-blasts the Hellions (including Emma) and the X-Men to get their attention and stop them from fighting.

So they hurt each other in that issue and there wasn't a direct confrontation.

[Mencemor]

I dont know if you guys have already discussed this but I dont get how Match is in uniform helping Angel in DA/UXM with the riots and then in 513 at some bar (minors shouldn't be allowed in there) talking trash, then later burning up San Fran. Like whats with the sudden change in heart??

Not gonna lie, I LOVE seeing him be a BA, even if hes a little punk at the same time. Match is awesome. The End haha

[timbox]

I hope Ares smashes Adam X's face in with his axe.

There were several characters in this issue that this statement could apply to.

[Jack Flash]

Um... not really. As a fan of the character, acting like some obnoxious fratboy is very out of character. Also as someone who was introduced as a stealthy, fast assassin type it doesn't make sense he'd be for a direct attack when he could just tag someone from a distance, give them a minor nick and then electrify the iron in their blood. That's how he took out X-Force first time around. It's obvious he's just being used because Fraction dislikes the character and chose to use him as comic relief rather than build on the character's past appearances.

As a fan of the character, I am just happy to seem him portrayed at all. The characterization was off, but he was drinking. I know loads of folks who become asses when they are drinking.

I hope Ares smashes Adam X's face in with his axe.

That's uncalled for.

[timbox]

That's uncalled for.

The dull side of his axe.

[deathsatan]

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Morrison's psychic scenes were so creative and awesome. you never had the vague astral plane stuff going on it was always more direct.

[Drey]

In Uncanny 281, Jean is hurt by the psychic backlash caused by Emma peeling that one girl's mind like a ripe fruit but also remember that a few pages later Jean psi-blasts the Hellions (including Emma) and the X-Men to get their attention and stop them from fighting.

So they hurt each other in that issue and there wasn't a direct confrontation.

Yea I know, but Jean being affected indirectly by Emma's psychic backlash is why I believe that Emma stood a good chance (50/50) of winning a psychic battle against her because they both seemed to be around the same level at that time. They'd both have to rely on their wits to best each other.

Though I do give Emma some credit for at least hurting Jean when she was Phoenix the first time. If I was faced with something like that I'd be curled up on the floor like Armor.

Deathsatan- I agree about Morrison. He is favorite writer when it comes to writing telepathic scenes. He had Jean, Charles, Emma, and the Cuckoos but he always had them using their abilities in different, creative ways so none of them were redundant. After a while you get tired of generic psi-bolts or psi-knives all the time like much of the 90s gave us. With Morrison you never knew what you were gonna get.

I'm glad that some writers have tried to follow in his footsteps, like Mike Carey.

[jarrod]

Morrison/Quitely's silent issue was stunning.

[Superbeast]

And its an excellent choice.

How? Hellion is the arrogant dick, Adam X has never been portrayed as some gung ho fratboy looking to start a fight, if anything he has avoided fights by using his powers to subdue the enemy quickly or just kill them on the spot. Using the character for the sake of using him when the character's actions don't match his past appearances is a waste. Unless Fraction is taking writing tips from Jeph Loeb ("Use what ya want when ya want, Quesada don't care! It's magic!") it's really unfortunate.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Morrison/Quitely's silent issue was stunning.

Claremont/Larocca's was mindnumbing.

[jarrod]

Claremont/Larocca's was mindnumbing.
lol. It's escaping me at the moment, what was it?

[Pixie_Solanas]

lol. It's escaping me at the moment, what was it?

It was X-Treme X-men #8

http://www.gcdcovers.com/graphics/covers/10197/200/10197_2_008.jpg

Just horrid chase scenes with Gambit and some second-rate villainry. Most notable for the high-praise Claremont heaps on the issue in the prologue, patting himself on the back for putting out pure art with his <gasp> speech-less Claremont script.

[jarrod]

It was X-Treme X-men #8

http://www.gcdcovers.com/graphics/covers/10197/200/10197_2_008.jpg

Just horrid chase scenes with Gambit and some second-rate villainry. Most notable for the high-praise Claremont heaps on the issue in the prologue, patting himself on the back for putting out pure art with his <gasp> speech-less Claremont script.
lol. Gawd, pre-Kordey X-Treme is so bad.

[Pixie_Solanas]

lol. Gawd, pre-Kordey X-Treme is so bad.

I bought the set for 5.00 on ebay (no lie) and I still haven't finished reading it all. Christ, the pacing is glacial.

Even that wonder chicken Lifeguard inspired no interest from me.

[Swashbuckler]

I bought the set for 5.00 on ebay (no lie) and I still haven't finished reading it all. Christ, the pacing is glacial.

Even that wonder chicken Lifeguard inspired no interest from me.

Ugh, the silent issue is awful. It's stumped me on the "From the Beginning" thread. I can't do a summary of it, it's all non-sense. Perhaps I should just skip the issue.

[jarrod]

I bought the set for 5.00 on ebay (no lie) and I still haven't finished reading it all. Christ, the pacing is glacial.

Even that wonder chicken Lifeguard inspired no interest from me.
It made for some great moments though. I still giggle when I reminisce on darkness drawing attention to the Spanish firearms calling Storm a p(h)uta in XXM#1. Also, Gambit's revelation that he made out with Psylocke made me go "hmmm". Jean serving cake with her mind was perfect characterization.

Still, Invasion especially went on forever. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Pixie_Solanas]

It made for some great moments though. I still giggle when I reminisce on darkness drawing attention to the Spanish firearms calling Storm a p(h)uta in XXM#1. Also, Gambit's revelation that he made out with Psylocke made me go "hmmm". Jean serving cake with her mind was perfect characterization.

Still, Invasion especially went on forever. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I need to reference the old threads for those. It may make it more palatable. Or in the case of Invasion and the horny old galaxy emperor fucker with the hots for Ororo? Probably not.

Ugh, the silent issue is awful. It's stumped me on the "From the Beginning" thread. I can't do a summary of it, it's all non-sense. Perhaps I should just skip the issue.

It really is just a load of horseshit. I keep it around as a memento of Claremont's highwater-mark for tedium.

[Fatguy]

How? Hellion is the arrogant dick, Adam X has never been portrayed as some gung ho fratboy looking to start a fight, if anything he has avoided fights by using his powers to subdue the enemy quickly or just kill them on the spot. Using the character for the sake of using him when the character's actions don't match his past appearances is a waste. Unless Fraction is taking writing tips from Jeph Loeb ("Use what ya want when ya want, Quesada don't care! It's magic!") it's really unfortunate.

Because, Adam X sucks and nobody cares about him. To bring him back and actually attempt to use him as a real character would have been absolutely ridiculous. But to bring in this character that everybody hates and use him the way he did, the way 99% of us see him, was the only way to make Adam X the X-TREME at all amusing or worthwhile.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Because, Adam X sucks and nobody cares about him. To bring him back and actually attempt to use him as a real character would have been absolutely ridiculous. But to bring in this character that everybody hates and use him the way he did, the way 99% of us see him, was the only way to make Adam X the X-TREME at all amusing or worthwhile.

Ah, mob mentality and shallow judgement! Truly, that's creative writing at it's finest!

[coveredinbees]

Ugh, the silent issue is awful. It's stumped me on the "From the Beginning" thread. I can't do a summary of it, it's all non-sense. Perhaps I should just skip the issue.
I had to read the one here (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/) to even attempt to make heads or tails of it. When I had no idea what was going on, but at least there were no story boxes so I kind of enjoyed it. I still love Larocca's stuff.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I had to read the one here (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/) to even attempt to make heads or tails of it. When I had no idea what was going on, but at least there were no story boxes so I kind of enjoyed it. I still love Larocca's stuff.

I was indifferent on Larocca until that issue. Henceforth, he's in the debit column for me.

[Robbiebob_16]

Morrison/Quitely's silent issue was stunning.
That it was! I love how "Tim Burton" it was; really far out there!:biggrin:

[coveredinbees]

I was indifferent on Larocca until that issue. Henceforth, he's in the debit column for me.
It wasn't until Schism that I really started to like him and then I loved his Polaris on X-Men.

[Jack Flash]

Larocca's work made me feel ill. still does if I think back.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Larocca's work made me feel ill. still does if I think back.
Rogue's X-Treme costume still may be the worst thing i've ever seen an x-character wear. Her Oakley fratboy red shades are the cherry on a shit pie.

[coveredinbees]

Sage looks good in a dress though.
Then again, I never could figure out what that was on the back of Storm's head.

[Superbeast]

Because, Adam X sucks and nobody cares about him. To bring him back and actually attempt to use him as a real character would have been absolutely ridiculous. But to bring in this character that everybody hates and use him the way he did, the way 99% of us see him, was the only way to make Adam X the X-TREME at all amusing or worthwhile.

I don't think he does and I care. So that's two points disarmed. To use him as a real character what be the right thing to do as a professional writer getting paid to deliver a story, not destroy characters for the sake of personal preference. To bring in the character and use him the way he did is simply ignorant and shows that the writer has not done sufficent research before handling the character to ensure characterisation is accurate and consistent with previous appearances. If the only way to provide you entertainment is to use characters for the sake of doing so without paying attention to their previous protrayals, I think the next issue of X-Men should have Cyclops as a crossdressing paedophile, Beast as a small ratlike creature with no brains and Emma Frost as a kind, chaste and moral person with a hippy mentality. After all, it's entertaining, who cares what the characters say or do, right?

[Gene M.]

I don't think he does and I care. So that's two points disarmed. To use him as a real character what be the right thing to do as a professional writer getting paid to deliver a story, not destroy characters for the sake of personal preference. To bring in the character and use him the way he did is simply ignorant and shows that the writer has not done sufficent research before handling the character to ensure characterisation is accurate and consistent with previous appearances. If the only way to provide you entertainment is to use characters for the sake of doing so without paying attention to their previous protrayals, I think the next issue of X-Men should have Cyclops as a crossdressing paedophile, Beast as a small ratlike creature with no brains and Emma Frost as a kind, chaste and moral person with a hippy mentality. After all, it's entertaining, who cares what the characters say or do, right?
No, Fatguy was right. A cameo appearance with two lines of dialogue didn't "destroy" his character. The fact that the last time he came even close to being relevant was when Legacy was still just X-Men and only had thirty some issues out "destroyed" his character. The character sat in limbo for so long that his one defining character arc, the search for his human family and the possibility that he was the third Summers brother, was scrapped to make way for Vulcan. In the end, he's just one more of the countless "dark stranger with a mysterious past" characters from the 90s with a look lifted straight from a Jolt Cola advertisement that no one saw fit to use in their stories until now.

[The Cool Thatguy]

No, Fatguy was right.

What a well-thought out, articulate counter arguement.

[Fatguy]

What a well-thought out, articulate counter arguement.

Gene was right.

[Jack Flash]

What a well-thought out, articulate counter arguement.

it's an opinion. Get over it.

I speak to my fellow Adam X fans. WTF is wrong with ya'll. So what he was portrayed (WHILE DRINKING) as a jerk in a way that he previously hadn't been. He got portrayed. He wasn't dead or depowered or gay (LOL!). He was a drunk jerk. so WHAT. He got portrayed. He's re-established in the MU as a character available for use. quit belly aching and join me in being happy that he's back on the board as someone available for use and further development.

I am rooting for Neuro Tap to join him!

[Prodigy55]

I like Larocca art ;_;

[Slung]

it's an opinion. Get over it.

I speak to my fellow Adam X fans. WTF is wrong with ya'll. So what he was portrayed (WHILE DRINKING) as a jerk in a way that he previously hadn't been. He got portrayed. He wasn't dead or depowered or gay (LOL!). !


We will be watching you for further comments equating "gay" as worse than being a jerk and on equal footing as being "dead" or "depowered"...

We are watching...

Message from your Friendly Forum edit: Homos

[Jack Flash]

I like Larocca art ;_;

LOL! *points and giggles*

[Jack Flash]

We will be watching you for further comments equating "gay" as worse than being a jerk and on equal footing as being "dead" or "depowered"...

We are watching...

Message from your Friendly Forum edit: Homos

please. I am not skeered of you or any other member of the pink mafia. ya'll can suck it.

[Slung]

please. I am not skeered of you or any other member of the pink mafia. ya'll can suck it.

Reported!*

*double entendre may knock some time off your sentence

[Home made ectoplasm]

I think the next issue of X-Men should have Cyclops as a crossdressing paedophile, Beast as a small ratlike creature with no brains and Emma Frost as a kind, chaste and moral person with a hippy mentality. After all, it's entertaining, who cares what the characters say or do, right?

That would be fine.

[Azure]

I think the next issue of X-Men should have Cyclops as a crossdressing paedophile, Beast as a small ratlike creature with no brains and Emma Frost as a kind, chaste and moral person with a hippy mentality. After all, it's entertaining, who cares what the characters say or do, right?

Didn't all this happen in Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men?

[Pixie_Solanas]

Didn't all this happen in Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men?

I read all of two issues of Whedon's run.

[Majinoaw]

Larocca's work made me feel ill. still does if I think back.

I love his work. It has gotten better with time.

[Prodigy55]

I read all of two issues of Whedon's run.

You need to go back and read that shit.

[Majinoaw]

I read all of two issues of Whedon's run.

You miss out on much Torpor. Whedon had a good run on Astonishing. One of the best in recent history.

[bandoogiemanz]

You miss out on much Torpor. Whedon had a good run on Astonishing. One of the best in recent history.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I did not care for Whedon's run. Looking back, I guess it's because I am not really a fan of any of the characters who were focused on in his stories(Colossus, Kitty, Cyke, Emma), or any of the antagonists(Danger, Breakworld). I collected the entire run. Everybody has different tastes, I guess.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I did not care for Whedon's run. Looking back, I guess it's because I am not really a fan of any of the characters who were focused on in his stories(Colossus, Kitty, Cyke, Emma), or any of the antagonists(Danger, Breakworld). I collected the entire run. Everybody has different tastes, I guess.

Breakworld annoyed the living crap out of me. It did NOT crackle with Promethean fire.

[Drey]

I love his work. It has gotten better with time.

I feel the opposite. Larroca (Crimson Dawn Mini/Excalibur #110) and Pacheco (X-men #63) were part of the reason why I started collecting comics. As an aspiring artist myself, they had a big influence on my own art (which I pretty much just imitated) until I found my own style.

I started liking Larroca's art less around the time he started working with Chuck Austen, though it might've been more to do with the stories and the dull watercolor look that was going on then.

By the time New Universal came out, I was put off by the art because I started seeing nothing but celebrities when I looked at the faces. I think he's doing better on Iron Man though. I haven't read an issue since Tony tricked Maria into initiating the code to take away his knowledge (though I still pick up the series) but I thought he was doing a good job, though his Pepper looked kind weird to me at times.

One thing Salva excels at no matter what are landscapes. I love seeing his renditions of mansions/buildings or even splash pages of spaceships and other things that deal with electronics and various machinery.

[coveredinbees]

Woah, I didn't even realize that was him. I agree, his art's looking good, last issue I read.

I liked his Austen stuff, probably because of the poor storytelling. No matter what I still had pretty people to look at, and shamefully that's a really big part of comics for me. It's why I can't seem to finish X-Treme, I think. With Morrison I could take it, but the combined effort of Kordey.and Claremont keeps bringing me down.

[Drey]

Woah, I didn't even realize that was him. I agree, his art's looking good, last issue I read.

I liked his Austen stuff, probably because of the poor storytelling. No matter what I still had pretty people to look at, and shamefully that's a really big part of comics for me. It's why I can't seem to finish X-Treme, I think. With Morrison I could take it, but the combined effort of Kordey.and Claremont keeps bringing me down.

When I think of Kordey, all I can see is his rendition of Jean that looked like a man lol and that picture of Emma sitting in that cheap lawn chair looking kinda manly too. I remember at the time all I could think about was how glad I was that Psylocke was dead and not being drawn by him.

However, I enjoyed his art on Black Widow. I don't think his X-treme work was that bad. His females did at least look female, but I remember him saying that he didn't care for the work that much because the inker changed his style some, IIRC. I liked his Stepford Sage with the long ponytail in the God Loves Man Kills arc.

[Ratstar]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I did not care for Whedon's run. Looking back, I guess it's because I am not really a fan of any of the characters who were focused on in his stories(Colossus, Kitty, Cyke, Emma), or any of the antagonists(Danger, Breakworld). I collected the entire run. Everybody has different tastes, I guess.

I agree, although I like Emma and Scott. Whedon's run just came across as... Very fanfiction. I know all comics are basically fanfiction to an extent, but with Astonishing it just seemed even more so.
It wasn't terrible, in fact it's probably the only decent comic he's been involved with, but the story fell back on too many tropes and the dialogue was mixed.

[Minihorse]

I liked the fact that cyke no longer needed his visor, until later we figure out it's just Emma helping him out.

[Justin K.]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/Dagger1.jpghttp://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/Dagger2.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/38185/820392-dagger__dark_x_men__large.jpg

What happened to that c-shaped marking Dagger usually has around her eye?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/581819-dagger_joe_quesada01.jpg

[Supercoolshay]

The biggest question remains.

Why is hellion wearing a sweater vest?

[pryde15]

The biggest question remains.

Why is hellion wearing a sweater vest?

Maybe he is cold and he doesn't want to nip.

[Sighphi]

it's an opinion. Get over it.

I speak to my fellow Adam X fans. WTF is wrong with ya'll. So what he was portrayed (WHILE DRINKING) as a jerk in a way that he previously hadn't been. He got portrayed. He wasn't dead or depowered or gay (LOL!). He was a drunk jerk. so WHAT. He got portrayed. He's re-established in the MU as a character available for use. quit belly aching and join me in being happy that he's back on the board as someone available for use and further development.

I am rooting for Neuro Tap to join him!

It just seems extremely strange that when an alien gets drunk he starts speaking like Paul Walker in Fast and Furious 2.

[Gene M.]

It just seems extremely strange that when an alien gets drunk he starts speaking like Paul Walker in Fast and Furious 2.
It was a shocking change from his usual Vin Diesel demeanor.

[Supercoolshay]

The biggest question remains.

Why is hellion wearing a sweater vest?


Maybe he is cold and he doesn't want to nip.

That makes sense.