CBR: X-POSITION: Matt Fraction

[CBR News]

The writer of "Uncanny X-Men," Matt Fraction swings by X-POSITION to discuss transdimensional psychic necromancy, the white-hot flames of crisis and truth, and answer your questions! Plus exclusive art!


Full article here (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21827).

[Pixie_Solanas]

The writer of "Uncanny X-Men," Matt Fraction swings by X-POSITION to discuss transdimensional psychic necromancy, the white-hot flames of crisis and truth, and answer your questions! Plus exclusive art!


Full article here (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21827).

OH BOY! oboy oboy oboy!

[Home made ectoplasm]

When a new writer comes aboard a long-running comic book title, they are faced with several challenges. They have to find ways to make the old seem new; they have to bring change, but make things feel the same; and hopefully they are able to find ways for their unique “voice” to shine through pre-established characters and tropes of the title.

Well, if the mail we received for this week’s X-POSITION is any indication, Matt Fraction has succeeded in all these arenas with Marvel's “Uncanny X-Men.”

Loooooooooool

[.LuckyStar.]

To be brutally honest? I saw more value in bringing a character of color into the book than yet another white face.

How racist!

[theXfactor]

Wait... Is that Psylocke's new costume (in the first image)?:frown:

[Pixie_Solanas]

To be brutally honest? I saw more value in bringing a character of color into the book than yet another white face.

Yeah, but Psylocke isn't really a character of color. The character turned into a cheap, infantile way to play off some Asian fetishes. Skintight ass floss and some jiujitsu moves? Whoooo.

She's about as fleshed out as Ahmed the X-Men Forever cop.

[.LuckyStar.]

Wait... Is that Psylocke's new costume (in the first image)?:frown:

Yeah. I think Dazzler is wearing a new costume too!

[Pixie_Solanas]

Yeah. I think Dazzler is wearing a new costume too!

If she's sporting the cowgirl chic, all is forgiven.

[Bronze Badger]

I need Ben to weigh in on this immediately.

Question: Why don't the X-Men have a PR staff and a legal team in place for situations like this? It seems like Trask and Humanity Now! can always outmaneuver the X-Men because they're working within the “non-superheroic” arena of the law. No matter how much one would like, one can't optic blast legislation away. Shouldn't the X-Men be playing this angle and looking into high-powered legal teams as well?


Matt Fraction: I think we're slowly creeping towards that kind of stuff in the periphery. Mayor Sinclair isn't going away and...well, they're gonna need it with where we're going, post XVDA. That said, the two-fisted adventures of a canny PR staff and a break-all-the-rules legal team might not make for the most scintillating comics...I mean, I'd read it, but you know how that goes.

And isn't...like, wasn't Dazzler a lawyer, too, before she was a pop star and a superhero? There's your new Dazzler book: lawyer/glamazon pop idol/X-girl. Throw in a talking animal sidekick and a love triangle with a scrappy paralegal and a strong-chinned but small-hearted has-it-all boss and you've got next year's fan-favorite title.

[Bronze Badger]

Yeah. I think Dazzler is wearing a new costume too!

That looks like Outlaw. Hard to tell though.

[Naira K]

Ah, Dodson's art is beautiful to me.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Mayor Sinclair isn't going away and
.

GROAN!


Throw in a talking animal sidekick and a love triangle with a scrappy paralegal and a strong-chinned but small-hearted has-it-all boss and you've got next year's fan-favorite title.

GROAAAAAAN!!

[Bingo!]

I don't mind Fraction on Uncanny so long as Bland isn't providing copy/paste "talent."

Too bad there isn't much meat in this article.

[.LuckyStar.]

That looks like Outlaw. Hard to tell though.

Not the cowgirl. The one between Psylocke and Domino. I guess. lol

[timbox]

How racist!

I knew you wouldn't let me down.

[ExodusCloak]

Emma separating Daken and Bullseye...heh.

BTW was that scene that he did not explain Emma warping around Lady Masterminds illusions then?

[Pixie_Solanas]

Not the cowgirl. The one between Psylocke and Domino. I guess. lol

They've all got the same face, so it doesn't really matter. Like interchangeable Bratz dolls.

[Come To Deathstrike]

Also what was your thinking behind bringing back Psylocke's original body, only to fry it and put her back in her second one? Nothing against “Asian Psylocke,” I'm just curious…

To be brutally honest? I saw more value in bringing a character of color into the book than yet another white face. When I came in there were a whole lot of dudes and a whole lot of white folk around; I wanted very much to diversify the genders and the colors of the team somewhat without turning the thing into a Benetton ad or the cast of “Voyager” or whatever. I figured, since we were already asking people to buy a story in which a magic, bodiless psychic spirit performed a grand act of transdimensional psychic necromancy, that your suspension of disbelief had either long ago shattered or was impervious to anything I could throw at it...so why not?

Besides, going forward with Psylocke, we'll see that while she might look the same on the outside, inside is a different matter...


. . . . . . . . . .ugh.

[Zombie Uatu]

I have to say Fraction came across much more pleasant in this interview than he usually does. I and a bunch of friends all agree, he's getting there on Uncanny. So long as he doesn't get yoinked too soon we could see a genuinely great run from him eventually.

[creaky]

And isn't...like, wasn't Dazzler a lawyer, too, before she was a pop star and a superhero? There's your new Dazzler book: lawyer/glamazon pop idol/X-girl. Throw in a talking animal sidekick and a love triangle with a scrappy paralegal and a strong-chinned but small-hearted has-it-all boss and you've got next year's fan-favorite title.

Talking animal sidekick = Pixie.

[Bronze Badger]

I have to say Fraction came across much more pleasant in this interview than he usually does. I and a bunch of friends all agree, he's getting there on Uncanny. So long as he doesn't get yoinked too soon we could see a genuinely great run from him eventually.

I need names, current addresses, and social security numbers for these "friends".

[Hooligan]

Beyond that... I just thought it was time we started treating – and writing – characters like Northstar like real people in our comics. There's nothing about who he is that is a frivolous choice; his identity is as predetermined as his hair color. And every other time "it" has come up in the comics of yesteryear, "it" has tended to be handled with as much grace and tact and deftness as an Afterschool Special. It's the twenty-first century. It's time we freed our minds a little bit and treated "them" the same way we want to be treated.

While I appreciate what he's saying... it could have been done more gracefully and tactfully and deftly had he not used "it" and "them" in the way he did. I understand the point he's making, but maybe the first step toward providing equal treatment toward gay characters in comic books is to stop thinking of them as a "them" at all.

[Azure]

Winter Guard!!!

[Green Griffin]

Who else hates Pixie, besides me?

[Bronze Badger]

Talking animal sidekick = Pixie.

Or Beast. Once you go "blue" there's nothing else to do.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I need names, current addresses, and social security numbers for these "friends".

I wish I was there for this coffee klatch of friends getting together to ruminate over Fraction's X-run.

[Bronze Badger]

I wish I was there for this coffee klatch of friends getting together to ruminate over Fraction's X-run.

It's like a retarded episode of "Big Bang Theory".

[Pixie_Solanas]

It's like a retarded episode of "Big Bang Theory".

You mean there are actually NON-retarded episodes of that show?

[Fatguy]

Winter Guard!!!

Ursa Major needs to join X-Force.

[dkostus]

That looks like Outlaw. Hard to tell though.

The one in the cowboy hat is Dani Moonstar...

[Optic Rage!]

Looks like Magneto is going to show up in Utopia.

[Bronze Badger]

You mean there are actually NON-retarded episodes of that show?

Cheap shot. That show is hilarious. Even if they only talk about DC stuff.

[Prodigy55]

That was 98% fluff, 2% vague Dodson art.

[Bronze Badger]

That was 98% fluff, 2% vague Dodson art.

As expected.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Cheap shot. That show is hilarious. Even if they only talk about DC stuff.

"Charles in Charge" was funnier.

[Bronze Badger]

"Charles in Charge" was funnier.

No. >>>>>>>>>>>

[yanapryde]

Dani Moonstar? In the cowboy hat maybe?
And yes...are they all in different uniforms?
I love uniforms. This is exciting!

[peopleofpaper]

I figured, since we were already asking people to buy a story in which a magic, bodiless psychic spirit performed a grand act of transdimensional psychic necromancy, that your suspension of disbelief had either long ago shattered or was impervious to anything I could throw at it...so why not?

why not? ugh what a troll. that storyline made no sense. magic~*

i don't like the way dodson draws asian psylocke. her face is so squished and it looks like she smelled something rotten.

[psycwave]

I need to see Psylocke's new costume in color to fully judge it.
From what I see now though....meh

[Bronze Badger]

i don't like the way dodson draws asian psylocke. her face is so squished and it looks like she smelled something rotten.

Maybe she smelled what the "Frac" is cooking?

[LungerTony]

He still didn't really answer the question about Psylocke's body.
Ok, you prefer azn-Psylocke. Me too.
Why not just...you know leave her asian. Instead of destroying her non-asian body that she wasn't even using. It's a stupid and boring thing to do, which is why that arch sucked hard.

[timbox]

He still didn't really answer the question about Psylocke's body.
Ok, you prefer azn-Psylocke. Me too.
Why not just...you know leave her asian. Instead of destroying her non-asian body that she wasn't even using. It's a stupid and boring thing to do, which is why that arch sucked hard.

I liked Dazzler blowing that white girl's face off.

[KMar]

The one in the cowboy hat is Dani Moonstar...

She looks Asian to me...

[Green Griffin]

What was the point of that last arc? Besides Psylocke Switching to her old body then back to her Asian body. It was like he just hit the restart button at the end of that arc. Because nothing changed. I Forgot but isn't Psylocke Captain Britian's Sister?

[Zombie Uatu]

I wish I was there for this coffee klatch of friends getting together to ruminate over Fraction's X-run.

You know what? Screw you.

I was going to post an at least mildly intelligent retort, comparing Fraction favourably to other creators since the Morrison era, but I really don't see the point. It's one thing to attack someone who attacks you first, or to go after someone who posts something dumb, or unintelligent and negative, about something you like. It's an entirely different matter when you're going after someone for liking something you didn't like, who hasn't even said anything to you personally first. That is the very definition of trolling - you're just trying to spoil somebody else's enjoyment of something.

So screw you. As far as I'm concerned you're both retards, trolls, and idiots.

[LungerTony]

What was the point of that last arc? Besides Psylocke Switching to her old body then back to her Asian body. It was like he just hit the restart button at the end of that arc. Because nothing changed. I Forgot but isn't Psylocke Captain Britian's Sister?

Yeah. She is.

I don't like Fraction on X-Men. I still read this out of curiousity and I still feel the same.

[pryde15]

She looks Asian to me...

Dodson drew Dani very similiar to that.

http://www.reviewbusters.net/images/book/young_x_men_2.jpg

[creaky]

Dodson drew Dani very similiar to that.

http://www.reviewbusters.net/images/book/young_x_men_2.jpg

I am mesmerized by Magma's implants.

[KMar]

What was the point of that last arc? Besides Psylocke Switching to her old body then back to her Asian body. It was like he just hit the restart button at the end of that arc. Because nothing changed. I Forgot but isn't Psylocke Captain Britian's Sister?

Yes, she's his TWIN sister. And yes, the body swap really didn't have any purpose other than to show what the Red queen was trying to accomplish.

[Pixie_Solanas]

You know what? Screw you.

I was going to post an at least mildly intelligent retort, comparing Fraction favourably to other creators since the Morrison era, but I really don't see the point. It's one thing to attack someone who attacks you first, or to go after someone who posts something dumb, or unintelligent and negative, about something you like. It's an entirely different matter when you're going after someone for liking something you didn't like, who hasn't even said anything to you personally first. That is the very definition of trolling - you're just trying to spoil somebody else's enjoyment of something.

So screw you. As far as I'm concerned you're both retards, trolls, and idiots.

But I was going to bring biscuits to the next coffee klatch! :frown:

[KMar]

Dodson drew Dani very similiar to that.

http://www.reviewbusters.net/images/book/young_x_men_2.jpg

Well, I learned something very important today, we really need colour to determine comic book characters from one ethnicity to another.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Mammary-tastic. Swingin' utters, never call them impractical.

Is a sports bra too much to ask for with superheroines?

[Verminous]

You know what? Screw you.

I was going to post an at least mildly intelligent retort, comparing Fraction favourably to other creators since the Morrison era, but I really don't see the point. It's one thing to attack someone who attacks you first, or to go after someone who posts something dumb, or unintelligent and negative, about something you like. It's an entirely different matter when you're going after someone for liking something you didn't like, who hasn't even said anything to you personally first. That is the very definition of trolling - you're just trying to spoil somebody else's enjoyment of something.

So screw you. As far as I'm concerned you're both retards, trolls, and idiots.

Oh please......Haven't you figured out that you have to hate Fraction to be a real member of the X-boards. Some people, aye!

[Fatguy]

You know what? Screw you.

I was going to post an at least mildly intelligent retort, comparing Fraction favourably to other creators since the Morrison era, but I really don't see the point. It's one thing to attack someone who attacks you first, or to go after someone who posts something dumb, or unintelligent and negative, about something you like. It's an entirely different matter when you're going after someone for liking something you didn't like, who hasn't even said anything to you personally first. That is the very definition of trolling - you're just trying to spoil somebody else's enjoyment of something.

So screw you. As far as I'm concerned you're both retards, trolls, and idiots.

lol I think you may be jumping the gun here. Nothing major has happened, just brush it off. It's just playful jabs. You would have done well to just go ahead with the retort. It wouldn't have changed anyone's minds, but if it was good, at least then other 5 non-Fraction haters on this board would join your cause or give support! Freaking out puts you at risk of looking like a nutjob.

[yanapryde]

You say anything positive on this site and you get ostracized.

Its ridiculous.
You show enthusiasm for a storyline or character and you're met with a barrage of posts bashing said storyline or character simply to aggitate the poster.

There's no etiquette.
People are such jerks.

[bebop]

You know what? Screw you.

I was going to post an at least mildly intelligent retort, comparing Fraction favourably to other creators since the Morrison era, but I really don't see the point. It's one thing to attack someone who attacks you first, or to go after someone who posts something dumb, or unintelligent and negative, about something you like. It's an entirely different matter when you're going after someone for liking something you didn't like, who hasn't even said anything to you personally first. That is the very definition of trolling - you're just trying to spoil somebody else's enjoyment of something.

So screw you. As far as I'm concerned you're both retards, trolls, and idiots.


That´s just the thing. If I don´t like it I don´t read it, much less buy it. I don´t understand people who write how much they dislike certain things yet they buy them. Okay, if I hate Fraction that much I should have stopped buying X-Men since issue 501. By now, I´d saved like 30 bucks. Are people really that lonely and in need of attention? I don´t get it.

[darknessatnoon]

Does anyone else need to have a hissy fit, or can we move on? I can return in a few posts.

[yanapryde]

That´s just the thing. If I don´t like it I don´t read it, much less buy it. I don´t understand people who write how much they dislike certain things yet they buy them. Okay, if I hate Fraction that much I should have stopped buying X-Men since issue 501. By now, I´d saved like 30 bucks. Are people really that lonely and in need of attention? I don´t get it.

Cheers bebop. Cheers.:redface:

[ProfeZZor X]

So far so good... I like Fractions chain of thought:

1) Maintain a more ethnically diverse group...

2) Keep it real, and keep in times with the 21st Century...

3) Let characters be who they are, and not worry about offending anyone...

4) Everyone is a winner, no matter how obsure a character they are.

[yanapryde]

Does anyone else need to have a hissy fit, or can we move on? I can return in a few posts.

The level of devastation, should you not return, would be monumental.
I'm certain a large percentage of the board love your posts.

[darknessatnoon]

The level of devastation, should you not return, would be monumental.
I'm certain a large percentage of the board love your posts.

I've got an extra cat scratching post if you have any more 'bad energy' you need to release.

[theXfactor]

Dodson drew Dani very similiar to that.

http://www.reviewbusters.net/images/book/young_x_men_2.jpg

....? As far as I am concerned, Dodson (even though he IS a good artist) draws everyone the same.
I personally think that girl in the preview is the cowgirl that appeared in 198.

[yanapryde]

I've got an extra cat scratching post if you have any more 'bad energy' you need to release.

My very first sincere post to you and of course it gets twisted.
I'll never win.

[cookepuss]

A) I might have to re-read my old "Dazzler" issues, but I thought that her father was a lawyer and not Ali herself. I'm wondering if Fraction is mixing up 616 continuity with that old "What If?" where she actually did pursue her legal career.

B) As far as the cowboy hat gal, while it could be Dani, my first guess was Risque, whose "death" was off panel and left fairly uncertain.

As far as the whole Psylocke thing goes, I was fairly pissed off that Fraction reversed her return to her original body. For one thing, it minimizes her connection to Captain Britain. For another, it was a perfect chance to free her from the years worth of really stupid, cliche Asian ninja mumbo jumbo that Claremont started with his Lady Mandarin story.

BTW, has anybody wondered...

... why Marvel feels the incessant need to keep their character in costume and in code names nearly 24/7? It's stupid. They don't feel like people anymore. They feel like talk action figures.

... why artists feel that Asian Psylocke & Anglo Psylocke naturally have purple hair? I swear. That gal must go through tons of hair dye. :) For once, though, I'd like to see them drop the neon colored hair. I don't even like it on Madame Hydra. Yeah. Yeah. It's a comic book, but really.... Can you imagine Betsy blending in? An asian chick with a British accent, purple hair, and a perpetual wedgie. :p

[Filthy Mutie]

I got really excited when I saw this interview posted, because I knew a thread like this would happen.

[7thangel]

umm, does that mean the x-universe has their quota of visible non-white characters?

because a hell of a lot fell of the face of the MU earth while others can't use their powers or die, or are slowly losing the melanin content, etc, etc.

lets see what kind of diversity the land creations bring to the MU and in particular the x-universe

[Justin K.]

Dodson drew Dani very similiar to that.

http://www.reviewbusters.net/images/book/young_x_men_2.jpg

Her bow is missing a string...

[Peter F.]

Her bow is missing a string...

It's a psychic arrow. It doesn't need a string to be shot.

[RolandJP]

umm, does that mean the x-universe has their quota of visible non-white characters?

because a hell of a lot fell of the face of the MU earth while others can't use their powers or die, or are slowly losing the melanin content, etc, etc.

lets see what kind of diversity the land creations bring to the MU and in particular the x-universe

Might I suggest. Exiles. New Mutants. And X-men forever.

[darknessatnoon]

A) I might have to re-read my old "Dazzler" issues, but I thought that her father was a lawyer and not Ali herself.

She studied pre-law, which means she knows bupkiss about law. But, yes, her father was a judge. If Ali does go back to law school, Sage would make an excellent paralegal.

[yanapryde]

She studied pre-law, which means she knows bupkiss about law. But, yes, her father was a judge. If Ali does go back to law school, Sage would make an excellent paralegal.

HA! awesome. I laughed out loud and my coworker gave me a dirty look. damn.

[Novaya Havoc]

Dazzler is an attorney for the ages. I do not understand Fraction's DazzlePander.

HOWEVER I am loooooling over all of the Psylocke trolling. I need eurazn to weigh in on this.

[yanapryde]

Dazzler is an attorney for the ages. I do not understand Fraction's DazzlePander.

HOWEVER I am loooooling over all of the Psylocke trolling. I need eurazn to weigh in on this.

Can someone explain trolling to me?
I don't really understand the term and what it entails

[darknessatnoon]

Can someone explain trolling to me?
I don't really understand the term and what it entails

It's what you're doing with your signature.

[yanapryde]

It's what you're doing with your signature.

you're my favorite of all.
I love everything you post.

[Justin K.]

It's a psychic arrow. It doesn't need a string to be shot.

Then why does she need the bow in the first place?

[yanapryde]

Then why does she need the bow in the first place?

You speak the truth justinkos91.
Its a placebo? A crutch? <shrugs>

[7thangel]

Might I suggest. Exiles. New Mutants. And X-men forever.
i'm including them in my assessment, roberto's rapid disappearing melanin was one of my points, but team has always been good in that respect.

x-titles are diverse in terms of sex but not so much in anything else visibly and that includes enemy teams.

this is something that people will have varying views on, what 'diversity' means and when is it achieved or whether it should be something pursued. when is it just tokenism? can we use a different term?

i personally don't expect much but i will mention it every now and then

[coveredinbees]

Then why does she need the bow in the first place?
Should she throw it?

[Justin K.]

Should she throw it?

If a string is not needed to shoot the arrow and she could do it psychically
Why would a bow be needed in the first place is what I mean.

[Novaya Havoc]

If a string is not needed to shoot the arrow and she could do it psychically
Why would a bow be needed in the first place is what I mean.

You're getting into lolClaremont territory. Like Tarot's power to make magical BEASTS come out of her tarot cards (why can't she do that, with say, a naked male porn star card deck?).

Or Psylocke and her psychic knife or telekinetic katana.

And I'm sure there are billions of other examples of this.

[darknessatnoon]

Her bow is missing a string...

It's a psychic arrow. It doesn't need a string to be shot.

Then why does she need the bow in the first place?

You speak the truth justinkos91.
Its a placebo? A crutch? <shrugs>

Should she throw it?

If a string is not needed to shoot the arrow and she could do it psychically
Why would a bow be needed in the first place is what I mean.

WHO CARES?

[Fatguy]

Because, a bow looks cooler than her shooting an arrow out of her nostril or something.

[Novaya Havoc]

Because, a bow looks cooler than her shooting an arrow out of her nostril or something.

I dunno. What if she shot them from her vajay?

[Fatguy]

I dunno. What if she shot them from her vajay?

They're arrows, not ping pong balls. It wouldn't be appropriate.

[Akolonus]

Cyke gets all the luck, on that page he's linging them up thinking which to do next:

First Girl/Cyke: "Hey appreciate the fancy dress, but I said cosmic not cowboy.

Domino/Cyke: "Werent you dating my son, I've heard of keeping it in the family, but thats ridiculous!"

Dazzler/Cyke: "Sorry I dont want Beast's sloppy seconds."

Psylocke/Cyke: "Hmm recently dead, resurrected and slight hint of telepath... Follow me into this room."

[coveredinbees]

If a string is not needed to shoot the arrow and she could do it psychically
Why would a bow be needed in the first place is what I mean.
Maybe it helps her aim.

[yanapryde]

Cyke gets all the luck, on that page he's linging them up thinking which to do next:

First Girl/Cyke: "Hey appreciate the fancy dress, but I said cosmic not cowboy.

Domino/Cyke: "Werent you dating my son, I've heard of keeping it in the family, but thats ridiculous!"

Dazzler/Cyke: "Sorry I dont want Beast's sloppy seconds."

Psylocke/Cyke: "Hmm recently dead, resurrected and slight hint of telepath... Follow me into this room."

NICE. very nice. ha ha ha. Another laugh out loud at the office moment.
Boy the explanations for the laughter don't get any easier.

[Dagger]

They've all got the same face, so it doesn't really matter. Like interchangeable Bratz dolls.
They looked more like Mariah Carey after a night of partying. Look at the tits.

[That JonoGuy]

Maybe it helps her aim.

That is what I would think.

[Justin K.]

Because, a bow looks cooler than her shooting an arrow out of her nostril or something.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/AoAMoonstarInfinite.jpg

[Fatguy]

She pulled a bow out off panel.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

The answers weren't as condescending as usual. That's a good start. I liked the prologue so hopefully the main crossover will follow suit.

[DarkBeast]

Fraction: "Beyond that... I just thought it was time we started treating – and writing – characters like Northstar like real people in our comics."

Times Northstar has randomly referred to the fact that Canada has socialized healthcare: 2
Times Northstar has mentioned the lover he left in Canada so he could join the X-Men: 0

This is out of like...maybe ten lines of dialogue that Northstar has had since he joined the team. So if Northstar is really "written like a real person" or whatever...wow. Just, wow. It's not so much that the writing is "bad"; it's that the characters are portrayed as being so shallow that it's almost fascinating to me. Seriously, ONE mention of socialized heathcare from Northstar would have been cool. Almost MORE than cool. But the second one just made it obvious that Fraction was using him as a walking billboard or whatever. And what makes it worse is how it seems like Fraction doesn't quite care about the actual causes his characters promote (because they promote them so vacuously) as much as Fraction cares about SEEMING really progressive and open-minded or whatever. Fraction: "Oh Canada? Hey, they have socialized healthcare up there, right? I think I've heard about that. I think the good people REALLY care about social healthcare, right? So that means Northstar should care and talk a LOT about the factoid that Canada has social healthcare, INFINITELY more so than he would care or talk about the personality-less boyfriend I showed him having that one time."

I honestly appreciate the fact that Fraction is trying to diversify things, but the problem is that he goes about it in such a damn heavy-handed way, and the reader picks up on this stuff from the comics themselves. But then you read his interviews and he flat out confirms that it's even worse than you suspected: "Psylocke? Yeah, she's just there because she's not white, and she's a girl. All those interchangeable 'Sisterhood' villains were there because I think there should be more women in the comics. Even though I have like a dozen female characters in his book already, and even though I don't know how to write women very well, apparently. And Northstar and Karma--you guessed it--they're basically there just because they're gay." Damn it--why doesn't he just try to TELL A GOOD STORY? Y'know, instead of stories that are so amorphous that he doesn't even know what the point or consequences were (e.g., totally vague and meaningless things like what the Red Queen "was", or what or who this current Psylocke actually "is").

Hey Matt, THIS ISN'T REALITY, SO DON'T WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT FULFILLING AFFIRMATIVE ACTION REQUIREMENTS OR WHATEVER!! Other X-writers have easily been able to work wonders with VERY DIVERSE casts, but with Fraction he just falls flat on his face because time and again you notice a character that isn't really being made use of, who isn't written well, and you can't help but thinking "Yup, that character's JUST there because Fraction expects to get another cookie for including another minority." When Morrison was writing New X-Men no one thought to ask whether the female Angel (I liked that character) was just there because she was non-white and a girl--because there was actually something to her character. You may not have LIKED Morrison's Angel, but there's no question that she actually had a personality that was utilized, developed, and tied into the stories Morrison told. Ditto for all of the other ugly "freak" mutants that Morrison actually turned into fairly complex characters. THOSE mutants were the sort of people/characters who REALLY got discriminated against. Fraction's poor oppressed mutants, on the other hand, are all a bunch of rich, buff perfect models who don't have personalities. Wow, how sympathetic. Instead of actual personalities they have check boxes next to their names where Fraction can tick off "gay" or "non-white" or "female" or "fabulous", and he gives himself a cookie every time he can tick off one of those boxes. We all know the Marvel U is supposed to mirror the real world as much as possible, but I seriously think he changed the mayor of San Francisco to a woman because he thought that'd be inherently "better". That's all any minority trait is for Fraction--just another checkbox for him to tick and feel good about himself.

I mean, damn, Karma used to be one of my favorite characters, going back to her early New Mutants days. But the biggest thing Fraction has done with her is put her in that random panel where she's shown sleeping with some random babe/bimbo. Karma used to have, um, personality? Thoughtfulness? We haven't even heard anything about who Karma was sleeping with, and that happened like over six months ago. Is she in love? That would be interesting. But to explore that we'd have to see some character depth and personality, and that's not what this run is about. Instead, it's just like Fraction decided "BAM! Let's just hit the readers with a panel where Karma's in bed with a model/pornstar ('THEY' all look like model/pornstars, you know), and we're not going to hear anything about the meaning behind this or even allude to it ever again. But, oh gee, I hope 'the gays' love me for doing this! hope they can forgive me for being a poor miserable heterosexual white male, which is what they must think I am if I don't go out of my way to suggest otherwise." Is that what he thinks?

Maybe I'm overstating things or being a bit unfair, but there's a weird vibe running through Fraction's X-Men. I don't go on these boards very much anymore, so forgive the length of the above rant. Strangely, I have to admit that Fraction's run really holds my interest, though, more than any X-book has since Whedon left Astonishing. But it holds my interest sort of for all the wrong reasons.

[Fatguy]

Holy crap, thats a lot to read.

[Peter F.]

Holy crap, thats a lot to read.

I think I like him.

[darknessatnoon]

Holy crap, thats a lot to read.

You should read it. He's right.

[XaviersMisprint]

My very first sincere post to you and of course it gets twisted.
I'll never win.

If you have not noticed by now, darknessatnoon is a bit of an attention seeker. If you mention him, respond to him, or acknowledge him, he will try desperately to find a way to cut you down by projecting his own insecurities as a social failure on anyone who enjoys life.

You are not allowed to smile. It takes away from misery. Taking away from misery is like castrating darknessatnoon. How DARE you?

And now it is my turn to be mocked. This time, it will be for bolding words for no reason and for failing at being sarcastic and therefore being deemed unworthy.

[Home made ectoplasm]

I mean, damn, Karma used to be one of my favorite characters, going back to her early New Mutants days. But the biggest thing Fraction has done with her is put her in that random panel where she's shown sleeping with some random babe/bimbo. Karma used to have, um, personality? Thoughtfulness? We haven't even heard anything about who Karma was sleeping with, and that happened like over six months ago. Is she in love? That would be interesting. But to explore that we'd have to see some character depth and personality, and that's not what this run is about. Instead, it's just like Fraction decided "BAM! Let's just hit the readers with a panel where Karma's in bed with a model/pornstar ('THEY' all look like model/pornstars, you know), and we're not going to hear anything about the meaning behind this or even allude to it ever again. But, oh gee, I hope 'the gays' love me for doing this! hope they can forgive me for being a poor miserable heterosexual white male, which is what they must think I am if I don't go out of my way to suggest otherwise." Is that what he thinks?

good point.

Holy crap, thats a lot to read.

yeah, but it was actually worth it, so well done Dark Beast.

[coveredinbees]

Fraction: "Beyond that... I just thought it was time we started treating – and writing – characters like Northstar like real people in our comics."

Maybe I'm overstating things or being a bit unfair, but there's a weird vibe running through Fraction's X-Men. I don't go on these boards very much anymore, so forgive the length of the above rant. Strangely, I have to admit that Fraction's run really holds my interest, though, more than any X-book has since Whedon left Astonishing. But it holds my interest sort of for all the wrong reasons.
You're awesome. I loved every word.

[Home made ectoplasm]

If you have not noticed by now, darknessatnoon is a bit of an attention seeker. If you mention him, respond to him, or acknowledge him, he will try desperately to find a way to cut you down by projecting his own insecurities as a social failure on anyone who enjoys life.

You are not allowed to smile. It takes away from misery. Taking away from misery is like castrating darknessatnoon. How DARE you?

And now it is my turn to be mocked. This time, it will be for bolding words for no reason and for failing at being sarcastic and therefore being deemed unworthy.

Why so butthurt?

[Paul730]

Fraction: "Beyond that... I just thought it was time we started treating – and writing – characters like Northstar like real people in our comics."

Times Northstar has randomly referred to the fact that Canada has socialized healthcare: 2
Times Northstar has mentioned the lover he left in Canada so he could join the X-Men: 0

This is out of like...maybe ten lines of dialogue that Northstar has had since he joined the team. So if Northstar is really "written like a real person" or whatever...wow. Just, wow. It's not so much that the writing is "bad"; it's that the characters are portrayed as being so shallow that it's almost fascinating to me. Seriously, ONE mention of socialized heathcare from Northstar would have been cool. Almost MORE than cool. But the second one just made it obvious that Fraction was using him as a walking billboard or whatever. And what makes it worse is how it seems like Fraction doesn't quite care about the actual causes his characters promote (because they promote them so vacuously) as much as Fraction cares about SEEMING really progressive and open-minded or whatever. Fraction: "Oh Canada? Hey, they have socialized healthcare up there, right? I think I've heard about that. I think the good people REALLY care about social healthcare, right? So that means Northstar should care and talk a LOT about the factoid that Canada has social healthcare, INFINITELY more so than he would care or talk about the personality-less boyfriend I showed him having that one time."

I honestly appreciate the fact that Fraction is trying to diversify things, but the problem is that he goes about it in such a damn heavy-handed way, and the reader picks up on this stuff from the comics themselves. But then you read his interviews and he flat out confirms that it's even worse than you suspected: "Psylocke? Yeah, she's just there because she's not white, and she's a girl. All those interchangeable 'Sisterhood' villains were there because I think there should be more women in the comics. Even though I have like a dozen female characters in his book already, and even though I don't know how to write women very well, apparently. And Northstar and Karma--you guessed it--they're basically there just because they're gay." Damn it--why doesn't he just try to TELL A GOOD STORY? Y'know, instead of stories that are so amorphous that he doesn't even know what the point or consequences were (e.g., totally vague and meaningless things like what the Red Queen "was", or what or who this current Psylocke actually "is").

Hey Matt, THIS ISN'T REALITY, SO DON'T WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT FULFILLING AFFIRMATIVE ACTION REQUIREMENTS OR WHATEVER!! Other X-writers have easily been able to work wonders with VERY DIVERSE casts, but with Fraction he just falls flat on his face because time and again you notice a character that isn't really being made use of, who isn't written well, and you can't help but thinking "Yup, that character's JUST there because Fraction expects to get another cookie for including another minority." When Morrison was writing New X-Men no one thought to ask whether the female Angel (I liked that character) was just there because she was non-white and a girl--because there was actually something to her character. You may not have LIKED Morrison's Angel, but there's no question that she actually had a personality that was utilized, developed, and tied into the stories Morrison told. Ditto for all of the other ugly "freak" mutants that Morrison actually turned into fairly complex characters. THOSE mutants were the sort of people/characters who REALLY got discriminated against. Fraction's poor oppressed mutants, on the other hand, are all a bunch of rich, buff perfect models who don't have personalities. Wow, how sympathetic. Instead of actual personalities they have check boxes next to their names where Fraction can tick off "gay" or "non-white" or "female" or "fabulous", and he gives himself a cookie every time he can tick off one of those boxes. We all know the Marvel U is supposed to mirror the real world as much as possible, but I seriously think he changed the mayor of San Francisco to a woman because he thought that'd be inherently "better". That's all any minority trait is for Fraction--just another checkbox for him to tick and feel good about himself.

I mean, damn, Karma used to be one of my favorite characters, going back to her early New Mutants days. But the biggest thing Fraction has done with her is put her in that random panel where she's shown sleeping with some random babe/bimbo. Karma used to have, um, personality? Thoughtfulness? We haven't even heard anything about who Karma was sleeping with, and that happened like over six months ago. Is she in love? That would be interesting. But to explore that we'd have to see some character depth and personality, and that's not what this run is about. Instead, it's just like Fraction decided "BAM! Let's just hit the readers with a panel where Karma's in bed with a model/pornstar ('THEY' all look like model/pornstars, you know), and we're not going to hear anything about the meaning behind this or even allude to it ever again. But, oh gee, I hope 'the gays' love me for doing this! hope they can forgive me for being a poor miserable heterosexual white male, which is what they must think I am if I don't go out of my way to suggest otherwise." Is that what he thinks?

Maybe I'm overstating things or being a bit unfair, but there's a weird vibe running through Fraction's X-Men. I don't go on these boards very much anymore, so forgive the length of the above rant. Strangely, I have to admit that Fraction's run really holds my interest, though, more than any X-book has since Whedon left Astonishing. But it holds my interest sort of for all the wrong reasons.

Thank you, this totally sums up my feelings about Uncanny. :smile:

[Flâneur]

If you have not noticed by now, darknessatnoon is a bit of an attention seeker. If you mention him, respond to him, or acknowledge him, he will try desperately to find a way to cut you down by projecting his own insecurities as a social failure on anyone who enjoys life.

You are not allowed to smile. It takes away from misery. Taking away from misery is like castrating darknessatnoon. How DARE you?

And now it is my turn to be mocked. This time, it will be for bolding words for no reason and for failing at being sarcastic and therefore being deemed unworthy.
It's nice to know that you understand you're unworthy.

[Fatguy]

You should read it. He's right.

Yea, you're right, it was really good. Well done.

And XaviersMisprint, stop being so pathetic, you're embarrassing yourself.

[Justin K.]

Fraction: "Beyond that... I just thought it was time we started treating – and writing – characters like Northstar like real people in our comics."

Times Northstar has randomly referred to the fact that Canada has socialized healthcare: 2
Times Northstar has mentioned the lover he left in Canada so he could join the X-Men: 0

This is out of like...maybe ten lines of dialogue that Northstar has had since he joined the team. So if Northstar is really "written like a real person" or whatever...wow. Just, wow. It's not so much that the writing is "bad"; it's that the characters are portrayed as being so shallow that it's almost fascinating to me. Seriously, ONE mention of socialized heathcare from Northstar would have been cool. Almost MORE than cool. But the second one just made it obvious that Fraction was using him as a walking billboard or whatever. And what makes it worse is how it seems like Fraction doesn't quite care about the actual causes his characters promote (because they promote them so vacuously) as much as Fraction cares about SEEMING really progressive and open-minded or whatever. Fraction: "Oh Canada? Hey, they have socialized healthcare up there, right? I think I've heard about that. I think the good people REALLY care about social healthcare, right? So that means Northstar should care and talk a LOT about the factoid that Canada has social healthcare, INFINITELY more so than he would care or talk about the personality-less boyfriend I showed him having that one time."

I honestly appreciate the fact that Fraction is trying to diversify things, but the problem is that he goes about it in such a damn heavy-handed way, and the reader picks up on this stuff from the comics themselves. But then you read his interviews and he flat out confirms that it's even worse than you suspected: "Psylocke? Yeah, she's just there because she's not white, and she's a girl. All those interchangeable 'Sisterhood' villains were there because I think there should be more women in the comics. Even though I have like a dozen female characters in his book already, and even though I don't know how to write women very well, apparently. And Northstar and Karma--you guessed it--they're basically there just because they're gay." Damn it--why doesn't he just try to TELL A GOOD STORY? Y'know, instead of stories that are so amorphous that he doesn't even know what the point or consequences were (e.g., totally vague and meaningless things like what the Red Queen "was", or what or who this current Psylocke actually "is").

Hey Matt, THIS ISN'T REALITY, SO DON'T WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT FULFILLING AFFIRMATIVE ACTION REQUIREMENTS OR WHATEVER!! Other X-writers have easily been able to work wonders with VERY DIVERSE casts, but with Fraction he just falls flat on his face because time and again you notice a character that isn't really being made use of, who isn't written well, and you can't help but thinking "Yup, that character's JUST there because Fraction expects to get another cookie for including another minority." When Morrison was writing New X-Men no one thought to ask whether the female Angel (I liked that character) was just there because she was non-white and a girl--because there was actually something to her character. You may not have LIKED Morrison's Angel, but there's no question that she actually had a personality that was utilized, developed, and tied into the stories Morrison told. Ditto for all of the other ugly "freak" mutants that Morrison actually turned into fairly complex characters. THOSE mutants were the sort of people/characters who REALLY got discriminated against. Fraction's poor oppressed mutants, on the other hand, are all a bunch of rich, buff perfect models who don't have personalities. Wow, how sympathetic. Instead of actual personalities they have check boxes next to their names where Fraction can tick off "gay" or "non-white" or "female" or "fabulous", and he gives himself a cookie every time he can tick off one of those boxes. We all know the Marvel U is supposed to mirror the real world as much as possible, but I seriously think he changed the mayor of San Francisco to a woman because he thought that'd be inherently "better". That's all any minority trait is for Fraction--just another checkbox for him to tick and feel good about himself.

I mean, damn, Karma used to be one of my favorite characters, going back to her early New Mutants days. But the biggest thing Fraction has done with her is put her in that random panel where she's shown sleeping with some random babe/bimbo. Karma used to have, um, personality? Thoughtfulness? We haven't even heard anything about who Karma was sleeping with, and that happened like over six months ago. Is she in love? That would be interesting. But to explore that we'd have to see some character depth and personality, and that's not what this run is about. Instead, it's just like Fraction decided "BAM! Let's just hit the readers with a panel where Karma's in bed with a model/pornstar ('THEY' all look like model/pornstars, you know), and we're not going to hear anything about the meaning behind this or even allude to it ever again. But, oh gee, I hope 'the gays' love me for doing this! hope they can forgive me for being a poor miserable heterosexual white male, which is what they must think I am if I don't go out of my way to suggest otherwise." Is that what he thinks?

Maybe I'm overstating things or being a bit unfair, but there's a weird vibe running through Fraction's X-Men. I don't go on these boards very much anymore, so forgive the length of the above rant. Strangely, I have to admit that Fraction's run really holds my interest, though, more than any X-book has since Whedon left Astonishing. But it holds my interest sort of for all the wrong reasons.

This is perfect, so many great points. I really like the mention of Morrison'c characters being more complex, having their own background and the points about the wallpaper characters seen in the book. Well said. Very well said...

[frog]

Dark Beast's post reminds me of one of the very first of Fraction's issues where just about every page had to mention how ecofriendly the X-Men now are. Subtle Fraction is not.

When I read Uncanny now all I hear is Fraction's voice, not the voices of the characters.

[darknessatnoon]

Everything Dark Beast has said, however, I have said before. Except more curtly.

Nevertheless, if Karma wasn't shown having sex, people here would be accusing Fraction of homophobia. Same with Northstar and Black Gurlfriend. I do have to say that I enjoyed the Karma background sex character, but only because she looked like Kitty.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Dark Beast's post reminds me of one of the very first of Fraction's issues where just about every page had to mention how ecofriendly the X-Men now are. Subtle Fraction is not.

When I read Uncanny now all I hear is Fraction's voice, not the voices of the characters.

I agree, which just makes the intro to this article -

When a new writer comes aboard a long-running comic book title, they are faced with several challenges. They have to find ways to make the old seem new; they have to bring change, but make things feel the same; and hopefully they are able to find ways for their unique “voice” to shine through pre-established characters and tropes of the title.

Well, if the mail we received for this week’s X-POSITION is any indication, Matt Fraction has succeeded in all these arenas with Marvel's “Uncanny X-Men.”

so amusing to me

[XaviersMisprint]

Why? I like yanapryde, he's a positive guy. I don't like when people are ridiculed for being pleasant. Why is that alright?

[coveredinbees]

Dark Beast's post reminds me of one of the very first of Fraction's issues where just about every page had to mention how ecofriendly the X-Men now are. Subtle Fraction is not.

When I read Uncanny now all I hear is Fraction's voice, not the voices of the characters.
Luckily I don't know what he sounds like. This must be one of those writing tics they sometiems have.
He's even listed here, but not for Uncanny: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AuthorFilibuster

[Flâneur]

Fraction: "Beyond that... I just thought it was time we started treating – and writing – characters like Northstar like real people in our comics."

Times Northstar has randomly referred to the fact that Canada has socialized healthcare: 2
Times Northstar has mentioned the lover he left in Canada so he could join the X-Men: 0

This is out of like...maybe ten lines of dialogue that Northstar has had since he joined the team. So if Northstar is really "written like a real person" or whatever...wow. Just, wow. It's not so much that the writing is "bad"; it's that the characters are portrayed as being so shallow that it's almost fascinating to me. Seriously, ONE mention of socialized heathcare from Northstar would have been cool. Almost MORE than cool. But the second one just made it obvious that Fraction was using him as a walking billboard or whatever. And what makes it worse is how it seems like Fraction doesn't quite care about the actual causes his characters promote (because they promote them so vacuously) as much as Fraction cares about SEEMING really progressive and open-minded or whatever. Fraction: "Oh Canada? Hey, they have socialized healthcare up there, right? I think I've heard about that. I think the good people REALLY care about social healthcare, right? So that means Northstar should care and talk a LOT about the factoid that Canada has social healthcare, INFINITELY more so than he would care or talk about the personality-less boyfriend I showed him having that one time."

I honestly appreciate the fact that Fraction is trying to diversify things, but the problem is that he goes about it in such a damn heavy-handed way, and the reader picks up on this stuff from the comics themselves. But then you read his interviews and he flat out confirms that it's even worse than you suspected: "Psylocke? Yeah, she's just there because she's not white, and she's a girl. All those interchangeable 'Sisterhood' villains were there because I think there should be more women in the comics. Even though I have like a dozen female characters in his book already, and even though I don't know how to write women very well, apparently. And Northstar and Karma--you guessed it--they're basically there just because they're gay." Damn it--why doesn't he just try to TELL A GOOD STORY? Y'know, instead of stories that are so amorphous that he doesn't even know what the point or consequences were (e.g., totally vague and meaningless things like what the Red Queen "was", or what or who this current Psylocke actually "is").

Hey Matt, THIS ISN'T REALITY, SO DON'T WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT FULFILLING AFFIRMATIVE ACTION REQUIREMENTS OR WHATEVER!! Other X-writers have easily been able to work wonders with VERY DIVERSE casts, but with Fraction he just falls flat on his face because time and again you notice a character that isn't really being made use of, who isn't written well, and you can't help but thinking "Yup, that character's JUST there because Fraction expects to get another cookie for including another minority." When Morrison was writing New X-Men no one thought to ask whether the female Angel (I liked that character) was just there because she was non-white and a girl--because there was actually something to her character. You may not have LIKED Morrison's Angel, but there's no question that she actually had a personality that was utilized, developed, and tied into the stories Morrison told. Ditto for all of the other ugly "freak" mutants that Morrison actually turned into fairly complex characters. THOSE mutants were the sort of people/characters who REALLY got discriminated against. Fraction's poor oppressed mutants, on the other hand, are all a bunch of rich, buff perfect models who don't have personalities. Wow, how sympathetic. Instead of actual personalities they have check boxes next to their names where Fraction can tick off "gay" or "non-white" or "female" or "fabulous", and he gives himself a cookie every time he can tick off one of those boxes. We all know the Marvel U is supposed to mirror the real world as much as possible, but I seriously think he changed the mayor of San Francisco to a woman because he thought that'd be inherently "better". That's all any minority trait is for Fraction--just another checkbox for him to tick and feel good about himself.

I mean, damn, Karma used to be one of my favorite characters, going back to her early New Mutants days. But the biggest thing Fraction has done with her is put her in that random panel where she's shown sleeping with some random babe/bimbo. Karma used to have, um, personality? Thoughtfulness? We haven't even heard anything about who Karma was sleeping with, and that happened like over six months ago. Is she in love? That would be interesting. But to explore that we'd have to see some character depth and personality, and that's not what this run is about. Instead, it's just like Fraction decided "BAM! Let's just hit the readers with a panel where Karma's in bed with a model/pornstar ('THEY' all look like model/pornstars, you know), and we're not going to hear anything about the meaning behind this or even allude to it ever again. But, oh gee, I hope 'the gays' love me for doing this! hope they can forgive me for being a poor miserable heterosexual white male, which is what they must think I am if I don't go out of my way to suggest otherwise." Is that what he thinks?

Maybe I'm overstating things or being a bit unfair, but there's a weird vibe running through Fraction's X-Men. I don't go on these boards very much anymore, so forgive the length of the above rant. Strangely, I have to admit that Fraction's run really holds my interest, though, more than any X-book has since Whedon left Astonishing. But it holds my interest sort of for all the wrong reasons.

You're very right, you know.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Why? I like yanapryde, he's a positive guy. I don't like when people are ridiculed for being pleasant. Why is that alright?

Yanapride seems to like Darknessatnoon too going by their sig?

[Slung]

Does anyone else need to have a hissy fit, or can we move on? I can return in a few posts.

Can someone explain trolling to me?
I don't really understand the term and what it entails

Some quick quotes from an article about "trolls (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Troll)". With this criteria you can identify trolls. NOTE: this forum has "house trolls" - you know ones that are part of the institution and thus we will defend our favorite troll even though we know they are a troll.

A troll, most commonly encountered on the internet, is any person who purposely causes controversy in a web community and disrupts shit for his own amusement...Most trolls believe that they are, in fact, funny. Anyone who does not agree with them is obviously either: overly sensitive, has no life, no sense of humor, or is a combination of two or all of these.

I dunno. What if she shot them from her vajay?

Amazing.

Fraction: "Beyond that... I just thought it was time we started treating – and writing – characters like Northstar like real people in our comics."

Times Northstar has randomly referred to the fact that Canada has socialized healthcare: 2
Times Northstar has mentioned the lover he left in Canada so he could join the X-Men: 0

...But it holds my interest sort of for all the wrong reasons.

You are awesome good sir!

If you have not noticed by now, darknessatnoon is a bit of an attention seeker. If you mention him, respond to him, or acknowledge him, he will try desperately to find a way to cut you down by projecting his own insecurities as a social failure on anyone who enjoys life.

You are not allowed to smile. It takes away from misery. Taking away from misery is like castrating darknessatnoon. How DARE you?

And now it is my turn to be mocked. This time, it will be for bolding words for no reason and for failing at being sarcastic and therefore being deemed unworthy.

And you were!

[XaviersMisprint]

:-* :-* :-* :-*

[eurazn]

I need Ben to weigh in on this immediately.

Question: Why don't the X-Men have a PR staff and a legal team in place for situations like this? It seems like Trask and Humanity Now! can always outmaneuver the X-Men because they're working within the “non-superheroic” arena of the law. No matter how much one would like, one can't optic blast legislation away. Shouldn't the X-Men be playing this angle and looking into high-powered legal teams as well?

Matt Fraction: I think we're slowly creeping towards that kind of stuff in the periphery. Mayor Sinclair isn't going away and...well, they're gonna need it with where we're going, post XVDA. That said, the two-fisted adventures of a canny PR staff and a break-all-the-rules legal team might not make for the most scintillating comics...I mean, I'd read it, but you know how that goes.

And isn't...like, wasn't Dazzler a lawyer, too, before she was a pop star and a superhero? There's your new Dazzler book: lawyer/glamazon pop idol/X-girl. Throw in a talking animal sidekick and a love triangle with a scrappy paralegal and a strong-chinned but small-hearted has-it-all boss and you've got next year's fan-favorite title.

As a deputy Glitterati, I need to put my two cents in. It was a throwaway comment on his part, yet the premise has Dazzler doing 75% more than she's done the past year, it is already more interesting than 85% of the Sisterhood arc, and is more meaningful than 100% of the Nerd Herd story to date.

The one in the cowboy hat is Dani Moonstar...

Dani Moonstar wearing a cowboy hat? LOL if that really is her. Shall the X-Men start wearing sentinel hats next?

Dazzler is an attorney for the ages. I do not understand Fraction's DazzlePander.

HOWEVER I am loooooling over all of the Psylocke trolling. I need eurazn to weigh in on this.

I saw more value in bringing a character of color into the book than yet another white face. When I came in there were a whole lot of dudes and a whole lot of white folk around; I wanted very much to diversify the genders and the colors of the team somewhat without turning the thing into a Benetton ad or the cast of “Voyager” or whatever.

ZOMG, loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolz! As someone of Asian descent, I will say I love Psylocke for the character of Psylocke. However, under no stretch of the imagination do I think of her as an ASIAN character; trying to cite her as an example of a "person of color" when she is an anglo British woman in an Asian woman's body is hilarious, as if the color of her skin is the entirety of the "ethnic experience." We might as well include Paige Guthrie in the lineup while wearing black face (http://www.blog.galleryrevisited.com/uploaded_images/800px-Minstrel_PosterBillyVanWare_edit-773317.jpg) to add some more DIVERSITY as well!

[lockerogue]

I never know what the hell Fraction is talking about.

[Novaya Havoc]

If you have not noticed by now, darknessatnoon is a bit of an attention seeker. If you mention him, respond to him, or acknowledge him, he will try desperately to find a way to cut you down by projecting his own insecurities as a social failure on anyone who enjoys life.

You are not allowed to smile. It takes away from misery. Taking away from misery is like castrating darknessatnoon. How DARE you?

And now it is my turn to be mocked. This time, it will be for bolding words for no reason and for failing at being sarcastic and therefore being deemed unworthy.

lol aren't you like, 12?

[XaviersMisprint]

lol aren't you like, 12?

12 1/2. I will be 13 real soon in 6 months cant wait

[DeniseXfrost]

Dark Emma is growing on me.
you're my favorite of all.
I love everything you post.
You're trolling now.

[Slung]

Dark Emma is growing on me.

You're trolling now.

I don't think you quite have the hang of "trolling" yet. That's not really trolling. Baiting perhaps?

[DeniseXfrost]

I don't think you quite have the hang of "trolling" yet. That's not really trolling. Baiting perhaps?
Stop baiting me.

[XaviersMisprint]

Yanapryde just understands "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" the same way everyone else besides me eventually learns on CBR.

[Verminous]

lol aren't you like, 12?

Shouldn't you be starting another thread about Dazzler right about now. Just to prove your maturity.

[Slung]

Stop baiting me.

You do not have the clout dn@n has to be a house troll.

[DeniseXfrost]

What the hell is a house troll?
Yanapryde just understands "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" the same way everyone else besides me eventually learns on CBR.Are you high?

[LungerTony]

My Gawd.
DarkBeast's post is epic.
As many already recognized, he is so damn right. He named the exact reasons why I recently dropped UXM.

[XaviersMisprint]

Shouldn't you be starting another thread about Dazzler right about now. Just to prove your maturity.

Don't, they'll never stop now! :frown:

[XaviersMisprint]

What the hell is a house troll?
Are you high?

I am uncertain how anything I said indicates in any manner that I am "high"? If we are to debate one's coherence... perhaps explain what point you are trying to get across?

[Slung]

What the hell is a house troll?


A beloved troll who is part of the community and thus is defended for their trolling by the regular posters.

[Anna]

I liked the idea that Fraction's going to be "checking in on folks up and down the spectrum" after the current arc.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

I think y'all should have sexual intercourse

[XaviersMisprint]

I liked the idea that Fraction's going to be "checking in on folks up and down the spectrum" after the current arc.

Hopefully it plays out more than giving Fraptions to every member of the 198.

Leech. Green-skinned. Steals people's thunder.

Lorelei. Mutant hooker. Fabulous hair!

Ursa Major. Cuddly. Russian. Cultural.

[XaviersMisprint]

I think y'all should have sexual intercourse

I agree, but not with each other.

[Til]

I thought Fraction came across well in that interview. And while I still am not, let's say, impressed, with his work on Uncanny, I think it's unfair to try and ascribe views to him as a person. He has his faults as a writer, but from all the interviews I've read/listened to about him, he seems like a nice enough guy.

[AcesX1X]

deniseXfrost has plenty of what she needs.

[Verminous]

A beloved troll who is part of the community and thus is defended for their trolling by the regular posters.

In other words......'part of the x-boards lil' clique'.

[Ogre U AHole]

Tired of reading and trying to catch up before I post.

Scattered thoughts:

Just wanted to chime in as a distinct yet anonymous face in the crowd to say that I don't like Fraction on Uncanny. Just so anybody perusing the threads has slightly less ammo to say it's just the same 10 or 12 people hatin'.

I don't buy it. Haven't since #500. What I do is apparently called "Byrne stealing". I complain because somehow I hope my tiny insignificant voice in the aether snowballs into some kind of mass or majority disaproval that sparks a change that hopefully works out better for me and my tastes than Fraction on Uncanny. I hope others are doing it similarily.

By the way, it's much funner to read the hilarious threads bashing the book and *then* go flip through it to snicker and see that it's all true. Flipping through it first just brings disappointment. Thank you all for helping me cope.

The problem with Fractions "ethnically diverse group", is that's all and exactly what it is. It's not actually a group of characters or anything, just an ethnically diverse group. It's obvious and shoehorned. He's not utilizing Psylocke and Northstar because they're interesting characters. They slot into race and sexuality types. He basically admitted that was his rationale for Psylocke. Too many white dudes. Let's get an azn. Gotta catch 'em all. Look at X-Factor (a book I'm actually upset with at the moment): aside from the white folks, you got a morracan/algerian (what is M exactly?), a hispanic, a mixed puerto rican/african-american, italian, irish, homosexuals. Yet it's not forcing this idea of an "ethnically diverse group". It just is.

[Come To Deathstrike]

Lorelei does has fabulous hair.

[DeniseXfrost]

I am uncertain how anything I said indicates in any manner that I am "high"? If we are to debate one's coherence... perhaps explain what point you are trying to get across?
I am, naturually, always high so there's no need for condescending tone. Whereas, you need to accept your patheticness and stop whinning.

A beloved troll who is part of the community and thus is defended for their trolling by the regular posters.
And what kind of troll are you?

[psycwave]

Lorelei does has fabulous hair.

I wonder if she and Rukus use the same conditioner.

[Ogre U AHole]

It figures, the very page after I get tired of reading, DarkBeast said exactly what I wanted to in a much more eloquent and well-put way.

I'm like the slow-clapper from Not Another Teen Movie.

[Green Griffin]

Dark Beast was right.

I think the main Problem with Uncanny is that there is too many plot threads that go unanswered and the fact that the mutants in it are all written the same. Land art isn't the only thing being copy and paste, it would seem all of the mutants are part of a hive mind.

[XaviersMisprint]

I am, naturually, always high so there's no need for condescending tone. Whereas, you need to accept your patheticness and stop whinning.


And what kind of troll are you?

I shall stop "whinning" when you gain sobriety, BBY FROST.

[Come To Deathstrike]

I wonder if she and Ruckus use the same conditioner.

I think I made a thread about this.
I am going to go and bump it. I don't care

also, don't you love when people write in such a way to whereupon they will soundeth clever and people will fall beneth thine wit like wheat before a scythe.

and shit.

I'm like LOL UR A DIK.

[XaviersMisprint]

I think I made a thread about this.
I am going to go and bump it. I don't care

also, don't you love when people write in such a way to whereupon they will soundeth clever and people will fall beneth thine wit like wheat before a scythe.

and shit.

I'm like LOL UR A DIK.

But we are all doing it tonight and it is entertaining. Somewhat.

[iceman06]

Northstar, Dazzler, Karma, etc. don't do much and don't get any character development, but aren't they just the supporting cast? They may have starred in books in the past (or even in other books like New Mutants right now), but they're not among the small group of characters who actually star in this book. (I'm surprised there have been 4 whole issues without any Wolverine at all.)

Honestly, I'm amazed so many characters get so many lines of dialogue and so much action. I'm just happy to see some of my favorite X-Men and X-characters in the background getting introduced with captions, making comments in character, and staying alive while other favorites are surprisingly being established as true X-Men. I mean the creative team could've just decided not to use anybody but the main cast.

Maybe one day, they'll publish an x-book where all the supporting and background X-Men star in their own stories with Generation X, original X-Force, New Mutants, New X-Men, and old X-Men all develop friendships, rivalries, romances, and working relationships.

[Slung]

I am, naturually, always high so there's no need for condescending tone. Whereas, you need to accept your patheticness and stop whinning.


And what kind of troll are you?

I don't think I've been trolling you at all. I was trying to join you in your discussion of "trollling" and you attacked. You weren't even part of any discussion and I wasn't aware that we were in any kind of battle. So, drop the animosity and we'll be friends again.

[AcesX1X]

slung, you actively troll everytime you post with that offensive tessa avatar.

[XaviersMisprint]

I love Slung's avatar, all trolling aside.

[Novaya Havoc]

Shouldn't you be starting another thread about Dazzler right about now. Just to prove your maturity.

LOL! Wut? Is this what passes as an insult on CBR these days?

Our ancestors would be shamed.

[pryde15]

Everything Dark Beast has said, however, I have said before. Except more curtly.

Nevertheless, if Karma wasn't shown having sex, people here would be accusing Fraction of homophobia. Same with Northstar and Black Gurlfriend. I do have to say that I enjoyed the Karma background sex character, but only because she looked like Kitty.

UGH. Fraction is dead to me.

[psycwave]

UGH. Fraction is dead to me.

It was Luna from the Grindstone though. He kept their relationship in canon.

[pryde15]

It was Luna from the Grindstone though. He kept their relationship in canon.

Luna had blue hair! I am still not satisfied, even though she was totally wearing a wig to play into Xi'an's fantasy.

[7thangel]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/3/36/Trollingbackinthedays.jpg

[KMar]

Tired of reading and trying to catch up before I post.


The problem with Fractions "ethnically diverse group", is that's all and exactly what it is. It's not actually a group of characters or anything, just an ethnically diverse group. It's obvious and shoehorned. He's not utilizing Psylocke and Northstar because they're interesting characters. They slot into race and sexuality types. He basically admitted that was his rationale for Psylocke. Too many white dudes. Let's get an azn. Gotta catch 'em all. Look at X-Factor (a book I'm actually upset with at the moment): aside from the white folks, you got a morracan/algerian (what is M exactly?), a hispanic, a mixed puerto rican/african-american, italian, irish, homosexuals. Yet it's not forcing this idea of an "ethnically diverse group". It just is.

That is a great point! And why are you upset with the book? And the whole Psylocke thing really is ridiculous. I really don't understand how he would find that she would actually represent Asian people. For gods sake SHE'S A BRITISH WOMAN IN AN ASIAN BODY!!!!

[DeniseXfrost]

I don't think I've been trolling you at all. I was trying to join you in your discussion of "trollling" and you attacked. You weren't even part of any discussion and I wasn't aware that we were in any kind of battle. So, drop the animosity and we'll be friends again.
LOL, slung, I don't get you and your Pheonixeggs complex.

[jester1436]

Tired of reading and trying to catch up before I post.

Scattered thoughts:

Just wanted to chime in as a distinct yet anonymous face in the crowd to say that I don't like Fraction on Uncanny. Just so anybody perusing the threads has slightly less ammo to say it's just the same 10 or 12 people hatin'.

I don't buy it. Haven't since #500. What I do is apparently called "Byrne stealing". I complain because somehow I hope my tiny insignificant voice in the aether snowballs into some kind of mass or majority disaproval that sparks a change that hopefully works out better for me and my tastes than Fraction on Uncanny. I hope others are doing it similarily.

By the way, it's much funner to read the hilarious threads bashing the book and *then* go flip through it to snicker and see that it's all true. Flipping through it first just brings disappointment. Thank you all for helping me cope.

The problem with Fractions "ethnically diverse group", is that's all and exactly what it is. It's not actually a group of characters or anything, just an ethnically diverse group. It's obvious and shoehorned. He's not utilizing Psylocke and Northstar because they're interesting characters. They slot into race and sexuality types. He basically admitted that was his rationale for Psylocke. Too many white dudes. Let's get an azn. Gotta catch 'em all. Look at X-Factor (a book I'm actually upset with at the moment): aside from the white folks, you got a morracan/algerian (what is M exactly?), a hispanic, a mixed puerto rican/african-american, italian, irish, homosexuals. Yet it's not forcing this idea of an "ethnically diverse group". It just is.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2q0m3rm.gif

[Bronze Badger]

LOL, slung, I don't get you and your Pheonixeggs complex.

I am more concerned with Phoenix Menopause.

[Slung]

LOL, slung, I don't get you and your Pheonixeggs complex.

Well, I don't get you and your forced attempts at frosty bitchiness, so I guess we will just have to agree to not completely understand each other. *KISS*

[Slung]

slung, you actively troll everytime you post with that offensive tessa avatar.

Novaya picked it out for me! How dare you slur his impeccable taste!

[ReturnOfTheComeback]

Can't the X-franchise find anybody better than Matt Fraction to be their head writer? Seriously , even Chuck Austen himself was more inspiring and less insulting than this guy. The quality of Uncanny Xmen now for me is so bad that it's just bad . Period. No wonder why the few American kids that are still reading comic books, now prefer manga like say Naruto ( which currently is light-years in entertainment value above and beyond any superhero title from either Marvel or DC ) to their own native comics...

[Hi-Fi]

Looks like we'll be getting Greg Land's Rogue soon!

[Green Griffin]

Looks like we'll be getting Greg Land's Rogue soon!

You mean Emma Frost or any other female Character only with a white high light in her hair? How does that guy find work?

[Disco Jess Minge]

A) I might have to re-read my old "Dazzler" issues, but I thought that her father was a lawyer and not Ali herself. I'm wondering if Fraction is mixing up 616 continuity with that old "What If?" where she actually did pursue her legal career.


I thought I've read every Dazzler appearance and I've never read this comic or seen in discussed in the Dazzler appreciation thread. I know that someone in an old issue wrote in and asked for a What If story with that plot but we got that lame-o Dazzler as a herald of Galactus story instead which sounds good in concept but the execution was really lacking.

However, Dazzler does have a pre-law degree and she needs to go to law school to finish up and pass the bar exam. Which I am sure she can do since she graduated magnum cum laude or whatever it is.

[eurazn]

I thought I've read every Dazzler appearance and I've never read this comic or seen in discussed in the Dazzler appreciation thread. I know that someone in an old issue wrote in and asked for a What If story with that plot but we got that lame-o Dazzler as a herald of Galactus story instead which sounds good in concept but the execution was really lacking.

What If #34 (August 1982) - "What if Dazzler Had Decided to Become A Lawyer?" by Joe Albelo and Al Milgrom. It's a bit ... hammy ... but still in good fun :tongue:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/earthdazzlerlaw1.jpg

[Bolebeau]

What If #34 (August 1982) - "What if Dazzler Had Decided to Become A Lawyer?" by Joe Albelo and Al Milgrom. It's a bit ... hammy ... but still in good fun :tongue:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/earthdazzlerlaw1.jpg

lolwut?

That's... hilariously dumb. It's... well, it's kind of like Ally McBeal, actually. xD

Edit: now I want an Ally McBeal type comic starring Dazzler, She-Hulk and Matt Murdock. Since you're responsible for it you'd better make it happen, eurazn.

[Daniel Mengsk]

It's a psychic arrow. It doesn't need a string to be shot.

Do Dani still have her valkyrie ability, the one where she can see when people are going to die, I mean?

[Daniel Mengsk]

EDIT: Double post.

[MichaelChen]

If the gloves doesn't fiiiit you must aquiiiiite

[Daniel Mengsk]

If the gloves doesn't fiiiit you must aquiiiiite

ROFL.

That was so funny, so very, very funny!

[Leirus]

What If #34 (August 1982) - "What if Dazzler Had Decided to Become A Lawyer?" by Joe Albelo and Al Milgrom. It's a bit ... hammy ... but still in good fun :tongue:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/earthdazzlerlaw1.jpg

Lolol !! I can hear her singing that in my mind, now...

[Peter F.]

Do Dani still have her valkyrie ability, the one where she can see when people are going to die, I mean?

Who knows?

I mean really her powerset changes more often than the Wasp changes costumes.

I think Zeb Wells is currently playing up the completely powerless angle with her though.

[Azure]

CBR didn't ask my questions about The Darkstar Wars :frown:

[peopleofpaper]

hahaha oh man that dazzler picture gives me joy

[Daniel Mengsk]

Who knows?

I mean really her powerset changes more often than the Wasp changes costumes.

I think Zeb Wells is currently playing up the completely powerless angle with her though.

So she is still powerless from M-Day? Between Dani and Betsy, there have been some powerset changes that could fill up an entire Marvel Handbook section. And now Betsy is going through a new (or reverting back to an old) powerchange.

[Bolebeau]

hahaha oh man that dazzler picture gives me joy

That avatar is perfect. ♥♥♥

[Disco Jess Minge]

hahaha oh man that dazzler picture gives me joy

Your avatar!!! ♥♥♥

[peopleofpaper]

♪Thank you, Bolebeau & Disco Jess Minge. She gives me renewed faith in the justice system♪

[ZeoVGM]

Ignoring some of the questionable taste of some people on CBR with their absolutely insane dislike of Fraction on Uncanny, I'd just like to point out how good his run has been so far. If the rest of it stays at the quality this past week's one-and-done issue and the Utopia one-shot, it'll end up being a great run. It's good to see outside of CBR, people really enjoy the run.

I don't know why that was important for me to say, but it was. Maybe because Prop. 8 is actual honest-to-god hate legislation that's keeping real, live, and loving people apart and we're a little piece of comic book entertainment? I don't know. I'm struck by the coincidence, but it's not meant to be a straightforward one-to-one allegory.

Haha. Fraction is great.

[infernohara]

I knew it!!

I was wondering why Northstar wasn't flying anymore and finally got confimation that he is a grounded speedster. Why o Why did this happen? Flying speedsters can get places a lot quicker, but I guess Northstar forgot he can fly.


So Psylocke isn't actually psylocke in that body.........Big Surprise. So now shes either sharing a body with Red Queen (because psylocke has a powerful enough body to contain her) or Revanche's in there because you know, the Psylocke fans are probably immune to any extra damage he can do to her. Or maybe she has a trigger like she used to that can make her evil on a whim.

That cowgirl is most likely outlaw. As continuity wrong as that may be (since in deadpool she has a bob cut), I guess she can go to the mansion since Deadpool totally trashed her apartment---which also leads to how Deadpool has an IN to get into the X-mansion as he and outlaw are Best friendz.

[Azure]

I knew it!!

I was wondering why Northstar wasn't flying anymore and finally got confimation that he is a grounded speedster. Why o Why did this happen? Flying speedsters can get places a lot quicker, but I guess Northstar forgot he can fly.

I don't think Matt Fraction was saying that Northstar can't fly. Planes have a groundspeed, after all. He was just saying that Northstar is a fast character, and the X-Men could use one of those now that Surge is busy being injected and sliced with razors.

I really like how enthusiastic Fraction is about the X-Men. He genuinely seems to love the franchise, which is nice. Not sure about the idea of Magneto Vs Xavier, though - unless both of them die, of course, which'd be great.

[infernohara]

I don't think Matt Fraction was saying that Northstar can't fly. Planes have a groundspeed, after all. He was just saying that Northstar is a fast character, and the X-Men could use one of those now that Surge is busy being injected and sliced with razors.

I really like how enthusiastic Fraction is about the X-Men. He genuinely seems to love the franchise, which is nice. Not sure about the idea of Magneto Vs Xavier, though - unless both of them die, of course, which'd be great.

Northstar hasn't flown since he joined. He has been regulated to ground speedster (actually said by fraction) ala' quicksilver. I have no problem with it, but I have wondered why he never ever flies when thats something he likes to do.

[Daniel Mengsk]

So Psylocke isn't actually psylocke in that body.........Big Surprise. So now shes either sharing a body with Red Queen (because psylocke has a powerful enough body to contain her)...

Shhhh infernohara, not so loud, don't you know how many Marvel Editors goes through this threads to pick up new ideas? lol

...or Revanche's in there because you know, the Psylocke fans are probably immune to any extra damage he can do to her...

No. Sadly....we are nowhere near immune to things like that.

Or maybe she has a trigger like she used to that can make her evil on a whim.

That would be a terrible thing to do! And it would also be a reminiscent of Claremonts own past stories.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Because, a bow looks cooler than her shooting an arrow out of her nostril or something.

Highly disagree with this, fatguy.

[Pixie_Solanas]

What If #34 (August 1982) - "What if Dazzler Had Decided to Become A Lawyer?" by Joe Albelo and Al Milgrom. It's a bit ... hammy ... but still in good fun :tongue:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/earthdazzlerlaw1.jpg

Did she just give the jury a crotch-shot?

[FeminineMystique]

Did she just give the jury a crotch-shot?

I think their too distracted by the lawyer BURSTING INTO SONG to defend her client to notice.

Dazzler apparently thinks she's in The Producers:biggrin:

[AcesX1X]

didn't he flit around spiral like some hyperactive fairy/insect in the sisterhood arc?

[Daniel Mengsk]

I think their too distracted by the lawyer BURSTING INTO SONG to defend her client to notice.



Yeah well, wait until she does her "Sharon Stone" impersonation, they will forget all about the song, i can promise you that! lol

[Seccruz]

Yeah well, wait until she does her "Sharon Stone" impersonation, they will forget all about the song, i can promise you that! lol

LOL!!! Just imagining it: "Dazzler pulls a Sharon stone": Do the right thing find my client not guilty!

The Jury: YES MISTRESS!!!!!

[Anna]

LOL!!! Just imagining it: "Dazzler pulls a Sharon stone": Do the right thing find my client not guilty!

The Jury: YES MISTRESS!!!!!

It could work if she needs to convince Cyclops of something. :tongue:

[Ryan W]

Why do I feel like I always get promises of awesome from Fraction in these interviews, but that the delivery is sort of . . . lacking?

[XaviersMisprint]

I really wish people wouldn't keep saying Fraction should be off the book. Okay, so he is off to a rough start. The first year could have been better, I agree. But even Claremont had a rough start. His heat didn't pick up much until the Phoenix stuff began. Fraction clearly has a bigger story he is trying to tell and I am afraid that if Marvel gets him off of the book, there will be so many dangling plot threads and I don't want anyone ELSE trying to finish another writer's story. And what if the next writer is worse? Give him time. Another year maybe. LAND needs to go IMMEDIATELY. Part of Fraction's problem is the art makes it seem like he himself is a poor storyteller, when really it has a LOT to do with the art.

[timbox]

I really wish people wouldn't keep saying Land should be off the book. Okay, so he is off to a rough start. The first year could have been better, I agree.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I really wish people wouldn't keep saying Land should be off the book. Okay, so he is off to a rough start. The first year could have been better, I agree.

priceless, timmy. 100% agreemnt, too.

[Novaya Havoc]

Greg Land is the greatest artist currently employed by Marvel Comics.

[Waterlily]

Did she just give the jury a crotch-shot?

It would explain why the men seem so excited and the prude lady juror looks appalled.

[Azure]

I really wish people wouldn't keep saying Land should be off the book. Okay, so he is off to a rough start. The first year could have been better, I agree.

Hush down, timmy.